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Speaker 3: Now say what an intro boys cut myself up the moving.

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Speaker 1: Hey just on that as well? Just fight wise, are

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Speaker 2: Were hearing that Barry Hall there was going to be

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying to get back in the room before

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Speaker 2: He does be similar height, wouldn't you yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: he's a good boxer though, Sonny. He's quick, he's and

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Speaker 3: When when you have that drive, that motivation, it comes

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Speaker 1: It's an amazing story, Sonny.

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Speaker 2: And this is why I'm so excited to read this

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Speaker 3: Young men, young women that are making mistakes. We all

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Speaker 4: They're not bad people.

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Speaker 3: My message when I talk to youngsters is have some

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Speaker 2: I don't know if anything comes to your mind but

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: I think I've had so many of those notes just

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Speaker 4: Quite a shy person, aren't you, naturally?

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Speaker 1: You're in front of a camera. Come, what am I doing?

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Speaker 3: And it's like even it's like the the anxiety that

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Speaker 4: You know, we were talking about the other day on

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Speaker 4: It is actually William Williams.

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Speaker 3: All right, I was I was saying to some old but

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Why do you have to

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Speaker 1: He just loved it so much.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, my pop's name was William, but everyone used

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Speaker 4: Paul Gallon, Yes, will it won it? Ever?

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Speaker 3: Well this is you know, this is the honest answer.

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Speaker 3: Then answer he wants to? Of course he does. The

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Speaker 3: he wants his cape in all the it's Paul Gallon's way,

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Speaker 3: you whenever. But I'm just like, but I'm just doing me. Yes, Sure,

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Speaker 3: when when that's telling me I might finish up, I said, Bro,

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Speaker 4: Right when you're ready, Because you know what everyone said

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Speaker 1: Would be huge Barry Hall. Barry Hall is going to

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Speaker 2: And then I think, Sonny, if you you know, if through, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's right. You get a couple of fights. That's what

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Speaker 3: And by no means am I disrespecting Barry For me,

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Speaker 3: Barrier is a bitter boxer. Yes, you know, Barrier is

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Speaker 3: Paul is a challenge. Yes, But you know, I just

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Speaker 2: Body, you can't stop the sun from shining. That is

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Speaker 2: Sonny Bill Williams's new book. Brother mate. Very proud of

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Speaker 2: what you've done. It's been an amazing sporting career. It's

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Speaker 2: not over yet. Congratulations on your family and we appreciate

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you boys, thanks for having me on here.

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