1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: You can listen to the Front on your smart sneaker 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: every morning to hear the latest episode. Just say play 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: the news from The Australian. From the Australian, Here's what's 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: on the Front. I'm Claire Harvey. It's Monday, July twenty two. 5 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: One in three millennials aged eighteen to thirty four have 6 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: skipped meals to save money in the past twelve months. 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: As the cost of living crisis bites in Middle Australia. 8 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: More than half of households have cut food spending and 9 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: a quarter have dropped doctor's visits. That exclusive survey is 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: live now at the Australian dot Com dot a You 11 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: taxpayers have spent more than four million dollars for CrowdStrike, 12 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: the company behind Friday's catastrophic global internet outage, to protect 13 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: the Department of Defense, spy agencies and the Future Fund. 14 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: In today's episode, the outage exposed how much we rely 15 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: on electronic transactions. So is this a moment for cash 16 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: to return? In nineteen ninety eight, in New Zealand's biggest city, Auckland, 17 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: the power went out and it stayed out, not for 18 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: a few hours or a couple of days, for five weeks. 19 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: Here's how Radio New Zealand and TV three captured the drama. 20 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: This is Morning Report with Jeff Robinson and Shawn Plunkett 21 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: in Auckland on Monday, February twenty third, the day Auckland 22 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: City stood still. The hot and dry weather in Auckland 23 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: over January and February appears to have been the trigger 24 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: for the cables to fail one after the other. 25 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: Emergency services tackling a freak electricity crisis that has paralyzed 26 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: the center of Auckland said today that health and safety 27 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: issues were now paramount. 28 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: Restaurants, schools, TV stations, every shop, every street light. The 29 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: main drag Queen Street roared with the sound of diesel generators. 30 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: New Zealanders still keep their kitchen drawers full of candles 31 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: and matches. The Auckland power outage was one of those 32 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: moments when you realize the layer of modernity that protects 33 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: us is pretty thin. 34 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: It's just unbelievable. 35 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: Jared Lynch is, The Australian's Technology editor. On Friday afternoon, 36 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: that glimpse of life without modernity happened to the whole world. 37 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: The catastrophic failure caused chaos of banks, businesses and airports 38 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: across the globe. 39 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 3: A massive worldwide computer outage cripples US hospitals, banks, and airlines. 40 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 4: A simple security update triggered a worldwide tsunami of technological breakdown. 41 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: The problem with technology, if it's good, is that it's 42 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: adopted in such a widespread way that we become completely dependent. 43 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: It was getting towards late on a Friday afternoon, so 44 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: you were looking forward to being able to knock off work, 45 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: and then I couldn't access our work system to file 46 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: a story, and. 47 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 4: I thought it was my computer because I was working 48 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 4: from home. 49 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: In the next few moments, Jared texted his colleagues at 50 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: The Australian to see if anyone else had the same problem, 51 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: and they did, and then one said something that really 52 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: got Jared's attention. A colleague said he just tried to 53 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: return an item to a Bunning's hardware store and they 54 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: said their systems were down. 55 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 4: I thought, well, is that a coincidence or it's a 56 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: bit odd. I rang up Bunnings. 57 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: I said what's going on and they said, oh, it's 58 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: one of our supply It's called CrowdStrike. I said, ah, okay, 59 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: So then I went on down detector and just saw 60 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: dozens of Australian companies. I had this massive spike in 61 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: out each activity and thought, we have a problem here. 62 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: So what were the next steps for you as a reporter? 63 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: It was just to do good old fashioned shoe lever 64 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: reporting and that was just to ring up all these 65 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: companies that were on down detector saying what's going on? 66 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: And oddly some of the companies said, what are you 67 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: talking about. More troubling though, is when I actually ran CrowdStrike, 68 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: because I were my first porter call. I rang their 69 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: agency here in Australia to say, look, there's this problem. 70 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 4: What's going on? They said, what problem? 71 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: And I said, there's dozens of Australian companies that are 72 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: reporting outages. 73 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 4: You haven't heard about this? 74 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: No? 75 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: And they said have you spoken to these companies? I said, yeah, 76 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: I've spoken to a few of them. Don't you know 77 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: what's going on? 78 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 4: No? No, no, no, no. 79 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: And it was another five hours until I got a 80 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: response from CrowdStrike. Now that's just not acceptable and it 81 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: just exposes a gaping flow in our sovereign it capability. 82 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 4: I mean, I grew up in the country Clare. 83 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: There was the old saying right, you buy a car 84 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: from the local car dealer because if something goes wrong, 85 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: you can take it to the car dealer and they'll 86 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: fix it. In this case, there are reports that Sydney's 87 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: CrowdStrike office was deserted on Friday afternoon. All these companies 88 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: couldn't pick up the phone to someone to say what's 89 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: going on, and in this day and age, that's just 90 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: not acceptable. 91 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: The CrowdStrike incident lasted less than twenty four hours in 92 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: its most intense phase, but there are computers and laptops 93 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: all around the world that will have to be manually 94 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: rebooted by IT staff, a process likely to take days 95 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: or weeks. Most big companies in Australia, from Quantas to 96 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: Woolies and Coal's and our own company, News Corp Australia 97 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: engages CrowdStrike to provide a product called Falcon, which sits 98 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: on the laptops and desktop computers. Falcon's job is to 99 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: protect the user's system from attack. That means CrowdStrike has 100 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: to interact with whatever system of software is on the 101 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 1: laptop or desktop, like Microsoft Windows or Apple's iOS. Here's 102 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: Crowdstrike's chief executive George Kurtz. Later on Friday explaining what 103 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: went wrong. 104 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 3: We're deeply sorry for the impact that we've caused customers, 105 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 3: to travelers, to anyone affected by this, including our companies. 106 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 3: So we know what the issue is. We're resolving and 107 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 3: have resolved the issue now. The system was sent an 108 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: update and that update had a software bug in it 109 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: and caused an issue with the Microsoft operating system. That 110 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: was the extent of an issue. The issue in terms 111 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: of a bug. 112 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 4: That was related to our update. 113 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: Friday's outage only affected devices running Microsoft Windows. And that's 114 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: interesting because CrowdStrike has had serious beef with Microsoft going 115 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: back months after the break. So how crowdstrikes aggressive attacks 116 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: on Microsoft have come back to bite it? Plus, is 117 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: this a moment for cash to come back? The best 118 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: coverage of tech is in the Australian twenty four to seven. 119 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: You can join our subscribers at the Australian dot com 120 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: dot au and we'll be back after this break. One 121 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: of the reasons Crowdstrike's outage is interesting is that crowdstrikes 122 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: style until now has been elbows out criticizing other organizations 123 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: and particularly Microsoft, for their approach to safety. 124 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: It's quite funny there's been this argibargie. 125 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: That's been happening between CrowdStrike and Microsoft for quite some time. 126 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: Crowdstrike's chief executive, George Kurtz, has been very quick to 127 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: throw at Microsoft, particularly around cybersecurity, and last year on 128 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: an earning's call, he said they've been operating the same 129 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: filed model that McAfee and simtech have been using for 130 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: the past twenty five years now. If you think the 131 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: main thing that keeps executives up at night is a 132 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: cyber breach, a mass disruption like this, if you hear 133 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 2: those sort of comments, you think, oh, well, these people 134 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: kind of know what they're talking about. And indeed their 135 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: growth has actually been phenomenal. Their share prices more than doubled, 136 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: their annual revenue has been growing at a rate of 137 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: sixty four percent. They've had this stunning reputation until now. 138 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: So companies have been using CrowdStrike as a way to 139 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: fend off cyber attacks denial of service, which is similar 140 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: to what we saw on Friday, where people's laptops are 141 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: rendered useless. They couldn't access their systems. Even though this 142 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: wasn't a cyber attack, it had that effect. But the 143 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 2: last thing they thought is the company that should be 144 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: defending this. This sort of activity and disruption would achieve 145 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: just that virus software upgrade. 146 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: So it must be pretty embarrassing for CrowdStrike that it's 147 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: actually an update that they tried to execute that has failed. 148 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: Or do you think this goes back to the same issue. 149 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: They will continue to blame Microsoft for having inadequate systems 150 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: because this upgrade didn't affect iOS for example, did it No, I. 151 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 2: Don't think they can blame Microsoft for this. It was 152 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: their software upgrade, and the software upgrade basically affected the 153 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: brain of Windows, which caused all these Windows based PCs, 154 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 2: laptops and other devices to render what is known the 155 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 2: blue screen of Death, and people just couldn't access them. 156 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: They couldn't do their work, and across the globe there's 157 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: reports that companies have lost billions of dollars as a 158 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: result of this. 159 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: Many of those companies will now seek compensation. Organizations that 160 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: are planned for an outage, like Triple O. Dispatching services 161 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: which quickly shifted to pen and paper were okay, but 162 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: in today's cash free world, many companies had no backup 163 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: plan at all. 164 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: Technology is fantastic. 165 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: It does make our lives easier and You can go 166 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: out for a run with only an Apple Watch and 167 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: be able to go buy yourself a coffee with a tap. 168 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: You don't have to be carrying your phone or a 169 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: wallet with your coins. 170 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 4: Jingling a round. 171 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: Has become that easy for us to transact in this 172 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: modern age, and technology has become as essential to our 173 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: economy as running water. The problem is is when it sneezes, 174 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: we all catch a cold, and it's a reminder that well, actually, 175 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: maybe we should have a few hundred dollars stashed away 176 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: somewhere in the house or in our wallet. Cash is king, 177 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: and there's a reason why it is so. 178 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: Finally, Jared, what do you think happens to CrowdStrike now? 179 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: Is this a fatal blow for this company or are 180 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: they too deeply embedded in systems to suffer too much? 181 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 4: Well, the question is who else do you turn to? 182 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 2: No doubt, this has been a major blow to their reputation, 183 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 2: but they are a gorilla in this space. They've had 184 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: this problem, they don't want to have it happen again 185 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: because they've been talking a massive game and they've probably 186 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,119 Speaker 2: got the best engineers in this space. So as frustrating 187 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: as it was, it could even be more frustrating to 188 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: be able to change, given how embedded they are. 189 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: Jared Lynch is The Australian's Technology editor. There's a major 190 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: change in the way Australians give birth. Just twenty percent 191 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: of babies will be born in private hospitals this year 192 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: amid a maternity care crisis. 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