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Speaker 1: I came across a clip on YouTube of Master She

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Speaker 1: He has half a million YouTube followers now and around

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Speaker 1: a million Instagram followers. He is a thirty fifth generation

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Speaker 1: Shaolin Temple in Europe. And in this podcast, which I

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Speaker 1: just listened to again the other day, and it's a cracker,

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Speaker 1: and we just talked about a whole heap of life

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Speaker 1: lessons from the Shaolin way. I think you'll really enjoy this,

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Speaker 1: even if you did hear it the first time, and

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Speaker 1: if you didn't get in petreat Master she Hang Yee.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Mind, Body Brain Project podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello Paul Nice, and thank you for the invitation.

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Speaker 1: You're most welcome, and it's a real honor to have

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Speaker 1: a Sharon Monk on the podcast, and not only a

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Speaker 1: Sharon Monk, but a thirty fifth generation Shaolin Monk. So

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Speaker 1: can you explain how that lineage system works of generations

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Speaker 1: of shaolin monks.

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Speaker 2: So if you look at the way how we are

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Speaker 2: talking to each other, let's say, or how students relate

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Speaker 2: to me and how I relate to my students, we

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Speaker 2: talk in terms of a family system. So stifu or

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Speaker 2: we may be not related to my students in terms

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Speaker 2: for example, to teach and also have his own students afterwards,

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Speaker 2: this is the moment where you are actually entering into

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Speaker 2: this system, so you become the next generation, in the

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Speaker 2: moment where you have children, where.

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Speaker 1: You have students, where you have students exactly.

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Speaker 2: So, and yeah, that's actually quite the system how it is.

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Speaker 1: M's that's very interesting. So thirty five generations, that's gotta

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Speaker 1: be more probably five hundred years maybe something like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, the funny part is we are counting at

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Speaker 2: the moment, it's the thirty fifth generation in my case,

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Speaker 2: seventh generation in some cases. But if you would actually

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Speaker 2: count back and go back in time, you would realize

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Speaker 2: like one thousand, five hundred years ago where the monastery

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Speaker 2: was founded, okay. And the reason for that is that

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Speaker 2: the counting of the lineages started much much later, yes,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the first children didn't count, yes, but they

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Speaker 1: me how do you how do you actually become a

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Speaker 1: And just talk as to that process a bit. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So in my case, I grew up in Germany, but

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Speaker 1: And so how long did you train under the Shaolin

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Speaker 2: So with my first teacher, I trained around eighteen years

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Speaker 2: So I always stayed within the field of shaolin mainly,

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Speaker 2: best system. It is just there are many systems which

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Speaker 2: have advantages and disadvantages, and I think it's just good

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Speaker 2: But Maine, my main road was always the showling.

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Speaker 2: But I really think the advantage right now also in

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Speaker 2: you are creating inside yourself. Now there is something heavy

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Speaker 2: And in this case, in that exercise, I assume that

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Speaker 2: regardless of what you're doing. So chigong is not about fighting, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting you said that I used to do

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Speaker 2: Isn't it exactly? But also nowadays the chigung is an

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Speaker 1: don't hear discipline mentioned a lot. And I think it's

440
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: pretty critical, right because you're exposed to the same temptations

441
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: as many of us, but it's the discipline that can

442
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: often be the discerning factor between which way your life

443
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: goes isn't it.

444
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, And I mean there is a reason why

445
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: there is this saying you need to practice anything for

446
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: at least one hundred days.

447
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's is that the shaolin thinking in terms

448
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: of having this is.

449
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: One saying, right idea. It is just you need to

450
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: repeat something very very often. You need to program yourself.

451
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: Our body is running on the software and this software

452
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: is filled with some information and in order that this

453
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: software really starts to change, you need repetition.

454
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Speaker 1: M hm.

455
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: The repetition makes the system change, and say, makes you

456
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: reconnect whatever is able to reconnect. And this is exactly

457
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: how you said it before. That that's the reason why

458
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: we need repetition. And you sometimes need to be exposed

459
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: to some conditions in order that you develop the right mechanism.

460
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: And now together with that second step of cultivating your discipline.

461
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: I love that expression, cultivating your discipline. It's a beautiful

462
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: expression actually, because that that's what it is. Really. It

463
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: sums it up, doesn't it.

464
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: Yes, there are also people who have talent. Talent means

465
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: that your understanding of the subject in the beginning is

466
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: much quicker. You are able to apply what you what

467
00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: you know much quicker. But ultimately, even if you are talented,

468
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't think the talent shows it's only about talent,

469
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: but also the willingness on the other side to put

470
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 2: the work into it, to find this right combination. And

471
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: so that means there's something internal about this about this person,

472
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: something that he already carries inside of him. But now

473
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: you also need the external way. How is he expressing

474
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: this in this world. So the internal gift and the

475
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: external expression, those two together, this is what makes that

476
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 2: person stand out in the crowd nowadays and becomes something

477
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: and express something very very specialtely, this is the same

478
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: like chigong and kung fu. Something internal something external. You

479
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: need both and also right now, yes you need discipline,

480
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 2: but now you also need to express this discipline. So

481
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: you are using your will power, You are using the

482
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: steadiness and ability to focus in order to now also

483
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 2: take the same challenges as other people in this world

484
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: are taking. It's just that you face the challenge, but

485
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: you have discipline. That's why you don't give up even

486
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: if you fail in that challenge. This is the only difference. Yeah,

487
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: but we also it doesn't mean that in the monastery

488
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: or any martial artists or whatsoever, does not face challenges

489
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: just because he has discipline. No, he has many ups

490
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: and downs, he has many failures. But because of this discipline,

491
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: all these failures is not the end.

492
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: I think it's an old Chinese saying, is that fall

493
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: down seven times, get up? Yet? Yes?

494
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: So?

495
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: And in the and in the shawling way that there

496
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: is a very strong connection between physical fitness and spiritual development.

497
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: Can you just talk about those links for a little bit.

498
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: So the root of shoolin arts, I would say, is

499
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: derived from the insight into how the things are. Meaning

500
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: the martial arts is only one way how you were

501
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: able to put all the theory, all that knowledge, that

502
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: wisdom which comes from so called charm Buddhism or zen

503
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: Buddhism into ways of daily practice. It's really about this.

504
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: To control the body is good. Controlling the body is

505
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: already a good sign that there is something that you

506
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: have under control. But if you would be able to

507
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: control your mind as much as you are able to

508
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: control the body, then we are regarding this in our

509
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: tradition as the ultimate and the highest ability of yourself,

510
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: the highest skill in order to create and have influence

511
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: in your life quality. Because it's the mind. It is

512
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: your thoughts that can bring you from one second from

513
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: paradise into hell. Or for me personally, I have to speak.

514
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: This is what I'm looking for, the power of the mind.

515
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: This is what I think is sustainable when you are

516
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: still young. And maybe I can consider myself still young

517
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: with thirty eight. But one day the power of the

518
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: body is gonna vanish. That cannot change. It is just

519
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 2: gonna happen. But I don't think the power of the

520
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: mind can cease so easily. This is maybe personal belief,

521
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: but this is my interpretation and my ambition. Why I

522
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: we got this way of life, to combine spirituality on

523
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: the one side, the hard external martial art training on

524
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: the other side. Why I think it's very, very beneficial.

525
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: In terms of the mind and thinking about the mind

526
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: and controlling the mind being key. You're not alone. And

527
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: Marcus Aurelius was a Roman emperor and Stoic philosopher. You

528
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: may have heard of him, but he said that we

529
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: have power over our mind, not outside events. Realize this

530
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: and you will find strength. Right. And Epictetus is another

531
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: Stoic philosopher, and he said, and you can make my

532
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: leg lam and you will imprison my leg, but you

533
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: will never be able to imprison my mind. And so

534
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: there's I think the Stoics are very aligned with that,

535
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: that that Challlin tradition around that it's really the key

536
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: is that part over the mind. It's just in Shallin.

537
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: And my understanding from this conversation is that that the

538
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: physical training and the martial arts is a way to

539
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: condition yourself to have power over your mind. Is is

540
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: that correct? It's like a kind of a gateway. Yes.

541
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Speaker 2: I think if you would point it down at one

542
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: center skill mm hmm, then it's exacut it is. It's

543
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: all about increasing your awareness of your own mind also

544
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: the ability to adjust your own mind. And therefore we

545
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: need to use different methods because maybe when we talk

546
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: about it, or I talk about it, for me it

547
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 2: is normal that I say, I can see the thoughts

548
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: that are arising. But I don't think it's something normal.

549
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's just like I have the sort

550
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: and that's it. There's nothing I can do about it.

551
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: But it's not like this. And why we have so

552
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: called sitting practices meditative practices, because if you are sitting

553
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 2: physically for half an hour or one hour or even

554
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: for five minutes, you really try as good as you can.

555
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: Sit down and don't move. Don't move the body, not

556
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: even the eyebrow, nothing, just don't move. So what you

557
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: want is the body becomes still. When the body becomes

558
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: still and you are not itching somewhere or scratching somewhere,

559
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: then it means the more you practice, the more you

560
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: will realize if your mind actually is still or not.

561
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: Because all the time, right now, if right now in

562
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: our rooms the wind would be blowing, we can feel

563
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: the wind on the skin because we are distracted by

564
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: our sense sensation. So if we're able to for a

565
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: moment shut down the senses, then all your awareness, all

566
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: your consciousness, is able to be put upon your mind,

567
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 2: and then you can see if your mind is still

568
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,959
Speaker 2: or not. Then it's really like entering into another world.

569
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: And the more you practice is the more then you

570
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: will really realize. I think my mind was still all

571
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: the time, but there is so much turbulence. And this

572
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: is the way why there is this sitting practice for

573
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Speaker 2: what this is one of the reasons, this is the

574
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: benefit why it's worse to sometimes try this out. What

575
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: you think today is normal. You just do the right practices,

576
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: and you will realize that the way how somebody has

577
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: lived his life was the unnormal way. Normal is something different.

578
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: It's interesting you talk about the mind and that observation.

579
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: I remember that I was in Cambodia, maybe twenty five

580
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: years ago, right, and I was traveling, and I went

581
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Speaker 1: to a monastery and there was a female monk who

582
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: was there, who had been and they're meditating for a month.

583
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: And I asked her for a little bit of advice,

584
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: and she laughed, and then she said to me, the

585
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: first step is to be the watcher of your own mind.

586
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: Yes, but now also for example, now you see these

587
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: are topics. It's really nice to talk all the time

588
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: about it. So if you imagine, it would be possible

589
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: to have just a round of lots of philosophers and

590
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: keep talking about the power of the mind and this

591
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: and that and how the philosophers in the past already

592
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: knew it. So it's easy to get lost in these topics.

593
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it's the doing, the art of the doing, isn't it.

594
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: And that's now why we know it's possible.

595
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: But now how to do it?

596
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: And this is again where the martial arts, the schoolIn

597
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 2: kung Fu the shaolin chigo starts to enter because now

598
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: there's a practical way. Okay, if I want to now

599
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: gain this idea of the power of the mind, start

600
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: to observe the mind, how do I do it? And

601
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: one of these schoolIn methods is practicing of the martial arts,

602
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: practicing of the chiego, practicing of Chinese calligraphy, these different

603
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: type of things. Having the various types of tea ceremonies.

604
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are all expressions where you were able to

605
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 3: have some some object, let's say, to place the mind.

606
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: One and then from from this point start to work.

607
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. They're there there. There are ideal examples of

608
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: mindfulness practice that to do them properly, you need to

609
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: be completely focused. Your attention needs to be on the

610
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: on the act, or the ceremony or the practice itself.

611
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, exactly. For example, I'm sure that you also

612
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: had some tea ceremonies already in the past.

613
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Maybe, yes, And those.

614
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: Tea masters sometimes say or they say, you can see

615
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: all answers of life within that tea ceremony. Yeah, And

616
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: for example, what do they mean with this at the end,

617
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: what you have, the expression that you have is the

618
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: taste of the tea on your tongue. And now we

619
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: just take this example and try to return back and

620
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: where is this taste coming from? And there it starts

621
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: somewhere there was a plant was growing. Somebody plucked that plant,

622
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: rolled it, or took the tea leaves, stored it somewhere

623
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: for sometimes thirty years. Afterwards, shipped it to Germany, or

624
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: shipped it to the UK, or shipped it to the USA.

625
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: Somebody bought the tea. Now has to cook the water

626
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: to the right temperature, put the water into the bowl

627
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: for the right amount of time, and afterwards you're able

628
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: to taste and drink that tea. If just one thing

629
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 2: along this line would change, the taste of the tea

630
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: that you were able to taste would change. And again,

631
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: what we have here is what you feel on the

632
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: tongue right now. It's like it's the consequence, it's the effect.

633
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 2: But this effect has a long history. And the question

634
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: is are you able to follow back and trace back

635
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: this history. And if you can trace it back on

636
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: the tee, and now you just put it back and

637
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: try to trace back yourself. Where do my habits come from,

638
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: Where do my ideas come from? Where do the paths

639
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: on my body that are hurting right now, where is

640
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: it coming from? Then you find a great path, a

641
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: great key already some answers that you might have towards

642
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: this life.

643
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: So that that whole introspection. And it's interesting, you said.

644
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: As you started saying, I started smiling because I talk

645
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: a lot about gratitude, and I say to people, you know,

646
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: you can be grateful for a cup of coffee, and

647
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: and and maybe you're grateful that the barrista who made

648
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: the coffee put the attention in it. But then you

649
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: need to think about the farmer in Columbia who maybe

650
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: put his life savings into growing the coffee, and the

651
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: people who picked the coffee, then the trucks that took it,

652
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: and then the planes that that flew you. And actually, wow,

653
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 1: how do we get a plane? Somebody had to create

654
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: an engine, so they had to design the plan. You know,

655
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Speaker 1: all of those complex equations, all of this stuff that

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Speaker 1: goes into and you can really go very deeply down

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Speaker 1: a path if you become focused on mind, feeling curious

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, and along this way, just how you explain

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Speaker 2: also where does this coffee come from? What is happening?

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Speaker 2: Is you start to see the connection, the connection of

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Speaker 2: the presence of the present with the past, and also

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Speaker 2: the connection then between the present and the future. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and also between yourself and the coffee, and then also

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Speaker 2: yourself and the farmer of the coffee. So the principle

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Speaker 2: that starts to happen along this way is connectivity. Happens

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Speaker 2: the farmer on the other side of the world does

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Speaker 2: have an influence on your life. Yeah, but this is

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Speaker 2: something you don't realize or maybe you don't want to

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Speaker 2: realize in today's world.

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Speaker 1: Mutely, we've got to wind up in a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: But I just wanted to get your thoughts on happiness.

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Speaker 1: And we said earlier there's many people in our societies

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Speaker 1: that chasing happiness. And what is your opinion on how

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Speaker 1: we can foster happiness or contentment or flourishing well being,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, and what would be your

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Speaker 1: parting advice to the listeners.

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Speaker 2: Okay, happiness I think already has a very strong connotation

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Speaker 2: in nowadays world. That's why I don't want to use

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Speaker 2: the word happiness. Imbalance, not knowing whether life goes up

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Speaker 2: or life goes down, whether you succeed, or whether you fail,

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Speaker 2: whether you're going to stay alive or whether you die.

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Speaker 2: This is an issue all humans have that there is

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Speaker 2: this instability which is always fluctuating, seemingly between two extremes.

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Speaker 2: Let's say either you're successful or you're failing. When you're

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Speaker 2: moving towards success, you're in a specific state. When you're

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Speaker 2: moving towards failure, you are in another state. Neither of

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Speaker 2: those states is what I think will give you peace

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Speaker 2: of mind. So the aim or the advice for me

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Speaker 2: and for others would be try to find that state

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Speaker 2: of the mind that is free from fluctuation. M and

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Speaker 2: this state free from fluctuation, free from movement. Maybe you

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Speaker 2: can call it stillness, and that stillness, maybe you can

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Speaker 2: call it there is nothing, or you can call it actually,

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Speaker 2: there's everything already. I don't know if I would express

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Speaker 2: this state as happiness or as contentment, or just as peace.

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Speaker 2: It's peace. Walk through this life peacefully. You meet other people,

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Speaker 2: meet them with peace. You face different challenges, face that

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Speaker 2: challenge with peace. It doesn't matter what you are facing

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Speaker 2: in this world, it's always better to face it with peace.

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Speaker 2: Peace inside of yourself. This is what you can do.

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Speaker 2: You are sick, still you're in peace. You just won

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Speaker 2: the lottery. Still stay in peace, because if you win

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Speaker 2: the lottery and you are not staying in peace, then

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Speaker 2: most probably you are somewhere in the state of euphoria.

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Speaker 2: But in ephoria, you spend too much money, you're going

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Speaker 2: to waste.

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Speaker 1: You come crashing down pretty quick. Right, No, that's great,

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Speaker 1: it's great advice. So so thank you, mister uh master

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Speaker 1: she hanged Ye. Sorry for my pronunciation of your name,

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Speaker 1: But this has been this has been awesome. It's been

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Speaker 1: a really interesting conversation into the mind and the practices

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Speaker 1: of a shoolin monk. And I think there is there

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Speaker 1: is something in this for for everybody, but for people

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Speaker 1: who who have enjoyed what you said and who want

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Speaker 1: to find out more. And I know you've got an

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Speaker 1: incredible wealth of stuff that's online. Where can people go

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Speaker 1: to find out more about your course? I know you

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Speaker 1: also run retreats, So when we eventually open up from COVID,

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Speaker 1: you know, how can I find more about you and

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Speaker 1: what you do?

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Speaker 2: So the monastery where I'm located at is the Shouting

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Speaker 2: Temple Europe, and I think it's really really easy if

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Speaker 2: you just search for this monastery and on the other side,

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Speaker 2: if you just link my name Hilhani, you also find

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Speaker 2: access to all the different varieties that we are offering.

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Speaker 2: And on the one side, because of the restrictions, we

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Speaker 2: also started to offer free online trainings. So for everybody

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Speaker 2: who wants to have a peek in what type of

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Speaker 2: practices these are, feel free to join. And besides that,

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Speaker 2: all the information I think is available and you can

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Speaker 2: just link it somewhere at your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will put all the links in the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I really encourage people. You do have an incredible

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Speaker 1: amount of of of free online resources, so so for that,

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Speaker 1: I thank you on behalf of all of the listeners

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Speaker 1: and anybody who has has gained benefit from from doing

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Speaker 1: and some of your practices.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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