WEBVTT - Sharri | 18 June 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:09.440 Line Sharry Well, good evening. I'm James Macpherson filling in 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.360 for Sharry Marks And Last week Prime Minister Anthony Albanese 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.080 was asked about prices at a sausage sizzle in Sydney. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:19.919 Triple M radio host Mick malloy told the PM that 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.439 Vivid Festival was charging Australian's eight dollars fifty for a 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.960 sausage in bread, and he wondered what Albanese he thought. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.880 The PM replied immediately that it was and I quote 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.519 rubbish and UnAustralian. Absolutely have listened. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.040 Eight dollars fifty for a sausage sizzle at Vivid. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:39.599 Can you do something about that? 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.040 No, that's just rubbish, isn't it. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:42.880 It's un Australian. 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:48.760 I'll tell you it is Australian absolutely, So there you go. 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.479 The PM can take a stand when he wants to. 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.400 It's just a pity that he reserves his strongest condemnation 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.520 for the price of a snag in bread. If only 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.760 the Chinese premiere was a sausage. Whilst standing firm on 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.600 the rights of Australians to access affordable sausage sizzles, the 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.200 PM was rather less firm on the rights of Australian 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.240 journalists to not be physically intimidated, harassed or blocked on 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:15.520 home soil by foreign agents. When asked today what he 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.000 thought about the way in which Chinese officials had treated 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.240 Australian journalists Chang Lay during a press conference in Canbury yesterday, 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.800 the PM had only this to say, we. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.440 Have different values in different political systems, and we saw 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.399 some of that yesterday. I've got to say with the 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:39.679 attempt that was pretty ham fisted to block Cheng Lay, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:45.200 the Australian journalists who were able to get brought home 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.800 at the press conference, and there was a clumsy attempt 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.440 really to just stand in between where the cameras were 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:53.640 and Chang Lay. 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.280 Ham fisted and clumsy. It's an interesting choice of words 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.520 to describe an attempt by Chinese officials to bully an 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.800 Australian journalist. You might have expected our national leader to 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.600 describe the behavior as unacceptable or wrong. 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:10.120 But you don't need to. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.480 Ask the PM about a sausage sizzle to elicit that 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.799 kind of moral clarity, or rather, you would need to 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.280 ask him about a sausage sizzle to describe the treatment 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.880 dished out to Chang lay as clumsy is to imply 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.639 there wasn't anything inherently wrong with what the Chinese did. 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.160 It was just the way in which the Chinese did it, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:31.520 those clumsy authoritarians. If only they exercised their totalitarian instincts 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.000 on our people in a more graceful and skillful way. 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.200 The Prime Minister dismissed the incident as an example of 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:43.720 and they quote different values and different political systems, Well, yeah, 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.560 the Chinese premiere comes from a different political system. It's 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.799 an authoritarian dictatorship in which political opponents are harassed, harangued, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.600 and in some cases jailed for long periods without trial. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.880 In fact, that's exactly what happened to Chang Li, who 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.760 has released less than a year ago after spending more 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.560 than three years in a dank prison cell on trumped 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:08.560 up chargers. For Chinese officials to treat any Australian journalists 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.079 the way they did yesterday is unacceptable. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.120 But to do it to a woman who'd been. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.680 A pawn in Beijing's hostage diplomacy as recently as last 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.880 October is not clumsy or ham fisted. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.440 It's outrageous. Later in the day, the Prime Minister told 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:24.800 ABC Radio. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.160 Our officials have followed up with the Chinese embassy to 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:30.320 express our concern. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.440 Great so our people have told their people that their 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.480 people ought to be less clumsy when harassing our people. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.480 Oh and we hope this doesn't mean we won't be 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.720 getting our pandas. Describing the treatment of chang Lay as 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.160 clumsy reminds me of Albanesi describing the treatment of our 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.400 servicemen as unprofessional after a Chinese jet led off flares 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:51.360 in front of one of our. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:52.560 Helicopters last month. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.800 What is unprofessional in those circumstances, even mean it was 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.520 an amateurish attempt. 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.480 At endangering our forces. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.160 Chinese are going to down one of our helicopters over 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.480 the Yelloca, they should do it properly, you know, in 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.680 a professional manner. Last November, when a Chinese warship used 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.040 sonar to injure Australian Navy divers in International wars off 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.320 the coast of Japan, Albanzi described the incident as regrettable, 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.719 which begs the question regrettable for whom? For the Chinese, 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:25.520 hardly for the Australian Navy diver who was injured, undoubtedly 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:30.760 for Anthony Albanesi well most certainly he seemed then as 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.440 he does now to highly regret being put in a 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:37.040 position where he has to defend Australians and Australian interests 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.880 from the Chinese Commonist Party. Little wonder Beijing dubbed him 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.520 their handsome boy. It's not the Chinese who are clumsy 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.960 or unprofessional, and it's certainly not the Chinese who have regret. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.800 They continue to push our buttons while boasting about how 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:55.359 mature and respectful the relationship is. What's regrettable is that 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.360 the Albanese government seems so intent on normalizing relations with China, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.279 prepared to normalize abuse from China. As my grandfather would 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:12.760 say if he was still alive, Albanezi is one silly sausage. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:13.080 Well. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.520 Coming up on the program tonight, the government's early learning 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.880 framework that's turning out toddlers into activists. I'll ask whether 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.839 parents even know what's going on at their child's daycare. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.520 Interest rates are on whole, but inflation is here to stay. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.359 Plus the new South Wales budget continues a trend of 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.880 rising state debt. I'll have the latest analysis from leading 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.600 economist Warren Hogan and from the rise of Nigel Faraja's 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.599 Reform Party to the death of the Tories and the 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:45.480 prospect of a man's summer calling slippery and unprincipled becoming PM. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.919 The UK election is shaking up. Will cross live to 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.240 London for the latest, but first let's go to my 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:56.000 panel former Speaker of the House Bromwin Bishop and National's. 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.000 MP Keith Pitt. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.720 Welcome to you both, Thanks for joining me. I want 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.880 to start with you, Bronwan. What's your reaction to Prime 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.080 Minister Anthony Albernese's response to the way that Changli was 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.919 treated Changli rather was treated yesterday. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:14.560 Look, I think the Chinese would be very satisfied. I 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:19.039 think the Chinese when the Prime Minister said different values 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.240 and different ways, that's putting it mildly. We are a 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:27.720 democracy there at totalitarian state. They see Australia as a 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.599 vassal state to pay tribute and they would be very 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.839 satisfied with the way in which Albanesi responded. That means 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.359 that the Chinese Communist Party have got Albanese in his 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.440 government just where they want them, and that in turn 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:48.040 raises the question of Communist Party of China interference in 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.200 our coming election, whether or not those people who turned 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.159 out to welcome the Premier. Are they going to be 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.360 subject to getting how to vote information in the coming election? 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.479 I think it is a very very series condition that 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.839 we have seen. The weakness of the Prime Minister is 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:09.120 inability to stand up for Australia and showing that he 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:13.400 will do anything to appeace Chinese approval. It just is 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:14.520 a very worrying time. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.160 Keith, what do you think, how should the Prime Minister 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.840 have responded to the events of yesterday. I mean it 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.640 was quite extraordinary that an Australian journalist will be treated 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.520 in that fashion, but even more extraordinary for the Prime 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.680 Minister to not come out immediately and condemn it. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.960 Well, with apologies to the Simpsons. Here in Australia, we 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.560 don't tolerate that sort of crap. That's the reality. And 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.280 unfortunately we have a federal Labor government who appear very 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.560 weak on this. They consider it to be reckless, awkward, uncomfortable. 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.120 But here in Australia we support freedom of the press, 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.800 freedom of expression, we support a democracy, a separation of 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.000 powers and that is something that's been defended in this 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.320 nation for decades and willing to the future. I think 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.240 it's an incredibly important thing that we must maintain. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:05.800 One little slip, one little. 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:10.680 Opening, one little opportunity for communism, socialism to take an 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.040 even greater hold in this country I think will be 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:13.800 detrimental to. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:14.840 All of us into the future. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.560 And it starts with this sort of nonsense. And the 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.440 Federal Labor government shouldn't have allowed it. Their response should 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.440 have been stronger, and they've still got the opportunity to 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:22.840 fix it. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:23.680 Yeah. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.840 Well, I think the reaction, which has been poor, to 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.200 say the least, only in Bolden's China to continue to 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.160 treat us in that fashion because they know there will 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:33.200 be no consequences. 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:33.880 Let's move on. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.760 In somewhat non shocking news, a Labour senator called for 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:42.040 the immediate recognition of a Palestinian state. A Fatima Payman, 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.040 well known for her history of anti Israel sentiment, wrote 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:48.800 an opinion piece published in El Jazeera. She said quote 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:53.000 by recognizing a Palestinian state, Australia would be affirming its 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:57.000 commitment to this universal principle that's of peace and frustrate 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:02.600 Israel's bid to crush such aspirations of the Palestinians. This 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.280 same Labor senator used the phrase from the River to 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.360 the Sea, which Anthony Alberzi then had to come out 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.360 and say was unacceptable to use that phrase. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.200 It was a call for violence. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.280 She pretty much ignored the Prime Minister and now she's 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:22.599 continuing ignoring labor policy, calling for immediate recognition of Palestine. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.479 What should Anthony ALBERESI do about. 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:29.319 This senator, Well, they have to consider her position obviously 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.760 next time she's up for reelection, that's for sure. But 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.000 I think he has to take a much more positive 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.800 stance that says you are there to represent the interests 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.840 of Australia and to serve the people you are elected 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:48.479 for your state that you come from, not to pursue 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:55.800 this absolute falsehood of genocide being perpetrated by the Israelis. 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:00.720 Genocide means this. In nineteen thirty nine, there were sixteen 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:05.959 million Jews in the world in nineteen In twenty twenty four, 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.640 there are still sixteen million Jews in the world because 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:17.360 six million were murdered. That is genocide, not a war 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:25.679 where Gaza invader or Haas invaded Israel and slaughtered twelve 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.360 hundred people and took hostages. I've not heard a word 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.360 from this woman about hostages or about the mutilation of women. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:40.000 She comes from a country where she should really appreciate 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.080 the freedom that she has in this country. And when 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.800 she calls for from the River to the Sea, that 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.559 is calling for more genocide and the murder of Jews. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.080 There's no two ways about it. That's exactly what it means. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.520 And she has to be reprimanded by the Prime Minister, 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.959 but of course he'll just show weakness again. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:00.720 Well, Keith. 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.320 Both the Coalition and the Labor Government slammed the Greens 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:09.120 the other week for stirring up hatred and creating social division. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.600 But here the Labor Party have got one of their 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.679 own senators. I mean, in this article for El Jazeira, 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.280 she praised the student activists who have set up encampments 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.839 in universities across the country to the point where Jewish 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.839 students have been afraid to go to class. So it's 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.600 a bit rich for the Labor Party to criticize the 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.360 Greens while they've got their own senator effectively doing the 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:32.400 same kinds of things. 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.720 Well, that's exactly right. I'm on a jointstanding committee with Fatimur. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.000 I got to tell you much. She's smart and articulate, 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.280 and on this issue, I disagree with her. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:44.400 Completely and wholeheartedly. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.120 But in the Labor Party they don't reward disobedience. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.480 Brody knows where I'm going here. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.960 They will crack down on this like a ton of 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.280 bricks have hit the poor senator from Western Australia because 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.840 her comments today, she's effectively said that the Prime Minister 0:11:59.920 --> 0:12:03.040 is spineless, has not held and not continuing to hold 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.120 a long held position that he had before he became 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.240 Prime Minister, before Labor came into government. I mean, that's 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.840 quite an extraordinary statement from a sitting senator in WA 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.800 in the Labor Party, and I don't think the unions 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.160 will let this continue. So I feel a bit sorry 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:21.439 for Fatima. Her comments are wrong. I disagree with them completely, 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.760 but in terms of the politics, I know what's coming 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.080 for and the Union basket will take her out. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.800 I think that's the most likely outcome. Yeah, well, I'm 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.640 not sure there'll be too for it at all. I 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:33.559 thought you might say. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.720 I think she needs to be where she needs to 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.160 face the reckoning because what she's doing is just so wrong. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.679 I mean, if anyone who analyzes the history of what 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.320 has happened in the Middle East in this area will 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:51.520 remember that in nineteen forty one, the Grand Mufti of 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:55.120 Jerusalem went to Hitler and said, please come and help 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:59.200 us kill the Jews in Israel, and Hitler said he 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.439 would do that food finished killing them in Europe because 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:06.560 the Grand Rouffi of Jerusalem wanted to be the leader 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.199 of a new Palestinian state. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.280 Well, I mean, if you do what Fatima is calling for, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.560 if you recognize Palestine immediately effectively, you're recognizing a terrorist 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.480 state because of course it's still run by Hamas. Let's 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.120 move on to more local politics. Simonhomes of Courts Climate 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.200 two hundred, group that bankrolled the Teal independent wave at 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.319 the last election, now has set its sites on unseating 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.280 more Coalition MPs. The group has identified at least nine 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.080 seats it will target at the next election, all of 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.480 which were won by the Coalition in twenty twenty two. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.800 Bromwin the Liberal Party may be vulnerable, but of course 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:46.120 last time the Teals won seats Scott Morrison was in office. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.560 This time with a labor government and the cost of 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.840 living pressures etc. Will the Teals have quite the same 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.800 appeal with their luxury beliefs. 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.079 Well, I think there are two points to make. First 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.600 of all, I don't think the same amount of money 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.920 is going to be available in the seat of mckella. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:10.440 The Teal spent one point two million dollars. There is 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.120 already one of their biggest donors who gave half a 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.160 million dollars last time won't be giving it this time. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.000 So I think it's a different ballgame. The second thing 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:25.440 is they stood on a platform of integrity and climate 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:30.960 change integrity. We've seen none on the climate change issue. 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:37.200 Where are the Teals campaigning about these monstrous proposals to 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:42.640 put these huge windmills out into the sea and interrupt 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.480 the whales transgression movements and so on. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:48.800 Where is their integritcy? 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.640 You've got to destroy the environment to save it, don't 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:52.120 you know that? 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:52.560 Well? 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.720 There, of course was the same argument with the Vietnam War. 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.280 Wasn't that as destroy the village to save it? 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.400 So you don't think the Teals will be as successful 0:14:59.400 --> 0:14:59.840 next time? 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.840 I don't all right, Keith the Nationals leader David Little Proud, 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:09.040 he's just gathing attack against voters in Teal seats, accusing 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.840 them of being out of touch with the struggles of 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.080 regional Australians have listened to what he. 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.040 Said, I just say to those viewers that are from 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.120 till seats, just take a little visit out west and 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.400 understand the burden you're asking us to bear. For you 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.520 to put your head on a pillow at night and 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.480 think that you've saved the world, you've actually destroyed much 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:29.920 of the environment where I live. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.960 Talk to me about the frustration that's being held being 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.840 felt by people in regional areas. Obviously, David Little Proud, 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.800 he seemed quite emotional actually speaking out about that today. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.440 Just how annoying is it for people in regional areas 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.800 to I guess they feel carry the burden of the 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:49.840 renewable project. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.680 Well, every day Australians can't afford more teals. That's the 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.560 reality that they can't afford to pay more for electricity, 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.800 they can't afford to pay more for the car they 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.680 kind of paid Ford to pay more for food and 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.840 rent and housing. And this is the reality of Labour's 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.280 policies which the Teals are supporting and. 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:10.400 Out in regional areas. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.480 I mean, this is the practical, this is the front line, 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.440 this is the common sense, and what labor is doing 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.640 is millions of hectares of solar panels, for example, which 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.680 need to be replaced every twenty years. Tens of thousands 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.680 of wind turbines in regional areas, they don't want them. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:29.800 Just look at the blow up you've got now for 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.680 or shore that's proposed for the south coast. Well, how 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.720 about we put them in the harbor. I mean Sydney 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:37.000 Harbor's a great spot. It's pretty windy there. I'm sure 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:38.800 bron would like to look out the window and see 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.560 a whopping, great big wind turbine that's higher than the 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.920 Harbor bridge. It'll attract tourisms for sure. I mean, I'm 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.240 sure that the Japanese and the Chinese will fly from 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.080 all over the world to come and see a harbor 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:50.080 full of wind turbines. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.440 Well either, Keith, I know you've been sarcastic, but I 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.320 remember Anastasia Palage seriously proposing that a wind farm in 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.640 Queensland would become a major tourist attraction. People get on 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.920 buses and drive out to look at these turbines. 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:08.280 I remember seriously saying that, well they. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:09.679 Might come and look at them when they're on fire. 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.639 That would be something to see, which potentially can happen. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.520 But for the regions the numbers are just extraordinary, and 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.399 I think there's a lot of there's challenges for us 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.800 to try and get across to people just how big 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.399 an area this is. I mean, we've seen reports for 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.880 Gladston hydrogen, for example, needing two and a half thousand 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.359 square kilometers of solar panels just for Gladston hydrogen. It's 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.159 really we're going to level two and a half thousand 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.760 square kilometers and you really think you'll get an environmental 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.200 approval for that, and you'll get it through an indigenous 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.479 land use agreement and you'll pay royalties through native title 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.920 and that'll be all tickety boo. I don't think so. 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.680 So if we accept that this stuff's just not going 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.000 to happen, well you need another solution, and nuclear is 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.399 that baseload net zero solution. It's got no emissions, it 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.840 works one hundred percent of the time, and we just 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.560 need people to actually have a conversation about it so 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.920 that we can get some information to them that's factual 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.160 and it's not just based on feelings, because the proposal 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:11.879 from Labor is all about a feeling. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.000 Keith, we're going to go to a break in a moment. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.000 First want to ask you tomorrow morning there's a Coalition 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.120 party room meeting to talk about the plans for nuclear 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.080 What sort of announcement will we get from the Prime 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.920 Minister tomorrow? Will we find out the locations of proposed 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:27.800 reactors tomorrow? 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:28.480 Is that the plan? 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.520 Oh, I'd love to give you an insight, but A 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:34.280 I don't know, and be if I did, I wouldn't 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.720 tell you. Unfortunately, you're right out of luck. But I'd 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:39.760 imagine that'll be plenty to say. There's lots going on 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.000 tonight that I'm aware of, and you know you've obviously 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.000 been informed a better potential meeting tomorrow. I would assume 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.280 that would be the discussion. But we've got two weeks 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.480 of parliamentary sittings coming up as well, and I'm sure 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.119 colleagues will have plenty to say. It'll be a good discussion. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.200 Well, the important thing is that there's a plan out 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.440 there which is an alternate, and I think people will 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.040 see it. As I said, the two spent an enormous 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:05.040 amount of money, reportedly in mcallo one point two million. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.440 But the point is this, there is now a real 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.040 argument going on which was absent in twenty twenty two. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:16.200 There was a real alternative to encompass all Astra content. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.200 Well, indeed, there'll definitely be a contest at the next election, Keith, 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.000 That's for sure, Bronwin, Bishop Keith Pitt. 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:23.879 Thanks so much to both of you. 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.680 We'll stick around because coming up we'll talk more about 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.960 why the PM must stand up to China's bully boy tactics. 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:31.879 Plus rates on hold. 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.199 But the RBA isn't happy about big spending federal and 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:36.119 state governments. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:37.440 All of that in a moment. 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:45.080 Well I spoke at the top of the program about 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.960 the disgraceful stunt pulled by Chinese officials at Parliament House yesterday, 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.760 a stunt aimed at one of my Sky News colleagues, 0:19:51.840 --> 0:20:17.440 Chang Lai. Now, of course, after being questioned about it yesterday, 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:21.240 the Prime Minister finally condemned the move today, saying Australia 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.439 had lodged a complaint with the Chinese embassy over the incident. 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:27.320 Just to remind you, here's the PM. 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:32.240 We have different values in different political systems and we 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.760 saw some of that yesterday. I've got to say with 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:41.639 the attempt that was pretty ham fisted to block Chang Lai. 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:47.280 The Australian journalists who were able to get brought home 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:51.880 at the press conference, and there was a clumsy attempt 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.520 really to just stand in between where the cameras were 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.080 and Chang Lai and the Australian officials did the right 0:20:58.119 --> 0:20:59.840 thing and intervened. 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.840 Opposition Lyder Peter Dutton says the PM's response is not 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:04.639 good enough. 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.240 I do want to point out that the Prime Minister 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.560 clearly misled the Australian people yesterday when he got up 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.240 and did a press conference and said that he heard 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.720 nothing of it. He didn't understand what the question was 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.439 or didn't know anything about it. It's completely inconceivable and 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:21.800 the Prime Minister needs to stand up today to explain 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.520 the discrepancy, explain why he didn't tell the truth yesterday, 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:30.520 and please grow a backbone, stand up for our country. 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:35.280 Strategic Analysis Australia Director Peter Jennings joins me. Now, Peter, 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.440 thanks for your time. It's a pretty not just delayed, 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.360 but weak response from the PM. 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:47.960 Yes it is, James, and good evening. Once again we 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.560 get from Prime Minister Albanezier sort of a description of 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.840 the event like he's a spectator at the scene. I 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.960 don't think it's appropriate to call this a cultural difference. 0:21:58.520 --> 0:21:59.320 What China. 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:03.720 Chinese officials were deliberately trying to do was to hide 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.720 from the cameras a person who they had illegally jailed 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.480 on fake spying charges for three years until she was 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:15.480 finally released and brought to Australia. And so this is 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:20.000 the behavior of the thugish Chinese Communist Party, not a 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:25.080 cultural practice which was tolerated in the Parliament of Australia. 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:27.879