WEBVTT - How Robert Irwin is redefining Australian masculinity

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wednesday, December thirty one, twenty twenty five. We first

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<v Speaker 1>met Robert Irwin when he was an adorable toddler. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he's sending women wild for very different reasons, because the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two year old wildlife activist also happens to be charming, sensitive,

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<v Speaker 1>talented and a very smooth dancer. Today, Bianca far Marcus

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<v Speaker 1>joins us to discuss, with only a few blushes, this

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable young man's global success.

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<v Speaker 2>The winners and new champions of Dancing with the Stars

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<v Speaker 2>are Robert.

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<v Speaker 3>And wel.

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<v Speaker 1>Bianka far Marcus is The Australian's Content director of Culture

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<v Speaker 1>and Bianca I'm used to you writing about very highbrow

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<v Speaker 1>art forms, the ballet, the opera, but become the Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Erwin correspondent at the paper.

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<v Speaker 3>How did that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, aside from the fact that it's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most coveted positions, it really was down to a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of who actually knows anything about dance In the office

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<v Speaker 2>and at the time, between walking at the photos that

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<v Speaker 2>came out of the finale for Dancing with the Stars,

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<v Speaker 2>I was selected to do the honor.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Irwin, the son of Stephen Terry Erwin, who's become

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<v Speaker 1>famous to a new generation in Australia, probably through a

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<v Speaker 1>Bond's ad campaign and I'm a celebrity, Get me out

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<v Speaker 1>of here. Yes, has just one Dancing with the Stars US. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably hard for us here in Australia to grasp

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<v Speaker 1>how big a deal this.

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<v Speaker 3>He is right, No, it is definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think we had a Dancing with the

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<v Speaker 2>Stars of our own. It was liked enough, but not

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<v Speaker 2>enough to last the test of times. You know, similar

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<v Speaker 2>to shows like Maths that we know will possibly never

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<v Speaker 2>die off from the airwaves. But in the US it

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<v Speaker 2>attracts massive audiences and it still has this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>old school sort of appeal, whereas in the days of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, your American and your Australian Idols, people would

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<v Speaker 2>vote in and pick their favorites and that would have

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<v Speaker 2>such a determining factor, and Dancing with the Stars leverages

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<v Speaker 2>that in the sense that judges will give their scores

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<v Speaker 2>usually out of thirty. In the case of the finale

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<v Speaker 2>it was out of ninety. And then we saw, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>with Robert Irwin, he was slated to come second, but

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<v Speaker 2>the second the audience votes were brought in, it actually

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<v Speaker 2>swayed the decision, and he, you know, took the crown

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<v Speaker 2>and the beloved and very iconic.

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<v Speaker 3>Trophy of the Disco Ball.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think of his dancing?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it was superb in terms of technique

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<v Speaker 2>and in terms of showmanship. For someone who genuinely went

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<v Speaker 2>in with no sort of prior training or anything, he

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<v Speaker 2>was incredible. Some of the dancers, salsers, rumbas, tangos, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not easy art forms first and foremost, it's very difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to dance on your own. It's harder to dance with

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<v Speaker 2>a partner. And he brought such a charisma, such a showmanship,

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<v Speaker 2>as we saw with the infamous are You going to

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<v Speaker 2>Be My Girl? Dance routine to the Jet song, which

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<v Speaker 2>was just explosive. Someone take my hand and carn with

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<v Speaker 2>me because it looks so fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really want.

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<v Speaker 2>To make it that he has this steely gaze that

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<v Speaker 2>even some of the best dances of our generation of

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<v Speaker 2>the world cannot necessarily just switch on like. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing bold in the beautiful type seductive appeal, and it

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<v Speaker 2>does make the difference between what is someone who's a

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<v Speaker 2>technically good dancer and someone who is just a star.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he leapt from the judge's table with a

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<v Speaker 2>broken rib and managed to pull off a whole ninety

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<v Speaker 2>second dance routine.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get that sense with Robert Irwin that his partner,

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney Carlson was having to drag him around the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably at the start, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's the balance between being extremely nervous and

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<v Speaker 2>extremely amateur at something.

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<v Speaker 3>But she actually to bring out quite a unique.

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<v Speaker 2>Range in him, and I think she sort of forced

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<v Speaker 2>his limits in terms of knowledge and understanding of the craft,

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<v Speaker 2>but also leveraged his physicality. I will probably mention this

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<v Speaker 2>several times throughout this conversation, but he is uniquely buff

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<v Speaker 2>and there is an inherent athleticism to him that she

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<v Speaker 2>managed to choreograph around quite well. So there was a

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<v Speaker 2>specific number where they did a more contemporary partner routine,

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<v Speaker 2>so not your traditional ballroom. It was for the dedication round,

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<v Speaker 2>so we obviously dedicated the dance to his mum, Terry,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just this beautiful tableau of very slow

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<v Speaker 2>and soft, supple movements, but all of which revolved around

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<v Speaker 2>his upper body strength, blushing.

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<v Speaker 3>I am blushing, and he's too young even for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, this is what I'm enjoying about it,

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<v Speaker 1>actually because the older women I used to feeling a

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<v Speaker 1>bit weird about finding twenty one year olds attractive. But

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<v Speaker 1>how old are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm thoroughly enjoying the faith that you are

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<v Speaker 1>now also a creepy old lady.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is the thing I feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, this was part of the reason I was allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to write about it. But still even then, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a line that I feel like I'm crossing regardless.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the dancing, just these beautiful moments within that

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<v Speaker 2>contemporary dance where he was hoisting her above his head

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<v Speaker 2>and just obviously she's doing the majority of the work right,

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<v Speaker 2>like she's the one holding the leg up, performing the

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<v Speaker 2>arabesques and making this what is an already exceptional image,

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<v Speaker 2>just this photographic moment, and there were so many that

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<v Speaker 2>came out of what he did, but it also just

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<v Speaker 2>brought this beautiful range to him, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>what's appealed to audiences With Robert Off the stage, he

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<v Speaker 2>has this emotional depth that I think has not ever

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<v Speaker 2>been found disingenuous. I think he's quite I mean The

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times wrote an article this week saying he

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<v Speaker 2>actually is that nice. And you've never heard a bad

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<v Speaker 2>word about Robert Irwin, which clearly resonated on stage.

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<v Speaker 1>His social media is full of him pulling over his

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<v Speaker 1>car in the African jungle to rescue with endangered something

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<v Speaker 1>or other that's trying to crawl across the road. This

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<v Speaker 1>is while he was on set for I'm a Celebrity,

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<v Speaker 1>Get me out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a chameleon. Look at him. This is my favorite

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<v Speaker 3>animal in Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at that beautiful prehensile tail. He does seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be a genuinely good and nice person, highly intelligent, very

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<v Speaker 1>thoughtful person. But he's also making conservation hot and we

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<v Speaker 1>got him off the road just in time.

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<v Speaker 3>You nearly got run over there, buddy. Look at that.

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<v Speaker 4>This has made my whole day.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the serious part of what Robert Irwin does,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it. He is obviously enjoying the fact that everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else is enjoying him as a public figure, but he

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<v Speaker 1>always brings it back to conservation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and you know what I think.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes him a very, very extremely rare breed of celebrity.

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<v Speaker 2>So in terms of your contemporary celebrity appeal, there's the

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<v Speaker 2>trashy influenza, or there's the very secretive a lister that

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<v Speaker 2>has a world of mystique around them. There's really no

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<v Speaker 2>one in between. And when you look at the cross

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<v Speaker 2>section that is Robert Irwin's public profile, he is a

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<v Speaker 2>man who loves animals, a man who wears cuban heels

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<v Speaker 2>on stage and performs in a shimmering vest, and a

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<v Speaker 2>man who will talk excessively about photography.

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<v Speaker 3>All of these things are not cool.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these things are very sort of earnest and embarrassing,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet he manages to distill them into something so

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<v Speaker 2>alluring because he does have an exceptional level of knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>in his field, and it shows, I mean, the family

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<v Speaker 2>overall and their impacting conservation has been unparalleled in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>which we know it's also a bit of an uphill battle,

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<v Speaker 2>but well that's for another episode.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think something.

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<v Speaker 2>Australians don't know is that he was already very famous

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<v Speaker 2>in America. So I grew up in the States and

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<v Speaker 2>within the US we had a plethora of channels that

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<v Speaker 2>Australia hadn't really had access to because they were kind

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<v Speaker 2>of still on the standard cycle of you know, your

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<v Speaker 2>four or five.

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<v Speaker 3>Main things to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got drip fed Steve Irwin and the Irwin

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<v Speaker 2>family in the early two thousands, whereas in the US

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<v Speaker 2>they already had deals with Animal Planet, they were already

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<v Speaker 2>massive celebrities over there. And I think we also take

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<v Speaker 2>for granted in this country that our greatest cultural export

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<v Speaker 2>is animals at the end of the day, like it

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<v Speaker 2>is such a weird fascination snakes, you know, all the marsupials, wildlife.

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<v Speaker 2>There are things that the wider world finds absolutely enthralling,

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<v Speaker 2>so you take it in that context.

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<v Speaker 3>He was born.

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<v Speaker 2>There was even a film special of his birth at

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<v Speaker 2>Australia Zoo that was broadcast in the States that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily as big as it was here.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember seeing that as a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>This is making it even more creepy than you find

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<v Speaker 1>them attractive.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, growing up, growing up with Robert Irwin, I was

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<v Speaker 2>actually saying, the last time I saw photos of him

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<v Speaker 2>was when he had that bleach blonde bowl cut.

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<v Speaker 4>Kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I think their mom might have been cutting their hair

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<v Speaker 1>at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not a good look. Look the co key

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<v Speaker 2>to glittering suit pipeline was fantastic, But they also watched

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<v Speaker 2>him in one of the most horrendous moments and the

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<v Speaker 2>most tragic moments of the family's life, which is when

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Irwin passed.

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<v Speaker 3>He was two years old in that moment, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The picture of that family and the tableau of Terry

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<v Speaker 2>now assuming this single motherhood role, but also assuming this

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<v Speaker 2>massive empire of what is a very ethical and very

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<v Speaker 2>virtuous sort of craft of conserving the planet and educating

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<v Speaker 2>people about it, and then juggling two very young children,

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<v Speaker 2>and this reputation of Steve Irwin who managed to engage

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<v Speaker 2>a global audience in what was otherwise something that people

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<v Speaker 2>didn't necessary really care about, or only ever cared about

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<v Speaker 2>when they were at a zoo for an hour or so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that trajectory and having that kind of consciousness

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<v Speaker 2>on a global stage so young, and then never having

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<v Speaker 2>a scand or never having any sort of stray away

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<v Speaker 2>from that, built such an incredible atmosphere and an aura

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<v Speaker 2>around him that made him so appealing.

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<v Speaker 3>And what's funny now.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the dancing with the star segue really was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most incredible I think commercial opportunities on behalf

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<v Speaker 2>of the show, because obviously they saw that ten years prior,

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<v Speaker 2>his sister Bindi had entered and won, and they managed

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<v Speaker 2>to convince him to come on. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the thing about these big reality shows, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that they're sometimes seen as a springboard for greater fame,

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<v Speaker 1>greater celebrity. Bindi used her win quite strategically to bring

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<v Speaker 1>attention back to the tourist operation in Australia and the

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<v Speaker 1>conservation work. That's an opportunity potentially for Robert Irla. But

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<v Speaker 1>the other path for him is massive Hollywood stardom.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, do you see him going there?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if he would do that, because he does

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<v Speaker 2>seem quite fixated and aware of the impact he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to make on the world. I think that's always been

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<v Speaker 2>very consistent, and it's very uniquely consistent someone who started

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<v Speaker 2>so young and has been in the public eye literally

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<v Speaker 2>since birth. I think it could follow the route of

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<v Speaker 2>David Attenborough, go on that whole sort of in depth

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<v Speaker 2>look at the planet around us and really build an

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<v Speaker 2>environment around that. I do think though, that it will

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<v Speaker 2>be a massive possibility for him because at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, he looks like a ken dole, he

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<v Speaker 2>has a brain, and he has such a gorgeous modern

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<v Speaker 2>masculinity that I think a lot of people don't necessarily find.

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<v Speaker 3>In many celebrities overall.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, this kind of way that we

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<v Speaker 2>want that super hot I bring it back to super

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<v Speaker 2>hot again, but super hot man who is also smart

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<v Speaker 2>and sensitive and aware of the world. But the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, one of his major campaigns has been

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<v Speaker 2>promoting endometriosis awareness purely because of his sister. He has

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<v Speaker 2>such a unique familial love and that's something that really

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<v Speaker 2>came out throughout the show as well, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people forgot about it. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>last time we heard of Robert Irwin was I'm a celebrity,

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<v Speaker 2>Get me out of here. Don't know if that really

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<v Speaker 2>made as much of a splash, but before that, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the Bonds ad And to see a twenty year

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<v Speaker 2>old Robert Erwin, who we all knew was that little

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<v Speaker 2>boy in khakis and napis with a large snake draped

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<v Speaker 2>around his shoulders really.

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<v Speaker 3>Just changed the image of him to the public. But

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<v Speaker 3>it just wasn't it. I don't know, it wasn't sallacious.

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<v Speaker 2>There was something about him that made it so fine

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<v Speaker 2>for both myself and women upwards of thirty years older

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<v Speaker 2>than me stare in the office and think it's okay

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<v Speaker 2>to put this on the front page.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it doesn't feel like he's being exploited for his look.

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<v Speaker 1>He feels very much in control of it. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the funny things I thought about that Bonds campaign

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<v Speaker 1>is that the reason everyone went, oh, wow, he's really

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<v Speaker 1>handsome was that he wasn't smiling. He has a very natural, huge,

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<v Speaker 1>very goofy smile. When he's not smiling, he is he's moldering. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he smolders. He's stunningly good looking. It's very rare to

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<v Speaker 1>see him not smiling. And that's what you say about

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<v Speaker 1>his face while he's dancing. He's often not smiling but

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<v Speaker 1>very composed. Yeah, we just need him to maybe smile less.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I know. I mean there is that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was that study a while ago that women are

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful when they smile and men aren't, and I firmly

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<v Speaker 2>believe that that might be the case to this day.

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<v Speaker 3>Bianka far Marcus, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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