Speaker 1: I'll get at me into you project. It's Tiffany and Cook,
Speaker 1: It's Patrick James Bonello. It's me, the one in the
Speaker 1: middle on my screen anyway, the one in the middle, tiff.
Speaker 1: Where am I on your screen? Middle? Bottom? Top?
Speaker 2: You are the middle child, But I've got to speak
Speaker 2: of you, so you're real big when you talk.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't like that. I don't like that. Patrick.
Speaker 1: Where am I on yours? And where's tiff on yours?
Speaker 3: Well, you're at the top and tips at the bottom,
Speaker 3: so I'm being cuddled in the middle.
Speaker 1: All right. So you've got like a little kind of
Speaker 1: like a vertical pile of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your big spoon and TIFF's little spoon.
Speaker 2: I have to put it on speak of you otherwise
Speaker 2: I'm like a little budgery gar with a mirror.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, look at that.
Speaker 3: That's me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, I don't like that. I like every
Speaker 1: like do you know what I do? I have Patrick's
Speaker 1: notes that he sent through in the middle of my
Speaker 1: gigantic screen, and then our little faces up the top,
Speaker 1: all like about the size of a match box.
Speaker 3: So you really don't see us at all.
Speaker 1: Now I can see you clearly, totally can tolerate that
Speaker 1: can see clearly. Now Lorraine has gone, Thank goodness. Patrick,
Speaker 1: Let's start with you in what looks like the International
Speaker 1: Space station where you are look.
Speaker 3: No, well, okay, I'm sitting at my little podcast studio
Speaker 3: and I've got a fake International space station background. But
Speaker 3: I really want to kind of focus on a more
Speaker 3: important thing because our listeners can't see that we're actually
Speaker 3: sitting in three different locations using zoom. They just didn't
Speaker 3: see you use a tea towel to blow your nose.
Speaker 1: It's not a tea towel, it's.
Speaker 3: A chemy that you wipe up with.
Speaker 1: No, it's not a chammy. It's a yellow kerchief.
Speaker 3: It looks like a chevy. You just wipe his face
Speaker 3: with a Chevy.
Speaker 1: Well, now that you mentioned it, that's probably not a
Speaker 1: bad idea. But I mean, shemys are for wiping things,
Speaker 1: so I might look into that.
Speaker 3: And then your face would look a lot cleaner. Sorry,
Speaker 3: that started off well, didn't it.
Speaker 1: I just I was praising you. I was telling everyone.
Speaker 1: I was telling you three before we went live that
Speaker 1: on the International Banello scale of how good people can be,
Speaker 1: you're the high watermark. And then you shit care me
Speaker 1: straight out of the gate on my own fucking show.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to clarify that you weren't using you
Speaker 3: get your voice a couple of octaves lower as nuts.
Speaker 3: Now Fritz is on his bed warming here I turned
Speaker 3: the heater on early. Now I'm getting too.
Speaker 1: Oh now he's getting fuck and now he's getting his
Speaker 1: guns out. Sheep id you hold yourself back. Ah, dear Chip,
Speaker 1: how are you? Good morning?
Speaker 2: Fabulous harps, thanks fantastic.
Speaker 1: How's how's the household full of animals?
Speaker 2: Oh it's goods, everything's calm, everything's calm.
Speaker 4: Now, happy animals.
Speaker 1: I found a new animal that both of you would want.
Speaker 1: What is it? It's a it's a a hybrid, so
Speaker 1: not it's not pretend it's real. I think it's called
Speaker 1: a doxam anyway, a dog and a fox hybrid.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, I just looked up doxham, and I mustn't
Speaker 3: have spelled it correctly, because I just got the women.
Speaker 3: Don't look up doxam. Whatever you do.
Speaker 1: Sure you didn't look up buxham.
Speaker 3: No do o x U M. I don't know, it.
Speaker 1: Might be I am, I don't know. Just look dog,
Speaker 1: look dog fox hybrid. Oh, this is great, I'll just
Speaker 1: talk to everyone because those two dumbasses. I guess it's
Speaker 1: on my instruction, so it's my fault. Have you seen it.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're.
Speaker 3: Ugly, don't you. Actually they do kind of have a
Speaker 3: cute little foxy fog.
Speaker 2: God, they look like a bloody hyena hybrid.
Speaker 1: Ah. I thought you two were animal lovers.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but Tiff, you know, has her lovely animal.
Speaker 4: It's got to be cute. It's a little easy stick up,
Speaker 4: like a little ewok.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I don't know that i'd want one
Speaker 1: in the house.
Speaker 3: It looks like the answer to the question no one asked, Well.
Speaker 1: Fucking sorry, Sigmund Freud, what would you like to talk about? Sorry,
Speaker 1: Leonardo da Vinci sorrow? Sorry Jesus, where would you like
Speaker 1: to go with the conversation? Come on, Delai Lama, you
Speaker 1: open the batting.
Speaker 3: You know I've got a connection to the deal alarm.
Speaker 3: And not only have I been in the same room
Speaker 3: with the Delai Lama, I was born on the same day.
Speaker 1: You and I were in the same room at the
Speaker 1: same time with him, Damas, how's your memory?
Speaker 3: I did say that, I didn't I just conveniently left
Speaker 3: you out of the equation.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to so Now Central. I'm Patrick Beranello. Episode
Speaker 1: number I'm not sure. Hey tell do you want to
Speaker 1: hear Madellai Lama story? Come on, bro, do better.
Speaker 4: This is already my favorite episode.
Speaker 3: Really, we're talking to nobody because everyone's turned off.
Speaker 1: They love this except our listeners are maniacs. They're like,
Speaker 1: fuck all the information, just talk shit?
Speaker 3: Can I just all about something? All of them this week?
Speaker 3: I remember how a few weeks ago we offered people
Speaker 3: a free domain name and like nothing happened, no one
Speaker 3: took it up. And then and then I got a
Speaker 3: message from Lovely Magdalena who says that this is her
Speaker 3: favorite segment of the show. How good is that. She's
Speaker 3: in Adelaide and and she she is a one of
Speaker 3: those she does a civil celebrant, so it got chatting
Speaker 3: to her during the week. But she loves the show,
Speaker 3: she loves the well.
Speaker 1: Shout out, shout out to Magdalene.
Speaker 3: Magdalena, it is but everyone calls a magde when you
Speaker 3: get close and personal, you know, once you becomes.
Speaker 1: Someone for seventeen minutes, now it's his bestie. It's pretty
Speaker 1: much joined at the hip for a state of time.
Speaker 1: He's so needy everyone, whatever you do, don't send him
Speaker 1: an email. You'll never fucking get rid of him.
Speaker 3: This is actually very very god oh god, Okay, let's
Speaker 3: start again.
Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to the You Project. I'm Craig Harper.
Speaker 1: This is a hard hitting podcast where we explore the
Speaker 1: human experience.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 3: Patrick, Oh hey Craig, Nice to see you. Hi Tiff,
Speaker 3: Great to have you on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiff, gooday, gooday, gooday. All silliness societe. How what
Speaker 1: is mag to do? So she's a civil celebrate, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so weddings and funerals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's kind of tending towards funerals now, which
Speaker 3: kind of makes sense because you've got a plan a wedding,
Speaker 3: what eighteen months in advance, different minds, And also, you know,
Speaker 3: weddings are on weekends, right and funerals are during the week,
Speaker 3: So if you want to do it.
Speaker 1: Sure about your rational on that makes sense? What so
Speaker 1: what are you saying like it's much more convenient for
Speaker 1: people to die is less planning?
Speaker 3: Well, you've got a pretty ongoing, steady audience, haven't you
Speaker 3: really when you think about it.
Speaker 1: Oh god, this got this took a dark turn. Let's
Speaker 1: start again. Everyone, welcome to the you project.
Speaker 3: Look because I would Okay, now I have in my
Speaker 3: will a very clear I do not want a funeral.
Speaker 3: I've got two and a half grand at the local pub,
Speaker 3: and I'm inviting all my friends me not included, of course.
Speaker 3: Maybe in an ashtray.
Speaker 1: I should just put you in a weekend at Bernie's
Speaker 1: style outfit and fucking prop you in the corner.
Speaker 3: Now, my twin brother will probably be there, so I'll
Speaker 3: just know, just look at him.
Speaker 1: Oh that'll be. That'll freak people out. He should just
Speaker 1: he should put on a white sheet and just walk
Speaker 1: in halfway through unannounced. Go what do you all doing? Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, but if you if you don't want a religious
Speaker 3: ceremony and you want a celebrant to do a wedding
Speaker 3: or a funeral or something, it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah anyway, So magnismine, you mate.
Speaker 1: You and I chatted about this yesterday to forty your thoughts,
Speaker 1: Like Patrick and I fucking much to both of our annoyance,
Speaker 1: we kind of agree on this, which is a weird thing.
Speaker 1: So just put that in the typ diary and that
Speaker 1: neither of us really want a funeral. I I don't
Speaker 1: know the idea of people. Yeah, I know the people
Speaker 1: coming from all over to stand around and go, oh,
Speaker 1: he was a good bloke when they probably didn't really
Speaker 1: think that half of them, and then everyone.
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks it. With Patrick, you gotta put on something.
Speaker 2: Though he's not saying nobody gets anything in safe.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to do that. I just don't want a
Speaker 1: bunch of people in a church staring at a coffin
Speaker 1: with what used to be me in it. I'm not
Speaker 1: there anymore.
Speaker 3: What about you?
Speaker 4: But where are you going to go? When you're not
Speaker 4: on to the other place.
Speaker 1: I'm going to the next place. I'm just warming up.
Speaker 4: Now you're gonna drop by, and just you know, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to be watching you like a fucking hawk, and
Speaker 1: you better do better. You just remember I'm around.
Speaker 3: Don't you pay attention to You?
Speaker 1: Pay attention because you go? Is that you.
Speaker 4: Harps carrying to it at this moment, we'll live with
Speaker 4: me forever.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 4: I hope I go first, because.
Speaker 1: Because when I go to God, that's what Mary says.
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere when it comes to you, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna to look over here.
Speaker 4: That's crapy nowhere about that?
Speaker 5: Sorry, Patrick, So I want to get again. Hey everyone,
Speaker 5: welcome to the You project, fifth time we've started. So
Speaker 5: what do your family and friends think about the idea
Speaker 5: of just boos and chips at the pub but no
Speaker 5: actual funeral.
Speaker 3: My friends think it's a great idea, but I haven't
Speaker 3: really articulated it to my family. I've just basically said
Speaker 3: I don't want a funeral. They tap now, well, now
Speaker 3: have you? Everyone knows?
Speaker 1: So what will they do with your body? Just pop
Speaker 1: it in the garden or something, or some food, Just
Speaker 1: turn you into a bag of fertilizer. That's okay, tips
Speaker 1: reading something you can tell you.
Speaker 4: I'm deep in thought. I'm deep in thoughts.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about well, people like yourself and myself. You
Speaker 2: have to have the conversation, like I'm like, have you
Speaker 2: let me listen?
Speaker 4: Know what?
Speaker 2: How this party is going to roll out? Because it's
Speaker 2: not like there's a significant other hanging around in the
Speaker 2: next room waiting to put it all together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well that would Melissa would probably have to
Speaker 1: be the one that would execute my wishes.
Speaker 4: I don't think she's.
Speaker 1: Not a big fan of talking about me dying, So
Speaker 1: I'll just pop it in a little email and she
Speaker 1: can open it when I die. I'll go there you go,
Speaker 1: here you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yes, I love you again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, it's been great. It's been great. You can have
Speaker 1: you know, all my Camo shorts and yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: might even get a motorbike. Who knows, I'll have to
Speaker 1: give you one. You can ride though, I mean you can,
Speaker 1: Frid well. But what I mean is there are a
Speaker 1: couple of them a bit big for you.
Speaker 3: You gave away that pinball machine. That's what I would
Speaker 3: have wanted. You're all pinball?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is true. I did give that away.
Speaker 1: What would you like of mind, Patrick?
Speaker 3: Your pinball? Okay, all right, a big framed poster.
Speaker 1: Is there any chance we could talk about tech today?
Speaker 1: And I know I'm the problem so far?
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so this is important because that email that
Speaker 3: you were going to send, like it's sitting in wherever
Speaker 3: it's sitting on your computer. What happens if your computer
Speaker 3: get tacked and ransomware locks you out of that important
Speaker 3: email to Melissa with instructions of the piss up when
Speaker 3: you diet.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I don't know. I guess i'd have to
Speaker 1: have a plan. B. Yeah, i'd have to. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, okay, so tell me what I do.
Speaker 3: Well, because you know how ransomware works, so you probably
Speaker 3: familiar ish with how ransomware works. So someone hacks into
Speaker 3: your computer, you click on it an unsuspecting link, and
Speaker 3: then what the ransomware does. It locks up all the files,
Speaker 3: It encodes them so you can't access them. Then you
Speaker 3: get contacted by the nefarious people who have done that,
Speaker 3: and they extort money from you to unlock those files
Speaker 3: so you can get access to your data again. And
Speaker 3: there have been companies that have actually gone bankrupt and
Speaker 3: have shut down because they didn't want to pay the ransom. Well,
Speaker 3: they couldn't afford the ransom. So this is really sick.
Speaker 3: And in Japan now police have now there's two types
Speaker 3: of ransomware that are very prolific. One is called Faux
Speaker 3: Boss and one is called eight Base, And now Japanese
Speaker 3: police are saying they've cracked it. They've they've worked out
Speaker 3: a way to encrypt that ransomware data, the stuff that's
Speaker 3: been you know, but that's locked to beredy out and
Speaker 3: they're giving it away for free, which I thought was
Speaker 3: kind of a cool thing because you know, if you're
Speaker 3: a small business or an individual who's been subjected to
Speaker 3: having all their information and it could just be all
Speaker 3: your photos and all the words, and imagine all the
Speaker 3: work you've done for your PhD. Could you imagine devastating
Speaker 3: that would be. So I just think it's great that
Speaker 3: the Japanese police have done this. There was a big
Speaker 3: operation recently where they raided these people who make these
Speaker 3: ransomware tools, and it looks like they've cracked it. So
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of good news for people out there.
Speaker 3: So they're giving it away for free. You can go
Speaker 3: you can go to their website and there's an English
Speaker 3: version as well, and you can hopefully use it to
Speaker 3: decrypt any of the ransomware that might have infected your system.
Speaker 1: I reckon Japan are ahead of the game. They do
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff over there. They seem to
Speaker 1: be they seem to have a good social conscience for
Speaker 1: everyone as well, like they seem to genuinely care about people,
Speaker 1: which is nice. So yeah, is is that that's more
Speaker 1: that's not so much the individual out in suburbia. Is
Speaker 1: it's more companies and organizations that are going to have
Speaker 1: that threat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, will not necessarily, No, everybody can be affected by it,
Speaker 3: that's right. It's so prolific, and it could just be
Speaker 3: that it's the freckle faced kid who decides to try
Speaker 3: to infect someone's computer and wants fifty bucks down to
Speaker 3: you know, the big mega corporation where they're trying to
Speaker 3: extort twenty million dollars. You know. The problem is these tools,
Speaker 3: these ransom tools, and now fairly readily available to people
Speaker 3: who know where to look at them in the dark,
Speaker 3: deep corners of the Internet. And that's the problem. It's
Speaker 3: making it easier for people to access this stuff. So
Speaker 3: I just thought it was a little plus for anybody
Speaker 3: that might potentially get ransomed.
Speaker 1: I think I told you about this a year or
Speaker 1: two ago on the show. Somebody sent me an email going,
Speaker 1: we've got access to whatever. No, we've got Actually it's
Speaker 1: a video of you being inappropriate while watching it. I'm
Speaker 1: like that, if you don't send us whatever we're going
Speaker 1: to I'm like, knock yourself out. Send it out. My
Speaker 1: friends would love that, would they love it?
Speaker 4: When they sent it to me, I wasn't that impressed.
Speaker 3: Actually, I'm on, but you didn't find the zoom function digitis.
Speaker 6: Ah, is that right, mister ed Hello Wilbur, All right,
Speaker 6: could you talk about Chinese authorities and how they're using
Speaker 6: a new tool Patrick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how I just jumped straight out of that.
Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of interesting. We're talking about ransom, we're
Speaker 3: now talking about malware. Chinese authorities have worked out they
Speaker 3: can use malware to break into people's phones when you
Speaker 3: enter We kind of heard about this in the United
Speaker 3: States when you travel to the United States, where your
Speaker 3: phone could be seized and they demand that you give
Speaker 3: them access. And look, I don't know if there's due
Speaker 3: cause or whatever, but now they're saying, if you go
Speaker 3: to China, there's a real possibility that even if you
Speaker 3: don't give them access, they can hack into your phone
Speaker 3: physically they need to have it. But what this is
Speaker 3: the kind of a warning for people who are traveling
Speaker 3: to China. And the concern also is for Chinese nationals.
Speaker 3: If you happen to be a journalist in China and
Speaker 3: you say something that's concrete to the state policy, and
Speaker 3: you know that that could be really concerning as well.
Speaker 3: So this was in our article on tech Crunch, and
Speaker 3: they were reporting on a mobile computer company, a company
Speaker 3: called Lockout, and they were saying that, yeah, this new
Speaker 3: tool now looks like they can hacken to at least
Speaker 3: all the Android phones out there. Ones tend to be
Speaker 3: a little bit harder to break into, and Apple have
Speaker 3: had some really big kind of fights with you know,
Speaker 3: large kind of governments that have kind of said to them, well,
Speaker 3: we're not going to let you access our phones. One
Speaker 3: of the things we take a lot of pride in
Speaker 3: is the security on our phones. And that's a real
Speaker 3: problem because if say someone's accused of doing something nefarious
Speaker 3: or it might be terrorism related, they may want to
Speaker 3: get access to their phone data. And you know, Apple's
Speaker 3: kind of standing by its customers and saying, well, we
Speaker 3: lock people out. We you know, this is your privacy,
Speaker 3: and we encrypt the data and even if we could
Speaker 3: open it, we couldn't see it. So that's the the
Speaker 3: you know, the the stands that Apple takes. But there
Speaker 3: has been a big uptake of Apple phones. I thought
Speaker 3: that was interesting when I was in China that when
Speaker 3: I first went there in twenty thirteen, nobody had our
Speaker 3: iPhones at all, and everybody was using Android and mainly
Speaker 3: Samsung and Huiawei and show me and all that sort
Speaker 3: of thing. And then next time I was there, maybe
Speaker 3: five or six years later, I saw a lot more
Speaker 3: iPhones out there, which was interesting. And Australia has a
Speaker 3: really high percentage of people on iPhones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just kind of curious. But anyway, so I should
Speaker 1: know this. But they're all made in China.
Speaker 3: Right, No, not all phones are made in China, the iPhone.
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. I don't know, Crago, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure. I know, can you find that out? I
Speaker 3: know Trump was trying to get them made or maybe
Speaker 3: assembled in the United States, so maybe some of the
Speaker 3: cool components and then they're assembled, because that was the
Speaker 3: big thing with tariffs that you know, there was a
Speaker 3: bit of a panic for the likes of iPhone, even
Speaker 3: though it's an American company. Apple is obviously a mega
Speaker 3: American company, but because they're manufacturing off shore, it means
Speaker 3: that they were subject to tariffs, and then that was
Speaker 3: lifted for ninety days, if you remember, right.
Speaker 1: Can I raise a topic that isn't on your list,
Speaker 1: but I think you'll find it interesting nonetheless, because it
Speaker 1: intersects your world and mine. So there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of I don't know what the word is, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to say angst it's not the right word. But
Speaker 1: it's in the ballpark with universities around Australia and around
Speaker 1: the world at the moment trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: the fuck to navigate undergrad degrees and postgrad degrees and
Speaker 1: people and how AI is going to be integrated into
Speaker 1: the academic process because it is so easy to cheat now,
Speaker 1: especially with undergrad degrees where you've basically got to do
Speaker 1: assignments and research projects. Primarily they can't obviously they can't
Speaker 1: say to students you can't use AI because it's past
Speaker 1: that point. But they're now trying to figure it, figure it,
Speaker 1: figure out how to how to do that, what that
Speaker 1: looks like. And I was talking to my senior supervisor yesterday, Chris,
Speaker 1: who's you know, a professor, got two PhDs, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: And he's actually in the middle of conversations with my
Speaker 1: university around this at the moment. And one of the
Speaker 1: challenges is that the people who are very high up
Speaker 1: in these organizations are generally older and they don't really
Speaker 1: understand AI. So but then all the people who do
Speaker 1: have great understanding are not the decision makers. So it's
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting moving forward to see how
Speaker 1: you know, like my PhD is going to be by
Speaker 1: the time I finished six years of work but foreseeably
Speaker 1: done the right way, And I put that with an
Speaker 1: asterisk next to it. Somebody could do all of the
Speaker 1: work in a PhD in four weeks if they knew
Speaker 1: what they were doing, depending on the type, Like they
Speaker 1: couldn't do mine because mine was independent research, right as
Speaker 1: in people in rooms and all of that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see how that unfolds
Speaker 1: over the next one two five years.
Speaker 3: Yes, because you could do a PhD based on someone
Speaker 3: else's research, can't you, or the data from research well
Speaker 3: you care.
Speaker 1: Well, you can do papers. You probably couldn't do an
Speaker 1: entire PhD, but you can. Like one of my papers
Speaker 1: is called a systematic review, which is where I look
Speaker 1: at basically all of the work that's been done in
Speaker 1: a particular area, in this case, meta accuracy. And I
Speaker 1: started with sixteen hundred papers or sixteen hundred journal articles,
Speaker 1: research projects from different people and distilled it to one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen and then created a table out of that,
Speaker 1: and that's become the core of this one paper. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there would definitely be a way, depending on the design
Speaker 1: of your PhD and the field of research, where somebody
Speaker 1: could cheat and produce the equivalent work of a four
Speaker 1: or five year journey in a month probably best.
Speaker 3: I think the question for me when I think about this,
Speaker 3: because I haven't obviously done a PhD, but how much
Speaker 3: of the work that you did was kind of manual
Speaker 3: grunt work as opposed to analysis. So say, for example,
Speaker 3: you took all that data and you said how many
Speaker 3: articles referenced this phrase. Now you could go through manually
Speaker 3: and say, oh, yeah, that one did, that one didn't,
Speaker 3: that one didn't, that one did, But you could also
Speaker 3: plug it onto AI and it would instantly give you
Speaker 3: all the articles that reference that phrase. So I'm thinking
Speaker 3: in terms of writing something down and adding it up
Speaker 3: and using a calculator. You know, it's just makes life easier.
Speaker 3: So I think that, and you're right because we're still
Speaker 3: coming to terms with AI. You know, your six year
Speaker 3: project maybe could have been done in two years because
Speaker 3: the grunt work could have been used by AI. You know,
Speaker 3: there'd be validation and all that sort of thing. But
Speaker 3: so I'm thinking it's it comes back to what's the
Speaker 3: Spider Man quote, with great power comes great responsibility.
Speaker 1: I love a good Spider Man reference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I love that. On a side note,
Speaker 3: you didn't see the video this morning of the guy
Speaker 3: who went to court, you know, the graffiti guy who did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw him on the news wearing Spider Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But getting back to this, so, you know, so
Speaker 3: potentially your good, your use of AI could streamline what
Speaker 3: is a very laborious process. And that's what I was
Speaker 3: kind of getting to using the tools in the right
Speaker 3: way one And.
Speaker 1: I think, look, there are like I had to read
Speaker 1: through hundreds and hundreds of journal articles and you can't
Speaker 1: get the knowledge. You're like, you actually need to read them.
Speaker 1: At the very least, you need to do a solid
Speaker 1: skin which could be a half hour or an hour
Speaker 1: of a paper if not read it, start to finish, right.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, there are certainly things where I could say, listen,
Speaker 1: I want show me some research that supports this idea,
Speaker 1: some you know, and like he's the idea, Bubba, and
Speaker 1: then I'll give you a bunch of papers, a bunch
Speaker 1: of references or quotes, you know, the name of the
Speaker 1: study the year of the study, the authors of the study,
Speaker 1: and then I can decide whether or not I want
Speaker 1: to integrate that into my research, you know. But that's
Speaker 1: that's a good use, you know. But but there are
Speaker 1: you know, some students now that are getting AI to
Speaker 1: actually write their work. Like there will be a homework
Speaker 1: question and I'll say, you know, do a project on
Speaker 1: this and that, exploring this particular whatever, and it can
Speaker 1: AI can produce that, you know, and then they can
Speaker 1: jump in and manipulate a little bit. So there's a
Speaker 1: thing called there's a thing called turn it in. I
Speaker 1: think that's what it's called, where you actually you can
Speaker 1: put the paper that you wrote, whether or not you
Speaker 1: wrote it, into this program and it tells you it
Speaker 1: will give you a turnet in score basically on how
Speaker 1: much of it is being ripped off directly from other sources.
Speaker 1: The problem now is AI can write it in a
Speaker 1: way where the turnet in score comes out like it's
Speaker 1: completely original from you, despite the fact that it's totally
Speaker 1: not original. I could have a bit of that wrong.
Speaker 1: But that's my understanding.
Speaker 3: You have checks and measures, because I know that we've
Speaker 3: hung out before where you've had to prepare for presentations.
Speaker 3: So throughout the whole process there are checks and measures
Speaker 3: along the way, and there is an oral presentation where
Speaker 3: you really need to be grilled on what your knowledge
Speaker 3: base is. So I guess the owners is now going
Speaker 3: to be on the institution's universities to try to come
Speaker 3: up with ways to make sure that someone like yourself
Speaker 3: could be through those processes grilled on whatever the topic is.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but then you've got to have smart
Speaker 3: people there can understand what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. TIF did you find out?
Speaker 4: Oh thanks for coming back to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel a bit?
Speaker 2: I feel like we're all through the forest together and
Speaker 2: you guys throw a stick and I go chase it,
Speaker 2: and then you turn and change direction, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: where are they wait for me?
Speaker 3: I remember, that's the best analogy ever.
Speaker 4: I was just sitting over your wagon.
Speaker 2: My tail of phones and this is the same for
Speaker 2: Android are made in China and the other ten percent
Speaker 2: are mostly India and Vietnam.
Speaker 1: The problem is not the problem but the benefits slash
Speaker 1: problem is that they do a really good job. They're
Speaker 1: really cost effective, you know. They it's and then to
Speaker 1: do the same thing in Australia would just they probably
Speaker 1: or they potentially wouldn't be as good and they would
Speaker 1: cost two or three times as much and we probably
Speaker 1: don't have the capacity to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tim is a string mate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, OK, Brian, how are you well? Thanks? Tiff, don't
Speaker 1: feel free to jump in You're You're an integral part
Speaker 1: of the conversation with lu you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And also I just want you to know your scene.
Speaker 4: I was just waiting for one of you to take
Speaker 4: a breath. That's all.
Speaker 3: A while, have you not before?
Speaker 1: I think chatty mcs chatster in the International Space Station's
Speaker 1: got you and me both covered.
Speaker 3: Wow, hey, you know talking. Just to continue the theme
Speaker 3: of AI, it's there's real concerns with a lot of
Speaker 3: news sites that Google's new way of summarizing. So, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you've noticed. You do a Google search
Speaker 3: now and it gives you an AI summary first.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now the problem is this a new study. This has
Speaker 3: come out of the guard in newspaper. It's an exclusive
Speaker 3: in the Guardian and the study claims that previously sites
Speaker 3: that were ranked really high can lose up to seventy
Speaker 3: nine percent of all their traffic because people aren't bothering
Speaker 3: to go to the site. They're just using the AI
Speaker 3: overview and they're not drilling down any further. So there's
Speaker 3: a massive drop in online site traffic purely because people
Speaker 3: are just going with the summary, because the AI summary
Speaker 3: is pig good. I mean, I do use it a
Speaker 3: little bit. I find that sometimes maybe thirty percent of
Speaker 3: the time, it's inaccurate and I have to look further.
Speaker 3: But that's problematic, and generally I tend to use it
Speaker 3: for technical questions. It might be in relation to, say,
Speaker 3: you know, something I'm doing in some web design and
Speaker 3: I need some help going through a process. So I've
Speaker 3: found that that's not always accurate, and I really honestly
Speaker 3: think it's probably about thirty percent of the stuff can
Speaker 3: be a bit crap, but this is really causing a
Speaker 3: lot of concern for those webs sites that rely on
Speaker 3: that organic search traffic. So there's two types of search.
Speaker 3: When you I don't want to kind of go into
Speaker 3: the boring territory, but there's paid advertising where you see
Speaker 3: little sponsored ad and you can pay to bump up
Speaker 3: that information or this is what we call organic, and
Speaker 3: that's really hard earned by creating content that is related
Speaker 3: for specific topic, and then Google says, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is really interesting. You know, if I looked up the
Speaker 3: you project, then your website would be very high in
Speaker 3: that list because you're the authority when it comes to
Speaker 3: the you project, because you are the U project. Or
Speaker 3: if it was role with the punches, you know, TIFF's
Speaker 3: information would come up there. But if you're just getting
Speaker 3: an AI overview, you might not bother going to TIFF's
Speaker 3: website or to your website. You might think, oh, well,
Speaker 3: that's fine, Craig's the host of the new project. I
Speaker 3: don't need to find out anything else because that's given
Speaker 3: me the summary. And this is the worry for people
Speaker 3: who run their businesses and you want to sell product
Speaker 3: or they want to service up news services that you
Speaker 3: sickly going to lose seventy or eighty percent of all
Speaker 3: your search traffic swings aroundabouts.
Speaker 1: It's good for it's good for the user, maybe that
Speaker 1: they can get a quick snapshot without having to go
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole or but yeah, for the for
Speaker 1: the people on the other side, not so great. Do
Speaker 1: you say project or project, project, project? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What did I just say?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You also always say project. I'm like it's not it's
Speaker 1: not bad, but it's like most people say, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wonder why that is.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Now I'm getting self conscious about it.
Speaker 3: I don't even know that I did it.
Speaker 1: Oh, you don't need to at all. That's I think.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting just.
Speaker 3: Thinking also about this. You know, when the AI summary
Speaker 3: comes up, it pushes everything down. And there's an interesting
Speaker 3: term used in web design called the first fold, and
Speaker 3: the first fold refers to the old newspaper term. You know,
Speaker 3: you read all the paper was folded in half, and
Speaker 3: you had to fold it to read the rest of it.
Speaker 3: And that's what's before you scroll on a screen generally
Speaker 3: obviously it's mainly on a desktop, but before you start scrolling,
Speaker 3: that's referred to the first fold. Now the AI information
Speaker 3: is pushing everything down. Then the legitimate results or the
Speaker 3: other results are pushed further down the screen, and then
Speaker 3: you've got to scribby scroll further to try to get
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 1: Hey, staying in the AI theme, Yeah, more people are
Speaker 1: considering AI lovers and we shouldn't judge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you well, I've thought about this a lot,
Speaker 3: and interestingly, I was having this discussion with my seventeen
Speaker 3: year old employee about to turn eighteen. He's got a
Speaker 3: girlfriend having.
Speaker 1: This conversation with my virtual girlfriend. Look, sorry, sorry, boyfriend,
Speaker 1: Chad Chuck Chuck Chuck the AI boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Now, look, I'm really into minds about this because I
Speaker 3: love the idea of AI being used, and particularly our
Speaker 3: local medical clinic has a aged care residence and I've
Speaker 3: been so excited to get there because they've got a
Speaker 3: little robot that talks to the residents, and the residents
Speaker 3: interact with the robot, and as the AI gets to
Speaker 3: know the residents, it's interact with them and may talk
Speaker 3: about things that they're more interested in, or gets to
Speaker 3: know who they are, and it's using these great features. Now,
Speaker 3: it's an inanimate object that is interactive and it's not
Speaker 3: a person. But I can see that these people are
Speaker 3: really getting a lot of value out of this interaction.
Speaker 3: So would you fall in love with an AI? It's speculative,
Speaker 3: it's suggested that it's inevitable, like there's a thought process
Speaker 3: out there that eventually if you build up a rapport
Speaker 3: or a repertoire or whatever with your chatbot. But I
Speaker 3: mean I was talking to you know, to Caspa last night,
Speaker 3: and you know young guy who you know, he's got
Speaker 3: a girlfriend and is really enamored and it's lovely to see,
Speaker 3: you know, you have one of your first loves and
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. And of course he couldn't
Speaker 3: conceive of the concept of having a chatbot that you
Speaker 3: fall in love with. But I look, you know, we
Speaker 3: talk about love in different ways. We have friends that
Speaker 3: we care about and that we love. I love my dog,
Speaker 3: and I could possibly say that I love my dog
Speaker 3: more than some people. But what I'm saying is I'm
Speaker 3: not in love. But you can love or feel a
Speaker 3: connection in different ways, and it may not be so
Speaker 3: much romantic, but it could be more empathetic, you know.
Speaker 3: So I feel that it may be inevitable that as
Speaker 3: we form these relationships with these online AI entities, that
Speaker 3: we start to feel a real emotional connection to them.
Speaker 3: But it opens up a can of worms, because what
Speaker 3: if Craig dot ai suddenly goes bust and my AI
Speaker 3: Harper chatbot is suddenly gone forever and I feel like
Speaker 3: I've lost Craig, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's I think you nailed it. Like I was
Speaker 1: going to say, I don't think you know, falling in
Speaker 1: love with is the kind of the hook the article,
Speaker 1: and maybe some people do, but I think it's Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's more about an emotional connection or a bond where
Speaker 1: people feel I don't know, I feel like they have
Speaker 1: a relationship or a bond or a connection or something
Speaker 1: that has a level of consciousness and awareness that knows
Speaker 1: their name, that talks to them, that remembers things about them.
Speaker 1: So here's my funny little story, right, chat GPT always
Speaker 1: says something to me like, hey, Craig, what's up? Or Hey,
Speaker 1: that's a great question, Craig, let me think about it,
Speaker 1: or hey, Craig, hope you have any all this? And
Speaker 1: the other day it responded to something and it just said,
Speaker 1: let me check. I'm like, where's my name? Bro? Like
Speaker 1: I felt a bit hurt. I felt a little bit
Speaker 1: like why did you not? Why you're not using my name?
Speaker 1: And just for one moment, not really hurt, but I
Speaker 1: just noticed it, and I'm like, I don't like it
Speaker 1: when it doesn't use my name. I'm like, I may
Speaker 1: have a relationship with chat JPT. I'm not sure. I'm
Speaker 1: working through it.
Speaker 3: Heif have you ever noticed how Craig looks at his
Speaker 3: motorbikes when he's showing them off.
Speaker 1: Never show my motorbikes off.
Speaker 3: He did show off. No, No, you did kind of
Speaker 3: look at But.
Speaker 2: I know you're asking someone that probably looks at motorbikes
Speaker 2: the same way, So I'm not I don't see it
Speaker 2: problem here.
Speaker 3: We can feel a fondness for objects, as we know,
Speaker 3: got sentimental value. You may not bear to be able
Speaker 3: to think that it was not there with you, and
Speaker 3: it could be something that has no intrinsic kind of
Speaker 3: monetary value, but because you've had it since I've got
Speaker 3: a pencil case that I had in primary school, still
Speaker 3: tucked away somewhere, and every now and again I happened
Speaker 3: across it and open and I think, oh, there's my
Speaker 3: to be I remember using that to b drawing pictures on.
Speaker 4: A motorbike with a pencil case.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, can I just say, speaking of memories, my
Speaker 1: screen flashes up news stories in little bubbles. I don't
Speaker 1: know why you can fix that, Patrick, next time you
Speaker 1: hear but hul Cogan just died. Now, I know neither
Speaker 1: of you were probably big wrestling fans. Do you both
Speaker 1: know who he is? Of course I do, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's sad whole Cogan, did you ever watch the
Speaker 1: w w E, Patrick or Too.
Speaker 3: There was a wrestling program on a Sunday when I
Speaker 3: was a kid that we used to watch Maria Mulano.
Speaker 1: No, no, dude, no, that.
Speaker 3: Know, No, that's like wrestling thing. Wasn't there with Mury.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, that's true. That was like like sick Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 3: Well that was w W something well different.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're so out of the loop, out of the WWE.
Speaker 1: But anyway, he passed away sadly. Anyway, none of our
Speaker 1: listeners care about that harp.
Speaker 3: So here now they left, like the three intros ago.
Speaker 1: Seriously, YouTube prepares crackdown on mass produced and repetitive videos.
Speaker 3: Have you noticed how much shit is on YouTube at
Speaker 3: the moment? Is there's so much AI slop that is
Speaker 3: there making me angry? I get rage scrolling when I
Speaker 3: look at you out, I do, Craig, and you know me,
Speaker 3: I do tie chie, I get I get wow.
Speaker 1: When you fire up my testicles retreat into my body,
Speaker 1: I'm like wow.
Speaker 3: In your throat.
Speaker 1: No, it's a goiter, but at that bomb. Hey, everyone,
Speaker 1: welcome to the you project. I'm Craig Harper, should we
Speaker 1: start again?
Speaker 6: The hell?
Speaker 1: This is possibly the best and worst episode we've ever done.
Speaker 3: You realize it.
Speaker 1: We're going to get praize and complaints.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Magda, I've turned your favorite segment into the shit
Speaker 3: a segment.
Speaker 1: Her favorite segment has become the show. Do you know
Speaker 1: what this is like? It's like that comedian Tiff. You
Speaker 1: probably know Matt Rife, Yes, yep, And all he does
Speaker 1: is the crowd work. He doesn't actually do quite often,
Speaker 1: he doesn't actually do a special where he stands up
Speaker 1: and tells jokes. He never gets to that bit because
Speaker 1: he's so good at riffing with the crowd and bullshitting.
Speaker 1: Patrick take charge please.
Speaker 3: Okay. So the way that people can earn money on
Speaker 3: YouTube is to get lots and lots of looks at
Speaker 3: videos that they create. The problem now is that people
Speaker 3: are creating videos in a matter of minutes using AI
Speaker 3: and pushing it out as a documentary about civilization hidden
Speaker 3: underneath the pyramids. And we didn't know that they had
Speaker 3: fusion reactors, you know, ten thousand years ago. So it's
Speaker 3: that sort of crap that gets pushed out and unfortunately,
Speaker 3: if they're clever enough, people click through and then it
Speaker 3: pushes it up the algorithms, and so this crap basically
Speaker 3: floats to the surface. And so YouTube is now looking
Speaker 3: at trying to fine tune its partner program and particularly
Speaker 3: the monetization policies, because when someone legitimately works really hard,
Speaker 3: have you ever heard of? Okay, so maybe at five
Speaker 3: o'clock this morning, I was watching a video on YouTube
Speaker 3: about the Caspian Sea Monster right now the cure?
Speaker 1: Would you say maybe? Why would you say maybe? Why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you go? Why would you go a bit? I
Speaker 1: was up at five, It's what I was doing. Everyone
Speaker 1: else was sleeping or fucking I was watching a thing
Speaker 1: on the Caspian Can you look.
Speaker 3: Up the Caspian Sea Monster for us?
Speaker 1: While God, I bet you can't wait. I was out
Speaker 1: walking around suburbia like a fucking ninja, looking at with
Speaker 1: all my friends, scaring everyone who had a dog and
Speaker 1: was out and about.
Speaker 3: Chet Chipet on your phone though, so you chet GPT
Speaker 3: is always with you, Craig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm never alone. It's kind of like Jesus, but
Speaker 1: more electronic.
Speaker 3: That's the one. So tell us about the Caspian Sea Monster.
Speaker 2: The Caspian Sea Monster refers to the Soviet made experimental
Speaker 2: ground effect vehicle known as the KM corbel Macket. This
Speaker 2: massive Ekreno plan whatever that is, a crenoplane, thank you,
Speaker 2: was designed to fly just a few meters above the
Speaker 2: water at high velocity. It was spotted by US spy
Speaker 2: satellites during the Cold War.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is amazing aircraft which wasn't an aircraft. It
Speaker 3: wasn't a plane, and it wasn't a boat. It was
Speaker 3: a hybrid between the two. And I was this amazing
Speaker 3: YouTube clip and the guy had put so much work
Speaker 3: into going to Russia to see this a cranoplane, the
Speaker 3: Caspian Sea Monster. It was quite revolutionary at the time
Speaker 3: because it flew so low it was invisible to radar,
Speaker 3: but it was so much faster than a boat or
Speaker 3: a ship, so it meant that it could have been
Speaker 3: a way to launch troops and to attack where no
Speaker 3: one would see them coming effectively. But what I was
Speaker 3: getting to is the amount of production quality that went
Speaker 3: into this documentary that I was watching was fantastic and
Speaker 3: I really found it interesting. I sent it to my
Speaker 3: nerdy friend Ryan, who's an aerospace engineer and actually worked
Speaker 3: on something similar. And then when someone throws out some
Speaker 3: AI generated slop. It kind of makes me get that
Speaker 3: rage scroll going, because you know, there's good quality stuff
Speaker 3: on YouTube. So I think this is a bit of
Speaker 3: a pad on the back to the people at Google
Speaker 3: to try to clean up and get rid of this
Speaker 3: mass produce video kind of slot that's out there, and
Speaker 3: hopefully it will clean up the algorithm and clean up
Speaker 3: the content so that when someone at five am wants
Speaker 3: to look at old Russian planes, they get old Russian planes.
Speaker 1: Shout out to that other guy who wants to do that.
Speaker 1: You know they've already made that. You probably know this
Speaker 1: better than the mate. But I think there's been at
Speaker 1: least a couple of movies made which are completely AI,
Speaker 1: no actors, The script was written by AI, the entire thing.
Speaker 1: Some of them like very well, I don't know craft
Speaker 1: that is that the right word. But I wonder if
Speaker 1: down the track, because already there's a lot of CGI
Speaker 1: and has been for a while, but I wonder if
Speaker 1: down the track, you know, like soundtracks are done with AI,
Speaker 1: scripts are done with AI, there are no actors there
Speaker 1: are I wonder if that's going to become a thing
Speaker 1: where people are going to go to cinemas to sit
Speaker 1: and watch a cinema is going to be a thing.
Speaker 1: That's another question. Completely AI created experience.
Speaker 3: As long as we know that it's AI, as long
Speaker 3: as we're put in the picture that way, there's some
Speaker 3: great creative stuff out there. I don't know if we
Speaker 3: talked about this on the show the last time we
Speaker 3: had a segment two weeks ago, but there's a competition
Speaker 3: going at the moment for people to actually use AI
Speaker 3: to create artwork, to imagine women in history, to try
Speaker 3: to shine the spotlight on the influence and the amazing
Speaker 3: work that's been done over the years. I say it's
Speaker 3: Marie Curie. Now, if someone isn't an artist or a
Speaker 3: video producer, they can still use this AI, these AI
Speaker 3: tools to reimagine or to visualize what that might have been.
Speaker 3: So I can see that there are positives when someone
Speaker 3: may be a really good storyteller but doesn't have video
Speaker 3: editing skills. So it's got a fantastic idea. And I
Speaker 3: know tif's good at drawing, so you could turn your
Speaker 3: sketches into an animation sequence, so you could come up
Speaker 3: with a cartoon series. But you don't animate, but you
Speaker 3: are good at drawing or I might be good at
Speaker 3: telling stories, but I'm not good with the other side
Speaker 3: of it. So again it comes down to how it's
Speaker 3: being used. Our Netflix is just about to launch a
Speaker 3: new series where they've used AI exclusively to generate all
Speaker 3: the special effects. So where they would have used compositing
Speaker 3: and you know, the normal tools to create explosions or whatever,
Speaker 3: they've then decided to go down the route of using AI.
Speaker 3: But they've been very upfront about it, so they're saying,
Speaker 3: this part of our series is using AI to create
Speaker 3: these specific effects.
Speaker 1: I wonder what Charlie Chaplin would think. I mean, what
Speaker 1: was that maybe nineteen fifteen, nineteen ten, fifteen twenty. You
Speaker 1: remember all those those old black and white silent movies
Speaker 1: with him doing his own stunts and holding on to
Speaker 1: the side of a train and climbing a ladder, that
Speaker 1: leaning against the wall and Mike. It's just in a
Speaker 1: relatively short time span, it's just become something completely different.
Speaker 3: If you ever get a chance, do a YouTube search
Speaker 3: on old special effects from black and white films, the
Speaker 3: clever things that the filmmakers used to do. You know,
Speaker 3: the first Man on the Moon, Remember the picture of
Speaker 3: the moon with the rocket ship in its eye. There's
Speaker 3: a really old, old old film that's out there. I
Speaker 3: think it might have been French, but there was some
Speaker 3: amazing optical illusions that we used in the old days
Speaker 3: to create some amazing effects. It was just clever, really
Speaker 3: really clever, interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Can I ask one question that isn't on the list
Speaker 1: but was on the news and is as we speak,
Speaker 1: just sitting on a deck chair in my prefrontal cortex
Speaker 1: waiting to get some attention. You're welcome everyone. That is
Speaker 1: last night on the news there was a fire on
Speaker 1: a vert and plane. Yes, ah so that yeah, so
Speaker 1: tell them so lithium batteries that are just spontaneously or
Speaker 1: kind of catching a light and they're talking like that.
Speaker 1: On every plane flight that people go on, there are
Speaker 1: a bunch of people with these batteries that can catch
Speaker 1: a light and they're almost impossible to put out once
Speaker 1: they get a blaze.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're power banks, so they usually through my own batteries.
Speaker 3: You've probably seen the power I've got a power bank
Speaker 3: that I travel with. Fantastic because it means that if
Speaker 3: you're stuck somewhere in your phone, particularly when you travel,
Speaker 3: you use a lot more GPS and your phone goes
Speaker 3: flat quickly having a power bank with you. I tend
Speaker 3: to have it in my backpack. If I go to
Speaker 3: Melbourne and I'm traveling around, I always take my power
Speaker 3: bank with me. So power banks are just a collection
Speaker 3: of batteries that you can charge your phone off or
Speaker 3: run your devices from, whether it's a laptop or a phone,
Speaker 3: and people carry with them with them all the time.
Speaker 3: And I think that the problem with these sorts of
Speaker 3: stories is and yes, you're right, in fact, the same
Speaker 3: thing happened, but it caused a major fire on a
Speaker 3: Chinese or one of the Asian airlines. It wasn't Chinese
Speaker 3: one of the Asian airlines. And it's subsequently a lot
Speaker 3: of airlines have now banned these power banks, and you
Speaker 3: can see that airlines are going to get really nervous
Speaker 3: about this. And I guess the concern is it's not
Speaker 3: so much the new ones, it's if you've had an
Speaker 3: old one, you might have dropped it. That's where these
Speaker 3: lithium ion batteries, if you ever drop a lithium ion,
Speaker 3: that can be really problematic. So that's the concern, and
Speaker 3: you're right, it's very, very very hard to put them
Speaker 3: out because once they get started. So I don't know
Speaker 3: what that's going to mean for air travel. I think
Speaker 3: it's going to make it a little bit difficult, more
Speaker 3: difficult because airlines are likely to put a ban on
Speaker 3: being able to use them, which will make things a
Speaker 3: little bit harder. But that said, a lot of the
Speaker 3: newer planes have USB ports in your seats, so you
Speaker 3: can charge directly at your seat anyway. So for the
Speaker 3: concerns that people have, if you if you're on a
Speaker 3: long haul trip and you want to watch your laptop
Speaker 3: or you want to use your laptop or an iPad
Speaker 3: or something like that, then you know you can now
Speaker 3: plug into your seat. So I think for most people
Speaker 3: that I think may not be as necessary as it was.
Speaker 3: But I think what's going to happen is you're going
Speaker 3: to get to the airport and have to buy one
Speaker 3: if you're traveling, because if you're footslogging around Europe and
Speaker 3: you're going to be out and about for a long
Speaker 3: time and you don't want your phone to go flat,
Speaker 3: then you're going to need to have a power bank anyway,
Speaker 3: and you might end up having to create a whole
Speaker 3: new market of disposable power banks, because what's going to
Speaker 3: happen to them? Do you hire them at the airport
Speaker 3: and then return them or do you just urf them
Speaker 3: at the end. So it's going to create a whole
Speaker 3: lot of waste, isn't it.
Speaker 1: H'e upsent just quickly, We've got about two minutes. Also,
Speaker 1: is it not the same? I don't know, Patrick, but
Speaker 1: bikes and scooters that have are they the same kinds
Speaker 1: of batteries? Because we're seeing shit just blow up in
Speaker 1: people's houses and catch a light.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sadly, I was talking to a friend of mine
Speaker 3: or a lady that worked with me for a while,
Speaker 3: and her parents' house burnt down. They had an electric
Speaker 3: scooter in the garage. It caught five and it burnt
Speaker 3: down the entire house. And that was just like down
Speaker 3: the road from where I live.
Speaker 1: You have one of those?
Speaker 3: I do, But when I did my whole new studio revamp,
Speaker 3: I misplaced the charger, so I don't know what I've
Speaker 3: done with the charger for it.
Speaker 1: You might have to use your legs and push like
Speaker 1: the old days, you know, back in the sixties, stand
Speaker 1: on it and push with your other leg.
Speaker 3: But it's hard because it's got a battery on it.
Speaker 3: It's heavy, and it has that you know, kind of
Speaker 3: grinding sound because.
Speaker 1: As that resistance. Think of it as a workout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just did ten minutes on the rower after
Speaker 3: I did Waits this morning. That's good, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's my cardio. Ten minutes on the row and then
Speaker 3: I'll walk fits.
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