WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 4 June 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:06.800 From the skying seenter. This is Paul Murray live forgive 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.040 me Sharry, distracting you all the way down here in 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.000 the man cave. But I absolutely agree. Now, First, the 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.720 apologies to anyone who saw a big fat blow pushing 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.599 a car up a hill tonight. It was me in 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:19.560 a pair of trackies because I'd run out of petrol. 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:21.599 If only there was a little thing that told you 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:27.400 when you ran out of petrol four days ago. Sorry anyway, Now, 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.200 as you know, when it comes to Australia and this government, 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:42.960 one song sums it up. Everything is as going now Now. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.120 Of course, the Australian public from time to time may 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.800 disagree with the everything is awesome chant. For example, in 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.720 the polling which appeared today in the Turnbull Times, where 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.760 the blue line says forty nine percent of Australians to 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:55.960 believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, a 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.800 massive one point down from the fifty percent who said 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.000 it last month. So celebration in lefty Land. They're now 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.399 back into forty nine percent of the country believing that 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.200 we are in the wrong direction. But of course it 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.039 doesn't matter if people think we're in the wrong direction. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.399 It doesn't matter if people think that the budget was 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.600 too little, too late when it comes to cost of living, 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.679 because we know what the plan is when it comes 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.440 to the Labor Party mention one name, over and over again. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.960 Put up the spooky music and Australia will hand this 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.560 government another majority. Peter Dutton. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.199 Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton, Peter Dutton. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.080 Well again, we turn to the commentary of today's essential 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.600 poll in The Guardian otherwise known as the Turmbul Times, 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:45.280 which reads as follows. Peter Dutton slipped back into negative 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.920 territory with forty two percent of respondents disapproving of the 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:53.920 job that he is doing. Albanizi is steady with forty 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:58.200 seven percent. Hang on, what so cold? We just compare 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.880 this to here, Peter Dutton, the un actable opposition leader. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.360 The problem of all, the font of all problems for 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:10.560 the government is five points in a better position in 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.400 terms of disapproval than the current Prime minister. Now, let's 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.960 be honest, less than a year out from the last election, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.760 Anthony Abernezi in the same poll was running third. That 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.960 don't know, so does this number mean something right now? 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:23.200 No? 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:27.239 But it does remind us that what the government may 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.120 think is an impossibility of anything other than the majority 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.120 of the next election is most likely going to be 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.280 the fight between majority and minority. Now I have said 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.280 this since day dot. I've said it in lots of 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.960 different ways, trying to be funny sometimes and failing sometimes, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.720 saying it loudly, always saying it consistently. The most likely 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.000 the next election is about a minority government for the 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.040 Labor Party because of the big block of Teal seats. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:55.760 But every now and then there's a little bits of 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.160 data that suggests things maybe even closer than I or 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:03.640 anyone else's been thinking. For example, again essential poll, when 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:07.000 we're looking at the primary vote of the political parties, 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.000 now Labour sitting at thirty two. This is all compared 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.440 to last month. Labor sitting at thirty two is basically 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.240 where it was at the last election, when of course 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.280 it only just fell over the line. Literally two thirds 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.080 of the country didn't vote for them, but they had 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.080 enough of support thanks to the Greens to get them 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.000 into a place. And obviously Labor Greens you get to 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.000 forty five percent. So the preferences of people like One 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.519 Nation United Australia Party and independence matter. If you send 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:33.920 them back to Labor, they're going to win. But if 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.839 you send them a way the coalition, this thing gets 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.240 close to fifty to fifty on primary they're at thirty 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.440 six percent. Remember they've got to be at about forty 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.960 to be in a truly competitive place. But again, everything 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.440 is awesome. Everything is amazing. The budget was fantastic. Everything 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.360 we do in question time is amazing. We never admitted 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:55.040 a problem whatsoever. Again, turnmbule times. When it comes to 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.240 two party preferred, it's dead level forty eight, forty eight 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.880 and four perut of Australia. Four percent of Australians voting 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.880 are going to make the key decision about whether it 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.600 ends up as a fifty two forty eight scenario, whether 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:11.800 it ends up as fifty one to forty nine or 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.680 of course fifty to fifty who knows. But interestingly, there 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.880 is a gender divide here when it comes to the 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.720 two party preferred. Men clearly back the Liberal Party when 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:23.520 it comes to women are backing the Labor Party. But 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.000 then again, every now and then we focus on the poles, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.280 focus on the data, so we can show you the data, 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.200 show you the receipts. Then have an opinion on top 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.320 of it. That's the way we try to do it, 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:36.880 no matter anyway, I won't say that now. Obviously, immigration 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:38.880 is an issue that we're not supposed to talk about. 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:40.560 We're not supposed to talk about busy streets. We're not 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.720 supposed to talk about the hospital ramping. We're not supposed 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.760 to talk about the cues for rental places. We're not 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.400 supposed to talk about adding hundreds of thousands of people 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:53.599 to already squeezy couple of major cities. You can't possibly 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.359 talk about it. But guess what voters are and we 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.800 are exactly where we think the majority of Australians are, 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:00.320 and that this is an issue that increases that they 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.160 are caring about. Press gallery all not allowed to talk 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.200 about it. As I went into chapter and verse last night, 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.720 the high Priestesses of the Camera Bubble say this is racist, 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:13.240 Dutton terrible. But Dunton has less people disapproving than albnize. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.600 Whatever sush or shush get back to get done. According 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.919 to the Financial Review today, and Philip Courriy, the excellent 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.039 member of the press Gallery, who I always a couple 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:25.599 of people I always exclude from this press gallery. Rant 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.440 I had most knights. They know who they are. Immigration 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.680 has searched as an issue of concern among voters, while 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.720 the government's perceived handling of the issue is continuing to decline. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.159 A far right wing thing tank otherwise known as the 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.440 Opinion Poll in the Financial Review says so in the 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.880 latest True Issue survey by JWS Research, it shows that 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.080 immigration and border security are our top five issue of 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:53.240 concern with almost a quarter of voters. This is up 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:57.320 from fifteen percent twolve months ago. So remember two months 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.520 ago we were in a scenario where the government was 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.120 bringing in a record number of people into the country 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.640 and that's when the issue was fifteen percent, when people 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.600 started to see what the results of those extra people 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.640 being brought into the country. Well, of course immigration rose 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.680 is an issue. Let alone Andrew Giles, Clare O'Neil, all 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.320 of that business which has been going on for too long. 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.240 But have a look at the issues that are the 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:26.120 number one for Australian voters. Surprise, surprise. One we talk 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.600 about all the time cost of living. Eighty percent of 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.480 people say that that is a very significant issue to them, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.520 followed by healthcare, housing, the economy in general. When you 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.279 look at that with cost of living. It's pretty much 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.680 a very significant number the environment, employment, energy, education, immigration 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.440 and public services. So anyone who wants to say that 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.320 any discussion about it is racist are not actually paying 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.719 attention to what Australian's attitudes are. Now. I know that 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:53.520 their view in the media is that what they talk 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.880 about will lead the polls. My view is that we 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.240 should try to be where the people are as a poster, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.880 pretending that we have any magical powers through television, radio 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:08.200 or online think peethers to lead people. That number, by 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:09.920 the way, when it comes to cost of living at 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:14.880 eighty percent, is up five points since last year. Now 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.040 what does that tell you? It tells you that two 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.520 little too late tax cuts are not going to change 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.120 the perception of cost of living and the help that 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.240 this government is offering at a time when, of course 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.480 every opportunity they can to put up taxes, including petrol. 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.240 Have you seen the price of petrol today? I mentioned 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.880 it twice. It's extraordinary, way over two dollars in most 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:37.520 parts of the country. But of course when it was 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.800 a dollar eighty five. Anthony Abernez he said it's time 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.640 to change the government. But remember they have no responsibility whatsoever, 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.480 despite the fact that I, of course increase the amount 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:50.440 of tax per liter to now forty nine cents. They 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.400 could have done something about that in the budget, but no, no, no, 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.640 they wanted a surplus, and that surplus is built off 0:07:55.720 --> 0:08:05.720 exclusively drivers, smokers, drinkers, because excise tax vice taxes are 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.480 the only way this government stayed anywhere near a surplus. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:12.600 Now let's talk about our old mate, Bill Short and 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.120 this has been bubbling for a couple of days, but 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:15.720 you may all have heard the story by now that 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.720 someone in the department of which he manages as the Minister, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.480 decided to hire somebody to write speeches for Services Australia. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:25.760 They were paid three hundred thousand dollars a year. It's 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.600 a two year contract. We are now talking about six 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.560 hundred thousand dollars. The question only came to light after 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.920 some questioning from the Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds in Senate estimates. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.920 Services Australia OZ tender contract here for temporary personnel services 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:47.320 contract value of six hundred and twenty thousand dollars for 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:52.080 a two year contract period for a Julianne Stewart from 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:57.839 Cremorn to write speeches for Bill Shorton? Is that correct? 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:03.440 Extraordinary? Six hundred thousand dollars? Now, remember the Prime Ministry 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.480 has paid five hundred thousand dollars a year backbenture in 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:10.200 the Parliament above two hundred, minister above three hundred. Does 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.400 anyone believe that a speech writer for a government department 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:18.040 should be paid three hundred thousand dollars? Now? Literally, they 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.080 could be the finest words in the world. But let's 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:25.040 be honest, three hundred thousand dollars. That's ridiculous. But it's 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.640 a symptom of something bigger that isn't necessarily anything to 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.120 do with Bill Shortan. But I'll get back to that 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.080 in a second. Of course, as this story was starting 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.640 to build, he appeared on a Current Affair because they 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.720 had an amazing story about the abuse of the ndies. 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.120 But they got into this conversation. What happened? 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.880 If you're referring today as some sort of cheap liberal 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.079 tactic in the Parliament, do you think you're to. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:50.680 Spend that amount of money on a speech writer? 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:52.800 Is the one more question I'm asking. 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:57.559 First of all, I think that service, the hiring of 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.240 a speech writer was done by Service Australia. I had 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.080 no idea what the payment was. So if you're trying 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.680 to link me to that, good luck. The point about 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:07.839 it is the person involved as the speech writer, it 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.559 does a very good job. I'm not responsible for negotiating 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:11.319 a contract. 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.760 But the question for shortened here is to say I 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.760 didn't do this deal, but I agree with you. The 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.200 deal's not going to be repeated. It's too rich. But 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.080 instead we get to have it both ways because in 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.360 this government there's never a mistake. They never admit wrong 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.080 on anything, no matter what obvious evidence. So I can 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.440 put in front of you and how many times have 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.320 we done that for you? Almost every day since this 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.400 mob came to power, multiple times a day. The longer 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:36.880 that they go and the more mistakes that they make. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.640 But I don't know. We didn't make any here. Well, 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.520 the reviews were rather obvious to Gibet today referred to 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.079 the appearance of the minister on this particular subject as 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.720 arrogant as hell. And then we started to come up 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.720 with new excuses because of course this government can do 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.079 no wrong, and everyone else will make excuses for everyone else. 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:58.000 Tony Burke went on the radio today on Taxpayer Radio, 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:02.720 and he decided to use worker shortages as a reason 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:07.680 why somebody has to be paid six hundred thousand dollars 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.960 for two years worth of work to write speeches for 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.439 a government department. 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.559 Time of labor shortage. You keep ending up with situations, 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.080 You keep ending up with situations where people where some 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.640 various professions are getting more money than would otherwise be 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.439 paid when there's labor shortage. Like the departments made that decision, 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.640 The Minister hasn't made that decision. Would that job ordinarily 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:35.240 be paid that amount? Absolutely not, for the exact reasons 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.559 that I've explained. That's why it landed in the place 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:37.959 that it did. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.680 I'm sorry. What this is not a doctor being paid 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.680 extra money to work in regional Australia because there's not 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:50.200 enough doctors in regional Australia. This is a person from 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:54.840 the north Shore of Sydney being paid over the odds 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.480 by a government department. What She's the only person who 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.440 can write a speech in all of Australia. There's no 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:05.439 one anywhere inside the entire labor phalanx, inside the machine 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.880 who could do the job. There's no one who if 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.559 you advertised the job for two hundred thousand dollars and 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.679 even then it'd be too much. But still, if you 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.920 advertised it for two hundred thousand dollars or one hundred 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:17.600 thousand dollars a year, that wouldn't put their hand up 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.319 and take the job. Now, I'm not talking about a 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.080 completely unqualified personnel doesn't know what they're doing. But seriously, 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.880 how many so called starving artists are there in the 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.560 world who would be able to put two and two 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:34.080 sentences together six hundred thousand dollars because of worker shortages 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.959 pull the other one. But again, this is the habit 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.319 of this government because they assume that everything that comes 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.200 out of the Liberal Party will die an instant death 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.320 as soon as it becomes public because the media will 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.560 not want to do anything to disturb their chosen government. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.000 For whatever reason, they think they can just stand here 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.480 and just speak into the wind, and when we show 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.880 it to you, they think your student and won't be 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.959 able to notice the silliness of their games. Now again, 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.760 Bill Shorlden did not hire this person, and I believe 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.920 in that someone in his department did. But it's very 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.560 simple as the bloke who is trying to get on 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.760 top of the costs and failing in many ways of 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.120 the National Disability Insurance scheme. Don't you turn around and 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.760 when you learn about this, and let's imagine he learns 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.640 about this this week, you say that is ridiculous. Okay, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.360 we're stuck to the contract now, but when we were 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.280 near the contract, that won't be happening again. You would 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.800 think that would be what happened. But no, what about 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.600 in question time today? Now? Again, this is the tactic 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.920 of this government over and over again. Now they think 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.200 they're as good as Daniel Andrews, and they think that 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.640 they are as charming as the Howard government. So they 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.960 think if they just straight bat everything, then all their 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.439 problems will go away. But again, normal people see this 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.400 stuff and go hang on, weren't you supposed to be 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:52.160 better than everyone else? Here was the question asked about 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:56.320 this issue to Bill Shorten about the department he is 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.640 in charge of, with. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.800 Shocking revelations out of budget estimates last night that ilicted 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:07.160 drugs such as heroin, cocaine's speed and icer being trafficked 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.520 through the NDIS, with THEA officials admitting, I quote you 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.680 name it, it's on the list. Why has the minister 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.280 allowed illegal drugs to be trafficked to Australia's most vulnerable 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.800 and paid for by taxpayers under the scheme that you design. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.280 So he's asked pretty directly, right, he's asked directly about 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.280 again the failures of the system. But watch him literally 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:31.160 not answer the question. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.320 The NDIS is changing lives, and I actually think that 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.400 most members of the House are very committed to seeing 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.200 the NDIS deliver the outcomes that it was designed to 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.560 deliver for people with disability. But the NDIS needs to 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.160 be got back on track. And the member goes to 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.440 one of the questions about the future of the scheme, 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.800 which is making sure that every dollar gets through to 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.400 the participants from him it's designed. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:14:59.920 Somebody pops up and says, sorry, that's not an answer. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.600 The question speaker says he. 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.840 Wasn't asked about alternative approaches. He wasn't asked about the opposition. 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:12.720 He was asked a specific question regarding estimates and issues 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.840 raised through the estimates process. I'm going to make sure 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.880 he's remaining directly relevant to the question. 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.680 So he might be looking at the opposition, but he's 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.720 actually sending a message, Okay, mate, you've had your turn. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.480 Now answered the question. Watch him not answer the question. 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.000 INDOS is a good idea, but under the Coalition was 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:34.000 badly managed and one of the naive mistakes they made 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.000 is that whilst they paid out money to participants and 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.040 service providers, they failed to do anything about the system 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:42.200 into which they were paying it. 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.440 So for the second time, can you please answer the question? 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.880 And the speaker pretty much tells him, Bill, answer the question. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:52.160 Minister will pause. 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.920 He's had two minutes, and I gave an instruction before 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:01.360 about referring. I can understand his just bringing some history 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:05.080 into this issue, but it wasn't about the history of 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.800 what he's talking about. It was about a specific matter 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.920 raised in the estimates. So he's going to have to 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.560 address that otherwise he'll be resuming his seat. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.560 So he's been warned a couple of times. But what 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.880 is Bill shouldn't do exactly what every labor minister does. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.240 Ignore Ignore, Ignore. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:28.000 We have got about five hundred plus investigations of compliance 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.440 matters under investigation. We have two hundred and twenty two 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:36.320 investigations underway, We have twenty prosecutions in the court. We 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.920 have another twelve matters currently with a DPAPA to consider. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.920 And clearly, anyone claiming items which are not allowed under 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:45.360 the scheme. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:46.400 It is illegal. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.640 The one difference between us and those people opposite is 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.840 we're doing something about fixing up the scheme. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:57.520 You did nothing right. So that story and the question 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.880 he's being asked about was about waste inside the next 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:05.080 disability insurance game. Brisbane Times put the headlines up suggesting drugs, alcohol, rent, 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:10.320 holidays and cars. Integrity Chief reveals dodgy NDIS spending. He 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:15.919 has no answer about it, his decision to pretend that 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.919 he has no responsibility over the very department that hires 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.800 a speechwriter for six hundred thousand dollars. And then there's 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.000 the third part of this. Last Night on a Current Affair, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.399 an excellent report about somebody claiming to take care of 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.560 people on the Nisiwal Central Coast but apparently and allegedly 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:31.639 doing quite the opposite. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:37.800 Denise clissold sold herself as a trusted NDIS provider, an 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:42.119 angel to our most vulnerable. Instead, clients like Michelle and 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:47.399 Kyle found themselves homeless and broke. Millions of dollars have 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.720 gone missing. A police investigation is underway, yet she still 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:53.120 hasn't been banned. 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.879 It was allocated an NDIS plan of three hundred and 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:00.840 fifty seven thousand dollars in June last week year to 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:06.560 cover twelve months of supports, which was controlled by Denise's business. 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.680 She would send me money through my own personal bank account, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.679 which I thought was very weird. 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.760 Now that story gets pretty complicated, we go and check 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:18.600 it out on the Current Affair website or otherwise I'll 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:19.919 post it up on our socials. But it was a 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.720 perfect example about just how missy the system is. Of course, 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.439 the woman the center of it all denies everything, but 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.840 still these are the problems with a very big system, 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.960 a very big system that all of us hope works better. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.560 We'll talk about it with the Shadow Minister for the 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.120 ndis the Great Holy Hughes. So we'll also be talking 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.960 about her political future. Why because the Liberal Party essentially 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.920 has taken it away from her. I'll explain all when 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.320 she's in the man Cave in a couple of moments time. 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:46.439 How many people does it take to change a light 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.439 global I don't know quite what the version of this is, 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.119 but how many people does it take to build a house? 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.760 According to again, send it estimates and more information that 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.439 we are getting the Prime Minister who apparently wants to 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.479 spend more money than ever before on housing and social housing, 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:01.920 and a treasurer who claims I we can get a 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.560 million houses built in the next ten minutes. Well none 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.360 of that is happening. Instead, Simon Benson with a great 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.960 story tonight in the Australian newspaper. Howse about this is 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.679 another example of other people's money. The Agency, which has 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.760 been tasked with delivering Anthony I beneath his ten billion 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.640 dollar affordable housing fund to low income families, has paid 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:24.359 more than twenty four million dollars in external consultants at 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.679 six million dollars in executive salaries last year, despite not 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:32.960 having built a single home. The documents that they've been 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:34.159 able to have a look at and are on the 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.720 front page of The Australian's website right now, no doubt 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.199 the paper tomorrow. The documents reveal that nineteen staff are 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:43.280 employed by the agency on salary of more than three 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:47.360 hundred thousand dollars. They haven't built one house, five people 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.640 and more than four hundred thousand dollars. The top executive 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.920 has paid five hundred and fifty seven thousand dollars, which 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.200 is higher than what the Prime Minister is currently paid 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.119 and so on and so on and so on, an 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:02.159 extraordinary amount of money, and not one house has been built. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.600 But most importantly, we've got the most important people there, 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:09.320 and that's the bureaucrats. The bureaucrats who are paid way above. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:13.320 Now remember when they used to say that the public 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.439 service has to pay their people more because they have 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.119 to be competitive with the private sector. Well now it's 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.800 the other way around. The private sector because of the 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.159 public sector, because it's so awash with cash, because it 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.720 has a government that doesn't care about how much it spends, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.560 is hiring people at increasingly stupid numbers, like the bloke 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.240 to administer the Prime minister's housing scheme is paid more 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:38.879 than the Prime minister. Why should all these people be 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.600 paid fifty grand a year? Of course not, but honestly, 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.240 and this is where I talk about one of the 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.800 projects of the far left of the Labor Party, but 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.280 increasingly the entire Labor Party is to again follow the 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:55.119 play of Daniel Andrews in Victoria and Anastasia Paloshet and Queensland. 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.879 Why because it's worked electorally now it's wrong, but it 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:03.560 has worked on multiples because the expectation is that you 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:07.280 either get permanent people voting for you because they work 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.240 for the government. Like all of those people, you get 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.879 people voting for you because you are dependent on the 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.119 government when it comes to welfare, and any change to 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:16.960 that is a cut cut cut cut, cut cut cut. 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.520 Or if you're in business, your biggest client is government. 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:23.920 That way, they can lock up about seventy percent of 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:26.760 the electorate and everyone else can stay in their house 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:30.399