Speaker 1: It's pride month. It's pride month.
Speaker 2: It's pride.
Speaker 1: Let's be all pride. Give me some pride, pride, pride.
Speaker 2: Pride, Yeah, drop the pride.
Speaker 1: Welcome the first things first, I'm bloting. My pronouns are
Speaker 1: she and her.
Speaker 2: I'm Maddy meals. My pronouns are heat and him. And
Speaker 2: before we get started, we'd like to acknowledge the custodians
Speaker 2: of the land on which we record. And for me
Speaker 2: today that's the gaigle people of the orination.
Speaker 1: And for me it's a hundred people of the cooler nation.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
Speaker 3: I want to act like a wrapper.
Speaker 1: Oh I know the cooling nations. Actually we're talking about
Speaker 1: cool killed. It's a cool month.
Speaker 4: This month, it's the jojo See what a month?
Speaker 1: Come as a bet?
Speaker 4: Oh god? It is?
Speaker 1: Are you proud? Are you proud?
Speaker 2: I'm proud and I'm an ally for everyone.
Speaker 1: I'm black, I'm loud and I'm proud.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Go on, that's your new book coming out next to year.
Speaker 1: Literally that's the black mantra of my life. I'm black,
Speaker 1: I'm proud.
Speaker 3: Play out, Yeah, you've been play out?
Speaker 1: What is Pride month? Around it? I'll take what I
Speaker 1: can get.
Speaker 2: I love that. Speaking of Pride Month, when was the
Speaker 2: last time you've had your face in a vagina?
Speaker 1: A containa? A Kataina, tell me about it? Very tough,
Speaker 1: Like do you want to know the details?
Speaker 3: Or is that like spill the tea? Babe, were here,
Speaker 3: we're talking about Pride month.
Speaker 1: It's been a it's been a blow, I mean probably yeah.
Speaker 1: God it was twenty twenty two, No way, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: life twenty twenty three. Sorry, sorry you haven't earlier last year?
Speaker 2: Wow, you haven't flexed your your gay muscle in like
Speaker 2: six months? I know.
Speaker 1: I reckon my like I need to do a tongue
Speaker 1: stretch and I need to do like some finger exercises.
Speaker 1: One girl, I love these conversations. Can I just say
Speaker 1: how fucking funny it is? Like when you know, I
Speaker 1: felt so so much shame about talking about sex and
Speaker 1: sexuality and it's just so fucking funny where we can
Speaker 1: just like have a laugh and just isn't it free?
Speaker 1: So free?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And like it?
Speaker 1: Who cares?
Speaker 2: It's like being a gay person. I explained this to
Speaker 2: somebody who was really struggling with their sexuality years ago,
Speaker 2: about five six years ago, and he was this guy
Speaker 2: who came from a Muslim family, and he was talking
Speaker 2: to me about how his family had caught a really
Speaker 2: awkward situation, but they had caught his laptop was open
Speaker 2: and it had like gay porn on it, and that's
Speaker 2: how they sort of uncovered his sexuality. And he was
Speaker 2: like beaten by his family, fuck really yeah, by his
Speaker 2: brothers and basically kicked out and exiled from the family
Speaker 2: because he was gay and they were very strict Morelian family.
Speaker 2: And he was hanging around me at the time, and
Speaker 2: like I was good friends with him, and he was
Speaker 2: a bit younger than me, and I remember saying to him,
Speaker 2: I said, do you know what's so great about being gay?
Speaker 2: Think of it as your superpower? Like we have the
Speaker 2: ability to be able to be Like I'm seeing from
Speaker 2: my point of view, but I feel like as a
Speaker 2: gay person, there's so many things that the society and
Speaker 2: the world layer on top of us that make us
Speaker 2: feel like we don't belong or we're not valued, or
Speaker 2: that we're not great. In my eyes, my gayness is
Speaker 2: my superpower. I feel like I'm a man with the
Speaker 2: mind of a woman.
Speaker 3: And like that to me is like that's like a
Speaker 3: double fucking.
Speaker 2: Win, And I constantly like remind myself how amazing it
Speaker 2: is to be gay, and I see it as the
Speaker 2: cherry on top of my being. And yeah, I just
Speaker 2: remember telling him that. I'm like, it's just superpower, man, Like,
Speaker 2: one day you're going to find the love for who
Speaker 2: you are and your identity and it's going to feel
Speaker 2: like it's your power. Like we are special human beings
Speaker 2: on this planet where we get to experience life in
Speaker 2: a slightly different way than the norm.
Speaker 1: I feel the same. But I feel like my ability,
Speaker 1: or like Slash, my superpower was to feel like the
Speaker 1: love and care for all types of people. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: to love people, you know, through the shit or through Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, writing my book Big Love,
Speaker 1: I feel like that for me was just telling people like,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck who you are, what you are,
Speaker 1: how you do it, as long as you know you
Speaker 1: are a genuine person and you live, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, even people who do are sort of harmful.
Speaker 1: You know, I still live and forgive that, you know,
Speaker 1: I live. Love my mum. She was you know, at
Speaker 1: times quite abusive, but I still love her through that.
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, that for me kind
Speaker 1: of encompasses what the queer community is. Like we hold
Speaker 1: a lot of pride, but we also carry a lot
Speaker 1: of love and care and consideration and compassion. And I
Speaker 1: totally that's the thing I love about being queer, and
Speaker 1: you know, sexuality is such a spectrum of where you're at, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's also the thing that I'm
Speaker 1: most proud of about being black and being queer as well,
Speaker 1: is that I get to sort of experience that range
Speaker 1: of on the spectrum and there's an acceptance of wherever
Speaker 1: you are sitting. There's no really care in that, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what I mean, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's like, well, okay, cool yese, Like
Speaker 1: that's what you are.
Speaker 2: I think, Like when it comes to the intersection, I
Speaker 2: always say like, and I've said this numerous times on
Speaker 2: the podcast, It's like the thing that I love most
Speaker 2: about being alive and being who I am is being
Speaker 2: an aboriginal person because that feeling there's just this deep
Speaker 2: sense of self and identity and belonging that that is
Speaker 2: just it's if you could bottle it and sell it,
Speaker 2: it would be you know, fucking millions and millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: Like that feeling, you know, prices, So that feeling is
Speaker 2: what I see is pride as well. You know. It's
Speaker 2: it's like this, there's this just this strength and this
Speaker 2: spirit that is just your fuel and being able to
Speaker 2: be Aboriginal and then also be gay on top of it.
Speaker 2: It's like I've been given like an extra sprinkle of something,
Speaker 2: you know, and and and like.
Speaker 1: You got layers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got layers, like a thirty layer cake.
Speaker 1: But I'm delicious.
Speaker 3: I just look at me, put on my feet up.
Speaker 2: I literally just want to put my feet up like this,
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, relaxed. I I yeah, I just find
Speaker 2: that being you know, gay and Aboriginal. Yes, it comes with,
Speaker 2: you know, the territory of racism and discrimination and homophobia,
Speaker 2: but the feeling that I get, I would never trade
Speaker 2: that in for anything. So, yeah, Pride Month is here.
Speaker 2: I'm super you know, super keen to you know. The
Speaker 2: thing is Pride Month here feels like it comes a
Speaker 2: little bit late because we celebrate Marti Gart in March.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, it feels like a delay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So as much as it's Pride Month, it's June,
Speaker 2: it's Pride month. We you know, we we're sort of
Speaker 2: ahead of the head of the ball when it comes
Speaker 2: to celebrating you know, the community, because we do it
Speaker 2: in March, but the International Pride Month, so it obviously
Speaker 2: is around the globe, commemorates the Stonewall Riots of June
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine, and that was a pivotal moment and
Speaker 2: movement for the fire for LGBT. You know, Q I
Speaker 2: A plus rights. Every time I hear about the Stonewall riot,
Speaker 2: I think of the RuPaul RuPaul's Drag Race.
Speaker 1: Episode episode when I know what you're talking about, but.
Speaker 2: Who's the Britney Spears impersonator was like, yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: you know, we're doing this for the stone for Stonewall.
Speaker 2: You know, people died and then I don't know who
Speaker 2: it is, but the drag queen goes, no, they didn't,
Speaker 2: No one died.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, the thing is also like being queer,
Speaker 1: Like we're a bit dramatic. Yeah, we tatrifie things a lot,
Speaker 1: but I mean also us as actors. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: like we we do catastrophize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but let's give a bit of context to Stonewall rights.
Speaker 2: So okay, the rights began New York City, where police
Speaker 2: rated the stone Wall in So the stone Wall Inn
Speaker 2: is similar to the Stonewall Inn here in the street.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's a psychonic gay venue. Yeah. The
Speaker 2: raids sparked a ride among bar patrons, enabled residences. Police
Speaker 2: roughly hauled employees and patrons out of the bar, leading
Speaker 2: to six days of protests and violent clashes with law
Speaker 2: enforcement outside the bar. So I think that people, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, forget that when it comes to this, this
Speaker 2: story that you know, this was a really crucial moment
Speaker 2: in you know, gay rights. And it was a moment
Speaker 2: where we started to fight back at the moment where
Speaker 2: we're not going to fucking have this. And and there
Speaker 2: was you know, a major movement after this where it
Speaker 2: you know, sort of snowball effect, people encouraged people to
Speaker 2: stand up for gay rights.
Speaker 1: So exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that that's why it's if we're in June Pride.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we look at back, I guess like
Speaker 1: historically Mardi Gras, that that started off from a right
Speaker 1: right as well.
Speaker 2: Protest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, protest we had you know, we spoke to jaw
Speaker 1: and black men about police and and and I guess
Speaker 1: the complexity of relationship with the community, and I think
Speaker 1: the queer community have definitely felt that complexity at a
Speaker 1: whole another level, especially with police brutality. And you know,
Speaker 1: it sucks that, you know, now we can say, oh,
Speaker 1: Pride Month, let's be proud, but that's come from a
Speaker 1: moment of resistance and not from our own resistance within
Speaker 1: ourselves as a queer community or queer person, resistance from
Speaker 1: other people accepting us. And that's really frustrating, I guess
Speaker 1: to feel and to live with. And you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm so glad and I am proud. I am very
Speaker 1: proud of how far we have come, but also like
Speaker 1: how much we still have to go, and how much
Speaker 1: we have to fight, the continuous fight and battle to
Speaker 1: have these rights and to and yeah, like, yes, we
Speaker 1: have Pride months, but then there's so much complexity and
Speaker 1: nuance to even those months where you know, there's pink
Speaker 1: washing and rainbow washing and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: because organizations jump on and they're like, oh, yeah, we
Speaker 1: celebrate Pride Month, but like they're contributing so much, like
Speaker 1: they're causing also so much harm at the same time,
Speaker 1: and they're sort of covered off by this like, oh no,
Speaker 1: we've got to like we've got a quick person that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, our ambassador, and you're like the fuck. So
Speaker 1: there is so much to that. But I do feel
Speaker 1: very proud. But I also am like, just remember why
Speaker 1: this month is so important, and I guess also just
Speaker 1: extend your knowledge of where this has come from on
Speaker 1: the back of resistance and patriarch patriarchal dominance exactly, and
Speaker 1: police brutality as well. So yeah, I do feel really proud,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I feel proud too.
Speaker 2: I also, you know, understand that, like you know when
Speaker 2: it comes to Mardi Gras in the seventy eight ers
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, and understanding like what the jeeve it
Speaker 2: must feel, you know, remarkable to see the change. You know,
Speaker 2: it must there must be a sense of momentum and
Speaker 2: moving forward for liberation, and it must feel much more
Speaker 2: happy for the younger generation like us who get to
Speaker 2: be accepted in a world you know, mostly accepted. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I believe that no matter how far we push ahead,
Speaker 2: we have to continue that resistance. We have to continue
Speaker 2: to be loud and to be proud, because I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, in society, it only takes a small shift
Speaker 2: to see that you know that the minds and hearts
Speaker 2: of people can you know, revert back to the old ways.
Speaker 2: You know, you think you look across the water in
Speaker 2: the States and you think, like with the election and
Speaker 2: Trump or you think, okay, you think that we're moving forward,
Speaker 2: but how many people are backing you know, a man
Speaker 2: who is just the voice and the face of discrimination.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you gross, no matter.
Speaker 2: How forward we think we've pushed as a society, we
Speaker 2: need to make sure that resistance stays intact because who
Speaker 2: knows what a change of government does. Who knows what?
Speaker 2: You know, if we're not vigilant with our resistance or
Speaker 2: with our protest or with our pride, who knows if
Speaker 2: we can you know, fall back into the old the
Speaker 2: old days.
Speaker 1: Well in a matter of time. And this might sound
Speaker 1: quite morbid and semi harsh as well, but you know,
Speaker 1: we're moving now more into our women, we're millennials moving
Speaker 1: into our thirties. Like eventually there is you know, generations
Speaker 1: are going to die and there are new ways of
Speaker 1: thinking and we have to keep pushing for a more
Speaker 1: progressive thinking and to keep you know, preaching acceptance and
Speaker 1: creativity and love and compassion rather than this like this
Speaker 1: patriarch cool mentality like we need to get rid of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like yeah, we can all sit, you know,
Speaker 1: hold hands in sinkombo yah.
Speaker 4: But like you know, that still work to be done.
Speaker 1: There was so much where to be done.
Speaker 2: I feel like the community and the conversation is changing
Speaker 2: quite a bit when it comes to like how we
Speaker 2: represent ourselves, how we identify, and you know, these things
Speaker 2: like pronouns have come into play and which is a
Speaker 2: great thing. I saw a video last night on TikTok actually,
Speaker 2: and there was this newsreader who was introducing a guest
Speaker 2: and they introduced them by the incorrect pronouns, and the
Speaker 2: guest said, you know, I think her name was Martha
Speaker 2: or something. Hi Martha, you know my correct pronouns, and
Speaker 2: you've chosen not to use them.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've seen this.
Speaker 3: You saw that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she stood up for herself. So she they
Speaker 1: stood up for themselves, sorry, yes.
Speaker 2: They stood up for themselves. Yes, And the newsreader didn't
Speaker 2: back down, you know, they said no, I'm going to
Speaker 2: use correct grammar. And the guest said, well, I find
Speaker 2: that really disrespectful.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you're not listening to me.
Speaker 2: You're not listening to me. You don't see me, you know,
Speaker 2: as an equal. You're not valuing what I you know,
Speaker 2: who I am. And I thought that that was like
Speaker 2: such a great thing to see last night, coming into
Speaker 2: this conversation.
Speaker 1: Especially on media for sure, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: In media, but I wanted to ask you, I know
Speaker 2: your pronouns, but when you come when you come to
Speaker 2: the decision of what pronouns you want to be, you
Speaker 2: know that you wanted to use. Did you have to
Speaker 2: take some time to really think about that or was
Speaker 2: it something that came really naturally.
Speaker 1: I have discussed this with my sych because I came
Speaker 1: pretty quickly to the conclusion. I was like, well, I'm cisgendered.
Speaker 1: I am you know, identify with the genitalia like the
Speaker 1: my you know what I've been given it, you know,
Speaker 1: through birth, and I don't feel like that I feel
Speaker 1: any different to you know, identifying as she her. And
Speaker 1: so we discussed that in you know, the early stages
Speaker 1: of our sessions and then later on, like I was,
Speaker 1: you know, was bringing it up. And I've had you know,
Speaker 1: these really complex, sort of like nuanced sort of conversations
Speaker 1: around gender dysphoria and but no I still feel comfortable
Speaker 1: about identifying with the pronouns she and her, but I
Speaker 1: can imagine I do have thoughts around gender in particular,
Speaker 1: you know that's specifically, but I don't identify anything as
Speaker 1: you know, anything else, but I can. It made me
Speaker 1: really think about how people, Yeah, I guess like the
Speaker 1: spectrum of gender, and that it's not you know, gender
Speaker 1: is a construct. Like I think that's really deep thinking.
Speaker 1: I've had those conversations. But yeah, what about what about you?
Speaker 2: Like, Look, when I was little, I was bullied for
Speaker 2: looking like a girl and and if somebody like.
Speaker 1: So that's that's where my feelings come from too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: So when I was young, I remember always being called
Speaker 2: a girl. It was the way that I spoke, it
Speaker 2: was the way that I acted, It was the fact
Speaker 2: that my mum let me have long hair. I remember
Speaker 2: getting on a bus and the bus lady saying, I'll
Speaker 2: get your little girl on. You know, like, there were
Speaker 2: just so many moments where I felt quite like upset
Speaker 2: and confused because how people were teasing me is and
Speaker 2: how I identified and even my brothers when I was going
Speaker 2: even you know, first years of high school, my brothers
Speaker 2: to get at me would say you act like a girl.
Speaker 2: Stop acting like a girl. So the you know, So
Speaker 2: as I grew up, I actually had a real issue
Speaker 2: with how I felt in my own body and who
Speaker 2: I was. But as I became, you know, more confident
Speaker 2: in myself and as those sort of bullying tactics sort
Speaker 2: of didn't come into my life that much. As I
Speaker 2: got older and I developed into yuggy young man and
Speaker 2: I found my voice and I felt like I you know,
Speaker 2: sort of grew into my masculine energy. I became more
Speaker 2: comfortable in my skin and I definitely identify as he him.
Speaker 2: You know, I've never had an issue with knowing that myself.
Speaker 2: But I think that because I'm a fan, I can
Speaker 2: be feminine and I have feminine energy. And when I
Speaker 2: was younger, I preferred to connect with feminine energy, so
Speaker 2: hang out with girls, maybe play goals, you know, instead
Speaker 2: of being out there playing footy with the boys. So
Speaker 2: there was a lot of like rediscovering myself as I
Speaker 2: became older. But I'm really comfortable in my skin as
Speaker 2: a man. There's you know, I love being a man.
Speaker 2: I'm a man who's attracted to men, and I'm really
Speaker 2: confident in that so for me young, when you're young,
Speaker 2: doesn't it just like some of the stuff when you're
Speaker 2: young just really sticks with you though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listening to your story, and you know,
Speaker 1: if there's anyone who's listening who've also felt those sort
Speaker 1: of feelings, I can definitely relate to them because the
Speaker 1: opposit of that. I was very masculine and I had
Speaker 1: to really maybe only in the last six years of
Speaker 1: being on reality TV have I really come into more
Speaker 1: of a feminine energy. Yeah. Previous to Reality TV, I
Speaker 1: was more of a masculine. I generally didn't have comfortable
Speaker 1: feelings about my body because I had like peck muscles
Speaker 1: and I was really muscly, and I played footy, and
Speaker 1: I preferred being around more like masculine women, and you
Speaker 1: know who were lesbian, who were queer, and they you know,
Speaker 1: accepted me for who I was, so you know, you
Speaker 1: can imagine those feelings. So I really connect with that
Speaker 1: story because I feel that on the opposite scale. And
Speaker 1: then when I was younger too, my mum shaved my
Speaker 1: head when I was eight years old because I had
Speaker 1: knits and school saws.
Speaker 2: Did you have knits? Because we had that done too.
Speaker 4: Exactly and that was did she do it in a bath?
Speaker 1: No, she would have just I don't even know, to
Speaker 1: be fair.
Speaker 2: I can't I remember leaning over the bath.
Speaker 1: But imagine, you know, a year. You know, I'm eight
Speaker 1: years old, I'm still quite developed, and that was quite
Speaker 1: a traumatic experience because then now I've got a shaved head,
Speaker 1: and now everyone's coming up to my mum being like, oh,
Speaker 1: what a beautiful little boy, and you're thinking I'm a girl.
Speaker 2: I'm a girl.
Speaker 1: I'm just a little girl, and those feelings, you know,
Speaker 1: And then so because I did have a shaved hair
Speaker 1: and sort of you know, grew into sort of now
Speaker 1: been a bob, and I I remember the feelings of that.
Speaker 1: I don't have specific memories, but I do have the
Speaker 1: feeling of feeling like I needed to then be masculine
Speaker 1: like my brothers and play fighting. And I was quite
Speaker 1: an emotional kid like but I was taught not to cry,
Speaker 1: which now is you know, affected in you know, it's
Speaker 1: affecting me my my adult life because I've bottled some
Speaker 1: feelings that I didn't know that I felt anyways. But
Speaker 1: like what I'm trying to say is I have felt
Speaker 1: that on a on that level. What you talk about
Speaker 1: that the confusion and the frustration and the uncomfortableness about
Speaker 1: you know, someone saying that you're something but you don't
Speaker 1: feel that. But then you know everyone is saying like
Speaker 1: feeling that. You know, it just it confuses me. And
Speaker 1: I think, like I now understand that gender is a
Speaker 1: spectrum as well, in terms of like, you know, where
Speaker 1: you would like to lie, whether you want to be
Speaker 1: more feminine, energy and masculine.
Speaker 4: Like you can be in anywood.
Speaker 2: It's so for me, like I got when I go home,
Speaker 2: all home on the weekend. So I went home and
Speaker 2: I got to spend you know, some time with the family.
Speaker 2: When I go home. You know, I'm a bit of
Speaker 2: a chameleon, So whatever environment I walk into, I can
Speaker 2: sort of adapt. And I think that's just who I am,
Speaker 2: you know, So going home, you know, I become a
Speaker 2: little bit more I would say, the rough, you know,
Speaker 2: like how I switching. But also you know when you're
Speaker 2: in different environments, you wear different hats. You know, when
Speaker 2: I'm home, I'm a little bit more I would say,
Speaker 2: a little bit more masculine, yeah, and a little bit
Speaker 2: more you know, country, a little bit more rough how
Speaker 2: I speak like I was saying.
Speaker 3: Things then like dialogue exactly.
Speaker 2: I took my boyfriend home for the first time to
Speaker 2: meet my family and it was so nice. But in
Speaker 2: the car he had heard things that I wouldn't normally
Speaker 2: say in.
Speaker 3: Sydney, you know, so like watch what you mean? What
Speaker 3: you mean? Like you know, like normally I say what
Speaker 3: do you mean?
Speaker 2: And like watch your like little little things that just
Speaker 2: like change when you're in a different environment, you know.
Speaker 1: So so like I'm saying, oh, like never mind, like
Speaker 1: I said on.
Speaker 5: Bar Or, I'm like, yeah, come here, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So like hearing like me, you know, sort of you know,
Speaker 2: sort of change a little bit when I went home.
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, the different hats you wear. You
Speaker 2: get the friend hat and work colleague hat.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: My boyfriend gets the boyfriend hat, my family get the brother,
Speaker 2: the son hat, the uncle hat.
Speaker 4: Like it's good modes.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah. And I love being able to come
Speaker 2: in and out of the in and out of those
Speaker 2: parts of myself. But when it comes to my masculine,
Speaker 2: feminine energy, I really love being fluid. I love being
Speaker 2: if I'm around a group of women or gay men,
Speaker 2: I'm super gay, you know, like I'm super gay, so
Speaker 2: like a superhero, I am super gay.
Speaker 1: But also your your voice and your body tell you
Speaker 1: as well where you feel safe, I think, don't you reckon? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So like right now, like I'm relaxed. You know, I've
Speaker 1: been doing this for however long with you, and we
Speaker 1: have a great relationship.
Speaker 2: I remember when you were really really relaxed on the
Speaker 2: Gold Coast.
Speaker 3: We needed a fart.
Speaker 1: Bring that up again?
Speaker 3: That up now, I've been telling you too much part
Speaker 3: content anyway, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, fucking funny, but you know, like that's that's comfortableness,
Speaker 1: that's safety, that's friendship, that's joy, that's happiness.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been You was talking about being a
Speaker 2: little bit confused, like and this isn't me saying that
Speaker 2: you are, but a little bit earlier when you come
Speaker 2: to your how you identify? Have you changed how you
Speaker 2: identify because of the pressures of the world or any
Speaker 2: sort of outward influence, because I know where you had
Speaker 2: a hard time going through the bachelorette because people were like,
Speaker 2: she's by, she's pants, she's lesbian, she's gay, so like
Speaker 2: hold titles. Yeah, yeah, has that influenced how you feel
Speaker 2: or have you always been steadfast? And how you feel
Speaker 2: and you know, and that's just it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know how I feel? Was Actually it's
Speaker 1: frustration because I I knew that this was always going
Speaker 1: to be a big deal, right, and I kind of
Speaker 1: got you I feel like, you know, and I love
Speaker 1: Channel ten and I have a negative thing to say
Speaker 1: about them, but I feel like I kind of got
Speaker 1: used in sense where it was like, we're used for
Speaker 1: my sexuality. And that was the frustration part, because they
Speaker 1: knew that I wouldn't do the show unless I, you know,
Speaker 1: felt like it was going to really represent my attraction
Speaker 1: and what I was actually looking for in terms of
Speaker 1: a person, and that had a spectrum, and I wanted
Speaker 1: a spectrum of people. I wanted a range of people
Speaker 1: because I don't I know who I love, but I
Speaker 1: also don't care what they are, and so yeah, it
Speaker 1: makes it hard to cast for that if you like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm looking for because if you
Speaker 1: just say a man, I'm looking for a man. But
Speaker 1: if you say I'm looking for whatever, they don't know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a very that was a very complex season,
Speaker 1: Like if you actually unpack it, you know and if
Speaker 1: you've got a you know, critical thinking brain, the pressure
Speaker 1: that I had on me was intense, like to execute that,
Speaker 1: and yes, I did it to a standard that was
Speaker 1: I guess, organic, natural, you know, authentic to who I am.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, suality is so complex and
Speaker 1: well it doesn't need to be complex, but I was
Speaker 1: kind of boxed into bisexuality. And if you ask any
Speaker 1: of my football friends or my girlfriends who are lesbian, gay,
Speaker 1: queer by pan sexual, they'll just say, like, Brook was
Speaker 1: just Brooke and she was just I was just young
Speaker 1: as well and experiencing like love from different people, and
Speaker 1: no matter who they were, I didn't really give a fuck.
Speaker 1: I looked at a person for their personality, their values,
Speaker 1: who they were inside, didn't give a fuck what they
Speaker 1: were on the outside. And this is where I'm feeling
Speaker 1: the frustration is because that sort of fits the pant sexuality.
Speaker 1: You know. Again, it's boxing yourself. And I don't be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm Brook Blatton, I'm pan sexual. When I introduced myself,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Hi, I'm Brook Blatin. I'm a proud nunga
Speaker 1: yamagi woman. That is what I am. Absolutely, you know what,
Speaker 1: And I don't have to say cisgender woman. I'm giving
Speaker 1: you I'm a woman, like you know, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: and I'm saying I'm Nunga. That's my cultural identity and
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of it. And I say proud at
Speaker 1: the start of that because I want you to know
Speaker 1: that is how I identify, that is how I introduce myself.
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you who I'm fucking fuck me,
Speaker 1: No one goes, oh, you know what, I'm fucking a
Speaker 1: cisgendered male last night, and you know he's also experiencing
Speaker 1: his bisexual Like who the fuck cares? Like do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And I love Pride Month, like
Speaker 1: yell it out, whatever, do whatever. But I'm just so
Speaker 1: frustrated with this narrative of like I need to box
Speaker 1: myself into this bisexuality because also queerness is so different,
Speaker 1: and I think people also assume this is also I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever felt this, like there is
Speaker 1: a typical stereotype of what a gay man is, Like right, yeah.
Speaker 3: What do you mean are you talking about me?
Speaker 1: Queer people explain into that as well, We're fucking bad
Speaker 1: for it, because I'm like, what do you mean, you know, like,
Speaker 1: damn it, but that's robe race.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love being super gay sometimes love it.
Speaker 4: Fuck it.
Speaker 3: I have a friend and I do this.
Speaker 1: I guess, yes, which if only is fake hair. Daniel
Speaker 1: does the same thing as my best friend, and I
Speaker 1: love him for it. It doesn't you know, And sometimes
Speaker 1: he can be really masculine. You can be really masculine
Speaker 1: and I don't give a fuck. But for me as
Speaker 1: a bisexual woman, and I guess as a queer woman,
Speaker 1: I get messages occasionally it would just be like oh
Speaker 1: you like like, oh, you're not even gay, like you know,
Speaker 1: like or whimen's last time you dn't a girl?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Or you're just dating straight man like all the fun
Speaker 1: am I just like, who fucking cares? Who cares?
Speaker 3: Totally?
Speaker 1: I think as a bisexual woman, says.
Speaker 2: The guy who asked you this twenty minutes ago, When
Speaker 2: was the last time you.
Speaker 4: Had had my face? Like yeah, like fuck off?
Speaker 1: Who cares?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: But you know that's you're my friend, and I feel
Speaker 1: comfortable and I feel that you're not asking that to
Speaker 1: seek gossip. You're just like interested, You're actually curious, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh I love that. But yes, I think
Speaker 1: this is I actually have this thought occasionally right about
Speaker 1: I'm meant to give off these like real like camp
Speaker 1: queer vibes like rainbow everything, and like yeah, I'm meant
Speaker 1: to be like dressed like real mass and like you know,
Speaker 1: like like I think the bisexual woman is meant to
Speaker 1: not meant to but stereotypically I'm using that word box
Speaker 1: you into this like real like like swag like fuck yeah,
Speaker 1: like yeah yeah yeah, snap, like you know, like snap
Speaker 1: that tent, and I'm like, that's not fucking me. I'm
Speaker 1: really in my feminine energy and I fucking love it
Speaker 1: because I worked hard to get here from all the
Speaker 1: shit that I've had to deal with where I've had
Speaker 1: to be in a masculine energy and like a whole
Speaker 1: myself to a certain standard. I'm like fucking letting that go. Hello,
Speaker 1: I'm in my feminine fuck you, but like therefore I'm
Speaker 1: not gay, Therefore I don't fuck girls, Therefore I'm not
Speaker 1: attracted to girls. I'm still fucking I can tell you now,
Speaker 1: I'm still fucking attractive to girls. When I masturbate, I
Speaker 1: watch lesbian porn. I don't give a fuck, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm not. I don't watch straight poward.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still obviously very much so attracted to women,
Speaker 1: and that's never going to go away. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: get frustrated at this like narrative that like I must
Speaker 1: be a certain way because I am bisexual, and like,
Speaker 1: well know, like I love kissing girls, I love looking possy.
Speaker 1: I also love sucking dick, and I also love like
Speaker 1: I just don't care.
Speaker 4: I really don't care.
Speaker 2: I'd be pride.
Speaker 1: Is so funny anyways, But yeah, what sexually? What sexuality?
Speaker 1: Do I identify now as ocean?
Speaker 2: Ocean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm an ocean. I'm fluid, I'm just wet.
Speaker 4: There's na right now.
Speaker 1: The door is closed to a lot of things. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just I'm working on my myself. I'd
Speaker 1: so fucking corny, but I hate it and I love
Speaker 1: it at the same time.
Speaker 2: But I love that you are constantly evolving, you know,
Speaker 2: you're constantly sort of doing the in wood work.
Speaker 3: I think that's really good.
Speaker 1: I just want to level up, and I in order
Speaker 1: to find love or to feel love, I need to
Speaker 1: really love myself. And yeah, I really did think that
Speaker 1: I did love myself, but I think I've neglected parts
Speaker 1: of myself too, and I'm not neglecting my sexuality. I've never, ever,
Speaker 1: not I've really, you know, openly celebrated that. And that's
Speaker 1: obviously why Pride Month reminds me, like, I am really
Speaker 1: proud to be queer. I fucking love that I accept
Speaker 1: people for who they are and not what they are,
Speaker 1: and that will never change about me, and I don't
Speaker 1: think it will change about you. I think we both
Speaker 1: celebrate that equally, like with such an intensity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or I had a moment on the weekend where
Speaker 2: I felt really proud because I took my partner home
Speaker 2: to my niece and nephew's place and they have a
Speaker 2: gay uncle me and a lesbian auntie on their other side.
Speaker 2: And so in the house there was my brother and
Speaker 2: his fiance and then his fiancees Georgie and her sister
Speaker 2: and her partner were there, and my partner was there.
Speaker 2: So there was two gay couples and you know, a
Speaker 2: heterosexual couple and my niece and nephews running around the
Speaker 2: house like nothing is any different. And then when I
Speaker 2: dropped Denny off, so the kids are in the back,
Speaker 2: I dropped Denny off, and I gave him a kiss
Speaker 2: and he got out of the car and my little nephew, Guys,
Speaker 2: that's disgusting. And I thought that he was talking about
Speaker 2: us being gay, and you know what the next words,
Speaker 2: that's disgusting how adults say goodbye to each other. Like
Speaker 2: I thought that it was going to be like you
Speaker 2: two men, you know, but no, he was saying that,
Speaker 2: you know, when adults say goodbye to each other, they
Speaker 2: give each other a kiss, and that's just you know, disgusting.
Speaker 5: And that was his reaction, not about us like goodbyes. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he doesn't like adults kissing, not about us being gay.
Speaker 5: And I just felt like, wow, like it's so normalized
Speaker 5: in their world that I love.
Speaker 2: This and it makes me feel really proud to know that,
Speaker 2: like they're getting you know, insight into what it's like
Speaker 2: for a gay couple. And also you know, they will
Speaker 2: grow up without having any questions about you know, or
Speaker 2: discrimination towards you know, gay people because they see it.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: Yeh, such love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it was beautiful and it made me
Speaker 2: want kids. Going home on the weekend made me want
Speaker 2: kids bad. It, I know, like I seriously feel like
Speaker 2: as a gay I'm going to be like a gay
Speaker 2: dad soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can soon. I really say that for you.
Speaker 2: I feel like in the next two years I'm going
Speaker 2: to have a baby. Yeah, I already started following, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Scott, I did say to you, if you want
Speaker 1: me to have a baby, I can. I will do
Speaker 1: the practical part of it.
Speaker 2: But wait, don't you have to have your baby first?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah? Is that just like I'll just have it
Speaker 1: and give it to you as if you would, you'd
Speaker 1: be keeping that baby, you know, I would never I
Speaker 1: would know like no, that that's it. That's surrogancy. But
Speaker 1: also surrogency is are apparently legal illegal in Australia.
Speaker 2: Well, if we flew to another country, would you give
Speaker 2: me an egg?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would give you whatever.
Speaker 2: That would be amazing. Okay, let's yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: that's maybe a good place to yeah, wrap it up.
Speaker 1: What well, yeah, I mean that in itself right, talking
Speaker 1: about you know, surrogency and queer babies, and you know
Speaker 1: you're being a queer dad, like you're just a dad
Speaker 1: as well, by the way, you don't have to be like,
Speaker 1: oh I'm a queer dad. I just well, do you
Speaker 1: want to be a father?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be a dad soon. And it's
Speaker 2: like going home and being with my nieces and nephews
Speaker 2: just keeps on making me think, Okay, need to start
Speaker 2: the process. So I actually followed, you know, Scott Sassy Scott.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just had to.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to start talking to Scott about the
Speaker 2: process because that looked like they went through a really
Speaker 2: great process. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The babies are beautiful as well. Yeah. Well that's all
Speaker 1: we have time for today. Ending on a beautiful note there,
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