WEBVTT - Outsourcing is a Working Mum's Best Friend

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, and welcome back to Bounce Forward with me, tiffl.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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<v Speaker 1>in which I'm recording this podcast, the Wardari people of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cooler Nation. I pay my respects to elders past

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<v Speaker 1>and present. Today I have Genevieve Day joining me on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast. She founded Day Management, one of Australia's first

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<v Speaker 1>digital talent management agencies, in twenty fifteen. She has been

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<v Speaker 1>recognized for her work by the Australian Financial Review Fast

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and she was named in Forbes thirty Under thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty four, her debut book The Juggle launched,

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing well known founders and business minds on how they

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<v Speaker 1>mix career and family, while sharing her own story as

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<v Speaker 1>both founder and mother. Jen Welcome to Bounce Forward. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so excited to have you here. Now you're the author

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<v Speaker 1>of The Juggle. I want to ask you, what does

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<v Speaker 1>your life look like juggling your career and your gorgeous

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<v Speaker 1>little son Henry.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, oh my.

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, it is such a juggle, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>something that every working mum and even stay home mum

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<v Speaker 3>can relate to. Basically, at the moment, my son is

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen months old, so is at a beautiful stage where

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<v Speaker 3>he can't communicate, but he loves to try and be independent,

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<v Speaker 3>So that in itself is a fun day to day challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>And I run an.

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<v Speaker 3>Influencer marketing and talent agency call Day Management as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and we have a team of eight employees. We look

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<v Speaker 3>after over fifty talents, so quite a big business in

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<v Speaker 3>that capacity. So we try and you know, smash everything

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<v Speaker 3>into each day and definitely don't do it perfectly.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, how do you like, what's your childcare situation? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you juggle that? For example? Just the practical

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<v Speaker 2>side of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And I love talking about this because I think

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<v Speaker 3>from the outside, everyone's day looks so perfect and like,

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<v Speaker 3>how are they doing it all? I have him in

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<v Speaker 3>daycare two days a week, and then we have family

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<v Speaker 3>support two days a week as well, which we're so

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<v Speaker 3>lucky and privileged to have.

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<v Speaker 2>Our parents willing and able to look out.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we on the Fridays, my partner and I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of do a split work day in a Henry Day.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically I have.

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<v Speaker 3>Four days a week of like full support and then

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<v Speaker 3>get three days of beautiful Henry time.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a juggle itself, just juggling the schedule of

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<v Speaker 1>childcare and cares around work, juggling. So there's a juggle

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<v Speaker 1>on top of a juggle, isn't there. It's just so difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to your pregnancy. What was

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<v Speaker 1>your pregnancy like, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>We started trying, I guess a couple of months after

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<v Speaker 3>we got married. We always knew wanted to have a family,

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<v Speaker 3>but I've been running this business now for nine and

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<v Speaker 3>a half years, so we knew that it wasn't as

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<v Speaker 3>simple as like putting in your request from.

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<v Speaker 2>That leave and having a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>So we kind of approach it quite pragmatically, thinking, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>so if I'm going to be pregnant, out of the game, not,

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<v Speaker 3>as you know, able to do as many things because

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<v Speaker 3>I have a baby. So we actually employed a general

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<v Speaker 3>manager in the business and kind of tried to time

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<v Speaker 3>everything around the pregnancy, which you know is also really

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<v Speaker 3>hard to time when you're going to fall pregnant. But

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<v Speaker 3>during that process, we were kind of putting these steps

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<v Speaker 3>in place to have support and help with the business.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also just felt this like overwhelming fear that

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<v Speaker 3>this impending baby is going to get in the way

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<v Speaker 3>of all my career ambitions and everything I've been working

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<v Speaker 3>so hard for was going to you know, come to

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<v Speaker 3>a halt. So well, the pregnancy itself was lucky to

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<v Speaker 3>be straightforward and not too many complications. I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>felt like I had this big ticking clock of the

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<v Speaker 3>nine months of like, I going to get everything done

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<v Speaker 3>before this baby gets here, because who knows what's going

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<v Speaker 3>to happen with my career.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really hard, and I felt that myself. When

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<v Speaker 1>I was pregnant with my first Arnold. I was running

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<v Speaker 1>a online fitness business, and you know, I had staff

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<v Speaker 1>relying on me, and I thought and plus I do

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<v Speaker 1>all the fitness videos myself, and I had a big,

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<v Speaker 1>horrendous pregnancy, so I was like, oh, how am I

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<v Speaker 1>going to get back into work? And I remember sending

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<v Speaker 1>emails from the hospital after I had Arnold, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was working from the hospital bed. And I regret that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't do it with my second. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>take maternity leave?

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<v Speaker 3>It's so interesting that you say that you regret that

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<v Speaker 3>as well, because I was the same I even they

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<v Speaker 3>had the best laid plans and had all this like

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<v Speaker 3>extra hands on the business and support. We had some

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<v Speaker 3>things pop up with work while I was doing like

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<v Speaker 3>a contract negotiation, and I've given birth twelve hours beforehand,

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<v Speaker 3>and my birth was a little bit prickly. I actually

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<v Speaker 3>hemorrhaged and lost almost two leads of blood and like,

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<v Speaker 3>so I wasn't in the best situation to be emailing

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<v Speaker 3>about like a contract dispute.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was kind of my reality.

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<v Speaker 3>And a lot of people that I interview in the

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<v Speaker 3>books are the exact same thing that you just said,

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<v Speaker 3>that they took no time off. They went straight back

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<v Speaker 3>into it out of a fear of necessity or that

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<v Speaker 3>scarcity mindset that you know, other people will get opportunities

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<v Speaker 3>over us if we don't say yes to everything and

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<v Speaker 3>be available. And I think that's something that I also

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<v Speaker 3>really regret, and I would definitely do that differently.

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<v Speaker 1>What have you learnt from being a working mum now? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the biggest lessons and takeaways?

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a great question.

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<v Speaker 3>I think perspective is such a beautiful gift, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>The second that you have kids, you're like, Okay, life

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<v Speaker 3>isn't just about me, And that's brilliant. And I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like pre kids, you're able to be quite selfish and

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<v Speaker 3>you just think about your own schedule and what you

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<v Speaker 3>want to do, and now it's not about us at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about the baby.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of been like a beautiful shifted perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially in my work life. Things obviously are important, but

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<v Speaker 3>you walk in the front door and you have to

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<v Speaker 3>leave that all behind because I'm like, I can't be

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<v Speaker 3>stressing about this. I have a fourteen month old demanding

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<v Speaker 3>five week bix right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, can you switch off?

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<v Speaker 2>I struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>I only struggle, like I've got work group WhatsApps and

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<v Speaker 1>they go off constantly twenty four to seven, because on line,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, never sleeps, yeah, and I find myself

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<v Speaker 1>like checking it in between, like getting a meal, getting

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<v Speaker 1>in a snack, like putting her down. My youngest is too.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, can you switch off?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you struggle with that as well? One hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so tricky being in this online world because you're

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<v Speaker 3>always available, and you know, campaigns go live at eight

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<v Speaker 3>pm at night and someone's on set filming and you

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<v Speaker 3>have to be contactable. So I'm actually really bad at

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<v Speaker 3>that too, and I think I catch myself in those

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<v Speaker 3>moments where I'm like playing with the Fisher Price farm,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm checking my phone at the same time, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, that's the cow, says Mood. I'm actually

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<v Speaker 3>emailing about something at the side. So I would like

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<v Speaker 3>to be a more present parent with that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's really really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any tips for like balancing that side

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<v Speaker 1>of things work and your beautiful child? Like, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you do that? Do you put your phone in a

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<v Speaker 1>drawer and just go, I'm not looking at it, you

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<v Speaker 1>know an hours?

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<v Speaker 2>I should do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I should really throw my phone out

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<v Speaker 3>of the windows sometimes. But yeah, I think I almost

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<v Speaker 3>do the reverse where I try and run my personal

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<v Speaker 3>life like a business itself, and that in a way

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<v Speaker 3>is allowing me more balance because I get to then

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<v Speaker 3>structure my weeks and even if it's personal time like

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<v Speaker 3>booking in something for me like a polates class, or

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<v Speaker 3>booking in time with my husband and everything like that,

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<v Speaker 3>if it's scheduled the way that my work life is scheduled,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Stick to it. And then that way I can kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of get that like three sixty view of the week

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<v Speaker 3>and think is this balance or have I chipped too

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<v Speaker 3>far to work? Or have I not done enough to

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<v Speaker 3>tick off my career goals this week? So it's definitely

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<v Speaker 3>not perfect. But I find if you run your home

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<v Speaker 3>life like a business and you know, outsource what you

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<v Speaker 3>can and see where you can put your energy in

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<v Speaker 3>the most valuable places, that's really helped me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really good advice. That's really good advice. Yeah, outsourcing,

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<v Speaker 1>big fan of it. What what are some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you've outsourced that you think, Oh, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's a bit weird. Like I outsource indoor plants, Like

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<v Speaker 1>got a plant lady to come over and love that

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<v Speaker 1>put plants all around my house. So I just failed

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<v Speaker 1>it like more oxygen and just it looked beautiful. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably the weirdest thing I've ever outsourced.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what about you? What what do your outsource?

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely, food for us was a big one, especially starting

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<v Speaker 3>solid and I was reading all the books and I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to be like I really wanted to be that

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<v Speaker 3>mum who was doing the organic bone broth for seven

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<v Speaker 3>hours on the stovetop, but I was like, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have the time talk to me about it. Yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I love it and I love all like the

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<v Speaker 2>science behind it.

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<v Speaker 3>So we just bought like the La Puree packs so

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<v Speaker 3>they have all that in there, and it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>And so things like that where I can make life

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<v Speaker 3>easier but not feel guilty that I'm like shortcutting you know,

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<v Speaker 3>nutrition and anything else like that too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's massive.

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<v Speaker 3>And then also we got a cleaner and like that's

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<v Speaker 3>a luxury again and a privilege.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, I don't have time at the moment

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<v Speaker 2>to be scrubbing toilets if I have as a waste

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<v Speaker 2>of your energy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I know everyone can do that, but we're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like, where can we budget and like cut

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<v Speaker 3>and trim to allow that expenditure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, to spend more time as a family in quality time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that. I love that. So when my

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<v Speaker 1>husband and I when I got pregnant the second time,

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<v Speaker 1>I looked back at like my previous mistakes of like

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<v Speaker 1>not taking any time off and just I rushed back

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<v Speaker 1>to exercise.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a few injuries and blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I said to my husband, ed,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to do like a mental wellness plan going

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<v Speaker 1>into the next pregnancy, and we're going to know exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how to prepare for life with a baby,

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<v Speaker 1>what support we need to give each other, what support

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<v Speaker 1>we need to outsource, like all that, And I listed

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<v Speaker 1>everything and then I circulated it to grandparents and friends

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone knew when they were on pickup for Arnold,

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<v Speaker 1>my son is seven, You're at school, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a bit of a roster.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what things did you do you talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>Your partner about when you're preparing for the baby and

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<v Speaker 1>your career, and you know what sort of conversations did

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<v Speaker 1>you have with your partner.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think the luxury for us is that my

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<v Speaker 3>husband also works in the business now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so it is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so great because it may we're on the

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<v Speaker 3>same page and like building to the same goals. Whether

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<v Speaker 3>previously it's like trying to build two big careers at once,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's like a wrestle then, isn't it. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I need you home at this time, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 3>but I've got a big meeting as well. So that

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<v Speaker 3>was a really tricky thing before he joined the business

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<v Speaker 3>about two years ago. But we had a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>conversations about rest and about time off, and I stupidly

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<v Speaker 3>worked until I was thirty nine weeks pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also like, I just looked so ridiculous. It's

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<v Speaker 3>quite comical looking back. And it's funny because I got

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<v Speaker 3>this phone call in my pregnancy is saying do you

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<v Speaker 3>want to come and host this industry TV show? And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, dream opportunity, Like, of course I'd

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<v Speaker 3>love to do that. They said, great with film in September,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, oh, my due date is September ten,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, I'll do it on the first of September.

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<v Speaker 3>So like I put myself in those situations where I was,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, saying to my husband, we have to rest,

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<v Speaker 3>we have to put time aside to rest, but then

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<v Speaker 3>telling other people, of course, I'll do this opportunity because

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<v Speaker 3>what if they never asked me again, They've lost my chance.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I really went against my own advice and

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<v Speaker 2>my own planning there, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I probably had about three days of like maternity leave

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<v Speaker 3>before the baby got here, which wasn't enough time. And

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<v Speaker 3>then similar to you, I kind of worked in the

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<v Speaker 3>hospital afterwards as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think we.

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<v Speaker 3>Tried to structure a couple like eight weeks of maternity

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<v Speaker 3>lea with the baby, and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was quite funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I said to my husband, like, I actually just can't

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<v Speaker 3>even talk about work. I need to just be completely

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<v Speaker 3>shut off from it. And that was the rule, because

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<v Speaker 3>I can't do things half half.

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<v Speaker 2>The baby bubble yes, and I really wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I'm just going to leave my chat with Jen

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<v Speaker 1>there and come back with part two. Thanks so much

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