WEBVTT - NRL 360 - "We can't get him to work!" - New details swarm around Cobbo as young star wants to play fullback! Sloan given permission to leave Dragons | 24/06/25

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to our three to sixty year abilly from every

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<v Speaker 1>angle joining me again the great good talent. Let's been

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<v Speaker 1>the jays in poor Crawley and Andrew Webster as the

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<v Speaker 1>Broncos taking on the Warriors. The Broncos have gone back

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<v Speaker 1>to back? Are they back? And the Warrior is the

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping Giants? Maybe in the NRL in season twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>got it, But the Broncos Selwyn Cobbo, what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>with him?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a fast moving story, isn't it. Obviously I

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<v Speaker 2>thought he was put back to Reserve Grade to find

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<v Speaker 2>some form and he was a little bit injured to

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<v Speaker 2>Now other clubs have come to the party and want

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<v Speaker 2>him to play, and I don't understand why they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>let him go and free up some money.

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<v Speaker 3>The Boys, well the Cowboys have put in the pitch

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<v Speaker 3>to get him before June thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>St George as well.

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<v Speaker 3>The Cowboys wanted him before June three. Well, the Dragons

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<v Speaker 3>dip it. They didn't agree on the price and the

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<v Speaker 3>Broncos have knocked it back. What I can't understand is

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<v Speaker 3>if the club doesn't want to play him, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>have a contract for next year. He's got an opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>to go somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 4>Hold him back?

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<v Speaker 1>Why hold makes sense?

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't You can only think that the only sense it

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<v Speaker 3>makes is that don't want to give another team a

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<v Speaker 3>leg up.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a quality player. I can sort of see some

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<v Speaker 5>of the logic in it. If you're going to make

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<v Speaker 5>a run at the finals, you want to you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you want some back up there in the outside backs,

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<v Speaker 5>and he's a quality player Former Queensland Australian players. No, no,

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<v Speaker 5>I get that.

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<v Speaker 4>I get that.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's also but if they're going to low ball him,

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<v Speaker 5>or if they only have three hundred left in their cap,

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<v Speaker 5>which is what it sounds like they do, let him

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<v Speaker 5>go down.

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<v Speaker 4>They're a bit light on in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>They let a guy go for like in a social

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<v Speaker 2>media post and paid him out, So you would think

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<v Speaker 2>getting offered some money for a guy that's playing reserve

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<v Speaker 2>grade if it's the same sort of business sense where

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<v Speaker 2>you'd let him go, well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they can all agree so on Cobo as

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<v Speaker 1>the potential to be one of the best wingers backs

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<v Speaker 1>in the game. He's an absolute superstar or should be,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's got the talent, you know, He reminds us

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<v Speaker 1>or me of a Latroal Mitchell kind of you know

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<v Speaker 1>GI obviously not at that level, but he has the

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<v Speaker 1>potential to be. But there's so much I've heard around him.

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<v Speaker 1>Why hasn't it worked at Brisbane? Is it because of

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<v Speaker 1>the Broncos or is it because of Selwyn Cobba?

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<v Speaker 4>Both? I think both.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought it was a really telling comment from Billy

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<v Speaker 5>Walters in the last few days saying that Seln has

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<v Speaker 5>to find his love of football again and if that's

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<v Speaker 5>the case, then that's on Selwyn. When I think about Selwyn,

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<v Speaker 5>I think about the infamous podcast that he did and

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<v Speaker 5>he mentioned Kevin Walder and said he doesn't coach a team.

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<v Speaker 5>I was one of the three people that went back

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<v Speaker 5>and listened to that entire podcast for an hour and

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<v Speaker 5>a half. Yeah, there wasn't that many who did. And

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<v Speaker 5>he made a really telling statement he said, I want

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<v Speaker 5>to play fullback. I want to play fullback. And I remember,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, before Reese Walsh, when he was just emerging,

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<v Speaker 5>we all thought, you know, it was a shootout between

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<v Speaker 5>him and Selwyn Cobbo, and Reese obviously got that jumper

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<v Speaker 5>and made it his own and he deserves to be there, Reese,

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<v Speaker 5>but I'd love to see he's only twenty three. I

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<v Speaker 5>would love to see Selwyn Cobbo, as you said, he's

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<v Speaker 5>got g I sort of all over him. I'd love

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<v Speaker 5>to see Soe and Cobbo find his love with the

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<v Speaker 5>game again and go and play fullback somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Dragons well, they have got Gutho, and Gotho might might

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<v Speaker 3>potentially long term move into the Hearts. Who knows, like

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<v Speaker 3>he could play center anywhere he wanted. The thing about

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<v Speaker 3>Sewin and going back to Billy's quote though, and he

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<v Speaker 3>has to go and find his love of football.

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<v Speaker 4>When when Mage.

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<v Speaker 3>McGuire, with his reputation as a hard ass, signed with

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<v Speaker 3>the Broncos. Of all the players you thought may struggle

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<v Speaker 3>under Madge, Selwyn would have been at the top of

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<v Speaker 3>my list. And for Billy to say that today, it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like, mate, if he hasn't got his love there,

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<v Speaker 3>go let him enjoy it somewhere else. Like is it

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<v Speaker 3>that big a burden for Brisbane not to release him?

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<v Speaker 1>Really, because all I've heard out of Brisbane is that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's got a few issues. He gets home sick,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't love the game, him. You know, some games

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<v Speaker 1>he just doesn't want to play for reasons that other

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<v Speaker 1>players would wouldn't make up. So there is certainly I

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<v Speaker 1>think there has to be said there's an issue there

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<v Speaker 1>with Selwyn because Brisbane you can say, well, he hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>been coach right or handled right, and I'm sure Brisbane

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<v Speaker 1>is saying, well, you know what, we've tried hard with

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<v Speaker 1>this kid and we just can't get him to work.

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<v Speaker 3>Question in the world break.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not the point.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that if they've realized that, which is the reason

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<v Speaker 3>why they're offering him three hundred and something thousand half

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<v Speaker 3>his paypacket for next year, they've realized that, and if

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<v Speaker 3>there is an opportunity to go else where, why hold

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<v Speaker 3>him back, Like a couple of weeks ago they wore

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<v Speaker 3>those black jerseys for mental health, and do you just

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<v Speaker 3>wear the jerseys or do you live it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it?

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<v Speaker 3>If there's an opportunity where he thinks he can go

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<v Speaker 3>and have a better career and maybe pick himself up,

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<v Speaker 3>let him do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great point you make. I love to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from Brisbane why they didn't let him go, because you

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<v Speaker 1>make some valid points, some really good points there as

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<v Speaker 1>to if you're not going to keep him, you offering

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<v Speaker 1>you're low balling him anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>He can't do like they offered him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a state of ogon player with the well, which

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<v Speaker 2>means that's a bit of a kick in the bar.

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<v Speaker 3>So and there's you're right, Gordon, there's no question of world.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got to take some ownership here, absolutely, But if

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<v Speaker 3>it's not working for him, and they've obviously decided he's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be there, even though they say they

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<v Speaker 3>want to keep him on half the wage, it ain't

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<v Speaker 3>going to work out.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there's some guys you've got to manage, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I always say that Stephen and Uf wouldn't have had

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<v Speaker 2>the same career if he played under Bryan Smith. I

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<v Speaker 2>did right, And there's certain ways to manage certain players.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember we were walking off trainer one day

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<v Speaker 2>and I said to Wayne Bennett, why doesn't he have

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<v Speaker 2>to do it? Wayne goes, when you do what he

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<v Speaker 2>can do, you do what he does. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>a great lesson for me. They worry about my job

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<v Speaker 2>and not worry about what everybody gets. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne does at Souse with Latrelle and all those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all individuals, they're not one, but they come together

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday. And then he'd have was saying, just as

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<v Speaker 2>long as you bring your boots. I think he's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Sell on combos. So imagine Maguire signed on his head coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, well, they're far from the perfect match in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of Cobbo and Magui, the way that he plays,

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<v Speaker 1>the way that he trains, and the way that Madge coaches,

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<v Speaker 1>and already less than a year looks like the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>is over. Now. We spoke last night about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the Broncos looking busted. You and Buzz said that pain

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<v Speaker 1>Hass probably should be rested. Reese Walsh even carrying that

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<v Speaker 1>knee injury. What do we think of this?

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<v Speaker 4>I agree everything Gordon said.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that if the Broncos want the best out

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<v Speaker 3>of pain Hess at the end of the season, they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to give him a break on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it his back, was it his groin? Was it

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<v Speaker 3>his hamstring? They sort of switched between this and that,

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<v Speaker 3>and no one really said. What you know about pain

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<v Speaker 3>Hearss is that every time he runs on the field,

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<v Speaker 3>he's got such a big motor and he's got such

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<v Speaker 3>a commitment to do his absolute best he will run

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<v Speaker 3>himself into the ground if you allow him.

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<v Speaker 1>To do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And Madge, when this came up last night, the first

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<v Speaker 3>image that came to my head was Greg English into

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<v Speaker 3>he seventeen when he was playing at South Sydney and

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<v Speaker 3>Madge was the coach and he did his knee in

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<v Speaker 3>the first half and he played on in the second half.

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<v Speaker 3>It was against the Tigers, and towards the end of

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<v Speaker 3>that game even the Tigers players felt sorry for Gui,

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<v Speaker 3>where they basically they didn't want to go in and

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<v Speaker 3>tackle him anymore and he was left out in the field.

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<v Speaker 3>Sam Burgers had issues there. He's got to take that

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<v Speaker 3>into consider.

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<v Speaker 1>Ra be resting players of the mayment. Now Reese is different.

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<v Speaker 1>Reese's got the mcl injury with PC which he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to have for the rest of the year. And even

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Slater said he had the same injury. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go away. He's got to play it. He's

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<v Speaker 1>going to play it. You know, it's as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 1>Peyton Ha's a little bit different. What if Madge has

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<v Speaker 1>spoken of paint and pains like whole want to play

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<v Speaker 1>you got to play, but you've got to.

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<v Speaker 2>Save him from themselves because Shane Webke wanted to play

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<v Speaker 2>and like I played with guys like Petro and they

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<v Speaker 2>just feel like they don't want to let the players down.

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<v Speaker 2>And talking to paint House after the game on the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, I love this Jersey, I love this club

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to let the boys down.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's going to let them down at.

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<v Speaker 2>Some stage because of how much petrol he's got on

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<v Speaker 2>his team.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not a rav right now under a huge pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Copy it from the media. They Comet got back on

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<v Speaker 1>track yet, But do you rest pain then you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do well, you've got to rely on your squad. Penrith

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<v Speaker 2>did it right. So Penrith are in a worse position

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<v Speaker 2>than Brisbane. Can they rely on the squad right now though?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>Question?

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<v Speaker 3>But in the end of it is as Gordon said,

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<v Speaker 3>do you use him up now and leave nothing in

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<v Speaker 3>the tank for later.

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<v Speaker 4>In the year or do you give him a rest?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I'll tell you one thing is.

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<v Speaker 3>Quite certain, he won't go out in Origin three and

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<v Speaker 3>leave anything in the text.

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<v Speaker 2>The guys that they're going to rely on now, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to rely on at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the year when the chips are bigger and they're all in.

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<v Speaker 5>The side of Reese Walsh in the warm up doing

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<v Speaker 5>his knee and then playing on there. I really want

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<v Speaker 5>to say this, Like Ree Welsh gets bashed up a

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<v Speaker 5>lot in the press. I thought the way that he

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<v Speaker 5>managed to stay on the field and continue to play

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<v Speaker 5>on and then finish that game as he did Awkland

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<v Speaker 5>and had an absolute blinder Like I sometimes I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think we give these blokes enough credit, like for the

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<v Speaker 5>to be able to do that and play the standard

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<v Speaker 5>football that he did.

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<v Speaker 4>We're just watching it there.

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<v Speaker 5>And just to see the way that he limped around,

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<v Speaker 5>Like I mean, they're tough bloks to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>I would think that Pain to me seems like the

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<v Speaker 5>mature sort of football. I know what you mean about

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<v Speaker 5>players wanted to go through. He seems like mature enough

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<v Speaker 5>as a footballer to make the decision himself. That's that's

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<v Speaker 5>how Pain seems to me. He seems like a pretty

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<v Speaker 5>smart cookie, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Waters has addressed the unfolding Cobo situation and his

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<v Speaker 1>own future under Michael maguire at red Hill.

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<v Speaker 6>There was never really a culture issue. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just there's always teething periods, I guess with a

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<v Speaker 6>new coach and he's a bit different the way keV

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<v Speaker 6>did things. So that's not good or bad. That's just

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<v Speaker 6>the way it is with coaches. And we're just happy

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<v Speaker 6>that we've got back to back wins and can build

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<v Speaker 6>off the back of that advice. Can you to sell them, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I suppose just to be patient and find the love

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<v Speaker 6>for foot again where he to support seally and whatever

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<v Speaker 6>he needs to do, and we love having about the club.

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<v Speaker 1>We love having him in our team.

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<v Speaker 6>Blake Bos has just been resigned obviously now we've run

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<v Speaker 6>over the next year as well.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of competition.

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<v Speaker 6>There is there, Yeah, there is, but it brings out

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<v Speaker 6>your best footy. I feel I haven't had as many

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<v Speaker 6>minutes as what I've had the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm just happy I'm stilling the team at the

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<v Speaker 6>moment and off the back of two wins, two really

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<v Speaker 6>good wins. It's just a good feeling around the place.

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<v Speaker 1>So just happy to be involved. There is Billy Waters

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<v Speaker 1>talking about sell and Cobble, hoping that he stays patient

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<v Speaker 1>and gets another shot and can find the love of

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<v Speaker 1>his footy again, which I think speaks volumes to the

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<v Speaker 1>situation and where selling is out at the moment. He

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<v Speaker 1>also mentioned there that he'd like to play more minutes

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<v Speaker 1>and hasn't played as many as he has in previous years.

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<v Speaker 1>And Billy just to give him a rap when he

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<v Speaker 1>come on the weekend, he changed the game. Like when

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<v Speaker 1>he came on, they were behind, it was just after halftime.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was halfter the ten minutes in the

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<v Speaker 1>bin where they failed to score a try. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Cronulla scored. He came on and they went on to

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<v Speaker 1>win the game. So he's definitely having an impact there.

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<v Speaker 4>Gordy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, with such big personalities and pain and carrying

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<v Speaker 2>him wanting the ball so much up up the middle,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he gets it to the right places at

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<v Speaker 2>the right time. Billy, and they did look a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit sharper and Adam's the dominant playmaker there, but he

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<v Speaker 2>was given Respulse's chance and that he looked better with Billy.

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<v Speaker 1>And does he get pushed out Billy?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Well, I hope not, but it's probably looking that way.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Cowboys have released their hooker. He's going to

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<v Speaker 2>the roosters next year, so there's spots for Billy and

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's got a bit more to offer this competition.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think you better this time next year?

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<v Speaker 4>You wouldn't think so after they signed that hooker, but

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<v Speaker 4>I hope so By.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd yeah, I like it. He's a great player. Can

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<v Speaker 5>I just say this about me? We're bashing out magic

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<v Speaker 5>Cops are fair bit of criticism. They're fifth for club.

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<v Speaker 5>It'son supposedly been in crisis a few weeks ago and

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<v Speaker 5>we're questioning his methodology and that's fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're fifth, said, you know, we've got to give

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<v Speaker 1>him credit.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not they're not.

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<v Speaker 5>They can be streaky, but I think apart from Canberra

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<v Speaker 5>and Canbury, tell me what team isn't in his competition.

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<v Speaker 1>Jury is still out, but they've improved a lot. They've

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<v Speaker 1>won to in a row and everyone was bashing them

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<v Speaker 1>before that, so you know there's still a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>positive signs there for the Broncos. I agree with you, Rebby.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well things changed when Reecee Walsh came back.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when it changed.

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<v Speaker 3>And prior to that, Whereby you say they were getting

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<v Speaker 3>bashed up deservedly, So sure, that their form was awful.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the football they were playing was terrible. There

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<v Speaker 3>was so much coming out of that club that it's

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<v Speaker 3>not an issue you could ignore. And then they beat

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<v Speaker 3>the Titans. They started pretty ordinary against the Shark, but

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<v Speaker 3>the second half was super impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, there's some massive ins and outs around seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to sports, but let's take a look real pivotal

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<v Speaker 1>ones and the big one. To start off with Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>Cleary named at halfback for the Panthers. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>question mark over that after his origin game two. Galvin

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<v Speaker 1>has been selected for the Bulldogs. He is on the bench.

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<v Speaker 1>Will they use him like they did last time or not?

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<v Speaker 1>Feynu to half back low wide of five eight for

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<v Speaker 1>the Tigers. Flenny and king Tony are remaining the hards

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<v Speaker 1>for the Dragons. Walker and Graham back from injury for

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<v Speaker 1>the Bunny He's good one for them and Ford. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>he has been recalled at five eight four the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with Nathan Cleary. It's a huge game up

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<v Speaker 1>against the Dogs. I think both these teams have got

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<v Speaker 1>a bit to prove here.

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<v Speaker 5>Can I just say this what a phizzer on on

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<v Speaker 5>Nathan Cleary is he going to be in ro out

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<v Speaker 5>of origin. He's backed up already. So all that talk

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<v Speaker 5>about who's going to suppose we'll see in a big

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<v Speaker 5>game like this on on Thursday night. I know one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's he's good enough to play in the didn't suit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like, that's one thing that I made. You just

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<v Speaker 2>hope that he doesn't redo it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he was clearly hampered Orange and he wasn't kicking.

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<v Speaker 3>He early kicks would going to Lui. He didn't do

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<v Speaker 3>the goal kicking. You know there was an injury there.

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<v Speaker 3>They rested him last week that you know more about

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<v Speaker 3>this break with managing the load of his kicking, how

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<v Speaker 3>he visualizes his kicks now and doesn't do as much,

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<v Speaker 3>And it's they need him on the field. Like a

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<v Speaker 3>month ago, they're sitting last on the ladder. Now they're rape.

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<v Speaker 3>They go over there without their origin players and beat

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<v Speaker 3>the Warriors. This is a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>If Tea thought the biggest turning point for them this

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<v Speaker 1>year would be with all their origin players out playing

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<v Speaker 1>a top four team over in New Zealand, Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>that could they could really turn their season around. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it probably already has, but this could be the momentum

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<v Speaker 1>they needed, They get the Origin players back and it

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<v Speaker 1>proves to be a big game to take on the

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<v Speaker 1>bulldog was Now Galvin has been named at seventeen. How

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<v Speaker 1>do they playing? Do they playing like they did last time?

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<v Speaker 4>Or I'll ask you how do they play well?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it worked last time. I can't imagine them

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<v Speaker 1>playing him any differently unless there's injuries or you know

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<v Speaker 1>they sex and struggles badly or Burton in that case.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would assume that because they work so well

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<v Speaker 1>the first time with that dynamic, they would stick to that.

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<v Speaker 4>How long? How long do they keep on doing this?

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<v Speaker 4>For holding the kid back?

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<v Speaker 3>Sexton was so good, wasn't he like when he partnered

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<v Speaker 3>up with him last time? And the week after he

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<v Speaker 3>was a paramatta that they'd played, and then the following

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<v Speaker 3>week he had his best first half of football since

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<v Speaker 3>being there. But Galvin has also looked so good, So

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<v Speaker 3>at some stage it's got to go one way, and

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<v Speaker 3>you would think the long term answer is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be Galvin at seven sec and to his credit, he's

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<v Speaker 3>creating a fight for it.

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<v Speaker 1>What about reed MANI he wasn't too happy a few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's the same as how do they play it

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<v Speaker 3>this time? Like if Galvin comes on, does Sexton move

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<v Speaker 3>to dummy half and does Reese go back to the

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<v Speaker 3>dressing room to kick some more cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. How does he handle it?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 5>Read only looks a lot happier I think than he

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<v Speaker 5>was in that game, but probably after that game. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think, to be honest, I think the way you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I've said this elsewhere. You know, Gus always talks about

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<v Speaker 5>Penrith's success wasn't so much the culture of the club,

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<v Speaker 5>but the chemistry within the team. You know, that's been

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<v Speaker 5>the success of Penrith in many ways. And I think

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<v Speaker 5>the way that both I know, I think it says

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<v Speaker 5>a lot about Read's competitiveness, the way that he reacted

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<v Speaker 5>after that that game against Paramatta, but the way that

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<v Speaker 5>Toby has sort of embraced it and like it. If

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<v Speaker 5>you don't have that then it could have been really toxic.

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<v Speaker 5>But the way it's shaped, it looks like it's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's gonna work from well.

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<v Speaker 1>It says a lot about the club where they're in

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<v Speaker 1>their culture. Now I forget about Cleary and Serrouto. It's

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<v Speaker 1>about Cleary v. Gus Cleary v Gus for sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you know I helped Ivan with his book.

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<v Speaker 4>That's out of the moment.

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<v Speaker 5>Feel free to go and buy ten thousand cops one

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<v Speaker 5>and that's right, yeah, good, good for not everything counts,

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<v Speaker 5>but everything matters. But it's a leadership book. But in

0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.880
<v Speaker 5>that book, Ivant explains how he says it straight out.

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<v Speaker 5>He goes, Gus hurt me, you know the way that

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<v Speaker 5>the way that the Gus sacked him the first time

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<v Speaker 5>in two thousand and fifty, and it was they were

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<v Speaker 5>never the same after that.

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<v Speaker 4>He was gusting in many ways.

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<v Speaker 5>I reckon the fact that Canterbury have built so much

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<v Speaker 5>of their rebuild around Canterbury around Penrith, players around Penrith, coaching,

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<v Speaker 5>around Penrith staff.

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<v Speaker 2>But but that's right, did gusco get all those kids?

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<v Speaker 4>Did Gus find those kids and the help build.

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<v Speaker 5>That he set up the team there? But I mean

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<v Speaker 5>the system at Penrith. But just knowing the history between

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<v Speaker 5>the two.

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<v Speaker 4>Of them, I think Ivan.

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<v Speaker 5>Ivan's too classy and too understated to say it, but

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<v Speaker 5>I think he would love to get one up over him.

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<v Speaker 1>There's more to this game than just the players. Of course, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Clint Garthinson says time maybe running out

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<v Speaker 1>for the Dragons to find the right halves combination. As

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<v Speaker 1>shamed for an again digs in on his selections.

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<v Speaker 7>I think when you're in the seven Jersey there's always

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<v Speaker 7>going to be added pressure. Doesn't matter if you're winning,

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<v Speaker 7>you're losing. There's always going to be pressure and the

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<v Speaker 7>best way.

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<v Speaker 4>To deal with that is win.

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<v Speaker 7>If you're winning and you're winning well and playing well

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<v Speaker 7>and doing your job, the pressure gets off you. And look,

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<v Speaker 7>it takes time and we don't have time in there

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<v Speaker 7>and you're going to get make things work pretty quickly. Look,

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<v Speaker 7>Locke's handled the whole situation great. He hasn't kicked stones,

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<v Speaker 7>hasn't has it wins one He just got about his business.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think the one nine in a row in

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<v Speaker 7>New South Wales Cup, so at seventeen that gets to

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<v Speaker 7>play every week is out there to try and win.

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<v Speaker 7>And if you don't, your positions on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Shave Flannagin won't budge on the halves Crawls.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think I think this If Flanno was

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<v Speaker 3>going to budge, this had to be the week because

0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Lockie was dropped. Was it seven games back. It was

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<v Speaker 3>his game management that was letting him down at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't agree with Flanno's assumption that Kyle has done

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<v Speaker 3>better in that respect. I thought his last game was

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<v Speaker 3>particularly poor. He's kicking games not good. But if you

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<v Speaker 3>were going to make a change, this was the week

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<v Speaker 3>you had to do it, because you look at that draw.

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<v Speaker 3>They're playing the Eels this week, and look who follows.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got the Raiders, the Roosters, the Bulldogs, the Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 3>the Raiders, the Sharks, the Warriors. So if you're going

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<v Speaker 3>with Cole Flanigan, now you hit your wagon to him

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<v Speaker 3>and you keep him to the end of the season,

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<v Speaker 3>because I reckon it would be weak to come in

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<v Speaker 3>a few games into that run and then give someone

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<v Speaker 3>else like ill As his chance and then say, well

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<v Speaker 3>I told you so. So if this is their time,

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<v Speaker 3>and Flanno's also, he's gambling on his own job here

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<v Speaker 3>because what they finished eleventh last year, and you go

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<v Speaker 3>through that run and you don't win your share of games,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a good chance you're going to finish well down

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<v Speaker 3>the ladder. And what the one topic everyone will talk

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<v Speaker 3>about is the coach and his son.

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<v Speaker 1>What does it mean, if Funo doesn't finish above eleventh

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<v Speaker 1>this year, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't think there's no way that they'll move him on

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<v Speaker 5>at all. I think I think Sean Flanagan's a right

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<v Speaker 5>blake for the job, I really do. And I think

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<v Speaker 5>he needs more than just two years to improve the Dragons,

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<v Speaker 5>because they were coming from a pretty low base when

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<v Speaker 5>he took over the problem with Flannel is that he's

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<v Speaker 5>got a blind spot when it comes to his son,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. And I say that with the greatest respect

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<v Speaker 5>to to Shane and to Kyle, but and it's admirable

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<v Speaker 5>that he that he supports his son and that he

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<v Speaker 5>comes out swinging for him, but he surely he cannot

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<v Speaker 5>understand when he says, you know, Kyle's among our best

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<v Speaker 5>performers every week, that even if it's the case, and

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<v Speaker 5>even if he thinks that, just don't say it, because the.

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<v Speaker 4>Optics of it are terrible. And it only works.

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<v Speaker 5>The father son combination works if you're Ivan and Nathan Cleary.

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<v Speaker 5>And you saw with Ricky Stewart last week with Jed

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<v Speaker 5>just how reserved he was, how much.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right he should be there. It's a really tricky.

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<v Speaker 3>Better off and it would be better for Cole if

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<v Speaker 3>he said nothing, that's right because it doesn't do him

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<v Speaker 3>any favors. But but whether you tell me, can you

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<v Speaker 3>can you ignore the fact that it's not just a

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<v Speaker 3>Dragons fans. We sit here and talk about it too,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's it's an obvious point. They've got Daniel Ackertson

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<v Speaker 3>going there next year. They brought Lachlin to play seven

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<v Speaker 3>and he's gone back. He's done nothing wrong. They've won seven.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got tries, he's got huge triassists, he's not missing

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<v Speaker 3>tackles one points through a game. Like, he's doing everything

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<v Speaker 3>that he possibly could and.

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<v Speaker 1>Do everything that I wanted him to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet Kyle is still keeping hold of the seven jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>If your reserve grades winning games away, they're doing your

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<v Speaker 2>first grades losing, there's got to be the ladder up.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be a slippery slide down, but there's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be a ladder up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the problem is he's got with these players is

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<v Speaker 1>if they go back and play out of their skin

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<v Speaker 1>and win games and do everything that they have coaches

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<v Speaker 1>to ask of them, and they don't get picked in

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<v Speaker 1>first round while the first grade team is losing, then

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<v Speaker 1>what do you what do you do? And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>all the players are probably thinking that and talking about

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<v Speaker 1>that amongst themselves. It's like what else can we do?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that's and then that can be toxic inn

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<v Speaker 1>a group. That's all I'm saying. That's from experience.

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<v Speaker 3>There's an old saying that you can't pull your socks

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<v Speaker 3>up if you're not wearing any But with Flannel playing

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<v Speaker 3>his son there, like's if it's not the most important

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<v Speaker 3>position on the field, it's one of the two most

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<v Speaker 3>important positions on the field, and it's not working for

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<v Speaker 3>the Dragons if they slide down the ladder further this year.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a problem that they've got to address, and it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't seem like they have gone about addressing.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a real reluctance from Saint George's directors to

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<v Speaker 5>get Shane Flanagan to the club in the first place,

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<v Speaker 5>because of this very situation that we're in that they're

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<v Speaker 5>in now about about the problem about whether how it

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<v Speaker 5>would work with Kyle coming to the club and it's

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<v Speaker 5>coming to fruition. But for me, as a long suffering

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<v Speaker 5>Dragons fan, it goes deeper than this, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 5>understand how one of the biggest a club with the

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<v Speaker 5>biggest nurseries in the competition and have been for decades.

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<v Speaker 5>Cannot unearth an organizing halfback. It's been a problem with

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<v Speaker 5>that club for decades. And I know they've got King

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<v Speaker 5>coming through, and I've got you know a few other

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<v Speaker 5>young players coming through, Kate Reid, but before that it

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<v Speaker 5>was going to be a moan and and Bud Sullivan.

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<v Speaker 5>So the Dragons just have this inability to keep halves.

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<v Speaker 1>Or keep players.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll keeps.

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<v Speaker 5>In particularly but in particular, in particular decent quality halves

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<v Speaker 5>when they have a nursery like the one that they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Breaking news to this afternoon, Sloan is free to leave,

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<v Speaker 1>so coach Flanagan has given him the opportunity to negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>with other clubs. Thoughts on this sad.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, he had so much potential and when he's on,

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<v Speaker 5>he's on, But you know there's parts of his game

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<v Speaker 5>that aren't then aren't up to NRL standard at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's a tough one. Look watching that game against

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<v Speaker 3>the Sharks two weeks back, it was obvious that he

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't going to keep his spot going forward.

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<v Speaker 4>You came up with multiple errors.

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<v Speaker 3>Is you know that collision with Gutho under the high

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<v Speaker 3>ball that that day, it was just kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>it was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a player that you look at him and it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of similar to Nico Hins in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell that he's just struggling with confidence and belief.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he's on, he's got so much talent, Like

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<v Speaker 1>the kid could be a freak. Like in open space

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<v Speaker 1>he's beautiful watch and even under the high ball in

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<v Speaker 1>good field position he struggles with it coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>his own end. His carries have got to be better.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's just so much to this kid that could

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<v Speaker 1>be special. Seems like he's getting in his own way.

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<v Speaker 5>And earlier in the year he looked like he was

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<v Speaker 5>enjoying not having the pressure of fullback but blood playing

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<v Speaker 5>on the wing. It just seemed like it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it was set up for him to take over from

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<v Speaker 5>Guthe when the time came, but it hasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Worked the other way all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Sticking around journals, Sam Constance is back. The Young Gun

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<v Speaker 1>returns for the Aussie tour of the West Indies. The

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<v Speaker 1>first Test begins tomorrow night from Barbados, with every ball

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<v Speaker 1>live on ESPN,