WEBVTT - The Media Show | 4 April 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:06.240 This is the Media Show with Jack Outing, Hello and 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.000 welcome to the Media Show. Tonight, we discuss a scandal 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.640 engulfing a famous nine journalist. We'll get into the media's 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.479 reaction to the Trump tariffs, and we sit down with 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:20.280 skynews dot com dot au media watchdog columns Jared Henderson, 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.160 who will unpack the left wing dominance of guests on 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.960 one of the ABC's most important programs. But first, the 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.000 campaign is in full swing and sometimes it is the 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.440 most trivial of moments which are the most telling. 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:34.360 Photos with everyone. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:48.080 Okay, it was an awkward moment, but not one any 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.880 reasonable onlooker would be grudge Alban Easy. We've all tripped before, 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.280 and although it was awkward that this moment was captured 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.560 on camera, it wasn't really a big deal. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:58.160 That's why the Prime. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.200 Minister's response to the fall at an Aba radio interview 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:02.360 was simply bizarre. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.240 Prime Minister, we saw that you fell from the stage 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.080 and says not this afternoon, Are you okay? 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:12.040 No, I stepped back one step. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:13.800 I didn't fall off the stage. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.360 It looked like it looks like you went down. I'm 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.520 glad to hear you're okay, though, Thank you very much. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.120 Just one leg went down, but I was sweet. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.000 Now, it is true that he didn't completely fall off 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.360 the stage, and perhaps the ABC journalist muddled the question 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.600 a little bit by phrasing it that way, but to 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.120 suggest that it was just the PM only taking a 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.240 single backward step is just strange. We all saw it. 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.679 He definitely fell down and had to be helped up. 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:43.920 It isn't a big deal other than the fact that 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.679 the PM felt the need to downplay it and tell 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.600 you what you saw was not reality. Now, credibility will 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.280 be everything this election. Albanezi still has not apologized for 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.880 taking flawed economic modeling to the last election, which falsely 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.720 claimed that you would be paying less on your power bills. 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.920 If he cannot be honest about a simple and harmless fall, 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.840 then what confidence can anyone have when it comes to 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:12.240 the big issues. Well, joining me now to discuss as 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.440 the panel the Daily Telegraph columnist Tim Blair and Sky 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:20.560 News contributor Louise Roberts. Louise utterly bizarre interview on the 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.800 ABC and I felt a little bit sorry for the 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.400 presenter because the presenter seemed to just be reaching out 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.720 and saying, essentially, are you okay, we saw you fell, 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.600 and there was a denial of. 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:31.800 That very clear reality. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.280 I found a very strange thing to correct the ABC 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.600 host on as well, and we all know what we saw. 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.560 He clearly came off the stage, whether he tumbled or 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.040 took a step back, whatever he did. When you watched 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.000 that footage of the Prime Minister, you actually felt sorry 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.440 for him. I mean, because he was politely maneuvering his 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.040 way behind the two union reps for a photograph. He 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:51.440 didn't sort of say to them get out of the 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.080 way in any sort of imperious manner, and then he 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.880 slipped off the stage. So I think, why even bother 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.800 correcting it? But was he concerned that it was going 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.320 to become some kind of meme, that he'd be described 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.519 as the fall guy or the stumbling PM or something 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.440 like that. But arguably it's now become the story rather 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.239 than something he could have just brushed off and said, 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.399 I'm okay, it's fine. 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.080 There could have been a very genuine fear tim of 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.440 what the media might do with it. But to me 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:22.040 it looked like this this autocratic control over language. It's 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.320 not a fall down, it's a step back, And how 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:29.440 dare you phrase it in a manner that I don't like. 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:31.240 I want it to be called a step down. So 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:32.399 this is misinformation. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.080 Well, you know, who do we believe, the Prime Minister 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.720 or our own lying eyes. I mean, it would be 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.120 like me cam in right now that I'm not wearing 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.960 a crappy five dollars shirt that I bought it a 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:44.640 pederal station. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:46.120 It's a great everyone. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.680 The video is right there. But I think the obvious interview, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.440 as you pointed out, might have muffled or fundged the 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.800 question a little bit. But I think the fault is 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.760 more on the Prime Minister who came back with I 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.640 didn't fall off the stage, which was that the ABC 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:04.560 interviewer never said, simply said that you fell, and then 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.360 it was redefined. It was like in our old players 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.680 complaining after the video review has gone against them and 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.720 we can all see what's going on and just to 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.960 keep the sort of sports metaphor going on here. I 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:20.000 think the case here with the Prime Minister. If Richie 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.120 Benno was still with us, he'd say, I think the 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.159 viewers at home can make up their own minds about 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:24.679 that one. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.520 Yeah, we certainly can. It's a very easy one for 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.440 us all to agree on, but moving on, one of 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:34.160 Australia's most celebrated journalists has had his credibility shattered by 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.640 an audio recording which is morphed into a complex court case. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.400 Nine reporter Nick McKenzie was the author of reports which 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:42.919 accused veteran soldier Ben. 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:44.560 Roberts Smith of war crimes. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.400 Now Robert Smith ended up losing that defamation case, but 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.080 shocking audio recordings between McKenzie and a witness known as 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.760 Person seventeen have sent the matter back to court. My 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:57.800 colleague Shari Markson broke the story. 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.320 It's a verdict. The app gan veteran is appealing. But 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:06.279 now secret audio recordings have come to light which casts 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:10.479 doubt on the ethics and even the legal process of 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.960 part of the case built against him. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.280 No, I shouldn't tell you. I've just preached my doing that. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:17.680 Like this is where like this. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:18.320 Is from toples. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:25.159 An explosive recording has caught nine Star reporter Nick McKenzie 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:30.159 claiming he'd engaged in unethical behavior during their famous war 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:30.920 crime case. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.159 The statement about breaching his ethics relates to McKenzie claiming 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.240 that he should not have been disclosing certain information to 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.760 Person seventeen, But there was a more insidious revelation in 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:47.840 the recordings which could impact the fresh legal challenge breaking. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.320 Us on his legaltected you. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.359 If McKenzie is to be believed, he and his legal 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.800 team were fed privileged information by the ex wife of 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.159 Ben Roberts Smith and acted on that information during the 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:05.400 defamation case. Now, this is obviously a huge story. But 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.120 the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, you know, the 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.400 papers that carry that arrogant, self serving marketing label independent 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.960 always well, they took three days to cover the story 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.800 and in my opinion the coverage has been shallow and subpar, 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.800 Independent until inconvenient, it seems. And the ABC was even worse, 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.600 ignoring the story for even longer until they were dragged 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.840 into covering it when the matter returned to court. Now, 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.440 let's bring the panel back in. Now, LUI is quite 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:37.000 a complex story, and putting aside the actual defamation case, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.760 the revelation of the recordings, surely there is merit in 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.080 their existence. And it's a really bad look for the 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.360 nine newspapers because it involves one of their own. It's unflattering, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.520 really bad look of them to just sit down on 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:53.800 the story and lay dead. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.320 Yeah, when it's one of your own, you really can't 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.520 run away from the story. You do have to cover it. 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.560 You can be quite careful, hey do it, but you 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.800 can't move away and leave yourself open to favoritism or 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.120 perhaps not addressing. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.800 Any particularly your brain, your braining, the. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.800 Ethics independent always, et cetera, et cetera. I've found it 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.440 quite challenging to listen to Nick talking about on that 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.640 recording about his ethics, because he's obviously a very accomplished 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.000 reporter and investigator and won many many awards, so I 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:21.720 think this would be very hard for him to actually 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.960 say those words as well. And Ben Roberts Smith, of course, 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.280 was a massive scalp for him to get. I guess 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.640 in context, what does it mean now legally going forward, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.320 and what will it do to perhaps restore the tarnished 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.960 legacy of Ben Robert Smith as well, or if it 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.760 will do anything and sort of legion to people who 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.600 look at Nick Nick McKenzie's reporting and people who support 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:43.239 him as well. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.840 Yeah, well, Tim, his legal team is alleging that it 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:51.040 amounts to a miscarriage of justice. I mean, essentially, if 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.280 he is to be believed and the legal team is 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:57.160 acting on what was known to be privileged information. That's 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.760 not how cases should be should be run, and the 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:01.280 core will have a huge problem with that. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.240 But putting all that aside, just the. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.400 Issue of some of these organizations who were just so 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:13.480 loud and arrogant and bragging about this whole idea of independence. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.400 Whether you agree or disagree, it has to be a story. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:18.880 Surely everyone can agree on. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:24.480 That, absolutely. But I don't actually mind when media organizations 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.800 or outlets take a little bit of time to make 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.200 sure they've got the facts lined up. I don't mind 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.040 seeing the occasional scoop. Even at our own newspaper, we 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.080 will occasionally miss a scoop if we're checking things, which 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.480 is how things should go, and we see too often 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.640 people rushing in, getting it wrong and then having to recant. 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.800 But in this case, the information was all out there, 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:49.360 as you showed, Charlie had the recordings and three days 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.560 to reflect and consider and suck your thumb about what 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.959 this might mean. That's not especially in the Internet age. 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.920 I mean, for a daily newspaper cycle in the old days, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.800 three days was an eternity. In the era of the internet, 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.640 three days is it amounts to deliberate concealment. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.800 I think yeah, no, well said. 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.040 Moving on now to the battle of debates as Australia's 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.200 broadcasters all fight for a chance to host public events 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.360 with key political figures, and I'm proud to say that 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.719 Sky News was the first off the bat and our 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.080 audience will get to see Albanezy and Dutton lockheads. On 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:28.880 April eight, breaking news Sky News has secured the first 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:33.440 leader's debate, and a few days after Sky announced the debate, 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.360 the ABC revealed that it too would host a leader's 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.320 debate a week after ours. But in their excitement, the 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.520 ultimo obsessed and incompetent pr Flax of the ABC told 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:49.120 a small lie ABC to host first free to air 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:53.320 federal election leaders debate. The formal press release claimed. Now, 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.800 we don't know if the ABC's over zealous approach to 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.520 the truth was impacted by the fact that they have 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.440 not managed to secure aus single federal election leader's debate 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.920 in a studio since nineteen ninety two, but that isn't 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:11.200 true because Sky News has multiple free to wear distribution points, 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.800 including sky News Regional. We also will put the debate 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.640 on smart TVs for free and broadcast for free across 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:21.800 our radio products. But the people at the ABC who 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.040 wrote the press release obviously have never left their elite 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.280 enclaves to realize any of this. To them, if you 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.439 live in the regions, you basically do not exist. They 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.680 do not even tailor their press releases with you in mind, 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.319 and this could explain why their regional coverage is becoming. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:43.080 Just so sad. Louis. 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.320 It's this obsession, I think as well if you were 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.520 guess working in pr or marketing to say first, we 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.080 were first, we got it first, and quite clearly the 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.760 news had been out, they weren't first, and they're trying 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.520 to find these little qualifiers to come up for the 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.800 fact that they weren't because they actually have a very 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.040 shoddy record of being able to do this. And in 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.600 my opinion, it's one of the very fundamental functions that 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.600 the ABC should be providing as a debate, but they 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.400 can't get off their seats to actually organize it, and 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.640 they've really let people down by failing to do that 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:14.520 for so many years. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.520 Well, they've got the second debate. I don't think we 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.120 can deny that's the case, despite their claims, but as 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.679 a national broadcaster they should be more focusing on the 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.120 content of the debate and what the questions are they 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.400 should be put to the Prime Minister and the Opposition 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.280 leader as well ahead of the May three election, rather than, 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.800 as you say, claiming to be first. And I wonder 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:33.679 whether some of this too, is they're a little bit 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.760 stung by Peter Dutton saying he's going to look very 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.520 carefully at the funding that goes to the ABC. Yes, 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:41.760 I'm wondering if maybe if that is part of it. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:42.880 They're sort of trying to just. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.360 Let me see how independent they are when the issue 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:46.880 of their own funding comes up. 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:48.240 Tim Blair, let's bring you in. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.760 Was it just an innocent mistake by an overzealos PR 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.160 manager or was it a slight to those in the regents. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.920 It's a mistake, or it's incompetence. And when an organizations 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:04.400 getting one billion dollars thrown and did every year, I 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.000 think we can make up for our minds again about 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:10.160 that one. But I've got the distinct advantage here of 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:14.400 being in a Sky News regional area. And one of 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.319 the remarkable things about being in a free to wear 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.880 sky zone is that the people who used to watch 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.439 the ABC all the time, or at least had the 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.280 ABC on the as sort of a background thing all 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.640 the time. You always the TV was always in the ABC. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.520 They've now all crossed over to Sky. Sky is massively 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:34.320 popular in the regions. It's it's it has far less funding, obviously, 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.120 but it has far more impact and it's talking to 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.680 people in the regions. And I think that's another thing 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.160 the ABC has got to look at when it talks 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.400 to talks to people about its budget, is you know, 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.400 it's got bureaus everywhere. I live round the corner in 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:52.000 my town from an ABC bureau and no one's watching it. 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.040 No one cares that the ABC may as well be 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.280 invisible in the regions. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.400 Yeah, it's a really good point, and there'll be a 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.720 lot of people watching a show tonight from Sky News 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.280 Reagion all and basically the ABC is left to deficit 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.920 in the market for us to enter and that's great. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.280 It means we get to talk directly to people in 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.760 the regions, but it is an issue for them. Picking 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.840 up on what you were saying before though about the debate, 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.560 I'd be interested what you think the big issues are 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.080 that the ABC should and I guess what we should 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.679 at sky be asking the leaders. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:24.080 About cost living Number one, undoubtedly the pain people feel 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.560 every day filling their tanks up or cruising the supermarket ours, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.480 that is number one. That's what the ABC should be 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.040 really analyzing and saying, what are the issues. 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:33.199 What are the key things? 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.680 How if you either of you ends up in the lodge, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.480 what are you going to do to fix it? There's 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.960 no time for equivocating on this. We actually want to 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.319 know the policy detail at this point. Energy of course, 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.360 of what have we spoken about that, I mean that 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.520 kind of fugazi of the two hundred and odd dollar 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.200 reduction on the bill which never happened, of course, and 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.400 our borders, our national boarders. People are very concerned about 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.640 who's coming in and who's contributing to Australian society in 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.600 the sort of realm of the tariff obviously situation with 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.199 Trump too, so there's plenty for them to focus on. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.439 It's all hip hocket focused, I. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.839 Would argue definitely, and Tim, I think there is a 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.439 danger for the for the ABC to do a debate 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.079 from the perspective of someone from the inner city. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.960 Oh god, yeah, I mean it might be hilarious, but 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:18.920 it's not going to be hugely relevant to a lot 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.520 of the voters. I mean, you know, we've seen the 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.360 Prime Minister arguing that it didn't fall well. An ABC 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.120 in a city debate is more likely to be focused 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:32.000 on men having babies. There's all manner of sort of, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:36.440 you know, issues of little concern that become massive concerns 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.880 as soon as you start speaking of them within a 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.760 certain building in ultimo. So yeah, good luck with that ABC. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:43.680 It'll be fun to watch. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.360 Tim Blair, Luise Roberts, thank you so much for joining us. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.240 We're going to take a quick break. But when we 0:14:48.280 --> 0:15:00.640 return inside the media's reactions to the Trump tariffs, Welcome 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:05.160 back now. Donald Trump's Liberation Day has sent the market spirally, 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.520 and the chaos has been seized on by his media adversaries. 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:13.120 Our job right now as Americans is to do two things. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.360 Remember that we all have agency in this moment and 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.360 in this situation, and to trust our eyes and ears 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.720 and everything we are seeing and hearing. Twenty four hours 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.080 after Donald Trump intentionally detonated a bomb in the heart 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.160 of the most resilient economy on the planet, the sights 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.480 and sounds of his failure to protect the American people's 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:38.080 pocketbooks are everywhere. Tariffs on basically the entire world will 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:39.240 do what for the economy. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:44.720 It will send it into reverse. Let there be no 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.960 doubt about this. The President said today a whole load 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:53.960 of economic nonsense, things that we know simply will not happen. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.400 And how did the White House respond. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.320 To anyone on Wall Street this morning? I would say 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.160 trust in President Trump. This is a president who is 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.640 doubling down on his proven economic formula. From his first term, 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.880 we saw wages increase, we saw inflation come down, we 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.160 had a Trump energy boom, we had the largest tax 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.280 cuts in history. And that's exactly what the President intends 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.560 to do following his historic announcement yesterday for reciprocal tariffs. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.640 It's the Golden Aid rule for the Golden Age of 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.440 America and the United States of America is no longer 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.200 going to be cheated by foreign nations around the world. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.560 And as the President declared yesterday, this is indeed a 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.760 national emergency to discuss. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.120 I'm now joined by President of the Center of the 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:43.360 American Experiment, John Heinderach, and John, thank you so much 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.560 for joining me today. There is obviously a bit of 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.080 chaos happening in the markets, But I kind of want 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.080 to focus a little bit on the media reaction. Do 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.000 you think it's been proportional. Do you think it's perhaps 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.080 two short term or do you think it is an 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:03.240 appropriate severe lashing of the President for his approach with tariffs. 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:09.280 Well, their reaction to Trump's tariff announcement, both in the 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.480 financial markets and in the press, has been unanimous. I mean, 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:19.520 the Trump tariff policy is an incoherent mess, to be blunt, 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.680 and it's easy to see why the stock markets have tumbled, 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.760 and it's easy to see why the press has universally, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:30.800 almost universally condemned these tariffs. The only press outlet I've 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.080 seen that has really tried to put a positive spin 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.760 on Trump's announcement is Breitbart News. Other than that, I 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.320 think the reception has been universally negative, and frankly for 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.280 good reason. Trump calls these reciprocal tariffs, but they are not. 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.879 Australia is a perfect example. Australia doesn't have any tariffs 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.880 on goods coming in from the United States, and yet 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:57.639 President Trump has slapped tariffs on Australia for no apparent reason, 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:02.160 with no explanation. Soup really needs to straighten this out. 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.159 This is very different from his first term. In twenty seventeen, 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.080 he talked about tariffs. There was talking the news about 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.200 a trade war, you know, but the trade war never happened, 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.120 and Trump pretty rapidly renegotiated a couple of trade agreements 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.639 in a way that I think was good and life 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.960 went on. This time, he seems much more serious about 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:24.280 a protectionist agenda. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.640 And John, what is the strategy from the Trump camp here? 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:32.200 Are they planning on doing country by country renegotiations. We've 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:36.560 already seen something happening in Argentina, But are they planning 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.440 on going back through that list and recalibrating? 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.480 Is it even possible or. 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.280 Are we going to continue to see this very volatile 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.680 reaction that spreads globally. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.960 Well, I wish I knew. You know, he's imposed tariffs 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.040 on so many countries. You know, he can go through 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.560 one by one, I guess, but it's going to take 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.240 a while. I mean, I really don't know how he's 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:02.800 going to back himself out of this mess. Hopefully he's 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.320 going to go to major trading partners the EU for example, 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:12.639 the UK, Australia, some of the Latin American countries and 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.840 try to negotiate some more specific arrangements on a one 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:20.600 by one basis. Some of what he's doing here makes sense. 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.080 I mean, we really need to rid ourselves of this 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:30.199 manufacturing dependence on China, especially for strategic materials, minerals and 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.639 so on pharmaceuticals that we should not be relying on 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.800 China for. But he's not using a targeted approach. He's 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:39.840 using a shotgun approach. 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.200 Well, let's move on now because President Vice President sorry 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.400 JD Vance, had a message this week for all journalists 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.600 writing sympathetic coverage of an illegal immigrant who was sent 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.680 to the notorious Megaprison in El Salvador. The Associated Press 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:59.359 reports outrage grows of a Maryland man's mistaken deportation to 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:03.359 El Salva prison, and CNN reports. 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.560 People were sent to this El Salvador in prison who 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.000 shouldn't have been there to begin with, and in this case, 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:13.360 Immigration and Customs Enforcement is saying very bluntly that this 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:17.280 was due to an administrative error with this Salvadoran national 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.679 in particular. Now a little bit of background as to 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.240 who this is. His name is Guidmar Abdrigo Garcia. He's 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:27.359 a Salvadoran national and crossed into the US around twenty eleven. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.240 His first brush with law enforcement appears to be in 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.040 twenty nineteen, when he was detained along with a group 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.440 of men who were loitering around a Maryland home depot, 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:38.800 and the local police department deemed that he was a 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:43.119 member of MS thirteen, saying or arguing that it was 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.159 due to his attire and a confidential informant. 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:48.000 JD. 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:52.080 Vance responded to the criticism, arguing that the reasoning ultimately 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.680 does not matter. He was there illegally, so he was deported. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.679 Back in twenty nineteen, an immigration judge looked at all 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.679 the evidence, looked at all the data, and concluded that 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.680 this allegedly innocent person that we sent to El Salvador 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.760 was actually a member of an MS thirteen gang. He 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.840 had also committed some traffic violations. He had not shown 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.000