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Speaker 1: Welcome to the land of windmills, waffles and wheel to

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Speaker 1: wheel warfare, because the Cathedral of speed well and truly

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Speaker 1: delivered in Acden for around eleven of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five Motor GP World Championship, Mark Marquez is marching towards

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Speaker 1: the title like a man on a mission. But it's

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Speaker 1: a prillier stealing the headlines for two very different reasons.

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Speaker 1: As always, this episode of Pittalk is proudly brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Shannon's Insurance. I'm your host, Ronita vmullen, and

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Speaker 1: joining me is the man who is as reliable as

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Speaker 1: a Dutch bike and equationally just as squeaky, the one

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Speaker 1: and only mister Matt Clayton. Matt had to get a

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Speaker 1: few little dutchisms in there, but we have to start

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Speaker 1: this podcast by talking about Joge Martin and a prillier,

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Speaker 1: because once again Jai Martin's in the headlines and not

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Speaker 1: for racing on track. No.

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Speaker 2: I did get a little distracted with waffles halfway through

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Speaker 2: the intro there because I thought, oh, I haven't had

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Speaker 2: one of those for while. Let it go quite nicely,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, isn't it funny? We're what ten rounds into

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Speaker 2: Motor GP season and Jorge Martin has done thirteen racing

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Speaker 2: laps in a Grand Prix and here we are leading

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Speaker 2: a podcast talking about him again and it's for the

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Speaker 2: same story that won't go away, but for a completely

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Speaker 2: different reason, because things escalated over the course of the

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Speaker 2: as and weekend. And before I go too deep on this,

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Speaker 2: just seemed like the story just kept escalating and escalating

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Speaker 2: on the inside for that, because you were privy to

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Speaker 2: all of these conversations that were going on behind the scenes,

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Speaker 2: and it just felt like it really ramped up from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So obviously on track, you know, we had a

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Speaker 1: lot of crashes this weekend and which we'll dive into

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Speaker 1: with track temperature and everything. But sitting in the media

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Speaker 1: popped up on social media from Jogeey, Martin's manager saying,

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Speaker 1: how you know, we're looking at other options for next year.

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Speaker 1: Next minute, all the journalists are running around to each

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Speaker 1: other when the writers are in for media scrums, you know,

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Speaker 1: Then we have Albeldo Puge from Honda because there was

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Speaker 1: a mention of possibility of Honda coming into Joge Martin's sphere.

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Speaker 1: Next minute, everything's going on from there. And then as

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Speaker 1: it's starting to really escalate, really escalate, I'm hearing talks

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Speaker 1: from Matt Burjack Appleyard, these guys saying about you know

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Speaker 1: The drama that happened off track in aison was just

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Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, Matt, My biggest takeaway

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Speaker 1: I think for him, he's having to put his trust

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Speaker 1: right thing. For those who have been in following Retogipi

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Speaker 1: We know Jgey Martin doesn't have a good relationship with

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Speaker 1: him so well portrayed. We know he suffered with those

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Speaker 1: But now it's starting to get to that next point

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Speaker 2: And you can look at it and go, well, yes,

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Speaker 2: We're not going to allow this for him to compete

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Speaker 2: for a manufacturer when there's not been an appropriate severance

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Speaker 2: the back of that, Masama Rivella from a Prillier got

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Speaker 2: I find it bizarre to think that Martin's attempted to

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Speaker 2: did on the weekend, given the physical juriss that he

429
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Speaker 2: was under, and he knew he wasn't the fastest rider,

430
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Speaker 2: and this has not been a Mark track in the past,

431
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Speaker 2: hugely hugely impressive. And you couple that with the misfortune

432
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Speaker 2: for his brother and the Grand Prix, and all of

433
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Speaker 2: a sudden we're looking at a sixty eight point championship lead.

434
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Speaker 2: But to my mind, that's kind of what it feels

435
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Speaker 2: like in terms of what the margin should be between

436
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Speaker 2: him and whoever it is that's coming second, because he's

437
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Speaker 2: been that much better than everybody in this first half

438
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Speaker 2: of the season. I reckon you.

439
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Speaker 1: Mentioned then knowing this is not a Mark track. I

440
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Speaker 1: don't know about you, Matt, but for me going into

441
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Speaker 1: this weekend, always the hype around Usen is Ppeco Brannyaya

442
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: like he has it tattooed on him. We know he

443
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Speaker 1: loves this place. But then you're going, also, Mark wasn't

444
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Speaker 1: the fastestless weekend. No, who was a lot faster than

445
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Speaker 1: him in Saturday's sprint. His brother, Alex Marquez. And there's

446
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Speaker 1: all this talk that's happening now. I'm sure you've heard

447
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 1: it and listeners. I don't know if you're reading the

448
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 1: articles and what that's coming out, but people that are saying, oh,

449
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: Alex isn't challenging Mark because it's his brother. Now, I

450
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Speaker 1: feel like if I know anything about races, having grown

451
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Speaker 1: up with one a lot, YEP, they're gonna challenge each other.

452
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Speaker 1: But I think for me, I think Mark just has

453
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Speaker 1: that little edge over Alex. And we've said this before.

454
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Speaker 1: You know, Alex is like a diesel truck and Mark's

455
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: like a supercar. There's just that little differences in them.

456
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Speaker 1: I think Alex is trying to challenge Mark as much

457
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Speaker 1: as he can, and he's pushing him in the way

458
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Speaker 1: that he can. But it's Mark Marquez. He's gonna find

459
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Speaker 1: those little one percenters that you don't even know exist,

460
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Speaker 1: and that's how I think he's getting the better of him.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit different when you say he's not

462
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Speaker 2: challenging his brother. The content needs to be he's maybe

463
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Speaker 2: not challenging his brother the way you would like, Oh,

464
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Speaker 2: by the way, who just happens to be one of

465
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Speaker 2: the best writers in the history of the World Championship.

466
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Speaker 2: It's not just any old sibling that you're challenging here.

467
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Speaker 2: But you know, it was interesting about this because this

468
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Speaker 2: sort of came up at Magello quite a bit, because

469
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Speaker 2: obviously they were run one two in the sprint there

470
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Speaker 2: and in the Grand Prix, and Peco actually had an

471
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Speaker 2: interesting comment about this where he said, well, you know,

472
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Speaker 2: it's kind of natural to a degree, because maybe I

473
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Speaker 2: race the academy guys a little bit differently than i'd

474
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Speaker 2: raise some of the other guys, because you know, for

475
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Speaker 2: all intents and purposes, Morbidelli and Buzeki and Luca Marini

476
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Speaker 2: they're kind of brothers in inverted commas because they hang

477
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Speaker 2: out so much. It's kind of natural to a degree.

478
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Speaker 2: But I always look at the role reversal in this,

479
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Speaker 2: and we'll probably see this at some point this year.

480
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Speaker 2: You look at all these times the Marquez brothers have

481
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Speaker 2: finished one and two, and it's been Mark first and

482
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Speaker 2: Alex second, with the exception of the sprint at Silveston,

483
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Speaker 2: where we know Alex is really good at Silveston, a

484
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Speaker 2: lot of right handed courters. Not a great Mark track,

485
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Speaker 2: I guess, But I do wonder if you're going to

486
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Speaker 2: have a situation where you're going to have a fair

487
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Speaker 2: fight between the two of them on a track where

488
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Speaker 2: Mark feels pretty comfortable and Mark's coming second in that race.

489
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Speaker 2: I don't think there's going to be any questions as

490
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Speaker 2: to how hard Mark will race Alex, because I think

491
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Speaker 2: Mark will race everybody very, very hard, because that's how

492
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Speaker 2: Mark races so super interesting in that regard, I think

493
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Speaker 2: the disappointing part for Alex over the course of the

494
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: ass and weekend he's been he's actually really pleasantly surprised

495
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Speaker 2: me this year because like he's in his sixth Motor

496
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Speaker 2: GP season. You would think after five years, there's enough

497
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Speaker 2: of a body of work, we go, all right, this

498
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: guy's pretty quick. He has certain circuits that he's good at.

499
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Speaker 2: He'll get one or two podiums a year, and he's

500
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Speaker 2: probably going to finish somewhere between sixth and tenth and

501
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Speaker 2: the World Championship. And that's who this guy is. And

502
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: he's one Motor three and Motor two on the way through,

503
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Speaker 2: And if he had a different surname, we'd probably think

504
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Speaker 2: of him a bit differently. But I've always felt that

505
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Speaker 2: the Alex Marquez sort of story was kind of written.

506
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Speaker 2: It's really unusual for a guy who's twenty nine years

507
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Speaker 2: old to completely change the perception of how good you

508
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Speaker 2: think he's been. He has been really, really good this year. Yes,

509
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Speaker 2: he's got a really good bike, but he's achieved a

510
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Speaker 2: level of consistency that I didn't think that he had

511
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Speaker 2: in him to have this championship deficit balloon through an

512
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Speaker 2: accident that I don't know about you. I thought he

513
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: was very lucky to only get away with the injury

514
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: that he did, because that thing went so fast and

515
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: he basically fell on his face. He was lucky to

516
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: escape with a broken finger that looked bad in the moment,

517
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: and you know, so he's lucky to escape with that,

518
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: and it's you know, he'll try and come back and

519
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: do Germany, although given how good Mark is in Germany,

520
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: he probably should take that one off and stay home,

521
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Speaker 2: to be honest. But it's just a shame that this

522
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Speaker 2: amazing run of consistency was brought to an end through

523
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Speaker 2: something that was like a fifty to fifty you know,

524
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Speaker 2: just Unfortunately two riders into one place didn't really work out.

525
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Speaker 2: It's a shame that that amazing run that that was

526
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Speaker 2: sort of brought down by something like that, as opposed

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Speaker 2: to him genuinely making an error.

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Speaker 1: So my question to you is do you think he

529
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Speaker 1: is well and truly out of the title fight. I'm

530
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Speaker 1: saying that in inverted commas because of we can see

531
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Speaker 1: unless something happens again to Mark, I feel like he's

532
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Speaker 1: going to run away with this title. Whether you're a

533
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Speaker 1: Mark Fannier or not, you have to admit it. But

534
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Speaker 1: out of the title fight, are we going to start

535
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: to see if Peco Bna can get his little issues

536
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: fixed because he's still on about these issues and the

537
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: feeling and whatnot. With this injury for Alex, do you

538
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Speaker 1: think he's now out of it and Peco's going to

539
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Speaker 1: eventually jump back up to second.

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Speaker 2: I'm not actually sure that Alex was even in it

541
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Speaker 2: at any point. Mathematically he was in it. It was made

542
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: to look a lot closer with Mark than it was

543
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: because Mark had thrown away win at Kota, and he

544
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: crashed early at Harath and he'd given away some points there.

545
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: We've said this a few times the only person that

546
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 2: can beat Mark for the championship is Mark. I think

547
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Speaker 2: the more likely fight you're going to see as the

548
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Speaker 2: season progresses from here is the gap between Alex Marquez

549
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: and Bagnoay, it's probably going to narrow, and I know

550
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: there's still quite a big deficit there. But if I

551
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: had to put money on who was going to finish

552
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: second in the World Championship this year, I think it's

553
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: going to be Pecko just finishing second in the World Championship.

554
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 2: But as far as first goes, I just think Mark's

555
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: in a position now the points actually reflect the level

556
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: of dominance now where I don't reckon they did before.

557
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Speaker 2: He's been so unbelievable. Mean, he's won nine hour of

558
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: ten sprints. You know that in itself is crazy. I

559
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: think I worked it out the other day. Is one

560
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: ninety seven percent of the points you could actually win

561
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 2: in sprints like that. It's pretty hard to beat someone when

562
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Speaker 2: they're doing something like that. And like you said, like

563
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: him or dislike him, you have to admire the way

564
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 2: he has gone about this sort of late career chance

565
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: to rewrite his story because it's been so long and

566
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: you know it's you think about, yes, he's won those

567
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: six world titles. It's six years ago since he won

568
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Speaker 2: a world title. Six years you know, in anyone's life

569
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: is a long time in the life of a motorcycle rate,

570
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: so that's almost a career for a lot of guys.

571
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Speaker 2: So to see him doing this at this age and

572
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Speaker 2: given what he's gone through, it's massively, massively impressive. It's

573
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Speaker 2: made me rethink how I feel about Banyaia in that

574
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: I think Peco, in the right situation, with the right

575
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: bike and everything the way he wants it, is an

576
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: incredibly good motor GP rider. But maybe this is exposed

577
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: him for not being maybe as sort of versatile or

578
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: improvisation or of the other really good guys. And I

579
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: made the analogy. I think I made it. I think

580
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: I made it on this podcast. I've definitely written it.

581
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: If Mark is this generation's Casey Stoner, then Peko is

582
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: this generation Sauhala Nzo in that if everything's absolutely right

583
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: at the right time. To my mind, Pecko can be

584
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: absolutely unbeatable, as Jorge was when you'd have those weekends

585
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: where he'd qualify on pole and need you'd forget he

586
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: was in the race until they showed him crossing the

587
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: finishing line six seconds ahead of everybody. He would demoralize

588
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: everybody when everything was right. But we remember Casey. Casey

589
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: took a Jucati that no one could even ride to

590
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: a world championship in two thousand and seven, and he

591
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: was the master at just ragging bikes around and getting

592
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: wins where you know, guy's on the equivalent machinery probably couldn't.

593
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: And that's the analogy.

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Speaker 1: To me.

595
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Speaker 2: It's almost like we've seen this story before, but we've

596
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: just got two different people coming at it from different

597
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: angles this time.

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Speaker 1: It actually reminded me of a quote Peco Banyaya said

599
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: of when I think he won his first title with

600
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: Chikadi and he goes, yeah, I won the title, but

601
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: Mark Marquez isn't like chasing me. If Mark Marquez was

602
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: on the same bike, and I'm fully butchering this this quote,

603
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: but if Mark Marquez was on the same bike and

604
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: then I won the title, then I'd be much happier. Yeah,

605
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of seeing that now. Well.

606
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you are able to be

607
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: That's why I think, in retrospect I massively rate what

608
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: Andre de Vizioso did against Mark for many years, because

609
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: there were some of those years where Mark was on

610
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: the Hounter that was the best bike, and there were

611
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: some years where it wasn't. But the fact that Davizioso,

612
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: who we never really thought of being someone who was

613
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: a real title contender until late Inny's career, he went

614
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: toe to toe with Mark for a number of years

615
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: and it was super close, and it was super tense,

616
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: and he didn't back out of fights, and he beat

617
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: him in the last battles quite a lot. And I

618
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: think Davizioso reached a level that at the time was impressive,

619
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: but I think you look back at it now, it's like, man,

620
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: that guy had a really really good career up against

621
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Speaker 2: a force of nature like Mark is. And you know,

622
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: in terms of Pecky think this is not the final

623
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: sort of story or destination for Pecko. I still think that,

624
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, writers can still grow. We're seeing that with

625
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: some of these older guys now they keep adding things.

626
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: But I don't know, even in his worst nightmares, that

627
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: he would have expected to have had Mark come into

628
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: his team and do to him what he has done

629
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: to him over the first half of this season. And yes,

630
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: we know that Acaddy has a major advantage, but I

631
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: think reputationally, what banit does for these last what are

632
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: we looking at now? Twelve rounds is going to be

633
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: pretty significant, not just for this year but twenty six.

634
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: I sort of see twenty five and twenty six being

635
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: like one gigantic season with a Christmas break in the

636
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: middle of it, because there's not a hell of a

637
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: lot of change technically going on year on year. I

638
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: think Pecko can start his twenty twenty six season sort

639
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: of now, and he can really put some building blocks

640
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: in place to try and make twenty twenty six the

641
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: fight that we hoped that twenty five would be.

642
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Speaker 1: It's funny that you said that when you're just talking

643
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: about how thinking for the future. I went into a

644
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: Prilliers garage over the weekend. A darter guy used to

645
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: work with my brother now works for a Prillier. So

646
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: I went in there and he actually was meant to

647
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: work with Wallhe Martin this year. It now works with

648
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Savagori, and I was asking, Okay, so Lorenzo's kind

649
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: of now a full time Moroto GP writer, which wasn't

650
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: expecting this year. I said, what does his weekends look

651
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: like because he is still a test writer and he goes,

652
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: you know what, he is still testing all the time.

653
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: He's coming into these race weekends just testing. The cool

654
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: thing is what they're doing. And this was this was

655
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon that I went in there, right before the sprint.

656
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, this morning, Lorenzo was trying these new

657
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: side winglets and he really liked them. Now we're going

658
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: to put them on Marco's bike and let's see how

659
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: he goes this afternoon. What does he do? Goes and

660
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: gets on the podium, right, So I think that is

661
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: constantly you're constantly trying to approve improve Sorry, maybe this

662
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: is where Aprilia is starting to benefit from it because

663
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: they are testing all weekend. It's not like they've got

664
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: two factory riders in there who are having to go

665
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: out straight away. They've got Lorenzo there who can test

666
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: parts and grew. Yeah, this is working out this track.

667
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: Chuck that on hopefully try and get some point in

668
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: a podium place.

669
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, as like the ultimate test laboratory. If you

670
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: want to find out if something really works, take it

671
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: out in Q one and write it as hard as

672
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: you possibly can, or put yourself in a sprint on

673
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: a Saturday or do a twenty six lap Grand Prix

674
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: on a Sunday. In some respects, as much as I'm

675
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: sure this is not what Savadori signed up for it,

676
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: I hope he's been compensated for it. Give it all

677
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: the extra work that he's doing. It might have accelerated

678
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: their improvement a little bit because you've got a guy

679
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: who's very technically adept, trying things in the heat of

680
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: a race weekend, and we know he's not out there

681
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: to finish top tens and try and get podiums and

682
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: what have you. But what he brings to the project

683
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: and sort of kicks it up the line to Bizeki

684
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: and you know, you look at what I mean. Ralph

685
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: Anders has had a couple of really strong Grand Prix

686
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: in a row, which is not something you've ever heard

687
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: me say on this podcast. But he's been really good

688
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: the last couple of weekends at Magello and at Assen,

689
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: so that a Priori a project as a whole seems

690
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: to be growing and it's impressive. And yeah, you'd have

691
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: to say internally, I'm sure Savadori's impact on this is

692
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: being recognized, but it comes back to where we started

693
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: this podcast. I would just love to see a fully

694
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: fit and fully motivated Jorge Martin on a pretty good

695
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: aprillia that's improving, because that would just give us something

696
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: something different, something something different that we haven't seen this

697
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: year at the front of some of these Grand Prix

698
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: where it does become can anyone split the de Catties

699
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: in the answers? Usually no. I would have loved to

700
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: have seen Martin on that, but I guess we'll just

701
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: have to wait for Honda to get good. Huh.

702
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: I love that you just said something different there, and

703
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: I thought that's the best segue I can go into

704
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: the next part of something different. That wasn't on my

705
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five bingo card for Moto GP was the

706
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: fact of Pedro Acosta Alex Marquez collidning. We know Alex

707
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: crashing out, we understand that. But was the fact of

708
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: Pedro Acosta getting rushed to hospital directly after the races

709
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: he got sung by a bee and turns out his

710
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: highly allergic to beastings. MM.

711
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna slightly correct you here. I'm going to

712
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: slightly correct you on your insects. I heard it was

713
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: a wasp, these wasps. I don't know what they call

714
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 2: him in Holland, who knows, but regardless, that thing hurts.

715
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: And you think of the way these riders are so

716
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: covered up with all of the safety equipment. There's always

717
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: I find it bizarre, there's always that little gap between

718
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: the top of the leather suit and the bottom of

719
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: the helmet. And I remember, God, where was I think

720
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: it might have been Malaysia. I had to crush Low

721
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: many years ago, and he actually stopped and because this

722
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: thing was just stinging him every time he turned into

723
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Speaker 2: a corner, and he actually stopped and unzipped the suit,

724
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: and you saw this thing just fly out. And as

725
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: someone who is allergic to that sort of thing myself,

726
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: when I heard what had happened to a Costra on

727
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: the weekend, imagine riding one of these things around in

728
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: the heat of battle of a Grand Prix and getting

729
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: stung by something you're allergic to. He did better than me.

730
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have got to the checker flag. I'd be

731
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: out of there, quite frankly. But that was horrible. But

732
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: you had the bizarre situation on Sunday where I'm sure

733
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: all the media we're talking about this in the press room.

734
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: Everyone wanted to talk to Alex Marquez to find out

735
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: what had happened in the incident with a Costa. He

736
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: was off to Madrid to get his finger fixed after

737
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: eating me had broken that finger, and then a Costa

738
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 2: was off in the hospital getting shot up with antihistamines

739
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: because he was allergic to wasps. So no one actually

740
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: got to speak to the two protagonists in this accident.

741
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: That's kind of changed the shape at the front of

742
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: the World Chairbyship. So I guess we'll have to wait

743
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: till Saxon rigged to hear from both of them.

744
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: It's funny that that happened. Everyone's talking about it because

745
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: I actually saw Jake Dixon before Magello and they were

746
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: testing Momoto too in Catalogna directly after where were we

747
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: before Aragon? And so he goes look at my back

748
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: and there's just Weltz, like what happened? Same thing. A

749
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: beer or a mosc or whatever got down his leather

750
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: suit as well, and I don't know, you guys can

751
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: see it at home when you're watching, like these suits

752
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: are tight, they've got inners on underneath, like there's not

753
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: much in there. So you know how pesky. There's all

754
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: insects be somehow they're making their way into riders suits

755
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: as well, which is not what you want when you're

756
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: out on track doing god knows what speed. But the

757
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: other news, let's talk about Fabera Cordorraro also taking pole,

758
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: which I saw a Marco Bezzeki celebrating, going, yeah, give

759
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: it to the jew caddies. We don't want to know

760
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: the jew caddi pole. So but then hearing what Jack

761
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: was saying post race and looking at Fabio Fabruao, he's

762
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: mastering this one lap random pulling something out of a hat.

763
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: But then the Yamahas are just struggling still.

764
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's two things with the Yamaha. It doesn't

765
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: get off the line fantastically and it struggles to pass

766
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: other bikes still. So you know, unless you're on a

767
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: circuit where you can get a half decent getaway and

768
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: block for the best part of a lap, which you

769
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: definitely can't do it acc't. His Q two laps are

770
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: almost the most fun thing in motor GP right now,

771
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: because you know he's so far over the limit. You

772
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: look at where all the other other Yamahas are. But

773
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: then you're almost not surprised anymore what he pulls one

774
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: of these out, because if it was anyone else, you'd say,

775
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: that's remarkable, what an absolutely ridiculous lap. And when he

776
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: does it, we will just look at each other and say, well,

777
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: that's just Fabio Couaturero, because to my mind he is

778
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: the second best rider in Murder GP. We just don't

779
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: get to see it because of what he's actually riding.

780
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: But it's a good one lap qualifying bike in the

781
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: right hands, but it still can't race, and that's the

782
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: issue with that bike at the moment. It was pretty telling.

783
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: I thought that Miguel Olivera was out early in the

784
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: Grand Prix because he had some accident damage from the

785
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: first lap. But the Amahas basically Quaturo fell out of

786
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: the top ten and then they just ran around in line.

787
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: At the back end of the top ten, they're all

788
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: together and they could sort of scrap with each other.

789
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: They couldn't pas anybody else, and they just ran around

790
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: and finished a sort of sad tenth, twelve and thirteen

791
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: or whatever it was. In the end they were kind

792
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: of nowhere. So it was a bit of a track

793
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: that exposed the race pace and overtaking problems that they have,

794
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: but in as a one lap bike in Quataurero's hands,

795
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: it's pretty electrifying. The only sad part about it for me,

796
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: I got to say when they were trunkling around at

797
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: the back into the top ten and so we didn't

798
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: get too many TV shots at that awesome livery that

799
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: they ran at essence, because that thing was absolutely beautiful.

800
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: We just had to rely on still photos or social

801
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: media to look at it.

802
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: Oh Honestly, that was one thing I was going to

803
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: bring up next. I'm glad you did. Is you know

804
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: we saw the livery that a lot of the Italian

805
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: teams had in Michello and it's like, okay, I see

806
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: the thought like especially do Caddie with the renaissance and

807
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: all that. Then you see the retro, the retro Yamahas

808
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: and everyone was just going, no one does it like

809
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: Yamaha with that retro white and red the color scheme. Oh.

810
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: I got to go and see the bike up close,

811
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: and I took some quick social video for Fox Motorsport

812
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: on their socials and seeing it in person. Then when

813
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: you see the boys come out in their leather suits

814
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: and even Fabio had like the old school, like early

815
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: two thousand sunnies, like they were really trying to throw

816
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: it back. This weekend it was Yamaha do it well

817
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: with their retro liveries. I'm thinking back Silverstone last year

818
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: at the Yeah.

819
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: That's exactly I was about to say, Yeah, they've got

820
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: the history, They've got a successful history. There's something about

821
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: just the purity of that white livery like these some

822
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: of these liveries are so cluttered and convoluted these days.

823
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: Some of the ones in Italy by the Italian teams

824
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: were honestly like nice idea, but there was the execution thing,

825
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: and you've got Picko Mark playing chess and I don't

826
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: know there was I don't know what was going on.

827
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: It was a bit of a mess, quite frankly. And

828
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: the VR forty six ones looked like someone had just

829
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: tipped a bunch of paint cans over and rolled the

830
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: bikes in it. They were pretty revolting. But yeah, the

831
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: classy classic Yamaha livery. If if only it was as

832
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: fast as it as it looks good But anyway, beautiful

833
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: livery just not very fast.

834
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: At assen No, they're trying to make headlines elsewhere at

835
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: the moment, which I think is good on them. They're trying.

836
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: But Jack is also now off to Japan for the

837
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: Suzuka eight Hour that is coming up soon. I know

838
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: all your listeners if you're interested, that that is going

839
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: to be on Fox Sports and KO. So I'll keep

840
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: you up today with all the news that comes from

841
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: the Suzuka eight Hours. Now. I mentioned earlier this weekend

842
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: the amount of crashes at Assen and how was that

843
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: crash in Moto three. I think it was for a start,

844
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: I got run over in the end or how he

845
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: walked away from that. If you haven't seen it, I

846
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: highly recommend going watching it because Okay, we don't want

847
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: to promote crashes, but this this was like Jack Miller

848
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: Malaysia last year style crash.

849
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, major and anytime, I mean Moto three, you could

850
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: throw a blanket over the top ten most races, at

851
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: most tracks. There's something about that last sequence, the last

852
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: sector at Acid and that chicane, the GT chicane at

853
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: the end of the lap. It's just a magnet for

854
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 2: things happening like this. And the thing that was I

855
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: was surprised about was they eventually red flag that race,

856
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: but not until the field was almost in the chicade

857
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: on the last lap. Like that was a little bit

858
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: on that questionable side. But I think Luca Lenetto, if

859
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: I remember rightly, is broken a tibia, so he's going

860
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: to clearly be out for a while. But that was

861
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: a nasty, nasty accident. But Moto three and Assen it's

862
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 2: almost to be expected.

863
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: I think, well, that's the thing. I did a track

864
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: walk with Snags our Aussie and Moto two just to

865
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: take me through a lap of acid because this circuit

866
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: is so interesting in the fact that it's old school.

867
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of on and off camber, which he

868
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: called one of the corners like NASCAR now, it's not

869
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: quite on the same lean angle, but he goes it

870
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: feels like it. So if you're wondering why this track

871
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: is like that and often provides some of the best racing,

872
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: it's because of the track layout and how it is

873
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: and now it's it's definitely changed a lot over the years.

874
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: But if you're interested in that track walk that is

875
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel, you can head to YouTube dot

876
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: com slash Fox Sports Australia and you'll be able to

877
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: find that but yeah, let's look about the Moto III

878
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: results for our Aussie's. We know that Jack Miller on Sunday,

879
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: he was p. Fourteen in the end, so not the

880
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: results that he was after. But like I said, Jack's

881
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: on his way to Suzuka anyway for the Suzuka eight Hours,

882
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: which is an endurance race, totally different style of racing.

883
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: But in Moto two we had Diego Morrera take his

884
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: is a first win, so that's like the first Brazilian

885
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: I think, to take a Moto two win in Emma

886
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: in the history. Soa ag is not the top ten

887
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: performance for Center. Now we caught up with him as well, Matt,

888
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: You've written an article that's gonna come out by the

889
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: time this is ed on Center and where he's going.

890
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on the Aussie youngster this year. It

891
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: seems like he's made a big jump from his rookie

892
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: year now in his second year.

893
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I mean he's already scored more points this

894
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: season than he scored the whole of his rookie season,

895
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: which we're not even at the halfway point. So that's

896
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: impressive enough in itself, and obviously the headliner of that

897
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: is the mad last couple of quarters at Silverston that

898
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: I think you were at a stairwell had missed, but

899
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: Obvio certainly at the TV back here. But he's he's

900
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: maturing pretty quickly, and a lot of the sort of

901
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: standard rookie things, inconsistency and you know, not being able

902
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: to put together entire weekends. He's so much better than

903
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: that now. I think the key thing for me, I

904
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: was crunching some numbers before. He's only had one race

905
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: this season where he has a scored points, so he's

906
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: always there and for him to be sixth in the

907
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: championship at the moment looking he's obviously got the world

908
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: championship leader as his teammate. This is Mado Gonzalez's fourth

909
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: year in Moto two, so he's got double the experience,

910
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: and that team's clearly got a good bike and they're

911
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: operating well. But I think as that team has got

912
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: better in the bike has got better, Senn has risen

913
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: with that. I think that's a really good sign. If

914
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: you look at the potential of what he's got underneath him,

915
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: he's living up to that potential. He's doing really really well.

916
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of optimism as to I

917
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: don't think he's anywhere near as good as he's going

918
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: to be. I think that's the interesting part for the

919
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: Australian fans in that, Yeah, there's a lot of promise there,

920
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: but it feels like his Sea leagu's quite high. So yeah,

921
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: having a really really solid season. And yes, when I

922
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 2: get round to finishing this story, everyone else could actually

923
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: read it as well.

924
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: And let's go to our Aussies in Moto through. We've

925
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: got Joel Kelso who crossed the line in p nine

926
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: and Jacob Rilestone in at twelfth as well. So I

927
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: didn't get much of a chance to catch up with

928
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: Joel this weekend. But if you haven't watched that Moto

929
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: three race, I highly recommend it purely just because it's

930
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: normally we see that big group of Moto three writers

931
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: like that top ten, top fifteen, but for whatever reason, Asen,

932
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: it just gives the whole pack together the whole entire time,

933
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: and it's just like a little swarm of bees. What

934
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: is it with bees?

935
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: As we can But yeah, I know it's funny, isn't it,

936
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: Like Moto three at Asen, like they're all in the

937
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: same TV shot in the last five laps, which is

938
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: completely insane when you think of the field spread, like

939
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 2: they're basically all in the same frame on the TV.

940
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: But it's funny, isn't it. Like as chaotic and as

941
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: mad cap as those Moto three races are, and then

942
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: the same guy ends up winning most of them in

943
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 2: Jose Antonio Rueda, who's just putting together this awesome season

944
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: of winning races. When you look at it and think, oh,

945
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: he's seventh, he might be in a bit of trouble here.

946
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: He just works this way through. There's a bit of

947
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: a David Alonzo going on there with him this year,

948
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: isn't there? There?

949
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: Definitely is. I think we're going to see a lot

950
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: from Rueida in the future. But another writer who I

951
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: hope that we get to see a bit more of

952
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: in the future is our Aussie Carter Thompson, who Matt

953
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: you wrote an article about on Fox sports dot com

954
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: or a four slash Motorsport, And I caught up with

955
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: him in Migello because we haven't caught up since Michello

956
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 1: either as well. And let's talk about Carter real quick.

957
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: So if those who haven't heard Carter, I think you

958
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: should definitely keep an eye on him because the o

959
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: a youngster competing in at the Red Bull Rookies Cup,

960
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: but at the same time he's doing the World Supersport

961
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: three hundred. So this kid's riding in two different championships

962
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: on two different, completely different bikes, and he's a race

963
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: winner in both, which I think is just phenomenal for

964
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: this young teenager who just seems to be When I

965
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: spoke to him, he's just happy, friendly, just just loving it.

966
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: And talking to the head of the Red Bull Rookies

967
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: there he goes, Oh, Carter is just making waves this year.

968
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: He's really getting that consistency and putting his way through.

969
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: But what's your thoughts on Carter so far this year, Matt.

970
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: I think there's the word to use with him is uncomplicated,

971
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: and that's that's that's actually a really high I think

972
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: you mentioned that he's riding two really different vibes in

973
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: two really different series. Obviously, the goal is to get

974
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 2: into the World Championship, and we've seen that Redbel Rookies

975
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: is this pathway to get into Moto three and then

976
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: we go from there. But you know, it's a pretty

977
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: full plate that he's got with these different different bikes

978
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: in different parts.

979
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: Of the world.

980
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: Every single weekend he's doing something different, but he's very

981
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: sort of matter of fact and methodical about it, and

982
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: there's like a maturity to him that you have to remember,

983
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: you're listening to a seventeen year old, You're not listening

984
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: to a twenty three year old. So maybe that just

985
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: comes from being so far away from home and out

986
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 2: of your comfort zone and all those sorts of things.

987
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: But he's just really well put together. He know what

988
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: he wants. He's very uncomplicated about everything, and you'd have

989
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: to say, I mean, look, Red Bull rookies can be

990
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: rebel rookies, makes Moto three look tame sometimes because those

991
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: races are absolutely mental half the time. No better place

992
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: to showcase what you've got than under the nose of

993
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: the World Championship. Paddick as a support race category at

994
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: some of these weekends in Europe, So you've got to say,

995
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: given how far he's come from and what it is

996
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: that he's riding, and you would have got a sense

997
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: of this when you spoke to him, just a sense

998
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: of sort of calm about the way that he does it,

999
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: which I think is super impressive.

1000
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: Yes, what I mean, he seems really put together. Yeah,

1001
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: but he is an ozzie teenager at the same time,

1002
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: which is so cool to see. His mum was there

1003
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: as well. She's traveling with him. Dad's back home and

1004
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: I was working, you know, to help support his racing career,

1005
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: and it's cool to see you forget you know, you

1006
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: see Jack, and you see Senna and these guys who

1007
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: are in the World Championship and they're on the big screen.

1008
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: Then you see Carter and what his family are doing.

1009
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: And Red Bull Rookies O. We definitely don't give it

1010
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: enough talk because there's obviously so much always happening in

1011
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: the Moto GP paddock. But if you guys haven't watched

1012
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: a Red Bull Rookies race, you can watch it. It's

1013
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: on KO I believe it's on Fox Sports as well,

1014
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: so do check it out and keep your eye on

1015
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: Carter Thompson because I think he's going to be our

1016
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: next Moto three, hopefully race winner and world champion in

1017
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: the future. But Matt, I think that pretty much wraps

1018
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: up our big catch up from post Magello and obviously

1019
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: the as in Grand Prix, we have a little weekend

1020
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: off where we have the Silverstone f one or your

1021
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: four wheel fans. You have more racing, then we will

1022
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: be back with the Saxon Ring. And I am just

1023
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: going to call it now the King of the Ring.

1024
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: Mark Marquez is for sure going to return to Saxon Ring.

1025
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: Right as soon as you said Saxon Ring, I just

1026
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: started leaning left because I think I'm just going to

1027
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: be turning left and more left and more left. For

1028
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: what is it, ten out of the thirteen corners turn left.

1029
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: It is a really ridiculous racetrack for Motor GP and

1030
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm glad there's not more than one of them, but

1031
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: as an outlier in a twenty two round season, I

1032
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: do quite enjoy it because it's something very very different.

1033
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: But something's very very different will be anyone other than

1034
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 2: Mark Marquez winning there because a track that's got undulation

1035
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: and turns left a lot that's almost like He's absolute Nirvana,

1036
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: isn't it?

1037
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: Mark Marquez is a form of Heaven, I guess. But guys,

1038
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: you can catch all the Motor GP action and if

1039
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: you want to watch Formula One you can do so

1040
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports and KO. This podcast, as always, is

1041
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: brought to you by Shannon's Insurance and I know we've

1042
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: mentioned a lot of Matt's articles. If you want to

1043
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: read those, they are on foxsports dot com dot au, Forward,

1044
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: Slash Motorsport, and you can keep up to date with

1045
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: all the latest on our socials as well at Fox

1046
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: Motorsport on all the platforms. I've taken you guys behind

1047
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: the scenes as much as I can during this European adventure.

1048
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: But Matt, thank you so much for chatting with me

1049
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: about MotoGP and guys, we're going to be back real

1050
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: soon with more Moto GP pit talk.