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Speaker 1: The government has passed legislation through parliament allowing EA scooters

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Speaker 1: to be used on public roads and paths in the state.

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Speaker 1: This means the privately owned EA scooters that have been

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Speaker 1: there with the ones you can hire, the orange ones

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Speaker 1: and purple ones for the last few years, have have

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Speaker 1: now been given the green lights. So those private ones

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Speaker 1: were technically illegal up till now and they can now

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Speaker 1: legally be ridden on roads and other public areas. Transport

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Speaker 1: Minister Tom kutz Andtnis oversaw the passage of the legislation

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Speaker 1: through parliament. He joins me now, Minister, good morning, thanks

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Speaker 1: for your.

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Speaker 2: Time anytime message. Good morning to you all your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, the issue for many people, particularly listeners to five

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Speaker 1: double A, a lot of older people concerned about their

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Speaker 1: safety on footpaths. What does it mean having these scooters

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Speaker 1: and some can go quite fast as we know.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, we're treating in the same way we

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Speaker 2: treat bicycles. We'll expect, we expect most people to use

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Speaker 2: these things on the road. Will they'll be severely limited

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Speaker 2: to their speed on footpaths. The merit points will apply

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Speaker 2: if you've caught speeding. There will be penalties for people

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Speaker 2: who are intoxicated on these police can breastest you if

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Speaker 2: you're on an eastcooter, and if you're over the limit,

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Speaker 2: you can either lose your license or have very very

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Speaker 2: large penalties imposed. So there'll be a ten kilometer speed

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Speaker 2: limit on footpaths and a twenty five kilometer speed limit

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Speaker 1: Okay, twenty five. Now some are rated and you can

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Speaker 1: buy them. They're faster than that, so well will they

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Speaker 1: have to be sold to that level twenty five k's.

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Speaker 2: Look, you can buy a motor bicle today that had

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Speaker 2: continue speed of two hundred plometers per hour. But you

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Speaker 2: know the speed limits, say sixty and fifty and one

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Speaker 2: hundred or one hundred and ten. You've got to abide

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Speaker 2: by it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so stick to it. Who's going to

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Speaker 1: be monitoring though? We're not going to have police with

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Speaker 1: speed guns on footpaths, are we No?

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Speaker 2: But I mean you can say the same thing about bicycles.

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Speaker 2: Who monitors bicycles? Well, police monitor bicycle It's the same

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Speaker 2: way they enforce all of our wars. And there's going

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Speaker 2: to be some personal responsibility here. And I've said this

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Speaker 2: a number of occasions on this which can upset people

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Speaker 2: is that. I don't want this to be a nanny

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Speaker 2: state thing where we regulate something through within an inch

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Speaker 2: of slights and no one else can use it. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: the common sense has to apply here. These are devices

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Speaker 2: that people want to use. They're good nobility, they decongest

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Speaker 2: our roads, they get people to from where they want

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Speaker 2: to go, they are a good form of transport. We

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Speaker 2: should be allowing people to own them and use them.

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Speaker 2: But we need common sense as well and laws to apply.

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Speaker 2: So what we're going to do is make sure that

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Speaker 2: there are spear limits on footpaths that will be enforced.

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Speaker 2: We make sure that people are doing this are properly

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Speaker 2: aware of their rights and responsibilities. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: we can't be so cautious that we don't allow anyone

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Speaker 2: to do anything. We'll get to the pool where we

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Speaker 2: start having the licensee to be a pedestrian. I think

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Speaker 2: we just need some common sense here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, licensed joggers running down the footpath.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So now there's going to be a review in

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Speaker 1: twelve months of the legislation. So what do you expect

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Speaker 1: that'll look at it? Will injuries be considered in that

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Speaker 1: is that the nature of it is that what its

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Speaker 1: intent is to find out? Oh, I suppose how it works,

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Speaker 1: whether people have indeed been struck by scooters on footpaths.

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Speaker 2: You might remember I come to you a program the

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Speaker 2: opposition wanted to include to give everyone an insurance scheme

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Speaker 2: who might have been hit from an E scooter, to

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Speaker 2: make you part of the nominal defendant scheme. Now, the

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Speaker 2: normal defendance scheme is paid for out of your motor

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Speaker 2: registration and I wasn't prepared to accept that because I

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Speaker 2: thought they could put up people's registration costs unnecessarily on

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Speaker 2: a class people who don't have motor vehicles. So you'd

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Speaker 2: be making people who drive cars and register their vehicles

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Speaker 2: on the scooters. So what would agree to do to

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Speaker 2: pass the legislations. I would do a review in forlvement

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Speaker 2: to see whether or not what the injury rate is,

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Speaker 2: what the cost would be on facing the normal defendant

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Speaker 2: scheme on East scooters, and to see whether or not

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Speaker 2: it be viable. And I'd agree to that review in

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Speaker 2: forlve months, just to see where we're at, and of

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Speaker 2: course just to look out the legislation and their regulation.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's important that we do the review.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be new, although I'll do what's

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Speaker 2: that point out? People have been renting eas scooters now

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Speaker 2: for about four years, so we roughly know how they're inforact.

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Speaker 2: Although those east scooters that are on the roads that

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Speaker 2: go a lot faster than ten kilometers thre hour on footpaths,

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Speaker 2: so there'll be some new rules about them, but that's

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Speaker 2: not what the review is about, to see what the

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Speaker 2: injury rate is, how it's working. But we could do

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Speaker 2: to improve the scheme.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is this the green light for scooter companies like

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Speaker 1: the Lines of the World and Beam and Neuron and

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Speaker 1: all the others to then park scooters around city streets.

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Speaker 1: Will they need council permission to do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, okay, they'll need council permission. The councilors now

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Speaker 2: if they want, they can ban the higher of Ease

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Speaker 2: scooters if they choose, or they can encourage it. Now

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Speaker 2: it's a matter for local communities. What I've done is

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Speaker 2: legalized the personal ownership of the scooters and allow people

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Speaker 2: who own their own mobility device to use them. So

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Speaker 2: this is a confusing part of the scheme. What the

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Speaker 2: previous government did was only allow the rental of Beam

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Speaker 2: and these other scooters that didn't allow personal ownership. What

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Speaker 2: I've done is say, right, let's let people own their own.

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Speaker 2: Because we had this ridiculous situation where you go into

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Speaker 2: JP High Fire or David Jones whoever it might be

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Speaker 2: good guys and buy any scooter, but he couldn't legally

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Speaker 2: write it on their own, so it was silly. So

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Speaker 2: we've legalized the ownership of these scooters. Now that people

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Speaker 2: can own them, counselors can make their own decisions about

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Speaker 2: whether they want to keep them or not. Now you

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Speaker 2: might know that Melbourne councilor I'm moving to get rid

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Speaker 2: of EA scooters from their roads or for higher Now

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Speaker 2: if Avan City Council or Only Council or West Corene

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Speaker 2: Council decide they don't want these scooters to hire in

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Speaker 2: their communities, they can ban it. But they can't do

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Speaker 2: is stop people from owning their.

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Speaker 1: Own and using them, okay, in the same way as

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Speaker 1: a bike. Somebody asking good question, can they be taken

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Speaker 1: these goods on public transport? I suppose you always could

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you could.

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Speaker 1: Does that need checking?

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Speaker 2: I imagine, look and if look, if the current regulations

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Speaker 2: don't allow it, I will allow it makes sense. We'll

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Speaker 2: let people take bicycles, will let will let people take

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Speaker 2: other mobility devices, but as long as they're not too

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Speaker 2: large and too other compasses. A lot of these things

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Speaker 2: can be quite small. And there are unicycles that are electric,

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Speaker 2: there are electric skateboards. I mean, I also point out

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Speaker 2: to her, listen, people be using electric bikes now for

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Speaker 2: a number of times. It can get quite high speeds.

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Speaker 2: They're unregistered, they're not part of the normal defender scheme,

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Speaker 2: and they've been operating for a long time now. So

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Speaker 2: I think we just need a bit of common sense

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Speaker 2: and just sort of let's see how it works before

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Speaker 2: we rush to catastrophize. You know how bad this is

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Speaker 2: going to be. And if it is bad, and if

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Speaker 2: it is terrible it is causing mayhem on our footpaths,

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Speaker 2: which I don't think it will, well, then will act.

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Speaker 2: But I think this is an idea. His time has come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, have nearly been hit numerous times by

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Speaker 1: scooter's bikes on footpath Somebody says, Look, and as a

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Speaker 1: regular user of any scooter, I think if you're sensible

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Speaker 1: and I reckon ninety percent of people are yes, there'd

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Speaker 1: be a percentage you wouldn't care and want to weave

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Speaker 1: between people at speed and all the rest that would

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Speaker 1: happen in any I mean, you get that on the

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Speaker 1: roads for goodness sake with cars. So I think most

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Speaker 1: people are sensible. Jane though, really good question. Who pays

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Speaker 1: if someone is badly injured once this legislation is introduced

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Speaker 1: with no insurance?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd say to Jane, the same person who would

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Speaker 2: pay for cyclist the individual?

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Speaker 1: But what if they don't stop? Now, Minister, that's that's

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Speaker 1: the issue, and that's that's the concern in the back

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Speaker 1: of people's minds. Str exactly exactly right. So why don't

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Speaker 1: we have some sort of system in place to identify them?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think we need to go down the

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Speaker 2: path of registering bicycles and eascooters. I just think we

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Speaker 2: are getting to the point where we want to make

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Speaker 2: a world where there are guarantees on every aspect of

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Speaker 2: our of our of our conduct, whether it's walking on

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Speaker 2: a full path, whether it's driving on a road, there's

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Speaker 2: got to be some sort of liberty here where we

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Speaker 2: allow people to go about their daily business without putting

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Speaker 2: too much government regulation in front of them, now, you know,

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Speaker 2: And that's that's coming from a labor politician. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to see motorists have to pay higher registration FEDS

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Speaker 2: to make everyone insured as a normal of defense. That

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Speaker 2: that's not fair. It's not fair on murtorists. I don't

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Speaker 2: if people were, well, if that was happening now mash here,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if if people were having accidents with e

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Speaker 2: take care of their insurance, well, we'd be hearing about

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Speaker 2: that on talkback. We'd be hearing about that on our TV.

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Speaker 2: It would be it would be current news. It's not happening.

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Speaker 2: People are stopping and giving assistance, and the injury rate

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Speaker 2: is not as bad as we think it is. But

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Speaker 2: you can't catastrophize these things in your own mind when

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Speaker 2: you hear about them, because you do see some of

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Speaker 2: these people writing these these these rentals at quite high

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Speaker 2: speeds dangerously. But I do say to those people, police

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Speaker 2: can breastest you on an e scooter now, And if

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Speaker 2: you're on an e scooter now you read on a

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Speaker 2: Saturday night in high mystery and you're over the limit,

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Speaker 2: that the same fines that apply for driving a car

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Speaker 2: under the influence apply for someone on an escooter. Okay,

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Speaker 2: and a bicycle for that matter.

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Speaker 1: Good question, then, I imagine using a mobile would be

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Speaker 1: the same. Somebody asking, can you be fined on an

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Speaker 1: ES scooter using a mobile? I'll tell you what if

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Speaker 1: you're holding it?

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Speaker 2: An excellent question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the answer would be yes. I imagine I

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Speaker 1: don't know to.

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Speaker 2: Go back and check and get back to you. That's

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Speaker 2: very good question, all right.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you if you're riding an es scooter

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Speaker 1: with one hand, you won't be on it for very long.

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Speaker 1: You need both to keep it stable. So holding a

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Speaker 1: mobile as well, you'd be in all sorts, in all

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Speaker 1: sorts of strife. There got a lot of comments, case

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Speaker 1: saying too late if an elderly person has broken their hip.

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Speaker 1: Another person, Jeanette saying there's not enough police to monitor

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Speaker 1: the shocking driving on our roads now, let alone e

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Speaker 1: scooters and bikes on footpaths. David says, when you buy

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Speaker 1: a scooter or electric push bike or a bike, why

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Speaker 1: not pay a one off insurance premium. I don't know

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Speaker 2: People can ensure these things through their home and constance

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Speaker 2: insurance and they can get insurance. A lot of cyclists,

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Speaker 2: a lot of cycling associations offer insurance for cyclists who

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Speaker 2: are professional writers who ride every day to make sure

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Speaker 2: that that they hit anyone they're cupboard. I also remind

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Speaker 2: to increase people's registration costs. Now, what would that be?

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Speaker 2: We'll find out over the next period or so, and

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Speaker 1: Somebody Jane asking what about those one whelled thingies whatever

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Speaker 1: they are unicycles, you've seen them. They're motorized, battery operated.

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Speaker 1: I imagine hand control regulates the speed. She says, there's

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Speaker 1: an idiot around northeast rides one of these in and

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Speaker 1: do they have to wear helmets because they don't?

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Speaker 2: Well one currently that's illegal. Riding a personal mobility device

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Speaker 2: anywhere that's not one of the rental ones is illegal.

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Speaker 2: So that person is breaking the law full stop. If

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Speaker 2: I'm not wearing a helmet, they're breaking the law again.

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Speaker 2: And if you're going in and out of traffic and

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Speaker 2: they're not following the robles, that's another law that they've broken.

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Speaker 2: But simply by being on that unicycle now it is illegal.

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Speaker 2: Once this law comes into effect, will be legal, and

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Speaker 2: there will be rules that they would have to follow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when does it come into effect?

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Speaker 2: I want it to be in effect by first quarter

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Speaker 2: next year. We're going to get through the regulations and

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Speaker 2: cycling groups, road uses councils about what best to do this,

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Speaker 2: with police as well, make all the regulations in place.

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Speaker 2: So I'm hoping by the end of the first quarter

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Speaker 2: of next.

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Speaker 1: Year, by the first of April then yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Tom Kutzantoni's Transport Minister on this East Google legislation,