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Speaker 1: Apologie production Grow and Glows Twelve Days of Christmas. Hello everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Grow and Glow twelve Days of Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I've got one of my oldest beautiful girlfriends on here, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Ah, thank you so much for having me. I'll take

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Speaker 2: any opportunity to chat with you.

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Speaker 1: I love our conversations that we have, and I always

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Speaker 1: love your perspective on things. So today it's just called

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Speaker 1: Thursday Thoughts, and I've got a bunch of random questions

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Speaker 1: going to ask you because I'm just genuinely curious and

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of these topics people will be

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Speaker 1: chatting about with their girlfriends and just called a here

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Speaker 1: different perspectives. So are you ready for some real random questions?

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Speaker 2: Throw them at me? Okay?

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Speaker 1: My first one is, what are your thoughts on changing

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Speaker 1: your mind? Why are we so afraid or why do

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Speaker 1: we think it's wrong to change jobs or change relationships

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Speaker 1: or to change friendships. I feel like there's this like

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Speaker 1: icky stigma around it being a bad thing. What's your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on it?

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Speaker 2: It's hard, right, Like, when ever we approach change, it's

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Speaker 2: always difficult for us to do and we come up

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Speaker 2: against roadblocks. But the thing is, our brains don't care

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Speaker 2: if we're happy. They just care if we're safe. And

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Speaker 2: the way that our brains work is that the same

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Speaker 2: equals safe, So it doesn't care if you're miserable or

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Speaker 2: it will always choose a familiar hell over an unfamiliar happiness. Right.

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Speaker 2: So that's what makes change, and you know, doing anything

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Speaker 2: new so challenging, and our brain's going to throw everything

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Speaker 2: that we possibly can at us. It's going to think

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Speaker 2: of every possible reason that could go wrong. It's going

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Speaker 2: to bring up all of our old stuff, it's going

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Speaker 2: to bring up all of our insecurities, and that's its job.

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Speaker 2: When you understand why things are coming up for you

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Speaker 2: and what that's doing. It doesn't necessarily and change doesn't

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Speaker 2: necessarily mean that you shouldn't be doing something. It just

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Speaker 2: or that you're incapable of doing something. It just means

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Speaker 2: that it's new you and that can totally change the

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Speaker 2: way that you look at it. So your brain is

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Speaker 2: meant to keep you safe. So that's why change feels

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Speaker 2: so daunting and unfamiliar, and it can feel icky, and

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Speaker 2: then you know, if you've got other limiting beliefs, around

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Speaker 2: you know what you've always done, and living for other

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Speaker 2: people and making other people happy. Then that adds another

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Speaker 2: layer of it as well.

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Speaker 1: I love the old saying too that friendships and relationships

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Speaker 1: and even jobs and stuff, like some things in your

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Speaker 1: life for a reason or for a lesson or to

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Speaker 1: expand us, Like there's always a purpose for someone being

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Speaker 1: in your life. But it doesn't necessarily mean it has

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Speaker 1: to be forever.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. And it's so okay if the answer changes.

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Speaker 2: It's so okay if that relationship evolves and changes, and

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Speaker 2: every chapter has an ending, so true, every single one.

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Speaker 2: That means that the good things are also going to

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Speaker 2: come to an end, which could be like your newbornce

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Speaker 2: no one. I don't know very many people who really

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Speaker 2: love the newborn stat you know, like the best holiday

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Speaker 2: is going to come to an end, that best honeymoon

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Speaker 2: phase in your relationship might come to an end. And

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Speaker 2: that's not to say that things won't get better, but

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Speaker 2: they will change. And getting comfortable with the discomfort of

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Speaker 2: knowing what's going to come next, that's a really cool

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Speaker 2: place to dive into as well, and you start to

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Speaker 2: get to know yourself more. But yeah, change can be

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Speaker 2: really uncomfortable because it's new, not because it's not what

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Speaker 1: So true, and the only thing that we are really

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Speaker 2: Change is the only constant. Yeah, the only constant thing

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Speaker 2: is that this second is not going to come again,

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Speaker 2: and that we don't know what's going to happen tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: And that can be as comforting or as scary as

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Speaker 2: what you choose to make it right. It's like when

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Speaker 2: nothing is possible, anything is possible, When nothing is certain,

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Speaker 2: anything is possible. And that can I either expand your

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Speaker 2: world or scare the diesels out of you. Jesels, you

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Speaker 2: need to bring it back. I feel like it's forgot

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Speaker 2: some late. It sounds like a caffin kim thing totally,

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Speaker 2: but Jesels, dazzle it or something. Oh thank you.

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Speaker 1: My next question is really random because I feel everyone

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Speaker 1: has different opinions on it. But what's your opinion on.

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Speaker 2: The news radio media?

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Speaker 1: Because I know Steve at the moment, he is just

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Speaker 1: suppose filtered through our mainstream media is on there, so

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Speaker 1: we don't watch news as it is. But I definitely

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Speaker 1: know some people are like, oh my god, you see

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Speaker 2: All? One hundred percent? My family, my parents are one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent news watches. Like they sit there and it's

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Speaker 2: the mainstream media or bust. Like their world consists of

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Speaker 2: what they see come through their screen. Now the way

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Speaker 2: I sort of see it, it's in two parts. Do

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Speaker 2: I think it's really important that we stay up to

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Speaker 2: date and across current world demands? Absolutely? Do. I think

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Speaker 2: that we'll get that through the standardized media outlets that

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Speaker 2: are owned by big corporations and all that jazz. No,

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Speaker 2: And we've learnt that what is brought to us through

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Speaker 2: mainstream TV and news outlets that way and the newspapers generally,

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Speaker 2: it's filtered, and it's chosen, and it's specific, and it's

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Speaker 2: for certain agendas now, whatever the agenda may be. So

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Speaker 2: I think it's really important that you seek out your

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Speaker 2: own reputable sources, that you are conscious of every piece

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Speaker 2: of information that you consume, and you're also really mindful

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Speaker 2: it all, of course, and I definitely try to. But

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Speaker 2: I'm also I know, with so much that's happening overseas

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Speaker 2: I can't get my heart can't hold it. I'm as

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Speaker 2: up to date as what I can be. As humans,

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Speaker 2: we have never been privy to so much of the

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Speaker 2: world's horrors and things that are going on in one

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Speaker 2: on a humanitarian level, we need to make sure that

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Speaker 2: we're aware and doing everything that we can. But you've

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Speaker 2: got a question, and like come at it with a

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Speaker 2: gentle curiosity. Yes, I think with the headlines that are

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Speaker 2: you often see come across And even the kids came

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Speaker 2: to me with something the other day and I was like,

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Speaker 2: lean in, like get curious with that. It's good to

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Speaker 2: start questioning, Like obviously, don't question you, mother, but question

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Speaker 2: everything else. Kidding, they can question me as well, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they do. But I think that it's really

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Speaker 2: whether it's your Instagram or what or like that seems

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Speaker 2: quite light, or Twitter or your news outlets or what

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Speaker 2: you're reading that is this true for you? What's the

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Speaker 2: benefit of whoever's sharing this information? What are they going

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Speaker 2: to get out of this? Or is this factually true?

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Speaker 2: And is it true for me? And is this something

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Speaker 2: it's such a fine line, is it.

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Speaker 1: Because Steve will feed me different things that are going

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Speaker 1: on in the world, and sometimes they say what you

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Speaker 1: just said, I'm like, I can't hold that, babe, Like

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Speaker 1: I don't want to know any more details of what

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Speaker 1: they're doing to the children over there, Like, oh, we're

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Speaker 1: consumed in it. I go down a rabbit hole. It

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Speaker 1: then affects my energy. I can't be the mom I

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Speaker 1: want to be. And I've done it before with the

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Speaker 1: sex slavery. I've went in this deep, dark rabbit hole

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Speaker 1: and it consume me for months, and I just it's

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Speaker 1: really really hard. You want to be able to do

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Speaker 1: your bit, but yeah, you can only hold so much and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how is it benefiting you?

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Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, like, you can't

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Speaker 1: save everyone. It's no hard consuming all the information, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't make you be able to save every kid on earth.

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Speaker 1: You know, you do what you can and what you

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Speaker 1: hold what you can hold. And I think it's important

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Speaker 1: to be informed as to what's going on and support

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Speaker 1: who you can support and whatever charities organizations. But there

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think there's so much stigma around that

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Speaker 2: saying that as well, Like some people are like, you

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Speaker 2: should be watching everything twenty four to seven? Did it?

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Speaker 2: And it's like, how is that helping? How? Yeah, how's

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Speaker 2: it imperspossible? There's so much happening, so much happening, and

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Speaker 2: it's like, when we can, we do. Yes. I think

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Speaker 2: look away. I think that's really important as well. When

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Speaker 2: do so, challenge it a little, have the deeper, meaningful conversation,

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Speaker 2: connect with the people around you and grow that way

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Speaker 2: and see if you can do it that way. Donate

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Speaker 2: where you can. I mean, the possibilities are endless in

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Speaker 2: the ways that we can help. But I don't believe

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Speaker 2: Worded it so perfectly. What are your thoughts on regret.

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Speaker 1: It's a big open air question, but I'd just love

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Speaker 1: to hear your perspective on regret in general.

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Speaker 2: It's so dank, isn't it. Like regret is such a

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Speaker 2: heavy well. It feels really heavy for me and my

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Speaker 2: body because I think I left little I left. I

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Speaker 2: did leave my twenties, but I lived most of my

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Speaker 2: late twenties and early thirties filled in a shame spiral

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Speaker 2: of all sorts, like whether that's just because I had

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Speaker 2: new babies. Well, I made some very questionable life choices,

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Speaker 2: as we all have. That shame spiral got me nowhere.

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Speaker 2: It just kept me digging down and down and down

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Speaker 2: and down. The regret and reflection are two sides of

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Speaker 2: reflect then on that moment, on that instance, on that situation, choice,

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Speaker 2: something really beautiful and a stepping stone within our life.

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Speaker 2: I don't have now as this person. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: regret what I wore the other day because I can

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Speaker 2: have those, But the big situations they've softened over time.

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Speaker 2: But time won't heal all forms of regret. Reflection has

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Speaker 2: to do that. So it comes back to the way

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Speaker 2: what gives you the relationship with regret. Steve Jobs say,

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Speaker 2: we could only connect the dots looking backwards, and there

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Speaker 2: I can see now in hindsight, and the moments where

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Speaker 2: They kept me up at night. They were a big

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Speaker 2: because of the flow on effect from that. But rather

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Speaker 2: the weight of the punch of whatever it is that

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Speaker 2: we needed to learn, because you're not going to, you know,

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Speaker 2: So then we have in order we regret to reflect

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Speaker 1: And it could be completely wrong. That's what conspiracy theory is.

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Speaker 1: It's just people thinking of throwing things out there or whatever.

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Speaker 1: welcome back. I love chatting with you. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much time. Where can we find you? Anyone that wants

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Speaker 2: Easiest ways through Instagram and I am at katie four

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Speaker 2: Oh we're in it. Yeah, i'd love to connect with

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much for joining us, and I

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Speaker 1: hope you have a beautiful Christmas.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll talk to you anyway, See you later