1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Five Double A Knights with Matthew Pantalas. There's a call 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: from One Nation ahead of the state election local government 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: must be reformed or abolished. And when you look around 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: today some of the stories the mayor's heading off to 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: Rio and the Campbelltown council wanting a what is it, 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: sixty million dollar new council building. It's going to pay 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: for that. So council's a lord of their own, it seems. 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Here is a councilor is a councilor down on the 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Victor Harbor Council at least for now. But he's running 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: as a One Nation candidate in the upcoming state election. 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Carlos quer Remember how a Carlos. 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: Listeners. 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: It's a worry, isn't it. We councils just seem to 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: be a total lord of themselves with an election once 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: every four years. 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, And I think people are really only 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: seeing the tippity iceberg when it comes to the financial 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: position of a lot of councils. I was only just 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: reading before the discos the report regarding local councils, and 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: it looks like the ones they've investigated, one third of 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: them are going to or are looking at being risk 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: of financial unsustainability, which essentially what that means is that 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: council rates have to be increased in order to keep 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: the gravy. 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Train going, or they have to scrap projects or unfortunately 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: for people, have to lose some workers. It's near the options, 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: aren't they. 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. You either reduce the size of the 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: council and potentially some of the services, or you increase 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: the rates. I mean, councils don't generate any income other 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: than from the income they get from rates. They have 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: a few little themes like obviously the Adelaide City Council 33 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: doesn't sparking in a few other bits and pieces, but 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: nowhere near enough money. I would say roughly around eighty 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: to ninety percent of the income is raised from rates. 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: So okay, councils finding themselves in a precarious financial position 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: like that. Who's fault is that? Is that the council 38 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: administration not advising the council as correctly is a council 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: is ignoring the advice and voting for projects thinking well 40 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: it might get them re elected potentially. What's going on? 41 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: Why can't they live within their means? 42 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: Look? Look, my experience and not just from obviously the 43 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: council Limon, but I've spoken to a lot of councils 44 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 2: in many different council areas, and the thing that I'm 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: sort of noticing the most is you have generally a 46 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: lot of elected members that don't have a lot of 47 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 2: experience that you would require to say, you know, check 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: on all the things, all the financial issues that happen 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 2: local government. And then at the same time I would 50 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: say that you know, a majority of the councils are 51 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: actually run by the administrations. So essentially you have a 52 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: bunch of unelected bureaucrats dictating and running the administ running 53 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: the councils, and the elected members there dominly are just 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: rubber stamping things, either through lack of knowledg or through 55 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: other nefarious reasons. 56 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: Yeah that's crazy. So I mean, yeah, just out of control, 57 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: it seems. And they don't know even when the election 58 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: comes when you'd say, well, they'd answer to the people. 59 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: Only a third of us by the voting, so they 60 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: get away with it. 61 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: Well, I'd say, the reason people have most of the 62 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: people I've spoken to a basically throwing their hands in 63 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: the air and said like I've had enough and I 64 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: was one of those people and then eventually I decided 65 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: to make a difference, so I got elected onto council. 66 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: And I've had a couple of good wins, obviously, you 67 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: know with the grainy flat motion we did and that 68 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: was through help of the radio station. But what I've 69 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: come to realize in my time and really taking a 70 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: deep dive into councils is that they're not going to 71 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: be reformed or fixed at a local government level. This 72 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: has to be legislation. Hence why some of the policies 73 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: we want to bring forward at the state after the 74 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: state election if we get elected. Obviously we want to 75 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: get really serious about racapping. We want to get serious 76 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: about actually helping the elected members that do get elected 77 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: with the experience with an independent body outside of the 78 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: LGA to help them and give them knowledge they need, 79 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: and at the same time also get community members to 80 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: engage with local government, but potentially make it actually a 81 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: requirement of local government to engage to a certain level 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: depending on the expenditure amount of the council. So there's 83 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: a few policies that we want to bring through to 84 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: the election which we're going to be releasing, and the 85 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 2: other one that I'm really interested or really excited about 86 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: is the two tiered rating system because a lot of 87 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: the services council tend to provide based on very little 88 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: interests but cost a lot of money to run. So essentially, 89 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: I would like to break down the council rates into 90 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: essential and non essential rate rises, I guess, and then 91 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: let the electric decide what they want to pay for. 92 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: So obviously picking up your rubbish, keeping your parks clean, 93 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, library, all those sort of things would be 94 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: considered essential. But then all the other stuff, like, for example, 95 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,119 Speaker 2: if you wanted to send your mayor over to Rio 96 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: to go to an exhibit about climate change, you can 97 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: pay for it because the majority of the community probably don't. 98 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: Exactly all right, let's take an example, and this is 99 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: out of your council area. But the Glenell Jetty wrote 100 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: upgrade essential or not essential. 101 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: Well, I would say that would be probably non essential. 102 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: But at the same time, if that's an expenditure the 103 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: council wants to put forward, it has to have detailed plans, 104 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: it has to have cost estimates, that has to have 105 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: a credential report done, and then you have to engage 106 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: with the community and I'm not talking about getting one 107 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: hundred or two hundred people saying yes, it's going to 108 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: be the majority of the community. That's a huge expenditure, 109 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: and you can't just rely on the elected members to 110 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: make up such a big decision. It's almost like you 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: require a bit of a pleaso side when it comes 112 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: to these huge expenditure issues. Because what we've found, and 113 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: I've heard many a time before in the radio, is 114 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: that a lot of people ask why did they even 115 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: bother to do this? So that tells me that they 116 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: haven't consulted correctly with the community, and so this has 117 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: to be a legislative change. This is the only way 118 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 2: it's going to work. Because I'll give an example. Down 119 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: in Victor Harbor, we're about to potentially hand over eleven 120 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: point seven million dollars of great payer money, hand over 121 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: community lands for one hundred and forty nine years on 122 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: a building that we will not own and have to 123 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: rent back. Now, I think today the biggest response or 124 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 2: survey response we got on that with about seven hundred 125 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: people out of sixteen thousand residents. I don't think that's 126 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: acceptable amount of response to extend that sort of money. 127 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you could argue the same and perhaps because 128 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: it's so public and contentious the changes to the roads 129 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: the council wants to do, where a heap of people 130 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: in a survey apparently said yes, remove all the western 131 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: traffic on Light Square and yes, rip out half the 132 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: car parks on on Hut Street. Yet most people didn't 133 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: even know what was happening, including residents. 134 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. I mean that survey was probably 135 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: answered for and directed to a certain group of people 136 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: to lift it a certain response. I mean, it's very 137 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: simple to engage with the community because at the end 138 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: of the day, they get their rates noticed every year. 139 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: You just attach the project you want to run with 140 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: this expenditure and you get them to answer then and there. 141 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: So you know, there are many there are multiple ways 142 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: of getting people to engage. But just simply ramming this through. 143 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I get tired of listening to The Boys 144 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: in the Morning or other shows about and reading the 145 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: newspaper about how many complaints there are about council. So 146 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: I've just decided, along with the party, we're going to 147 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: come up with policies they're going to stop this from happening. 148 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: I think ray capping is a big one. Of course, 149 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: the party try to take it through and it got nowhere. 150 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: We're going to follow it through. 151 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 3: Well. 152 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: The reason for that, and they, in my view, they've 153 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: got a lot to answer for for this is Connie 154 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: Benaros and Frank Pangelo, who were both under the SA 155 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: Best banner in the Upper House, voted against it. And 156 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: you know their votes were crucial to this passing or failing, 157 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: and it failed. Rate capping what an excellent idea to 158 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: keep counsels to capping rates to inflation for goodness sake, 159 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: instead of some that we've had what eight, nine, ten, 160 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: and for consequent subsequent years in a row, just unreal. 161 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I think some people don't realize this, 162 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: but you know, just recently there's been a lot of 163 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: issues and discussion talked about the taxing of unrealized games. 164 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 165 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure if you listeners know this, but 166 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: council rates are based on an unrealized game. They are 167 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: based on evaluation by the value in general. And as 168 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: we all know, our property prices have gone through the 169 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: roof that our incomes haven't kept up, and then councils 170 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 2: are just taking that as well. That's what the rates 171 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: have gone up, and so we're going to do what 172 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: we need to do to facilitate. I mean, I was 173 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: only reading yesterday and I think it was probably a 174 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago in the paper that the CEO 175 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: of Valai's City council was on more than the I mean, 176 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: it's just ludicrous. 177 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is absolutely so okay, council reform 178 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: that's going to be a key plank for one nation 179 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: moving forward. The ways you've described, you're confident of getting 180 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: it through Parliament. I suppose you have to wait and 181 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: see what the makeup will be. I guess yeah. 182 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: And look, I can say I'm pretty persuasive sort of 183 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: a person. And on the current polling numbers and they 184 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: are just growing week on week. It's just amazing the 185 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 2: support we're getting. Right now, we'd be looking at getting two, 186 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: possibly three elected up and then it's about a matter 187 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: of negotiating. But to be honest with you, Matthew, I 188 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: actually think the government is actually interested in local government reform. 189 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: I think they're just a little bit too scared to 190 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: take it on. Well, if I'll get elected, I'll be 191 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: going for it head first. 192 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: Why do you think they're too scared to take it on. 193 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: It'll be so popular to say we're going to cap them, 194 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: we're going to reform them, we're going to keep them 195 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: under control on a tight leash. Be the biggest vote winner. 196 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: I think, to be honest with you, I think they 197 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: work too much hand in gloves Stayton and councils, especially 198 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: the way that funding models are set up. So it's 199 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: kind of like they want them to be reformed, but 200 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: they don't want them to reform. I mean, you only 201 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: have to look at the decision to pass that pest 202 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: of legislation regarding the golf club in an Adelaide. So 203 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: they want local government to be there up until a 204 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: point where they become a problem and then we'll just 205 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: pass the legislation to convent them. So I would like 206 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: to see local government pull back, and I would like 207 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: to see state go and pick up more of what 208 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: they should be doing. For example, we collect the I 209 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: think it's the waste levy or landscape levy local for 210 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: state government. I don't see why we need to be 211 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: doing that as a councilor that's just a levee in 212 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: the council. The government should be able to claim that 213 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: themselves but it goes through the local government and it's 214 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: just another levy councils have to pick up. But local 215 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: government reform as well overdue. And I've heard a lot 216 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: of your listeners earlier tonight and on many times before. 217 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: If local government is one of those that really grind 218 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: to give, put your bot next to one Nation in 219 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: selection and then look out and see what happens. 220 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: Carlos, appreciate your time tonight. 221 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. 222 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: Carlos Kuremba, who's currently a counselor on the Victor Harbor 223 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: Council but standing for One Nation in the Upper House 224 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: at the state election. With the policy they'll be taking 225 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: on councils, so rate capping part of it, two tiered 226 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: rate system, an independent body to counter the LGA, supporting 227 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: councilors who want to hold their council's accountable on behalf 228 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: of rate payers. Councils just give you the impression they're 229 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: out of control. Whether they mean to or not. I 230 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: don't know if they mean to, to be honest, perhaps they do, 231 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: but you know, things like Campbelltown and their multi million 232 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: dollar building that they want to construct for themselves. A 233 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: new council chamber just what are you thinking. Everyone's tightening 234 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: their belts, your hiking rates up. It doesn't matter if 235 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: it's Campbelltown. They're all in the same league. MEA's jetting off, 236 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: MEA's theme song. We've got that whoa. 237 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: When my baby, when my baby's Miles and Be, I'm 238 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 3: go to real Engineera. I'm a souta villa when my 239 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 3: babies miles and Be the son of Lote. 240 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Peter. That's that's our men's for you.