WEBVTT - Danica De Giogio | 7 November 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:04.519 Live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.320 This is to Nika de Georgio. 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.720 Hello and welcome to the show coming up tonight. Susan 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.720 Lee under fire over net zero? Can she survive as 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.239 leader until the end of the year. I don't think 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:20.840 she can. Victoria's premier apologizes for the state's crime crisis. 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.639 It's too little, too late for that. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.560 I'll catch up with the state's shadow police minister shortly. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.840 And Andrew Mountbatten Windsor ordered to appear before US Congress 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.720 over his links to Jeffrey Epstein, will go live to 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.400 London for the latest for first tonight. 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:36.960 There's no going back now. 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:41.040 Liberals are openly speaking out against Leader Susan Lee. One 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.519 has to wonder with or without a net zero policy? 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.840 Can she survive as leader until the end of the year. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.839 I think not. I think it is over. Once a 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.320 position on energy has been. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.600 Decided, the sharks will come now. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.320 Susan Lee has bought the party time and I don't 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.400 doubt she is working hard. But time is going down 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.120 the drain for a party which is sinking in the polls, 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.680 has no positions, can't say what it believes in, and 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:09.399 is losing support rapidly. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:11.520 I don't think she's got what it takes. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.960 There's no authority and that is shown in the latest 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.400 News poll. She now has the worst polling numbers of 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.319 all time for a coalition leader. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.000 The Liberal Party needs a rapid overhaul. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:27.000 It's been six months of dithering and infighting, and it 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:31.119 seems that sentiment is being felt behind the scenes. Here 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.039 was Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson on Sky News this morning, 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:37.640 offering up a scathing assessment of Susan Lee. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.679 I can't pretend things are good. We've had a dire 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.040 News poll result, a primary vote of just twenty four percent. 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.640 Things are not traveling well. I do have to say, 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.160 really honestly, I do think Susan is losing support. But 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:57.080 I do believe in miracles we can turn things around. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.520 But things are not good. I don't support things the 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:02.240 way they are. 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.280 With a new leader or with Susan Lee. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.560 Well, Pete, I am just going to say at the 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:14.280 moment that I cannot support the way things are well. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:20.120 Look, this is an astonishingly brutal assessment. Senator Henderson was 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.800 then pushed further by my colleague Peter Stefanovic. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:25.560 With Susan Lee as leader. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.919 It sounds like you're not supporting her position as leader. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.600 Well, I can't back in the way things are, Pete, 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.320 and I've got to be authentic and I've got to 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.919 be honest about that. And it's very difficult. It's a 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:40.680 very difficult time for the Liberal Party. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:42.080 Wow. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.560 Now, look, this very public infighting does not at all 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.640 help the party. But this is the first time we've 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.520 heard a Liberal speak out so publicly against Susan Lee 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.520 since she was elected as opposition leader. Now Liberal and 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.200 P's tried desperately to patch it up today and back 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.600 to their leader in I. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.800 Think Susan is well established as leader and a witness. 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.040 Through an excellent Are you planning to roll her? 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:08.120 Absolutely not. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.320 She absolutely does have my support. I'm looking forward to Wednesday. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:12.639 She can navigate us through this. 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.079 I have no doubt that she can. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.800 Susan rightly identified at the end well after the last 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.840 election that we had to get better at getting policy 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:27.400 development done and making sure that we can put policies 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.760 that will resonate with the Australian people. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.960 But I thought that this was telling Liberal MP Andrew Hasty, 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:35.840 who is no doubt a shoe in to take on 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:37.040 the leadership. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.440 Role practically said the quiet part out loud. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.680 The thing we have to do is come to a 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.360 position on net zero and that's my singular focus until 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:46.880 we saw that out. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.320 It doesn't matter who leads the party, We're not in 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:49.720 the fight. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.520 Yeah, So in summary, find an energy position, then find 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.400 a leader. Now, Susan Lee tried today to put up 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.360 a united front, even defending her main credit Sarah Henderson. 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.240 I value every single member of my team, including the 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.080 good senator that you've just mentioned. What I am saying 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.600 is that everyone of my team is absolutely united behind 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.320 the focus that we have right now. I'm proud of 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.240 my team and I know that every single member of 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:23.240 that team is contributing to the serious, credible policy agenda 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:24.400 that I spoke about. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:28.800 United, although it certainly doesn't seem that way, especially in 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.080 the face of what will be next week a net 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.640 zero showdown. Now, when elected as opposition leader, Susan Lee 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.400 declared that everything was on the table. Then we were 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.920 told the energy policy decision could take up to twelve 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.680 months to formulate. Now net zero is going to three 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.000 meetings next week. All Liberal MPs will meet in Canberra 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.839 on Wednesday for a discussion on energy and emissions reduction policy. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.000 Shadow Energy Minister Dan Teen is expected to outline a 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.640 set of principles for endorsement and open questions for discussion. 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.080 The Shadow Ministry will then meet on third to formalize 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.159 a position. At the end of that three senior Liberals 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.799 and three from the Nationals will meet to discuss respective 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:11.360 party positions. A final joint coalition meeting for endorsement will 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.480 take place on Sunday, November sixteen. I've got to say 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.680 it's quite the invite only party over three different days, and. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.800 Really there is no guarantee that at the end of 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.400 that a position. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.560 Will be finalized, and it's all being hindered by the 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.520 moderates in the party who are warning Susan Lee she 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.239 should not take their support for granted claim the party 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.200 would be unelectable if a dumped net zero. Now look, 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.040 it's not all Susan Lee's fault. She has her hands 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:43.080 tied by these moderates. But being a leader means having 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:48.200 courage and making brave decisions popular or not. I mean, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.800 look a former Prime Minister John Howard as an example, 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.960 when he introduced a firearms control policy after the Port 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.760 Arthur massacre. In nineteen ninety six. He defied the gun lobby, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.320 his own constituents and even ignored the mass protests and 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:02.360 did it anyway. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.320 That's leadership. Susan Lee should ignore. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.280 The moderates who are bringing down this party and don't 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.360 forget the coalition took net zero twenty fifty to the 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.839 last two elections and still lost. They relied on outer 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.840 metropolitan voters to deliver an election victory this year, but 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.520 voters turned their backs overwhelmingly. These outer seats are where 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.080 mums and dads are most doing it tough, where cost 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.680 of living is top of mind, certainly not net zero. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.600 So back then, a change in policy would. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.600 Likely not have made a scrap of difference as to 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.480 where the voters voted Labor or Liberal when mum and 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.640 dad are trying to figure out how to pay their bills. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.160 So go out to these seats, prosecute the case for 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:49.679 cheap reliable energy. Go to the till seats, do exactly 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.960 the same, and sure, no doubt there are going to 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.120 be tills and people in those seats who want. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:55.880 To remain in Paris. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.640 I mean, have a listen to Zali Stebel on Sky 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.839 News this morning started we're starting the fear mongering already. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.440 Oh look, I'm having desavou here and clearly we're just 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:11.640 continuing on with the same a complete inability from the Nationals, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.880 the Liberals if this is a track they go down 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.160 to listen to the community in fact here Australia and 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:21.080 the very clear message around concern about climate change. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.400 It is up to the party to convince voters in 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.320 those seats and the Australian public between now and the 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.520 next election why net zero had to go and how 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.440 the coalition has a plan to keep the lights on 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.080 in this country and most importantly provide cheap, reliable energy 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:37.800 voters you at. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.560 Home, we deserve options, We deserve to have a contest 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:42.160 of ideas. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.560 We are going broken backwards under Labour's magic carpet rite fantasy. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.400 And the longer the coalition takes, the more we will 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.440 see the Liberals make their own positions on key issues. 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.360 I mean we've seen it with Andrew Hasty, Mikayla Cash 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:59.280 just sent at Nampajimper Price, Garth Hamilton, Sarah Henderson, to 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.800 name a few, all speaking out against issues like net zero. 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.240 Susan Lee only need to look at South Australia, where 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.200 more than two hundred members have suddenly quit the Liberal 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.200 Party in protest. It was what they see as her 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:16.360 week leadership and a failure to abandon net zero. Time 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.239 is not on the Liberal side anymore. There's no policy 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.960 on the table to put Australia first, to make a 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:27.160 case as a genuine alternative, and quite frankly, the only 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.080 way I can put it is that they are boring. 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:30.240 They're so boring. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.880 Susan Lee had a go, she has worked hard, but 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:37.600 there's no going back now. Sarah Henderson articulated it very 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.480 clearly today, whether she was right or not, that she 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:44.320 cannot support the way things are undergoing under Susan Lee's leadership, 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.160 and how many more Liberals will follow suit once an 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:55.280 energy policy has been reached. Well, the BBC over in 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:59.600 the UK, they're having another totally normal one. This time 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:04.920 they are policing facial expressions. In June, its presenter Martine 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.880 Croxall was reading out a health warning about an impending 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.920 heat wave when she corrected the public broadcasters woke terminology 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.320 for pregnancy have a look. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.880 London's School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine has released research 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.120 which says that nearly six hundred heat related deaths are 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.800 expected in the UK. Malcolm Mystery, who was involved in 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:29.599 the research, says that the aged, pregnant people, women and 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.760 those with pre existing health conditions need to take precautions. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.440 Now, apparently the face she made while correcting the script 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.760 from pregnant people to pregnant women breached the broadcaster's rules 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:46.000 about in partiality, because god forbid, the public might think 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:47.640 that the term pregnant woman. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.800 Was offensive and so guess what, She's been censured. 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.520 The BBC's Executive Complaints Unit upheld twenty complaints against the presenter, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.040 finding her facial expression laid it open to the the 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:05.000 interpretation that it indicated a particular viewpoint in the controversies 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.960 currently surrounding trans identity. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.079 So let me get this right. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.640 Saying pregnant women is now controversial, but the belief that 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:19.280 men can get pregnant is not. How dare Martine Croxall, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.360 a biological woman, think that the term pregnant people was nonsense? 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.439 How dare she lose patience so frivolously on air via 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.119 a facial expression? How dare she stand up for biological 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.480 women around the world with actual xx chromosomes and the 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.440 biological body parts that you actually need and are born 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.439 with in order to fall pregnant and carry a child. 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.800 And how dare she call women women? The BBC added 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.720 that congratulatory messages Miss Croxall later received on social media, 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.040 together with the critical views expressed in the complaints to 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.360 the BBC and elsewhere, tended to confirm that the impression 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.520 of her having expressed a personal view was widely shared 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.040 across the spectrum of opinion on the issue, and that 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:08.280 her facial expression was variously interpreted by complainants as showing disgust, ridicule, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:14.719 contempt or exasperation. Now, look, the BBC can censor as 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.680 many presenters as it likes, but I've actually got some breaking. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.880 News for the broadcaster. Men can't be women. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.120 Men can't be women, and no amount of censoring will 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.120 ever change what is a very simple biological fact. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.360 Oh and guess what, In case the BBC did not 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.080 know men can't feel pregnant, they would have thought. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.959 Yet Paul Martine Croxell has been found guilty of the 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.040 crime of being a biological woman with. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:51.040 A facial expression. Let's go straight to nationals MP Michael McCormack. 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:52.959 Now, good to see you, Michael. Thanks so much for 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.880 joining me on the show. Really appreciate it. Look, it's 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:57.840 going to be a big week next week. Let's start 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.559 with net zero three meetings for the Liberals. The Nationals 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.160 will be involved in some of them. How confident are 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.439 you that the Coalition will come to an agreement on 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:07.040 net zero. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.600 Well, let's hope that the moderates find some common ground 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:18.320 with those pushing for net zero within the Liberal Party because, 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.959 as you quite correctly pointed out at the top of 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.199 the show, time is of the essence. People need to 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.360 know where the Liberals stand, need to know where the 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:33.280 Coalition stands. They certainly know where the national stand. And 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.680 let's just get on with it. I mean, we're hemorrhaging everywhere. 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:41.280 We've got Sarah Henderson out there today making certain comments. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.640 I mean, who needs enemies sometimes when you've got friends 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.480 like that. It's just let's put it to rest, make 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.760 the call and get on with it. Get on with 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.440 prosecuting this government and their bad agenda for Australia. That's 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.079 the critical thing. We've got energy prices through the roof. 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.640 They're forty percent higher than in two and what are 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.479 we talking about ourselves? 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:04.440 Not good enough? 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.760 Well, I mean Sarah Henderson was pretty scathing in her assessment. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.520 Can Susan Lee survivors of official leader in your view? 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.480 Well, she should be able to. She hasn't even been 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.199 in the job six months yet, I mean, give her 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.480 a go. The Liberals should do a whole lot better 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.319 than by getting off her back, by giving us some 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:28.400 clear air, by stop backgrounding, by stop backstabbing, and just 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.920 give us some clear air. Let's go to Christmas with 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.360 a policy position on net zero. Let's win the ashes, 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.400 enjoy the tennis, have time at the beach, come back 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.040 in February, and get on with making sure that we 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.040 keep this bad government accountable. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.160 But even with polling so bad, I mean, she's got 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.439 the worst and the latest news poll says that she's 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.400 got the worst ratings of a coalition in a leader 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:52.920 in history. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:54.480 And surely that can't go off. 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.040 Oh well, look, if you don't sure, if you don't 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:58.800 like one pole, just wait, there'd be another one the 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.400 following week, all month or whatever. I mean, there's only 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:05.360 one pole that matters. That's the election ballot, and that's 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.120 the only pole. And I can remember, well in twenty nineteen, 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.520 when everybody had written us off, Scott Morrison and I 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.760 were able to bring it home and we won the 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:18.120 miracle election. Sixty percent of the population apparently, according to 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.400 the polls, thought that the Voice was a good idea. 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.400 Look what happened with that referendum. Look, I don't hold 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.560 too much countenance in polls, Danika, I really don't. I 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.920 just think we need to get on with making sure 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.800 we've got a united position as best we can on 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.360 net zero, Get behind the leaders Susan Lee and David 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.600 Little Proud and prosecute this really really bad gubet which 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:45.880 is forcing Australia to de industrialize, forcing jobs overseas and 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:51.680 costing everyday ordinary Australians so much at the checkout at 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.760 the petrol bowser and when they open their energy bills 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:55.280 every quarter. 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.280 It was interesting comments from former Liberal leader John Houston. 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:04.680 He's condemned Susan Lee leadership today. Sorry, John Houston, can 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.160 you hear me? Michael, Oh no, no, I heard what. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.800 I heard what you said, Deneka, And I'm sorry, I mean, seriously, 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.280 John Houston, I mean, come on, I mean there's there's 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.840 been sixteen Liberal leaders. They've all got honorable in front 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:19.560 of their name. There's only one who doesn't, and that's 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.880 John Houston. I mean, I mean the Blake lost the 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.240 nineteen ninety three election. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:25.360 It was it was an. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.320 Unlosable election and he managed to lose it. I mean, 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.080 he comes out he's an expert on everything, never held 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.040 him in a sterial portfolio, and now he wants to 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.200 comment on Susan Lee. I mean, seriously, John, I mean, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.400 give it up, give it a rest off. 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:39.760 Of bet Well. 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.560 I mean, just just scarify. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.240 So he said today that she hasn't shown any clear 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.560 strategy or any strong capacity in terms of leadership. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.200 That was here his exact quote today, Michael, Yeah, right. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:52.960 And did and did he ever? 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:57.240 I mean seriously, John Houston could have, perhaps many suggests, 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.800 should have been the Prime minister and he fluffed it. 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.200 And he had four years in the leadership, he had 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.680 the opportunity, he had everything going for him, and he 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:11.040 fluffed it. So he shouldn't come out now and criticize anybody, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.600 certainly anybody who's actually held him in a serial portfolio, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.800 which is something he never managed to do. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.840 Let's move on because Chris Bowen was out today masquerading 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.360 as an energy expert as he always does. 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:24.640 Have a listen to what he said. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.880 So don't believe in climate action and I will use 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:32.960 any excuse and any alibi to avoid proper climate policy 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.000 in Australia in twenty twenty five and next week they're 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.440 going to debate whether they believe in climate change again. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.360 I've got a wonder, Michael, should Labor actually be worried here? 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.480 This whole saga has actually put net zero back at 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.200 the public forefront again. People are talking about it and 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.120 they're going to start questioning, Well, hang on a second, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.360 my bills are actually not going down. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.600 So what is paris to me? I mean, in a 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:58.600 way Labor needs to address this, ye, I. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:16:59.440 Mean Chris Balen. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.600 There's the blow who allowed what eight hundred boats and 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.600 fifty thousand illegal arrivals on his watch when he was 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.199 the Immigration minister. I mean, I had a crack at 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.280 doctor Houston, who was never a minister. I mean Chris Bowen. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:15.840 He was probably the worst minister. And you're right, every 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.040 time somebody opens their power bill, they should see Chris 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.480 Bowen's face on that bill because he's the one forcing 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.119 their power prices up. He's the one forcing pensions to 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.639 become impoverished, people to sleep in cars, and the likes 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:34.720 of Tommigo and other factories and manufacturing bases to question 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.879 their survival. And what does he want, Well, he probably 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.920 wants a un cushy job or some sort of award 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.920 that's going to be presented to him because he was 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:48.239 the world's best climate emissions reducing a minister. I mean, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.040 just a bit like Wayne Swan when he was the 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.879 world's best treasurer when he couldn't produce the surplus to 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:53.560 save himself. 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.080 I mean, I mean this is nuts. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.840 I mean, Chris Baron can say whatever he likes, ordinary 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.200 every days, missus average are paying through the nose for 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.320 their energy costs and it's his fault. 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:05.080 Yeah. 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.720 Absolutely, And the mare he keeps talking, the more he 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.359 just keeps muddling himself up. Seriously, Michael McCormack, nice to 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.240 have you on the show. Thanks very much for joining me, 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:14.520 really appreciated. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:14.920 Thank you. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.400 It's going to be a huge week next week, three meetings, 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.840 so we'll be keeping you up to data with that. Now, look, 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.520 I want to remind you of these scenes that we 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.440 saw in Melbourne, CBD a few weeks ago, resembling what 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.240 was like a war zone as police used tear gas, 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.240 stun grenades and rubber bullets in a bid to control 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.040 dueling protests. Thousands of people joined March for Australia rallies 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.480 around the country and as you would expect, the march 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.119 in Australia was met with a counter protest led by 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.160 far left extremists who quickly turned things ugly. 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.400 Now. These scenes came days after. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.200 Just sin To Allen insisted that the Melbourne CBD was safe, 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.520 but the police commander Wayne Cheeseman begged to differ. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:53.960 This is what was fining in police today and I 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.679 think Melbourne has had a gutfull now. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.840 The Herald Sun has today revealed extreme left wing protest 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.240 has actually planned the violent attacks on police. Weeks prior, 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.560 Campaign Against Racism and Fascism held a meeting at the 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.040 University of Melbourne where attendees were urged to launch missiles 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.879 at officers. Protesters were told to be militant in your ideology, 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:18.800 be aggressive, to make to the fascists, make them be ashamed, 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:24.040 to walk the streets, and suggested throwing bricks at police unbelievable. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:28.160 Joining me now is Victoria's shadow Police Minister David Southwick. David, 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.160 thanks for your time. What do you make of these revelations? 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.119 Yeah, greatly with your Daneka only in Victoria do you 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.320 go to university to learn how to throw rocks at police? 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:42.159 I mean it's absolutely appalling and we've got a government 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.200 doing absolutely nothing about it. I mean, this is disgraceful. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.360 Police have had a gutful, Victorians have had a gutful. 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.800 We've got no laws to deal with these gutless cowards 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.840 that hide behind a mask at these protests despite calling 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.840 for it. The government's had plenty of the chances to 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.400 be able to do something that they've done nothing. But again, 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.480 university should be a place of learning, not a place 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.720 to be able to host these radicals to learn how 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.760 to incite hatred and violence on our streets. And we 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.360 must not forget it was only a few months back 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:17.800 where the university's had encampments that were also ensuring that 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:22.400 many Jewish students couldn't attend these campuses because of fear 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:23.600 of going anywhere near them. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.280 Well, I mean, does the University of Melbourne have questions 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.639 to answer for even hosting this event in the first place. 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:34.439 Yeah, look, I believe so. I think more Broadly speaking, 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.240 we've got to do more. There's got to be consequences. 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.480 There's some simple laws that the government could be doing 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.560 just to dm us these gutless cowards. We've got to 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:47.280 have protest permits. We are the protest capital where the 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:49.960 hate state. With these regular protests. It's cost to bomb. 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.000 It's time for action and the government's got to start 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.600 waking up and listening to what the public want. The 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.240 police should be there to protect us at the moment 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.640 they're struggling to protect themselves because they've got these extremist 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:04.280 radicals throwing rocks of them. 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.479 Yeah, I mean, it's just absolutely pauling. I agree. More 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:08.879 does need to be done. Now. 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.760 Look, it's been revealed that victorious police Chief Mike Bush 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:15.080 took another undeclared flight using the Forces Air Wing. First, 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.119