WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 18 September 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:05.280 Lately, General Man, welcome the Late Bays. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:07.560 Well, good evening. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.680 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming up. 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.840 A woman banned from a council forum after she said 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:16.880 that dogs can't be gender fluid. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.959 We'll tell you all about that a little later. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:21.840 Plus when we look at the papers, the twenty twenty 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.200 six Commonwealth Games will go ahead in Scotland, Victorians will 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.720 be picking up the bill, and the federal government to 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.800 consider free childcare for low income families. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:31.840 All of that soon. 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:36.040 But first, it's no secret there's a housing crisis nationally, 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.440 with last month national vacancy rates being just one point 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.320 three percent. So if you're looking for a rental, good luck. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.559 But we want to show you just how difficult it 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.040 is to find somewhere to live here in Sydney. Today 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.640 we found an ad online for a three bedroom, one 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:58.440 bathroom apartment in Bondi Junction. Sounds pretty good, a little expensive, 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.240 listed at nine hundred fifty dollars a week, but there's 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.319 just one caution you'll see on the ad there. It 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.600 says that the unit is located above a kindergarten. Well, 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.759 when you read on in the advertisement you find out 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:14.920 that there are a few problems. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:15.400 With this listing. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.840 It says the unit is located above childcare center and 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.240 only access is through the kindergarten to get to your 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.759 nine hundred and fifty dollars a week unit. Occupants are 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.720 required not to come and go during kindergarten hours and 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.520 no guests are permitted during kindergarten hours. Now the kindergarten 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:38.600 hours seven forty five am to five forty five pm, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.000 which means you can't get in or out of your 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.680 nine hundred and fifty dollars a week apartment before six. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.240 Pm each evening. 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.200 But there's one more detail you need to know before 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.400 you sign up for this amazing opportunity. The property is 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.440 being offered at a lower rent figure as it takes 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.880 into account the following. Occupation of this unit means, as 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.400 part of the agreement, the tenant will be required to 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.920 do the following for the preschool situated below the unit. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:07.240 Remove leaves, sticks and gum nuts from playground in children's 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.320 area before eight thirty am on Mondays and Thursdays. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.200 Blow up vacuum provided. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.000 Liz, would you take up this amazing opportunity or would 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.360 you prefer a tent somewhere in Chrisman's. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.440 Electric made or live in gardener. 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.880 Plus you don't get access to the place that you're 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.760 living in, or if you work from home, you're just shut. 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.920 Up in there all day because you can't leave. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.640 The funny thing is this has been taken down, which 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.120 may well suggest so much taking them up from the offer, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.560 because when you consider we're doing in three hundred and 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:47.000 fifteen dollars each to live in Bondai, which is actually 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:48.840 not a bad deal at the moment. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.880 As per the photos. It is a large apartment, as 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.320 they say in the listing. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.640 I can just imagine three young bloats being like, you 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:03.040 know what, we can make this work because Bondi, of 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.520 course is a very much sought after location. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.120 It is a lifestyle. It's like manly. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.480 It's one of those suburbs that people are like, you 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.239 choose a lifestyle when you choose this suburbs. 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:15.640 So I can just see three. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.079 Young blokes being like, look, that's my work hours. Anyway, 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.040 I've got to leave by seven forty five to get 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.400 to work. I won't be back before five forty five. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:24.680 Suits me just fine. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.800 Another one probably works from home and they've decided you 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.600 know what for a bit of yard duty once a week, 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:31.480 were down. 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.320 But normally, if you have like a living gardener or 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.200 a living cleaner, or a house attendant or something, you 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.680 give them accommodation and you pay them to be there. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.680 They did you say that that was why they'd reduced 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:46.040 the rental rates. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.000 You get out You've. 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.000 Got to pay to be the living bloody cleaner, right 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.480 and look, you know we're Sidney having a laugh at it, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.560 but it's not really a laugh because it is indicative 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.640 of where we are at with the availability of this 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.840 country that you would actually genuinely consider as perhaps one 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.400 of your only options to get a house in the 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:09.800 area that you can't come and go from your horse 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.480 for about nine hours a day. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.440 Or actually what was it from seven. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.119 Through to you know ten six pm? 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.200 You know ten odd hours or actually, yeah, what's that. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.120 I'm trying to do the numbers here. That's yeah, it's 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:21.840 about ten hours a day. Look, I didn't do the 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.039 all that well at maths at school. That's why I 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.400 became a journalist. Ideal in words, different, it's about ten 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.000 odd hours a day that you don't have access to 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.760 your own house if you want to come and go. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.120 There's a solution to this, do a Cert three in childcare, 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.120 get a job in the child care center. 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.159 Perfect, you can come and go as your please. 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:38.880 Yeah, but if you do your SERT three in childcare, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.160 you're probably not earning enough money to pay nine hundred 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.000 and fifty dollars a week to live in the place. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.520 But that's where we're at that people would consider something 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.800 like that because it could be their only option to 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.160 get a roof over the And how bad is that? 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:52.880 I mean, you know, the federal government parrots on it 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.839 all the time, but we're going to build a million 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.560 houses in this country, so we've got somewhere for everyone 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.720 to live. There is such a simple solution turning off 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.480 the immigration tap. Because they keep importing so many people 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.640 and there are out enough places for them to live in. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.200 You have situations like this. By the way, it's nine hundred. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.120 And fifty dollars a week, which is you know, that's 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.000 not cheap, and that could be someone's only option to 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.520 have a roof over their head. It's funny, but I 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.240 think it's actually a disgrace. And that's no knock on 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.120 the landlord or the agent. I mean, look, they're just 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.800 dealing in the market that currently exists, and why wouldn't 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.040 you go for every bit of profit and an advantage 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.760 that you can gain. But it's the tenants, the people 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.760 looking for houses at the moment, who were struggling. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.400 Through stuff like well, as Liz said, not long after, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.159 I think it was you that found this ad online. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:42.000 It was taken down, so presumably someone snapped it up. 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.680 The ABC had a story today saying that there's tents 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.880 as you drive into Grafton. Now there's a tense city 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.720 set up at the entrance to that town because there's 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.520 just no accommodation. And of course in Stephen Miles Electric 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.360 in Queensland Brisbane there's a tense city as well. It's 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.720 happening all around the country so it's a major problem. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.400 But it's not just paying your rent that's an issue. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.200 Now you're having to pay in order to pay your 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:08.440 rent with the advent of real estate agencies using apps 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.839 for renters to pay their rental fees headline in the 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.520 newspaper today, So Australian tenants are being charged to pay 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:19.200 their rent these apps. One is called a low You 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.880 pay the rent through this app rather than just having 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.760 money deducted from your bank account. But just as when 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.279 you use your card, you charge a service fee, this 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:31.880 app charges a service fee. One gentleman being charged five 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.120 dollars ten a month. Now five bucks a month probably 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.119 doesn't sound much, but when you're swimping for every dollar 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.000 just to afford rent, electricity and food, it all adds up, 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.560 and it's insult to injury when you're being stung for 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.640 rent and then you have to pay the real estate 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:51.400 agency in order to forward your rental fees. Tim Renter 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.520 tim the rent rather for a second, that was his surname. 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:57.680 He told the paper. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.200 I was annoyed at having to pay money for basically nothing, 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.279 but I was afraid to say anything to the property manager. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.800 You don't want to risk being on one of their 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.360 bucket lists for being a blacklists, for being a difficult. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.480 Tenant, not doing well with the reading. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:16.280 This is the problem with a shortage in housing that 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.480 if you've got a rent all you feel fortunate to 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.000 have one in the first place. You dare not kick 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.560 up a stink about the condition of the property or 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.280 about the terms the real estate agent is applying to you, 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.960 even charging you to pay your rent, for fear that 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.600 they'll come up with a reason to kick you out 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:32.920 and you won't find a place. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:33.080 Well. 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.800 I would say to your landlord James, and James often 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.960 talks about how much he likes his landlord. 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:38.640 He's a good guy. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.800 But I would recommend to him that he puts another 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.080 zero on the end of James's weekly rent because given 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.760 his reading abilities, tonight, he won't even know you've done it. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.560 I'd be taking to the collect But you know, it's 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.400 five dollars extra to pay rent whatever. But every time 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.000 you go to the cafe or the supermarket or whatever 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.480 and you're getting charged to surcharge on your credit card, 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.240 these surcharges very quickly add up. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.400 You know, it's five dollars here, twenty cents there, fifty 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:05.800 cents there. Across a month. 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.000 You could be paying million, one hundred dollars into these 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.960 damned search charges, right, And it made me think today, 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.440 what would happen now if you tried to go to 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.680 the shop front of your property manager and try to 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.400 pay your rent in cash. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:21.800 Something tells me that. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.680 A lot of places now would either look at your 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.960 sideways and say, what the hell are you doing that for? 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.040 Or they would simply refuse to take your money because 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.400 everyone is expected to pay for everything online now, and 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.760 it's all good and will to expect people to pay online. 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.520 And I suspect a lot of landlords and property managers 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.640 would expect you to pay online instead of via cash. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.000 But if that then comes with a surcharge, given that 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.960 cash is still legal tender in this country, and we 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.680 see this in shops where they now refuse to take cash, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.640 you should not be able to refuse that legal tender. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.520 As far as I'm concerned, why should I have to 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.679 pay extra to use my own money. It's because the 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:03.920 person you're giving the money who doesn't want to pay 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:05.359 the surcharge themselves. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.160 But why should I have to pay that? 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.720 If there's a way I can avoid it, and that's cash, 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.360 But I'm continually being told that I cannot use cash. 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.480 I don't see how that is fear in any way. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.000 Well, a method by which to pay your rent without 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.720 a fee is law in many states, and this particular 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:25.240 app that Tim Rent is talking about does have an 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:29.000 option whereby you're not paying the fee, but it requires 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.800 you to go on to the app once a month 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.400 to pay, and thereby have to put in all your 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.000 banking details all over again, which I would argue is 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.880 a small inconvenience if you want to spare yourself the 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:45.120 five dollars ten cents every month. I found it very 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.600 amusing though, that this Alow app was invented by the 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.360 great grandson. 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:51.040 Of Ray White. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.760 He's cash and then on the family business. But you're 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.200 quite right, why would a real estate agent who has 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.559 chosen to pro assess. 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.600 Their rental payments through such an app, through such a platform, 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.680 Why shouldn't they be the ones bearing the brunt of 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:12.400 any costing curve because they're doing it for their own convenience, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.520 not the convenience of the renter. But like you say, Mac, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:20.160 in today's market, the renters just have to keep sucking 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.920 it up because you don't want to be difficult, you 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:24.240 don't want to get in. 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.720 Trouble to our free speech. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:32.960 Absolute crisis going in our country right now. Today, Communications 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:37.000 Minister Michelle Rowland stared down the barrel and told us 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:41.760 with a straight face that the Misinformation Disinformation Bill that 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:46.520 she's introduced, which would give AKMA, the Australian Communications and 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:52.200 Media Authority, more powers, is now backed by report by 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:56.200 AKMA itself which agrees that yes, They're more than happy 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.839 to be the Ministry of Truth here in Australia should 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:01.120 the bill get up. 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.480 In the most recent parliamentary sitting, I introduced legislation to 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.280 ensure the regulator, the Australian Communications and Media Authority, has 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.280 the powers it needs to hold digital platforms to account 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.760 for their systems and processes in relation to combating seriously 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:22.200 harmful miss and disinformation on their platforms. And just today 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.320 the Australian Communications and Media Authority released its latest report 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.160 into the voluntary industry Code of Practice dealing with miss 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:34.800 and disinformation in Australia. What this does is underscore the 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:40.080 need for the government's legislation to combat harmful, seriously harmful 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:45.560 miss and disinformation online. We know from the acma's report 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.840 that around eighty percent of Australians are concerned about this 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:50.600 and they want something done about it. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:56.920 Stalin Chairman Mao and Hitler approve this message, baby, Can 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.480 you believe this? Can we get a fact check on 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.680 that a percent of Australians want this? We're supposed to 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:09.600 believe twenty million of US Australians want this misinformation disinformation 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:14.920 combated and we want AKMA to have weapons grade powers 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:19.120 to censor me, to censor you, to censor us every night. 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.320 On the Late Debate, even more than they already do. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.400 There's already codes that we all must abide by, which 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.439 we agree, for the most part, are fair. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.480 But what we're talking about. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:33.760 In this misinformation disinformation bill is out and out censorship. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.280 This is unbelievable. And be reminded, we. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.959 Can't even bash labor about this. This isn't even an 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.680 election war that we can play off because this bill 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:49.319 is the brainchild of a liberal government. So if you 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.520 think they're going to come to your rescue, think again. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:57.040 Whether your vote blue or red, you're getting this. It's 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:01.000 utterly terrifying just to note that these two parties, which 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.920 are completely controlled, in my personal opinion, no matter which 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.360 way you vote, you're going to get the same end result. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:10.800 With regards to this. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.640 We've seen it play out in the UK, it's progressively 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.679 playing out in the US, in Canada, all these Western 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:23.360 countries biting down hard on the most basic principle of 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.080 any free Western democracy, which is freedom of speak. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.560 I just loved Michelle Rowland's press conference. I mean it 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:30.520 was so dramatic. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:35.040 Today. Akma agreed that Akma should have more power. Wow, 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.880 thanks so much for that. That's driving matters. Who would 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.480 have guessed that'd come to that conclusion. 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.160 And then that eighty percent of Australians want misinformation and 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.160 misinformation cracked down very concersed, I would say, is a 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.439 wonderful example of misinformation. If they're in a crackdown on misinformation, 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.440 like you know, gender identity, I might be in support 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.319 of this good, But the idea of misinformation and this, 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.200 I mean, these are terms that didn't exist. What six 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.560 literally is, they've made them up. There's things that are 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.480 true and there are things that are not true, but 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:08.040 there's no such thing as misinformation and disinformation. They are 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.120 government terms used to confuse us so they can make 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.559 us say what they want and not say what they 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.880 don't want. And then she talks about things like, you know, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.840 we've got to crack down on harmful and seriously harmful. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:19.280 Did you see? 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:19.520 Yeah? 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:20.680 So seriously not just. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:21.920 Things that are harmful. Then there are other things that 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.160 are seriously harmful. I don't know what they are. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:25.520 She can't show rowlands. 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:26.920 She knows what they. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.160 Are, and she will let us know if we say 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.320 anything that's harmful or God forbid seriously harmful in her view. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.400 Yes, yes, I have a plan, but I don't know 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.000 what the plan is yet, but I'll tell you about 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:37.440 it later. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.320 And the ridiculous thing about all of this, of course, 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.040 is that if you think back. 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.400 To the presidential campaign in the US in twenty sixteen, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.320 Trump started talking about fake news all the time, right right, 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.840 and he was derided by the left for using fake 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.280 news as cover for news that he didn't like, reporting 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.920 on Trump that he didn't appreciate. And it we said, well, 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.720 you know, every time he says fake news, it simply 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:01.640 because he doesn't want you to know that about you. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.960 It's simply the free press interrogating Donald Trump. So you 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.760 fast forward from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four, eight 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.080 years later, and you now have the left essentially using 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.840 the term fake news, except that they've got different words 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.080 for it now, which is misinformation and disinformation. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.760 And saying no, no, no, no, no, we don't like all. 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.320 This information that's been published that's critical of us and 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.560 could be damaging towards us. That's fake news. It's misinformation disinformation. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:29.400 The same people who criticize Trump for going after the 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.320 press for fake news now claim that everything that is 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.720 published by the press and you and me on social 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:40.680 media is misinformation slash disinformation. How can she and AKMA 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.320 possibly come up with the number that eighty percent of 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:48.320 Australians want this now? Sure, eighty percent of Australians may 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.600 agree that there is false information online and that they 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.480 would appreciate that not being there, But do they realize 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.160 that under this Misinformation Disinformation Bill it would give AKMA, 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.040 the Communications and Media Authority, the ability to haul you 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.400 in just as much as it has the ability to 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:09.280 haul mean and explain what I am talking about and 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:10.720 what I am posting online. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.320 You post something on X. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.280 Or Facebook or whatever, and AKMA is suddenly the arbiter 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.560 of truth, decides that they. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.160 Know what is the truth and you don't know what's 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:20.680 the truth. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.280 They can force you to explain yourself, and if you 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.400 refuse to explain yourself, they'll fine you for doing so. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.160 I don't think eighty percent of Australians would actually be 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.960 in support of essentially a ministry of truth that can 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:33.720 fine you for not cooperating with. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.960 You exactly, And we are adults, We have common sense. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.680 If you say something hair brained, I'm gonna think it's 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.800 hair brained. We all get to pile on you and 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.080 tell you you're an idiot, and vice versa. If we 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.800 disagree with each other. We are all capable of our 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.320 own thinking processes. If you say something that I know 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.360 nothing about, I'll do my own research. If I'm interested, 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.360 I'll come up with my own opinion. I don't need 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.320 Daddy government, who seems to be so scared of his 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.679 rebellious children. I don't need Daddy government to protect me 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.920 from anything. Give me a most hair brained ideas. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:13.840 At the very least, all we entertain. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.520 They're not trying to protect you, Liz, They're trying to 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.280 protect themselves. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.600 They are the ones that come up with the brained ideas. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.760 Is how they sell it though, that we're trying to 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.360 protect you trying to protect themselves. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:27.399 What I find. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:32.320 Unbelievable about these arguments, though, is people's unwillingness to concede 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.600 that these people mean you very real harm. What do 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.880 you think they mean by cracking down censorship, individuals can't 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.240 speak their minds anymore? And yet, despite the evidence, especially 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:48.240 after the last four years, nobody wants to concede this 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.120 central point. And we can come back to this point 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.120 where whether we're talking about digital idea, whether we're talking 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:58.360 about surveillance, whether we're talking about them hauling these massive 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:04.160 public public square platforms like X and others before they're 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:09.000 jumped up court, people don't want to concede that maybe, 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:14.200 just maybe the people in power genuinely mean you harm 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.840 and are actively pursuing it, because how else, how else 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:18.720 can you explain that? 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.480 The other thing is that people in power have glass jaws. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.960 Do you remember Anthony Lbnezi lamenting a couple of months 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:25.760 ago that there's got to be a way to stop 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.320 people making memes of me because he didn't like them. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:29.880 So did you read today? 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.720 Gavin Newsom in California has passed legislation effectively to ban 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:39.000 political memes. Anything that is, you know, satire or ridiculing 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:44.000 politicians that's not legitimately true because it's satire is now banned. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.439 So all these politicians have got massive glass jaws, and 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.400 it's okay to disagree with them, but if you laugh 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.399 at them or mock them, they hate that, and so 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:53.280 now they're outlawing. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.640 Yeah, we've lost the plot. We have just lost the plot. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.960 By the way, I don't want the word daddy anywhere 0:18:59.040 --> 0:18:59.720 near elbow. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.240 Again, this is a little note to you, Liz. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.520 But of course all of this stuff is being swept 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:05.240 up into one. 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:05.399 Now. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.520 You got misinformation, disinformation, Billy, got the hate speech bill 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:10.840 that was also put up last week. You've got the 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.520 proposal now from the federal government that they would restrict 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.800 teenagers and children from being able to use social media. 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.520 And as we've said many times, that is a noble goal. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.600 It is one that is highly popular because most people 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.360 recognize the danger of children using social media, but they 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.760 add that on to things like misinformation and disinformation as a. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:32.760 Way to ram it through. 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.240 Here are a few things on the sidelines that mightn't 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.240 be so popular, but here's a really popular policy, like 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.560 restricting age on social media. Let's bring it all into 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.520 one and try to sell it as one product. And 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.280 as we've said here many times, why don't parents who 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.520 ultimately have control of their children, or ought to ultimately 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.960 have control of their children, simply tell kids you cannot 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.560