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Speaker 4: We need justice for George Floyd.

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Speaker 5: We always miss his murder in broad daylight. We're broken

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Speaker 3: I will deploy the United States military to defend the

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Speaker 4: If you want change in America, going registered to vote?

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Speaker 4: What is it change we need in this country?

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Speaker 6: That was Channel seven, corresponded Amelia Brace. We spoke to

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Speaker 6: her early in the show. This was yesterday in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 6: This is when they dispersed everyone in the area so

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Speaker 1: With the police start and across my deck quite hard,

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump said that they came into Washington and they

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Speaker 6: so there's even more waking up today. Another one that

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Speaker 5: We want to be with you all for real.

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Speaker 6: So I took the helmet off to later the times down.

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Speaker 5: Good Morning Australia, Chris.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, mate, and thank you for finding

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Speaker 5: You know what, it was a historic moment and that's

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Speaker 5: You know, we have to accept that people's behavior in

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Speaker 6: The rhetoric that's coming out of your President's mouth at

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Speaker 5: A great question. I can tell you that I've been

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Speaker 5: That is a tough question because there a difference between

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Speaker 5: and you have to protect the city. But again, it's

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a really good point because you

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Speaker 5: Without a doubt, and what we see and it breaks

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Speaker 5: This country and this world is already under enough tension.

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Speaker 5: People are not enjoying their life, people are scared. There

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Speaker 5: But if the police don't start it, if they don't

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Speaker 5: I don't know what the outcomes could be. It was

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Speaker 3: Is historic moment when we were in l earlier in

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Speaker 5: Now, what's my police department? And I can tell you

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Speaker 5: it goes back to police leadership. It goes back to

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Speaker 5: If there's an attitude of cowboy mentality, then I would

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Speaker 5: in are tired of that voice. They're tired of going

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Speaker 6: Well, we appreciate your pride, Sheriff, because it has been

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Speaker 6: a mind I mean, you are a count quite a

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Speaker 6: Let's hope that others are following your suit. We appreciate

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you. Thank you so much, talk to me anytime.

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