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Speaker 1: I get a team. It's David Gillespie, Tiffany and Cook.

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Speaker 1: It's me, Fatty Harps. It's the Youth Project, he high Harps.

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Speaker 1: You've just been complimented by the great man who likes

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Speaker 1: you in your glasses? Are you thirty percent smarter with

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Speaker 1: those on?

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Speaker 2: I definitely, I definitely feel thirty percent smarter, And I'm

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Speaker 2: just basking in the compliments.

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Speaker 1: Are you long or short sighted or something else?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like middle mid range blurriness, that's what

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Speaker 2: I get.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So like if you're like sixty centimeters or thirty

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Speaker 1: centimeters away from the screen, is it blurry?

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Speaker 2: Nah? Further like a longer design. The only time I

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Speaker 2: notice it is when I'm out, maybe at the gym

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Speaker 2: or at an event, and I'm kind of interacting with

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Speaker 2: people across the room and I'm like, I can't really

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Speaker 2: see your face.

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Speaker 3: Contact. That's a good get out of jail free card.

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Speaker 3: That is nice.

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Speaker 2: It's not nice because I feel like really isolated in

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Speaker 2: those moments because I'm not sure if I'm in the.

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Speaker 3: Room with people, you know, it's your ghosting. Excuse why'd

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Speaker 3: you ghost me? Tiff I couldn't see you in my

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Speaker 3: middle distance vision thing. Think you hear it was on

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Speaker 3: the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I think also it's got to do with how much

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Speaker 1: light is in the room. Don't you like when it's daylight?

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Speaker 1: It seems it's much like brighter daylight versus semi lit rooms.

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Speaker 1: When it's when it's not great light, I find it

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Speaker 2: I don't like driving at night either. Might wear them

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Speaker 2: at night, Probably should wear them at night.

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Speaker 1: Probably should. You're probably probably breaking the law by not

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Speaker 1: doing it. Hey you Giles boy? What's news?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all sorts of things. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 3: gout today, aren't we just really change?

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Speaker 1: I saw that, I saw your article and I thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a good old fashioned condition.

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Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you why I wrote about it, because

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Speaker 3: I didn't put it in the article. But I like

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Speaker 3: watching I think we've talked about this before, but I

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Speaker 3: like watching that SPS show alone, which is basically, you know,

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Speaker 3: people starving to death and who starves to death the

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Speaker 3: last is the winner. And one of the blokes on that,

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Speaker 3: I think, one of the blokes who's in the final

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Speaker 3: four at the moment, had this really bad attack of

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Speaker 3: gout and they were pointing out probably the reason is

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Speaker 3: because he's been subsisting on eels, which is just about

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Speaker 3: the only thing he can catch. And it reminded me

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Speaker 3: about the story of gout and how it originally was,

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Speaker 3: you know, a rich man's disease, and people who could

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Speaker 3: afford access to eels and swans and things were the

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Speaker 3: only people who got it.

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Speaker 1: Ones.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the Royal diet. You know, swans the protected species.

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Speaker 3: Only kings can eat the swans in the UK.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was too much beer.

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Speaker 3: No, well, maybe a bit of alcohol is definitely implicated

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Speaker 3: in it, but the big like, it's an interesting thing

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Speaker 3: because it's been around since since we first started noticing

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Speaker 3: things in medicine. The people have had this kind of

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Speaker 3: worse and worse and worse. Gout is something that you

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Speaker 3: have acute attacks of and when you have the attack,

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Speaker 3: it's unbelievably painful. So the fellow on the Loan Show

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Speaker 3: and his foot, and it looked horrifically painful. And that's

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Speaker 3: I've actually put a photo of what it looks like

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Speaker 3: in the article, so you just, I guess, warning if.

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Speaker 1: You don't like warning, Robinson warning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so so gow. It's been around a while. It

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Speaker 3: nobody really much cared if King Henry the Eighth had gout.

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Speaker 3: For me. He then analyzed, what are these crystals that

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Speaker 3: bloodstream called uric acid. Now, uric acid is something that's

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Speaker 3: of something called purines in your diet, and purines are

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Speaker 3: metabolized to uric acid. Now, as I say, if you've

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Speaker 3: to explain in one go, there you go, obvious answer

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Speaker 3: So four people prior to that really subsisted on vegetables.

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Speaker 3: That was what poor people eat. So it's an interesting version,

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Speaker 1: The one that's full of grains and crap is ten

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Speaker 3: Ten times the price of the white bread. That's right anyway,

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Speaker 3: So they thought, okay, job done, We've solved gout, we

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Speaker 3: They also found that alcohol did have an effect, and

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Speaker 3: It was probably unfair. There is a way to produce

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Speaker 3: excess uric acid by consuming too much meat. It's just

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Speaker 3: It went up sevenfold in fifty years from nineteen sixty,

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Speaker 3: It is now ad epidemic proportions. It is the most

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Speaker 3: extremely rapidly. So we're all having too many steak dians

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Speaker 3: It's on that are also sources of this. So how

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Speaker 3: things were the cause. Answer is, you know, when facts

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Speaker 3: meat theory facts win and siders started looking at this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I think it's still still people still

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which they're not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think i'd probably last or ten fifteen minutes?

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Speaker 3: becoming being vegetarians when it gets down to I've just

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Speaker 3: got to eat, And I guess from that perspective, it's

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Speaker 3: a it's an interesting insight into how man behaves when

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Speaker 3: there really are no choices and you really just need

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Speaker 3: calories the fastest way you can get them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I think when it comes

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Speaker 1: down to you know, life and death, people like you know,

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Speaker 1: I know that this is this is my ethical kind

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Speaker 1: of you know, value system. But fuck, I'm hungry. Give

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Speaker 1: me a fish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you haven't eaten for six days and you

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Speaker 3: catch a fish, you're suddenly not so worried about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, sorry mate, but I'm going to hitch on

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Speaker 1: the head nature.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we've just once again offended a fair chunk

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Speaker 3: of your audience, who probably are vegetarian. But that's the way.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think people are going to eat

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Speaker 1: whatever they're going to eat if it's that's right, you know,

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Speaker 1: it just happens. Make we appreciate you. Thank you as always. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you in a.

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Speaker 3: Week, yeah, well or two weeks, even a week. You're

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Speaker 3: not paying me enough to come back in a week.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you. I want to talk to you off

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Speaker 1: there for a moment, but for now mate.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you,