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Speaker 1: On Sky Lives Australia. This is the winder Panale Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panehe Show. I'm

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Speaker 2: Danikiti Giorgio. Coming up tonight number forty seven. Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: is officially sworn in as President of the United States.

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Speaker 2: We will have full coverage of the historic event with

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Speaker 2: Kosher Gada. Is this the end of woke? Trump immediately

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Speaker 2: signs executive orders only recognizing male and female genders and

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Speaker 2: has also banned DEEI programs. Josh Hammer is standing by

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Speaker 2: Max Abrams on the president's crackdown on Mexican cartels and

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Speaker 2: illegal aliens, and of course left he's losing it as

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Speaker 2: we say farewell to a man who resembled a potato

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Speaker 2: instead of a president.

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Speaker 3: America is a nation that can be defined in a

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Speaker 3: single word.

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Speaker 2: I was joining me now is Sky News contributor Koshergada. Kosher,

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Speaker 2: great to see you, Thank you so much. Look, it's

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Speaker 2: been a huge day. Has it a very historic day,

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Speaker 2: not just for the United States but for the whole world.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to get through, but firstly I want

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Speaker 2: to start on this because Donald Trump has signed pardons

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Speaker 2: for around fifteen hundred participants in the January sixth, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one riot at the US Capitol Kosher.

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Speaker 4: He was always going to do that. He's surprised so.

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Speaker 2: That this was his first port of call.

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Speaker 5: This was definitely a key signature issue. Expectations among his

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Speaker 5: base were very, very high. There was a little bit

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Speaker 5: of a question mark. There were some reports coming out

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Speaker 5: there that maybe he won't do all of them, maybe

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Speaker 5: it won't be a blanket pardon possibly, and there was

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Speaker 5: a little bit of a civil war going on within

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Speaker 5: his base about that. But he delivered to them. And

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Speaker 5: I think on the heels of what Biden did today,

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Speaker 5: which is the other big story of all his pardons

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Speaker 5: preemptively to controversial figures and his family members, he just

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Speaker 5: really paved the way for this. I think it's all

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Speaker 5: fifteen hundred. There's six people where he's commuted their sentences,

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Speaker 5: and they might eventually result in a pardon, but all

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Speaker 5: in this is a full cleansing of what pretty much

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Speaker 5: most of the country as an order prosecution of Americans

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Speaker 5: have been in there for four years, with the punishment

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Speaker 5: that far outpeaced the crimes committed.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think that there will be a lot

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Speaker 2: of supporters celebrating this decision. But yeah, interesting, it was

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Speaker 2: one of his first orders. But speaking of Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: has signed more than two hundred executive orders on his

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Speaker 2: first day. I've got to say kosher. He really wasted

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Speaker 2: no time because you look at the footage. He went

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Speaker 2: from the inauguration to the actual celebrations themselves, and then

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Speaker 2: suddenly he was ushered into an office where the cameras

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Speaker 2: were on him as he was signing one executive order

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Speaker 2: after another. What are some of the key items on

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Speaker 2: that list?

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Speaker 5: And you know, it's unlike anything I've ever seen, at

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Speaker 5: least in the past several presidents. It's because six months

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Speaker 5: leading up to this, he already had funded, privately funded

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Speaker 5: his transition team, and all of these ducks were in

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Speaker 5: a row ready to go legally, and everything else on

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Speaker 5: his desk. It spans again at the pardons, like we

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Speaker 5: just talked about hiring freezers for the federal government, forcing

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Speaker 5: people to come back into work physically in the office

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Speaker 5: five days a week. Post COVID declaring a national emergency

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Speaker 5: at the border, which is going to unlock a whole

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Speaker 5: host of other things that come out of that. On

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Speaker 5: his immigration issue, we're drawing from certain international agreements. We're

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Speaker 5: drawing from the World Health Organization, which many people are

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Speaker 5: angry about post COVID. And there's another of fifteen that

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Speaker 5: I'm not even mentioning.

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Speaker 2: No, that's fair enough. I do want to go through

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Speaker 2: some of the more international ones soon. But it feels

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Speaker 2: like he's really trying to clean up the public service

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Speaker 2: with these executive executive orders. Why do you think that

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Speaker 2: is a priority for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: That's one thing where with the swipe of a pen

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Speaker 5: he can do it, because that is where the executive

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Speaker 5: branch has jurisdiction, that's in his purview. And a lot

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Speaker 5: of it is just enforcing laws around the books or

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Speaker 5: trying to shrink the bloat of government. All the doge

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Speaker 5: cutting and all that will fall into that as well.

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Speaker 5: Some of them he's testing the limit of the law

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Speaker 5: by design, for example, ending birthright citizenship, which I think

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Speaker 5: no country, maybe one other country has this, ending birth

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Speaker 5: right citizenship for illegally. For example, you come in illegally,

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Speaker 5: you have a baby, you don't automatically eat you a

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Speaker 5: citizenship that will be tested in the courts, and he

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Speaker 5: knows that. So summer in that category, but a lot

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Speaker 5: of the other ones, to your point is just it

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Speaker 5: falls in his purview. He's not wasting any time and

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Speaker 4: He's just going full speed.

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Speaker 2: He's absolutely going full speed. And what do you think

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Speaker 2: that this says about the sort of president that he

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Speaker 2: of them he made promises before the election he won

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Speaker 2: on that mandate, he's getting straight down to business. What

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Speaker 2: do you think the next four years will be like?

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Speaker 5: If today's any indication, and let's hope he doesn't lose steam,

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Speaker 5: we really are going to see huge change and huge disruption.

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Speaker 5: You know, this was such a high contrast election in

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Speaker 5: every which way, interests of policy, in terms of substance,

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Speaker 5: in terms of style, in terms of energy, in terms

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Speaker 5: of stamina, all of it. And today is finally the

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Speaker 5: fruits of that labor of what was a very hard

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Speaker 5: an indication of what's to come, it's not going to

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Speaker 5: the attacks from the other side have fizzled out so

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Speaker 5: that it's hard for them to rerun those attacks. And

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Speaker 5: you'd have to think that somebody who's been impeached and dted, convicted,

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Speaker 5: almost assassinated is a changed human being, has nothing to lose,

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Speaker 5: and he's just going to leave everything out on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a very interesting four years

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Speaker 2: ahead of today, is anything to go by, boy, We're.

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Speaker 4: In for a fascinating ride.

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Speaker 2: Now, we mentioned some of the international executive orders, and

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Speaker 2: I found this one to be particularly interesting because Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump has announced he is pulling out of the Paris

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Speaker 2: Climate Accord.

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Speaker 6: This is what he said, I'm immediately withdrawing from the unfair,

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Speaker 6: one sided Paris Climate Accord ripoff. The United States will

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Speaker 6: not sabotise our own industries.

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Speaker 4: Well, China pollutes with impunity, Kosher.

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Speaker 2: I want to get to the consequences for Australia in

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Speaker 2: a moment. But firstly, you know, Donald Trump's been professing

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Speaker 4: Come as a surprise.

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Speaker 2: But what does it mean now for climate targets that

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Speaker 5: It dismantles them. And this whole Paris Climate Accord has

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Speaker 5: been a yo yo where Obama signed them in as

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Speaker 5: soon as Trump won. The first time he withdrew there

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Speaker 5: Withdrew lost the election, Biden comes and reinstates it, and

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Speaker 5: now back to removing it. So each time that yoyo

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Speaker 5: think you know, as he said there, that it runs

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Speaker 5: antibetical to his agenda, which is US energy dominance, growing

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Speaker 5: industry at home, and these types of agreements. Even if

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Speaker 5: think most people do, these agreements don't get there. It's

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Speaker 5: just a massive transfer of power and transfer of wealth

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Speaker 5: means in time, when this stuff is unwound, it will

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Speaker 2: Well, hopefully this is a big wake up call for

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Speaker 2: going down under. But what does pulling out the Paris

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Speaker 2: Climate Accord now mean for Australia because it had been

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Speaker 2: foreshadowed for some time. Does it impact us at all?

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Speaker 5: Hopefully it gives a little bit of a permission structure

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Speaker 5: We're promised to abd I think signed on to it,

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Speaker 4: The rest of it.

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Speaker 5: So maybe this will We've got our own election coming

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Speaker 5: up over here. This might give paid the way for

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Speaker 5: that type of discussion. Also, just specifically that transfer of

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Speaker 5: wealth and power that we mentioned, The United States taxpayer

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Speaker 5: of through this accord, and if we pull out, if

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Speaker 5: the US pulls out, then that funding dries up, and

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Speaker 5: that may have some ripple effect to other countries, including Australia.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just quite it fascinating that he's putting America first,

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Speaker 2: which is exactly what he promised to do, and I

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Speaker 2: hope that that sets a standard for places like Australia first,

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Speaker 2: put your own country first and stop relying overseas. Now,

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Speaker 2: let's move on, because one of the other things that

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Speaker 2: was quite notable was the big tech titans who were

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Speaker 2: on full display at the inauguration. You had Mark Zuckerberg,

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Speaker 2: read that the combined net wealth of the billionaires who

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Speaker 2: which is absolutely phenomenal. Now, some of these tech giants

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Speaker 2: They're all suddenly kissing the ring. Why do you think

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Speaker 2: it's important in particular, not just for billionaires, but for

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Speaker 5: This is a big story from the selection. The tight

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Speaker 5: has turned because Trump turned it. They're sort of keen

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Speaker 5: Silicon Valley has been very favorable to the last in

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Speaker 5: It's not always in line with the America First, or

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Speaker 5: origin theories and all of that helped one side much

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Speaker 5: much more than the other. So it's really interesting from

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Speaker 5: to his inauguration fund and looking all chummy. I think

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Speaker 5: some of it might be self preservation or expediency on

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Speaker 5: their part, which is fine. You don't have to like

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Speaker 5: on board because if not, they'll be left behind.

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Speaker 2: But also, what does it say about Donald Trump as

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Speaker 2: a businessman, because you know, it would be easy just

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Speaker 2: to snub these people who have been quite rude to

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Speaker 2: him in public forums for many years. But he knows

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Speaker 2: how to foster relationships.

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Speaker 5: He really does, which is so funny given to us

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Speaker 5: the caricature that most of the world's media put on

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Speaker 5: him and painted him as he's actually very good at

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Speaker 5: he will CounterPunch. We all know that he's coarse in

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Speaker 2: I completely agree all eyes on Baron. I just think

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Speaker 2: It's been wonderful to speak with you. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 2: Coachher Gata, thank you joining me now. Is Newsweek Senior

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Speaker 2: editor at Large and Article three Project Senior Counsel, Josh Hammer, Josh,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me. Look, I've got

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Speaker 4: The world is healing. Order is restored already.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump will issue an order ending federal diversity, equity

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Speaker 2: and inclusion programs. Hallelujah, finally now this order will instruct

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Speaker 1: It's definitely beginning? You know, this actually goes back to

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Speaker 1: But the point is that this is morning in America. Again,

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Speaker 4: This is what he said.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump understands something very important that a lot of

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Speaker 2: let's talk about transparency. Trump is vowed to release long

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Speaker 1: Well, it's important because Americans trust in government right now

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Speaker 1: is at an all time historic low. I mean, Americans

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Speaker 1: have not distrusted the government this much, probably in the

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Speaker 1: entire history of modern American public polling. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: couldn't even tell you when the last one I think

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Speaker 1: will be even close to this, maybe the Jimmy Carter

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Speaker 1: years of stagflation in the Iran hostage crisis. Probably even

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Speaker 1: including that though. So, if you want to try to

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Speaker 1: get the American people back on your side, well, the

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Speaker 1: easiest way to do that is with good policy. You

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Speaker 1: need to get the economy humming again, to seal the

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Speaker 1: southern border with Mexico there, to get peace on the

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Speaker 1: global stage in the Middle East, Russia, Ukraine so forth.

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 1: Another fairly easy way is to show that you stand

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Speaker 1: with the peoples. So when the American people have long

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Speaker 1: standing questions that they're not getting clear answers from from

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Speaker 1: the government, give them the answers again unless there is

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Speaker 1: a truly, truly, truly compelling national security reason there. But frankly,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to something like the JFK assassination. It's

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Speaker 1: been sixty years. I mean, whatever national security implications there

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Speaker 1: might have been at the height of the Cuban missile

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Speaker 1: crisis with the Soviet Union, you know, that's literally decades

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Speaker 1: in the past at this point there, So why not,

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Speaker 1: I say, why not? Heck, I say, at this point,

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Speaker 1: I want to know whether there are aliens at Area

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Speaker 1: fifty one out in Nevada outside of Las Vegas. I

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Speaker 1: suspect probably not. But while we're going down this rabbit hole,

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Speaker 1: why not keep it coming. There's a lot of questions

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Speaker 1: out there. I suspent Donald Trump's going to give us

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun answers.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, what do we want to know the answers

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Speaker 2: to that, I completely agree. You're going down the rabbit hole.

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Speaker 2: So I think just just keep going, keep going, strike

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Speaker 2: while the eye and is hot. Now, I thought this

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Speaker 2: was particularly interesting, though unsurprising. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: were booed entering the capital for the inauguration.

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Speaker 4: Have a look at this president in the.

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Speaker 1: United States, Joseph.

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Speaker 2: Of the United States, Well, Josh, look, they're all MAGA

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Speaker 2: supporters there. They were never going to give them a

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Speaker 2: rousing reception. But it brings into question because Biden leaves

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Speaker 2: office with historically low approval ratings, Kamala is still dancing

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Speaker 2: about like a moron with interchanging accents.

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Speaker 4: It seems like America.

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Speaker 2: Really has had enough of those two.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think it's difficult to put into words

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Speaker 1: just the utter shambles that the Democratic Party is currently

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Speaker 1: in here. First of all, they all hate each other,

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, Bill and

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, the titans of the current Democratic Party throwing

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer. I guess as well there they actually genuinely

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Speaker 1: cannot stand each other. A lot of this gets back

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Speaker 1: to the major divide this past summer as to whether

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Speaker 1: or not to kick Joe Biden off the ticket and

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Speaker 1: put in Kamala Harris. A lot of these simmering divides

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Speaker 1: to this day have not fully heals from that, but

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Speaker 1: more to the points their agenda, especially the post two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, post Barack Obama, post woke, intersectional identity

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Speaker 1: politics coalition of the aggrieved interest coalition. It's all been

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Speaker 1: emphatically rejected one because it's totally divisive. There, Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: and Joe Biden claimed to be uniers. All they did

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Speaker 1: actually was pit one Americans against the other, whether it

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Speaker 1: was white versus black, whether it was the vaccinated against

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Speaker 1: the unvaccinated, Team red versus Team Blue, you name it.

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Speaker 1: There they have been massive, massive dividers. And more's the point.

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Speaker 1: Their policy has just been utterly catastrophic. Whether it is inflation,

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Speaker 1: whether it is the economy, whether it is crime in

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Speaker 1: America's urban corridors, people getting pushed, god forbid on the

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Speaker 1: subway cars in New York City, stories like the Daniel

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Speaker 1: Penny story there the women lit on fire. Foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: I mean the Middle East, Russia, Ukraine, China looking like

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Speaker 1: the gun invade Taiwan every day is basically a hot

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Speaker 1: spot all across the world. There they have failed, and

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Speaker 1: they have failed catastrophically. And the best part is, as

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Speaker 1: someone's personally who wishes the Democrats nothing but horm the

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Speaker 1: best part is I have no idea where they go

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Speaker 1: from here. I genuinely am glad that that is not

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Speaker 1: my problem because I actually do not know what the

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Speaker 1: answer is. But I suspect that they're going to be

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Speaker 1: in the political wilderness for some time now because there's

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Speaker 1: no clear and easy answer as to how they possibly

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Speaker 1: get themselves back to a place of respectability without somehow

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Speaker 1: sacrificing their far left beast as well. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you walk that tape rope. I'm not sure that

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Speaker 1: they know how to do it either.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean that they did it to themselves, didn't they.

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Speaker 2: But this is all that their own doing. They're in

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Speaker 2: this mess because that they were too slow to change

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Speaker 2: the candidates. So look, we'll see what happens over the

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Speaker 2: next few years.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: In his last Actors, President, Joe Biden issued sweeping preemptive

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Speaker 2: pardons for his entire family, as well as former COVID

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Speaker 2: advisor doctor Anthony Fauci, retired General Mark Milly, and members

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Speaker 2: of the January sixth Committee to quote shield them from

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Speaker 2: politically motivated prosecutions under the Trump administration. Josh, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think this was unsurprising. He was always going do it.

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Speaker 2: But what do you make of this at the eleventh

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Speaker 2: hour to go and issue these pardons.

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Speaker 1: It's just truly shameful stuff. You know, Joe Biden told

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Speaker 1: us time and time again that the reason that you

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Speaker 1: had to vote for Joe Biden, and then after the

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Speaker 1: Democrats pulled their bloodless coup that you had to vote

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Speaker 1: for Kamala Harris. He said, time and time again, you

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Speaker 1: gotta vote for Team Blue. You gotta vote for the

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Speaker 1: Democrats because the other guy, Donald Trump, he's a Hitler

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Speaker 1: fascist nazi there, who's going to blow up the constitution.

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Speaker 1: He hates norms. How many times over the past four

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Speaker 1: years and we've been lectured time and time again about

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Speaker 1: about how the January sixth guy is a great perpetrator

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Speaker 1: when it comes to desecrating American norms there, and then

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Speaker 1: you fast forward to the past few months here, especially

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Speaker 1: since the election in November. How many norms is Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden going to blow up in flames on his way

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Speaker 1: out the door here? I mean, it's basically like he's

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Speaker 1: taken the match. He's taken entire, entire reservoir of gasoline

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Speaker 1: and just poured an entire box of matches on fire

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Speaker 1: into this gasoline on the way out there. On Friday,

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Speaker 1: he tweeted that he was recognizing a new constitutional amendment.

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Speaker 1: The National Archives here was like, dude, you can't do that.

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Speaker 1: That's not how the constitutional process works. These pardons at

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Speaker 1: the last hour parentally partnering the Biden family, his brother

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Speaker 1: Jim Biden, five or six family members there fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes before Donald Trump was to put his hand

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Speaker 1: on the Bible and take of office. I can't believe this.

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Speaker 1: I mean like, it makes America look so patently silly,

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Speaker 1: so patently tribal, and frankly, so patently third world. I

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Speaker 1: cannot wait for this guy to get out of office,

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Speaker 1: to get the heck off my television screen. Frankly, I

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Speaker 1: think it's going to be a very long time until

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Speaker 1: we hear from him again. It actually went shock me. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: if we don't hear from him again until his funeral.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think we've all been thinking the sign let's

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Speaker 2: be realistic, and I agree it was completely dodging, totally

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Speaker 2: dodgy of him fifteen minutes before that inauguration.

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Speaker 4: Now, look, let's move on.

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Speaker 2: Because the family of Dorin Steinbercher, one of the three

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Speaker 2: Israeley hostages frayed from Humus this week, has thanked Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump for her release, saying, we also extend our gratitude

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Speaker 2: to Trump for his significant involvement and support, which means

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Speaker 2: so much to us. Here was Donald Trump talking about

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Speaker 2: the situation in the Middle East.

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Speaker 6: My proudest legacy will be that of a peacemaker and unifier.

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Speaker 6: That's what I want to be, a peacemaker and a unifier.

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Speaker 6: I'm pleased to say that as of yesterday, one day

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Speaker 6: before I assumed the office, the hostages in the Middle

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Speaker 6: East are coming back home to their families.

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Speaker 2: Josh, how much of this deal and what's going on

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Speaker 2: right now in the Middle East can be put down

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Speaker 2: to Donald Trump's influence and his very strong words leading

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Speaker 2: up to the inauguration.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that the recent ceasefire hostage deal is

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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly due to Donald Trump and his Middle East Special

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Speaker 1: ENVOYE Seek Steve Whitcoff. I mean, you look at the

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Speaker 1: fact that Joe Biden, Tony blankn and Bret McGirk and

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Speaker 1: that whole national security team, if you can even call

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Speaker 1: it that, they tried for a very long time, literally

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Speaker 1: over a year, to get a second deal since the

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Speaker 1: initial one in November twenty twenty three, they couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Trump and Whitcoff got involved. In a matter of days

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Speaker 1: it was done. So I think they're overwhelmingly responsible for

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Speaker 1: this particular deal. I guess though, if I'm being honest,

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Speaker 1: I would sound the note of caution. I'm not frankly

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Speaker 1: in love with this deal. To be very honest with you,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing that these hostages are released. Obviously, if I

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Speaker 1: were one of the family members, I would want to

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Speaker 1: do everything possible that goes without saying there. I worry

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Speaker 1: though about the incentives that this sense. When you are

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Speaker 1: trading hundreds, hundreds, thousands, frankly of the most hardened jihad

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Speaker 1: Is terrorists out there for just a few dozen hostages there,

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Speaker 1: what incentives does that send about trying to reward terrorism,

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Speaker 1: trying to incentivize further hostage shaking there. Ultimately, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a push come to shove situation. Is prime mister

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Speaker 1: net Niya, who's going to have the political capital and

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Speaker 1: the political will to send the IDF back into Godz

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Speaker 1: That finished the job there? Because I want to be

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Speaker 1: very clear about this, Unless and until Hamas is decapitated

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Speaker 1: and fully destroyed as a military and political organization, got

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Speaker 1: unlessen until that happens, Israel will have lost this war.

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Speaker 1: That's a very very very important thing to remember. I

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Speaker 1: believe Donald Trump understands that there. But we'll find out

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Speaker 1: sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we certainly will. We'll see how this one plays out.

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Speaker 2: Josh hammup, good to catch up. Thanks very much for

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Speaker 2: joining me on the show this evening.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Still to come an extended edition of Lefties Losing It.

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Speaker 4: Now, it's time for Lefties.

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Speaker 2: Losing It coming up per Joe Biden Extravaganza.

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Speaker 4: You won't want to miss this one. We've conned deep into.

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Speaker 2: The archives to dig up the best of old gaffy

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Speaker 2: Joe as he finally finishes up as president. But first

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Speaker 2: q the inauguration lefty meltdowns because Donald Trump is back baby. Yes,

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Speaker 2: some of those were even from the first inauguration, but

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Speaker 2: this time round, it's music to my ears. The screams

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Speaker 2: really warm my heart because we love to say it,

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Speaker 2: don't we. It's over for the woke lefties who are

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Speaker 2: just so desperately trying to stay relevant in this new

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Speaker 2: era of optimism.

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Speaker 4: You're the Karens. Please.

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Speaker 2: I would rather wear underwear full of angry bees than

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Speaker 2: watch the inauguration on Monday. Okay then, and of course,

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Speaker 2: when all else fails, make a public service announcement.

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Speaker 9: I don't know about you, but I will not be

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Speaker 9: watching the inauguration, not during the inauguration, not after the inauguration,

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Speaker 9: not any part of it on the news. Who's with me?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, please please stop everything.

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Speaker 4: If Karen wasn't watching, is it going to watch?

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Speaker 2: Trump should have definitely canceled that inauguration. That's a huge

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Speaker 2: blow for number forty seven. He will be absolutely devastated.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what will these lefties do for the next

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Speaker 2: four years? A lying, felon and adjudicated rapist is going

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Speaker 2: to be taking an oath on the Bible, and you

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Speaker 2: wonder why the world is laughing at us? And look,

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Speaker 2: please spare a thought for Alexandria Ocazio Cortez, who is

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Speaker 2: just not okay all.

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Speaker 9: These journalists really. Congresswomen, are you going to the inauguration? Congresswoman,

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Speaker 9: are you going to the inauguration? Are you going to

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Speaker 9: the inauguration? Let me make myself clear. I don't celebrate rapists,

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Speaker 9: So no, I'm not going to the inauguration.

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Speaker 2: Round Oh so so sad again, what will Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: do without you?

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Speaker 4: Now to Don Lemon, the.

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Speaker 2: Sacked Sea host who is continuing on a slippery slope

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Speaker 2: into the never never, I mean, the poor guy is

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Speaker 2: absolutely grasping at every straw possible.

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Speaker 10: Here's the breaking news for you. Remember people were upset

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Speaker 10: that Joe Biden pardon his son Hunter Biden. Will Joe Biden?

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Speaker 10: President Biden pardons his family on last day in office.

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Speaker 10: Why is he doing that? Is it unprecedented? Yeah, it

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Speaker 10: is unusual, But it's also because of the unprecedented unusual

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Speaker 10: administration that we have coming in and he cannot trust

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Speaker 10: his family in the hands of Donald Trump's Justice Department.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, don Now is this the same preemptive pardons

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Speaker 2: that the Democrats warned Trump against for years?

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Speaker 11: Have you ever heard of somebody getting a preemptive pardon

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Speaker 11: who was innocent of all crime, who's just an innocent person?

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Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of that?

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Speaker 12: Just somebody getting a blanket pardon and they're an innocent person.

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Speaker 12: But no, it's the president's own family.

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Speaker 8: It's people have been covering up for the president in

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Speaker 8: addition to his own family.

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Speaker 11: If he pardons people preemptively, he's essentially telling the public

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Speaker 11: that these people have committed crimes and we may not

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Speaker 11: be aware of what they are, but the pardon is

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Speaker 11: clear evidence that crimes have been committed.

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Speaker 12: The idea of a kind of prospective pardon, this sort

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Speaker 12: of permanent federal get out of jail free card. That

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Speaker 12: seems to be what we're talking about in the case

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Speaker 12: of this right with Juliani and his three eldest children,

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Speaker 12: who as far we know don't have not been convicted

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Speaker 12: of a crime. Maybe they've committed a lot and they

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Speaker 12: don't want to face action. I don't know, it's weird.

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Speaker 12: I wouldn't ask for a pardon. I don't think I

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Speaker 12: deserve one because I don't think I've done anything criminal.

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Speaker 2: But like, where does that come from?

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Speaker 12: That concept you can just kind of wave your magic

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Speaker 12: pardon one?

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Speaker 2: Ah, I never learned, and has anyone saying, don lemon,

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Speaker 2: Donny your faults.

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Speaker 4: On that place?

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Speaker 10: Anyone Ask anyone who knows me, They'll tell you. I

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Speaker 10: don't believe in belittling people.

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Speaker 4: Link anyone.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what I thought, Donnie. Now to the

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Speaker 2: moment you've all been waiting for, the Joe Biden Gaffriel, and.

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Speaker 4: What a spectacle we have for you.

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Speaker 2: Here is the now former leader of the free world,

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Speaker 2: who we were told was healthy, thriving, sharp as attack

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Speaker 2: and rigorous, when really he was a potato.

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Speaker 4: This whole time being.

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Speaker 2: Propped up by stage Mum Jill Biden, please cue the tape.

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Speaker 3: The total initiative relative to what we're going to do

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Speaker 3: with more border patrol and more CYBUN officers.

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Speaker 6: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at

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Speaker 6: the end of this center. I don't think he knows

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Speaker 6: what he said either.

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Speaker 3: America is a nation that can be defined in a

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Speaker 3: single word. I doesn't foot him the foot. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have picked Vice President Trump to be vice president? Do

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Speaker 3: I think she was not qualified to be president? And

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Speaker 3: now I want to hand it over to the President

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Speaker 3: of Ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, President putin, imagine what we.

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Speaker 4: Could do next.

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Speaker 1: Or more years or.

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Speaker 2: Me?

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Speaker 4: No one's seen them, no pall sense.

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Speaker 2: Then look, it brings a tear to my eyes, doesn't

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Speaker 2: it It really it's it's a somber moment.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a real sad moment. I mean, what

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Speaker 4: are we going to do without him?

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Speaker 1: Bye?

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Speaker 2: Bye, Joe still to come? Professor Max Abrams joins me

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Speaker 2: to explain what Trump's second presidency means for international security.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is international security expert Professor Max Abrams, Max,

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Speaker 2: nice to see you. Thank you very much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with this story that's on the front page

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Speaker 2: over in the US. Donald Trump, on day one, plans

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Speaker 2: to suspend security clearances of fifty one intelligence officials who

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Speaker 2: dismissed Hunter Biden's laptop as Russian disinformation in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Now this involves a so called spies who lies. You

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Speaker 2: can see there, Max, What message does Trump's repeal send.

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Speaker 8: I think the message is very clear, and that is,

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Speaker 8: you know, the establishment is done. The twenty twenty election

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Speaker 8: arguably was helped substantially by these fifty one shady Intel

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Speaker 8: official because at that time their Hunter's laptop showed that

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Speaker 8: the Bidens were extremely corrupt and at the behest of

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Speaker 8: the Biden campaign. Right the Biden campaign actually asked for this.

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Speaker 8: These fifty one Intel agents attested that, you know, essentially

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Speaker 8: we could dismiss the laptop, that it probably wasn't Hunters,

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Speaker 8: that it had the earmarks of Russian disinformation. And shortly

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Speaker 8: after I'm talking within a couple of weeks, there was

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Speaker 8: a major presidential debate between Trump and Biden, and when

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Speaker 8: the topic of the laptop came up, Biden was able

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Speaker 8: to dismiss it by pointing to this letter by the

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Speaker 8: fifty one agents saying that you know the laptop was Russian.

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Speaker 8: And so I think that Trump may blame these fifty

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Speaker 8: one Intel agents. It's for Biden's victory at the least.

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Speaker 8: What it shows is that the Intel agents are corrupt,

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Speaker 8: that they're partisan, and they're perfectly willing to engage in

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Speaker 8: election interference. So I'm happy for Trump to revoke their

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Speaker 8: security clearances. They shouldn't be able to tack his presidency

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Speaker 8: like we saw previously. These are clearly partisan hacks who

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Speaker 8: certainly place no value on the truth.

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Speaker 2: No which is a threat to America. I mean, these

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Speaker 2: people are supposed to be in such high positions. So

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Speaker 2: I think it's such a smart move by Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: straight off the back.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: The President will also launch a new anti drug advertising

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Speaker 2: campaign to show the physical impact of taking drugs like fentanyl.

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Speaker 4: Have a look at this.

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Speaker 6: We're going to advertise how bad drugs are for you, how.

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Speaker 5: Bad they are.

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Speaker 7: They ruin your look, they're ruin your faith, They're ruined

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Speaker 7: your skin, and ruin your teeth. If you want to

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Speaker 7: have horrible teeth, take a lot of fent at all,

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Speaker 7: do you want to have skin that looks so terrible?

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Speaker 5: Take fent at all. We're going to do.

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Speaker 6: We're going to show what these drugs are doing to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, straight down the line. Not mincing his words there,

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Speaker 2: but Donald Trump has also revived a campaign vowing to

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Speaker 2: designate Mexico's drug cartels as terrorist groups.

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Speaker 6: Under the orders I signed today, we will also be

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Speaker 6: designating the cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. I will direct

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Speaker 6: our government to use the full and immense power of

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Speaker 6: federal and state law enforcement to eliminate the presence of

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Speaker 6: all foreign gangs and criminal networks bringing devastating crime to US.

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Speaker 4: Soil Max.

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Speaker 2: What will this mean to classify Mexican cartels as terrorist groups?

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Speaker 2: And will it help fight the scourge of drugs from

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Speaker 2: over the border.

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Speaker 8: What I think Trump is trying to signal here is

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Speaker 8: that border security is national security, and that was really

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Speaker 8: one of his big advantages over the Biden administration, which

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Speaker 8: saw an unprecedented number of illegal immigrants. I mean, we're

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Speaker 8: talking large numbers, you know, maybe twelve million, thirteen million,

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Speaker 8: fourteen million, We're not even entirely sure, but the number

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Speaker 8: is big, and naturally, some of them came into the

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Speaker 8: United States and produced heinous crimes. And so Trump, you know,

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Speaker 8: who was mocked previously for saying that securing the border

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Speaker 8: was important, is now fully committed to that agenda. And

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Speaker 8: part of that is cracking down on the fentanyl. That's

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Speaker 8: the main drug that is supplied by the Mexican cartels.

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Speaker 8: And what he is trying to do is elevate the

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Speaker 8: cartels to a terrorism problem by designating them as a

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Speaker 8: foreign terrorist organization. And there are all sorts of ways

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Speaker 8: that Trump might really crack down on these cartels. Some

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Speaker 8: of it would be through the treasury, some of it

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Speaker 8: would be deploying troops. We could be talking about kinetic

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Speaker 8: operations inside of Mexico. I've heard that floated as well.

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Speaker 8: I'm not entirely sure what Trump will do with these cartels.

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Speaker 8: I don't think anybody knows at this point. But by

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Speaker 8: saying this, he's elevating the cartels to a traditional national

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Speaker 8: security problem in the form of a foreign terrorist organization

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Speaker 8: like Al Qaeda, like Islamic State.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, I think it's a good move,

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Speaker 2: no doubt it's a crisis. And he's also very very

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Speaker 2: quickly standing firm. What it does come to that border

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Speaker 2: crisis because he said that he declare illegal immigration at

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Speaker 2: the US Mexico border a national emergency, send troops there,

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Speaker 2: and ramp up deportations of criminal offenders. This is what

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Speaker 2: he said.

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Speaker 6: First, I will declare a national emergency at our southern border.

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Speaker 6: All illegal entry will immediately be halted, and we will

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Speaker 6: begin the process of returning millions and millions of criminal

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Speaker 6: aliens back to the places from which they came.

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Speaker 4: Max.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting Donald Trump said he will invoke US seventeen

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Speaker 2: ninety eight wartime law known as the Alien Enemies Act

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Speaker 2: to target foreign gang members in the US.

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Speaker 4: What will this do?

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Speaker 2: What sort of an impact do you think this is

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Speaker 2: going to have.

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Speaker 8: I think that there are a number of steps in

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Speaker 8: this process. One step is that there will not be

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Speaker 8: new illegal immigrants coming into the United States. On top

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Speaker 8: of that, the more difficult problem is what to do

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Speaker 8: with the illegals currently in the United States. And the

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Speaker 8: even more difficult problem is what to do in cases

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Speaker 8: when illegal immigrants inside the United States have had children.

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Speaker 8: And it's honestly not entirely clear what Trump is going

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Speaker 8: to do with the extant illegal immigrants in the United States.

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Speaker 8: We know that there will be deportations, even mass deportations.

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Speaker 8: Those might start with illegals who, on top of that

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Speaker 8: criminal behavior, have conducted other crimes. So we're not entirely

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Speaker 8: sure which illegals, whether it's all illegals, will be forcefully removed,

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Speaker 8: but certainly some of them. That's what he is pledging

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Speaker 8: to do. And interestingly, that sets up conflict between the

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Speaker 8: federal government and some seats which are left leaning, and

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Speaker 8: especially in cities that are so called sanctuary cities, which

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Speaker 8: say that they're essentially going to oppose federal law. And

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Speaker 8: so we'll see how all of this shakes down. But

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Speaker 8: a huge part of the MAGA movement has really focused

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Speaker 8: on this porous border, the prevention of illegals, the removal

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Speaker 8: of them inside the country, and with it a reduction

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Speaker 8: in crime, which really has been elevated in a number

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Speaker 8: of American cities.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, absolutely, and this is one of the big

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Speaker 2: topics that Donald Trump was elected on, so he's acting

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Speaker 2: on it very quickly. Now I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: this preemptive part and given by Joe Biden at the

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Speaker 2: eleventh hour to General Martin Miley, a former top officer

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Speaker 2: in the US military. Now this was all due to

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Speaker 2: that chaotic Afghanistan withdrawal in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Miley has previously admitted.

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Speaker 2: That the withdrawal there where thirteen US troops lost their lives.

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Speaker 2: He admitted at the time that it was a strategic failure.

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Speaker 2: But Max, Okay, he may have been preemptly pardoned here,

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Speaker 2: but does he still need to be held to account.

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Speaker 8: Well, that may be the case. I think that there's

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Speaker 8: a big political element to all of this, and I

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Speaker 8: think that Trump really heats Miley for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 8: I mean, one of them is this botched withdrawal which

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Speaker 8: ended up killing thirteen Americans. It was also based on

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Speaker 8: a very poor understanding of Afghanistan, which highlighted a much

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Speaker 8: broader problem because with drop was predicated on this idea

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Speaker 8: that the Taliban wasn't going to swiftly take over the country,

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Speaker 8: which obviously was an assumption based on a terrible understanding

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Speaker 8: of Afghanistan after all that time. On top of that,

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Speaker 8: there's more to the bad blood between Trump and Miley. Miley,

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Speaker 8: you know, was the joint the joint Chief of staff

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Speaker 8: head under Trump, and he was seen as being almost

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Speaker 8: treasonous making phone calls with the Chinese uh conversations, uh

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Speaker 8: with the Roan going behind President Trump's back, and then

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Speaker 8: after Trump essentially campaigning against Trump and calling him a

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Speaker 8: fascist and a wanna be dictator. And so there was

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Speaker 8: a concern that Trump was going to, you know, go

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Speaker 8: after Miley, and you know, these are very partisan times,

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Speaker 8: and Biden wanted to make sure that you know, might

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Speaker 8: be you know, wouldn't get in trouble for it. So

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Speaker 8: that's really the backstory behind all of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's truly fascinating down at the eleventh hour,

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Speaker 2: in those final moments of his presidency. Very fascinating. Max Abrams,

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Speaker 2: nice to catch up with you. Thanks very much for

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Speaker 2: joining me on the show this evening.

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Speaker 8: My pleasure.

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Speaker 4: That's it for me. Up next is News Night, Good Night,