1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: people of the Eur Nation. 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: We're going to do a very special episode this week, 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: doing a deep dive into the March for Australia rallies 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: that took place over the weekend. Who's behind them, who 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: is at the center of them, who is promoting them, 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: and what are the impacts going to be for our nation? 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere. 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: So I wanted to devote the entirety of this week's 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: episode to exactly what was happening on the weekend, because 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of misinformation out there, a lot 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: of Monday morning quarterbacking where people were saying, oh no, 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: we didn't know. 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: Or they were hijack the valley or whatever whatever. 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: And also the impact of the marches on some of 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: our migrant communities, in particular the Indian Australian community. And 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: I'm going to speak to someone from that from that 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: community very shortly, but first let's just get to the 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: bottom of what these rallies were and who was behind them. Now, 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: the idea for a March for Australia was as far 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 2: as anyone can determine a thought bubble from some random 23 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: guy who just wanted to say, let's, you know, instead 24 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: of having people, you know, waving all these other flowers 25 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: or whatever, why don't we have a protest or a 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 2: demonstration about how much we love Australia and you know 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: how much we love our country. And I think this 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: was from a pretty center right perspective, but that's fine. 29 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with being patriotic, and there's nothing wrong 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: with having a debate or having your say on mass migration, 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: which is ostensibly what the rallies were meant to be about, 32 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: but they very quickly turned into something that wasn't about that. 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: So there was a thought bubble from some guy that 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: was posted on social media. This was then jumped on 35 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: by some pretty nasty hard right groups who started to 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: take ownership of this rally scheduled for the thirty first 37 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: of August last Sunday, and it started to take on 38 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: a much more sinister tone very very quickly, to the 39 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: point where politicians on both sides of the divide, so 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: Labor pretty much obviously you can imagine, was pretty suss 41 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: on it, but even the Liberal Party and the National 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: Party were saying very very clearly, don't go. Even if 43 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: you're concerned about immigration, which people have every right to be, 44 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: don't go because the people who are organizing this or 45 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: promoting this bad news bears, and we are talking out 46 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: and out card carrying neo Nazis in some cases. So 47 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: both major parties said, do not touch this with a 48 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: barge pole. 49 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: Do not go. 50 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: This is not the way to express your concerns. However, 51 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: you did have people like you know, Paul and Hansen 52 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: as you'd probably expect, and Bob Katter, who threatened to 53 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: punch a journalists in the mouth for suggesting correctly that 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: he had Lebertese heritage, saying you know, nah, get out there, 55 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: get out there, and people did. There were thousands of 56 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: people who marched in rallies right across the country, and 57 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: the people who were sort of going along with they 58 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: wanted to show that they were patriotic or going along 59 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 2: because they had genuine concerns or fears about mass migration. 60 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: They were out there too, decent people who are not 61 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: a racist bone in their body. But the people at 62 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: the vanguard, the people who were organizing it and the 63 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: people who who were promoting it, they were not just innocent, 64 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: nice people with genuine concerns about mass migration. Now, the 65 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: official organizer, the person who lodged the application for the 66 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: march in Sydney is a person called beck Freedom. Now 67 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: that is not you might have guessed her real name. 68 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: So again, already, these people who were so proud to 69 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: be out and proud to be Australian, nothing to hide, 70 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: nothing to be ashamed of, using fake names, So that 71 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: maybe tells you something anyway, that's fine. She uses a pseudonym. 72 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: Beck Freedom was the official organizer in Sydney. She later 73 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: said she didn't have much to do with organizing the 74 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: rally in Melbourne and that someone else was doing that 75 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 2: and that was where Thomas Sewell and the neo Nazis 76 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: the National Socialist Network were most active. But let's get 77 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: to who this Bech Freedom person is. Well, we don't 78 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: know a real name, but we do know what she said. 79 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: We do know that she was caught on audio saying 80 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: that they tried peaceful protests before, or tried peaceful means before, 81 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: they hadn't. 82 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 4: Worked, and that we needed more violence, that her group, 83 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 4: whatever it is, whatever it stands for, needed more violence 84 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: like Quanulla because you know, the peaceful tactics just didn't work. 85 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: And she was taken to task on this by Ben 86 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: Fordham on radio to GB and she said no, no, no, 87 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: I was taken out of context. Now I'm not sure 88 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: how that's taken out of context when there's an actual 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: audio file of. 90 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: Her saying this, but whatever. There is. 91 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: Then the official Facebook page of the March for Australia 92 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 2: under beck Freedom's then addresses immediorly is put out by 93 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: the National Socialist Network. Now if that name sounds slightly familiar, 94 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: it's because National Socialist is Nazis. The National Socialist Party 95 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: is the Nazi Party. The word Nazi is short for 96 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: the German for National Socialists. 97 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: That is the actual name of the party that Adolf 98 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: Hitler founded and led right. 99 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: And this is a group in Australia today called the 100 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: National Socialist Network. These guys are not hiding the fact 101 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: that they are white supremacists. They are out and proud 102 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: right and they put out a press release saying yay, 103 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: March Australia Rally, come on, come on, we'll be there. 104 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: So this is not something that they you know, hijacked. 105 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 2: This is not something that you know, they snuck into 106 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: they were telling people, and this is why politicians, mainstream 107 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: politicians on both sides, were saying, do not go to 108 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: this event. They put out this press release announcing to 109 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: the world that they were going there. And what did 110 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: the organizers of the valley, the official organizers, not the 111 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: neo Nazis, What did the official organizers? 112 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: What did Beck Freedom do? 113 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: In response to this, she put out a statement on 114 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: the official social media page of the rally, not saying 115 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: please don't come, we don't want you here, not saying 116 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: you do not represent us. She put out a statement 117 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: saying you are welcome to come. She said, as long 118 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: as you know, as long as you share our share 119 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: our values, share the values of the protests, share the cause. 120 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: And again when it comes to you know, being against immigration, 121 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, well that's a value that neo Nazis share. 122 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: Pretty entry level requirement, she said, come along. She actually 123 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: used the words you're welcome. Everybody's welcome. She did stipulate, 124 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: she said, oh, you know, as long as you're as 125 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: long as it's peaceful, as long as you're not violent. 126 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: Notwithstanding her remarks in private that were taken out of context, 127 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: and so she welcomes them. She confirms that they've been talking, 128 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: that Neo Nazis said they've been talking with the organizers, 129 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 2: confirms that they've been told they're welcome to come, and 130 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: announces this publicly. Again this is on the official site, 131 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 2: the official organizer's site for these rallies, says you're welcome 132 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: to come to the neo Nazis. And so they do come. 133 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: And are they peaceful? 134 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 3: No, they are not. 135 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: They come, they march in Melbourne. I'm sure there are 136 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: elements in other coupital cities as well. Thomas Sewle, the 137 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: leader of the National Socialist Network, is given a microphone 138 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: and a platform to speak at the rally. To their 139 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: great credit, a lot of those in attendance jeer him 140 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: and boo him, but a lot cheer as well. And 141 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 2: then he and his group and we have to say 142 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: allegedly now, because they've now been charged allegedly attack an 143 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: encampment in Melbourne' King's domain. And what or who is 144 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 2: it an encampment of Is it an encampment of mass migrants? 145 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: Is an encampment of immigrants at all? No, it's an 146 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: encampment of indigenous people called camp sovereignty. 147 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: And that is what. 148 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: Ms Sule and his thugs. I guess we have to 149 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: say alleged thugs have been charged with attacking, so they 150 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: were not peaceful. These are the people who were told 151 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 2: they were welcome to come. These are the people that 152 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: official organizers said, yes, you can come along, You're welcome 153 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: as long as you share our values. Just behave yourself. 154 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: Of course they didn't. It's a bit like saying to 155 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 2: Charles Manson, oh yeah, come to my family reunion. Just 156 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: don't kill anybody, okay. Point being the idea that this 157 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: was an entirely innocent demonstration that was hijacked by neo 158 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: Nazis that no one thought was coming. 159 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: Is absolute bullshit. 160 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: It was known that the Nazis were coming, It was 161 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: known that extremists elements were promoting this and figging it up, 162 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 2: revving it up, and they were not discouraged. They were 163 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: told that they were welcome. Who were some of the 164 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: other people at the rally. At the Adelaide rally, there 165 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: was someone holding a sign holding a picture of a 166 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: bloke called Desi Freeman with the words Freeman giant capital 167 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: letters underneath it. Someone actually made up this placard like 168 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: a you know, like a like a sort of form 169 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: of hero worship, hailing him as a freeman who was 170 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: Dessi Freeman. 171 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: Does that name sound familiar. Yeah. 172 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: Deisi Freeman is the person who is currently on the 173 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: run from police in Victoria after allegedly shooting dead two 174 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: police officers in cold blood allegedly. That is who was 175 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: being hero worshiped at the march in Adelaide. What was 176 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: happening in Queensland. In Queensland there was material going around. 177 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: I know this was on social media. It was being 178 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: circulated everywhere, so anyone everywhere could see attacking or singling 179 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 2: out the. 180 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: Indian community, of all people, the Indian community. 181 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: Saying that over the last five years we've had more 182 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: Indians come to this country than we've had Greeks and 183 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: Italians over the past one. 184 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: Hundred years, we've been overrun by Indians. 185 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: This made people in the Indian community so scared in 186 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: Brisbane in particular, that they were telling each other not 187 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: to go to work on Sunday and telling themselves that 188 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: they was scared to actually go because they thought they 189 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: were there in the shops where they work facing the public, 190 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: that they might be attacked. And you can see why 191 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: they would think that, wouldn't they Imagine if it was you. 192 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: Imagine if it was your race, your name, your national 193 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: was singled out by someone circulating this stuff online, including 194 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: by extreme far right violent groups, saying there's too many 195 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: of you. Imagine how you would feel rocking up with 196 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: thousands of people coming past your shop knowing that that 197 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: had been circulated amongst them just hours or days before. 198 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: And again, we're going to speak to someone from the 199 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: Indian community who's going to tell us exactly how that feels. 200 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: And of course there are plenty of people who do 201 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: know how that feels. There'll be plenty of Jewish Australians 202 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 2: who know how it feels to have their ethnicity singled out. 203 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: And we all know what happened last century when the 204 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: original Nazis, not the Neo Nazis, the original the og 205 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: and he thought there were too many Jews in Europe. 206 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: So again the idea that this was just some kind 207 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 2: of joyous patriotic celebration of being Australian or a genuine 208 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: response to immigration policy, that ordinary Australians just wanted to 209 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: voice their concerns about. Yes, there were a lot of 210 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: ordinary Australians there, and yes they may well have completely 211 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: legitimate concerns and not a racist bone in their body. 212 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: But the people at the center of it, the people 213 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: promoting it, the people organizing it, were not just a 214 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: bunch of innocent, concerned OSSI's. 215 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: Again. 216 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: These are people who'd been caught on tape promoting violence. 217 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: These are actual card carrying, self identifying neo Nazis who 218 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: were told they were welcome to come. These were people 219 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: who singled out a particular race of migrant for criticism 220 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: in circulating material saying that there were too many of them, 221 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: causing that group of migrants to fear actually rocking up 222 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: to work on the day that the rally was taking place. 223 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: So this was not an event that was hijacked by 224 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: extremist elements. This is an event that had extremist elements 225 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: at its center the whole time. 226 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 3: And we need to know that. 227 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: We need to know that because if this is taken 228 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: as being simply a representation of the silent majority or 229 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: just ordinary mainstream Australians who are just standing up for 230 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: their rights or saying they're sick of sick to their 231 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: back teeth, of you know, enough is enough, then we 232 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: are missing the point. We are failing to understand who 233 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: is at the center of these protests. This is people 234 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: with a track record of despising people from other countries, 235 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: despising people of other cultures. These are rallies that were 236 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: fueled by propaganda that singled out a particular race of people, 237 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: a non European race. This was a rally that someone 238 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: who thought that an alleged cop killer was a freedom fighter. 239 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: These are rallies that that person thought aligned with his values. 240 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: These are not ordinary mainstream Australians. These are crazed extremists. 241 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: And if we say, ah, you know, look, I'm I 242 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: don't like the noo Nazis, but you know plenty of 243 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: other people you know, had a good point, then we 244 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: are failing to understand what the actual genesis. 245 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: Of that point of that demonstration is. 246 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: And I know there are ordinary people who do think 247 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: there's too much migration, and we have to make sure 248 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: we address those concerns because if the center doesn't if 249 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: the center of Australian pilot politics, be that the Senate 250 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: left or the center right, Labor or the Coalition, if 251 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: we don't address that, that is when people will start 252 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 2: to look for more populist or more extreme solutions. But 253 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: that doesn't make it right, and that doesn't mean that 254 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: we say, I know these crazy extreme people who have 255 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: been busted advocating violence but then said they were taken 256 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: out of context, who told neo Nazis they were welcome 257 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: to join the march, the neo Nazis who then attacked 258 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: an Indigenous encampment allegedly, who have now been charged with that. 259 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 2: If we say that is mainstream Australia, if we say oh, 260 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: that's fair enough, even if we say that's freedom of speech, 261 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: then we are making something that is fundamentally un Australian, 262 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: fundamentally anti Australian, against everything This country is, peaceful, respectful, 263 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: a land of makeship, not a land where you and 264 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: a bunch of goons descend upon someone whose race you 265 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: don't like or whose politics you don't like, and then 266 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: end up in a courtroom charged with that. That is 267 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: not Australia. And to pretend that what happened on the 268 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: weekend was just an expression of australianness is the most 269 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: UnAustralian thing you could possibly do. They are not ordinary 270 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: mainstream Australians. Ordinary mainstream Australian are the ones who looked 271 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 2: at what unfolded with horror. 272 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 3: Now. 273 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier that some of the propaganda circulating ahead 274 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: of the march on Sunday was very anti Indian, or 275 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: at least said that there are too many Indians here, 276 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: and so I thought I'd get on an old friend 277 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: of mine who is the Queen of Little India and 278 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: a community liaison officer with all sorts of multicultural groups. 279 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 2: Aisha amjed, welcome to the real story. What were your 280 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: thoughts firstly, on the day of the rally and the 281 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: days leading up to it, what was the community sort 282 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 2: of feeling? 283 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 5: Look, I think the community they were warned to be vigilant, 284 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 5: to stay at home. A lot of people had plans 285 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 5: on the weekend and they were told don't go to work. 286 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 5: A lot of people are Uber drivers, obviously from Indian background, 287 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 5: told not to go around. 288 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 3: Who was saying that other members of the Indian community. 289 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 5: Themselves multicultural leaders generally, not just the Indians of continent leaders. 290 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 5: And then the fear was, you know what if this 291 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 5: becomes another attack on you know, Indian international students. Why 292 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 5: are Indians being targeted and singled out? It's probably because, 293 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 5: you know, the fastest growing migrant community and they are 294 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 5: very visible in the community. But at the same time 295 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 5: you look at it and the number one background of 296 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 5: people migrating to Australia is from the UK, so you know, 297 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 5: and you had you had people there like who literally 298 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 5: had had migrated from the UK, you know, And I think. 299 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: Did that make you think that this isn't these rallies 300 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: weren't necessarily about migration as they were about race. Is 301 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: that the sense that you got. 302 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, definitely, because when you look at the footage, 303 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 5: when you look at the rhetoric, I think that was 304 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 5: the most you know, I would just say not only disappointing, 305 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 5: but you know, it was I think we were all 306 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 5: just in disbelief what was coming out of the mouths 307 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 5: of people who themselves had migrant backgrounds as you know, 308 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 5: like we saw the Bob catterund of interview, right, Malcolm Roberts, 309 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 5: I think has Indian heritage as well. You know some 310 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 5: of these you know counselors Steve Christo, he used to 311 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 5: work with me in Laurie Ferguson's office, who was a 312 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 5: shadow minister for you know, immigration citizenship. So I mean 313 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 5: you've got people from all corners coming out, and yeah, 314 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 5: I do think it was about race, because a lot 315 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 5: of the comments were like, oh, we want to take 316 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 5: Australia back, you know, we want our heritage back, we 317 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 5: want our culture back, we want our identity back. But 318 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 5: the funny thing is now and I just wanted to say, like, 319 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 5: you know, I actually googled what is Australian cultural identity? 320 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 321 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 5: Okay, what does this? What does it mean to be Australian? 322 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 5: And you know, one of the first things that came 323 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 5: up was matship. And we actually, as an Australian tradition, 324 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 5: you know, whether you're from here or from around the world, 325 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 5: you say, good a mate, you know, how's it going. 326 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: We greet each other through that. We say hey, love, 327 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: how's it going? 328 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: You know, so you weren't you weren't feeling much mate, 329 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 2: chip or love on Sunday? 330 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 5: Well no, no, but I actually have to say that 331 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 5: I think, you know, it wasn't Although it was called 332 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 5: March for Australia, I really think it was a march 333 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 5: against Australia and what Australia actually and modern Australia actually 334 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 5: stands for, which is multiculturalism and matship. Which is giving 335 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 5: everyone a fair go. And I think, you know, I 336 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 5: was reflecting on it, and there's a you know, the 337 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 5: fact that you had, you know, multiple protests around the country. 338 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 5: There's a Chinese character for crisis, which is called way 339 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 5: G right. Way is like danger and G is opportunity. 340 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 5: So the danger I saw was that, you know, it 341 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 5: behind the facade of I guess patriotism, nationalism, you know, 342 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 5: they were awakening trying to awaken adornment, you know, a 343 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 5: giant and get people thinking like, oh, oh my god, actually, yeah, 344 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 5: we are being taken over, you know, but that's not 345 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 5: the case. And then when you look at the opportunity, 346 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,479 Speaker 5: I think it's the time that we're at a cultural 347 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 5: crossroads and we you know, have this conversation and we 348 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 5: build bridges, we don't burn them because essentially, at the 349 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 5: end of the day, migrants are a blessing, not a burden. 350 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: And I should say your your role. You work for 351 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 2: a lot of you know politicians, local MPs in. 352 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: Harris Park, which is the sort of Indian. 353 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: Come to and you do sort of community liaison multi 354 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: liaison for Andrew Charlton, the local Labor MP, and for 355 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. When he visits and that sort of thing. 356 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: So that's how you know, that's how you sort of 357 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: get a read on what the community is feeling. I mean, 358 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: obviously I think my sense and tell me if this 359 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 2: is how you see it is that there are a 360 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: lot of people who were at that rally, possibly even 361 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: most who were, had genuine sort of concerns. Whether they're 362 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: misguided or not, you can debate, but they had genuine concerns. 363 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 2: They they're not racist, but they know about things like 364 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: cost of living housing. But you then have that sort 365 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: of sinister element that I think you were alluding to 366 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: who actually are and again that the neo Nazi element, 367 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 2: people who you know are prepared to contemplate violence or 368 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: actually use violence and are trying to take that sort 369 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: of I suppose, like you said that, you know people 370 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: who do have those anxieties and concerns and sort of 371 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: weaponize that and turn it into their ideology their races. 372 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 5: I was thinking of it as disadvanced Australia fair really 373 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 5: from our national anthem. 374 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 3: Because so turning us back, well, yeah. 375 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 5: Because even in our national anthem, its is that we 376 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 5: welcome people from across the seas with you. 377 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: Know, realnless gifts to share exactly. 378 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 5: And and I actually think it was more of even 379 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 5: a recruitment exercise, you know, hiding behind the platform of 380 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 5: neo Nazis and far right activists. I think there were 381 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 5: a lot of people there who were genuinely curious about 382 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 5: what was happening. And you know, that does to an 383 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 5: extent kind of brainwash people if you looked I don't 384 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 5: know if you probably did look at the March for 385 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 5: Australian website, But the stuff on there, it's it's fear 386 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 5: mongering and it's you know, it's really like falsified, like 387 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's blaming migrants for climate change, blaming 388 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 5: Indians for climate change. I'm like, what the pollution from 389 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 5: all that curry cooking or something, right, blaming Indians for traffic. 390 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 2: So these guys are so concerned about climate change that 391 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: they want to address it, and they think Indians are respected. 392 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what of restricted water supply? 393 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 5: I don't know how Indians would be doing that, Like, 394 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm pretty sure they shower as much as 395 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 5: the rest of us. 396 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 3: But you know, so how how did you know? 397 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: But the people you've spoken to in the community, are 398 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: they were they worried on the day and do they 399 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: worry that that is still sort of out there in 400 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 2: Australia or do they think, oh no, this is just 401 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: this is just a bunch of extremist rabble. 402 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: I mean, how concerned. 403 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 2: Is your community about these ideas kind of percolating through Yeah, look, 404 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: minstream Australia. 405 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 5: I think I think the issue was and the worry 406 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 5: and look, the Prime Minister spoke about this on the 407 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 5: weekend as well. He said, look, there were people there 408 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 5: legitimately who were interested. They're not bad people that they 409 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 5: were there, but the fact that there were so many there, 410 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 5: and what else was disturbing was I saw a number 411 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 5: of children. 412 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: That were there. 413 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 5: You know, and when we're born, we're born with love, 414 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 5: but we're taught to hate, so you know, if you're 415 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 5: taking our kids to something like that, and the kind 416 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 5: of rhetoric that came out from the rally, like some 417 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 5: people were saying, oh, you know, well, yeah we have 418 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 5: migrants in Australia. We don't have an issue with that, 419 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 5: but they're not the right caliber of migrants. Not right caliber. 420 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 5: I mean, what is the right caliber? You know, my dad, 421 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 5: I'll give you just an example my dad before the 422 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 5: end of the White Australia policy. Came here in nineteen 423 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 5: seventy one as a skilled doctor. You know, he had 424 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 5: twenty two dollars in his pocket suitcase full of dreams, 425 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 5: but the will power to work hard. You know, he 426 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 5: only knew one person who was in Blacktown, and at 427 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 5: that time it cost him sixteen dollars to get to 428 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 5: Blacktown and then he had six dollars to just stay 429 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 5: the night somewhere, which he did the next hop the 430 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 5: next day he got a job and he hasn't stopped working. 431 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 5: He's worked as a doctor for fifty years. And you know, 432 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 5: migrants give back more than they take. And so going 433 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 5: back to your question about the sentiment in the community 434 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 5: is I think they felt really hurt because, like I said, 435 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 5: migrants give back a lot more than they take, you know, 436 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 5: a lot of selfless sacrifice and service to the community. 437 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: And also well, the night the night before we recorded this, yeah, 438 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: and I texted you and asked you to come on. 439 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: You were with another person we known ye from jperson 440 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: and who every week hands out hundreds and hundreds of 441 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: free meals to the need. 442 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: Around fifteen hundred every Tuesday evening. 443 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: And that's what you just happened to be. I didn't 444 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: even know you were there, but that's what you just say. 445 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: What he does every. 446 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: Week, he does every Tuesday. 447 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: I went there and you're the people that these guys say, 448 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: we've got too many. 449 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 5: Of Yeah, yeah, And you know what the most beautiful 450 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 5: thing about that is, you know, so he does this 451 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 5: every Tuesday. The Prime Minister has even know visited his store. 452 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 5: You've seen him what he does. He came to this 453 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 5: country with nothing in his pocket, and then he said, 454 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 5: I owe everything to this country. So he feeds fifteen 455 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 5: hundred people regardless. 456 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: When he said that his restaurant, his new restaurant, he's 457 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: doing this, he said those exact words. I said, I 458 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: came here with nothing, this country everything exactly. 459 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 5: And he feeds people regardless of race, religion, backgrounds, beliefs. 460 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: And I saw that. 461 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 5: You know, there were white people who were there and 462 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 5: they were like, oh my god, this is amazing, like 463 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 5: what free food? 464 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: Like what for? 465 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 5: And I said, you know, it's service to the community 466 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 5: and people. There's a white lady who came up and 467 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 5: started taking pictures and she's like, I've never seen anything 468 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 5: like this before in my whole life and I only 469 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 5: just live up the street. 470 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: And so to do this and to be so familiar 471 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: with this and to volunteer yourself doing that, and then 472 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: to see, you know, it's a propaganda circulating online saying 473 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: you know, there are too many Indians here. 474 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, how does that make you feel personally? 475 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 5: Well, like I said, it hurts. And I think because 476 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 5: I've seen how many countless contributions, not just Indians, people 477 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 5: from the subcontinent, all migrants have made to this country. Right, 478 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,239 Speaker 5: this country was built on migrants. Not many people know this, 479 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,719 Speaker 5: but even in the first fleet, there were Muslims, there 480 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 5: were Jews, there were Hindus, and then we go to 481 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 5: the Afghan Kamali who helped literally build the railroads. There 482 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 5: were Sikh soldiers who fought side by side with the 483 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 5: ANZACs in Gallipoli. And you know, as I was just 484 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 5: driving across the Harbor Bridge, I thought, I wonder how 485 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 5: many migrants, you know, built this bridge, probably lost their 486 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 5: lives doing so. And then also, you know, I liken 487 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 5: it to this. I'll give you an analogy. It's like, 488 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 5: I guess every migrant and even particularly subcontinent ones, because 489 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 5: education and good you know, life stuff for them for 490 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 5: themselves their families is so important to them that they 491 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 5: are so grateful, you know, and it's I guess the 492 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 5: feeling with them is that like you're in a relationship 493 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 5: with someone you love so much, right and they're cheating 494 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 5: on you. So that's like that that's that's that's the 495 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 5: feeling of the march that hey, look, we give so 496 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 5: much in every single facet of society, you know, where 497 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 5: they're engineers, doctors, it you know, our uber eats people 498 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 5: door dash But then you know what, these are the 499 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 5: same Australians we're serving who were like telling us to 500 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 5: back off, and you know, I think it's a feeling 501 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 5: of betrayal in a way. 502 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: So what would you say to someone who you know 503 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 2: is the nicest person in the world, has concerns about migration. 504 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: You know, I went to one of the rallies on 505 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 2: Sunday that was, you know, revved up by some of 506 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: these more extremist graves. 507 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 3: What would you say to just the ordinary Australians who 508 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 3: were there. 509 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 5: I would say to them that, well, first of all, 510 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 5: good a mate. We are all Australian, we are one, 511 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 5: we are many across all the lands on Earth. We come, 512 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 5: we share a dream. Let's sing with one voice. I 513 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 5: am you are. 514 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: We are Australian, but Sunday that was un Australian. 515 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 3: Aisha, I am Jed. Thank you so much for joining 516 00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 3: us on the Real Story. 517 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure, thank you, and. 518 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: That is all we have time for this week. Don't 519 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: get depressed. 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