WEBVTT - Our Pronouns and How We Identify

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<v Speaker 1>It's pride month. It's pride month.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pride.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be all pride. Give me some pride, pride, pride.

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<v Speaker 2>Pride, Yeah, drop the pride.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome the first things first, I'm bloting. My pronouns are

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<v Speaker 1>she and her.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Maddy meals. My pronouns are heat and him. And

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<v Speaker 2>before we get started, we'd like to acknowledge the custodians

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<v Speaker 2>of the land on which we record. And for me

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<v Speaker 2>today that's the gaigle people of the orination.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me it's a hundred people of the cooler nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to act like a wrapper.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I know the cooling nations. Actually we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>cool killed. It's a cool month.

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<v Speaker 4>This month, it's the jojo See what a month?

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<v Speaker 1>Come as a bet?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh god? It is?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you proud? Are you proud?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm proud and I'm an ally for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm black, I'm loud and I'm proud.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Go on, that's your new book coming out next to year.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally that's the black mantra of my life. I'm black,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm proud.

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<v Speaker 3>Play out, Yeah, you've been play out?

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<v Speaker 1>What is Pride month? Around it? I'll take what I

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<v Speaker 1>can get.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. Speaking of Pride Month, when was the

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<v Speaker 2>last time you've had your face in a vagina?

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<v Speaker 1>A containa? A Kataina, tell me about it? Very tough,

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<v Speaker 1>Like do you want to know the details?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is that like spill the tea? Babe, were here,

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<v Speaker 3>we're talking about Pride month.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a it's been a blow, I mean probably yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>God it was twenty twenty two, No way, no, no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>life twenty twenty three. Sorry, sorry you haven't earlier last year?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you haven't flexed your your gay muscle in like

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<v Speaker 2>six months? I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon my like I need to do a tongue

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<v Speaker 1>stretch and I need to do like some finger exercises.

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<v Speaker 1>One girl, I love these conversations. Can I just say

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<v Speaker 1>how fucking funny it is? Like when you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>felt so so much shame about talking about sex and

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<v Speaker 1>sexuality and it's just so fucking funny where we can

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<v Speaker 1>just like have a laugh and just isn't it free?

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<v Speaker 1>So free?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And like it?

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like being a gay person. I explained this to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who was really struggling with their sexuality years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>about five six years ago, and he was this guy

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<v Speaker 2>who came from a Muslim family, and he was talking

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<v Speaker 2>to me about how his family had caught a really

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<v Speaker 2>awkward situation, but they had caught his laptop was open

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<v Speaker 2>and it had like gay porn on it, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>how they sort of uncovered his sexuality. And he was

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<v Speaker 2>like beaten by his family, fuck really yeah, by his

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<v Speaker 2>brothers and basically kicked out and exiled from the family

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<v Speaker 2>because he was gay and they were very strict Morelian family.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was hanging around me at the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>like I was good friends with him, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>a bit younger than me, and I remember saying to him,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, do you know what's so great about being gay?

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<v Speaker 2>Think of it as your superpower? Like we have the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to be able to be Like I'm seeing from

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<v Speaker 2>my point of view, but I feel like as a

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<v Speaker 2>gay person, there's so many things that the society and

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<v Speaker 2>the world layer on top of us that make us

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we don't belong or we're not valued, or

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<v Speaker 2>that we're not great. In my eyes, my gayness is

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<v Speaker 2>my superpower. I feel like I'm a man with the

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<v Speaker 2>mind of a woman.

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<v Speaker 3>And like that to me is like that's like a

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<v Speaker 3>double fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Win, And I constantly like remind myself how amazing it

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<v Speaker 2>is to be gay, and I see it as the

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<v Speaker 2>cherry on top of my being. And yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 2>remember telling him that. I'm like, it's just superpower, man, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>one day you're going to find the love for who

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<v Speaker 2>you are and your identity and it's going to feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it's your power. Like we are special human beings

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<v Speaker 2>on this planet where we get to experience life in

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<v Speaker 2>a slightly different way than the norm.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel the same. But I feel like my ability,

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<v Speaker 1>or like Slash, my superpower was to feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>love and care for all types of people. Yeah, to

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<v Speaker 1>to love people, you know, through the shit or through Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like, you know, writing my book Big Love,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that for me was just telling people like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't give a fuck who you are, what you are,

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<v Speaker 1>how you do it, as long as you know you

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<v Speaker 1>are a genuine person and you live, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even people who do are sort of harmful.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I still live and forgive that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I live. Love my mum. She was you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>times quite abusive, but I still love her through that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that you know, that for me kind

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<v Speaker 1>of encompasses what the queer community is. Like we hold

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of pride, but we also carry a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of love and care and consideration and compassion. And I

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<v Speaker 1>totally that's the thing I love about being queer, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sexuality is such a spectrum of where you're at, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think that's also the thing that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>most proud of about being black and being queer as well,

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<v Speaker 1>is that I get to sort of experience that range

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<v Speaker 1>of on the spectrum and there's an acceptance of wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you are sitting. There's no really care in that, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know what I mean, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like it's like, well, okay, cool yese, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you are.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Like when it comes to the intersection, I

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<v Speaker 2>always say like, and I've said this numerous times on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, It's like the thing that I love most

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<v Speaker 2>about being alive and being who I am is being

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<v Speaker 2>an aboriginal person because that feeling there's just this deep

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<v Speaker 2>sense of self and identity and belonging that that is

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<v Speaker 2>just it's if you could bottle it and sell it,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be you know, fucking millions and millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that feeling, you know, prices, So that feeling is

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<v Speaker 2>what I see is pride as well. You know. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's like this, there's this just this strength and this

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<v Speaker 2>spirit that is just your fuel and being able to

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<v Speaker 2>be Aboriginal and then also be gay on top of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I've been given like an extra sprinkle of something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and and and like.

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<v Speaker 1>You got layers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got layers, like a thirty layer cake.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm delicious.

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<v Speaker 3>I just look at me, put on my feet up.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally just want to put my feet up like this,

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, yeah, relaxed. I I yeah, I just find

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<v Speaker 2>that being you know, gay and Aboriginal. Yes, it comes with,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the territory of racism and discrimination and homophobia,

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<v Speaker 2>but the feeling that I get, I would never trade

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<v Speaker 2>that in for anything. So, yeah, Pride Month is here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm super you know, super keen to you know. The

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<v Speaker 2>thing is Pride Month here feels like it comes a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit late because we celebrate Marti Gart in March.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, it feels like a delay.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So as much as it's Pride Month, it's June,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Pride month. We you know, we we're sort of

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of the head of the ball when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrating you know, the community, because we do it

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<v Speaker 2>in March, but the International Pride Month, so it obviously

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<v Speaker 2>is around the globe, commemorates the Stonewall Riots of June

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty nine, and that was a pivotal moment and

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<v Speaker 2>movement for the fire for LGBT. You know, Q I

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<v Speaker 2>A plus rights. Every time I hear about the Stonewall riot,

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<v Speaker 2>I think of the RuPaul RuPaul's Drag Race.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode episode when I know what you're talking about, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's the Britney Spears impersonator was like, yeah, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're doing this for the stone for Stonewall.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, people died and then I don't know who

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<v Speaker 2>it is, but the drag queen goes, no, they didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>No one died.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, the thing is also like being queer,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're a bit dramatic. Yeah, we tatrifie things a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean also us as actors. Yeah, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like we we do catastrophize.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but let's give a bit of context to Stonewall rights.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, the rights began New York City, where police

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<v Speaker 2>rated the stone Wall in So the stone Wall Inn

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<v Speaker 2>is similar to the Stonewall Inn here in the street.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's a psychonic gay venue. Yeah. The

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<v Speaker 2>raids sparked a ride among bar patrons, enabled residences. Police

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<v Speaker 2>roughly hauled employees and patrons out of the bar, leading

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<v Speaker 2>to six days of protests and violent clashes with law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement outside the bar. So I think that people, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, forget that when it comes to this, this

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<v Speaker 2>story that you know, this was a really crucial moment

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<v Speaker 2>in you know, gay rights. And it was a moment

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<v Speaker 2>where we started to fight back at the moment where

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to fucking have this. And and there

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, a major movement after this where it

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of snowball effect, people encouraged people to

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<v Speaker 2>stand up for gay rights.

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<v Speaker 1>So exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that that's why it's if we're in June Pride.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if we look at back, I guess like

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<v Speaker 1>historically Mardi Gras, that that started off from a right

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<v Speaker 1>right as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Protest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, protest we had you know, we spoke to jaw

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<v Speaker 1>and black men about police and and and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the complexity of relationship with the community, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the queer community have definitely felt that complexity at a

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<v Speaker 1>whole another level, especially with police brutality. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it sucks that, you know, now we can say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Pride Month, let's be proud, but that's come from a

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<v Speaker 1>moment of resistance and not from our own resistance within

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves as a queer community or queer person, resistance from

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<v Speaker 1>other people accepting us. And that's really frustrating, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>to feel and to live with. And you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad and I am proud. I am very

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<v Speaker 1>proud of how far we have come, but also like

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<v Speaker 1>how much we still have to go, and how much

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<v Speaker 1>we have to fight, the continuous fight and battle to

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<v Speaker 1>have these rights and to and yeah, like, yes, we

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<v Speaker 1>have Pride months, but then there's so much complexity and

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<v Speaker 1>nuance to even those months where you know, there's pink

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<v Speaker 1>washing and rainbow washing and all that sort of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>because organizations jump on and they're like, oh, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate Pride Month, but like they're contributing so much, like

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<v Speaker 1>they're causing also so much harm at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're sort of covered off by this like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to like we've got a quick person that's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, our ambassador, and you're like the fuck. So

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<v Speaker 1>there is so much to that. But I do feel

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<v Speaker 1>very proud. But I also am like, just remember why

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<v Speaker 1>this month is so important, and I guess also just

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<v Speaker 1>extend your knowledge of where this has come from on

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<v Speaker 1>the back of resistance and patriarch patriarchal dominance exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>police brutality as well. So yeah, I do feel really proud,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, yeah, I feel proud too.

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<v Speaker 2>I also, you know, understand that, like you know when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to Mardi Gras in the seventy eight ers

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, yeah, and understanding like what the jeeve it

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<v Speaker 2>must feel, you know, remarkable to see the change. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it must there must be a sense of momentum and

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<v Speaker 2>moving forward for liberation, and it must feel much more

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<v Speaker 2>happy for the younger generation like us who get to

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<v Speaker 2>be accepted in a world you know, mostly accepted. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that no matter how far we push ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to continue that resistance. We have to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to be loud and to be proud, because I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in society, it only takes a small shift

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<v Speaker 2>to see that you know that the minds and hearts

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<v Speaker 2>of people can you know, revert back to the old ways.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you think you look across the water in

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<v Speaker 2>the States and you think, like with the election and

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<v Speaker 2>Trump or you think, okay, you think that we're moving forward,

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<v Speaker 2>but how many people are backing you know, a man

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<v Speaker 2>who is just the voice and the face of discrimination.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So you gross, no matter.

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<v Speaker 2>How forward we think we've pushed as a society, we

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<v Speaker 2>need to make sure that resistance stays intact because who

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<v Speaker 2>knows what a change of government does. Who knows what?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if we're not vigilant with our resistance or

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<v Speaker 2>with our protest or with our pride, who knows if

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<v Speaker 2>we can you know, fall back into the old the

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<v Speaker 2>old days.

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<v Speaker 1>Well in a matter of time. And this might sound

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<v Speaker 1>quite morbid and semi harsh as well, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're moving now more into our women, we're millennials moving

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<v Speaker 1>into our thirties. Like eventually there is you know, generations

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<v Speaker 1>are going to die and there are new ways of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking and we have to keep pushing for a more

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<v Speaker 1>progressive thinking and to keep you know, preaching acceptance and

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<v Speaker 1>creativity and love and compassion rather than this like this

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<v Speaker 1>patriarch cool mentality like we need to get rid of. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like yeah, we can all sit, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hold hands in sinkombo yah.

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<v Speaker 4>But like you know, that still work to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>There was so much where to be done.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the community and the conversation is changing

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit when it comes to like how we

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<v Speaker 2>represent ourselves, how we identify, and you know, these things

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<v Speaker 2>like pronouns have come into play and which is a

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<v Speaker 2>great thing. I saw a video last night on TikTok actually,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was this newsreader who was introducing a guest

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<v Speaker 2>and they introduced them by the incorrect pronouns, and the

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<v Speaker 2>guest said, you know, I think her name was Martha

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<v Speaker 2>or something. Hi Martha, you know my correct pronouns, and

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<v Speaker 2>you've chosen not to use them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I've seen this.

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<v Speaker 3>You saw that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she stood up for herself. So she they

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<v Speaker 1>stood up for themselves, sorry, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>They stood up for themselves. Yes, And the newsreader didn't

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<v Speaker 2>back down, you know, they said no, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>use correct grammar. And the guest said, well, I find

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<v Speaker 2>that really disrespectful.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, you're not listening to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not listening to me. You don't see me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as an equal. You're not valuing what I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>who I am. And I thought that that was like

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<v Speaker 2>such a great thing to see last night, coming into

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially on media for sure, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>In media, but I wanted to ask you, I know

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<v Speaker 2>your pronouns, but when you come when you come to

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<v Speaker 2>the decision of what pronouns you want to be, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that you wanted to use. Did you have to

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<v Speaker 2>take some time to really think about that or was

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<v Speaker 2>it something that came really naturally.

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<v Speaker 1>I have discussed this with my sych because I came

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly to the conclusion. I was like, well, I'm cisgendered.

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<v Speaker 1>I am you know, identify with the genitalia like the

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<v Speaker 1>my you know what I've been given it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>through birth, and I don't feel like that I feel

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<v Speaker 1>any different to you know, identifying as she her. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we discussed that in you know, the early stages

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<v Speaker 1>of our sessions and then later on, like I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, was bringing it up. And I've had you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these really complex, sort of like nuanced sort of conversations

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<v Speaker 1>around gender dysphoria and but no I still feel comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>about identifying with the pronouns she and her, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine I do have thoughts around gender in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's specifically, but I don't identify anything as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, anything else, but I can. It made me

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<v Speaker 1>really think about how people, Yeah, I guess like the

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum of gender, and that it's not you know, gender

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<v Speaker 1>is a construct. Like I think that's really deep thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had those conversations. But yeah, what about what about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, Look, when I was little, I was bullied for

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<v Speaker 2>looking like a girl and and if somebody like.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's where my feelings come from too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I was young, I remember always being called

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<v Speaker 2>a girl. It was the way that I spoke, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the way that I acted, It was the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that my mum let me have long hair. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>getting on a bus and the bus lady saying, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get your little girl on. You know, like, there were

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<v Speaker 2>just so many moments where I felt quite like upset

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<v Speaker 2>and confused because how people were teasing me is and

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<v Speaker 2>how I identified and even my brothers when I was going

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<v Speaker 2>even you know, first years of high school, my brothers

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<v Speaker 2>to get at me would say you act like a girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop acting like a girl. So the you know, So

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<v Speaker 2>as I grew up, I actually had a real issue

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<v Speaker 2>with how I felt in my own body and who

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<v Speaker 2>I was. But as I became, you know, more confident

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<v Speaker 2>in myself and as those sort of bullying tactics sort

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<v Speaker 2>of didn't come into my life that much. As I

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<v Speaker 2>got older and I developed into yuggy young man and

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<v Speaker 2>I found my voice and I felt like I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of grew into my masculine energy. I became more

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable in my skin and I definitely identify as he him.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've never had an issue with knowing that myself.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that because I'm a fan, I can

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<v Speaker 2>be feminine and I have feminine energy. And when I

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<v Speaker 2>was younger, I preferred to connect with feminine energy, so

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<v Speaker 2>hang out with girls, maybe play goals, you know, instead

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<v Speaker 2>of being out there playing footy with the boys. So

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of like rediscovering myself as I

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<v Speaker 2>became older. But I'm really comfortable in my skin as

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<v Speaker 2>a man. There's you know, I love being a man.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a man who's attracted to men, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 2>confident in that so for me young, when you're young,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't it just like some of the stuff when you're

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<v Speaker 2>young just really sticks with you though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean listening to your story, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's anyone who's listening who've also felt those sort

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<v Speaker 1>of feelings, I can definitely relate to them because the

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<v Speaker 1>opposit of that. I was very masculine and I had

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<v Speaker 1>to really maybe only in the last six years of

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<v Speaker 1>being on reality TV have I really come into more

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<v Speaker 1>of a feminine energy. Yeah. Previous to Reality TV, I

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<v Speaker 1>was more of a masculine. I generally didn't have comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>feelings about my body because I had like peck muscles

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<v Speaker 1>and I was really muscly, and I played footy, and

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<v Speaker 1>I preferred being around more like masculine women, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know who were lesbian, who were queer, and they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>accepted me for who I was, so you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine those feelings. So I really connect with that

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<v Speaker 1>story because I feel that on the opposite scale. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when I was younger too, my mum shaved my

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<v Speaker 1>head when I was eight years old because I had

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<v Speaker 1>knits and school saws.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have knits? Because we had that done too.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly and that was did she do it in a bath?

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<v Speaker 1>No, she would have just I don't even know, to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't I remember leaning over the bath.

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<v Speaker 1>But imagine, you know, a year. You know, I'm eight

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<v Speaker 1>years old, I'm still quite developed, and that was quite

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<v Speaker 1>a traumatic experience because then now I've got a shaved head,

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<v Speaker 1>and now everyone's coming up to my mum being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what a beautiful little boy, and you're thinking I'm a girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just a little girl, and those feelings, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And then so because I did have a shaved hair

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of you know, grew into sort of now

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<v Speaker 1>been a bob, and I I remember the feelings of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have specific memories, but I do have the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling of feeling like I needed to then be masculine

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<v Speaker 1>like my brothers and play fighting. And I was quite

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<v Speaker 1>an emotional kid like but I was taught not to cry,

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<v Speaker 1>which now is you know, affected in you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>affecting me my my adult life because I've bottled some

0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.679
<v Speaker 1>feelings that I didn't know that I felt anyways. But

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<v Speaker 1>like what I'm trying to say is I have felt

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<v Speaker 1>that on a on that level. What you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that the confusion and the frustration and the uncomfortableness about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, someone saying that you're something but you don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel that. But then you know everyone is saying like

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that. You know, it just it confuses me. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, like I now understand that gender is a

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum as well, in terms of like, you know, where

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<v Speaker 1>you would like to lie, whether you want to be

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<v Speaker 1>more feminine, energy and masculine.

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<v Speaker 4>Like you can be in anywood.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so for me, like I got when I go home,

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<v Speaker 2>all home on the weekend. So I went home and

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<v Speaker 2>I got to spend you know, some time with the family.

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<v Speaker 2>When I go home. You know, I'm a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a chameleon, So whatever environment I walk into, I can

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<v Speaker 2>sort of adapt. And I think that's just who I am,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, So going home, you know, I become a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more I would say, the rough, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like how I switching. But also you know when you're

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<v Speaker 2>in different environments, you wear different hats. You know, when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm home, I'm a little bit more I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more masculine, yeah, and a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more you know, country, a little bit more rough how

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<v Speaker 2>I speak like I was saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Things then like dialogue exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I took my boyfriend home for the first time to

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<v Speaker 2>meet my family and it was so nice. But in

0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.439
<v Speaker 2>the car he had heard things that I wouldn't normally

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<v Speaker 2>say in.

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<v Speaker 3>Sydney, you know, so like watch what you mean? What

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<v Speaker 3>you mean? Like you know, like normally I say what

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<v Speaker 3>do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And like watch your like little little things that just

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<v Speaker 2>like change when you're in a different environment, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So so like I'm saying, oh, like never mind, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said on.

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<v Speaker 5>Bar Or, I'm like, yeah, come here, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So like hearing like me, you know, sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of change a little bit when I went home.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just, you know, the different hats you wear. You

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<v Speaker 2>get the friend hat and work colleague hat.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>My boyfriend gets the boyfriend hat, my family get the brother,

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<v Speaker 2>the son hat, the uncle hat.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's good modes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah yeah. And I love being able to come

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 2>in and out of the in and out of those

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<v Speaker 2>parts of myself. But when it comes to my masculine,

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 2>feminine energy, I really love being fluid. I love being

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.680
<v Speaker 2>if I'm around a group of women or gay men,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm super gay, you know, like I'm super gay, so

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<v Speaker 2>like a superhero, I am super gay.

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<v Speaker 1>But also your your voice and your body tell you

0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:36.040
<v Speaker 1>as well where you feel safe, I think, don't you reckon? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So like right now, like I'm relaxed. You know, I've

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 1>been doing this for however long with you, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have a great relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when you were really really relaxed on the

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<v Speaker 2>Gold Coast.

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<v Speaker 3>We needed a fart.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring that up again?

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<v Speaker 3>That up now, I've been telling you too much part

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<v Speaker 3>content anyway, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know, fucking funny, but you know, like that's that's comfortableness,

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 1>that's safety, that's friendship, that's joy, that's happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever been You was talking about being a

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:14.159
<v Speaker 2>little bit confused, like and this isn't me saying that

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<v Speaker 2>you are, but a little bit earlier when you come

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 2>to your how you identify? Have you changed how you

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.840
<v Speaker 2>identify because of the pressures of the world or any

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 2>sort of outward influence, because I know where you had

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time going through the bachelorette because people were like,

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<v Speaker 2>she's by, she's pants, she's lesbian, she's gay, so like

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<v Speaker 2>hold titles. Yeah, yeah, has that influenced how you feel

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<v Speaker 2>or have you always been steadfast? And how you feel

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, and that's just it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you know how I feel? Was Actually it's

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<v Speaker 1>frustration because I I knew that this was always going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a big deal, right, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>got you I feel like, you know, and I love

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<v Speaker 1>Channel ten and I have a negative thing to say

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<v Speaker 1>about them, but I feel like I kind of got

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<v Speaker 1>used in sense where it was like, we're used for

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<v Speaker 1>my sexuality. And that was the frustration part, because they

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<v Speaker 1>knew that I wouldn't do the show unless I, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>felt like it was going to really represent my attraction

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<v Speaker 1>and what I was actually looking for in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>a person, and that had a spectrum, and I wanted

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 1>a spectrum of people. I wanted a range of people

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't I know who I love, but I

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:27.199
<v Speaker 1>also don't care what they are, and so yeah, it

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:30.159
<v Speaker 1>makes it hard to cast for that if you like, oh, well,

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I'm looking for because if you

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<v Speaker 1>just say a man, I'm looking for a man. But

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>if you say I'm looking for whatever, they don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's a very that was a very complex season,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you actually unpack it, you know and if

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:47.360
<v Speaker 1>you've got a you know, critical thinking brain, the pressure

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 1>that I had on me was intense, like to execute that,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, I did it to a standard that was

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, organic, natural, you know, authentic to who I am.

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:01.440
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, suality is so complex and

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 1>well it doesn't need to be complex, but I was

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of boxed into bisexuality. And if you ask any

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.400
<v Speaker 1>of my football friends or my girlfriends who are lesbian, gay,

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>queer by pan sexual, they'll just say, like, Brook was

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:18.439
<v Speaker 1>just Brooke and she was just I was just young

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<v Speaker 1>as well and experiencing like love from different people, and

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<v Speaker 1>no matter who they were, I didn't really give a fuck.

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I looked at a person for their personality, their values,

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<v Speaker 1>who they were inside, didn't give a fuck what they

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 1>were on the outside. And this is where I'm feeling

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:38.720
<v Speaker 1>the frustration is because that sort of fits the pant sexuality.

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>You know. Again, it's boxing yourself. And I don't be like, hey,

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm Brook Blatton, I'm pan sexual. When I introduced myself,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Hi, I'm Brook Blatin. I'm a proud nunga

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.199
<v Speaker 1>yamagi woman. That is what I am. Absolutely, you know what,

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 1>And I don't have to say cisgender woman. I'm giving

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 1>you I'm a woman, like you know, I'm telling you

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 1>and I'm saying I'm Nunga. That's my cultural identity and

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm very proud of it. And I say proud at

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the start of that because I want you to know

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that is how I identify, that is how I introduce myself.

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to tell you who I'm fucking fuck me,

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>No one goes, oh, you know what, I'm fucking a

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:22.640
<v Speaker 1>cisgendered male last night, and you know he's also experiencing

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:26.920
<v Speaker 1>his bisexual Like who the fuck cares? Like do you

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? And I love Pride Month, like

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>yell it out, whatever, do whatever. But I'm just so

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 1>frustrated with this narrative of like I need to box

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>myself into this bisexuality because also queerness is so different,

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and I think people also assume this is also I

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you've ever felt this, like there is

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>a typical stereotype of what a gay man is, Like right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean are you talking about me?

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<v Speaker 1>Queer people explain into that as well, We're fucking bad

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>for it, because I'm like, what do you mean, you know, like,

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>damn it, but that's robe race.

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I love being super gay sometimes love it.

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<v Speaker 4>Fuck it.

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 3>I have a friend and I do this.

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess, yes, which if only is fake hair. Daniel

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 1>does the same thing as my best friend, and I

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>love him for it. It doesn't you know, And sometimes

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 1>he can be really masculine. You can be really masculine

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>and I don't give a fuck. But for me as

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 1>a bisexual woman, and I guess as a queer woman,

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I get messages occasionally it would just be like oh

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>you like like, oh, you're not even gay, like you know,

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>like or whimen's last time you dn't a girl?

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Or you're just dating straight man like all the fun

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>am I just like, who fucking cares? Who cares?

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 3>Totally?

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I think as a bisexual woman, says.

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>The guy who asked you this twenty minutes ago, When

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 2>was the last time you.

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 4>Had had my face? Like yeah, like fuck off?

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Who cares?

0:28:58.160 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>But you know that's you're my friend, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable and I feel that you're not asking that to

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>seek gossip. You're just like interested, You're actually curious, and

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh I love that. But yes, I think

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>this is I actually have this thought occasionally right about

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm meant to give off these like real like camp

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>queer vibes like rainbow everything, and like yeah, I'm meant

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>to be like dressed like real mass and like you know,

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 1>like like I think the bisexual woman is meant to

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 1>not meant to but stereotypically I'm using that word box

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you into this like real like like swag like fuck yeah,

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 1>like yeah yeah yeah, snap, like you know, like snap

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>that tent, and I'm like, that's not fucking me. I'm

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>really in my feminine energy and I fucking love it

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 1>because I worked hard to get here from all the

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>shit that I've had to deal with where I've had

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<v Speaker 1>to be in a masculine energy and like a whole

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>myself to a certain standard. I'm like fucking letting that go. Hello,

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm in my feminine fuck you, but like therefore I'm

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>not gay, Therefore I don't fuck girls, Therefore I'm not

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>attracted to girls. I'm still fucking I can tell you now,

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm still fucking attractive to girls. When I masturbate, I

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>watch lesbian porn. I don't give a fuck, like you

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. I'm not. I don't watch straight poward.

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm still obviously very much so attracted to women,

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's never going to go away. So yeah, I

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>get frustrated at this like narrative that like I must

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 1>be a certain way because I am bisexual, and like,

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>well know, like I love kissing girls, I love looking possy.

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I also love sucking dick, and I also love like

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I just don't care.

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<v Speaker 4>I really don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be pride.

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Is so funny anyways, But yeah, what sexually? What sexuality?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I identify now as ocean?

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Ocean?

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm an ocean. I'm fluid, I'm just wet.

0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 4>There's na right now.

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<v Speaker 1>The door is closed to a lot of things. But yeah,

0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm just I'm working on my myself. I'd

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>so fucking corny, but I hate it and I love

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>it at the same time.

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 2>But I love that you are constantly evolving, you know,

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you're constantly sort of doing the in wood work.

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 3>I think that's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to level up, and I in order

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<v Speaker 1>to find love or to feel love, I need to

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>really love myself. And yeah, I really did think that

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>I did love myself, but I think I've neglected parts

0:31:55.280 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>of myself too, and I'm not neglecting my sexuality. I've never, ever,

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>not I've really, you know, openly celebrated that. And that's

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously why Pride Month reminds me, like, I am really

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>proud to be queer. I fucking love that I accept

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>people for who they are and not what they are,

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 1>and that will never change about me, and I don't

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 1>think it will change about you. I think we both

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>celebrate that equally, like with such an intensity.

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or I had a moment on the weekend where

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I felt really proud because I took my partner home

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>to my niece and nephew's place and they have a

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 2>gay uncle me and a lesbian auntie on their other side.

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>And so in the house there was my brother and

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 2>his fiance and then his fiancees Georgie and her sister

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 2>and her partner were there, and my partner was there.

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 2>So there was two gay couples and you know, a

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 2>heterosexual couple and my niece and nephews running around the

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 2>house like nothing is any different. And then when I

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 2>dropped Denny off, so the kids are in the back,

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I dropped Denny off, and I gave him a kiss

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>and he got out of the car and my little nephew, Guys,

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 2>that's disgusting. And I thought that he was talking about

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 2>us being gay, and you know what the next words,

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 2>that's disgusting how adults say goodbye to each other. Like

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I thought that it was going to be like you

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 2>two men, you know, but no, he was saying that,

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, when adults say goodbye to each other, they

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 2>give each other a kiss, and that's just you know, disgusting.

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 5>And that was his reaction, not about us like goodbyes. Yeah,

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 5>he doesn't like adults kissing, not about us being gay.

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 5>And I just felt like, wow, like it's so normalized

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 5>in their world that I love.

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 2>This and it makes me feel really proud to know that,

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 2>like they're getting you know, insight into what it's like

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>for a gay couple. And also you know, they will

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 2>grow up without having any questions about you know, or

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:51.360
<v Speaker 2>discrimination towards you know, gay people because they see it.

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I love that.

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeh, such love.

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know it was beautiful and it made me

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 2>want kids. Going home on the weekend made me want

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 2>kids bad. It, I know, like I seriously feel like

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 2>as a gay I'm going to be like a gay

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 2>dad soon.

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can soon. I really say that for you.

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 2>I feel like in the next two years I'm going

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 2>to have a baby. Yeah, I already started following, you.

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Know, Scott, I did say to you, if you want

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>me to have a baby, I can. I will do

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the practical part of it.

0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 2>But wait, don't you have to have your baby first?

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah? Is that just like I'll just have it

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>and give it to you as if you would, you'd

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>be keeping that baby, you know, I would never I

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 1>would know like no, that that's it. That's surrogancy. But

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>also surrogency is are apparently legal illegal in Australia.

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, if we flew to another country, would you give

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:45.399
<v Speaker 2>me an egg?

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would give you whatever.

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 2>That would be amazing. Okay, let's yeah, I feel like

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 2>that's maybe a good place to yeah, wrap it up.

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:04.280
<v Speaker 1>What well, yeah, I mean that in itself right, talking

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>about you know, surrogency and queer babies, and you know

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>you're being a queer dad, like you're just a dad

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>as well, by the way, you don't have to be like,

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>oh I'm a queer dad. I just well, do you

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 1>want to be a father?

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to be a dad soon. And it's

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.720
<v Speaker 2>like going home and being with my nieces and nephews

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:23.399
<v Speaker 2>just keeps on making me think, Okay, need to start

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:27.760
<v Speaker 2>the process. So I actually followed, you know, Scott Sassy Scott.

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just had to.

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to start talking to Scott about the

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 2>process because that looked like they went through a really

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 2>great process. Yeah.

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>The babies are beautiful as well. Yeah. Well that's all

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<v Speaker 1>we have time for today. Ending on a beautiful note there,

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Pride Month come as a bit I know better.

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<v Speaker 2>on our d ms Brooks at brook dout Blurton.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Matdie Mills.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, alright, see you later, guys.

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<v Speaker 4>That's your bye.