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Speaker 1: Welcome to our three to sixty year abilly from every

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Speaker 1: angle joining me again the great good talent. Let's been

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Speaker 1: the jays in poor Crawley and Andrew Webster as the

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Speaker 1: Broncos taking on the Warriors. The Broncos have gone back

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Speaker 1: to back? Are they back? And the Warrior is the

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Speaker 1: sleeping Giants? Maybe in the NRL in season twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: got it, But the Broncos Selwyn Cobbo, what's going on

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Speaker 1: with him?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a fast moving story, isn't it. Obviously I

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Speaker 2: thought he was put back to Reserve Grade to find

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Speaker 2: some form and he was a little bit injured to

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Speaker 2: Now other clubs have come to the party and want

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Speaker 2: him to play, and I don't understand why they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: let him go and free up some money.

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Speaker 3: The Boys, well the Cowboys have put in the pitch

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Speaker 3: to get him before June thirty.

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Speaker 4: St George as well.

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys wanted him before June three. Well, the Dragons

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Speaker 3: dip it. They didn't agree on the price and the

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Speaker 3: Broncos have knocked it back. What I can't understand is

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Speaker 3: if the club doesn't want to play him, he doesn't

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Speaker 3: have a contract for next year. He's got an opportunity

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Speaker 3: to go somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: Hold him back?

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Speaker 1: Why hold makes sense?

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Speaker 3: Doesn't You can only think that the only sense it

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Speaker 1: But you know.

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Speaker 5: He's a quality player. I can sort of see some

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Speaker 5: of the logic in it. If you're going to make

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Speaker 5: a run at the finals, you want to you know,

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Speaker 5: you want some back up there in the outside backs,

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Speaker 5: and he's a quality player Former Queensland Australian players. No, no,

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Speaker 5: I get that.

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Speaker 4: I get that.

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Speaker 5: But it's also but if they're going to low ball him,

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Speaker 5: or if they only have three hundred left in their cap,

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Speaker 5: which is what it sounds like they do, let him

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Speaker 4: They're a bit light on in the middle.

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Speaker 2: They let a guy go for like in a social

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Speaker 2: media post and paid him out, So you would think

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Speaker 2: getting offered some money for a guy that's playing reserve

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Speaker 2: grade if it's the same sort of business sense where

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Speaker 2: you'd let him go, well.

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Speaker 1: I think they can all agree so on Cobo as

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Speaker 1: the potential to be one of the best wingers backs

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Speaker 1: in the game. He's an absolute superstar or should be,

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Speaker 1: and he's got the talent, you know, He reminds us

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Speaker 1: or me of a Latroal Mitchell kind of you know

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Speaker 1: GI obviously not at that level, but he has the

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Speaker 1: potential to be. But there's so much I've heard around him.

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Speaker 1: Why hasn't it worked at Brisbane? Is it because of

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Speaker 1: the Broncos or is it because of Selwyn Cobba?

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Speaker 4: Both? I think both.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was a really telling comment from Billy

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Speaker 5: Walters in the last few days saying that Seln has

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Speaker 5: to find his love of football again and if that's

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Speaker 5: the case, then that's on Selwyn. When I think about Selwyn,

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Speaker 5: I think about the infamous podcast that he did and

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Speaker 5: he mentioned Kevin Walder and said he doesn't coach a team.

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Speaker 5: I was one of the three people that went back

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Speaker 5: a half. Yeah, there wasn't that many who did. And

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Speaker 5: he made a really telling statement he said, I want

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Speaker 5: to play fullback. I want to play fullback. And I remember,

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Speaker 5: you know, before Reese Walsh, when he was just emerging,

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Speaker 5: we all thought, you know, it was a shootout between

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Speaker 5: him and Selwyn Cobbo, and Reese obviously got that jumper

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Speaker 5: and made it his own and he deserves to be there, Reese,

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Speaker 5: but I'd love to see he's only twenty three. I

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Speaker 5: would love to see Selwyn Cobbo, as you said, he's

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Speaker 3: Dragons well, they have got Gutho, and Gotho might might

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Speaker 3: potentially long term move into the Hearts. Who knows, like

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Speaker 4: When when Mage.

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Speaker 3: McGuire, with his reputation as a hard ass, signed with

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Speaker 3: the Broncos. Of all the players you thought may struggle

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Speaker 3: under Madge, Selwyn would have been at the top of

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Speaker 3: my list. And for Billy to say that today, it's

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Speaker 3: kind of like, mate, if he hasn't got his love there,

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Speaker 3: go let him enjoy it somewhere else. Like is it

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Speaker 3: that big a burden for Brisbane not to release him?

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Speaker 1: Really, because all I've heard out of Brisbane is that

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Speaker 1: you know, he's got a few issues. He gets home sick,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't love the game, him. You know, some games

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Speaker 1: he just doesn't want to play for reasons that other

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Speaker 1: players would wouldn't make up. So there is certainly I

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Speaker 1: think there has to be said there's an issue there

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Speaker 1: with Selwyn because Brisbane you can say, well, he hasn't

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Speaker 1: been coach right or handled right, and I'm sure Brisbane

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Speaker 3: Question in the world break.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the point.

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Speaker 3: Is that if they've realized that, which is the reason

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Speaker 3: why they're offering him three hundred and something thousand half

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Speaker 3: his paypacket for next year, they've realized that, and if

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Speaker 3: there is an opportunity to go else where, why hold

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Speaker 3: him back, Like a couple of weeks ago they wore

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Speaker 3: those black jerseys for mental health, and do you just

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 3: If there's an opportunity where he thinks he can go

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Speaker 3: let him do.

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Speaker 1: It's a great point you make. I love to hear

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Speaker 1: make some valid points, some really good points there as

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Speaker 1: to if you're not going to keep him, you offering

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Speaker 1: you're low balling him anyway.

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Speaker 4: He can't do like they offered him.

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Speaker 2: He's a state of ogon player with the well, which

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Speaker 2: means that's a bit of a kick in the bar.

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Speaker 3: So and there's you're right, Gordon, there's no question of world.

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Speaker 3: He's got to take some ownership here, absolutely, But if

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Speaker 3: it's not working for him, and they've obviously decided he's

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Speaker 3: want to keep him on half the wage, it ain't

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Speaker 4: You know, there's some guys you've got to manage, right.

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Speaker 2: I always say that Stephen and Uf wouldn't have had

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Speaker 2: the same career if he played under Bryan Smith. I

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Speaker 2: did right, And there's certain ways to manage certain players.

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Speaker 2: And I remember we were walking off trainer one day

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Speaker 2: and not worry about what everybody gets. And that's what

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Speaker 2: Wayne does at Souse with Latrelle and all those guys.

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Speaker 2: They're all individuals, they're not one, but they come together

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Speaker 1: Sell on combos. So imagine Maguire signed on his head coach.

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Speaker 1: I thought, well, they're far from the perfect match in

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Speaker 1: the way that he trains, and the way that Madge coaches,

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Speaker 1: and already less than a year looks like the relationship

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Speaker 1: is over. Now. We spoke last night about some of

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Speaker 1: the Broncos looking busted. You and Buzz said that pain

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Speaker 1: Hass probably should be rested. Reese Walsh even carrying that

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Speaker 4: I agree everything Gordon said.

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Speaker 3: I think that if the Broncos want the best out

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Speaker 3: of pain Hess at the end of the season, they're

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Speaker 3: going to have to give him a break on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Was it his back, was it his groin? Was it

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Speaker 3: his hamstring? They sort of switched between this and that,

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Speaker 3: and no one really said. What you know about pain

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Speaker 3: Hearss is that every time he runs on the field,

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Speaker 3: he's got such a big motor and he's got such

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Speaker 3: a commitment to do his absolute best he will run

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Speaker 1: To do it.

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Speaker 3: And Madge, when this came up last night, the first

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Speaker 3: he seventeen when he was playing at South Sydney and

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Speaker 3: Madge was the coach and he did his knee in

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Speaker 3: the first half and he played on in the second half.

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Speaker 3: It was against the Tigers, and towards the end of

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Speaker 3: that game even the Tigers players felt sorry for Gui,

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Speaker 3: where they basically they didn't want to go in and

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Speaker 3: tackle him anymore and he was left out in the field.

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Speaker 3: Sam Burgers had issues there. He's got to take that

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Speaker 1: Ra be resting players of the mayment. Now Reese is different.

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Speaker 1: Reese's got the mcl injury with PC which he's going

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Speaker 1: Billy Slater said he had the same injury. He's not

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Speaker 1: going to go away. He's got to play it. He's

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Speaker 1: going to play it. You know, it's as simple as that.

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Speaker 1: Peyton Ha's a little bit different. What if Madge has

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Speaker 1: spoken of paint and pains like whole want to play

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Speaker 1: you got to play, but you've got to.

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Speaker 2: Save him from themselves because Shane Webke wanted to play

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Speaker 2: and like I played with guys like Petro and they

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Speaker 2: just feel like they don't want to let the players down.

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Speaker 2: And talking to paint House after the game on the weekend,

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Speaker 2: he said, I love this Jersey, I love this club

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to let the boys down.

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Speaker 4: But he's going to let them down at.

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Speaker 2: Some stage because of how much petrol he's got on

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Speaker 1: He's not a rav right now under a huge pressure.

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Speaker 1: Copy it from the media. They Comet got back on

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Speaker 1: track yet, But do you rest pain then you.

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Speaker 2: Do well, you've got to rely on your squad. Penrith

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Speaker 2: did it right. So Penrith are in a worse position

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Speaker 2: than Brisbane. Can they rely on the squad right now though?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 4: Question?

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Speaker 3: But in the end of it is as Gordon said,

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Speaker 3: do you use him up now and leave nothing in

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Speaker 3: the tank for later.

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Speaker 4: In the year or do you give him a rest?

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Speaker 4: Because I'll tell you one thing is.

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Speaker 3: Quite certain, he won't go out in Origin three and

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Speaker 3: leave anything in the text.

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Speaker 2: The guys that they're going to rely on now, they're

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Speaker 2: the year when the chips are bigger and they're all in.

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Speaker 5: The side of Reese Walsh in the warm up doing

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Speaker 5: his knee and then playing on there. I really want

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Speaker 5: to say this, Like Ree Welsh gets bashed up a

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Speaker 5: lot in the press. I thought the way that he

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Speaker 5: on and then finish that game as he did Awkland

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Speaker 5: and had an absolute blinder Like I sometimes I don't

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Speaker 5: think we give these blokes enough credit, like for the

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Speaker 5: to be able to do that and play the standard

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Speaker 4: We're just watching it there.

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Speaker 5: And just to see the way that he limped around,

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Speaker 5: I would think that Pain to me seems like the

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Speaker 1: Billy Waters has addressed the unfolding Cobo situation and his

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Speaker 6: There was never really a culture issue. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: We love having him in our team.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of competition.

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Speaker 6: There is there, Yeah, there is, but it brings out

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Speaker 1: So just happy to be involved. There is Billy Waters

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Speaker 4: Gordy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, with such big personalities and pain and carrying

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Speaker 1: And does he get pushed out Billy?

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Speaker 2: And the Cowboys have released their hooker. He's going to

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Speaker 2: I think he's got a bit more to offer this competition.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you better this time next year?

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Speaker 5: I'd yeah, I like it. He's a great player. Can

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Speaker 5: I just say this about me? We're bashing out magic

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Speaker 5: It'son supposedly been in crisis a few weeks ago and

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Speaker 1: But they're fifth, said, you know, we've got to give

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Speaker 4: They're not they're not.

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Speaker 5: They can be streaky, but I think apart from Canberra

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Speaker 1: Jury is still out, but they've improved a lot. They've

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Speaker 3: And prior to that, Whereby you say they were getting

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Speaker 1: All right, there's some massive ins and outs around seventeen

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Speaker 1: thanks to sports, but let's take a look real pivotal

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Speaker 1: ones and the big one. To start off with Nathan

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Speaker 1: Cleary named at halfback for the Panthers. There was a

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Speaker 1: Will they use him like they did last time or not?

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Speaker 1: Feynu to half back low wide of five eight for

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Speaker 1: the Tigers. Flenny and king Tony are remaining the hards

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Speaker 1: the Bunny He's good one for them and Ford. Interestingly,

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Nathan Cleary. It's a huge game up

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Speaker 5: Can I just say this what a phizzer on on

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Speaker 5: Nathan Cleary is he going to be in ro out

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Speaker 2: It's he's good enough to play in the didn't suit.

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Speaker 2: That's like, that's one thing that I made. You just

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Speaker 3: Well, he was clearly hampered Orange and he wasn't kicking.

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Speaker 3: He early kicks would going to Lui. He didn't do

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Speaker 3: They go over there without their origin players and beat

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Speaker 1: If Tea thought the biggest turning point for them this

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Speaker 1: that could they could really turn their season around. No,

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Speaker 1: bulldog was Now Galvin has been named at seventeen. How

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Speaker 1: do they playing? Do they playing like they did last time?

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Speaker 4: Or I'll ask you how do they play well?

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Speaker 1: I mean it worked last time. I can't imagine them

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Speaker 4: How long? How long do they keep on doing this?

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Speaker 3: Sexton was so good, wasn't he like when he partnered

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Speaker 1: What about reed MANI he wasn't too happy a few

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Speaker 3: Well, it's the same as how do they play it

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Speaker 1: I don't know. How does he handle it?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: I've said this elsewhere. You know, Gus always talks about

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Speaker 5: But the way it's shaped, it looks like it's you know,

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Speaker 1: It says a lot about the club where they're in

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Speaker 1: about Cleary v. Gus Cleary v Gus for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Well you know I helped Ivan with his book.

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Speaker 4: That's out of the moment.

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Speaker 5: Feel free to go and buy ten thousand cops one

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Speaker 5: and that's right, yeah, good, good for not everything counts,

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Speaker 5: He goes, Gus hurt me, you know the way that

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Speaker 4: He was gusting in many ways.

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Speaker 5: I reckon the fact that Canterbury have built so much

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Speaker 2: But but that's right, did gusco get all those kids?

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Speaker 4: Did Gus find those kids and the help build.

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Speaker 5: That he set up the team there? But I mean

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Speaker 4: Of them, I think Ivan.

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Speaker 5: Ivan's too classy and too understated to say it, but

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Speaker 1: There's more to this game than just the players. Of course, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I love it. Clint Garthinson says time maybe running out

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Speaker 7: I think when you're in the seven Jersey there's always

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Speaker 7: you're losing. There's always going to be pressure and the

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Speaker 7: best way.

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Speaker 4: To deal with that is win.

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Speaker 7: If you're winning and you're winning well and playing well

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Speaker 7: it takes time and we don't have time in there

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Speaker 7: and you're going to get make things work pretty quickly. Look,

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Speaker 7: Locke's handled the whole situation great. He hasn't kicked stones,

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Speaker 7: And I think the one nine in a row in

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Speaker 7: play every week is out there to try and win.

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Speaker 7: And if you don't, your positions on the line.

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Speaker 1: Shave Flannagin won't budge on the halves Crawls.

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Speaker 3: What do you think I think this If Flanno was

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Speaker 3: Lockie was dropped. Was it seven games back. It was

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Speaker 3: I can't agree with Flanno's assumption that Kyle has done

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Speaker 3: you had to do it, because you look at that draw.

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Speaker 3: They're playing the Eels this week, and look who follows.

440
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,520
Speaker 3: You've got the Raiders, the Roosters, the Bulldogs, the Cowboys,

441
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,240
Speaker 3: the Raiders, the Sharks, the Warriors. So if you're going

442
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Speaker 3: with Cole Flanigan, now you hit your wagon to him

443
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Speaker 3: and you keep him to the end of the season,

444
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Speaker 3: because I reckon it would be weak to come in

445
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Speaker 3: a few games into that run and then give someone

446
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Speaker 3: else like ill As his chance and then say, well

447
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,440
Speaker 3: I told you so. So if this is their time,

448
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 3: and Flanno's also, he's gambling on his own job here

449
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 3: because what they finished eleventh last year, and you go

450
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Speaker 3: through that run and you don't win your share of games,

451
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Speaker 3: there's a good chance you're going to finish well down

452
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Speaker 3: the ladder. And what the one topic everyone will talk

453
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Speaker 3: about is the coach and his son.

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Speaker 1: What does it mean, if Funo doesn't finish above eleventh

455
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Speaker 1: this year, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't think there's no way that they'll move him on

457
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Speaker 5: at all. I think I think Sean Flanagan's a right

458
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 5: blake for the job, I really do. And I think

459
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Speaker 5: he needs more than just two years to improve the Dragons,

460
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Speaker 5: because they were coming from a pretty low base when

461
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 5: he took over the problem with Flannel is that he's

462
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Speaker 5: got a blind spot when it comes to his son,

463
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Speaker 5: you know. And I say that with the greatest respect

464
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Speaker 5: to to Shane and to Kyle, but and it's admirable

465
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Speaker 5: that he that he supports his son and that he

466
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 5: comes out swinging for him, but he surely he cannot

467
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 5: understand when he says, you know, Kyle's among our best

468
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Speaker 5: performers every week, that even if it's the case, and

469
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 5: even if he thinks that, just don't say it, because the.

470
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Speaker 4: Optics of it are terrible. And it only works.

471
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Speaker 5: The father son combination works if you're Ivan and Nathan Cleary.

472
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 5: And you saw with Ricky Stewart last week with Jed

473
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Speaker 5: just how reserved he was, how much.

474
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Speaker 4: That's right he should be there. It's a really tricky.

475
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Speaker 3: Better off and it would be better for Cole if

476
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Speaker 3: he said nothing, that's right because it doesn't do him

477
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Speaker 3: any favors. But but whether you tell me, can you

478
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Speaker 3: can you ignore the fact that it's not just a

479
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 3: Dragons fans. We sit here and talk about it too,

480
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 3: like it's it's an obvious point. They've got Daniel Ackertson

481
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 3: going there next year. They brought Lachlin to play seven

482
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Speaker 3: and he's gone back. He's done nothing wrong. They've won seven.

483
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 3: He's got tries, he's got huge triassists, he's not missing

484
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 3: tackles one points through a game. Like, he's doing everything

485
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 3: that he possibly could and.

486
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,959
Speaker 1: Do everything that I wanted him to do.

487
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 3: Yet Kyle is still keeping hold of the seven jersey.

488
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Speaker 2: If your reserve grades winning games away, they're doing your

489
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 2: first grades losing, there's got to be the ladder up.

490
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: It can be a slippery slide down, but there's got

491
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Speaker 2: to be a ladder up.

492
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Speaker 1: Well, the problem is he's got with these players is

493
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Speaker 1: if they go back and play out of their skin

494
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 1: and win games and do everything that they have coaches

495
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: to ask of them, and they don't get picked in

496
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 1: first round while the first grade team is losing, then

497
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: what do you what do you do? And I'm sure

498
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Speaker 1: all the players are probably thinking that and talking about

499
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: that amongst themselves. It's like what else can we do?

500
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Speaker 1: You know that's and then that can be toxic inn

501
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 1: a group. That's all I'm saying. That's from experience.

502
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 3: There's an old saying that you can't pull your socks

503
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,719
Speaker 3: up if you're not wearing any But with Flannel playing

504
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 3: his son there, like's if it's not the most important

505
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 3: position on the field, it's one of the two most

506
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 3: important positions on the field, and it's not working for

507
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: the Dragons if they slide down the ladder further this year.

508
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 3: It's a problem that they've got to address, and it

509
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 3: doesn't seem like they have gone about addressing.

510
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Speaker 5: There was a real reluctance from Saint George's directors to

511
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 5: get Shane Flanagan to the club in the first place,

512
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 5: because of this very situation that we're in that they're

513
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 5: in now about about the problem about whether how it

514
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 5: would work with Kyle coming to the club and it's

515
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 5: coming to fruition. But for me, as a long suffering

516
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 5: Dragons fan, it goes deeper than this, Like I don't

517
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 5: understand how one of the biggest a club with the

518
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 5: biggest nurseries in the competition and have been for decades.

519
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 5: Cannot unearth an organizing halfback. It's been a problem with

520
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 5: that club for decades. And I know they've got King

521
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 5: coming through, and I've got you know a few other

522
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 5: young players coming through, Kate Reid, but before that it

523
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 5: was going to be a moan and and Bud Sullivan.

524
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 5: So the Dragons just have this inability to keep halves.

525
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Speaker 1: Or keep players.

526
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Speaker 4: We'll keeps.

527
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Speaker 5: In particularly but in particular, in particular decent quality halves

528
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Speaker 5: when they have a nursery like the one that they do.

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Speaker 1: Breaking news to this afternoon, Sloan is free to leave,

530
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: so coach Flanagan has given him the opportunity to negotiate

531
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Speaker 1: with other clubs. Thoughts on this sad.

532
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Speaker 5: You know, he had so much potential and when he's on,

533
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 5: he's on, But you know there's parts of his game

534
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 5: that aren't then aren't up to NRL standard at the moment.

535
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a tough one. Look watching that game against

536
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Speaker 3: the Sharks two weeks back, it was obvious that he

537
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Speaker 3: wasn't going to keep his spot going forward.

538
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Speaker 4: You came up with multiple errors.

539
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 3: Is you know that collision with Gutho under the high

540
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Speaker 3: ball that that day, it was just kind of like

541
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Speaker 3: it was coming.

542
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Speaker 1: He's a player that you look at him and it's

543
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: sort of similar to Nico Hins in a way that

544
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: you can tell that he's just struggling with confidence and belief.

545
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: But when he's on, he's got so much talent, Like

546
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Speaker 1: the kid could be a freak. Like in open space

547
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: he's beautiful watch and even under the high ball in

548
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: good field position he struggles with it coming out of

549
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: his own end. His carries have got to be better.

550
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Speaker 1: But there's just so much to this kid that could

551
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Speaker 1: be special. Seems like he's getting in his own way.

552
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Speaker 5: And earlier in the year he looked like he was

553
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 5: enjoying not having the pressure of fullback but blood playing

554
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,239
Speaker 5: on the wing. It just seemed like it was, you know,

555
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 5: it was set up for him to take over from

556
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Speaker 5: Guthe when the time came, but it hasn't.

557
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Speaker 4: Worked the other way all right.

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Speaker 1: Sticking around journals, Sam Constance is back. The Young Gun

559
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Speaker 1: returns for the Aussie tour of the West Indies. The

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Speaker 1: first Test begins tomorrow night from Barbados, with every ball

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Speaker 1: live on ESPN,