1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: The easter opener takes shape as Brisbane juggles its stocks 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: and Collingwood searches for replacements for it's injured captain. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: The Crows lose key defender Jordan Butts to concussion as 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: Matthew Nick sweats on some reinforcements to face Fremantle and. 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 3: Footing it with a greater cause. 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: Carlton and North Melbourne joined forces with the Royal Children's 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Hospital ahead of Good Fridays SuperClash. 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 4: I see the ad flies today. Can you help me 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 4: on on three sixty one? 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: Are aware of that conversation? Yeah? 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 5: I don't live under it rock. 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 6: The reality is now, the gloves are off course fair 13 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 6: and love. 14 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 7: More at night. 15 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 3: Job is pretty clear, like Hawthorne when it would be very. 16 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 4: Good at Hide and Seek. 17 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: Me sure, I think, okaylo follow, I. 18 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 4: Can't have that. I what do you want us to play? Worse? 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 4: When you caught my eye. 20 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: And mustang that all right? 21 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 8: It's just that's the Corteous Prize. 22 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 7: First look at it, she said, there's a dent in 23 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 7: that car, look it, sure enough there is. 24 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 3: Have you got all the booking sorted for Adelaide? 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 8: Yes? 26 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: Indeed, our favorite restaurant over there Jured is just being 27 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: awarded the sixteenth best steakhouse in Australia. 28 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: In the world, in the world the Michelin Stars. 29 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: And let get into our goodness. We will now that 30 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: we mentioned. 31 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: Them, all right, Adelaide is very much on our minds. 32 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 3: A week away. 33 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: We have Andrew Brayshaw joining our team tonight, Harry Schuesel 34 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: here at the Best. There's a long list for rach Hamberlain. 35 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: Have given all that's going on with the rules and 36 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: then we hand over to midweek tackle with Lauren Wood. 37 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: But this night next week we will have gathered will 38 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: be in Adelaide with plenty of you at the Oval. 39 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: It'll be the last year of the four year deal 40 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: that was put in place to fully established gather round 41 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: and today the AFL and the South Australian Government meant 42 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: to thrash out what the future might look like. 43 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 8: I'd really like to get done as soon as possible 44 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 8: because I think there's so much interest in it. But 45 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 8: is a it's a complicated negotiation. There's lots of people 46 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 8: that we need to consult with, particularly our clubs in 47 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 8: our players. But we're having really constructive discussions with the government. 48 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 9: You know, he's got a responsibility to footy. In the AFL, 49 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 9: I've got a responsibility to the state government. But we 50 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 9: have been able to find a lot of alignment between 51 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 9: the two, which means everybody wins and I think we can. 52 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: Do that again. 53 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 9: But we put on the table officially a number of 54 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 9: other ideas that we've got around gather around to make 55 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 9: sure it's a concept that continues to grow and remains fresh, 56 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 9: and that's what we're working through. 57 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: The premier wants a five year deal so have the 58 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: certainty of being able to invest in various regions and 59 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: areas to bring facilities up to AFL standard and get 60 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: fifty one weeks of benefit for the rest of the community. 61 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: The AFL hedges along commercial lines. South Australia wants exclusivity 62 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: around it's like it does with Live. The AFL is 63 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: just heading a little bit for the time being. 64 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: It's a hard negotiation when they both know they need 65 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: each other. The AFL need South Australia have done an 66 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: outstanding job and then South Australia desperately need gather around 67 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: to continue. So they're going to find that common ground 68 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: at some stage. 69 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 4: It's just a bit of a you know, stand off. 70 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: And who can hold the line for a bit longer, 71 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: But they were I mean, you're a massive fan. 72 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: You can't be anywhere else, can it. 73 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: So I think trying to get certainty around it by 74 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: Sunday weeks so at the end of gather around this 75 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: is a challenging yeut. There'll be a lot of families 76 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: like my extended family at the moment who are just 77 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: second guessing, right are we driving? Are we taking the 78 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: annual trip? With the way fuelers and the cost of 79 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: living understandable? So there might be just a slightly different 80 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: layer to it. But I think you know, they spoke 81 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: around the day ground final about having certainty. This is 82 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: one of the planks that needs certainty as well, and 83 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: it is it's so ideally suited to South Australia. It 84 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: draws on all the charms of the proximity that makes 85 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: the test the best of the cricket summer and they've 86 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: transplanted that into footy. You can get there in so 87 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: many different ways. 88 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: It wouldn't be the same in any other states. 89 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: So I do think once you've come up with the 90 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: perfect almost by accident, the NRL keeps magic round in 91 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: Brisbane because it's so ideally suited there. I think making 92 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: it the long term home again is the right play. 93 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 4: I have no argument against me. 94 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: It is a fantastic five days of footy and it 95 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: may be a little bit different this week this year 96 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: rather for the circumstances that we know. 97 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: But it is they are great venues. 98 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: Tasmania coming in in twenty twenty eight. Yeah, they might say, hey, 99 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: bring the whole thing down to Tassy, but I don't 100 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: think they're equipped to handle. 101 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: It in the manner that we have, certainly not until 102 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: they've got their stadium. So that's really twenty thirty one 103 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: or thirty two before you could even contemplate that. All right, 104 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: So the footy itself, the East around which is before 105 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: us Adelaide, is in the grip of injury and that's 106 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: furthered yesterday when Jordan Buttz was placed in the concussion protocols, 107 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: and it did put into new light the events of 108 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: Thursday night and the collision which saw him ultimately diagnosed. 109 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 10: In the moment, Jordan felt okay. In the moment, he 110 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 10: felt like there was no issue. How doctors assessed him 111 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 10: both on the field both once they had come off 112 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 10: to the bench and everything at that point was where 113 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 10: we thought it needed to be, and so you know, 114 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 10: we're not going to put a pirate risk. Unfortunately, for Jordan, 115 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 10: it was you know, a few days later as he 116 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 10: starts to feel no good again, the moment we have 117 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 10: that conversation with him, there is no risk taken. Unfortunately, 118 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 10: now he misses two games. 119 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 3: This is worthy of discussion and debate. 120 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: And this is your passion project that you've led for 121 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: more than a year now around brain injury. 122 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Matthew went on to say that there's 123 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: a lot of commentary methodis around of non experts, of 124 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 2: which I am one in the medical space. But I 125 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: wasn't entirely comfortable and I'm not second guess and you 126 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 2: know I'm not second desk guessing doctors. I think doctors 127 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: do an unbelievable job. But this is a really difficult 128 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: situation to find yourself in. And my advice in all 129 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: of this is err on the side of conservatism. We 130 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: are not dealing with a shoulder or an ankle or 131 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: a dodgy calf. As soon as he got hit in 132 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: the head, the thing that had to be cleared was 133 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: whether or not he had a brain injury. And to 134 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: see a doctor circle him, and then the commentary around it, 135 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: and hearing our fox boys say gee, don't look right, 136 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: And he might be saying he's right. He might be 137 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: saying he feel he's feel good. But sometimes, and we've 138 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: seen this historically, they're the last blokes you listen to. 139 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: The players are the last ones you listen to. So 140 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 2: I just thought, you know, seeing the doctors out there, 141 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: and then he didn't want to go off, or the 142 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: doctors thought that they didn't want to go just get 143 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 2: him off if they run out to him, and he says, 144 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: I got a little bit of Nick and macalf. They 145 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: take him off, sitting down and say, not playing for 146 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: three weeks. 147 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 4: This is my whole issue, Jared. But when it comes 148 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 4: to a brain injury. 149 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: We somehow go okay, we'll stay out there for a while, 150 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: we'll have a look, we go back to that, we 151 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: watch the vision, then we get you off. Then we 152 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: do a test on the bench, which we'll see here. 153 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: And then he doesn't go downstairs to do the full 154 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: scat and then he comes back on Jared, and to 155 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 2: all intents and purposes, got cleaned up by Shannonneel. 156 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: And then he spends the last six minutes on the bench. 157 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: We live in a rotat were you living footy, We're 158 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: living through for football, in a rotational exercise where players 159 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: can walk on the field and be off inside three 160 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: minutes of the game starting. Yet there's some hesitancy about 161 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: getting these guys off to check whether they've got a 162 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: brain injury. Who cares if he goes off for two 163 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: minutes straight away and sits on the bench and they 164 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: you know, and then they go, no, you're good. Well 165 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 2: that's the greatest result. Instead, he did have a brain injury. 166 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: That's the bottom line. I'm not blaming the doctors for 167 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: not picking it up, but saying that Matthew saying that 168 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: Jordan Buttz felt great. So the last blots you're listening 169 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: to right now. So that is my frustration, and I'm 170 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: sick of the players. Maybe it's a bit harsh on Jordan. 171 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: I'm sick of the players who just try to be 172 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: watcho men and say no, no, no no. Remember we 173 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: watched Jeremy Cameron run away from their doctors. Just all 174 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: that does is make life really hard for the doctors. 175 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: It makes life hard for the coaches because they don't 176 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: know what's going on. 177 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: So players take the lead in this. 178 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: We're living through an era where we're reading about Andrew 179 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: Brashaw J Clark's stories about Andrew Brayshaw and Murphy from 180 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: Collingwood who have gone through this horrific situation. Yet we 181 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: want to argue to keep players on the ground to 182 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: know so they don't come off to check out whether 183 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: there be sustained a brain injury. It just doesn't make 184 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: any sense. And I know we're going to talk about Darcymore, 185 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: which flies in the face of what I'm saying, but 186 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: I always get back to it. If Scott Pinery the 187 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: other night just pulled up a bit sore and just 188 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: looked at his achilles, he's off the ground and in 189 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: his tracksuit not playing again, because god, hell, we can't 190 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 2: have an achilles but a brain injury, let's see. And 191 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: I know they're not as flippant as that, so that's disrespectful. 192 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: I know the the Adelaide doctors are doing the absolute 193 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: best they can do, but I wasn't comfortable with the 194 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: whole way that process worked out. And if the worst 195 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: thing that happens is the player spends four minutes on 196 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: the bench when there's nothing wrong with him. 197 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 4: Then alle lujah. That's a great result. 198 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: We're halfway between what has been and what will be 199 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: at the moment what yours that will be our future, 200 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: and it will be so prescriptive, but there's there are 201 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: gray areas that have been implemented at the moment that 202 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: I think the level of scrutiny around not having the 203 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: full HIA in retrospect. 204 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: Is that should cause everybody. 205 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: Paul, of course it should. And I know the AFL 206 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: have kicked it off. Well okay, I would be interested 207 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 2: to know on the basis of that. 208 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 4: So we just got to you know. 209 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: And again, if you're a player sitting there there and 210 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: you get ahead, knock and you're feeling a bit, we 211 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: just come off the ground. It's not that big a deal. 212 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: It's your brain you're talking about it. 213 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: Collingwood's traveling party will head to Brisbane tomorrow for the 214 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: Holy Thursday Night clash with the Lines. They will go 215 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: without Scott Pendlebury and Darcy Moore. 216 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 6: Well, Pendules was somewhat planned. It wasn't going to play 217 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 6: this game anyway. But yeah, Darcy's out and we've we've 218 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 6: had a bit of experience with Darcy being out and 219 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 6: particularly the first couple of rounds, so it will go 220 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 6: back to a model that we know has worked in 221 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 6: round zero, round one, where a team defense has been 222 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 6: quite strong. And anyone who's watched us play or played 223 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 6: against us in the recent time is our defense system 224 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 6: looks stronger. We're going to lead it against the lines 225 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 6: who are the are the best to move in the pool. 226 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: What we watched with Darcy Moore on Friday night is 227 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: sort of the exception that proves the rule is it's 228 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: a four week hamstring. 229 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was going on. 230 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: It was mind boggling to watch it because again, our 231 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: history and experience tells us that they just as soon 232 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: as there is an incident, as soon as this happens. 233 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 4: They're off. 234 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: That's what experience tells us. And the fact that he 235 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 2: didn't all week or eventually came off. We saw the 236 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: vision when he went downstairs to do some sort of 237 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: fitness tests and then we all. 238 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 4: Looked at him and that's the end of the night. 239 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: This year, he said, nah, that's it. 240 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: So then we think of Darcy's done in the hammy 241 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: and he's out, and then he comes back on and plays, 242 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: which is it's just again, it's extraordinary and he's going 243 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: to be out for three or four weeks. George Wardlow 244 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: come back. Remember he they got heavily criticized North Melbourne. 245 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: He's a young man, so you know this is the captain, 246 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 2: this is the head of the AFL Players Association. It 247 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 2: declared he was okay to keep on in a super 248 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: professional outfit like Collingwood. He said, right, I get back 249 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: out there, and now he's going to miss for four weeks. 250 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 4: It is bizarre, Jo. It's on all evidence is they 251 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 4: got it wrong. 252 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: We Collingwood, Darcy, whoever put him back out there got 253 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: it wrong, because why else would he be missing four weeks. 254 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 4: We just assumed he was fine. I assumed he was. 255 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: Fine, said to Jason, Well, they wouldn't putty man if 256 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: he's got to entering injury and he played the game out. 257 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: It's amazing. 258 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: All right, we'll preview this game tomorrow night once the 259 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: teams are in because Colin would have a few decisions 260 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: to make. And so to the Brisbane lines, as Chris 261 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: Fagan is living through this phase where there's no continuity whatsoever. 262 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: That's been true through the preseason and it's true at 263 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: the start of the season. Fresh injuries coming every week, 264 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: and even the coach himself is wondering if this is 265 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: a poor tend of things to come. 266 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 7: I think we've played eighty one games in three seasons, 267 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 7: which is a lot of games of football. And it's interesting, 268 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 7: like a couple of our pass players, Brandon Stasovich and 269 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 7: Kalachi's so injured at the moment. So the thought has 270 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 7: gone through my head that maybe the last few years 271 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 7: could take their toll at some point in time. But 272 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 7: you can't really afford to think too much about that. 273 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 7: You just got to deal with the cars that you're 274 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 7: dealt and keep moving forward. 275 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: It's the great unanswerable. It's why we should guard against 276 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: any any assumption that Brisbane remain the all powerful because 277 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: three campaigns that have gone to Grand finals in a row, 278 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: two flags where they've played four finals in each, there's 279 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: a cumulative toll. History tells us that even for the 280 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: greatest of teams, which is what makes it so admirable 281 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: what they've done already, and if they are able to 282 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: do it again, we will solidify them as one of 283 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: the greatest teams of all time. 284 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's be honest, it's the greatest problem to have. 285 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 2: There's seventeen other clubs that I'd love to have that 286 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: or sixteen other clubs that they love to have this problem. 287 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 4: All the teams that pack up in the end of August. 288 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 4: I wish we could play through. But it is well 289 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 4: a problem. 290 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: It is a challenge, and it's why, you know, I 291 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: always think back to back prem ships are the hardest 292 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 2: things in the world to win. And once you do it, 293 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: you've demonstrated that you have got the capacity to play 294 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: long and deep and bounce back al but maybe a 295 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: little bit slower out of the blocks and you'd prefer 296 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: And we saw that in Fagues admitted as much that 297 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: he thought that probably two or three weeks behind where 298 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 2: they needed to be when Round one was played. Yet 299 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: they pushed the red hot West from Bulldogs. 300 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 4: We're up there. The game is unbelievable. 301 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: But they've subjected themselves to some injury now and that's 302 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: the interesting part in all this is that they can 303 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: get these players back and hold them together, then of 304 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: course they're going to go deep again. 305 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 4: But it's a great problem to have. 306 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 2: But it's a genuine challenge, and it's a long long 307 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 2: you know what it is, The games are longer, the 308 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: seasons longer, so three in a row in this era 309 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: would be quite extraordinary, they would. 310 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: So let's wait to see how their team lands tomorrow 311 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: night the furnace. Carlton seemed to live the entirety of 312 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: last season in the furnace to varying degrees, and after 313 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: three games they find themselves right back here. 314 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 3: As the dawns is a reality for you? 315 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: Are you coaching for your life as you enter this season? 316 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 11: I feel like that's quite dramatic to sort of explain 317 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 11: it like that, you know, to think you're sort of 318 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 11: going to be making that call in six. 319 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: Weeks, twelve weeks or eighteen weeks time. 320 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 11: I think they're making these decisions for the long haul 321 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 11: and appreciating that probably the version we roll out in 322 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 11: round one it's going to be held a lot better 323 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 11: come around twenty So that's the way we'll approach it. 324 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 11: But the last thing this will be about twenty twenty 325 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 11: six is my contract. 326 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: That's the challenge for Bossy. 327 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: Can he gets some excitement and fresh messaging to his 328 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: playing group. 329 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I think it's a real challenge for it. 330 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 12: There's a few things that we can focus on with 331 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 12: our mentality when team's starting to come out of what 332 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 12: team do we want to become? But it's the mentality 333 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 12: of how can we turn around and really break the 334 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 12: back of a team coming with momentum? 335 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 7: How do we stop that? 336 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 5: I watched that and I think, yes, it shows a 337 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 5: lack of leadership, a lack of composure, but a lack 338 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 5: of drop marks like that's not coaching, but that's players 339 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 5: inability to perform under pressure when we know the second 340 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 5: half comes around and that little man jumps back on 341 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 5: your shoulder. 342 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: If you're a Carton player and you go, oh no, 343 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: not again, jeers. I think with. 344 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 8: Coaches in this situation, there's always the game, and to 345 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 8: me this screams as the game, the game where the 346 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 8: music stops. 347 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 10: Now. 348 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: I'm not in the habit of death writing coaches, but 349 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: Boss he's in his last year. 350 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 4: He's got a massive job ahead of him. 351 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 12: We were all riding behind BOSSI and the biggest thing 352 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 12: with our whole mindset this year is we're all in 353 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 12: it together. I know the outside will try and make 354 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 12: it about one or two people. 355 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 6: Good Night, Charcter. 356 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: Character a bit of real awe overreaction, and not just 357 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: Carlton here, but there are three teams who were the 358 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: of a bit of scrutiny out of what happened on 359 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: the weekend. Friday is crucial for Michael Voss keeping his job. 360 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's real, and it's probably real every week from 361 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: now on. It doesn't mean they necessarily have to win, 362 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 2: but they got to show up and the issue would 363 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: be if they got absolutely smacked off the park by 364 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: North Melbourne and then it becomes an issue bigger than 365 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: maybe whether it gets to coach against Adelaide and Collingwood 366 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: and Fremantle because they're real challenging for Carton down the track. 367 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: So now this is a team, this is a the 368 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: bottom tier team that we talk about who they need 369 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: to be really competitive against. 370 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: So that's real. I don't suspect he's going to. 371 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: Get sacked, but they need to show up and turn 372 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: up and they need to not have a I'll tell 373 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: you what if they're headed a half time by five 374 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: guys and lose by. 375 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 4: Five, that's going to be interesting. Let's go to use Geraldo. 376 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: These are the darkest of times for the Bombers. 377 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: So that's an overreaction because the darkest of times are 378 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: so recent that you can't just equate a losing streak 379 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: to that. 380 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: That said, it is a return to dark time. 381 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: So the club record losing streak is sixteen. 382 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: I do I think there's a delineator here. 383 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: The thirteen at the end of last year, oh to 384 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: the injury epidemic not to collapse. The first three this 385 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: year are the worry So Essendon would have hoped to 386 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: be through such dark times by now, but the realization 387 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: came probably at the start of last year that the 388 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: full blown rebuild was needed and that's going to come 389 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: with some pretty grim times. 390 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 3: So they're in the grip of grim times. It's looked 391 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 3: like that at the start. 392 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: The Bulldogs were merciless on them twice last year, so 393 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: that's their foe. That probably tips them to seventeen losses 394 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: in a row. But as I said, I still think 395 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: this is about the four It's about how much losing 396 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: is going to be done over the next couple of months. 397 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: It's going to be hard to find the winds. It's 398 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: going to be hard to find the hope in the 399 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: midst of all the doom that's going to swarm in. 400 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: How do they navigate that path? If they could get 401 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: something better than they produced against the Bulldogs last year. 402 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: Something more confident, something more defensively sound, and get away 403 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: with a smaller result rather than the full whack. But 404 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: if they did get beaten by triple figures, then who 405 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: knows they're losing. 406 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: Shriek us heading into unshirted territory though, Yeah, and even 407 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: given for last year, I'd imagine that's back in the 408 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 2: the supplement stage. 409 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: It is it is Port Adelaide is just entering the 410 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: world of pain. 411 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's real. The world of pain is 412 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 2: the sexy part of it. I think they're entering for 413 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: some pain. Whether it's a world well, that's going to 414 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: be a challenge and I think it was a bold move. 415 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: It's bold to a point, Josh Carr without going to 416 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 2: the market, I think I don't think there's any doubt about. 417 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: That, Jared. When you when you're moving on from a 418 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 4: long term. 419 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: Coach with a huge imprint on a footy club who's 420 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: had him sitting alongside him for the last however many years, 421 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: you're run the risk of not getting It's not a 422 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: sugar hit, but the uplift of a fresh face and 423 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: fresh voice and fresh ideas and everyone goes back on 424 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: edge because you've got to start from scratch, and so 425 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: that that's I think that's something that we're going to monitor. 426 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 4: But yeah, I suspect when you look at the list 427 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 4: and the amount of. 428 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: Intrigue around Zach Matter's and what he does as the 429 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: number one man. 430 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're in for a little bit of pain. 431 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: I don't think the list is super strong at Port Adelaude, 432 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: so world of pain. That might be determined in the 433 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 2: next few weeks, but I think they're in. 434 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 4: A bit of pain. 435 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, real or overreaction. Let's bring our players in. 436 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: Harry Sheesel, we've got to know so well over a 437 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: couple of years, going to rejoin us at. 438 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 3: The desk ahead of his commitments. 439 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: On Good Friday, and Andrew Brayshaw takes up with us 440 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: in the West. 441 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 3: One of the great young players of the compet till Alleys. 442 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: He's probably out of the younger day now, isn't He's immature. 443 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 3: Andrew Brayshaw joins us next