WEBVTT - #1950 Dating AI - Patrick Bonello 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.800 I'll get at me into you project. It's Tiffany and Cook, 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.080 It's Patrick James Bonello. It's me, the one in the 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.680 middle on my screen anyway, the one in the middle, tiff. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:10.960 Where am I on your screen? Middle? Bottom? Top? 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.200 You are the middle child, But I've got to speak 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.360 of you, so you're real big when you talk. 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.320 Oh, I don't like that. I don't like that. Patrick. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.440 Where am I on yours? And where's tiff on yours? 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.280 Well, you're at the top and tips at the bottom, 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:24.960 so I'm being cuddled in the middle. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.319 All right. So you've got like a little kind of 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:31.560 like a vertical pile of us. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.200 Yeah, your big spoon and TIFF's little spoon. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.800 I have to put it on speak of you otherwise 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:39.880 I'm like a little budgery gar with a mirror. 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:41.680 I'm like, oh, look at that. 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:41.720 That's me. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.640 Yeah, yeah, No, I don't like that. I like every 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.440 like do you know what I do? I have Patrick's 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.519 notes that he sent through in the middle of my 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.920 gigantic screen, and then our little faces up the top, 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:56.680 all like about the size of a match box. 0:00:58.080 --> 0:00:59.680 So you really don't see us at all. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.160 Now I can see you clearly, totally can tolerate that 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:11.680 can see clearly. Now Lorraine has gone, Thank goodness. Patrick, 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:16.400 Let's start with you in what looks like the International 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.600 Space station where you are look. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.160 No, well, okay, I'm sitting at my little podcast studio 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.000 and I've got a fake International space station background. But 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.039 I really want to kind of focus on a more 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.280 important thing because our listeners can't see that we're actually 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.920 sitting in three different locations using zoom. They just didn't 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.399 see you use a tea towel to blow your nose. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.480 It's not a tea towel, it's. 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.600 A chemy that you wipe up with. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.240 No, it's not a chammy. It's a yellow kerchief. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.840 It looks like a chevy. You just wipe his face 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:53.680 with a Chevy. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.640 Well, now that you mentioned it, that's probably not a 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.520 bad idea. But I mean, shemys are for wiping things, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.160 so I might look into that. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:05.120 And then your face would look a lot cleaner. Sorry, 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.040 that started off well, didn't it. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.000 I just I was praising you. I was telling everyone. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.160 I was telling you three before we went live that 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.880 on the International Banello scale of how good people can be, 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.880 you're the high watermark. And then you shit care me 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.040 straight out of the gate on my own fucking show. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.400 I just wanted to clarify that you weren't using you 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.280 get your voice a couple of octaves lower as nuts. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.280 Now Fritz is on his bed warming here I turned 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:32.840 the heater on early. Now I'm getting too. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.320 Oh now he's getting fuck and now he's getting his 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:45.880 guns out. Sheep id you hold yourself back. Ah, dear Chip, 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:47.120 how are you? Good morning? 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.200 Fabulous harps, thanks fantastic. 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.080 How's how's the household full of animals? 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.160 Oh it's goods, everything's calm, everything's calm. 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.040 Now, happy animals. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:05.720 I found a new animal that both of you would want. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:10.720 What is it? It's a it's a a hybrid, so 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.679 not it's not pretend it's real. I think it's called 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:19.079 a doxam anyway, a dog and a fox hybrid. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.120 Really yeah, I just looked up doxham, and I mustn't 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.000 have spelled it correctly, because I just got the women. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.280 Don't look up doxam. Whatever you do. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:30.840 Sure you didn't look up buxham. 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.640 No do o x U M. I don't know, it. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.920 Might be I am, I don't know. Just look dog, 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:41.920 look dog fox hybrid. Oh, this is great, I'll just 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.080 talk to everyone because those two dumbasses. I guess it's 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.920 on my instruction, so it's my fault. Have you seen it. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:52.120 I don't think they're. 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:56.040 Ugly, don't you. Actually they do kind of have a 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:57.200 cute little foxy fog. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.200 God, they look like a bloody hyena hybrid. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.200 Ah. I thought you two were animal lovers. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.400 Well yeah, but Tiff, you know, has her lovely animal. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.000 It's got to be cute. It's a little easy stick up, 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:13.000 like a little ewok. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.440 Yeah, yeah, So I don't know that i'd want one 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:17.960 in the house. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:23.400 It looks like the answer to the question no one asked, Well. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:29.599 Fucking sorry, Sigmund Freud, what would you like to talk about? Sorry, 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.640 Leonardo da Vinci sorrow? Sorry Jesus, where would you like 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:38.960 to go with the conversation? Come on, Delai Lama, you 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:39.800 open the batting. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:42.919 You know I've got a connection to the deal alarm. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.920 And not only have I been in the same room 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.479 with the Delai Lama, I was born on the same day. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.719 You and I were in the same room at the 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.039 same time with him, Damas, how's your memory? 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.400 I did say that, I didn't I just conveniently left 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:58.440 you out of the equation. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:03.040 Welcome back to so Now Central. I'm Patrick Beranello. Episode 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.880 number I'm not sure. Hey tell do you want to 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.640 hear Madellai Lama story? Come on, bro, do better. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.200 This is already my favorite episode. 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.560 Really, we're talking to nobody because everyone's turned off. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.400 They love this except our listeners are maniacs. They're like, 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.599 fuck all the information, just talk shit? 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.720 Can I just all about something? All of them this week? 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.000 I remember how a few weeks ago we offered people 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.520 a free domain name and like nothing happened, no one 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.520 took it up. And then and then I got a 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.880 message from Lovely Magdalena who says that this is her 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.080 favorite segment of the show. How good is that. She's 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:50.919 in Adelaide and and she she is a one of 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.320 those she does a civil celebrant, so it got chatting 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.000 to her during the week. But she loves the show, 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:56.920 she loves the well. 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.719 Shout out, shout out to Magdalene. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.080 Magdalena, it is but everyone calls a magde when you 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:08.240 get close and personal, you know, once you becomes. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.239 Someone for seventeen minutes, now it's his bestie. It's pretty 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:14.040 much joined at the hip for a state of time. 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.080 He's so needy everyone, whatever you do, don't send him 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.480 an email. You'll never fucking get rid of him. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:32.240 This is actually very very god oh god, Okay, let's 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:32.760 start again. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.919 Hey everyone, welcome to the You Project. I'm Craig Harper. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.600 This is a hard hitting podcast where we explore the 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:42.560 human experience. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:42.880 Hi. 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.159 Patrick, Oh hey Craig, Nice to see you. Hi Tiff, 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:47.440 Great to have you on the show. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:54.719 Yeah, Tiff, gooday, gooday, gooday. All silliness societe. How what 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.520 is mag to do? So she's a civil celebrate, Yeah, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.040 so weddings and funerals. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.920 Yeah, but she's kind of tending towards funerals now, which 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:04.560 kind of makes sense because you've got a plan a wedding, 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.080 what eighteen months in advance, different minds, And also, you know, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.320 weddings are on weekends, right and funerals are during the week, 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:12.280 So if you want to do it. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.160 Sure about your rational on that makes sense? What so 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.720 what are you saying like it's much more convenient for 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.600 people to die is less planning? 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.600 Well, you've got a pretty ongoing, steady audience, haven't you 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:23.760 really when you think about it. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.720 Oh god, this got this took a dark turn. Let's 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.720 start again. Everyone, welcome to the you project. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.680 Look because I would Okay, now I have in my 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.240 will a very clear I do not want a funeral. 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.040 I've got two and a half grand at the local pub, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.320 and I'm inviting all my friends me not included, of course. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.000 Maybe in an ashtray. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.920 I should just put you in a weekend at Bernie's 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.480 style outfit and fucking prop you in the corner. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.880 Now, my twin brother will probably be there, so I'll 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:54.960 just know, just look at him. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:58.480 Oh that'll be. That'll freak people out. He should just 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.960 he should put on a white sheet and just walk 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:07.640 in halfway through unannounced. Go what do you all doing? Yeah? 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.600 No, but if you if you don't want a religious 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.280 ceremony and you want a celebrant to do a wedding 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.239 or a funeral or something, it kind of makes sense. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.560 Yeah anyway, So magnismine, you mate. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.840 You and I chatted about this yesterday to forty your thoughts, 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:26.040 Like Patrick and I fucking much to both of our annoyance, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.440 we kind of agree on this, which is a weird thing. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.680 So just put that in the typ diary and that 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:36.200 neither of us really want a funeral. I I don't 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.480 know the idea of people. Yeah, I know the people 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.840 coming from all over to stand around and go, oh, 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.600 he was a good bloke when they probably didn't really 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.880 think that half of them, and then everyone. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:54.000 Everybody thinks it. With Patrick, you gotta put on something. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.800 Though he's not saying nobody gets anything in safe. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:58.760 I'm happy to do that. I just don't want a 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.160 bunch of people in a church staring at a coffin 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.000 with what used to be me in it. I'm not 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:05.680 there anymore. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:08.480 What about you? 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:10.679 But where are you going to go? When you're not 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:11.960 on to the other place. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.120 I'm going to the next place. I'm just warming up. 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:18.720 Now you're gonna drop by, and just you know, I'm. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.760 Going to be watching you like a fucking hawk, and 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:28.119 you better do better. You just remember I'm around. 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.800 Don't you pay attention to You? 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.400 Pay attention because you go? Is that you. 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:36.280 Harps carrying to it at this moment, we'll live with 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:37.040 me forever. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:37.840 Good. 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.000 I hope I go first, because. 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.920 Because when I go to God, that's what Mary says. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.400 I'm not going anywhere when it comes to you, I'm 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.680 just gonna to look over here. 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.520 That's crapy nowhere about that? 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:57.959 Sorry, Patrick, So I want to get again. Hey everyone, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.480 welcome to the You project, fifth time we've started. So 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.280 what do your family and friends think about the idea 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.720 of just boos and chips at the pub but no 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:09.800 actual funeral. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.240 My friends think it's a great idea, but I haven't 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.680 really articulated it to my family. I've just basically said 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.040 I don't want a funeral. They tap now, well, now 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:21.200 have you? Everyone knows? 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.320 So what will they do with your body? Just pop 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.439 it in the garden or something, or some food, Just 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:33.040 turn you into a bag of fertilizer. That's okay, tips 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:34.360 reading something you can tell you. 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.600 I'm deep in thought. I'm deep in thoughts. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:41.679 I'm thinking about well, people like yourself and myself. You 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.640 have to have the conversation, like I'm like, have you 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:45.360 let me listen? 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:45.800 Know what? 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.080 How this party is going to roll out? Because it's 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.960 not like there's a significant other hanging around in the 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.680 next room waiting to put it all together. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:11:00.040 Yeah, well, well that would Melissa would probably have to 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.280 be the one that would execute my wishes. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:03.439 I don't think she's. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:09.640 Not a big fan of talking about me dying, So 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.679 I'll just pop it in a little email and she 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.000 can open it when I die. I'll go there you go, 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:14.480 here you go. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.199 Yeah, but yes, I love you again. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:17.800 Yeah. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.960 See, it's been great. It's been great. You can have 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:28.600 you know, all my Camo shorts and yeah, yeah, you 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.360 might even get a motorbike. Who knows, I'll have to 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.320 give you one. You can ride though, I mean you can, 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.440 Frid well. But what I mean is there are a 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.079 couple of them a bit big for you. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.080 You gave away that pinball machine. That's what I would 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:42.520 have wanted. You're all pinball? 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.199 Yeah, that that is true. I did give that away. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:47.840 What would you like of mind, Patrick? 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:52.680 Your pinball? Okay, all right, a big framed poster. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.800 Is there any chance we could talk about tech today? 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:58.719 And I know I'm the problem so far? 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.439 Well, okay, so this is important because that email that 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.000 you were going to send, like it's sitting in wherever 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.760 it's sitting on your computer. What happens if your computer 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.360 get tacked and ransomware locks you out of that important 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.360 email to Melissa with instructions of the piss up when 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:14.920 you diet. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.560 Oh shit, I don't know. I guess i'd have to 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.360 have a plan. B. Yeah, i'd have to. I don't know, 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.120 but yeah, okay, so tell me what I do. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.000 Well, because you know how ransomware works, so you probably 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:31.040 familiar ish with how ransomware works. So someone hacks into 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.200 your computer, you click on it an unsuspecting link, and 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.840 then what the ransomware does. It locks up all the files, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.960 It encodes them so you can't access them. Then you 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.920 get contacted by the nefarious people who have done that, 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:49.120 and they extort money from you to unlock those files 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.080 so you can get access to your data again. And 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.040 there have been companies that have actually gone bankrupt and 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.720 have shut down because they didn't want to pay the ransom. Well, 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.000 they couldn't afford the ransom. So this is really sick. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.760 And in Japan now police have now there's two types 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.880 of ransomware that are very prolific. One is called Faux 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.360 Boss and one is called eight Base, And now Japanese 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.319 police are saying they've cracked it. They've they've worked out 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:19.880 a way to encrypt that ransomware data, the stuff that's 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.760 been you know, but that's locked to beredy out and 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.440 they're giving it away for free, which I thought was 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.199 kind of a cool thing because you know, if you're 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.760 a small business or an individual who's been subjected to 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.640 having all their information and it could just be all 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.520 your photos and all the words, and imagine all the 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.320 work you've done for your PhD. Could you imagine devastating 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.400 that would be. So I just think it's great that 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.760 the Japanese police have done this. There was a big 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:52.080 operation recently where they raided these people who make these 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:57.400 ransomware tools, and it looks like they've cracked it. So 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.320 that's that's kind of good news for people out there. 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.960 So they're giving it away for free. You can go 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:03.959 you can go to their website and there's an English 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.440 version as well, and you can hopefully use it to 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.120 decrypt any of the ransomware that might have infected your system. 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.600 I reckon Japan are ahead of the game. They do 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.680 a lot of good stuff over there. They seem to 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.880 be they seem to have a good social conscience for 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:23.920 everyone as well, like they seem to genuinely care about people, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:30.040 which is nice. So yeah, is is that that's more 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.280 that's not so much the individual out in suburbia. Is 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.040 it's more companies and organizations that are going to have 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:36.560 that threat. 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.840 Yeah, will not necessarily, No, everybody can be affected by it, 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.560 that's right. It's so prolific, and it could just be 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.880 that it's the freckle faced kid who decides to try 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.720 to infect someone's computer and wants fifty bucks down to 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.960 you know, the big mega corporation where they're trying to 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.600 extort twenty million dollars. You know. The problem is these tools, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:03.200 these ransom tools, and now fairly readily available to people 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.160 who know where to look at them in the dark, 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:09.720 deep corners of the Internet. And that's the problem. It's 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.960 making it easier for people to access this stuff. So 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.560 I just thought it was a little plus for anybody 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.119 that might potentially get ransomed. 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.400 I think I told you about this a year or 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.360 two ago on the show. Somebody sent me an email going, 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:30.080 we've got access to whatever. No, we've got Actually it's 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.480 a video of you being inappropriate while watching it. I'm 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.520 like that, if you don't send us whatever we're going 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.840 to I'm like, knock yourself out. Send it out. My 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:45.880 friends would love that, would they love it? 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.200 When they sent it to me, I wasn't that impressed. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.840 Actually, I'm on, but you didn't find the zoom function digitis. 0:15:54.080 --> 0:16:00.520 Ah, is that right, mister ed Hello Wilbur, All right, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.200 could you talk about Chinese authorities and how they're using 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:06.560 a new tool Patrick? 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.680 Yeah, how I just jumped straight out of that. 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.440 Well, it's kind of interesting. We're talking about ransom, we're 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.960 now talking about malware. Chinese authorities have worked out they 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:22.760 can use malware to break into people's phones when you 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.400 enter We kind of heard about this in the United 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.960 States when you travel to the United States, where your 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.240 phone could be seized and they demand that you give 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.360 them access. And look, I don't know if there's due 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.720 cause or whatever, but now they're saying, if you go 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.000 to China, there's a real possibility that even if you 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.760 don't give them access, they can hack into your phone 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.160 physically they need to have it. But what this is 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.160 the kind of a warning for people who are traveling 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.800 to China. And the concern also is for Chinese nationals. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.840 If you happen to be a journalist in China and 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.480 you say something that's concrete to the state policy, and 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.040 you know that that could be really concerning as well. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.280 So this was in our article on tech Crunch, and 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.959 they were reporting on a mobile computer company, a company 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.560 called Lockout, and they were saying that, yeah, this new 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.439 tool now looks like they can hacken to at least 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.920 all the Android phones out there. Ones tend to be 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.280 a little bit harder to break into, and Apple have 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.320 had some really big kind of fights with you know, 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.920 large kind of governments that have kind of said to them, well, 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.240 we're not going to let you access our phones. One 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:33.800 of the things we take a lot of pride in 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.400 is the security on our phones. And that's a real 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.760 problem because if say someone's accused of doing something nefarious 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.080 or it might be terrorism related, they may want to 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.000 get access to their phone data. And you know, Apple's 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.360 kind of standing by its customers and saying, well, we 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.359 lock people out. We you know, this is your privacy, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.000 and we encrypt the data and even if we could 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:57.879 open it, we couldn't see it. So that's the the 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.399 you know, the the stands that Apple takes. But there 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.520 has been a big uptake of Apple phones. I thought 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.760 that was interesting when I was in China that when 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.719 I first went there in twenty thirteen, nobody had our 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.800 iPhones at all, and everybody was using Android and mainly 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.880 Samsung and Huiawei and show me and all that sort 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.399 of thing. And then next time I was there, maybe 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.200 five or six years later, I saw a lot more 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.520 iPhones out there, which was interesting. And Australia has a 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.520 really high percentage of people on iPhones. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.480 Yeah, just kind of curious. But anyway, so I should 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:33.480 know this. But they're all made in China. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.480 Right, No, not all phones are made in China, the iPhone. 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.680 That's a really good question. I don't know, Crago, I'm 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.080 not sure. I know, can you find that out? I 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.000 know Trump was trying to get them made or maybe 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.080 assembled in the United States, so maybe some of the 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.919 cool components and then they're assembled, because that was the 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.639 big thing with tariffs that you know, there was a 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.040 bit of a panic for the likes of iPhone, even 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.679 though it's an American company. Apple is obviously a mega 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.719 American company, but because they're manufacturing off shore, it means 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.280 that they were subject to tariffs, and then that was 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.119 lifted for ninety days, if you remember, right. 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.200 Can I raise a topic that isn't on your list, 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.359 but I think you'll find it interesting nonetheless, because it 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:24.400 intersects your world and mine. So there's a whole lot 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.280 of I don't know what the word is, but I'm 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.439 going to say angst it's not the right word. But 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.440 it's in the ballpark with universities around Australia and around 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.240 the world at the moment trying to figure out how 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:40.159 the fuck to navigate undergrad degrees and postgrad degrees and 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.800 people and how AI is going to be integrated into 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:49.760 the academic process because it is so easy to cheat now, 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:54.879 especially with undergrad degrees where you've basically got to do 0:19:54.960 --> 0:20:02.480 assignments and research projects. Primarily they can't obviously they can't 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.159 say to students you can't use AI because it's past 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.720 that point. But they're now trying to figure it, figure it, 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.280 figure out how to how to do that, what that 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:16.760 looks like. And I was talking to my senior supervisor yesterday, Chris, 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.760 who's you know, a professor, got two PhDs, blah blah blah, 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.800 And he's actually in the middle of conversations with my 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.679 university around this at the moment. And one of the 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.000 challenges is that the people who are very high up 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.760 in these organizations are generally older and they don't really 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:39.719 understand AI. So but then all the people who do 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.200 have great understanding are not the decision makers. So it's 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.520 it's going to be interesting moving forward to see how 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:49.600 you know, like my PhD is going to be by 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:53.000 the time I finished six years of work but foreseeably 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.239 done the right way, And I put that with an 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.639 asterisk next to it. Somebody could do all of the 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:02.880 work in a PhD in four weeks if they knew 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.719 what they were doing, depending on the type, Like they 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:10.000 couldn't do mine because mine was independent research, right as 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.200 in people in rooms and all of that. But yeah, 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.240 it's going to be interesting to see how that unfolds 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.120 over the next one two five years. 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.920 Yes, because you could do a PhD based on someone 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.720 else's research, can't you, or the data from research well 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:24.600