1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: I'll get I Grovers, Craig and the Harper, Kate, Mary 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: and Veronica, Wilma Malaria Save what. I don't know? What 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: you do? You have a second name, Kate Save. 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: I do, and like most, a lot of womenutes their 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: grandma's first name. So it's Kate Patricia, Patricia, Kate Patricia. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: How are you, Kate Patricia? I'm well, where do we 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: find you at? 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: Like? 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Right now? Tell my listeners where you are now? Because 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: your life is very interesting. 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: Well, I've just traveled from Melbourne Victory, where I was 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: talking to the female players and some of the Matilda's, 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 2: and I've headed into the studio world WTFN, where they 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: make Bondavette and lots of the shows that you'd waughtch 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: over all of the big networks. I'm looking around the 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: office that I've borrowed. I can see the Hunters, Ares, 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: the Doctor, Supercars, the living Room, Space Invaders, Ocean, Thailand, Oddball. 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: There you go. They're just the posters in the room. 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: That's also where you film your show, isn't it. 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: I filmed twenty eight days that changed my life here 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: and well it was mostly on location, but yes, with 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: the team here and yeah, we were filming up in 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: Sydney working with the guys that do Space Invaders, which 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: is the cluttering show. Have you ever seen that? 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: It would do your head in the decluttering show, the 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: one with that what is that? I mean? There is something? 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: I mean? 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 3: Is there? 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: You know this has got nothing to do with food. 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: It's written about it. Oh it is. Yes, there's a 31 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 2: link between food and hoarders. 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: Really all right, let's so before we talk about the 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: link between food and hoarders and oh my god, I've 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: never thought that, and I think about a lot of shit. 35 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: I've never thought about that correlation. But and I guess 36 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: in hoarding there must be some mental health issues going on. 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Of course, just give a little bit of a snapshot 38 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: of you, like a just a quick bio if you would. Yes. 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: So, I'm a dietitian, excise physiologist and diabetes educator. I 40 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: am the founder of PPMN, a dietitian consultancy that we've 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: run for twenty years manage medical centers and private hospitals 42 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: and their dietitian services. And ten years after that I 43 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: started Beefit Food, a doctor and dietitian design scientifically formulated, 44 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: ready made meals company. 45 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, Like I don't know, Yeah, you are busy. 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 1: Do you see yourself as more Maybe it's an equal mix. 47 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: But like, because you're an educator, you're also a scientist, 48 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: because you're an excise physiologist and a dietitian two different 49 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: fields but related of course. And you're an entrepreneur, you're 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: a businesswoman. What do you feel the most like do 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: you feel like a scientist or an educator or an 52 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: EP or a dietitian or do you feel like an 53 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: entrepreneur primarily? Like what what's your kind of Because I 54 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: did business for a long time and I can do 55 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: the entrepreneurial stuff, but my natural habitat is more teaching 56 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: and coaching. I can do it, and I had four 57 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,839 Speaker 1: gyms and I employed five hundred trainers, but it took 58 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: me a long time to realize I can do this, 59 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: but I'm not passionate. Like what do you feel most 60 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 1: connected to? Oh? 61 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: Being around people? So I think today I'm in my 62 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: element when I was presenting at Melbourne Victory to the 63 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: girls soccer team and we're looking at you know, national 64 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: soccer players, some of them in the league there that 65 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: have played, you know, for the biggest competitions in the 66 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: world with the matildas and educating them about their gut 67 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: health and the impact that it has on their sports 68 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: performance and how important you know, literally what they eat, 69 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: their sleep, how they're recovering all those sorts of things. 70 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: That's when I'm in my element, and I think the 71 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: business and entrepreneurial side of that is really how you 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: work out how you get to do more of what 73 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: you love. And I love food, so always working on 74 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: recipes and new food ideas and phone calls in the 75 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: car with just ideas. So I think a bit of balance. 76 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: But I definitely change hour by hour. 77 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: And you're also a TV presenter because I was on 78 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: your show, which was which is the Inspired CEO? That's 79 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: what it's called, isn't that? Yeah? 80 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: The Inspired CEO? 81 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you've got plenty going on, all right, 82 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: tell us about the relationship before I forget between the 83 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: hoarders and food and maybe even mental health. What's tell 84 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: us about that? 85 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: There's actually been books read about it, sorry written about it. 86 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: I own one of them. What is fascinating is that 87 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: people who called things more often than not there's some 88 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: the lying psychological issue like there is with binge eating disorders, 89 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: or the other eating disorders. So I think there's this 90 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 2: correlation between a whole hoarding stuff. And there are certainly 91 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 2: people that hold in their fridge too, and I've seen 92 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: one of those, and you know, no fault of anyone's own, 93 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: it's how whatever happened to them when they were growing 94 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: up or their habits. And it's super interesting the show 95 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: Space Invaders to get inside someone's home and you watch 96 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: them literally put every single belonging that they have into boxes, 97 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: put it on a truck, take it to these giant 98 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: warehouses and I mean giant, and they unpack every single 99 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: little item and they tell them you are only going 100 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: to keep twenty to thirty percent of this, seventy to 101 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: eighty percent needs to go. And then the show is 102 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,119 Speaker 2: literally about why are people keeping these things? Why can't 103 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: they part with them? And it can be the smallest 104 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: thing that someone on the show wants to get rid of, 105 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: but it becomes, you know, like the the biggest deal imaginable. 106 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: It brings them to tears. And I think that's where 107 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: the show is spectacularly good at working out what is 108 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: really going on with getting rid of that teapot, whatever 109 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: it might be, Like, what is so important about that. 110 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: It's not that the grandmother or the mother gave it 111 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: to them, it's whatever the story was that they remembered 112 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: and why that was so critical. And the same thing 113 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 2: with food. So I would go into these homes to 114 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: film and you would open up the pantries or the fridge. 115 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: And this is not every single order, obviously, but I 116 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 2: certainly experienced this firsthand, and it would be jam packed, 117 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: and I mean like you could not squeeze a green 118 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: bean in there, like you know what I mean, because 119 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 2: every hole has been stuffed, absolutely stuffed, and the age 120 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 2: and the rot and how old some of that stuff 121 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: is is you know, it would be very unappealing for 122 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: most people. But people happily live normal lives and. 123 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: Have normal jobs. 124 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: Yet they live in this disarray with their stuff. And 125 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: I think after seeing it firsthand and meeting these people, 126 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: everyone has a story in they just deal with it 127 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: in different ways. 128 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: What do you think the under And I'm sure there's 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: not one thing. And by the way, everyone nether are 130 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: as psychologists. We're not prescribing anything or we're not diagnosing anything. 131 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: It's just two people having a chat. But what do 132 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: you think? And again, Kate dietician and ex scise physiologists, 133 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: not a psychologist, but you know, you work with a 134 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: lot of people. What do you think the underlying causes are? Like? 135 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: What what? You know? What is somebody's story when they've 136 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: got rotting, decaying, out of date food in the fridge 137 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: that they don't want to get rid of. 138 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: I can definitely see a pattern with stress in people's lives, 139 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: so the stress of their job, but the job may 140 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: not really be what's getting them down. It might be 141 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: that they didn't think life would work out the way 142 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: it's worked out. You know, it's a much bigger issue 143 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: that they thought perhaps maybe they'd be married now, or 144 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 2: maybe they wouldn't be on their second partner, or maybe 145 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: they'd have kids or you know. It's so complex and 146 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: it's hiding things, I guess, but not wanting to lose things. 147 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: And you certainly see with clothing that people feel like 148 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 2: they're twenty still. I'm sure you do, Craig. 149 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm a bad example because my wardrobe is extremely limited. 150 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: But I know what you're saying. 151 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: So people don't want to get rid of things that 152 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: give them memories of being out when they were twenty right, 153 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: So they're forty five, they're fifty now, but they're hanging 154 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: onto the clothing that is joy. I remember I wore 155 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: that blue dress and we went here. I used to 156 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: wear that all the time. I can't get rid of that, 157 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: and it's the time's gone so fast that there's no 158 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: way they're probably ever wearing that again. However, letting go 159 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: of something that they enjoyed in their life or a 160 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: past and then seeing where they are in the present 161 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: is such a cliche that they can't let it go. 162 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: Wow. 163 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 2: A lot of portraits, which is really all family pictures, 164 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: but they have a second family and addressing that on 165 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: National TVs pretty full on. I watched an episode where 166 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: it certainly ended in tears for everyone because you've been 167 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: confronted about why have you got your husband or your 168 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: ex husband's exit, you know, these certain items when you're 169 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: married to me and we have our own family, don't 170 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: you love me? Or you know, all those conversations come 171 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: out and it's it's so much deeper than what you think. 172 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: Wow, that is really interesting, and I guess there is. 173 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: You know with some I would get it with some things, 174 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: like you said, my mom, you know, my mum gave 175 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: me this and now my mum's not here anymore. So 176 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: I get that. But when there's like mountains of stuff, 177 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: I guess on some level people must must have some 178 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: emotional and psychological and or psychological attachment to that thing. 179 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: And if they give that those genes away that they 180 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: haven't mourned since nineteen eighty eight, they feel, like, you know, 181 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: that must represent a hole in their heart or a 182 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: hole in their life in some way. And that is because, 183 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the problem is not the It's like the 184 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: hoarding is the end result. It's like, yes, it's like 185 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about obesity and being overweight 186 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: or being unhealll feel being unfit. It's like, well, having 187 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: that body that doesn't work optimally, that body that's, for 188 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: one of a better term, out of shape or not 189 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: optimally functional. That's really the byproduct of the choices that 190 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: you're making, Craig and your lifestyle. Craig and the boot 191 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: and all the things you're putting in your body, they're 192 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: the problems. The consequence, Craig is now you're one hundred 193 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: and thirty kilos and your blood pressures through the roof 194 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: and you're pre diabetic, if not diabetic, and it fucking 195 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: hurts to get in and out of the car, and 196 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, so it's almost like that's the consequence, But 197 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: the underlying problem is something like I'm trying to medicate 198 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: myself with food. I'm trying to numb out with food. 199 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to distract myself with food. And these are 200 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: psychological and emotional drivers that end up in a physical outcome. 201 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: And I guess there must be psychological and emotional drivers 202 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: which make people hold on to things that they actually 203 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: don't need. 204 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: You know what, I'm going to read this whole book 205 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: because I bought the book because I was interested in 206 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: I haven't yet. I've just sort of opened it up 207 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: to take on my next holiday. Once i've read it, 208 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: i'll give it to you and we can break this 209 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: down for the listeners. Because I do not feel qualified 210 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: until i've read the book. I want to know. 211 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: Well, that's what. That's why I said we're having a chat. 212 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: I don't think either obviously qualified to unpack that too much, 213 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: but it's fucking interesting conversation. Nonetheless, I wanted to ask 214 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: you because something you are qualified to talk about and 215 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: me to a lesser extent. But you know, it seems 216 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: like every ten minutes, there's a new theory, there's a 217 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: new ideology, there's a new program, there's a new prescription 218 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: around food, there's new research that contradicts last week's research. 219 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: And it's like a girl that's in your scene. 220 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: Really right, And so there's I mean, and there are 221 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: a myriad of ideologies and philosophies and programs and books 222 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: and even research the it, like I said, contradicts last 223 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: week's research. What do we know for sure? And what 224 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: don't we know, Like what's a bit like question mark 225 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: asterisk in the food realm or in the nutrition realm, 226 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: And what do we absolutely know that's not debatable? And 227 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I know this is a big question. There's 228 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: a million things, but it's like, I'll shut up after this. 229 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: But it's like one of my friends said to me 230 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: the other day, not a friend, actually somebody that I know. 231 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: So it's an acquaintance that they're eating one time a day, 232 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: which again, this is just what they're doing everyone, not 233 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: a recommendation, and it works and they feel great through 234 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: the day cognitively and all of these things. I'm like, 235 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: that's interesting. And then I was thinking about it later 236 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: and I thought, well, probably One of the reasons that 237 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: it's working for them, if it is, is just that 238 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: the total calorie intake just happens to be down because 239 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: they're only eating once a day. So maybe it's not 240 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: the once a day model as much as it is 241 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: just that, well, over all, your calories are down compared 242 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: to what they used to be. 243 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: I can break that one down for you. It's less decisions. 244 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: So apparently we think about food over three hundred times 245 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: a day. Oh should I snack on this? Am I 246 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: still hungry? Am I going to have more? When am 247 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: I going to eat? What am I going to buy 248 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: for dinner? Did I just eat some cookie in the kitchen? 249 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: Or do I leave it on the bench? So we 250 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: think about food all the time. So if you're restricted 251 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: to eating once a day, then perhaps you're like Steve 252 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: Jobs with his his same outfit every day. Perhaps you 253 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: not wasting energy on things. However, can I just say 254 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: all this intermitt and fasting research, and all the fasting 255 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: research predominantly has been done on men, and when you 256 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: start to consider women and their cycles and what happens. 257 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm only really just delving into this now because I 258 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: think so much has come up in the media about 259 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: fast like a girl with mindy pelts and teaching people 260 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: to do water fast and when to do it to 261 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: time up with their cycles. I did not recognize it. 262 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: In the second half of the menstrual cycles. You've got 263 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: first half where you've got the bleed and then you yeah, 264 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: you've got ovulation. Then the second half, the last fourteen days, 265 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: you actually increase your calorie outputs by zero point one 266 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: six calories percular body mass per hour. So it's the 267 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: equivalent of about two to three hundred calories extra per 268 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: day you burn every fourteen days as a female. 269 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: Wow, as a menstruating female. Does that stop at menopause? 270 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: I guess it does. 271 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: Yes, So it all changes again, I guess because it's 272 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: a body preparing the line at the uterus to shit. 273 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: And then so once you start delving into the cycle 274 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: and what physically happens in the female body and the 275 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: energy that goes towards that, and it doesn't stop for 276 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: thirty years. It depends on the person. But I mean, 277 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: it goes worth all different lengths. But that has not 278 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: been considered in a lot of the science. It's out there, 279 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: and the reason behind that is because if we're studying 280 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: something like intermittent fasting, you study it on a man, well, 281 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: they're assuming men are all the same, whereas with women 282 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: they need to look at the times in the cycle 283 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: and everything sort of costs three times the amount to 284 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: do the study as just doing it on men. So 285 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: that's why you don't find a lot of the research 286 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: on women that. 287 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: Is so interesting that you said that it is more 288 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: expensive to do that research on women, so they do it. 289 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: Do you know what is this is? I mean, I 290 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: don't want to shoot myself in the foot or throw 291 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: science under the bus, but this is so interesting, isn't 292 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: it when you think about just that as one of 293 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: literally thousands and tens of thousands of like science is 294 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: meant to be pure, like it's like we're just meant 295 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: to and obviously it isn't. Some science is amazing, But 296 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: as I always say, the problem with sciences that humans 297 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: created it, Humans facilitated humans do the research. Some research 298 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: gets funded by organizations with agendas, of course, and then 299 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: the humans who do the research interpret it and want 300 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: to often produce a certain outcome. So there is nothing 301 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: close to objectivity, right, absolutely all about the science. Will 302 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: then clearly you've never been to a university because it's 303 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: about it's about a research lab. It's about lots of things, 304 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: including the science. 305 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: That's not all read the footnotes of who pay for it. 306 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: As soon as you delve into that, then you look 307 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: at it through a completely different lens and you read 308 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: it all over again. 309 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you think, oh, wow, like that what 310 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: you just said. Firstly, I didn't know that that is 311 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: a revenue. So did you say the first fourteen days 312 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: or the second fourth and. 313 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: Days, second fourteen days? So in the first fourteen days, 314 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: because you've got the bleeding phase, and then you then 315 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: the fourteenth day or thereabout somewhere in that window, you've 316 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: got the ovulation. But then after the ovulation, the body 317 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: is set up the lining of the uterus to potentially 318 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 2: house the embryo fetus of the terminology wrong bus. So 319 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: you're actually forgot a hyper metabolic state, so you're burning 320 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: more calories. And they say it's actually not good to 321 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: fast then, or maybe even intimate and fasting, because females 322 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: also are more able to burn fat than meant so 323 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: we're better fat burners. Apparently we're better at storing fat, 324 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: we're better at burning fat, and That's why we tend 325 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 2: to probably be better at endurance. And all of our 326 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: hormones at cascade throughout this period are going up and down, 327 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 2: and they play with our mood and everything else, but 328 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: they also play with our metabolic rate and the way 329 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: that we store and process food. And I think ultimately 330 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: understanding that helps you, as a female go no wonder. 331 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: I find it easy to diet or hard to diet, 332 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: or easy to stick something or hard because these massive 333 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 2: cascading levels of estrogen, progesterone, the lutinizing hormone, all these 334 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: different hormones going throughout our body. And if we're not 335 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 2: in touch with that, and I'm not someone who really knows, 336 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: you know, day one to twenty eight of my cycle, 337 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: I never really have paid attention. But I've had two children, 338 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: and that's just not planned, just lucky, or people might 339 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: say I'm lucky, but lucky for me, and well, a 340 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: lot of the friends that I know just do pay 341 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: attention to that. And I think what we're starting, what 342 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: I'm starting to appreciate having two young daughters, is it. 343 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: I think it's really important to actually understand it, because 344 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: no wonder, mood changes and I'm not someone who's ever 345 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: really thought they had PMS or had changes and bits 346 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: and pieces like other women might. However, I think once 347 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 2: you start to be more in touch with that, and 348 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 2: if you're thinking about teaching your own daughters and my 349 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: daughters at ten and twelve about these I really need 350 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 2: to know as much as I can because I want 351 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: to give them the right information. And it's not taught 352 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: in schools. It's definitely not passed down generations. I can 353 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: tell you right now, my mum did not pass down 354 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: any of this information. I don't think she had it either. 355 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: She most women don't even talk about menopause. So there 356 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: is this whole side of science that perhaps has just 357 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: never been. 358 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: Done on women. That is I mean, that is so interesting, 359 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: That is so relevant for so many people. This is 360 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: a good conversation. I'm excited. I like obviously from an 361 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: excise prescription and programming point of view, there are you know, 362 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: there are variables between men and women, and of course 363 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense with nutrition as well, but 364 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: there's that much of a not a difference, but there's 365 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: that much that we need to pay attention to to 366 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: be able to understand women's nutritional needs. 367 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: And exercise prescription. There are experts in this that I 368 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 2: didn't know until I delved him that you apparently the 369 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: women are not supposed to do high intensity or as 370 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: high intensity exercise during certain parts of the cycle because 371 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: obviously you've got this increased metabolism anyway, but you've apparently 372 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: your best after the bleed, so after the first you know, 373 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: five to seven days, depending on the person, because you've 374 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: got this rise in estrogen. So you've got this lift 375 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 2: in your mood, this lift in your energy, and that 376 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: is when you can train really, really hard. And even 377 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: with strength training you get more gains. And I think 378 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 2: what we don't even hear a lot about is with 379 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: strength training in males and females, that both males and 380 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 2: females have estrogen testosterone, and how do you get those 381 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 2: to work for you when with you and for men 382 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: it's assumed that everything's pretty steady, but for women, we 383 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: know it literally hits the roof and then it hits 384 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 2: the floor, and it's not fact, did it. 385 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's really I mean to be able to 386 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: And this is one of the things about you know, 387 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: broadly speaking, we talk about exercise programming, nutrition, and it's 388 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: like when somebody says to me, Craig, what's the best 389 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: way to do X Y Z, And I say, well, 390 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: for who, Because the answer to that question will be 391 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: twenty different answers for twenty different people. Because everybody not 392 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: only obviously men and women different, but women and women 393 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: are different. Men and men are different, you know, twenty 394 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: year olds and forty year olds are different. Everybody's genetically 395 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: predisposed to respond or interact in a different way with 396 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: different stimuli. And it's trying to figure out, you know, 397 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: how your body, like I don't know about you, but 398 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: speaking about you know, menstrual cycles and something, menstrual cycles 399 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: and such like, some women fly through that with like 400 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: very little disturbance or issue or problem, and then for 401 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: some women it's a fucking nightmare every four weeks, you know, 402 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: And it's like wow, and there's no I mean, obviously 403 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: there's a reason, but there's no obvious apparent reason why 404 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: that should be so different. 405 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: I find that fascinating too, because mine has never bothered me. 406 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 2: I haven't paid enough attention to it now that I've 407 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: got girls that are potentially going to go through this. 408 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: And I heard a very close person to be said 409 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: to me the other day, Oh, my doctor thinks maybe 410 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: I should get a hysterectomy. And I'm like, oh my god, 411 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: do not do that unresearched. You do not appreciate the 412 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: role that those hormones are playing in your body. If 413 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 2: you do not need one, do not do that unresearched. 414 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 2: It could be the worst thing you would ever ever do. 415 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: And I know that people My auntie was forced to 416 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 2: have one in her twenties, early twenties, I think it was, 417 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: and I know that that played havoc for her with 418 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: the way that she felt about everything. And of course 419 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: it will because you're taking out, you know, that hormonal balance. 420 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: It is supposed to be there for maybe up until 421 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 2: we're in our forties or fifties, So to lose that 422 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: in your twenties definitely disturbs your emotions and a lot 423 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: lot more. 424 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: You know, And this is a real case for you know, 425 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: everything is like, you know, everything is an integration. You know, 426 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: it's like the mind, the body, the emotions, the cardiovascular system, 427 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: the endocrime system, the muscular system, you know, the reproductive system. 428 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: Like in research and science, it all operates in disparate 429 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: this over here and then we've got that over there, 430 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: then we've got that. But in reality, you know, as 431 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: as a as a functional human, everything affects everything all the time, 432 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: you know. And it's like, and I've said this too 433 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: many times, but you have a thought which is a 434 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: non physical thing, a thought, and then that might all 435 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: of that thought could create a physiological response like elevated 436 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: heart rate or breathing or blood pressure or cortisol or 437 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: don't mean whatever, the thought is right, and like, nothing 438 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: operates in isolation. And that's why sometimes you think, I 439 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: wish my endochronologists could talk to my dietitian could talk 440 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: to my ep exos physiologists could talk to my s 441 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: you could talk. I wish I had a whole fucking 442 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: team rather than people going, well, I'm an expert in that, 443 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: so I'm going to tell you to get your thyroid out, 444 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: but my naturopaths going no, don't fucking do that. Don't 445 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: do that. 446 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: Is the problem with our whole healthcare system. My very 447 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: best girlfriend, who works in intensive care will undeniably tell 448 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: you that the whole healthcare system is pretty much stuffed 449 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 2: because we just specialize on one part of it. We 450 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: don't have communication with everyone else in their different specialties, 451 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: and that is not how you create a healthy well organism. 452 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: It's like saying, I'm going to take my car for 453 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 2: a service, but today I'm going to get the right wheel. 454 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: Tomorrow I'm going to get the freakin' engine. The next time, 455 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 2: I'm going to look at the exhaust, and I'm going 456 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: to look at the gearbox. And I know nothing about cars, 457 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: but I know that that's probably not the way you 458 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: do it. 459 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: But also sometimes you'll take your car to the mechanic 460 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: and you'll go can you look at the engine? And 461 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: he or she goes, oh my god, we need to 462 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: do this. It's going to cost you eight grand. Then 463 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: you take it to another mechanic, same qualification, and they go, no, 464 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: not at all. You just need a head gasket. It's 465 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: going to be a grand. Yeah. So not only is there. 466 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: But to test it, you turn on the car, so 467 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: the whole thing has to work. Testings in the specialist 468 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: world will fix this broken bit. Let's see if the 469 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: whole body works. 470 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 4: You know, yes, yes, and you think exactly, and then 471 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 4: you think about like the fact that and this is 472 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 4: not a slight on the medical profession or doctors because 473 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 4: that's the way that they were trained. 474 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: But I mean, how many people could avoid medication. I'm 475 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: not saying in all cases, of course, but if, for example, 476 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: they had less stress, they had more movement, they had 477 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: better nutrition, they had better sleep, they had a job 478 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: that they loved. And I know I'm talking idellically everybody, 479 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: I get that. But rather than saying, well, you're stressed, here, 480 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 1: take this. What if you're stressed, here, do some box breathing. 481 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: Try this, yes, or try try training, because we know 482 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: that exercise is one of the best treatments for anxiety 483 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: and stress. We know that, we know it. You know, 484 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: it affects your nervous system, affects all the hormones stress 485 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: on you know. And of course there is a real 486 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: clinical need, of course for certain drugs for certain conditions, 487 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: of course, But I just feel like all you need 488 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: to do these days is show up and go oh, 489 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: I feel like that, and it's boom, here's three prescriptions. 490 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: And I just don't know that the trajectory we're on 491 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: that it's really creating a healthy population. 492 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: It's not sustainable long term. And especially what you said 493 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: about depression anxiety. Look at the Smiles trial with the 494 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: Professor Police Jacko, who looked at cognant behavioral therapy or 495 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 2: counseling for people with anxiety and depression versus putting them 496 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: on a medi Trainean diet. People that went on their 497 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: Metiterranean diet got remission rates of twenty five to thirty 498 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 2: five percent. People that did the traditional counseling got seven percent. 499 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: So change your food, change your mental health. And we 500 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: all know there is nobody on the planet that cannot 501 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: say after they went for a walk or did a 502 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 2: work out that they didn't feel better, no matter what 503 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: the stress is or after sleep. And I used to 504 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: always think it was nutrition, exercise, sleep, and now I'm 505 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 2: completely the other way. I think it's definitely sleep first, 506 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: exercise second, and maybe maybe nutrition last. I being exose 507 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: physiologist and dietitian, I always put nutrition first. But I 508 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: think no matter who you are or what you do, 509 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 2: if you move your body, you feel better. And if 510 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 2: you feel better, then you're going to make better choices 511 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: with your nutrition. Whereas if you feel like crap, well yeah, 512 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: it's going to be hard to eat well. 513 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: Now, listeners, if you can hear that little noise that's 514 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: coming from Kate's mic or something. It sounds like a 515 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: little burp coming through. I'm just telling you everyone, I'm 516 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: not burping. Neither's Kate. Maybe it's your headset or something 517 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: that's very funny. But I want to tell you, pursuant 518 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: to this particular conversation you're honor, that there's another book 519 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: for you to put on your list if you haven't 520 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: read it already. It is by an author and researcher 521 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: called Abigail Shreier. Abigail Shreier who interviewed hundreds of therapists 522 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: and psychologists and psychiatrists, and the name of the book 523 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 1: is Bad Therapy. And basically what they've discovered is that 524 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: talk therapy for some people as good and for some 525 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: people makes it worse. So, you know, for some people 526 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: going and talking to you know, Barry or Sally the 527 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: psychologist or psychiatrist every Tuesday afternoon at four to open 528 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: that door on that thing that happened five years ago, 529 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: and now I'm reliving the trauma and now I'm talking 530 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: about that again, and now I'm emotional, and now I 531 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: feel all of these things. Now I'm not throwing it 532 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: under the bus, but there's they now know that for 533 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: some people, some people talk therapy is good. Like some 534 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: people can eat nuts, not everyone can. Some people can 535 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 1: drink milk, not everybody can. It's the same thing, but 536 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't work for everybody, and so to assume that. 537 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: And it's interesting when I started, I'm halfway through it. 538 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: But when I heard about this book, I heard her 539 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: on another podcast, I went, ah, that's like me, that's 540 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: like me. Now I don't me and therapy. I think 541 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: therapy is great for certain people. And I'm the first 542 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: to go, oh, I've got issues hundred percent. I've got issues. 543 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: I've got things I need to sort through. Do I 544 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: overthink yep? Have I ever got yep? But the way 545 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: that it works for me is I might talk to 546 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: somebody when I want to, like a person like you, 547 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: I might go, hey, I'm dealing with Then you go no, no, no. 548 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: But for me to go sit in a chair and 549 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: then on queue just talk about shit. For me, that 550 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: isn't the protocol. I tend to go a little bit inward. 551 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm very solution focused. I'm all about, Okay, this is 552 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: the problem. How do I fix the problem. And then generally, 553 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: like a day later, or two days later or a 554 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: week later, I'll emerge like a little worm sticking his 555 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: head out of the hole, and I'll go, Okay, it's 556 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: not like, oh, I'm all better now, but I've got 557 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: some clarity. I've got some clarity that anxiety that was 558 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: there as subsided. I you know. But it's just interesting 559 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: that some of the things that we thought were you know, 560 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: it's like when people go, oh, you need to go 561 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: and talk to someone. Yeah, maybe not, maybe not. 562 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: I do you know what? I couldn't agree more. I 563 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: find that spending time with my closest friend is the 564 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 2: best therapy I can ever ever have because your good 565 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: friends don't judge you. They don't make assumptions about who 566 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: you are, and I'm sure a good therapist doesn't either. 567 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 2: But I think the feeling is, this person's going to 568 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: judge me, this person's going to put me in this 569 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 2: box here, this person's going to assume X about me. 570 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: So either we don't open up, or we open up 571 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: but we feel like we're being judged, and then maybe 572 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 2: we change our story a little bit. And yes, yeah, 573 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: but I couldn't agree more that I see a lot 574 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: of people that get a lot of help from it, 575 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 2: but I feel like they've made a human connection that 576 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: it's perhaps not the therapy itself, it's the human connection 577 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 2: with another person that they feel gets them and doesn't 578 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: judge them. 579 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: I've spoken about this a few times before. You might 580 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: have heard of it, but the University of South Australia 581 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: published some research I think it was November last year 582 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: looking at the impact which you've already spoken about, but 583 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: looking at the impact of exercise on depression and anxiety 584 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: as a treatment protocol. Yeah, an as an intervention. 585 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: Amazing. 586 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: In this particular study, it outpformed all the drugs by far. 587 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: Now again we're not saying drugs are terrible. We're not 588 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: saying there is no place for medicine. Not saying that. 589 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: We're saying that. You know, like when you think, you 590 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: think about, well, what does a drug do to your body? 591 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: It changes you buy a chemistry like it changes, right, 592 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: And what does exercise do? Ah changes you buy a 593 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: chemistry like what it's It's you're doing something to your body, 594 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: like you're moving your body or you're putting some external 595 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: thing in your body. But the reason that you're doing 596 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: that is you're trying to make your body feel a 597 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: certain way or produce a certain outcome. And you know, 598 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: it's like you hug someone, you're changing, you buy a chemistry. Now, 599 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: here's the interesting thing about that. You go to a 600 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: fucking you know, a wedding where you're just with you know, 601 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: and you meet that relative that you really don't like 602 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: and you've got to give them a hug. Well, the 603 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: chemicals that you're producing are way different to when you 604 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: hug your grandma that you fucking love, right, yes, so 605 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: the same thing produces a different outcome depending on how 606 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: you feel about that person that you are hugging. 607 00:34:54,160 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely creepy, So a ringe of hug hundred percent. 608 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like obviously this before too, you know. So 609 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: I'm a motorcyclist. So I've got four bikes and I 610 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: love bikes, and I every now and then someone will 611 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: jump on the back and go for a ride. Now, 612 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: depending on how a person feels about that, they're going 613 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: to be on the back producing adrenaline and cortisol and 614 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: or they're fucking going to be in doorphins and dopamine 615 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: and loving it. So either something bad or something good 616 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: is happening in their body, depending on how they feel 617 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: about being on a motorbike with squeeze and nuts up 618 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: the front taking them along beach road or whatever it is. 619 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 2: I would least literally just had that experience. I went 620 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: on the back of a boat bike with a girlfriend 621 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 2: of mine and she's tiny and rides motorbikes, and she's like, 622 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 2: just hang hang on. 623 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: Not too tight. 624 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: Apparently my inner size crushed her because I was hanging 625 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 2: on for dear life and I didn't want to grab 626 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: her around the neck because she's so lit, but I 627 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 2: crushed in with my leg. She's like, just relax, just 628 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 2: have fun. All I could think about was my bleeding 629 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 2: body across the road. 630 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 3: Just like, nothing fun about that is it is really 631 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 3: and that's the relationship that we have or our story 632 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 3: about whatever it is. 633 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: It's like because I'm more relaxed on a motorbike than 634 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: in a car. Oh yeah, I definitely definitely. I don't. 635 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: I'm if I'm traveling somewhere, ten times, nine of those 636 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: times will be on a motorbike. Like, I do not 637 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: drive very much. I typically only drive if I have 638 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: to or if it's raining, and even then, unless it's 639 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: heavy rain, I might still take a motorbike, you know. 640 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 2: So like you're very trusting of other people then because 641 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: I think that's my fear. I would jump out of 642 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: an airplane because I could pull my parachute, and I've 643 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 2: done that and I quite enjoy that. But getting on 644 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: a motorbike where some idiots might something stupid on the road. 645 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: I don't trust them. Yeah, I don't blame you. I 646 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: don't blame you. Hey, I just I'm looking at the time. 647 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: We've got to be quick. I want to circle back 648 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: to one thing that you said, because I feel like 649 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: some people might go, is that true? You said that 650 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: women are more efficient? Did you say it fat burning 651 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: than men fat? Yes? Okay, Then my question is why 652 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: do women typically not always, of course everyone, but typically 653 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: why do women have a higher body fat percentage? 654 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 2: So they can use it? You can use it, so 655 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 2: that body fat there is there to make sure that 656 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 2: you can ovulate and that you can carry a baby, 657 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: and it's there to be used. So how much of 658 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 2: it do we need? Well, not as much as seventy 659 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 2: percent of the population, but we need it, and it's 660 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: really critical. We know we can't feel pregnant without it, 661 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 2: that if your body weighs too though, you will not 662 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: fall pregnant. That we know that fat actually produces chemicals 663 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 2: as well and hormone, so we need certain levels of fat, 664 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: and that fat plays a metabolic role, which for years 665 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 2: we thought it didn't. We thought it was just a 666 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: storage of energy that did nothing, and now we know 667 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: it's a metabolic tissue. So it definitely plays a role. 668 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 2: And I certainly have seen rat in my studies where 669 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 2: they talk about fat storage and actually putting a say 670 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 2: a stone in a backpack of a rat or like 671 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 2: a backpack over rat and getting them to exercise and 672 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 2: then taking it away, and it's the pull of gravity 673 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: from the weight that changes their body weight and their appetite. 674 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 2: So they eat up to that extra weight because of 675 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 2: the pull of gravity. So there's something about fat cells 676 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 2: that regulates fat cells. So that's what that study was 677 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: all about. It was just saying that it's not just gravity, 678 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 2: it's also fat cells controlling our weight, not lean muscle cells. 679 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 2: That's why when people lose weight on say something like 680 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 2: ozen pic they lose is it really really quickly, or 681 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 2: maybe they lose it in fat dieting or some other way, 682 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 2: they tend to regain the fat weight first, because the 683 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 2: fat weight has a some sort of regulator around it 684 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 2: and then you regain the lean body mass. But most 685 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 2: people start dieting again before they gain the lean body mass, 686 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 2: so then they put on more and more fat, and 687 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 2: that's why you're Your dieting ends up in people becoming 688 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 2: more and more higher percentage of body fat. Whereas, if 689 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 2: in fact you weighted, your lean body mass would come 690 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 2: back and then your metabolic rate would go up again 691 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 2: and then you could get rid of more body fat 692 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 2: and it would be more successful. So don't quit too 693 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,479 Speaker 2: early is really the key. 694 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. So when you lose weight quickly, everyone 695 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 1: you lose what you're losing. When you lose let's say 696 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: you're I hate this, you know number thing, But let's 697 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 1: just say you eighty kilos and you'd like to be sixty, right, 698 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: and I'm not. We're more concerned with body composition, how 699 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: you're put together, rather than a number on the scales. 700 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: But let's just say so the quicker that you lose 701 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,919 Speaker 1: that twenty kilos. So if you lose two or three 702 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: kilos a week, which is a lot if you only 703 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: weigh eighty, it's too much you're losing in this order. 704 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 1: You're losing water, muscle fat in that order, and then 705 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: when you regain it, which most people will, especially with 706 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: rapid weight loss, what you regain it water fat, muscle last, 707 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: and so as Kate said, you might end up back 708 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: at eighty kilos, but with respect, now you're fatter, So 709 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: now you've got a higher body fat percentage unless lean 710 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: tissue or muscle, and you're back at the same weight. 711 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: So it is that what's your rough guide. My guide 712 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: is about one percent of body weight is not a 713 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: bad rate per week. So if someone weighed ninety kilos 714 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: to lose like point nine or sixty kilos point six 715 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: a week or one hundred and twenty one point two, 716 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 1: do you have a rough weight loss guide that's kind 717 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: of works for you? 718 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 2: Really really interesting point. I love that analogy and I 719 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 2: think that's a nice sustainable way to do it. But 720 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 2: with human beings and their interactions with food, and they're 721 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 2: three hundred thoughts a day, I've seen the most success 722 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: with people getting off as much as they can whilst 723 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 2: they're motivated, but instilling good behaviors along the way, which 724 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 2: include taking up exercise if they don't exercise. So I 725 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 2: tend to find the best outcomes so when they can 726 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 2: get a block of weight off and then tell them 727 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 2: to stop and just live at that new weight for 728 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 2: three months, six months a year, get comfortable at that 729 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 2: new weight, then try and lose your next block of weight. 730 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 2: So that's why I've seen the biggest success. 731 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting, So kind of not go nuts, but 732 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: kind of go nuts. 733 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 2: And then because your motivation only lasts a short period 734 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 2: of time, so use it. Why it's there, and then 735 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 2: you feel good. Right, once you've hit a particular weight, 736 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 2: you feel good. And when you feel good, you look 737 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 2: after yourself. So don't go too long that you start 738 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 2: to regain weight and you feel crappy again. So whilst 739 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 2: you're feeling good, relax, hold that weight and then have 740 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 2: another crackerdote again. So do it in blocks. 741 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: Is that now, I'm not questioning that. Is there any research, 742 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: Like I know you do all your own research and 743 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: you're constantly working with people. Is there actually any research 744 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: on that particular protocol. 745 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 2: I haven't looked really deeply into that. It is my anecdotal. Yeah, 746 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 2: I've seen ten thousand people lose weight, and I think 747 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 2: the ones that are most successful when they've lost a 748 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 2: big block, right, their weight goes back up, but it 749 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 2: doesn't go back up to where it started. And then 750 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 2: they have another go and they lose a little bit more. 751 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 2: They take a break, so they could be within you know, 752 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: lose ten kilos in six months, and then they might 753 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 2: put on one or two kilo and then they might 754 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 2: go well next year, my goal is to lose another 755 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 2: four kilos. So they lose another four kilos, they put 756 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 2: on one or two kilos, there's still twelve kilos down 757 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 2: from where they started. Don't check my math set, but 758 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 2: you know, so you progressively get there. But I think 759 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 2: when the motivation's high, make the changes, because if you 760 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 2: do not make the changes, then you may, particularly with women, 761 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 2: during a cycle, your weight can change by two to 762 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 2: three kilos. I know that mine does. So all your 763 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 2: motivations are lost in that twenty eight days as your 764 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 2: weight just cycles through holding more water than those sorts 765 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 2: of things. 766 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 1: Oh wow, we're going to do it. You and I 767 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: are going to do a show on motivation one day. 768 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: The other thing, too, though, is over the long term, 769 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: we need our behavior and our habits to outlast our motivation. 770 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: Otherwise we're going to spend the next thirty years stopping 771 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: and starting stuff. Right, So eventually we need to get 772 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: to the point where we've created a new normal. 773 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, in a sustainable way. Like if you're going to 774 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 2: say I'm giving out chocolate forever, I'll just never blink 775 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 2: at chocolate again. Well, is that actually going to work? 776 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 2: Make yourself a rule, have two pieces of chocolate whenever 777 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 2: you want a piece of chocolate. Or I have a 778 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 2: rule with chips. I think I've talked about this. I'm 779 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 2: having hot chips. I'll have ten hot chips. I'm gonna 780 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 2: have ten hot chips whenever i want ten hot chips. 781 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 2: I could have ten hot chips every day, but I'm 782 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 2: only going to have ten's. 783 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: Yea, that's you know. Some people are like, fuck your 784 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: ten chip rules and I had one hundred. Hey Kate, 785 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: how can people find you and follow you and connect 786 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: with you and learn more about befit Food and all 787 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 1: the things that you do. 788 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 2: The Beefit Food Australia Instagram or my kates save Instagrams. 789 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,240 Speaker 2: You know's got a bit of stuff there. My LinkedIn 790 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 2: is probably where I'm most active, so old, so boring 791 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 2: that I love LinkedIn, so probably there. 792 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,439 Speaker 1: Perfect Well, I appreciate you, thanks so much for coming 793 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: to play on the You project. I know you had 794 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: a very busy day and I only rang you a 795 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: few hours ago in the middle of your mayhem, and 796 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: you went, oh, I'm filming this and I'm doing that, 797 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: and I'm talking to this group and I'm but yeah, 798 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: So thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the 799 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: time my pleasure. Chat soon, Thanks Kate. We'll say goodbye 800 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: a fair but thanks for now.