WEBVTT - The Trial: Erin's record of interview

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<v Speaker 1>In the one Thaggy Police Station. There's a small interview

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<v Speaker 1>room with white walls and a light brown table. It

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<v Speaker 1>was in this room that police first interviewed Aaron Patterson

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<v Speaker 1>over the deadly mushroom lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a DVD recorded interview between detective Leading Senior

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<v Speaker 2>Constables Stephen Eppingstall and Aaron Patterson of lean Gatha, conducted

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<v Speaker 2>at the one Thaggy Police Station on Saturday, the fifth

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<v Speaker 2>of August twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Erin, wearing a light brown sweater, answered the questions from

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<v Speaker 1>the detectives.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you understand too that I've never been in

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<v Speaker 3>a situation like this before, and I've been very, very

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<v Speaker 3>helpful with the health department through the week because i

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to help that side of things as much as

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<v Speaker 3>possible because I do want to know what happened. So

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<v Speaker 3>I've given them as much information as they've asked for

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<v Speaker 3>and offered up all the food and all the information

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<v Speaker 3>about where the food came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Today in court, she fought back tears as the jury

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<v Speaker 1>was played the video of that interview. I'm Brooke Greever Craig,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the mushroom cook. I'm back for day

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<v Speaker 1>twenty of Aaron Patterson's murder trial, and I'm here in

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<v Speaker 1>morewell with my colleague court reporter Laura Passella.

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<v Speaker 4>What a massive day we've had.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was a huge day in court. We heard

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron's record of interview that was done on August five,

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<v Speaker 1>a week after the lunch. This record of interview was

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<v Speaker 1>played in court when Constable Eppingsteel took to the stand

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<v Speaker 1>and gave evidence. As we mentioned in yesterday's episode, he

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<v Speaker 1>is the informant on the case.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right Brook And today, when the record of interview

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<v Speaker 4>was being played to the jury, Aaron had her own

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<v Speaker 4>screen in front of her where she could watch along

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<v Speaker 4>as well. I was sitting in court today not too

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<v Speaker 4>far from the dock where Erin is seated, and when

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<v Speaker 4>you looked over at her, you could tell that at

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<v Speaker 4>certain points she did start to become emotional. There was

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<v Speaker 4>one point where she looked up at the ceiling of

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<v Speaker 4>the dock and it appeared that she was fighting back

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<v Speaker 4>tears as she was watching herself answer the detective's questions.

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<v Speaker 1>In the video, Aaron is seated to the right hand side,

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<v Speaker 1>while Constable epping Stall is with one of his colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>and they're seated to the left. Aarin begins the interview

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<v Speaker 1>by confirming her full name and her home address.

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<v Speaker 4>The interview starts with the exchange you heard at the

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<v Speaker 4>top of the episode, before Constable epping Stall starts asking

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<v Speaker 4>Arin some more detailed questions which concern their investigation. Two

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<v Speaker 4>points that are touched on pretty early on in the

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<v Speaker 4>record of interview concern the foraging of mushrooms and the dehydrator.

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<v Speaker 4>These are some of the exchanges they had. These are

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<v Speaker 4>their words, it's not their voices.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, we've got concerns in relation to the mushrooms and

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<v Speaker 2>where they've come from. Is it something you have done

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<v Speaker 2>in the past foraging for mushrooms?

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<v Speaker 1>Never?

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<v Speaker 2>Ever?

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<v Speaker 1>Never?

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<v Speaker 2>And later he asked, do you know anything about a

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<v Speaker 2>dehydrator in your No? Do you own a dehydrator?

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<v Speaker 3>No. I've got manuals of lots of stuff I've collected

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<v Speaker 3>over the years. I just keep them all.

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<v Speaker 4>The defense conceded in its opening address that Erin has

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<v Speaker 4>foraged for mushrooms before, and she did own a dehydrator,

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<v Speaker 4>which she later dumped at a local tip after the lunch,

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<v Speaker 4>Defense barrister Colin Mandy told the jury at the beginning

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<v Speaker 4>of the trial that it was their case that Aaron

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<v Speaker 4>panicked after the lunch because she was overwhelmed by the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that these four guests had become so ill because

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<v Speaker 4>of food she had cooked them. But mister Mandy made

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<v Speaker 4>it clear to the jury that while Aaron admits she

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<v Speaker 4>lied about foraging for mushrooms, she denies that she ever

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<v Speaker 4>deliberately sought out deathcat mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to the interview, Aerin was also asked about

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<v Speaker 1>her relationship with her estranged husband, Simon Pattison and his family.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you describe to me the relationship with your ex

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<v Speaker 2>partner Simon. I would like to understand why you had

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<v Speaker 2>his parents and the uncle and aunt.

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<v Speaker 3>Over for lunch because I've got no other family. They've

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<v Speaker 3>always been really good to me, and I try to

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<v Speaker 3>maintain those relationships despite what is happening with Simon. I

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<v Speaker 3>love them a lot. They've always been really good to me,

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<v Speaker 3>and they always said to me that they would support

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<v Speaker 3>me with love and emotional support even when Simon and

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<v Speaker 3>I were separated. I really appreciated that my parents are

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<v Speaker 3>both gone, my grandparents are all gone. They're the only

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<v Speaker 3>family that I've got and they're the only grandparents that

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<v Speaker 3>my children have, and that's really important to me. I

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<v Speaker 3>think Simon hated that I still had a relationship with them.

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<v Speaker 4>I love them.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing that's ever happened between us, nothing he's ever done

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<v Speaker 3>to me, will change the fact that they are good,

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<v Speaker 3>decent people that have never done anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>In the interview Erin was also asked questions about her

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<v Speaker 1>hospital visit.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. Constable Eppingstall asked Erin about her presentation to

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<v Speaker 4>lene Gatha Hospital two days after the lunch on July

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<v Speaker 4>thirty one, and asked her questions about why she had left.

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<v Speaker 4>Five minutes later. Erin told him that she went to

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<v Speaker 4>hospital because she was really dehydrated and thought she might

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<v Speaker 4>need saline. But then she said that she found out

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<v Speaker 4>from the doctors they wanted to send her to Melbourne

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<v Speaker 4>for treatment. She told Constable epping Stall. When you've got

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<v Speaker 4>animals at home and children who have multiple after school activities,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't just drop everything and go to Melbourne overnight.

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<v Speaker 4>She explained to him that she went home, fed the

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<v Speaker 4>animals and packed her daughter's ballet kit. Erin told Constable

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<v Speaker 4>epping Stall that when she arrived at leeing Gatha Hospital,

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<v Speaker 4>she spoke with doctor Chris Webster, who has given evidence

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<v Speaker 4>in this trial. She said she told him that he

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't worry about her because she was just a gastro

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<v Speaker 4>case and she wasn't urgent. But she recalled that doctor

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<v Speaker 4>Webster realized who she was and informed her that the

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<v Speaker 4>lunch guests were sick. He told her that he was

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<v Speaker 4>concerned that they had eaten death cat mushrooms. She said

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<v Speaker 4>that later that morning, doctor Webster finished his shift and

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<v Speaker 4>passed her on to another doctor who gave her some

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<v Speaker 4>medication to protect her liver. It was during the time

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<v Speaker 4>she spent at lean Gatha Hospital that she conveyed information

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<v Speaker 4>to police about where they could find the leftovers of

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<v Speaker 4>the lunch. Constable Eppingstall said that it was to Erran's

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<v Speaker 4>credit that she provided the pin code to her front

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<v Speaker 4>gate and directed police to where exactly they could find

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<v Speaker 4>those leftovers. After questions about the leftovers, Constable Eppingstall told

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<v Speaker 4>Erin that they would be completing the interview and the

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<v Speaker 4>video stopped playing. Constable Eppingstall will return to the witness

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<v Speaker 4>box tomorrow and answer more questions from Crown Prosecutor Jane

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<v Speaker 4>Warren before he's cross examined.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's move on to another witness we heard from today,

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Sergeant Luke Farrell, who is also from the homicide squad.

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<v Speaker 1>He told the jury he conducted a search at Erin's

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<v Speaker 1>home in lean Gatha with Constable epping Stall on August five,

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<v Speaker 1>on the same day as her record of interview.

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<v Speaker 4>The jury heard that the search warrant on August five

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<v Speaker 4>was executed at around eleven forty When the detectives arrived

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<v Speaker 4>at Erin's home, Erin was told that this search warrant

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<v Speaker 4>was in connection with the death of two people, and

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<v Speaker 4>the court heard in response, she asked who died. Sergeant

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<v Speaker 4>Farrell told the court that it was his recollection that

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<v Speaker 4>when Erin was told about the deaths, she expressed surprise.

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<v Speaker 4>The court heard at the time of the search, Erin's

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<v Speaker 4>two children were home, as well as the family dog.

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<v Speaker 4>Constable Farrell explained that he was the team leader that day,

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<v Speaker 4>which meant it was his job to physically conduct the search,

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<v Speaker 4>while some of his colleagues took photos of the items

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<v Speaker 4>that were seized and recorded a video of the search

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<v Speaker 4>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was actually found during the search, then.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll start with the kitchen the jury were shown several

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<v Speaker 4>photos of both the kitchen and the butler's pantry, and

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<v Speaker 4>the photos showed almost step by step how police went

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<v Speaker 4>about this search. A instruction manu a for a sunbeam

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<v Speaker 4>dehydrator was found in one of the kitchen drawers, a

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<v Speaker 4>set of kitchen scales was found in the butler's pantry,

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<v Speaker 4>and then a best selling recipe tin eats cookbook called

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<v Speaker 4>Dinner was spotted on the kitchen bench. Sergeant Farrell said

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<v Speaker 4>a piece of tissue had been used as a bookmark

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<v Speaker 4>and the cookbook had been spattered with food remnants. The

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<v Speaker 4>court heard that Erin had conversations with detectives about this

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<v Speaker 4>cookbook and she confirmed she had used a recipe inside

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<v Speaker 4>to make the beef Wellington. The jury was shown photos

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<v Speaker 4>of that recipe today. It runs over about six pages

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<v Speaker 4>and on one page you can see a photo of

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<v Speaker 4>a latticed beef Wellington log.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the jury were told a video was filmed of

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron's house and stills of that video were shown to

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<v Speaker 1>the jury, and these were stills of plates inside her home.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. Farrell conceded that no photos were taken during

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<v Speaker 4>the search. Warrant of any plates in Aaron's house, so

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<v Speaker 4>they had to resort to using these stills from the video.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a range of plates shown that included those

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<v Speaker 4>on the kitchen bench, those in a drawer, and some

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<v Speaker 4>that were in the dishwasher. He was asked about some

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<v Speaker 4>of the plates in the dishwasher and he said that

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<v Speaker 4>from the still, it appeared they had a red top

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<v Speaker 4>with a dark bottom. He conceded that none of these

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<v Speaker 4>plates were seized during the search and.

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<v Speaker 1>Were any other room searched.

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<v Speaker 4>Sergeant Farrell said that detective searched one of the children's bedrooms.

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<v Speaker 4>In that room, they seized a Cooler Master computer, a

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<v Speaker 4>Samsung mobile phone, and a Samsung tablet. Our listeners may

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<v Speaker 4>remember that these devices were examined by Senior Digital Forensics

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<v Speaker 4>Officer Sharman Fox Henry, who also works for Victoria Police,

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<v Speaker 4>and Sergeant Farrell even said that at the time of

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<v Speaker 4>the warrant, the tablet was in possession of Eron's daughter

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<v Speaker 4>and had to be taken from her.

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<v Speaker 1>And besides from Aaron's record of interview, another video was

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<v Speaker 1>shown to the jury today.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, and this was a very short video. It

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<v Speaker 4>only ran for about a minute and a half and

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<v Speaker 4>It was taken at the very end of the search warrant,

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<v Speaker 4>where Sergeant Farrell could be seen talking to Erin about

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<v Speaker 4>her mobile phone. He explained to her that the only

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<v Speaker 4>outstanding item that they were yet to collect was the

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<v Speaker 4>phone she was currently using. In the video, he asks

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<v Speaker 4>her if he can have a look at the phone

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<v Speaker 4>and she said of course. She could then be seen

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<v Speaker 4>handing him the phone and he asked in response whether

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<v Speaker 4>or not it required a pin code. She said that

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<v Speaker 4>it was either a four digit or a six digit

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<v Speaker 4>code and said she didn't know exactly which one. During

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<v Speaker 4>his evidence, Sergeant Farrell also said that a search warrant

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<v Speaker 4>was executed at one of Erin's properties in Mount Waverley,

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<v Speaker 4>but he told the court that nothing of note was found.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally we heard again from Senior Public Health Advisor

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<v Speaker 1>Sally n Atkinson. She took to the stand and gave

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<v Speaker 1>further evidence today.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, she completed her evidence in chief today and spoke

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<v Speaker 4>about the report that the Department of Health handed down

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<v Speaker 4>after their investigation had concluded. She told the court that

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<v Speaker 4>the investigation established that it was highly unlikely that the

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<v Speaker 4>commercial food chain had been contaminated with death cat mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 4>She said the risk to public health was deemed to

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<v Speaker 4>be very low and the Department of Health had deemed

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<v Speaker 4>it an isolated event. Miss Atkinson told the court that

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<v Speaker 4>only one Asian grosser stocked dried mushrooms, similar to the

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<v Speaker 4>description that Erin had provided her, but she said this

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<v Speaker 4>product was notably larger.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Laura, they are all the witnesses that we heard

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<v Speaker 1>from today, But you told me that Adura actually got

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<v Speaker 1>left out of the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, And I don't think you could have seen

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<v Speaker 4>what was happening from the overflow room, Brook. But in

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<v Speaker 4>court towards the end of the day, when Constable epping

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<v Speaker 4>Stall was giving evidence, there was a short break and

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<v Speaker 4>the jury left the room. But when they came back in,

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<v Speaker 4>someone realized that only thirteen of them were sitting in

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<v Speaker 4>the jury box. They realized they'd actually left one of

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<v Speaker 4>the jurors behind. Laughter filled the courtroom when the jury

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<v Speaker 4>forewoman went to the door to the jury room to

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<v Speaker 4>try and get him, and then had trouble trying to

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<v Speaker 4>open the door, but eventually they recovered him and all

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<v Speaker 4>fourteen jurers continued listening to the evidence, and all fourteen

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<v Speaker 4>jurors will be back in court tomorrow to continue hearing

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<v Speaker 4>from Constable epping Stall, who the prosecution said today would

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<v Speaker 4>be the last witness they call before they formally close

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<v Speaker 4>their case against Erin.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking forward to it. Thanks Laura, Thanks Brooke. To stay

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<v Speaker 1>updated on this case, go to the mushroom book dot

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<v Speaker 1>com dot au