1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: I get. I grew withs Craig a Andey Harper, Kate, 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Mary and Veronica, Wilma Malaria Save what, I don't know? 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: What you do? You have a second name, Kate Save. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: I do, and like most a lot of women ites 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: their grandma's first name. So it's Kate Patricia, Patricia, Kate Patricia. 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: How are you, Kate Patricia? I'm well, where do we 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: find you at? Like? Right now? Tell my listeners where 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: you are now? Because your life is very interesting. 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: Well, I've just traveled from Melbourne Victory, where I was 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: talking to the female players and some of the Matilda's 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: and I've headed into the studio world WTFN, where they 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: make Bondavette and lots of the shows that you'd watch 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: over all of the big networks. I'm looking around the 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: office that I've borrowed. I can see the Hunters, Ares, 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: the Doctor, Supercars, the living Room, Space Invaders, Thailand, Oddball. 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: There you go. They're just the posters in the room. 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: That's also where you film your show, isn't it. 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: I filmed twenty eight days that changed my life here 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: and well it was mostly on location, but yes, with 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: the team here and yeah, we were filming up in Sydney, 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 2: working with the guys that do Space Invaders, which is 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: the Cluttering show. Have you ever seen that? It would 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: do your head. 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: In the Decluttering show? The one with that what is that? 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: I mean? 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: There is something? I mean? Is there? You know this 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: has got nothing to do with food. 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: It's written about it. Oh it is. Yes, there's a 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: link between food and hoarders. 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: Really all right, let's so before we talk about the 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: link between food and hoarders and oh my god, I've 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: never thought that, and I think about a lot of shit. 33 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: I've never thought about that correlation. But and I guess 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: in hoarding there must be some mental health issues going on. 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Of course, just give a little bit of a snapshot 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: of you, like a just a quick bio if you would. Yes. 37 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: So, I'm a dietitian, excise physiologist and diabetes educator. I 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: am the founder of PPM, a dietitian consultancy that we've 39 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: run for twenty years manage medical centers and private hospitals 40 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: and their dietitian services. And ten years after that I 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: started beefit Food, a doctor and dietitian design scientifically formulated, 42 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: ready made meals company. 43 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, like, I don't know, Yeah, you are busy. 44 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Do you see yourself as more Maybe it's an equal mix. 45 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: But like, because you're an educator, you're also a scientist, 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: because you're an excise physiologist and a dietitian two different 47 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: fields but related of course. And you're an entrepreneur, you're 48 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: a businesswoman. What do you feel the most Like do 49 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: you feel like a scientist or an educator or an 50 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: EP or a dietitian or do you feel like an 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: entrepreneur primarily? Like what's your kind of Because I did 52 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: business for a long time and I can do the 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: entrepreneurial stuff, but my natural habitat is more teaching and coaching. 54 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: I can do it, and I had four gyms and 55 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: I employed five hundred trainers, but it took me a 56 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: long time to realize I can do this, but I'm 57 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: not passionate. Like what do you feel most connected to? Oh? 58 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: Being around people. So I think today I'm in my 59 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: element when I was presenting at Melbourne Victory to the 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: girls soccer team and we're looking at you know, national 61 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: soccer players, some of them in the league there that 62 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: have played, you know, for the biggest competitions in the 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: world with the matildas and educating them about their gut 64 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: health and the impact that it has on their sports 65 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: performance and how important you know, literally what they eat, 66 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: their sleep, how they're recovering all those sorts of things. 67 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: That's when I'm in my element, and I think the 68 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: business and entrepreneurial side of that is really how you 69 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: work out how you get to do more of what 70 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: you love. And I love food, so always working on 71 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: recipes and new food ideas and phone calls in the 72 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: car with just ideas. So I think a bit of balance, 73 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: but I definitely change hour by hour. 74 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: And you're also a TV presenter because I was on 75 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: your show, which was which is the Inspired CEO? That's 76 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: what it's called, isn't that? 77 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: Yeah? The Inspired CEO? 78 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? And so you've got plenty going on. All right, 79 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: tell us about the relationship before I forget between the 80 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: hoarders and food and maybe even mental health. What's tell 81 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: us about that? 82 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: There's actually been books read about it, sorry, written about it. 83 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: I own one of them. What is fascinating is that 84 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: people who called things more often than not, there's some 85 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: the lying psychological issue, like there is we binge eating 86 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: disorders or the other eating disorders. So I think there's 87 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: this correlation between a whole hoarding stuff. And there are 88 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: certainly people that hold in their fridge too, and I've 89 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: seen one of those, and you know, no fault of 90 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: anyone's own, it's how whatever happened to them when they 91 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: were growing up or their habits. And it's super interesting 92 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: the show Space Invaders to get inside someone's home and 93 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: you watch them literally put every single belonging that they 94 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: have into boxes, put it on a truck, take it 95 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: to these giant warehouses and I mean giant, and they 96 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: unpack every single little item and they tell them you 97 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: are only going to keep twenty to thirty percent of this, 98 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: seventy to eighty percent needs to go. And then the 99 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 2: show is literally about why are people keeping these things? 100 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 2: Why can't they part with them? And it can be 101 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: the smallest thing that someone on the show wants to 102 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: get rid of, but it becomes, you know, like the 103 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: the biggest deal imaginable. It brings them to tears. And 104 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: I think that's where the show is spectacularly good at 105 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: working out what is really going on with getting rid 106 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: of that teaposh whatever it might be, Like, what is 107 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: so important about that. It's not that the grandmother or 108 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: the mother gave it to them, it's whatever the story 109 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: was that they remembered and why that was so critical. 110 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: And the same thing with food. So I would go 111 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: into these homes to film and you would open up 112 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: the pantries or the fridge. And this is not every 113 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: single order, obviously, but I certainly experienced this firsthand, and 114 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: it would be jam packed, and I mean like you 115 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: could not squeeze a green bean in there, like you 116 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: know what I mean, because every hole's been stuffed, absolutely stuffed, 117 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 2: and the age and the rot and how old some 118 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: of that stuff is is you know, it would be 119 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: very unappealing for most people. But people happily live normal 120 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: lives and have normal jobs, yet they live in this 121 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: disarray with their stuff. And I think after seeing it 122 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: firsthand and meeting these people that everyone has a story 123 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: and they just deal with it in different ways. 124 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: What do you think the under And I'm sure there's 125 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: not one thing. And by the way, everyone nether are 126 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: as psychologists. We're not prescribing anything or we're not diagnosing anything. 127 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: It's just two people having a chat. But what do 128 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: you think? And again, Kateter dietician and ex scise physiologist, 129 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: not a psychologist, but you know, you work with a 130 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: lot of people. What do you think the underlying causes are? 131 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: Like what you know is somebody's story when they've got rotting, decaying, 132 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: out of date food in the fridge that they don't 133 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: want to get rid of. 134 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: I can definitely see a pattern with stress in people's lives, 135 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: so the stress of their job, but the job may 136 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: not really be what's getting them down. It might be 137 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: that they didn't think life would work out the way 138 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: it's worked out. You know, it's a much bigger issue 139 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: that they thought perhaps maybe they'd be married now, or 140 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: maybe they wouldn't be on their second partner, or maybe 141 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: they'd have kids or you know, it's so complex and 142 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 2: it's hiding things, I guess, but not wanting to lose things. 143 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: And you certainly see with clothing that people feel like 144 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 2: they're twenty still. I'm sure you do, Craig. 145 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm a bad example because my wardrobe is extremely limited. 146 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: But I know what you're saying. 147 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: So people don't want to get rid of things that 148 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: give them memories of being out when they were twenty right, 149 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: so they're forty five they're fifty now, but they're hanging 150 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: onto the clothing that is joy. I remember I wore 151 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,599 Speaker 2: that blue dress and we went here. I used to 152 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: wear that all the time. I can't get rid of that, 153 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: and it's the time's gone so fast that there's no 154 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: way they're probably ever wearing that again. However, letting go 155 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: of something that they enjoyed in their life or a 156 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: past and then seeing where they are in the present 157 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: is such a cliche that they can't let it go. 158 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 159 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: A lot of the portraits, which is really all family pictures, 160 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: but they have a second family and addressing that on 161 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: National TVs pretty full on. I watched an episode where 162 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: it certainly ended in tears for everyone because you've been 163 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 2: confronted about why have you got your husband or your 164 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: ex husband's exit, you know, these certain items when you're 165 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: married to me and we have our own family and 166 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: don't you love me or you know, all those conversations 167 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 2: come out and it's so much deeper than what you think. 168 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: Wow, that is really interesting, and I guess there is. 169 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: You know with some I would get it with some things, 170 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: like you said, my mom, you know, my mum gave 171 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: me this, and now my Mum's not here anymore, so 172 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: I get that. But when there's like mountains of stuff, 173 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: I guess on some level people must must have some 174 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: emotional and psychological and or psychological attachment to that thing. 175 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: And if they give that those genes away that they 176 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: haven't mourned since nineteen eighty eight, they feel, like, you know, 177 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: that must represent a hole in their heart or a 178 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: hole in their life in some way. And that is because, 179 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the problem is not the It's like the 180 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: hoarding is the end result. It's like, yes, it's like 181 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about obesity and being overweight 182 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: or being unhealth feel being unfit, it's like, well, having 183 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: that body that doesn't work optimally, that body that's, for 184 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: one of a better term, out of shape or not 185 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: optimally functional. That's really the byproduct of the choices that 186 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: you're making, Craig and your lifestyle. Craig and the boot 187 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: and all the things you're putting in your body, they're 188 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: the problems. The consequence, Craig is now you're one hundred 189 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: and thirty kilos and your blood pressures through the roof 190 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: and you're pre diabetic, if not diabetic, and it fucking 191 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: hurts to get in and out of the car, and 192 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, so it's almost like that's the consequence, but 193 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: the underlying problem is something like I'm trying to medicate 194 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: myself with food. I'm trying to numb out with food. 195 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to distract myself with food. And these are 196 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: psychological and emotional drivers that end up in a physical outcome. 197 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: And I guess there must be psychological and emotional drivers 198 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: which make people hold on to things that they actually 199 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: don't need. 200 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: You know what, I'm going to read this whole book 201 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: because I bought the book because I was interested in 202 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: I haven't ye, I've just sort of opened it up 203 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: to take on my next holiday. Once I've read it, 204 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: i'll give it to you and we can break this 205 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: down for the listeners. Because I do not feel qualified 206 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: until I've read the book. I want to know. 207 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: Well, that's what. That's why I said we're having a chat. 208 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: I don't think either of us are qualified to unpack 209 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: that too much, but it's fucking interesting conversation. Nonetheless, I 210 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you because something you are qualified to 211 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: talk about, and me to a lesser extent. But you know, 212 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: it seems like every ten minutes, there's a new theory, 213 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: there's a new ideology, there's a new program, there's a 214 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: new prescription around food, there's new research that contradicts last 215 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: week's research. 216 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: And it's like a girl that's in your ence. 217 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: Really right, And so there's I mean, and there are 218 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: a myriad of ideologies and philosophies and programs and books 219 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: and even research the like I said, contradicts last week's research. 220 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: What do we know for sure? And what don't we know, 221 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: Like what's a bit like question mark asterisk in the 222 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: food realm or in the nutrition realm, And what do 223 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: we absolutely know that's not debatable? And I mean, I 224 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: know this is a big question. There's a million things, 225 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: but it's like, I'll shut up after this. But it's 226 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: like one of my friends said to me the other day, 227 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: not a friend, actually somebody that I know. So it's 228 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: an acquaintance that they're eating one time a day, which again, 229 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: this is just what they're doing everyone, not a recommendation, 230 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: and it works and they feel great through the day 231 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: cognitively and all of these things. I'm like, that's interesting. 232 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: And then I was thinking about it later and I thought, well, 233 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: probably one of the reasons that it's working for them. 234 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: If it is, is just that the total calorie intake 235 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: just happens to be down because they're only you're hitting 236 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: once a day. So maybe it's not the once a 237 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: day model as much as it is just that, well 238 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: over all, your calories are down compared to what they 239 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: used to be. 240 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 2: I can break that one down for you. It's less decisions. 241 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: So apparently we think about food over three hundred times 242 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: a day. Oh should I snack on this? Am I 243 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: still hungry? Am I going to have more? When am 244 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: I going to eat? What am I going to buy 245 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: for dinner? Did I just eat some cookie in the 246 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: kitchen or do I leave it on the bench? So 247 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: we think about food all the time. So if you're 248 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: restricted to eating once a day, then perhaps you're like 249 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: Steve Jobs with his you know, his same outfit every day. 250 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: Perhaps you not wasting energy on things. However, can I 251 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: just say all this intermittent fasting research, and all the 252 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: fasting research predominantly has it been done on men, and 253 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: when you start to consider women and their cycles and 254 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: what happens. I'm only really just delving into this now 255 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: because I think so much has come up in the 256 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: media about fast like a girl with mindy pelts and 257 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: teaching people to do water fast and when to do it, 258 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: time up with their cycles. I did not recognize it. 259 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: In the second half of the menstrual cycles. You've got 260 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: first half where you've got the bleed and then you yeah, 261 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: you've got ovulation. Then the second half, the last fourteen days, 262 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: you actually increase your calorie output by zero point one 263 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: six calories per kilo body mass per hour, So it's 264 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: the equivalent of about two to three hundred calories extra 265 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: per day you burn every fourteen days as a female. 266 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: Wow, as a menstruating female. Does that stop at menopause? 267 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: I guess it does. 268 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: Yes, So it all changes again, I guess because it's 269 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: a body preparing the line at the uterus to shit. 270 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: And then so once you start delving into the cycle 271 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: and what physically happens in the female body and the 272 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: energy that goes towards that, and it doesn't stop for 273 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: thirty years. It depends on the person. But I mean, 274 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: it goes worth all different lengths. But that has not 275 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: been considered in a lot of the science. It's out there, 276 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: and the reason behind that is because if we're studying 277 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: something like intermittent and fasting, you study it on a man, well, 278 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: they're assuming men are all the same, whereas with women 279 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: they need to look at the times in the cycle 280 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: and everything sort of costs three times the amount to 281 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: do the study as just doing it on men. So 282 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: that's why you don't find a lot of the research 283 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: on women that. 284 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: Is so interesting that you said that it is more 285 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: expensive to do that research on women, so they do it. 286 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: Do you know what is this is? I mean, I 287 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: don't want to shoot myself in the foot or throw 288 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: science under the bus, but this is so interesting, isn't 289 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: it when you think about just that as one of 290 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: literally thousands and tens of thousands of like science is 291 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: meant to be pure, like it's like we're just meant 292 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: to and obviously it isn't. Some science is amazing, But 293 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: as I always say, the problem with sciences that humans 294 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: created it, Humans facilitated humans do the research. Some research 295 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 1: gets funded by organizations with agendas, of course, and then 296 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: the humans who do the research interpret it and want 297 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: to often produce a certain outcome. So there is nothing 298 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: close to objectivity, right, both absolutely all about the science. Well, 299 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: then clearly you've never been to a university, because it's 300 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: about it's about a research lab. It's about lots of things, 301 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: including the science. That's not all. 302 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: I've read the footnotes of who paid for it. 303 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: As soon as you. 304 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: Delve into that, then you look at it through a 305 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: completely different lens and you read it all over again. 306 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you think, oh, wow, like that what 307 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: you just said. Firstly, I didn't know that that is 308 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: a revenue. So did you say the first fourteen days 309 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: or the second four and days? 310 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: Second fourteen days? So in the first fourteen days, because 311 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: you've got the bleeding phase, and then you then the 312 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: fourteenth day or thereabout somewhere in that window, you've got 313 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: the ovulation. But then after the ovulation, the body is 314 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: setting up the lining of the uterus to potentially house 315 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: the embryo fetus on the terminology wrong. But so you're 316 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: actually got a hyper metabolic state, so you're burning more calories. 317 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 2: And they say it's actually not good to fast then, 318 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: or maybe even intimate and fasting, because females also are 319 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 2: more able to burn fat than meant. So we're better 320 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: fat burners. Apparently we're better at storing fat, we're better 321 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: at burning fat, and that's why we tend to probably 322 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 2: be better at endurance. And all of our hormones at 323 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: cascade throughout this period are going up and down, and 324 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 2: they play with our mood and everything else, but they 325 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: also play with our metabolic rate and the way that 326 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 2: we store and process food. And I think ultimately understanding 327 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: that helps you, as a female go no wonder. I 328 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: find it easy to diet or hard to die it, 329 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: or easy to stick something or hard because these massive 330 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 2: cascading levels of estrogen, progesterone, the lutinizing hormone, all these 331 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: different hormones going throughout our body. And if we're not 332 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: in touch with that, and I'm not someone who really knows, 333 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: you know, day one to twenty eight of my cycle, 334 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: I never really have paid attention. But I've had two children, 335 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: and that's just not planned, just lucky, or people might 336 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: say I'm lucky, but lucky for me and every well, 337 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: a lot of the friends that I know just do 338 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: pay attention to that. And I think what we're starting, 339 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: what I'm starting to appreciate having two young daughters, is it. 340 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 2: I think it's really important to actually understand it, because 341 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: no wonder, mood changes and I'm not someone who's ever 342 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: really thought they had PMS or had changes and bits 343 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: and pieces like other women might. However, I think once 344 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 2: you start to be more in touch with that, and 345 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 2: if you're thinking about teaching your own daughters and my 346 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: daughters at ten and twelve about these I really need 347 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 2: to know as much as I can because I want 348 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: to give them the right information. And it's not taught 349 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: in schools. It's definitely not passed down generations. I can 350 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: tell you right now, my mum did not pass down 351 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 2: any of this information. I don't think she had it either. 352 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: She most women don't even talk about menopause. So there 353 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 2: is this whole side of science that perhaps has just 354 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: never been done on women. 355 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: That is I mean, that is so interesting, That is 356 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: so relevant for so many people. This is a good conversation. 357 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I like, obviously from an exercise prescription and 358 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: programming point of view, there are you know, there are 359 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: variables between men and women, and of course I guess 360 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: it makes sense with nutrition as well, but that there's 361 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: that much of a not a difference, but there's that 362 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: much that we need to pay attention to to be 363 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: able to understand women's nutritional needs. 364 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: And exercise prescription. There are experts in this that I 365 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: didn't know until I delved him that you apparently the 366 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: women are not supposed to do high intensity or as 367 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: high intensity exercise during certain parts of the cycle because 368 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: obviously you've got this increased metabolism anyway, but you've apparently 369 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: you're best after the bleed, so after the first you know, 370 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: five to seven days, depending on the person, because you've 371 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: got this rise in estrogen. So you've got this lift 372 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: in your mood, this lift in your energy, and that 373 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: is when you can train really, really hard. And even 374 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: with strength training you get more gains. And I think 375 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: what we don't even hear a lot about is with 376 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 2: strength training in males and females, that both males and 377 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 2: females have estrogen testosterone, and how do you get those 378 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 2: to work for you? When with you and for me, 379 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: need's assumed that everything's pretty steady, but for women, we 380 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: know it literally hits the roof and then it hits 381 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 2: the floor, and it's not fact did in. 382 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: H Yeah, it's really I mean to be able to 383 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: And this is one of the things about you know, 384 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: broadly speaking, we talk about exercise programming nutrition. And it's 385 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: like when somebody says to me, Craig, what's the best 386 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: way to do X y Z, And I say, well, 387 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: for who, Because the answer to that question will be 388 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: twenty different answers for twenty different people. Because everybody not 389 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: only obviously men and women different, but women and women 390 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: are different. Men and men are different, you know, twenty 391 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: year olds and forty year olds are different. Everybody's genetically 392 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: predisposed to respond or interact in a different way with 393 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: different stimuli. And it's trying to figure out, you know, 394 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: how your body, like I don't know about you, but 395 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: speaking about you know, menstrual cycles and something, menstrual cycles 396 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: and such like, some women fly through that with like 397 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: very little disturbance or issue or problem, and then for 398 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: some women it's a fucking nightmare every four weeks, you know. 399 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: And it's like wow, and there's no I mean, obviously 400 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: there's a reason, but there's no obvious apparent reason why 401 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: that should be so different. 402 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: I find that fascinating too, because mine has never bothered me. 403 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 2: I haven't paid enough attention to it. Now that I've 404 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: got girls that are potentially going to go through this, 405 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: And I heard a very close person to me said 406 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 2: to me the other day, Oh, my doctor thinks maybe 407 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: I should get a hysterectomy. And I'm like, oh my god, 408 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: do not do that unresearched. You do not appreciate the 409 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: role that those hormones are playing in your body. If 410 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 2: you do not need one, do not do that unresearched. 411 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 2: It could be the worst thing you would ever ever do. 412 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: And I know that. People My auntie was forced to 413 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 2: have one in her twenties, early twenties, I think it was, 414 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: and I know that that played havoc for her with 415 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: the way that she felt about everything. And of course 416 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 2: it will because you're taking out, you know, that hormonal balance. 417 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: It is supposed to be there for maybe up until 418 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: we're in our forties or fifties. So to lose that 419 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: in your twenties definitely disturbs your emotions and a lot 420 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: lot more. 421 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: You know, And this is a real case for you know, 422 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: everything is like, you know, everything is an integration. You know. 423 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: It's like the mind, the body, the emotions, the cardiovascular system, 424 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: the endocrime system, the muscular system, you know, the reproductive system. 425 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: Like in research and science, it all operates in disparate 426 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: this over here and then we've got that over there, 427 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: then we've got that. But in reality, you know, as 428 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: as a as a functional human, everything affects everything all 429 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: the time, you know. And it's like, and I've said 430 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: this too many times, but you have a thought which 431 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: is a non physical thing, a thought, and then that 432 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: might all of that thought could create a physiological response 433 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: like elevated heart rate or breathing or blood pressure or 434 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: cortisol or don't mean whatever, the thought is right, and like, 435 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: nothing operates in isolation, and that's why sometimes you think, 436 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: I wish my endochronologists could talk to my dietitian could 437 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: talk to my ep exos physiologists could talk to my 438 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 1: you could talk. I wish I had a whole fucking 439 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: team rather than people going, well, I'm an expert in that, 440 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: so I'm going to tell you to get your thyroid out. 441 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: But my nature paths going, no, don't fucking do that. 442 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: Don't do that. 443 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,239 Speaker 2: Is the problem with our whole healthcare system. My very 444 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: best girlfriend, who works in intensive care, will undeniably tell 445 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: you that the whole healthcare system is pretty much stuffed 446 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 2: because we just specialize on one part of it. We 447 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 2: don't have communication with everyone else in their different specialties, 448 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 2: and that is not how you create a healthy well organism. 449 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: It's like saying, I'm going to take my car for 450 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 2: a service, but today I'm going to get the right wheel. 451 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: Tomorrow I'm going to get the frickin' engine. The next time, 452 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 2: I'm going to look at the exhaust, and I'm going 453 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 2: to look at the gearbox. And I know nothing about cars, 454 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: but I know that that's probably not the way you 455 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: do it. 456 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: But also sometimes you'll take your car to the mechanic 457 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: and you'll go can you look at the engine? And 458 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: he or she goes, oh my god, we need to 459 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: do this. It's going to cost you eight grand. Then 460 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: you take it to another mechanic, same qualification, and they go, no, 461 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: not at all. You just need a head gasket. It's 462 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: going to be a grand. Yeah. So not only is there, but. 463 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: To test it, you turn on the car, so the 464 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: whole thing has to work. Testing this in the specialist 465 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: world will fix this broken bit. Let's see if the 466 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: whole body works. 467 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 4: You know, yes, yes, and you think exactly, and then 468 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 4: you think about like the fact that and this is 469 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 4: not a slight on the medical profession or doctors, because 470 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 4: that's the way that they were trained. 471 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: But I mean, how many people could avoid medication. I'm 472 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: not saying in all cases, of course, but if for example, 473 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: they had less stress, they had more movement, they had 474 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: better nutrition, they had better sleep, they had a job 475 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: that they loved. And I know I'm talking idellically everybody, 476 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: I get that. But rather than saying, well, you're stressed, here, 477 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: take this. What if you're stressed, here, do some box breathing. 478 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: Try this, yes, or try try training, because we know 479 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: that exercise is one of the best treatments for anxiety 480 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 1: and stress. We know that, we know it. You know, 481 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: it affects your nervous system, affects all the hormones stress 482 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: on you know. And of course there is a real 483 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: clinical need, of course for certain drugs for certain conditions, 484 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: of course, But I just feel like all you need 485 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: to do these days is show up and go oh 486 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: I feel like that, and it's boom, here's three prescriptions. 487 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: And I just don't know that the trajectory we're on 488 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: that it's really creating a healthy population. 489 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: It's not sustainable long term, and especially what you said 490 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: about depression anxiety, look at the Smiles trial with the 491 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 2: Professor Police Jacko, who looked at cognant behavioral therapy or 492 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: counseling for people with anxiety and depression versus putting them 493 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: on a medi trainean diet. People that went on their 494 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: Mediterranean diet got remission rates of twenty five to thirty 495 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 2: five percent. People that did their traditional counseling got seven percent. 496 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: So change your food, change your mental health. And we 497 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: all know there is nobody on the planet that cannot 498 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: say after they went for a walk or did a 499 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: workout that they didn't feel better, no matter what the 500 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 2: stress is, or after sleep. And I used to always 501 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: think it was nutrition, exercise, sleep, and now I'm completely 502 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: the other way. I think it's definitely sleep first, exercise second, 503 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: and maybe maybe nutrition last. I being excose physiologists and dietian, 504 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: I always put nutrition first. But I think no matter 505 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: who you are or what you do, if you move 506 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: your body, you feel better. And if you feel better, 507 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: then you're going to make better choices with your nutrition. 508 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: Whereas if you feel like crap, well yeah, it's going 509 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: to be hard to eat well. 510 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: Now, listeners, if you can hear that little noise that's 511 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: coming from Kate's mic or something. It sounds like a 512 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: little burp coming through. I'm just telling you everyone, I'm 513 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: not burping. Neither's Kate's. Maybe it's your headset or something 514 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: that's very funny. But I want to tell you, pursuant 515 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: to this particular conversation, your honor, that there's another book 516 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: for you to put on your list if you haven't 517 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: read it already. It is by an author and researcher 518 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: called Abigail Shreier. Abigail Shreier who interviewed hundreds of therapists 519 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: and psychologists and psychiatrists, and the name of the book 520 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: is Bad Therapy. And basically what they've discovered is that 521 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: talk therapy for some people as good and for some 522 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: people makes it worse. So, you know, for some people 523 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: going and talking to you know, Barry or Sally the 524 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: psychologist or psychiatrist every Tuesday afternoon at four to open 525 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: that door on that thing that happened five years ago, 526 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: and now I'm reliving the trauma and now I'm talking 527 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: about that again, and now I'm emotional, and now I 528 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: feel all of these things. Now I'm not throwing it 529 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: under the bus, but there's they now know that for 530 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: some people some people talk therapy is good. Like some 531 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: people can eat nuts, not everyone can. Some people can 532 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: drink milk, not everybody can. It's the same thing, but 533 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't work for everybody. And so to assume that. 534 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: And it's interesting when I started, I'm halfway through it. 535 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 1: But when I heard about this book, I heard her 536 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: on another podcast, I went, ah, that's like me. That's 537 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: like me. Now I don't me and therapy. I think 538 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: therapy is great for certain people. And I'm the first 539 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: to go, oh, I've got issues hundred percent. I've got issues. 540 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: I've got things I need to sort through. Do I 541 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: overthink yep? Have I ever got yep? But the way 542 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: that it works for me is I might talk to 543 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: somebody when I want to, like a person like you, 544 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: I might go, hey, I'm dealing with Then you go no, no, no. 545 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: But for me to go sit in a chair and 546 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: then on queue just talk about shit. For me, that 547 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: isn't the protocol. I tend to go a little bit inward. 548 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm very solution focused. I'm all about, Okay, this is 549 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: the problem. How do I fix the problem. And then generally, 550 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: like a day later or two days later or a 551 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: week later, I'll emerge like a little worm sticking his 552 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: head out of the hole, and I'll go, Okay, it's 553 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: not like, oh, I'm all better now, but I've got 554 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: some clarity. I've got some clarity that anxiety that was 555 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: there as subsided. I you know, but it's just interesting 556 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: that some of the things that we thought were you know, 557 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: it's like when people go, oh, you need to go 558 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: and talk to someone. Yeah, maybe not, maybe not. 559 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: I do you know what, I couldn't agree more. I 560 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 2: find that spending time with my closest friend is the 561 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: best therapy I can ever ever have because your good 562 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: friends don't judge you. They don't make assumptions about who 563 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 2: you are, and I'm sure a good therapist doesn't either. 564 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: But I think the feeling is, this person's going to 565 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: judge me, this person's going to put me in this 566 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: box here, this person's going to assume X about So 567 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 2: either we don't open up, or we open up, but 568 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: we feel like we're being judged, and then maybe we 569 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: change our story a little bit. And yes, yeah, but 570 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more that I see a lot of 571 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: people that get a lot of help from it, but 572 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: I feel like they've made a human connection that it's 573 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: perhaps not the therapy itself, it's the human connection with 574 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: another person that they feel gets them and doesn't judge them. 575 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 1: I've spoken about this a few times before. You might 576 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: have heard of it, but the University of South Australia 577 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: published some research I think it was November last year 578 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: looking at the impact which you've already spoken about, but 579 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: looking at the impact of exercise on depression and anxiety 580 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: as a treatment protocol. Yeah, an as an intervention. Amazing. 581 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: In this particular study, it outformed all the drugs by far. 582 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: Now again we're not saying drugs are terrible. We're not 583 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: saying there is no place for medicine. Not saying that. 584 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: We're saying that. You know, like when you think, you 585 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: think about, well, what does a drug do to your body? 586 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: It changes you buy a chemistry like it changes, right, 587 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: And what does exercise do? Ah changes you buy a 588 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: chemistry like what it's you're doing something to your body, 589 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: like you're moving your body or you're putting some external 590 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: thing in your body. But the reason that you're doing 591 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: that is you're trying to make your body feel a 592 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: certain way or produce a certain outcome. And you know, 593 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: it's like you hug someone, you're changing your buy a chemistry. Now, 594 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: here's the interesting thing about that. You go to a 595 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: fucking you know, a wedding where you're just with you know, 596 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: and you meet that relative that you really don't like 597 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: and you've got to give them a hug. Well, the 598 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: chemicals that you're producing are way different to when you 599 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: hug your grandma that you fucking love, right, So the 600 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: same thing produces a different outcome depending on how you 601 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: feel about that person that you are hugging. 602 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely creepy, So a ringe of hug. 603 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: Hundred Yeah, it's like obviously this before too, you know. 604 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: So I'm a motorcyclist. So I've got four bikes and 605 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: I love bikes, and I every now and then someone 606 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: will jump on the back and go for a ride. Now, 607 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: depending on how a person feels about that, they're going 608 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: to be on the back producing adrenaline and cortisol and 609 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: or they're fucking going to be in doorphins and dopamine 610 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: and loving it. So either something bad or something good 611 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: is happening in their body, depending on how they feel 612 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: about being on a motorbike with squeeze and nuts up 613 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: the front taking them along beach road or whatever it is. 614 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 2: I would least literally just had that experience. I went 615 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: on the back of a boat bike with a girlfriend 616 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 2: of mine and she's tiny and rides motorbikes, and she's like, 617 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: just hang hang on, not too tight. Apparently my inner 618 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 2: size crushed her because I was hanging on for dear 619 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 2: life and I didn't want to grab her around the 620 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 2: neck because she's so little, but I crushed in with 621 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: my leg. She's like, just relax, just have fun. All 622 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 2: I could think about was my bleeding body across the road. 623 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: Just like, nothing fun about that is it is really 624 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: and that's the relationship that we have or our story 625 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: about whatever it is. It's like because I'm more relaxed 626 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: on a motorbike than in a car. Oh yeah, I 627 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: definitely definitely. I don't. I'm if I'm traveling somewhere, ten times, 628 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: nine of those times will be on a motorbike. I 629 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: do not drive very much. I typically only drive if 630 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: I have to or if it's raining, and even then, 631 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: unless it's heavy rain, I might still take a motorbike, 632 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, So like you're. 633 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 2: Very trusting of other people. Then because I think that's 634 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 2: my fear. I would jump out of an airplane because 635 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 2: I could pull my parachute, and I've done that and 636 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 2: I quite enjoy that. But getting on a motorbike where 637 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 2: some idiot might something stupid on the road, I don't 638 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 2: trust them. 639 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. Hey, 640 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: I just I'm looking at the time. We've got to 641 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: be quick. I want to circle back to one thing 642 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 1: that you said, because I feel like some people might go, 643 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: is that true? You said that women are more efficient? 644 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: Did you say it fat burning than men fat? 645 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 646 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So then my question is why do women typically 647 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: not always, of course everyone, but typically why do women 648 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: have a higher body fat percentage? 649 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 2: So they can use it? You can use it, so 650 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: that body fat there is there to make sure that 651 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 2: you can ovulate and that you can carry a baby, 652 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 2: and it's there. 653 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: To be used. 654 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 2: So how much of it do we need? Well, not 655 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 2: as much as seventy percent of the population, but we 656 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,479 Speaker 2: need it and it's really critical. We know we can't 657 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 2: feel pregnant without it, that if your body weighs too though, 658 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 2: you will not fall pregnant. That we know that fat 659 00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 2: actually produces chemicals as well and hormone, so we need 660 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 2: certain levels of fat, and that fat plays a metabolic role, 661 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 2: which for years we thought it didn't. We thought it 662 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: was just a storage of energy that did nothing, and 663 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 2: now we know it's a metabolic tissue. So it definitely 664 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 2: plays a role. And I certainly have seen rat in 665 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 2: my studies where they talk about fat storage and actually 666 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 2: putting a say a stone in a backpack of a 667 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 2: rat or like a backpack over rat and getting them 668 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 2: to exercise and then taking it away, and it's the 669 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 2: pull of gravity from the weight that changes their body 670 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 2: weight and their appetite. So they eat up to that 671 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,439 Speaker 2: extra weight because of the pull of gravity. So there's 672 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 2: something about fat cells that regulates fat cells. So that's 673 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 2: what that study was all about. It was just saying 674 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 2: that it's not just gravity, it's also fat cells controlling 675 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 2: our weight, not lean muscle cells. That's why when people 676 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 2: lose weight on say something like ozen picle, they lose 677 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 2: it really really quickly, or maybe they lose it in 678 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 2: fat dieting or some other way. They tend to regain 679 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 2: the fat weight first, because the fat weight has a 680 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 2: some sort of regulator around it and then you regain 681 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 2: the lean body mass. But most people start dieting again 682 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 2: before they gain the lean body mass, so then they 683 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 2: put on more and more fat. And that's why yuyo 684 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 2: dieting ends up in people becoming more and more higher 685 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 2: percentage of body fat, Whereas if in fact you weighted, 686 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 2: your lean body mass would come back and then your 687 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 2: metabolic rate would go up again and then you could 688 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 2: get rid of more body fat and it would be 689 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 2: more successful. So don't quit too early is really the key. 690 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. So when you lose weight quickly, everyone 691 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: you lose what you're losing. When you lose let's say 692 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: you're I hate this, you know number thing, But let's 693 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 1: just say you eighty kilos and you'd like to be sixty, right, 694 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: and I'm not. We're more concerned with body composition, how 695 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: you're put together, rather than a number on the scales. 696 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: But let's just say so the quicker that you lose 697 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: that twenty kilos. So if you lose two or three 698 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: kilos a week, which is a lot, if you only 699 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: weigh eighty as too much, you're losing in this order. 700 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,399 Speaker 1: You're losing water, muscle fat in that order. And then 701 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: when you regain it, which most people will, especially with 702 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: rapid weight loss. What you regain it water fat, muscle last, 703 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: and so as Kate said, you might end up back 704 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: at eighty kilos, but with respect, now you're fatter, So 705 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: now you've got a higher body fat percentage unless lean 706 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: tissue or muscle, and you're back at the same weight. 707 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: So it is that what's your rough guide? My guide 708 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: is about one percent of body weight is not a 709 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: bad rate per week. So if someone weighed ninety kilos 710 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: to lose like point nine or sixty kilos point six 711 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: a week or one hundred and twenty one point two, 712 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 1: do you have a rough weight loss guide that's kind 713 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: of works for you? 714 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 2: Really really interesting point. I love that analogy and I 715 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 2: think that's a nice sustainable way to do it. But 716 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 2: with human beings and their interactions with food, and they're 717 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 2: three hundred thoughts a day, I've seen the most success 718 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: with people getting off as much as they can whilst 719 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 2: they're motivated, but instilling good behaviors along the way, which 720 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 2: include taking up exercise if they don't exercise. So I 721 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 2: tend to find the best outcomes so when they can 722 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 2: get a block of weight off and then tell them 723 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 2: to stop and just live at that new weight for 724 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 2: three months, six months a year, get comfortable at that 725 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 2: new weight, then try and lose your next block of weight. 726 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 2: So that's why I've seen the biggest success. 727 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting, So kind of not go nuts, but 728 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: kind of go nuts. And then because. 729 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 2: Your motivation only lasts a short period of time, so 730 00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 2: use it. Why it's there, and then you feel good. Right, 731 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 2: once you've hit a particular weight, you feel good. And 732 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 2: when you feel good, you look after yourself. So don't 733 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 2: go too long that you start to regain weight and 734 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 2: you feel crappy again. So whilst you're feeling good, relax, 735 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 2: hold that weight and then have another crack ato it again. 736 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 2: So do it in blocks. 737 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: Is that now I'm not questioning that. Is there any research, 738 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: Like I know you do all your own research and 739 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: you're constantly working with people. Is there actually any research 740 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: on that particular protocol. 741 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 2: I haven't looked really deeply into that. It is my anecdotal. Yeah, 742 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,280 Speaker 2: I've seen ten thousand people lose weight, and I think 743 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 2: the ones that are most successful, when they've lost a 744 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 2: big block, right, their weight goes back up, but it 745 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 2: doesn't go back up to where it started. And then 746 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 2: they have another go and they lose a little bit more. 747 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 2: They take a break, so they could be within you know, 748 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: lose ten kilos in six months, and then they might 749 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 2: put on one or two kilo and then they might 750 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 2: go well next year. My goal is to lose another 751 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 2: four kilos. So they lose another four kilos, they put 752 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 2: on one or two kilos, there's still twelve kilos down 753 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 2: from where they started. Don't check my math set, but 754 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 2: you know, so you progressively get there. But I think 755 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 2: when the motivation's high, make the changes, because if you 756 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 2: do not make the changes, then you may, particularly with women, 757 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 2: during a cycle, your weight can change by two to 758 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 2: three kilos. I know that mine does. So all your 759 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 2: motivations are lost in that twenty eight days as your 760 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 2: weight just cycles through holding more water and those sorts 761 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 2: of things. 762 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 1: Oh wow, we're going to do it. You and I 763 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: are going to do a show on motivation one day. 764 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: The other thing, too, though, is over the long term, 765 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: we need our behavior and our habits to outlast our motivation. 766 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: Otherwise we're going to spend the next thirty years stopping 767 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: and starting stuff right, So eventually we need to get 768 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: to the point where we've created a new normal. 769 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, in a sustainable way. Like if you're going to 770 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 2: say I'm giving out chocolate forever, I'll just never blink 771 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 2: at chocolate again. Well is that actually going to work? 772 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 2: Make yourself a rule, have two pieces of chocolate whenever 773 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 2: you want a piece of chocolate. Or I have a 774 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 2: rule with chips. I think I've talked about this. If 775 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,839 Speaker 2: I'm having hot chips, I'll have ten hot chips. I'm 776 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 2: going to have ten hot chips whenever i want ten 777 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 2: hot chips. I could have ten hot chips every day, 778 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 2: but I'm only going to have ten's. 779 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: Yeah that's you know. Yeah, some people are like, fuck 780 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: your ten chip rules had one hundred. Hey Kate, how 781 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: can people find you and follow you and connect with 782 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: you and learn more about befit food and all the 783 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,240 Speaker 1: things that you do. 784 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 2: Now the Beefit Food Australia Instagram or my kates save Instagrams. 785 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,240 Speaker 2: You know's got a bit of stuff there. My LinkedIn 786 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 2: is probably where I'm most active, so old, so boring 787 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 2: that I love LinkedIn, so probably they're perfect. 788 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you, thanks so much for coming to 789 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: play on the you project. I know you had a 790 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: very busy day and I only rang you a few 791 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 1: hours ago in the middle of your mayhem, and you went, oh, well, 792 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,240 Speaker 1: i'm filming this and i'm doing that, and I'm talking 793 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: to this group and I'm but yeah, So thank you 794 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: so much. I appreciate you taking the time my pleasure. 795 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 1: Chat soon, Thanks Kate. We'll say goodbye a fair but 796 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: thanks for now.