1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigel 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: people of the Eur Nation. Hello and welcome to the 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. I'm Joe Hildebrand. So that 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: story checks out and is an absolute pleasure to have 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: your company for the first full episode of my new podcast. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: Every week, I'm going to be breaking down the biggest 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: yarns around the country and around the world and telling 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: you what's really going on behind them, and then you 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: can go and tell other people and pretend you just 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: figured it out for yourself. This week, we're going to 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: be looking at why Labour actually needs to go down 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: in the polls if it wants to win the next election, 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: Why cutting migration could actually make the housing crisis worse, 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: why everybody supports nuclear but actually no one supports nuclear, 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: And what was the Treasurer's wife thinking wearing that two 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: thousand dollars dress on budget Night? All that more coming 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: up first up this week, I want to look at 18 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: what is undoubtedly the biggest story of the week, and 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: it was written by this young, handsome cadet journal called 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: let Me Check Joe Hildebrand. He sat down with Anthony Albanezi, 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: who you may know is the Prime Minister of this country, 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: whether you like that or not. But I sat down 23 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: with him as part of the launch of the red 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: Shield appeal for the Salvos. I do know lots of 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: work for the Salvos because I've got lots of sins 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: to atone for. And the PM has always been really 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: good in coming out and supporting the red Shield appeal. 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: As many of you might know, he grew up poor. 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: He grew up in a housing Commission flat in Campdown 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: with his single mum, and he's always come out and 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: rattled the can quite literally for the Salvos and a 32 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: bunch of other good causes. So I sat down with him, 33 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: cards on the table. I like Albo, I'm friends with Albou. 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: I think everyone knows that by now that I'm pretty 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: soft touched when it comes to the PM. But anyway, 36 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: I still wanted to get a good yarn out of it. 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: I didn't want it necessarily just to be all sort 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: of touchy fear. And the story everyone's talking about is 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: simply when will he call an election? After the budget 40 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: was handed down last week, everyone was saying, all right, 41 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: that's it, He's going to go to the polls early 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: now This is one scenario that some people are sort 43 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: of saying points to why he will go to the 44 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: polls early July. One, all the tax cuts kick in 45 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: from the federal budget and so everyone's feeling a lot 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: more money in their hip pocket. Of course, a lot 47 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: of the people who are saying is going to an 48 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: early election are the same people saying that no one's 49 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: going to feel any money in their hip pocket. So 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: you might want to take that with a grain of salt. 51 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: And of course, that power bill relief, that three hundred 52 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: bucks off your power bill, whether you're a struggling pension 53 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: or Gina ryan Hart who cares three hundred bucks in 54 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: the pocket, people will be happy about that. They'll be 55 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: sense that relief. And maybe about September or so, or 56 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: in the last quarter of the year, Albow then calls 57 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: an election. I am told this is not going to happen, 58 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: and I for long before being told that, thought this 59 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: would just be political. And there's a couple of reasons 60 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: for that. One is Queenslanders are going to the polls 61 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: at the end of this year in November I think 62 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: it is, and the labor government there is about to 63 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: get an absolute slap down that you have never seen 64 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: in your life. Stephen Miles is so completely and utterly 65 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: on the nose. He's had double digit swings against him 66 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: in a couple of by elections, barely held onto one 67 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: that was a really safe labor seat, and they are 68 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: just coming for him with brick bats. But the thing 69 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: is with those sorts of elections is it's not really 70 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: important who is actually going to the polls and whether 71 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: or not they are the ones who've caused all the 72 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: problems that you're so angry about. Basically, if you've got 73 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: the brick bats out, you just belt the first politician 74 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: of that color you see. So if it's a labor 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: government that you don't like, and it's a state labor 76 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: government that you don't like, but a federal labor government 77 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: is going to the polls before then they are the 78 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: ones who are going to get absolutely belted. And everyone 79 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: in politics knows this. So the last thing that Albau 80 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: wants to do is go to the polls before the 81 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: Queensland election. And that means if he's going to let 82 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: everyone in Queensland get it out of their system and 83 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: belt up little Stephen Miles before they belt up poor 84 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: old Albo then he can't really go to the election 85 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: until December, and when people are getting ready for Christmas, 86 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: when they're stressed about Christmas, when they're wondering if they've 87 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: got enough money to put on a good Christmas for 88 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: the family or to buy enough preses for the kids. 89 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: Do you really want a politician interrupting that time with 90 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: a four week long election campaign. I just don't see it. 91 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: And of course that election campaign could potentially even overlap 92 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 1: with the Queensland election, and so that is the last 93 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: thing that Albou wants to do. He does not want 94 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: to touch it with a barge poll. But don't take 95 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: my word for it. Have a listened to what the 96 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: PM himself said when I sat down and asked him 97 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: about it on the second anniversary of his election. 98 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: Three years is too short. I'd like to have a 99 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: four year term. So what we were focused on isn't elections. 100 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: What we were focused on is the need to provide 101 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: that cost of living relief. We have an election due 102 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, but that's a fair way off. 103 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: Now we're two thirds of the way through. Our immediate 104 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: task is to get the job done and to get 105 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: inflation down. 106 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: So there you have it. Albo himself says that he's 107 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: not going to the polls. He's not going to polls 108 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: until next year. He says that's when the next election 109 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: is due. That he's focused on cost of living before then. 110 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: And while you might not necessarily trust everything a politician 111 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: says at face value like I do, I'm a little 112 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: bit naive that way, I just lap it all up, 113 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: there's actually a very good reason for that. Firstly, he 114 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: needs interest rates to come down before he can go 115 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: to the polls. If interest rates are still at these 116 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: high levels that have crippled peace, relatively high, very low, 117 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: if you were living through the last recession of the nineties, 118 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: then you are going to be still anxious, champing at 119 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: the bit. And when you're anxious and champing at the bit, 120 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: the government of the day always suffers. So that's the 121 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: first thing. And you're also going to need as much 122 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: time as possible for inflation to come down, and we 123 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: know that inflation is still a bit higher than it's 124 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: meant to be. This led to some interesting stuff in 125 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: the budget where the Treasurer was kind of happy about 126 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: the fact that unemployment looked like it was going up. 127 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: Of course, he can't actually be happy about the fact. 128 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 1: But you know, he said, oh, it looks like we're seeing, 129 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately more modest increase in unemployment. And this 130 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: means that my budget, which I'm giving everyone three hundred 131 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: bucks for their power bill and tax cuts for every Australian, 132 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: will not actually be as inflationary as some people say. 133 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: So we've got to get inflation to come down, and 134 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: we've got to get interest rates to come down, and 135 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: there is really only one thing the government can do 136 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: to engineer that. Nothing. It's just got a wait and 137 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: hope and wait and hope. And yes it's a bit 138 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: of a gamble because what if they don't come down? 139 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: What if rates actually go up? But obviously the government 140 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: is betting that that won't happen. I'm also told by 141 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: a Labour insider that the last time around, this is 142 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: almost labor folklore. When Kevin Rudd was deciding whether or 143 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: not to go to the polls for his second term 144 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: and whether or not to call a double dissolution over 145 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: the fact that his emissions trading scheme had been blocked 146 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: by the Coalition and the Greens, never forget in the Senate, 147 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: he actually scribbed on it. He could have gone to 148 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: a double dissolution in January or February or March of 149 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: twenty ten, but he didn't. He paused. He released a 150 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: children's book instead, and we all know what happens next. 151 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: He didn't even make it to July one of that year. 152 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: He was knifed in June, on the night of my birthday, 153 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: in fact, June twenty third, So thanks everyone, Happy birthday 154 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: to me. And one of the key people I'm told 155 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: not by the man himself, but I'm told by a 156 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: labor inside. One of the key people telling rud that 157 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: you should go full term. Was you guessed it, Anthony Albanezi. 158 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: But the other thing that Albo needs to do in 159 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: order to win is to look like he's losing. So 160 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: the last thing that Albo actually wants the Electric to 161 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: think is that he is going to win another majority government, 162 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: because as soon as the Electric thinks, oh well, he's 163 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: going to get up anyway, that's when your little protest 164 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: vote comes out. That's when you think, oh, well, look, 165 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: maybe i'll just put a little vote over here. Maybe 166 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: I'll give him a little tickle up, maybe I'll vote 167 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: for the Libs just to keep him on his toes. 168 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: But and this is what senior Labor kind of strategist 169 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: was telling me just last week. But if you can 170 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: get it so that people think, holy crap, he might 171 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: actually lose, and have people think, oh, Peter Dutton might 172 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: actually win this thing, which is statistically impossible. I have 173 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: to say I hate to ruin Labour's grand strategy, but 174 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: if people think Peter Dutton could be the next prime minister, 175 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: then they will say I better vote for Albo. Then 176 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm ready for that change. And 177 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: this is not because I dislike Peter Dutton. I like 178 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: Peter Dutton. He is a really lovely man and he's 179 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: done a really good job as opposition leader in a 180 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: first term, which is the hardest job in politics. Because 181 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: the government's got their great big honeymoon period. They could 182 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: still blame everything on the last lot, and you've got 183 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: to get up there with all the baggage of the 184 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: previous government and then say why people should change after 185 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: just one term, which no Australian electorate has done. Since 186 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: the end of World War II. Every single government has 187 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: gotten at least two terms. So it's even when they 188 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: knifed Kevin Rudd and that whole snapp who Julia Gillard 189 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: still got a term with minority government, But that doesn't 190 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: mean that Albo is going to get a majority again. 191 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: It would be very tricky for him to get a 192 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: majority because already the majority has got his way for 193 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: thin and he would have to basically improve on his 194 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: first election result to maintain a majority government. Chances are 195 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: that will not happen. The good news is he doesn't 196 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: have to do a deal with the Teals or the Greens, 197 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: which is something that Labor is desperate to avoid because frankly, 198 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: they're just nauseating people and you just wouldn't want to 199 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: work with them. You just would not wish this on 200 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: your worst enemy. I mean, look at Monique Ryan and 201 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: Sally Rugg. Even their acolytes can't work with them. He 202 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: can get support with other independents and squeak over the 203 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: line in minority government. But that's not even what they 204 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: want the Australian public to think. What they want them 205 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: to think is that he is going to lose. Peter 206 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: Dutton will be the next Prime Minister and everyone will 207 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: come out and say, oh, well we better give another go, 208 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: And that is how he gets over the line, and 209 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: that is how he may be and is a very confident, 210 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: sometimes distressingly confident bloke. Maybe gets another majority term and 211 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: it could be with really weird sae. It's like tagny 212 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: in Western Australia, which quite frankly have no business being labor. 213 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: And yet, as my mum's special friend Don said, when 214 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: he took the dog to the vets and got it euthanized, 215 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: here we are now. Of course, the other big issue 216 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: of the week was Peter Dutton's Budget reply and the 217 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: burning issue that seems to be going underneath all this 218 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: cost of living crisis, which is immigration. Are immigration numbers 219 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: too high? Are we bringing too many people in? And 220 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: is this creating crushing pressure on the housing market and 221 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: forcing Australians people who are here already out of housing, 222 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: not able to get into even rental accommodation and certainly 223 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: making buying a house incredibly unaffordable, which it has been 224 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: for young people for years time immemorial. Well, this is 225 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: what Peter Dutton had to say about immigration in his 226 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: Budget reply speech on Thursday. 227 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 3: We believe that by rebalancing the migration program and taking 228 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: decisive action on the housing crisis, the Coalition can free 229 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 3: up almost forty thousand additional homes in the first year 230 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: and well over one hundred thousand homes in the first 231 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: five years. First, we will implement a two year ban 232 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: on foreign investors and temporary residents purchasing existing homes in Australia. Secondly, 233 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 3: we will reduce the permanent migration program by twenty five 234 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 3: percent from one hundred and eighty five thousand to one 235 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: hundred and forty thousand for the first two years in 236 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: recognition of the urgency of the crisis. 237 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: Now that all seems to make perfect sense. You've got 238 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: a set number of housing, a set amount of housing, 239 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: set number of houses being built, and then you've got 240 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: a set number of people coming in. And if the 241 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: people coming in is greater than the number of houses 242 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: being built, then suddenly you've got a housing crisis. Pretty simple, right, Well, 243 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: as the old saying goes, for every problem there is 244 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: almost always a simple solution, and it's almost always wrong. 245 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: One of the reasons, in fact, we have a housing 246 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: crisis is not because we had too much migration, but 247 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: because we had too little. One of the reasons there 248 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: is a housing crunch at the moment is because when 249 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: all the borders were shut down and everyone was locked 250 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: out during COVID. What a great idea that turned out 251 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: to be. All the house builders, all the developers just went, oh, 252 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: there's no one coming in, we're just going to have 253 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: to stop building stuff because we'll have no one to 254 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: sell it to. And so suddenly they stopped building the 255 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: housing supply that we need because they didn't think there 256 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: was going to be any demand for it. And those 257 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: two words supply and demand, even an art student like 258 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: myself can understand, are pretty important to market economics. Now, 259 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: just to make matters worse, and this almost has nothing 260 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: to do with migration but has everything to do with 261 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: border closures. Reason why there's a housing shortage is because 262 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: all the housing and the property that developers were selling 263 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: off the plan to people saying, here, would you like 264 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: to buy this unit off the plan, blah blah blah 265 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: blah blah, it's going to cost you this much, sign 266 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: on the dotted line, thank you very much. Suddenly a 267 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: bunch of those developers went under, went bust, went broke, 268 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: collapsed because the supply costs literally the cost of wood, 269 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: among other things, shot through the roof because of all 270 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: the COVID border closures and because of the supply chain 271 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: disruptions that that or created all these things that guess 272 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: what some people might have been warning about at the time, 273 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: but everyone said no, no, no. So these are all 274 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: the residual problems that we're dealing with because of decisions 275 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: taken way back there. And I'm not going to cause 276 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: anyone too much PTSD my talking about the COVID years, 277 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: but this is what's happening. So one of the reasons, 278 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: and this is why a bunch of people have come 279 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: out since Peter Dutton's speech and said, actually, no, cutting 280 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: migration will not make the housing crisis any better at all, 281 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: and some people even saying, well, it could actually make 282 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: it worse because if the people who are building all 283 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: the houses and who want to make a buck off 284 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: that think there's not going to be enough people to 285 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: buy them, then they're not going to build them. And 286 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: there's other issues around that as well, including things like 287 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, the government releasing enough land, state governments releasing land, 288 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: and people making sure that we use you know, all 289 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: the empty housing that we've got, although that's not as 290 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: simple as it sounds either, and of course infilling or 291 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: building higher density communities and neighborhoods and suburbs around transport 292 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: hubs like train stations. Now there's a whole bunch of 293 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,119 Speaker 1: stuff that we need to do, but you're not necessarily 294 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: going to find developers who are keen to do that 295 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: unless they think that there's going to be heaps of 296 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: people who want to pay money to live there. And 297 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: this might sound very cold blood, but it's another This 298 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: is also the reason why the Greens planned to say, oh, 299 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: we're just going to put you know, rental caps on 300 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: landlords so landlords won't be able to charge more than 301 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: a said amount of rent, or we're going to freeze 302 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: rental increases so they won't be able to increase rents 303 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: with inflation. Now, again, to an undergraduate student, socialist arts student, 304 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense. How do you make rents cheaper? 305 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: You just write out a law that says you must 306 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: make rents cheaper. But if this means that people aren't 307 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: going to buy investment properties because they don't think they'll 308 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: be able to make a return on them, then suddenly 309 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: you could actually have a shortage of property because people 310 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: aren't investing in them. So you have to make these 311 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: investments attractive for the landlords and attractive for the property 312 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: developers so that they continue to build them unless maximother 313 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: Jones would like to build all the houses himself out 314 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: of his own private wealth, go for it. So that 315 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: is the problem we're facing there. So we've already got 316 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: a housing crisis, in part caused by the fact that 317 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: develop didn't see any increase in the number of buyers. 318 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: In fact, they saw a decrease in number of buyers 319 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: because we were shutting people out. And you've also got 320 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: a housing shortage because of course people are fighting tooth 321 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: and nail not to have higher density in their developments. 322 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: But the other reason we need migrants is because, guess what, 323 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: we've got a skill shortage. We don't have enough people 324 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: to do the jobs that we need done. Now, we've 325 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: heard a lot about the crisis in age care, almost 326 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: as much as we've heard about the crisis in housing, 327 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: and of course this was something that also came to 328 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: the fore during COVID. Well, guess what, we don't have 329 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: enough age care workers. And one of the biggest sources 330 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: of skilled labor for the age care sector is migrants 331 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: coming in. These other people we are actively seeking and saying, hey, 332 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: we don't have enough people here. Can you please come 333 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: in and do it, because otherwise we don't have eatingwhere 334 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: to put grandma. So again you go from a balancing act, 335 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: hopefully not a choice, but balancing out between all right, well, 336 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: do I want age care workers so I have somewhere 337 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: to put my elderly parents when they can't take care 338 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: of themselves. Do I have enough childcare workers? Can I 339 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: find our childcare spot for my kid? Because there's a 340 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: shortage of childcare workers And that is another massive role 341 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: that migrants play in delivering to Australia. Another one is 342 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: just doctors, so you know, more housing, but I'm going 343 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: to die? Is that an equation we really want to 344 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: fiddle with? So there is a reason why we are 345 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: bringing these people in. We're not just doing it to 346 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: be nice. The humanitarian intake, by the way, is a 347 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: tiny fraction of the overall migration intake. I mean, our 348 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: humanitarian intake is somewhere along the lines of about twenty thousand. 349 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 1: It's absolutely sweet fa. Whereas we saw in one bump 350 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: a year that was making up for COVID, about half 351 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: a million people come in and that obviously scared the 352 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: shit out of a lot of people, and everyone says 353 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: it's got to come down, including the government that had 354 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: previously justified it going up. The governments now bring that 355 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: down to about two hundred and fifty thousand. Peter Dutton, 356 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: as we've heard, wants to bring it down further. But again, 357 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: these are not just arbitrary numbers. We're not just picking 358 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: up and say, oh, it's going to be two hundred thousand. 359 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: Oh it's going to be one hundred and fifty thousand, 360 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: because that number is somehow magical and delivers a result. 361 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: We pick those numbers because that's how many age care 362 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: workers or childcare workers or doctors we need to come 363 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: into the country. And there's another reason that we need 364 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: these people to come in, and that is because we 365 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: are dying out. Every nation in the world, every developed 366 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: nation include and some developing nations, are basically dying out. 367 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: We are not making enough babies to replace ourselves. I'm 368 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: doing my bit. By the way, I got three, so 369 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: hit more my KPIs there even two? You're falling a 370 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: bit short because of course some people will only have 371 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: one or some will have none, and so that means 372 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: the average falls down. Peter Costello famously said have one 373 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: for mum, one for dad, and one for your country. 374 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, Peter, done my duty. And this is another 375 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: reason why we need to bring migrants in, especially young migrants, 376 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: because we need workers to pay taxes so that we 377 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: can look after our aging population. We are living longer, 378 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: we are reliant on pensions for longer, we are reliant 379 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: on healthcare for longer, and all this stuff is incredibly expensive. 380 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: And if we have fewer and fewer young people who 381 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: are working and paying taxes to pay for it, that 382 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: means we have an inverted pyramid. And that is very 383 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: very very very bad. It means we have a bunch 384 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: of really old people who need care on the top 385 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: of the pyramid, which is the big part it's inverted, remember, 386 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: and then a tiny little worker base to actually pay 387 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: for the care of all those people. So that's another 388 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: reason we need to bring migrants in. So next time 389 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: someone says, oh, we'll just cut migration, that will solve 390 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: every thing. In fact, it will probably make just about 391 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: everything worse. The other big issue Peter Dutton brought up 392 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: in his budget reply, and it's really the sort of 393 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: other side of this double helix, and it's something he's 394 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: hoping to almost literally blow up the Prime Minister with 395 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: is nuclear power The coalition has decided quite courageously, as 396 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: Sir Humphrey Applebee from Yes Minister might put it to 397 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: go out on a limb, put nuclear power on the 398 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: table and think this might wedge the government. He says, Look, 399 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: this is clean green energy. It's reliable. You can use 400 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: it for base load power, and it gets us to 401 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: net zero and your all your wind power and your 402 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: soul of power. Well, and the wind doesn't blow and 403 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: the sun doesn't shine. That ain't no good. You can't 404 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: rely on it. Here's nuclear. It's reliable, it's completely energy neutral, 405 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: so it doesn't produce any emissions. And why won't you 406 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: just look at that? And you get the government tied up. 407 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 4: In nights going oh but nuclear but something something something, 408 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 4: Oh but the Helen Caldocott and better Garrett and the 409 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 4: NDP and something something. Oh we don't like nuclear and 410 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 4: we've got moratoriums and oh I don't mention the uranium 411 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 4: we explort to everyone else. 412 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: So this is what he had to say. 413 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: By nuclear power. Some fifty countries are exploring or investing 414 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 3: into zero mission, next generation technologies for the very first time, 415 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 3: we hold the largest deposits of uranium on the planet. 416 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 3: You have to ask yourself the question, is the Prime 417 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: Minister and Minister Chris Bowen have it right? Or is 418 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: the rest of the developed world just doesn't know what 419 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: they're talking about. I mean, ask yourself that question. Would 420 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 3: you side with Anthony Albernezi and Chris Bowen or the 421 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: rest of the developed world? With nuclear power, we can 422 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: maximize the highest yield of energy per square meter and 423 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 3: minimize our environmental damage. 424 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: Now again, that seems perfectly reasonable, and I certainly don't 425 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: want this to be a Peter Dutton pylon. I don't 426 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: like pilot, but I will just break apart a bit 427 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: of what he's actually said. You might have noticed this 428 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: week that on the front page of nine newspapers the 429 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: CSIRO pulled out a report. I think it was more 430 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: than one hundred pages long. Haven't read them all, but 431 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: the gist is that nuclear power is really expensive, and 432 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: that is true. To start building a nuclear power plant 433 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: from scratch is really really expensive. And a lot of 434 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: the other countries that rely on nuclear power have already 435 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: built their plant, so it's just a matter of keeping 436 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: them going. They don't have that huge capital works startup cost, 437 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: So there's that. The other problem is where you're going 438 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: to put it, Because according to a report by my 439 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: beloved colleague Cleaire Armstrong in the Daily Telegraph and other 440 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: news metro mast heads around the country this week, the 441 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: Coalition is secretly polling or putting out the feelers, maybe 442 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: a few focus groups, love the groups in different communities 443 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: to see if they would cop a nuclear power plant 444 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: in their backyard, in their suburb. And I've just got 445 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: a feeling that that ain't gonna fly. I've been working 446 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: in politics in the media for about a quarter of 447 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: a century now, and I'm pretty sure that no one 448 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: is going to stick their hand up and say, you 449 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: know what over here, as they said in that great 450 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: Olympics ad so many years ago, kick it to me, 451 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: Kick it to me? Was it the World Cup? I 452 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: give up. I'm not a sport guy. I cannot, for 453 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: the life of me figure out how a nation full 454 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: of Nimbi's, because we are a nimbination. We don't even 455 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: want migrants coming in, let alone nuclear How nimbi nation 456 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: where a bowlo that makes too much noise in its 457 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: kids play area can be subject to complaints of residents 458 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: where if you try to build anything medium density or 459 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: high density, or say, listen, you know you've got to 460 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: cop a few flats in your street, you've got people 461 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: chaining themselves to trees. Do not, for the life of me, 462 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: see how you could put these nuclear power plants anywhere 463 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: without just having endless legal action, endless protests, endless consultation 464 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: processes that never go anywhere, council approvals that will eventually 465 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: have to be overridden anyway, but will tie up the 466 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: process for god knows how long appeals through the courts. 467 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: It just ain't gonna happen. Unless you're putting these things 468 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: in the middle of the desert, which probably makes you 469 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: anti aboriginal or something. You are just not going to 470 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: get this over the line. Of course, you could, if 471 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: you were a coalition government just stick them all in 472 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: safe labor seats. That's probably not going to fly too 473 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: well either, given that those are more likely to be 474 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: the poorer suburbs of any metropolitan city. And of course, 475 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: if you were going to put them just in the 476 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: middle of the inner city, which would be to be 477 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: fair very funny, and I would pay to see that, 478 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: stick them in a Teal seat. Well, the Teals are 479 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: protesting against even having battery reactors in their seats. Oh 480 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: it's not a pra oh no, yes, oh we're all 481 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: for a renewable energy, but you know having this battery 482 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: in our seat nor city, no, which just wouldn't be sympatico. 483 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: So if renewable projects can't even get the Teal touch 484 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: in Teal seats, then it's hard to imagine how they're 485 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: going to cop nuclear again. Please give it a go. 486 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: I really want to see this happen. It would be hilarious. 487 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: I really want to see. Just give Adam Bann a 488 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: nuclear reactor, just stick it in inner city Melbourne and 489 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: just watch the hipsters slowly inhale the fumes. But I 490 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: just don't see how it is going to get over line. So, 491 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: while there are all these poles that say, yes, you know, 492 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: we want nuclear, we support nuclear because we have rational people. 493 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: We're not crazy chicken littles. We don't live in the 494 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: Simpsons Springfield, we don't cower. We're all read. You know, 495 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: Raymond Briggs when the wind blows. That was the eighties. Man, Nah, 496 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: this is cool. Nuclear power is fine. So all right, 497 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: so you'd be happy, happy to live next to nuclear actor. Sorry, 498 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,479 Speaker 1: what come again? So where is it? Oh, it's not 499 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: that I'm opposed to nuclear. I just don't think that 500 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: would fit in with the kind of urban environment of 501 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: the street. You see, it would actually block out views 502 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: of the harbor if you put it, yes, see, No, No, 503 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: it's not it's not me. I'm all for nuclear, don't 504 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: get me wrong, but I'm just not sure if it 505 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: would be somewhere where children are playing or This is 506 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: my favorite one, and this happens every time anyone tries 507 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: to build anything so much as a mosque, let alone 508 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: a nuclear power plant. No problems with the mosque, no 509 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: problems with the nuclear power plant. I'm just worried about 510 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: the parking. And now to the final conundrum of this 511 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: week's episode. That dress. No, I'm not talking about the 512 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: one that's either blue and black or white and gold 513 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: or whatever. It's white and gold for the record, I'm 514 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: talking about the dress worn by Laura Chalmers, who is 515 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: the wife of Treasurer Jim Charmers, when she sat in 516 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: the public gallery with the kids to watch her husband 517 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: hand down his second budget. Although he is often credited 518 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: with writing all of Wayne Swan's budget. So maybe it's 519 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: his third or fourth point being that's so unkind, isn't it? Wayne? 520 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: Sorry point being Laura Charmers rocked up looking absolutely stunning 521 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: to the budget night speech. The problem is she rocked 522 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: up looking absolutely stunning in a two thousand dollar dress. 523 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: Now I don't know much about such things. All I 524 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: know is that it kind of looked like a yellow 525 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: Jackson Pollock painting. It had sort of a big thing 526 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: that flew over there, and you can have a look 527 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: at it online. Everyone's talking about it and I just 528 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: cannot get my head around it. And it's not just 529 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: because the sheer dimensions of the dress are physically difficult 530 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: to get one's head around. The question is why would 531 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: or how would a budget that is effectively a cost 532 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: of living not quite austerity because they're giving money away, 533 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: but you know it's a budget that's saying, listen, we 534 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: can't do anything to be inflationary. We have to be 535 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: very modest and targeted in our relief. And you know, 536 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: these are tough times. We understand how difficult it is 537 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: for Australians and they're really struggling to make ends meet. 538 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: How does that compute with the treasurer's own wife rocking 539 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: up in what I believe was a nineteen hundred dollars dress. 540 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: It's good to know that they got the price point 541 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: right by the way. So hey, you're looking for address 542 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: for under two thousand dollars to take you next budget night, 543 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: We've got this one for nineteen hundred and ninety nine. 544 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm just not sure it was as bad a misstep 545 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: or a miscalculation as everyone is making it out to be. 546 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: And I'm not even sure that Jim had any say 547 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: in the matter, because I know if I tried to 548 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: tell mo my wife what she could or couldn't wear 549 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: to a public outing with me, whether or not it 550 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: was my budget, my birthday, whatever, I'm pretty sure those 551 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: would be the last words to ever exit my mouth. 552 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: So I reckon he probably just said you look great, honey, yep, terrific, 553 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: that's great, and off he went. But even if it 554 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: was kind of you know, all right, okay, you know, 555 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,959 Speaker 1: even if people are thinking about that, I just wonder 556 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: if it has been such a disaster. Peter van Onselin 557 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: wrote a great piece in The Daily Mail saying this 558 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: could be you know, this is like Joe Hockey and 559 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: Mattias Corman smoking cigars before handing down their great sort 560 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: of slasher budget cutting, cutting everything, while the big fat 561 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: cats smoke cigars outside Parliament house or were evil capitalists. 562 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: And I think that kind of stuck, even though I 563 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: thought it was a bit unfair, because I'm all in 564 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: favor of people doing anything that's bad for them, But 565 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: I think that's stuck because of course that's the Liberal Party, 566 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: that's the coalition, and that big sort of fat cat 567 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: tag sits on them, and I think that is unfair, 568 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: but it sits on them and they have to wear it. 569 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: Whereas when a Labor politician's wife is wearing a fancy 570 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: dress and their kids are all looking, I think he's 571 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: got three kids too. So he's doing his bit for 572 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: the country and he's winning the demographic lottery, putting his 573 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: money and much more where his mouth he is, quite frankly, 574 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: So I think when Labor does something like that, it 575 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: actually maybe does it seem out of touch, or maybe 576 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: given Jim Chalmers likes to call himself the bogan from Logan, 577 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: maybe it actually shows that, you know what, we're a 578 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: bit aspirational too. We can be a bit flash on 579 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: a special occasion too. You know, we want to dress up. 580 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: And I think this is something that a lot of 581 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: people fail to understand about people who grew up poor 582 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: or working class people. I grew up very poor. I 583 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: wasn't working class. I was a welfare class So I 584 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: was raised by a single mum in Danny Noong. She 585 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: raised three kids on her own, one of them special needs. 586 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: I always have to clarify no, not me, point being 587 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: just because you're working class or just because your labor 588 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you want to carry on pretending that you 589 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: don't want to make it. I think the great nevill 590 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: Ran said the whole point of the working class is 591 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: you want to get out. It's the upper middle class, 592 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: so revel in the glory of socialism and the honor 593 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: in poverty. Anyone who's actually been through poverty, they don't 594 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: want a part of it. I just want to get 595 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: the hell out of there. So of course she wants 596 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: to dress up on the big night. Now, I say 597 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: let her. If you've got to spare a couple of 598 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: grand I'll take it. Well, that's all we have time 599 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: for today. Thanks so much for listening. 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