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Speaker 1: We have an amazing aroma in the studio. I love

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Speaker 1: having this man here. We haven't seen him for ages.

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Speaker 1: He's got a new single out, Poison Blood. This is

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Speaker 1: it right here. What a voice. It's the magnificent Darren.

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Speaker 2: It's an iconic voice. Yeah, I love that voice.

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Speaker 1: How as you've got older your voice, conserving your voice.

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Speaker 3: How do you go?

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Speaker 1: Do you have to look after it more?

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Speaker 3: Doan god so much? I asked this question to Annie

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Speaker 3: Lennox once, like years ago, because I was so insecure

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Speaker 3: about preserving it, and even she said the same way

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Speaker 3: I did. She was like, oh my god, Yes, of

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Speaker 3: course every singer does. It's a life of being a monk. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: a lot of times I don't speak when I'm working.

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Speaker 3: In fact, do you mind if I don't speak? It's

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Speaker 3: just not.

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Speaker 2: Right down your answers and Fitzy will just read.

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Speaker 3: The lots of water. I steam like I steamed my

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Speaker 3: voice before I came here, Like I have to inhale steam. No,

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Speaker 3: for real, real, I have toifie at home unifiers, I

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Speaker 1: You just brought up Any Lennox and this is Darren

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Speaker 1: haes your life, I mean peak nineties, right, samas Arden

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Speaker 1: number one?

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Speaker 3: Can you tell? Can you please?

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Speaker 1: I love hearing these stories when you're at a party

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Speaker 1: and you met someone and you just went, oh, my god,

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Speaker 1: how my life has changed so much? When you talk

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Speaker 1: about Annie Lennox, who's such a legend in the industry,

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Speaker 3: I think the most incredible moment I ever had was

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Speaker 3: meeting Madonna, because I was I've always been such a

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Speaker 3: huge fan, and I had all these opportunities to meet her,

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Speaker 3: and I was always like, no, no, no, even so

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Speaker 3: far as I guess I can say this now because

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Speaker 3: I've been married for seventeen years. I went on a

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Speaker 3: few dates with her brother, right, and what was his name? Christopher,

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Speaker 3: Christopherstopher Chacconi.

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Speaker 1: We never really saw much of Kristopher.

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Speaker 3: Not until he wrote a look about her and how

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Speaker 2: How did you meet him?

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Speaker 3: I met him. I was set up on a date

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Speaker 3: with him through one of Madonna's friends. And also I

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Speaker 3: knew Alec Kashishian who wrote that who did that film

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Speaker 3: in bed with Madonna? And I was obsessed with Alec,

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Speaker 3: and I guess I kind of dated Alec for a

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Speaker 3: important for me to let them know, like, no, I'm

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Speaker 3: I met my husband, and I had sort of both

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Speaker 3: of those gentlemen, well not Christopher. Christopher and I just

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Speaker 3: didn't gel, but Alec and I had a really special connection,

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Speaker 3: And then one day I ended up invited to a

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Speaker 3: party by a mutual friend of Madonna's and mine, and

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Speaker 3: I had no idea that she was going to be there.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to meet an ex when you're fat.

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Speaker 3: And Alex was there, Alec, she was there, and I

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Speaker 3: I'm terrible with celebrities, right, And I walk into the

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Speaker 3: And someone says down you know Madonna? And I go yeah, huh.

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Speaker 3: And she was so amazing. She was like, I know

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Speaker 3: Here's what happened. The head of Sony Music heard that

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Speaker 3: I did Ray of Light in my soundcheck and he

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Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, you came to the show and

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Speaker 2: Did she know that you had had relations with her brothers?

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Speaker 1: And your husband was there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, gorgeous creatureho's talking to you today? Who, obviously, as

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Speaker 2: What a weird day horrible.

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Speaker 3: So we at home and why would you leave? Madonna

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Speaker 3: of that stuff. I love Alec, but I haven't spoken

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Speaker 1: In beds with Darren, think about doing that.

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Speaker 2: One great docco Well, that's a book.

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Speaker 3: I could write that book.

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Speaker 2: Can we go back to the start, right, Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: I've always been fascinated by this story and I think

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Speaker 2: And I have always been so impressed, and I always

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Speaker 2: do and where you wanted to be at thirteen. That's extrawdinary.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the most important question is what

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Speaker 3: Joke they were all the softcore porn ones that I

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Speaker 3: it was really funny back then. I mean Titanic was

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Speaker 1: No basicly we were saying basic instinct and your parents,

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Speaker 2: So how did you know so early on? Did you

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Speaker 3: Okay, so let's segue into something kind of dark and poisoned.

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Speaker 3: Blood's a little bit like because it's about depression and stuff.

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Speaker 3: So are you familiar with the psychological behavior of dissociation?

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Speaker 3: So basically it's the way the human mind can look

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Speaker 2: So, did you know you were gay when you married

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Speaker 3: To all know, and this is so baffling to people,

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Speaker 3: and all of your society says that's wrong. I have

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Speaker 3: There, you wouldn't have even known what she was. I

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Speaker 1: But what an amazing thing for her to do and

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Speaker 2: That's fair.

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Speaker 3: With him, Aronada. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I didn't

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Speaker 2: Look good on you for how far you've come.

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Speaker 1: Man, it's amazing. Your career is unbelievable because it was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they both sold exactly the same amount, which

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Speaker 1: You ended up selling it was it twenty five millions

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That you could walk up to any person on the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they wouldn't know what I look like, which is hilarious.

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Speaker 3: That is where we at. No, it's great, it's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: You're against and I feel like you've been practicing with

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