Speaker 1: On Sky Lives Australia. This is the winder Panale Show.
Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panehe Show. I'm
Speaker 2: Danikiti Giorgio. Coming up tonight number forty seven. Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is officially sworn in as President of the United States.
Speaker 2: We will have full coverage of the historic event with
Speaker 2: Kosher Gada. Is this the end of woke? Trump immediately
Speaker 2: signs executive orders only recognizing male and female genders and
Speaker 2: has also banned DEEI programs. Josh Hammer is standing by
Speaker 2: Max Abrams on the president's crackdown on Mexican cartels and
Speaker 2: illegal aliens, and of course left he's losing it as
Speaker 2: we say farewell to a man who resembled a potato
Speaker 2: instead of a president.
Speaker 3: America is a nation that can be defined in a
Speaker 3: single word.
Speaker 2: I was joining me now is Sky News contributor Koshergada. Kosher,
Speaker 2: great to see you, Thank you so much. Look, it's
Speaker 2: been a huge day. Has it a very historic day,
Speaker 2: not just for the United States but for the whole world.
Speaker 2: There's a lot to get through, but firstly I want
Speaker 2: to start on this because Donald Trump has signed pardons
Speaker 2: for around fifteen hundred participants in the January sixth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one riot at the US Capitol Kosher.
Speaker 4: He was always going to do that. He's surprised so.
Speaker 2: That this was his first port of call.
Speaker 5: This was definitely a key signature issue. Expectations among his
Speaker 5: base were very, very high. There was a little bit
Speaker 5: of a question mark. There were some reports coming out
Speaker 5: there that maybe he won't do all of them, maybe
Speaker 5: it won't be a blanket pardon possibly, and there was
Speaker 5: a little bit of a civil war going on within
Speaker 5: his base about that. But he delivered to them. And
Speaker 5: I think on the heels of what Biden did today,
Speaker 5: which is the other big story of all his pardons
Speaker 5: preemptively to controversial figures and his family members, he just
Speaker 5: really paved the way for this. I think it's all
Speaker 5: fifteen hundred. There's six people where he's commuted their sentences,
Speaker 5: and they might eventually result in a pardon, but all
Speaker 5: in this is a full cleansing of what pretty much
Speaker 5: most of the country as an order prosecution of Americans
Speaker 5: have been in there for four years, with the punishment
Speaker 5: that far outpeaced the crimes committed.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think that there will be a lot
Speaker 2: of supporters celebrating this decision. But yeah, interesting, it was
Speaker 2: one of his first orders. But speaking of Donald Trump
Speaker 2: has signed more than two hundred executive orders on his
Speaker 2: first day. I've got to say kosher. He really wasted
Speaker 2: no time because you look at the footage. He went
Speaker 2: from the inauguration to the actual celebrations themselves, and then
Speaker 2: suddenly he was ushered into an office where the cameras
Speaker 2: were on him as he was signing one executive order
Speaker 2: after another. What are some of the key items on
Speaker 2: that list?
Speaker 5: And you know, it's unlike anything I've ever seen, at
Speaker 5: least in the past several presidents. It's because six months
Speaker 5: leading up to this, he already had funded, privately funded
Speaker 5: his transition team, and all of these ducks were in
Speaker 5: a row ready to go legally, and everything else on
Speaker 5: his desk. It spans again at the pardons, like we
Speaker 5: just talked about hiring freezers for the federal government, forcing
Speaker 5: people to come back into work physically in the office
Speaker 5: five days a week. Post COVID declaring a national emergency
Speaker 5: at the border, which is going to unlock a whole
Speaker 5: host of other things that come out of that. On
Speaker 5: his immigration issue, we're drawing from certain international agreements. We're
Speaker 5: drawing from the World Health Organization, which many people are
Speaker 5: angry about post COVID. And there's another of fifteen that
Speaker 5: I'm not even mentioning.
Speaker 2: No, that's fair enough. I do want to go through
Speaker 2: some of the more international ones soon. But it feels
Speaker 2: like he's really trying to clean up the public service
Speaker 2: with these executive executive orders. Why do you think that
Speaker 2: is a priority for Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: That's one thing where with the swipe of a pen
Speaker 5: he can do it, because that is where the executive
Speaker 5: branch has jurisdiction, that's in his purview. And a lot
Speaker 5: of it is just enforcing laws around the books or
Speaker 5: trying to shrink the bloat of government. All the doge
Speaker 5: cutting and all that will fall into that as well.
Speaker 5: Some of them he's testing the limit of the law
Speaker 5: by design, for example, ending birthright citizenship, which I think
Speaker 5: no country, maybe one other country has this, ending birth
Speaker 5: right citizenship for illegally. For example, you come in illegally,
Speaker 5: you have a baby, you don't automatically eat you a
Speaker 5: citizenship that will be tested in the courts, and he
Speaker 5: knows that. So summer in that category, but a lot
Speaker 5: of the other ones, to your point is just it
Speaker 5: falls in his purview. He's not wasting any time and
Speaker 5: anything where he doesn't have to rely on Congress, doesn't
Speaker 5: have to rely on the judiciary.
Speaker 4: He's just going full speed.
Speaker 2: He's absolutely going full speed. And what do you think
Speaker 2: that this says about the sort of president that he
Speaker 2: will be, That he's not mucking around and a lot
Speaker 2: of them he made promises before the election he won
Speaker 2: on that mandate, he's getting straight down to business. What
Speaker 2: do you think the next four years will be like?
Speaker 5: If today's any indication, and let's hope he doesn't lose steam,
Speaker 5: we really are going to see huge change and huge disruption.
Speaker 5: You know, this was such a high contrast election in
Speaker 5: every which way, interests of policy, in terms of substance,
Speaker 5: in terms of style, in terms of energy, in terms
Speaker 5: of stamina, all of it. And today is finally the
Speaker 5: fruits of that labor of what was a very hard
Speaker 5: fought campaign is coming to light. And if this is
Speaker 5: an indication of what's to come, it's not going to
Speaker 5: be anything like the first time, because he's much more
Speaker 5: organized and it's also much more prepared. A lot of
Speaker 5: the attacks from the other side have fizzled out so
Speaker 5: that it's hard for them to rerun those attacks. And
Speaker 5: you'd have to think that somebody who's been impeached and dted, convicted,
Speaker 5: almost assassinated is a changed human being, has nothing to lose,
Speaker 5: and he's just going to leave everything out on the
Speaker 5: field for the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a very interesting four years
Speaker 2: ahead of today, is anything to go by, boy, We're.
Speaker 4: In for a fascinating ride.
Speaker 2: Now, we mentioned some of the international executive orders, and
Speaker 2: I found this one to be particularly interesting because Donald
Speaker 2: Trump has announced he is pulling out of the Paris
Speaker 2: Climate Accord.
Speaker 6: This is what he said, I'm immediately withdrawing from the unfair,
Speaker 6: one sided Paris Climate Accord ripoff. The United States will
Speaker 6: not sabotise our own industries.
Speaker 4: Well, China pollutes with impunity, Kosher.
Speaker 2: I want to get to the consequences for Australia in
Speaker 2: a moment. But firstly, you know, Donald Trump's been professing
Speaker 2: the new green scam, as he's been calling renewable energy
Speaker 2: for the last few years, so this doesn't.
Speaker 4: Come as a surprise.
Speaker 2: But what does it mean now for climate targets that
Speaker 2: were put in place by the Biden administration.
Speaker 5: It dismantles them. And this whole Paris Climate Accord has
Speaker 5: been a yo yo where Obama signed them in as
Speaker 5: soon as Trump won. The first time he withdrew there
Speaker 5: was sort of an expiration period where he could do
Speaker 5: it overnight, had to let it run its course. Finally
Speaker 5: Withdrew lost the election, Biden comes and reinstates it, and
Speaker 5: now back to removing it. So each time that yoyo
Speaker 5: sort of has been going back and forth. But I
Speaker 5: think you know, as he said there, that it runs
Speaker 5: antibetical to his agenda, which is US energy dominance, growing
Speaker 5: industry at home, and these types of agreements. Even if
Speaker 5: you support wanting to keep the planet clean, which I
Speaker 5: think most people do, these agreements don't get there. It's
Speaker 5: just a massive transfer of power and transfer of wealth
Speaker 5: from some nations to others, some sectorst others, and it
Speaker 5: means in time, when this stuff is unwound, it will
Speaker 5: not cease to exist.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully this is a big wake up call for
Speaker 2: here in Australia with our renewable energy fantasy that we're
Speaker 2: going down under. But what does pulling out the Paris
Speaker 2: Climate Accord now mean for Australia because it had been
Speaker 2: foreshadowed for some time. Does it impact us at all?
Speaker 5: Hopefully it gives a little bit of a permission structure
Speaker 5: to push harder because there's been a minio yo here too.
Speaker 5: We're promised to abd I think signed on to it,
Speaker 5: and then he actually wanted to withdraw from it as
Speaker 5: the details came out, and then couldn't politically and all.
Speaker 4: The rest of it.
Speaker 5: So maybe this will We've got our own election coming
Speaker 5: up over here. This might give paid the way for
Speaker 5: that type of discussion. Also, just specifically that transfer of
Speaker 5: wealth and power that we mentioned, The United States taxpayer
Speaker 5: funds a lot of projects that other countries are beneficiaries
Speaker 5: of through this accord, and if we pull out, if
Speaker 5: the US pulls out, then that funding dries up, and
Speaker 5: that may have some ripple effect to other countries, including Australia.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just quite it fascinating that he's putting America first,
Speaker 2: which is exactly what he promised to do, and I
Speaker 2: hope that that sets a standard for places like Australia first,
Speaker 2: put your own country first and stop relying overseas. Now,
Speaker 2: let's move on, because one of the other things that
Speaker 2: was quite notable was the big tech titans who were
Speaker 2: on full display at the inauguration. You had Mark Zuckerberg,
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos, Sunda Pitchai, and Tim Cook. They all hung
Speaker 2: out together and apparently it was by choice. They looked
Speaker 2: very chummy in a number of the photos. But I
Speaker 2: read that the combined net wealth of the billionaires who
Speaker 2: attended the event was one point two trillion US dollars kosher,
Speaker 2: which is absolutely phenomenal. Now, some of these tech giants
Speaker 2: we know in the past, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, they
Speaker 2: have criticized Donald Trump, but now it seems the tighters turn.
Speaker 2: They're all suddenly kissing the ring. Why do you think
Speaker 2: it's important in particular, not just for billionaires, but for
Speaker 2: the technology world to be in with Donald Trump as
Speaker 2: opposed to out.
Speaker 5: This is a big story from the selection. The tight
Speaker 5: has turned because Trump turned it. They're sort of keen
Speaker 5: kicking and screaming because decidedly over the past I would
Speaker 5: say three or four decades have been while before Trump,
Speaker 5: Silicon Valley has been very favorable to the last in
Speaker 5: cash and kind. If you look at their donations, if
Speaker 5: you look at the issues set that they lobby for.
Speaker 5: It's not always in line with the America First, or
Speaker 5: sort of the populist mantra, and in kind, all the
Speaker 5: suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story or of COVID
Speaker 5: origin theories and all of that helped one side much
Speaker 5: much more than the other. So it's really interesting from
Speaker 5: that to this where they're kissing the ring and donating
Speaker 5: to his inauguration fund and looking all chummy. I think
Speaker 5: some of it might be self preservation or expediency on
Speaker 5: their part, which is fine. You don't have to like
Speaker 5: each other, but if you've got common cause for the
Speaker 5: goal of America First, wonderful. And some of it might
Speaker 5: be that they just know that this is where the
Speaker 5: power is now and it's in their interest to get
Speaker 5: on board because if not, they'll be left behind.
Speaker 2: But also, what does it say about Donald Trump as
Speaker 2: a businessman, because you know, it would be easy just
Speaker 2: to snub these people who have been quite rude to
Speaker 2: him in public forums for many years. But he knows
Speaker 2: how to foster relationships.
Speaker 5: He really does, which is so funny given to us
Speaker 5: the caricature that most of the world's media put on
Speaker 5: him and painted him as he's actually very good at
Speaker 5: he will CounterPunch. We all know that he's coarse in
Speaker 5: his style, but he is actually very good at letting
Speaker 5: bygones be bygones when it's time.
Speaker 4: To forge a new alliance.
Speaker 5: You could see that with all sorts of people, from
Speaker 5: Megan Kelly as an example, a journalist, to these tact folks.
Speaker 4: Over here and everyone in between.
Speaker 5: If there's common ground to be found for his vision
Speaker 5: of America, first he will.
Speaker 4: Do a deal. He will do it, which is a
Speaker 4: good president.
Speaker 2: That's a good later, in my opinion, a very good later.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: President Trump also vowed to be the first commander in
Speaker 2: chief to put US astronauts on Mars.
Speaker 6: This is what he said, And we will pursue our
Speaker 6: manifest destiny into the Stars, launching American astronauts to plant
Speaker 6: the stars and stripes on the planet Mars.
Speaker 2: But I got to say, I really liked this. This
Speaker 2: response from a lot. Musk says it all. Oh, he's
Speaker 2: very happy, Alon Musks is stoked. But you know, look,
Speaker 2: the space race is interesting at the moment, Kosher, because
Speaker 2: you've got countries worldwide, China, Russia, everybody is competing in
Speaker 2: that sphere. Now, what role does the US.
Speaker 5: Play such a central question. So it's been fifty six
Speaker 5: years since America decidedly took the mantle there and sent
Speaker 5: the first man on the moon. Nobody else has done
Speaker 5: it since then, and you could argue that that era
Speaker 5: was the peak of US exceptionalism and ingenuity, and it
Speaker 5: all sort of manifests in that moment of Neil Armstrong
Speaker 5: going on there and having a phone call with Richard Nixon,
Speaker 5: and since then, the last half century it's been a
Speaker 5: managed declient in so many aspects you a society economically, culturally,
Speaker 5: and everything else. So Trump clearly has a vision all
Speaker 5: these things he's talking about in terms of economics, culture, regulations,
Speaker 5: foreign policy, all of that America first make it strong,
Speaker 5: and then the manifestation of that, the pinnacle of it
Speaker 5: is going back and winning the space race and out
Speaker 5: competing other countries that have come a long way like
Speaker 5: China since then. That's submission that something that Elon Musk
Speaker 5: has said is a big motivation, clearly. So that's that
Speaker 5: common cause that we talked about.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's terrific, it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2: Plus it's such a it's a huge industry, the space industry.
Speaker 2: So I'll look forward to see what happens there.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Vivek Bramaswami has pulled the pin as co leader of
Speaker 2: the Department of Government Efficiency, apparently due to his interest
Speaker 2: in running for governor of Ohio. Kosher I was quite
Speaker 2: surprised by this.
Speaker 4: It didn't take very long.
Speaker 2: It was picked by Donald Trump, but now he's left.
Speaker 5: It always probably was a conceptual thing having two leaders
Speaker 5: co CEOs, two billionaires with Elon Musk with Elon Musk
Speaker 5: and correct and the veak. Nice idea, but I always
Speaker 5: thought maybe, I'm not sure, too many cooks in the kitchen,
Speaker 5: one could argue, But I think the more important reason
Speaker 5: is the governorship. So he's from Ohio. The governor there,
Speaker 5: Mark Devine, is term limited in twenty twenty six. That's
Speaker 5: going to be an open sea. The Vak kind of
Speaker 5: came out of nowhere and just in fifteen minutes, really
Speaker 5: went from a nobody to a household name now in America,
Speaker 5: So strike while the iron's hot, and if he does win,
Speaker 5: then that's a good thing because he is generally speaking
Speaker 5: America first, and an alley of Trump and we need
Speaker 5: more governors Trump and needs more governors that support his agenda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely didn't last very long at all.
Speaker 2: Now we have to talk about Baronet Trump, the son
Speaker 2: of course of Millennia and Donald Trump, who has once
Speaker 2: again stolen the show at the inauguration. The internet is
Speaker 2: a buzz talking about how tall and stature this man
Speaker 2: is and say that he is a president in waiting.
Speaker 2: I tend to agree, Kosher. We know that he played
Speaker 2: quite a pivotal part in his father's election campaign. He
Speaker 2: was the one who encouraged him to go on podcasts
Speaker 2: like Joe Rogan, which really helped him get over the line.
Speaker 4: But you just look at him. He's so staunch, he's
Speaker 4: a strong man.
Speaker 2: And I think he's going to be a future leader.
Speaker 4: What do you think.
Speaker 5: He's got a lot of the ry ingredients. So people
Speaker 5: love the Trump kids and the Trump family. They're also
Speaker 5: well together, they're very attractive, they're smart, they're accomplished.
Speaker 4: All of that.
Speaker 5: And he was just a little ten year old boy
Speaker 5: the last time around, and they've sort of been keeping
Speaker 5: him out of the limelight, very private people in Milannia famously,
Speaker 5: and now he's back thrust onto the scene. So tall
Speaker 5: and that he's six foot seven. Yeah, he's completely grown
Speaker 5: up in front of our eyes. And as you mentioned,
Speaker 5: he pleaded a pivotal rule in his media strategy. He
Speaker 5: seems to love the crowd and the energy, but like
Speaker 5: his mother, he doesn't see much. He's a little bit
Speaker 5: of an enigma, and I think that will strive him
Speaker 5: well where he's creating a lot of interest and he
Speaker 5: may burst out onto the scene at some point in
Speaker 5: the future.
Speaker 2: I completely agree all eyes on Baron. I just think
Speaker 2: he's an absolute start. Now, speaking of his mother, we've
Speaker 2: got to talk about the fashion because Milania looked very
Speaker 2: sharp today, but her hat got in the way of
Speaker 2: an important photo opportunity. Have a look. Well, you can't help,
Speaker 2: you know. Trump gave it a go. But meanwhile, Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Bezos's fiance's outfit was a little laingerie number. It's raised
Speaker 2: some eyebrows, and I've got to say it looked like
Speaker 2: it raised Mark Zuckerberg's eyebrows too.
Speaker 4: We've got some vision there.
Speaker 2: He couldn't keep his eyes off her as well. But look,
Speaker 2: I thought, look, firstly, Milania, I thought looked lovely.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure about this outfit. What do you think? Agree?
Speaker 5: I call him Milania's outfit high fashion war path, because
Speaker 5: there's a message to send here. It's like, you know,
Speaker 5: this is my space. It's like an armor. Don't mess
Speaker 5: with me. And the fashion industry very openly snubbed her
Speaker 5: the first time around, you objectively as was gorgeous first lady,
Speaker 5: and they said they wouldn't dress her and never put
Speaker 5: her on the cover of magazines, as she'd already been
Speaker 5: on them previously, et cetera exactly. And Jeff Bezis' fiance,
Speaker 5: I think she should have.
Speaker 4: Chosen something questionable. It's questionable kosher, it certainly is.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: It's been wonderful to speak with you. Thanks for joining
Speaker 2: me to unpack what's been a historic day in the US.
Speaker 4: Appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Coachher Gata, thank you joining me now. Is Newsweek Senior
Speaker 2: editor at Large and Article three Project Senior Counsel, Josh Hammer, Josh,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me. Look, I've got
Speaker 2: to say it's finally happened.
Speaker 4: The world is healing. Order is restored already.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump will issue an order ending federal diversity, equity
Speaker 2: and inclusion programs. Hallelujah, finally now this order will instruct
Speaker 2: senior officials in the White House Office of Management and
Speaker 2: Budget and the Office of Personnel Management to determine what
Speaker 2: programs need to be gutted. Josh, it's finally going to
Speaker 2: be merit all the way, not based on race, not
Speaker 2: based on gender, but on merit. Has the post woke
Speaker 2: world begun? Do you think.
Speaker 1: It's definitely beginning? You know, this actually goes back to
Speaker 1: the final year of the first Trump administration. So in
Speaker 1: the very final months the first trumpministration, my friend Chris
Speaker 1: Ruffer was working really hard to get DEI banned in
Speaker 1: the federal government. And now here we are right out
Speaker 1: of the gate, and we're doing it literally on D one.
Speaker 1: And it's not just DEI that's being banned in the
Speaker 1: federal government. It's also gender ideology. It's also the transgender
Speaker 1: Agenda that was a separate executive order that that was
Speaker 1: implemented earlier. Today as well, the federal government of the
Speaker 1: United States now stands by the policy that there are
Speaker 1: two and precisely two genders. There is male and there
Speaker 1: is female, and that is it. So we are really
Speaker 1: seeing the prudential use of government power to fight back
Speaker 1: against the woll agenda. There and It's a beautiful sight
Speaker 1: to behold there. I mean, it's hard to keep up, frankly,
Speaker 1: with all the executive orders that are coming through there,
Speaker 1: whether it's immigration, whether it's energy, whether it's Trump withdrawing
Speaker 1: from the WHO, the World Health Organization there, putting American
Speaker 1: forces on the southern and potentially in the northern Warwick, Canada.
Speaker 1: But the point is that this is morning in America. Again,
Speaker 1: as Ronald Reagan would have said, there, it is a
Speaker 1: joyous day. I was grinning ear to ear watching this inauguration,
Speaker 1: watching him sign these executive orders. The thing about Donald
Speaker 1: Trump also, I have to say there, he's just such
Speaker 1: a funny, entertaining person there. I've been watching him on
Speaker 1: television here basically all day, grinning ear to ear. I
Speaker 1: miss this free daily Trump entertainment as well. I have
Speaker 1: to say that as well.
Speaker 2: Oh look and more to calm. I completely agree. And
Speaker 2: I just want to pick you up on what you
Speaker 2: mentioned there that Donald Trump has declared that the US
Speaker 2: will only recognize two genders, male and female.
Speaker 4: This is what he said.
Speaker 8: As of today.
Speaker 6: It will henceforth be the official policy of the United
Speaker 6: States government that there are only two genders, male and female.
Speaker 2: Josh, This would have been virtually unthinkable years ago. People said, no,
Speaker 2: you can't say that because it's offensive.
Speaker 4: You're a bigot. You can't do that. Can't say that.
Speaker 2: What does it say about where we are now in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump understands something very important that a lot of
Speaker 1: other Republican politicians here in the US do not understand.
Speaker 1: Let me explain what that is. So there's been a
Speaker 1: debate on the American right for a very long time
Speaker 1: as to the relationship between culture and politics. So, for instance,
Speaker 1: the late great Andrew Breitbart, the founder of the website Brightbar,
Speaker 1: famously said that that culture is upstream of politics, basically
Speaker 1: that if you want to control politics, it's downstream of culture.
Speaker 1: You have to control the culture first. I have always
Speaker 1: thought that that's a little too qte by half, because
Speaker 1: culture and politics operating in a two way street, where
Speaker 1: the culture can fit the politic politics can also affect
Speaker 1: the culture. I think Donald Trump understands that, he intuits
Speaker 1: that he understands that, he understands that when it comes
Speaker 1: to civilizational issues, questions of the human person, of human anthropology,
Speaker 1: such as male and female, God created them, you have
Speaker 1: to choose you actually cannot take the so called neutral
Speaker 1: way out. You actually have to make a decision and
Speaker 1: put a thumb on the scale. Here. This is an
Speaker 1: example of making that decision, of having the courage to
Speaker 1: actually do that and to lead by political example, and
Speaker 1: the culture ultimately God willing to hear America will follow
Speaker 1: as well. There. So you know, he's a little older.
Speaker 1: He's won the older American president, not as old as
Speaker 1: the previous guy. But he nonetheless, I think in terms
Speaker 1: of his understanding between culture and politics is actually very
Speaker 1: new and edgy in a way that a lot of
Speaker 1: the Republican old guards still resists to this day. That's
Speaker 1: their loss in his gain them absolutely.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really interesting observation you spot on. Now, look,
Speaker 2: let's talk about transparency. Trump is vowed to release long
Speaker 2: classified government records on the assassination of John F. Kennedy,
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior, and Robert F. Kennedy. This is
Speaker 2: what he said, we are.
Speaker 7: Going to make public remaining records relating to the assassinations
Speaker 7: of President John F. Kennedy, his brother.
Speaker 6: Robert Kennedy, as well as doctor Martin.
Speaker 4: Luther King Junior. Josh.
Speaker 2: So he's vowing to restore government transparency. Why is this
Speaker 2: so important in this administration.
Speaker 1: Well, it's important because Americans trust in government right now
Speaker 1: is at an all time historic low. I mean, Americans
Speaker 1: have not distrusted the government this much, probably in the
Speaker 1: entire history of modern American public polling. I mean, I
Speaker 1: couldn't even tell you when the last one I think
Speaker 1: will be even close to this, maybe the Jimmy Carter
Speaker 1: years of stagflation in the Iran hostage crisis. Probably even
Speaker 1: including that though. So, if you want to try to
Speaker 1: get the American people back on your side, well, the
Speaker 1: easiest way to do that is with good policy. You
Speaker 1: need to get the economy humming again, to seal the
Speaker 1: southern border with Mexico there, to get peace on the
Speaker 1: global stage in the Middle East, Russia, Ukraine so forth.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 1: Another fairly easy way is to show that you stand
Speaker 1: with the peoples. So when the American people have long
Speaker 1: standing questions that they're not getting clear answers from from
Speaker 1: the government, give them the answers again unless there is
Speaker 1: a truly, truly, truly compelling national security reason there. But frankly,
Speaker 1: when it comes to something like the JFK assassination. It's
Speaker 1: been sixty years. I mean, whatever national security implications there
Speaker 1: might have been at the height of the Cuban missile
Speaker 1: crisis with the Soviet Union, you know, that's literally decades
Speaker 1: in the past at this point there, So why not,
Speaker 1: I say, why not? Heck, I say, at this point,
Speaker 1: I want to know whether there are aliens at Area
Speaker 1: fifty one out in Nevada outside of Las Vegas. I
Speaker 1: suspect probably not. But while we're going down this rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: why not keep it coming. There's a lot of questions
Speaker 1: out there. I suspent Donald Trump's going to give us
Speaker 1: a lot of fun answers.
Speaker 2: Oh, look, what do we want to know the answers
Speaker 2: to that, I completely agree. You're going down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: So I think just just keep going, keep going, strike
Speaker 2: while the eye and is hot. Now, I thought this
Speaker 2: was particularly interesting, though unsurprising. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: were booed entering the capital for the inauguration.
Speaker 4: Have a look at this president in the.
Speaker 1: United States, Joseph.
Speaker 2: Of the United States, Well, Josh, look, they're all MAGA
Speaker 2: supporters there. They were never going to give them a
Speaker 2: rousing reception. But it brings into question because Biden leaves
Speaker 2: office with historically low approval ratings, Kamala is still dancing
Speaker 2: about like a moron with interchanging accents.
Speaker 4: It seems like America.
Speaker 2: Really has had enough of those two.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's difficult to put into words
Speaker 1: just the utter shambles that the Democratic Party is currently
Speaker 1: in here. First of all, they all hate each other,
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Bill and
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, the titans of the current Democratic Party throwing
Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer. I guess as well there they actually genuinely
Speaker 1: cannot stand each other. A lot of this gets back
Speaker 1: to the major divide this past summer as to whether
Speaker 1: or not to kick Joe Biden off the ticket and
Speaker 1: put in Kamala Harris. A lot of these simmering divides
Speaker 1: to this day have not fully heals from that, but
Speaker 1: more to the points their agenda, especially the post two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, post Barack Obama, post woke, intersectional identity
Speaker 1: politics coalition of the aggrieved interest coalition. It's all been
Speaker 1: emphatically rejected one because it's totally divisive. There, Barack Obama
Speaker 1: and Joe Biden claimed to be uniers. All they did
Speaker 1: actually was pit one Americans against the other, whether it
Speaker 1: was white versus black, whether it was the vaccinated against
Speaker 1: the unvaccinated, Team red versus Team Blue, you name it.
Speaker 1: There they have been massive, massive dividers. And more's the point.
Speaker 1: Their policy has just been utterly catastrophic. Whether it is inflation,
Speaker 1: whether it is the economy, whether it is crime in
Speaker 1: America's urban corridors, people getting pushed, god forbid on the
Speaker 1: subway cars in New York City, stories like the Daniel
Speaker 1: Penny story there the women lit on fire. Foreign policy,
Speaker 1: I mean the Middle East, Russia, Ukraine, China looking like
Speaker 1: the gun invade Taiwan every day is basically a hot
Speaker 1: spot all across the world. There they have failed, and
Speaker 1: they have failed catastrophically. And the best part is, as
Speaker 1: someone's personally who wishes the Democrats nothing but horm the
Speaker 1: best part is I have no idea where they go
Speaker 1: from here. I genuinely am glad that that is not
Speaker 1: my problem because I actually do not know what the
Speaker 1: answer is. But I suspect that they're going to be
Speaker 1: in the political wilderness for some time now because there's
Speaker 1: no clear and easy answer as to how they possibly
Speaker 1: get themselves back to a place of respectability without somehow
Speaker 1: sacrificing their far left beast as well. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you walk that tape rope. I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: they know how to do it either.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that they did it to themselves, didn't they.
Speaker 2: But this is all that their own doing. They're in
Speaker 2: this mess because that they were too slow to change
Speaker 2: the candidates. So look, we'll see what happens over the
Speaker 2: next few years.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: In his last Actors, President, Joe Biden issued sweeping preemptive
Speaker 2: pardons for his entire family, as well as former COVID
Speaker 2: advisor doctor Anthony Fauci, retired General Mark Milly, and members
Speaker 2: of the January sixth Committee to quote shield them from
Speaker 2: politically motivated prosecutions under the Trump administration. Josh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think this was unsurprising. He was always going do it.
Speaker 2: But what do you make of this at the eleventh
Speaker 2: hour to go and issue these pardons.
Speaker 1: It's just truly shameful stuff. You know, Joe Biden told
Speaker 1: us time and time again that the reason that you
Speaker 1: had to vote for Joe Biden, and then after the
Speaker 1: Democrats pulled their bloodless coup that you had to vote
Speaker 1: for Kamala Harris. He said, time and time again, you
Speaker 1: gotta vote for Team Blue. You gotta vote for the
Speaker 1: Democrats because the other guy, Donald Trump, he's a Hitler
Speaker 1: fascist nazi there, who's going to blow up the constitution.
Speaker 1: He hates norms. How many times over the past four
Speaker 1: years and we've been lectured time and time again about
Speaker 1: about how the January sixth guy is a great perpetrator
Speaker 1: when it comes to desecrating American norms there, and then
Speaker 1: you fast forward to the past few months here, especially
Speaker 1: since the election in November. How many norms is Joe
Speaker 1: Biden going to blow up in flames on his way
Speaker 1: out the door here? I mean, it's basically like he's
Speaker 1: taken the match. He's taken entire, entire reservoir of gasoline
Speaker 1: and just poured an entire box of matches on fire
Speaker 1: into this gasoline on the way out there. On Friday,
Speaker 1: he tweeted that he was recognizing a new constitutional amendment.
Speaker 1: The National Archives here was like, dude, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's not how the constitutional process works. These pardons at
Speaker 1: the last hour parentally partnering the Biden family, his brother
Speaker 1: Jim Biden, five or six family members there fifteen minutes,
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes before Donald Trump was to put his hand
Speaker 1: on the Bible and take of office. I can't believe this.
Speaker 1: I mean like, it makes America look so patently silly,
Speaker 1: so patently tribal, and frankly, so patently third world. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait for this guy to get out of office,
Speaker 1: to get the heck off my television screen. Frankly, I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a very long time until
Speaker 1: we hear from him again. It actually went shock me. Frankly,
Speaker 1: if we don't hear from him again until his funeral.
Speaker 2: Look, I think we've all been thinking the sign let's
Speaker 2: be realistic, and I agree it was completely dodging, totally
Speaker 2: dodgy of him fifteen minutes before that inauguration.
Speaker 4: Now, look, let's move on.
Speaker 2: Because the family of Dorin Steinbercher, one of the three
Speaker 2: Israeley hostages frayed from Humus this week, has thanked Donald
Speaker 2: Trump for her release, saying, we also extend our gratitude
Speaker 2: to Trump for his significant involvement and support, which means
Speaker 2: so much to us. Here was Donald Trump talking about
Speaker 2: the situation in the Middle East.
Speaker 6: My proudest legacy will be that of a peacemaker and unifier.
Speaker 6: That's what I want to be, a peacemaker and a unifier.
Speaker 6: I'm pleased to say that as of yesterday, one day
Speaker 6: before I assumed the office, the hostages in the Middle
Speaker 6: East are coming back home to their families.
Speaker 2: Josh, how much of this deal and what's going on
Speaker 2: right now in the Middle East can be put down
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump's influence and his very strong words leading
Speaker 2: up to the inauguration.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that the recent ceasefire hostage deal is
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly due to Donald Trump and his Middle East Special
Speaker 1: ENVOYE Seek Steve Whitcoff. I mean, you look at the
Speaker 1: fact that Joe Biden, Tony blankn and Bret McGirk and
Speaker 1: that whole national security team, if you can even call
Speaker 1: it that, they tried for a very long time, literally
Speaker 1: over a year, to get a second deal since the
Speaker 1: initial one in November twenty twenty three, they couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: Trump and Whitcoff got involved. In a matter of days
Speaker 1: it was done. So I think they're overwhelmingly responsible for
Speaker 1: this particular deal. I guess though, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: I would sound the note of caution. I'm not frankly
Speaker 1: in love with this deal. To be very honest with you,
Speaker 1: it's amazing that these hostages are released. Obviously, if I
Speaker 1: were one of the family members, I would want to
Speaker 1: do everything possible that goes without saying there. I worry
Speaker 1: though about the incentives that this sense. When you are
Speaker 1: trading hundreds, hundreds, thousands, frankly of the most hardened jihad
Speaker 1: Is terrorists out there for just a few dozen hostages there,
Speaker 1: what incentives does that send about trying to reward terrorism,
Speaker 1: trying to incentivize further hostage shaking there. Ultimately, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a push come to shove situation. Is prime mister
Speaker 1: net Niya, who's going to have the political capital and
Speaker 1: the political will to send the IDF back into Godz
Speaker 1: That finished the job there? Because I want to be
Speaker 1: very clear about this, Unless and until Hamas is decapitated
Speaker 1: and fully destroyed as a military and political organization, got
Speaker 1: unlessen until that happens, Israel will have lost this war.
Speaker 1: That's a very very very important thing to remember. I
Speaker 1: believe Donald Trump understands that there. But we'll find out
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we certainly will. We'll see how this one plays out.
Speaker 2: Josh hammup, good to catch up. Thanks very much for
Speaker 2: joining me on the show this evening.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Still to come an extended edition of Lefties Losing It.
Speaker 4: Now, it's time for Lefties.
Speaker 2: Losing It coming up per Joe Biden Extravaganza.
Speaker 4: You won't want to miss this one. We've conned deep into.
Speaker 2: The archives to dig up the best of old gaffy
Speaker 2: Joe as he finally finishes up as president. But first
Speaker 2: q the inauguration lefty meltdowns because Donald Trump is back baby. Yes,
Speaker 2: some of those were even from the first inauguration, but
Speaker 2: this time round, it's music to my ears. The screams
Speaker 2: really warm my heart because we love to say it,
Speaker 2: don't we. It's over for the woke lefties who are
Speaker 2: just so desperately trying to stay relevant in this new
Speaker 2: era of optimism.
Speaker 4: You're the Karens. Please.
Speaker 2: I would rather wear underwear full of angry bees than
Speaker 2: watch the inauguration on Monday. Okay then, and of course,
Speaker 2: when all else fails, make a public service announcement.
Speaker 9: I don't know about you, but I will not be
Speaker 9: watching the inauguration, not during the inauguration, not after the inauguration,
Speaker 9: not any part of it on the news. Who's with me?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, please please stop everything.
Speaker 4: If Karen wasn't watching, is it going to watch?
Speaker 2: Trump should have definitely canceled that inauguration. That's a huge
Speaker 2: blow for number forty seven. He will be absolutely devastated.
Speaker 2: I mean, what will these lefties do for the next
Speaker 2: four years? A lying, felon and adjudicated rapist is going
Speaker 2: to be taking an oath on the Bible, and you
Speaker 2: wonder why the world is laughing at us? And look,
Speaker 2: please spare a thought for Alexandria Ocazio Cortez, who is
Speaker 2: just not okay all.
Speaker 9: These journalists really. Congresswomen, are you going to the inauguration? Congresswoman,
Speaker 9: are you going to the inauguration? Are you going to
Speaker 9: the inauguration? Let me make myself clear. I don't celebrate rapists,
Speaker 9: So no, I'm not going to the inauguration.
Speaker 2: Round Oh so so sad again, what will Donald Trump
Speaker 2: do without you?
Speaker 4: Now to Don Lemon, the.
Speaker 2: Sacked Sea host who is continuing on a slippery slope
Speaker 2: into the never never, I mean, the poor guy is
Speaker 2: absolutely grasping at every straw possible.
Speaker 10: Here's the breaking news for you. Remember people were upset
Speaker 10: that Joe Biden pardon his son Hunter Biden. Will Joe Biden?
Speaker 10: President Biden pardons his family on last day in office.
Speaker 10: Why is he doing that? Is it unprecedented? Yeah, it
Speaker 10: is unusual, But it's also because of the unprecedented unusual
Speaker 10: administration that we have coming in and he cannot trust
Speaker 10: his family in the hands of Donald Trump's Justice Department.
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, don Now is this the same preemptive pardons
Speaker 2: that the Democrats warned Trump against for years?
Speaker 11: Have you ever heard of somebody getting a preemptive pardon
Speaker 11: who was innocent of all crime, who's just an innocent person?
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 12: Just somebody getting a blanket pardon and they're an innocent person.
Speaker 12: But no, it's the president's own family.
Speaker 8: It's people have been covering up for the president in
Speaker 8: addition to his own family.
Speaker 11: If he pardons people preemptively, he's essentially telling the public
Speaker 11: that these people have committed crimes and we may not
Speaker 11: be aware of what they are, but the pardon is
Speaker 11: clear evidence that crimes have been committed.
Speaker 12: The idea of a kind of prospective pardon, this sort
Speaker 12: of permanent federal get out of jail free card. That
Speaker 12: seems to be what we're talking about in the case
Speaker 12: of this right with Juliani and his three eldest children,
Speaker 12: who as far we know don't have not been convicted
Speaker 12: of a crime. Maybe they've committed a lot and they
Speaker 12: don't want to face action. I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 12: I wouldn't ask for a pardon. I don't think I
Speaker 12: deserve one because I don't think I've done anything criminal.
Speaker 2: But like, where does that come from?
Speaker 12: That concept you can just kind of wave your magic
Speaker 12: pardon one?
Speaker 2: Ah, I never learned, and has anyone saying, don lemon,
Speaker 2: Donny your faults.
Speaker 4: On that place?
Speaker 10: Anyone Ask anyone who knows me, They'll tell you. I
Speaker 10: don't believe in belittling people.
Speaker 4: Link anyone.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what I thought, Donnie. Now to the
Speaker 2: moment you've all been waiting for, the Joe Biden Gaffriel, and.
Speaker 4: What a spectacle we have for you.
Speaker 2: Here is the now former leader of the free world,
Speaker 2: who we were told was healthy, thriving, sharp as attack
Speaker 2: and rigorous, when really he was a potato.
Speaker 4: This whole time being.
Speaker 2: Propped up by stage Mum Jill Biden, please cue the tape.
Speaker 3: The total initiative relative to what we're going to do
Speaker 3: with more border patrol and more CYBUN officers.
Speaker 6: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at
Speaker 6: the end of this center. I don't think he knows
Speaker 6: what he said either.
Speaker 3: America is a nation that can be defined in a
Speaker 3: single word. I doesn't foot him the foot. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have picked Vice President Trump to be vice president? Do
Speaker 3: I think she was not qualified to be president? And
Speaker 3: now I want to hand it over to the President
Speaker 3: of Ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, President putin, imagine what we.
Speaker 4: Could do next.
Speaker 1: Or more years or.
Speaker 2: Me?
Speaker 4: No one's seen them, no pall sense.
Speaker 2: Then look, it brings a tear to my eyes, doesn't
Speaker 2: it It really it's it's a somber moment.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a real sad moment. I mean, what
Speaker 4: are we going to do without him?
Speaker 1: Bye?
Speaker 2: Bye, Joe still to come? Professor Max Abrams joins me
Speaker 2: to explain what Trump's second presidency means for international security.
Speaker 2: Joining me now is international security expert Professor Max Abrams, Max,
Speaker 2: nice to see you. Thank you very much for joining me.
Speaker 2: Let's start with this story that's on the front page
Speaker 2: over in the US. Donald Trump, on day one, plans
Speaker 2: to suspend security clearances of fifty one intelligence officials who
Speaker 2: dismissed Hunter Biden's laptop as Russian disinformation in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Now this involves a so called spies who lies. You
Speaker 2: can see there, Max, What message does Trump's repeal send.
Speaker 8: I think the message is very clear, and that is,
Speaker 8: you know, the establishment is done. The twenty twenty election
Speaker 8: arguably was helped substantially by these fifty one shady Intel
Speaker 8: official because at that time their Hunter's laptop showed that
Speaker 8: the Bidens were extremely corrupt and at the behest of
Speaker 8: the Biden campaign. Right the Biden campaign actually asked for this.
Speaker 8: These fifty one Intel agents attested that, you know, essentially
Speaker 8: we could dismiss the laptop, that it probably wasn't Hunters,
Speaker 8: that it had the earmarks of Russian disinformation. And shortly
Speaker 8: after I'm talking within a couple of weeks, there was
Speaker 8: a major presidential debate between Trump and Biden, and when
Speaker 8: the topic of the laptop came up, Biden was able
Speaker 8: to dismiss it by pointing to this letter by the
Speaker 8: fifty one agents saying that you know the laptop was Russian.
Speaker 8: And so I think that Trump may blame these fifty
Speaker 8: one Intel agents. It's for Biden's victory at the least.
Speaker 8: What it shows is that the Intel agents are corrupt,
Speaker 8: that they're partisan, and they're perfectly willing to engage in
Speaker 8: election interference. So I'm happy for Trump to revoke their
Speaker 8: security clearances. They shouldn't be able to tack his presidency
Speaker 8: like we saw previously. These are clearly partisan hacks who
Speaker 8: certainly place no value on the truth.
Speaker 2: No which is a threat to America. I mean, these
Speaker 2: people are supposed to be in such high positions. So
Speaker 2: I think it's such a smart move by Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: straight off the back.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: The President will also launch a new anti drug advertising
Speaker 2: campaign to show the physical impact of taking drugs like fentanyl.
Speaker 4: Have a look at this.
Speaker 6: We're going to advertise how bad drugs are for you, how.
Speaker 5: Bad they are.
Speaker 7: They ruin your look, they're ruin your faith, They're ruined
Speaker 7: your skin, and ruin your teeth. If you want to
Speaker 7: have horrible teeth, take a lot of fent at all,
Speaker 7: do you want to have skin that looks so terrible?
Speaker 5: Take fent at all. We're going to do.
Speaker 6: We're going to show what these drugs are doing to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, straight down the line. Not mincing his words there,
Speaker 2: but Donald Trump has also revived a campaign vowing to
Speaker 2: designate Mexico's drug cartels as terrorist groups.
Speaker 6: Under the orders I signed today, we will also be
Speaker 6: designating the cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. I will direct
Speaker 6: our government to use the full and immense power of
Speaker 6: federal and state law enforcement to eliminate the presence of
Speaker 6: all foreign gangs and criminal networks bringing devastating crime to US.
Speaker 4: Soil Max.
Speaker 2: What will this mean to classify Mexican cartels as terrorist groups?
Speaker 2: And will it help fight the scourge of drugs from
Speaker 2: over the border.
Speaker 8: What I think Trump is trying to signal here is
Speaker 8: that border security is national security, and that was really
Speaker 8: one of his big advantages over the Biden administration, which
Speaker 8: saw an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants. I mean, we're
Speaker 8: talking large numbers, you know, maybe twelve million, thirteen million,
Speaker 8: fourteen million, We're not even entirely sure, but the number
Speaker 8: is big, and naturally, some of them came into the
Speaker 8: United States and produced heinous crimes. And so Trump, you know,
Speaker 8: who was mocked previously for saying that securing the border
Speaker 8: was important, is now fully committed to that agenda. And
Speaker 8: part of that is cracking down on the fentanyl. That's
Speaker 8: the main drug that is supplied by the Mexican cartels.
Speaker 8: And what he is trying to do is elevate the
Speaker 8: cartels to a terrorism problem by designating them as a
Speaker 8: foreign terrorist organization. And there are all sorts of ways
Speaker 8: that Trump might really crack down on these cartels. Some
Speaker 8: of it would be through the treasury, some of it
Speaker 8: would be deploying troops. We could be talking about kinetic
Speaker 8: operations inside of Mexico. I've heard that floated as well.
Speaker 8: I'm not entirely sure what Trump will do with these cartels.
Speaker 8: I don't think anybody knows at this point. But by
Speaker 8: saying this, he's elevating the cartels to a traditional national
Speaker 8: security problem in the form of a foreign terrorist organization
Speaker 8: like Al Qaeda, like Islamic State.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, I think it's a good move,
Speaker 2: no doubt it's a crisis. And he's also very very
Speaker 2: quickly standing firm. What it does come to that border
Speaker 2: crisis because he said that he declare illegal immigration at
Speaker 2: the US Mexico border a national emergency, send troops there,
Speaker 2: and ramp up deportations of criminal offenders. This is what
Speaker 2: he said.
Speaker 6: First, I will declare a national emergency at our southern border.
Speaker 6: All illegal entry will immediately be halted, and we will
Speaker 6: begin the process of returning millions and millions of criminal
Speaker 6: aliens back to the places from which they came.
Speaker 4: Max.
Speaker 2: It's interesting Donald Trump said he will invoke US seventeen
Speaker 2: ninety eight wartime law known as the Alien Enemies Act
Speaker 2: to target foreign gang members in the US.
Speaker 4: What will this do?
Speaker 2: What sort of an impact do you think this is
Speaker 2: going to have.
Speaker 8: I think that there are a number of steps in
Speaker 8: this process. One step is that there will not be
Speaker 8: new illegal immigrants coming into the United States. On top
Speaker 8: of that, the more difficult problem is what to do
Speaker 8: with the illegals currently in the United States. And the
Speaker 8: even more difficult problem is what to do in cases
Speaker 8: when illegal immigrants inside the United States have had children.
Speaker 8: And it's honestly not entirely clear what Trump is going
Speaker 8: to do with the extant illegal immigrants in the United States.
Speaker 8: We know that there will be deportations, even mass deportations.
Speaker 8: Those might start with illegals who, on top of that
Speaker 8: criminal behavior, have conducted other crimes. So we're not entirely
Speaker 8: sure which illegals, whether it's all illegals, will be forcefully removed,
Speaker 8: but certainly some of them. That's what he is pledging
Speaker 8: to do. And interestingly, that sets up conflict between the
Speaker 8: federal government and some seats which are left leaning, and
Speaker 8: especially in cities that are so called sanctuary cities, which
Speaker 8: say that they're essentially going to oppose federal law. And
Speaker 8: so we'll see how all of this shakes down. But
Speaker 8: a huge part of the MAGA movement has really focused
Speaker 8: on this porous border, the prevention of illegals, the removal
Speaker 8: of them inside the country, and with it a reduction
Speaker 8: in crime, which really has been elevated in a number
Speaker 8: of American cities.
Speaker 2: Oh look, absolutely, and this is one of the big
Speaker 2: topics that Donald Trump was elected on, so he's acting
Speaker 2: on it very quickly. Now I want to talk about
Speaker 2: this preemptive part and given by Joe Biden at the
Speaker 2: eleventh hour to General Martin Miley, a former top officer
Speaker 2: in the US military. Now this was all due to
Speaker 2: that chaotic Afghanistan withdrawal in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: Miley has previously admitted.
Speaker 2: That the withdrawal there where thirteen US troops lost their lives.
Speaker 2: He admitted at the time that it was a strategic failure.
Speaker 2: But Max, Okay, he may have been preemptly pardoned here,
Speaker 2: but does he still need to be held to account.
Speaker 8: Well, that may be the case. I think that there's
Speaker 8: a big political element to all of this, and I
Speaker 8: think that Trump really heats Miley for a number of reasons.
Speaker 8: I mean, one of them is this botched withdrawal which
Speaker 8: ended up killing thirteen Americans. It was also based on
Speaker 8: a very poor understanding of Afghanistan, which highlighted a much
Speaker 8: broader problem because with drop was predicated on this idea
Speaker 8: that the Taliban wasn't going to swiftly take over the country,
Speaker 8: which obviously was an assumption based on a terrible understanding
Speaker 8: of Afghanistan after all that time. On top of that,
Speaker 8: there's more to the bad blood between Trump and Miley. Miley,
Speaker 8: you know, was the joint the joint Chief of staff
Speaker 8: head under Trump, and he was seen as being almost
Speaker 8: treasonous making phone calls with the Chinese uh conversations, uh
Speaker 8: with the Roan going behind President Trump's back, and then
Speaker 8: after Trump essentially campaigning against Trump and calling him a
Speaker 8: fascist and a wanna be dictator. And so there was
Speaker 8: a concern that Trump was going to, you know, go
Speaker 8: after Miley, and you know, these are very partisan times,
Speaker 8: and Biden wanted to make sure that you know, might
Speaker 8: be you know, wouldn't get in trouble for it. So
Speaker 8: that's really the backstory behind all of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's truly fascinating down at the eleventh hour,
Speaker 2: in those final moments of his presidency. Very fascinating. Max Abrams,
Speaker 2: nice to catch up with you. Thanks very much for
Speaker 2: joining me on the show this evening.
Speaker 8: My pleasure.
Speaker 4: That's it for me. Up next is News Night, Good Night,