WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 25 August

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<v Speaker 1>From the sky in center. This is Paul Murray Live. Howda.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I'm American, but why not? Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to another week before Murray Live. A massive weekhead this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Next week we're going to be in Western Australia. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be doing plenty of shows from that side of the

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<v Speaker 1>country between now and then, so keep your eyes feeled

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<v Speaker 1>and spread the word. If you've got some tips about

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<v Speaker 1>what I should be seeing, either in Perth or regional

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<v Speaker 1>wa please send us an email. Paul. It's gonews dot

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<v Speaker 1>com dot au. Tonight, obviously we'll get to all of

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<v Speaker 1>the obvious certain news that is around, including the Labour

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<v Speaker 1>Party getting absolutely thumped in the Northern territory. Leofanukiano is

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful lady. I'm so pleased she gets her te

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<v Speaker 1>chance to lead. She's going to be a very impressive

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<v Speaker 1>leader of that part of the world. Jackie Lamby good

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<v Speaker 1>at getting publicity, not great at getting people to remain

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<v Speaker 1>part of her network, which of course is different than

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<v Speaker 1>a party. Right, Well, perhaps she should become a party,

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<v Speaker 1>because then she'd be able to hold on to people

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<v Speaker 1>other than herself get elected under her name. Big news

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<v Speaker 1>out of Tassy tonight, and I'll tell you the detailed

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why RFK joining forces with Donald Trump is the

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<v Speaker 1>game changer of the American election thus far, well after Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>But you get my point now. Just like many Australians,

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<v Speaker 1>I well bought the ticket late last week, fingers crossed,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that our life was going to change with so

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<v Speaker 1>much money coming by the way of Powerball World. Surprise, surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting here, which means I didn't win. You're sitting there,

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<v Speaker 1>which means you didn't win either. One hundred million bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently it was one person who ended up winning. They

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<v Speaker 1>are from Queensland. Apparently the ticket had been sold to

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<v Speaker 1>somebody from the Lots outlet in the North Side, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were unregistered, which means they can't contact you. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to contact them.

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<v Speaker 2>With unregistered that's where if the ticket does is lost

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<v Speaker 2>or becomes damage. There is a process we can use

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<v Speaker 2>to try and that people can use to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>night with the prize, but it's much more complicatedble And while.

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<v Speaker 1>One person gets one hundred million dollars, a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of people got their share of sixty seven million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, that was the carve up of people from

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<v Speaker 1>the other divisions. From Division two to nine there were

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<v Speaker 1>three point three median people winning their version of a

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<v Speaker 1>slice of sixty seven thousand dollars. Now, I would imagine

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<v Speaker 1>these are the people who will suddenly renovate their bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly buy a new car. Do not think they have

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<v Speaker 1>won one hundred million, just maybe something somewhere between here

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<v Speaker 1>and there. But anyway, if you're a winner, congrats, good luck,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course to the people who run well, you

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<v Speaker 1>are the biggest winners, aren't you, because what is it

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<v Speaker 1>a one in four trillion chance of actually getting the win.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you got it, well done, glad you're still

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<v Speaker 1>watching us, and I look forward to you doing it

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<v Speaker 1>on an even bigger Telly, let's talk about what happened

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<v Speaker 1>in Darwin last night, huge, huge news, which of course

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<v Speaker 1>was that the Corp absolutely wiped the floor with the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor Party last night. Now, what's fascinating about Northern territory

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<v Speaker 1>elections is the population is pretty small. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of a million people, like the entire territory wide.

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<v Speaker 1>It means the electorates are only like very small, single

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people. So when they change their mind, they change

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<v Speaker 1>it hard, and they changed it hard, getting rid of

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<v Speaker 1>a Labor Party that had gone death to the true

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<v Speaker 1>concerns of the territory. And you know how much I

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<v Speaker 1>love it, not just celebrating it every single first of

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<v Speaker 1>the new financial year, first of July crack a night,

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<v Speaker 1>the one place left in the country to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a place of great freedoms. It feels like

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<v Speaker 1>what people overseas think Australia is well, the only place

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<v Speaker 1>to actually go and do it is in the territory.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you say, they smashed and smashed hard, but

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of people thought that it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the case. And when I say not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people, I mean we have an example of

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who was on the telly in the day before saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>but probably should be able to get over the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, reality was that the Country Liberal Party, it's

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<v Speaker 1>called the Country Liberal Party. But of course it is

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<v Speaker 1>the same Team Blue, even though it's Team Orange. But

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<v Speaker 1>you get my point, Smashes. You lead to thirteen to

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<v Speaker 1>form majority. At this stage they've got sixteen. That's up

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<v Speaker 1>nine seats since the election a few years ago. Labor

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<v Speaker 1>Party down ten seats. Down to four. The others I

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<v Speaker 1>believe is actually two not three. My apologies, so that'll

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<v Speaker 1>be down by maybe two and still counting. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>most worrying part of this election, apart from the Labour

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<v Speaker 1>Party voters, that the Greens they're going to find their

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<v Speaker 1>way into the territory parliament, most likely via one of

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<v Speaker 1>the surprise, surprise, richest parts of in and around Darwin,

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<v Speaker 1>in and around Fanny Bay. Beautiful part of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's about to go green. Wow. Now this is

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<v Speaker 1>also interesting, not just because of its complications when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes back to the federal election. I'll get to those

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<v Speaker 1>in a second. But remember one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>the Labor Party is trying to do in exchange for

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of other election changes between now and

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<v Speaker 1>the next federal election, most likely because of the Reserve Bank,

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<v Speaker 1>to beat next year, not this year. They want to

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<v Speaker 1>double the number of senators currently there's only two that

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<v Speaker 1>come from the Northern Territory and the Act each and

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<v Speaker 1>every election. Now this matters because in the Act, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>the Libs would have a shot of one in four,

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<v Speaker 1>the Teals could end up winning two, Labor could win two,

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<v Speaker 1>or the Greens could win two. Whoever doesn't win the

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<v Speaker 1>two or they get the one, and you get my point.

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<v Speaker 1>That of course makes it harder for any potential Conservative

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<v Speaker 1>government with that one a majority downstairs, to have a

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<v Speaker 1>majority upstairs. And if the Greens are now starting to

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<v Speaker 1>show some green shoots of their political support, even in

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<v Speaker 1>a wipeout election like this, then what will happen potentially

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<v Speaker 1>with the fourth of the Senate seats to come from

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<v Speaker 1>the Northern Territory. Again, more Greens, more teals, more labor.

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<v Speaker 1>All of it makes it way harder for whatever coalition

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<v Speaker 1>government comes to power, whenever they come to power. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>also worth noting here too is Lea Fanookiana. Now she

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<v Speaker 1>is the Northern Territory Chief Minister. She had her meetings today.

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<v Speaker 1>But supposedly she is the exact example of somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party apparently has a problem with. A middle

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<v Speaker 1>aged woman who's a three term menpiece, a mother of two,

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<v Speaker 1>she has Italian born parents, she's born and bred in

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<v Speaker 1>the Northern Territory. But we keep being told that people

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<v Speaker 1>of this age, of this professionalism, of this heritage, well

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<v Speaker 1>that's the problem with the Liberal Party. Well guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>Lea Fanookiano and you Center Price represent the next generation

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<v Speaker 1>for the Liberal Party. Now the blokes that have been

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<v Speaker 1>in charge in the past, get out of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>You are not the puppet masters. They are the leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>They are the people who will lead to greater political success,

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<v Speaker 1>not just in the territory. And they don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>follow your advice. You need to sit back and let

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<v Speaker 1>them do what they do. Just Center Price has the

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<v Speaker 1>potential of being a prime minister. Lea Fanookiana has the

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<v Speaker 1>potential of turning around the Northern territory. If the Old

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<v Speaker 1>Boys Network wants to fiddle around and pretend they'are the

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<v Speaker 1>real power behind the throne, well all of it ends well,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty badly, pretty quickly. Get out of the way. These

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<v Speaker 1>people are the ones that are in charge, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are in tune not just with the territory, but with

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<v Speaker 1>millions of people around the country. Leofanukiano, as I say,

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<v Speaker 1>a middle aged woman who is the mother of two,

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<v Speaker 1>a professional woman, a person who has parents born from

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else is the exact type of person who can

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<v Speaker 1>help Peter Dutton in a federal election, not just in

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<v Speaker 1>the seat of Solomon, which is the one in and

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<v Speaker 1>around Darwin, but her success as an example of what

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<v Speaker 1>the party now is will help in part of the

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<v Speaker 1>anti teal fight that will come up in the next

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<v Speaker 1>little while. But front and center, the reason the government

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<v Speaker 1>had to change was because of crime in and around

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<v Speaker 1>the Northern Territory. It has been a disgrace what has

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<v Speaker 1>been allowed to happen now. In many ways, this has

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<v Speaker 1>been allowed to happen because the left wing of the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor Party took over the Northern Territory after the right

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<v Speaker 1>wing of the Labor Party decided to pull up stumps.

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<v Speaker 1>Now today the brand new Chief Minister Weill, she met

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<v Speaker 1>with the Police Commissioner and that's good to see. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to start seeing hardcore legislation go through the Parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>The type of stuff that is going to piss off

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC and send the Guardian wild, But it's the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that is going to calm down the beautiful Northern Territory.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Alice Springs. I want people to stay over

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<v Speaker 1>in Alice Springs. I want people to use Alice Springs

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<v Speaker 1>as the base for their territory hopping as they move around,

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<v Speaker 1>not just a place where you may stay for one

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<v Speaker 1>night before quickly getting out of dodge now it is

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<v Speaker 1>a place that has great potential. Its locals have made

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<v Speaker 1>very clear decisions that they want to be represented by

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<v Speaker 1>people that are going to get on top of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I repeat that is going to create trouble and there

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be particularly the left wing media that

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<v Speaker 1>is going to try to say that the cracking down

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<v Speaker 1>is all too hard, which in part gets us to

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<v Speaker 1>the issue in and around this election. Remember in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven when the border policyes of this country

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<v Speaker 1>were so harsh, so evil that people thought you could

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<v Speaker 1>loosen them and nothing would happen. Of course, fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>votes after Rudd did that came to the country and

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred people ended up dying. Well in the territory. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on in don Dale was too much.

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<v Speaker 1>But then when Natasha Files and other left wing parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the government turned around and said, let's get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the grog bands, let's loosen things up, let's raise

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<v Speaker 1>the age of criminal responsibility, well, of course none of

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<v Speaker 1>it gets rid of the crime. It just gets rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the people to be held account for the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>This is fascinating. By the way, the now former Chief Minister,

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<v Speaker 1>who in my view thankfully lost her seat. Well she

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be, and I'm talking politically, just a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a piece of work. She was nasty in that

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<v Speaker 1>People's Forum, and that will may be because she thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that the new broom is not worthy. Her speech went

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<v Speaker 1>on forever, talking about friends and family as in the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor Party, and the staffers were all the friends and

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<v Speaker 1>for Please, as soon as you start to think this

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<v Speaker 1>job is yours forever, guess what they'll take it away

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<v Speaker 1>from you. Natasha files Again, the former Chief Minister was

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<v Speaker 1>right there, front and center when the Prime Minister was

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<v Speaker 1>making appalling decisions in and around this area. Well, thankfully

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<v Speaker 1>now Labor has been sent packing. The COLP has a

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<v Speaker 1>tough job in front of it. But the expectation of

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who lives or loves the territory is get on

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<v Speaker 1>with it. Get on with it, yes, go as hard

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<v Speaker 1>as you possibly can. If you need to pull back

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<v Speaker 1>at some other point in time, fine and fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not living in the nineteen twenties. We're living in

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenties. So yes, there is a line. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to go hard. If options need to be

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<v Speaker 1>taken away from the judiciary because they are too soft

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<v Speaker 1>and we need to start moving to mandatory sentencing. Good

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<v Speaker 1>because if it creates a sense of fear that if

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<v Speaker 1>you commit crime, you will be caught for it and

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<v Speaker 1>you will be punished for it, then guess what happens

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<v Speaker 1>to crime? It slowly disappears. There will be a tough

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<v Speaker 1>road between now and then. Let's all make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>we have their back, chief ministers back and as I say,

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<v Speaker 1>the old boys get out of the way. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>in charge. She's in charge, and the territory is much

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<v Speaker 1>the better for it. The meantime, one of the frustrations

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<v Speaker 1>that we had at the very start of not this

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<v Speaker 1>but last year, was when the Prime Minister went to

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<v Speaker 1>Alice Springs. Now remember he was dragged, kicking and screaming.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't want to be there now, he didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be there, so the press conferences were all hole

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<v Speaker 1>behind closed doors and everyone was looking the other way.

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<v Speaker 1>He was there literally for a couple of hours, and

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<v Speaker 1>he literally spent more time flying to the territory that

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<v Speaker 1>he spent in the territory because his real priority for

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<v Speaker 1>the way to start twenty twenty three was to bugger

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<v Speaker 1>off the tennis, not for one night, but for of

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<v Speaker 1>course three nights copping his cheers back then and booze

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<v Speaker 1>this year. And the reason it has changed is because

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<v Speaker 1>Australians have had enough of his leadership. Remember, as we

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<v Speaker 1>have shown you multiple times reserved political monitor. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the one that comes from the left wing websites of

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<v Speaker 1>the Channel nine year his papers. It shows that fifty

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of people believe the Prime minister's performance to

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<v Speaker 1>be poor or very poor. That's the reality today and

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<v Speaker 1>the prime minister's run between now and December it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get any better. Why because guess who's coming

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<v Speaker 1>back air buss Albo now fresh from all of the

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<v Speaker 1>problems when he was flying around the world too much

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<v Speaker 1>of the start of his prime ministership and then he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to pull his head in towards the back part

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<v Speaker 1>of last year and for most of this year. He

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<v Speaker 1>is about to jump back on the plane. The next

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<v Speaker 1>place he's going to be off to is he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be going to Tonga for a Pacific Islands Forum.

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<v Speaker 1>No one will begrudge a prime minister doing that. Austraighted

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<v Speaker 1>plays a significant role in leadership in and around these areas.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do love the people that were even writing

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<v Speaker 1>about this itinerary who were saying, Oh, anyone who complains

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<v Speaker 1>about there's a sort of small mind who doesn't understand. No,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason we have complained about it is because he

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<v Speaker 1>nicknames the plane after his dog. He is so familiar

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<v Speaker 1>and happy to be somewhere else other than Australia because again,

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<v Speaker 1>by his own rules, he doesn't have to answer questions

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<v Speaker 1>about Australia. Well. During twenty twenty three, when he thought

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<v Speaker 1>that politics would be distracted by the voice, cost of

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<v Speaker 1>living and its reality became a massive issue towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the year, so much so that almost seventy

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<v Speaker 1>something almost eighty percent of people said the government wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>doing enough. That's why he's spent a summer trying to

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<v Speaker 1>reset a budget, trying to buy votes with billions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>But as we now said towards the back half of

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<v Speaker 1>August of twenty twenty four, things are just as bad,

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<v Speaker 1>if not worse, for many people around the country. Yet,

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<v Speaker 1>right now is when the Prime Minister is going to

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<v Speaker 1>fly around the world. Here's some of the places he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be going. I read directly from the account

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<v Speaker 1>that was in the Cydney Morning Herald. He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the inauguration and the Indonesian Prime Minister. He's

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to the Choggham meeting in Samoa. He's

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to the East Asia Summit in Laos.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to go to the APEAK meeting. Remember the

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<v Speaker 1>last time I was in San Francisco where they magically

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<v Speaker 1>got rid of all of the homeless people the Chinese.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, we're attacking members of our defense force, but

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<v Speaker 1>our Prime minister was sucking up to the Chinese President

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that nobody would notice what we did. That's in Peru.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's the G twenty summit in Brazil, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's a Quad leaders meeting in India. I'd say maybe

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the only one that he really needs to go

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<v Speaker 1>to is the Quad. The rest of it, well, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is him pretending to be the big boy on the

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<v Speaker 1>international stage. And gee, didn't that work out for Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>It will not work out for Anthony Albernezi again, because

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<v Speaker 1>Airbus Albo is a symbol. It's a symbol of priorities,

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<v Speaker 1>and if the priority is to bugger off and a

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<v Speaker 1>bugger off as many times as this plan between now

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<v Speaker 1>and the end of the year, while cost of living

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<v Speaker 1>squeeze is tighter than ever before. Well, it doesn't just

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<v Speaker 1>underline the perceptions, it makes the perceptions true about what

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<v Speaker 1>the priorities are. Now. Remember in twenty twenty three, when

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<v Speaker 1>it was all about the Voice and Airbus Albo, they

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<v Speaker 1>took fifteen hundred dollars away from ten million workers in

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<v Speaker 1>the instant in the sorry the load of middle income

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<v Speaker 1>tax off set. Twelve months later they gave you too little,

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<v Speaker 1>too late in the form of tax cuts, particularly for

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<v Speaker 1>people earning around forty five thousand dollars about fifteen dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a week. The expectation between now and December is that

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<v Speaker 1>nothing will happen with the Reserve Bank. If anything happens,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more likely to go up than it is to

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<v Speaker 1>go down. Other international markets may start going down, but

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<v Speaker 1>remember our inflation is higher than in places like the

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<v Speaker 1>United States or the United Kingdom, both of which claim

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<v Speaker 1>that inflation is one of the if not biggest issues

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<v Speaker 1>in an election that saw a government change in the

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<v Speaker 1>United Kingdom, or is the reason why it may well change,

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<v Speaker 1>or even the deputy of the government currently running for

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<v Speaker 1>the presidency the Vice President is trying to pretend she's

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<v Speaker 1>not involved in that government. Why because anyone associated with

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<v Speaker 1>inflation or the economy, well, they would sink like a stone.

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<v Speaker 1>Hence the remaking of Kamala Harris from Joe Biden's loyal

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<v Speaker 1>deputy to Obama in a pants suit. Meantime, even the

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<v Speaker 1>people who love the Prime Minister would love to stick around,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say, they say the time is running out

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the Parliament for them to actually be

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<v Speaker 1>able to deliver on promises. Take your pick age care reform.

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<v Speaker 1>Now supposedly a deal has been done. There will of

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<v Speaker 1>course be no lifetime cap that was the latest in negotiations.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll find out what gets leaked this week for anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who's trying to pay by an age care package at home.

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<v Speaker 1>With how strong the gambling advertising will be the political

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<v Speaker 1>donation system, will they limit the amount of money that

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<v Speaker 1>the teels can raise and spend going into the next election,

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<v Speaker 1>or because they're headed towards minority, will it all be

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<v Speaker 1>put off for another three years. Don't get me started

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<v Speaker 1>on housing and renting. The religious discrimination bill they're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to touch. They are of course going to do

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<v Speaker 1>everything they can to tighten things in the environment, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course more bureaucracy in and around climate change, the

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<v Speaker 1>hate speech legislation again, that won't get off the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>What about mining, what about the Reserve Bank? What about childcare?

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<v Speaker 1>What about aviation? Watch this space. Time is running out

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<v Speaker 1>metaphorically and literally. But the Prime Minister, well, he again

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<v Speaker 1>wants to change the subject. If he's not buggering off overseas,

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<v Speaker 1>he's having chats about his broken heart from way back

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<v Speaker 1>when this is when, of course, he was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>when his marriage had broken down, and all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is a distraction from the real issue of

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<v Speaker 1>the past two weeks. Again, I wish the man no

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<v Speaker 1>personal ill will, but I couldn't care less about the

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<v Speaker 1>personal backstory. Get on with the real deal, Get on

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<v Speaker 1>along with protecting our national borders, which includes rigorous screenings

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<v Speaker 1>for any and anyone who comes over that border. For

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, he couldn't tell us whether he agreed that

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<v Speaker 1>support verbal support for mass was a reason to come

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<v Speaker 1>or go from the country. Pretty obvious answer, regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>what you think of what's happening on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. And then, interestingly, as the Left, he's

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<v Speaker 1>tried to turn around and say the past couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks have been horrible, ugly, dirty racist. Dunton took twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five steps back well David Pempethy, of course, adelaide radio host,

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote in the papers over the weekend. So the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing that people such as Stegel don't get is

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<v Speaker 1>that concerns about crowding and cultural shifts from sudden surges

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<v Speaker 1>in immigration are at their most acute in the blue

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<v Speaker 1>collar suburbs when new migrants congregate. Exactly what we've been

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<v Speaker 1>saying for a couple of years, Zalie Stegel will need

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<v Speaker 1>a compass and a pack lunch to find these suburbs.

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<v Speaker 1>If Anthony Abernezi allows himself to be wedded to this issue,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be in massive strife. Losing a referendum

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<v Speaker 1>is one thing, losing an election something else. The PM

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<v Speaker 1>needs to change the subject and fast. His capacity to

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<v Speaker 1>do so has not been seen to this point, even

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<v Speaker 1>with billions of dollars in two too late tax cuts

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty five dollars a month off a power bill

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<v Speaker 1>that has already surged more than twenty five dollars. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's have a chat about Jackie Lamby now, I'll be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always had slightly mixed feelings about her because she

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<v Speaker 1>has an ability to present herself as the most normal

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<v Speaker 1>person in the Parliament. Her backstory is unlike most people

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<v Speaker 1>in the Parliament, so you always are willing to give

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<v Speaker 1>her a chance. She certainly has stood up for veterans,

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<v Speaker 1>and when she's screaming about the thing that you like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's nice to hear somebody else screaming about the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you like. But she does it about everything.

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<v Speaker 3>How about just for once today, just for once, put

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<v Speaker 3>the future of our kids first. Okay, that's what we've

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<v Speaker 3>got with et on us Mus this morning, so let's

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<v Speaker 3>call him out for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sick of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate bullies, billionaire bullies. I'll be looking forward to

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<v Speaker 3>having the comentedos sitting in front of me in the rebels,

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<v Speaker 3>because you won't get witnesses coming forward, you people, I've

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<v Speaker 3>be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Her political mix at times can be a bit strange,

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<v Speaker 1>where she'll come out hard against the nuttier parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the Union movement, like say to see it for me you,

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<v Speaker 1>but then she'll basically vote with Labor most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>The way that she's able to get her media profile

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<v Speaker 1>at the nowtional level is because she ticks two boxes

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<v Speaker 1>at one time. For most news organizations now the reality

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<v Speaker 1>is that most don't talk about Tasmanian politics, So she

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<v Speaker 1>ticks the box of someone from Tasmania, ie not Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>not Melbourne. The other box, of course, is somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>will give you the quote that could turn into a

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<v Speaker 1>news story, because she's the most outraged about whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that we're supposed to be outraged about. But

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<v Speaker 1>of course her ultimate power in the Parliament is that

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<v Speaker 1>she could deny the government of vote. She could say,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than just screaming at a press conference for the

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<v Speaker 1>consumption of everyone watching the press conference, if she wants

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<v Speaker 1>to stop something happening, she can say, I won't vote

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<v Speaker 1>for this or anything else you put in front of

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<v Speaker 1>us unless dot dot dot. She's done things like that

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, but that of course was only a

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<v Speaker 1>conservative thing. She of course goes into shows like Q

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<v Speaker 1>and A because again they think there's something conservative about

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<v Speaker 1>her because she started life with Clive Palmer. She's been

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<v Speaker 1>re elected in the conservative part of the northern part

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<v Speaker 1>of Tasmania, and Jackie Lamby has been successful at being

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<v Speaker 1>able to grow herself from just a senator in someone

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<v Speaker 1>else's name to a person who was able to win

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<v Speaker 1>back her seat in the Senate under her own party identity.

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<v Speaker 1>But she doesn't call it a party. It's called a network.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Jackie Lambie network. That photo taken from her

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<v Speaker 1>website to show the strength that she has in northern Tasmania,

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<v Speaker 1>where again the population's not massive, so to get the

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<v Speaker 1>requisite fifteen percent of the vote, it's a much smaller

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<v Speaker 1>number of people than to get the same percentage of

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<v Speaker 1>the vote to qualify to be a Senator in somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>like Victoria, New South Wales or in Queensland. But that's geography,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just the way that it works. There's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with that system. She showed that she had political coattails

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two. You see, after she had been

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Parliament in twenty nineteen, she chose a staffer,

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<v Speaker 1>a lady by the name of Tammy Tyrrell, to be

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate candidate who who was able to win her

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<v Speaker 1>own place for six years in the Senate. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course it was generally all the posters Jackie, all the

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<v Speaker 1>messages Jackie, and of course these were two peas in

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<v Speaker 1>the pod. How good two for the price of one.

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<v Speaker 1>Now she even said at the time that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie because well, of course, while Tammy had been in

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<v Speaker 1>and around the negotiations process as a staffer, it's different

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<v Speaker 1>when you have a vote in the Senate. Well, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what happened, she walked. She is now an independent senator. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This happened towards the start of this year. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>this had been one nation, it had been a much

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<v Speaker 1>bigger story because it was the Jackie Lamby network. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>there was nothing to see here. Apparently it was amicable.

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<v Speaker 1>But still if you've gone from two votes to one vote,

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<v Speaker 1>literally half of your party representation has completely disappeared. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie will be on the ballot at the next federal

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<v Speaker 1>election because of all of this national media attention. She

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<v Speaker 1>will no doubt be returned to Parliament. But whether she

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<v Speaker 1>will be able to bring other people with her will

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<v Speaker 1>be fascinating to see. And even if she does, how

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<v Speaker 1>long can she hold on to them? You see, because

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<v Speaker 1>in and around Lonceston and Bernie everything up around the

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<v Speaker 1>north of the state. She is very popular there. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember in the lead up to the twenty nineteen election,

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<v Speaker 1>we did a pub test. Jacque Lamy was falling over

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<v Speaker 1>herself to be my best mate to get on the show.

0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.520
<v Speaker 1>She was falling over herself to talk about issues like

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<v Speaker 1>veterans affairs, but it became really difficult to get her

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<v Speaker 1>on the show after that election had taken place. So again,

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 1>she's a smart politician who is willing to use any

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<v Speaker 1>in every camera, any in every microphone she can. But

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that she is a hardcore this or a

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<v Speaker 1>hard core that is not really true. She's a hardcore

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<v Speaker 1>all about her, which makes her just like every other politician.

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<v Speaker 1>But she does have a different perspective, a different style.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's like every other politician. The whole point of

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<v Speaker 1>politics is to stay in politics. You stay in politics,

0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 1>there's a pretty penny in it. You remain a household name,

0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.080
<v Speaker 1>and you're able to spread your wings and get other

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>people to run with you as if you are part

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<v Speaker 1>of a political movement. She's apparently planning to run candidates

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 1>all around the country at the next federal election. Who

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 1>will be donating, who will be helping with their preferences. Well, again,

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 1>this will be fascinating to see. But in the state

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.000
<v Speaker 1>election that took place this year. As we told you,

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie Lamby and the network was able to get not

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:29.639
<v Speaker 1>one or two, but three people into the lower House.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Liberal Party was not able to get a majority.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine, that's the way the people speak. This is

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that by their own admission before the

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<v Speaker 1>Tasmanian election that Jackie Lamby Network had zero policies.

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<v Speaker 4>So definitely with the Lambia netgroup, it's all about values.

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<v Speaker 4>So we haven't already got predecided policies or specific areas

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<v Speaker 4>and that's to me, that's true democracy here. We are

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<v Speaker 4>representing the people.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. The way that these MPs worked was that because

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Labor was not in a position to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>form any sort of a government in Tasmania, the Lamby

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.920
<v Speaker 1>MP's kind of had to vote with the government, which

0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 1>meant they had to look them in the eye and

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<v Speaker 1>do some sort of a deal, not to power share

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>in the government, but basically to have the three votes

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 1>that could topple the government at any time, which is

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>why when they did the deal with the Premiere it

0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 1>was set up to fail. Why because at its very

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 1>hard the Lamby Network, in Lamby in particular, doesn't want

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 1>to have to come up with ideas. They only want

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<v Speaker 1>to criticize everyone else's. They want to lick the finger

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 1>and work out what's popular and what's not popular, because

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>whatever's not popular you end up championing because the media

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>will then follow you as the champion of the thing

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:48.119
<v Speaker 1>that isn't popular. Therefore you're the one who's the battering

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 1>ram against the government. And people say, oh, I like Jackie.

0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 1>She tells the truth. Now, no doubt she'll that that

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Harry hits with me talking about all of this. But

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.400
<v Speaker 1>this is just her form. She may we'll move into

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<v Speaker 1>one of those people who believes we have to angel

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 1>laws to shut down stations like this, but this is

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 1>just the reality. She couldn't hold her onto her own

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<v Speaker 1>senator in Canberra, and now she can't hold onto her

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 1>own MPs. Apparently she made the decision to bounce a

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>couple of these existing MPs from the Jackie Lamby Network,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning they are now formally independence. They go off, they

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:23.640
<v Speaker 1>do their own deal with the government that I would

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<v Speaker 1>imagine we'll probably go for the full three years rather

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 1>than the twelve month deal, which is all about trying

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 1>to get to an election sooner rather than later because

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 1>when the Lamby network pulls, they pulls the pin. They

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<v Speaker 1>would do it at a time of their own political success. Interestingly, though,

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<v Speaker 1>the other reporting though, is that the people who used

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the Jackie Lamby network, two of those

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>three MP's have said the reason they got out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way was because they don't want her over their shoulder.

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 1>And guess who one of the people is who got

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<v Speaker 1>the ass from the Jackie Lamby network. The very lady

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<v Speaker 1>who was this pro lambigu going into the Tasmanian election.

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 1>The same lady who kind of quietly admitted they have

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<v Speaker 1>no policies. But this is a woman who was all

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<v Speaker 1>in on Jackie.

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<v Speaker 4>She'll come down and she'll spend a couple of hours

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<v Speaker 4>with us, waving flag at the end of her wrong day.

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:17.959
<v Speaker 4>It's like looking with the celebrity.

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<v Speaker 1>Have the amounted people.

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 4>To come over and go, oh, can I have a vote?

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 4>All right, that's good for you. Well, I get to

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 4>be a photographer for a day.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if from a bar of soap, don't

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>know what she's like behind the scenes, but when she

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>was that enthusiastic before the election, she becomes one of

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>three after the election, and then she gets booted because

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>she's too close to the government, whatever that means. They

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>are the government, you want to work with them to

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 1>get things for your community, or maybe these people have

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 1>just got it all the wrong way around. Delivering for

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 1>the community is not the point. Blowing up about the

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 1>government is the point, because then you get a run

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:56.720
<v Speaker 1>on the TV, and the more runs on the TV,

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the more votes you get, and round and round it

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 1>goes again. Jackie Lamby is a very talented politician, very talented,

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<v Speaker 1>no question about it. Her capacity to be able to

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>push back on everything that I've just told you is immense.

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 1>It's as big as any major party leader, as any

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 1>national figure. And again she'd be very annoyed at what

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 1>I've had to say here. But can someone somewhere in

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the world of Canberra start trying to work out why

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:28.919
<v Speaker 1>did she lose her senator? Why has she lost her

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 1>state MPs? I think we all know potentially what the

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>answer may be, but we'll all have to wait and

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 1>read it somewhere eventually maybe or will everyone stay away

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>from it because they don't want to get in a

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>bad side. And she's just such good talent because she's

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>had in the Middle East that are happening as we

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>speak now, as we know, Iran most likely expected to

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 1>respond to Israel, which of course was responding. You know,

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>let's not play that game, but the expectations were that

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>things we get pretty full on out of Lebanon. Now,

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>if Lebanon and Israel went to war, it is a

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>much bigger, much more complicated scenario than what's playing out

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>in Gaza as we speak. Hezbollah, who is the organization

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:18.239
<v Speaker 1>in Lebanon, while a lot of their planes have been

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>blown up tonight, why because Israel is trying to remove

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the capacity of that force to be able to fly

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>in or near Israel in the middle of a war.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch this space. This one looks like it's going to

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 1>get deeper, going to get darker, going to get harder.

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>There are a couple hundred thousand Australians that are in

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<v Speaker 1>and around Lebanon. Of course, there are many Australians that

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>are everywhere from the West Bank to Gaza and plenty

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>in between. Reach out to as many people as you

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>can tonight and tell them if they can get out

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 1>of dodge, who knows what's going to happen in the

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 1>next little while And finally on American politics before we

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>get a great conversation looking into all matters to do

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>with news here at home and abroad. We thought it

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>was happening, and it happened. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Has

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>decided to suspend his own presidential campaign. He's now fully endorsed,

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and he is behind Trump, not off to the side,

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>He's literally on stage with him. And whoever bought the firecrackers,

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>well done. Nice piece of theater for everyone to see.

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>As these two people who are equally very inside, but

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>their opinions, their brand, their opinion is very outsider. These

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>two blokes together are going to really make the establishment frightened,

0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>which of course is why that we referred to as

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<v Speaker 1>nutters every day between now and the election recair.

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<v Speaker 5>Great causes drove me to an to this race in

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<v Speaker 5>the first place, primarily, and these are the principal causes

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 5>that persuaded me to leave the Democratic Democratic Party and

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 5>run as an independent and now to throw my support

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 5>a President Trump. The causes were a free speech warrant,

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<v Speaker 5>Ukraine war and.

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<v Speaker 1>No children Now again, many of the videos you've abill

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<v Speaker 1>see on YouTube a people calling him a freak and

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>all the rest of it, and there's so much that

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>I do not agree with in any way, shape or form.

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>But the stuff that he talks about when it comes

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to chronic disease is really interesting. The idea about how

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 1>sick America is now, how and why. Again, we all

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 1>may differ, but that's something that I want to talk about.

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 1>We just had a week of Kamala Harris being celebrated

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 1>for Obama in a pantsuit, and that's it. No idea

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>is no policy, is just rah Rashi's not him. Now,

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 1>RFK had sizeable support in many of the seven swing

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>states that will decide the election. Now, most of his support,

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>which was the Democratic support, meant that his numbers were

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>higher before Biden dropped out, which means most of the Dems,

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>if not all of them, have gone back. And some

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>of these people, of course, they'll just set it out

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>no interest whatsoever. I'm not going to vote for that

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>evil Trump. But let's imagine half of these people do

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<v Speaker 1>it changes things. It would mean that Trump wins Arizona, Georgia.

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 1>It means that Michigan would become very competitive. Nevada, Trump

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to put it away. He'd be able

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>to easily win North Carolina, he'd be able very close,

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>if not win Pennsylvania. And if Trump wins Nevada, Arizona Pennsylvania,

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>game over. That's why this is so big, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why we will talk about it plenty more between now

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<v Speaker 1>and when we're done tonight, and many days between now

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<v Speaker 1>and November. In the meantime, we stand by on this

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the twenty fifth of August to find out when Kamala

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Harris will actually do an interview before the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the month. We're in a secure on Paulmurray life. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>so much for watching wherever you happen to be, love

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you about any and everything. But let's

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>talk again tee politics and what it really means next.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks very much for watching. Lida Scott is here wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you You could do that during the break, you know, guys.

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Now let's get to Lida Scott, who was of course here.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just got a couple of weeks left there at

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<v Speaker 1>City Citdney Council and then she can do whatever she

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<v Speaker 1>wants with the life, which I'm sure will be deep,

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>rewarding and reaching all the rest of it. And of

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>course Christian McSweeney are joining us from the pr Council.

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<v Speaker 1>She is in Melbourne right now. Lots to talk about

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>with both of you. Let's go back to the top here.

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<v Speaker 1>Northern Territory election and what it means now I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is there are not a lot of federal seats there.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there are only two, so if there has

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 1>been some seismic move from red to blue or the

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>best case scenario would be two at the next federal election.

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 1>But Christie, I think something that is buried inside of

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 1>all of this is that there is only so long

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 1>that people will cop this. These aren't the droids you're

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>looking for style of politics which is often played on

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the left. Oh there's no crime crisis here, or here's

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the stats which say it's not really as bad as

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>it seems, or things like let's raise the age of

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>criminal responsibility. That doesn't make the crime go away, It

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>just makes who's responsible for it go away. And I

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>think that is the lesson out of what's happened here.

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<v Speaker 1>Crime is obviously not a federal responsibility, but gas lighting

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<v Speaker 1>an electorate is not the way to win them over,

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<v Speaker 1>which is exactly what int Labor did.

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<v Speaker 6>You're certainly right, Paul. The number one issue there was crime,

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<v Speaker 6>but there's a lot of other issues. To win an

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:13.360
<v Speaker 6>election in the territory, you have to win the north

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<v Speaker 6>and the outback, and the CLP has won six seats

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<v Speaker 6>north of what they call the Behrama line, which is

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 6>a dividing line, and people north of that line where

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<v Speaker 6>the CLP has hit those six seats to produce a

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<v Speaker 6>swing over around eighteen to twenty percent on current votes

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:33.280
<v Speaker 6>coming in means that some of the more affluent voters

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 6>in the territory have voted for the CLP. They've also

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 6>won the public service sectors of Catherine and Alice Springs.

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<v Speaker 6>That's very significant and part of the reason why was

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<v Speaker 6>because voters have overwhelmingly supported the Strategic Gas Plan, which

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<v Speaker 6>is opening up of the Betterloo base, which is economic

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 6>investment into the territory, which is jobs, which is clawing

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 6>back some of the eleven billion dollars in debt the territory.

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<v Speaker 6>It is in that's been voted for by Coalition voters

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<v Speaker 6>and by Labor voters, and it indicates that labor continues

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<v Speaker 6>to be between a rock and a hard place, negotiating

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 6>with greeds and trying to prove their green credentials. And

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 6>this is a state that traditionally has voted labor. They're

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:27.400
<v Speaker 6>now losing seats with a contest between Greens and the

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 6>Coalition in inner city seats, seats like Fanny Bay. The

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 6>Coalition hasn't won it since nineteen ninety four. It's the

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 6>most affluent seat in inner city Darwin and they're on

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 6>a knife edge with the colp between the Greens. Labor

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 6>is out of the picture. Territorians have not voted for

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 6>what they are selling, which is an anti mining and Leah,

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:50.760
<v Speaker 6>she can go to camber Down and have an ally

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:54.320
<v Speaker 6>in Roger Cook who continues to tell the Albanese government

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<v Speaker 6>to shelf this anti mining nature. Positive agender, excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved all that data. Well done, Linda. I think

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<v Speaker 1>another thing worth mentioning here is that this Labor Greens

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 1>battle right now, there are some disgraceful decisions which are

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>happening in Queensland where we're starting to read about the

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Liberal Party preferencing the Greens over labor. That's madness. I

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 1>think that the Liberal parties are finding any way to

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:25.879
<v Speaker 1>get Greens in just as a way of punishing labor.

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 1>You don't know what you're unleashing. Right. Conversely, labor backing

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 1>in Teals, not the Liberal Party. Same issue here, the

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 1>idea that the Greens are now popping up in Darwin.

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 1>We know they're in Brisbane, we know they're in Melbourne.

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>We know that. Literally it's Plebisek and albanezy as the

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>reasons why there's not a change in Sydney. But this

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:47.800
<v Speaker 1>is in the same way that the Teals are. This

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 1>is a mathematical problem, isn't it for labor.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, it is the case as has been said that

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<v Speaker 7>in the Northern Territory election it was a classic example

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 7>of labor getting squeezed from the left and squeezed from

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<v Speaker 7>the righte I do think, and you know, full congratulations

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 7>to Leah and the coorpteam. They won a resounding result

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 7>on Saturday and you know they will clearly form government

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.399
<v Speaker 7>in their own right. But to your question Paul about

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 7>the Greens, I think it is really an interesting national trend.

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 7>We are seeing them campaigning on different issues around the country.

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 7>You know, in Sydney and Melbourne they're only talking about Palestine.

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 7>In Queensland they're only talking about housing. So they're specialist

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.840
<v Speaker 7>at one single issue. But the single issue does change

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 7>around the nation and it is it is right to

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 7>call out that it is squeezing labor. But when you

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:40.359
<v Speaker 7>start to see what is happening in Brisbane, where it's

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.720
<v Speaker 7>been revealed just recently that it looks like the LNP

0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.720
<v Speaker 7>leader there, David Christoph Wooley, has agreed to a preference

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 7>deal with the Greens for those inner city Brisbane seats

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 7>for the upcoming Queensland election, you have to call into

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 7>question what the Liberals do stand for. You have to

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 7>call into question whether Peter Dutton is going to allow

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 7>this kind of a preference arrangement to go ahead completely

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 7>in defiance of presumably Liberal Party value.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, look, I lose my brain about this

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 1>all of the time, Christy, because I mean, we know

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>what they're like once they actually get there, we know

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 1>what their plan is, and we know that basically, you know,

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 1>like pac Man or MS Pacman or they Pacman, they're

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 1>going to sort of chew up all they can between

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 1>now and then until eventually you know, they've they've cleared

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the board to push the metaphor from a long time ago.

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I just think the Liberal Party playing any games, who

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>knows what they get in return? Right, and maybe in

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.919
<v Speaker 1>return there's preferences in certain swing seats, but I would

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>prefer Labor and the Liberal Party to be getting together

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 1>to kill off Teals and kill off Greens. Otherwise we're

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>going to end up with this sort of massive minority

0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>party parliaments at the state and federal level, and they

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 1>are not going to produce better results. They will only

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 1>produce more results to the left.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, the rise of minor parties in single issue independent

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 6>is not going anywhere. It continues to track upwards. The

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.800
<v Speaker 6>Greens vote at the twenty twenty two election was twelve

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.320
<v Speaker 6>percent and in some areas you know we've mentioned Brisbane

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 6>in some electorates is extremely high twenty four percent. Seats

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 6>in Melbourne are on a knife edge with the Greens

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 6>looking to not preference Labor so they can win those seats.

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 6>Out right, in a way, the divorce is well and

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 6>truly happening, and a separation of those assets, with the

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 6>Greens to say where out to take these and Labor

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:34.200
<v Speaker 6>if you want to keep them, you have to Outgreen us,

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 6>which is essentially what Labor is doing. And as we've said,

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 6>Labor has been wedged from the left. The coalition, though,

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 6>will say, is in a position where Greens twelve percent

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 6>on a national average means it has to lift its

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 6>primary to equal that twelve percent and overcome it. Or

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.440
<v Speaker 6>say the Greens aren't going to preference labor at the

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 6>federal election and say ten target seats. That's still sort

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 6>of sick or seven percent that the coalition has to

0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 6>lift to overcome the fact they don't have a preference

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 6>preference partner on the right side. The reality is they do,

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 6>which is one nation, But people refuse to come to

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:17.000
<v Speaker 6>a position where it's actually not bad to preference them

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:18.240
<v Speaker 6>in some elector.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, of course, because you know, forgive me, but

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>many lives in Melbourne freak out about preference deals with

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 1>one nation because they play differently in the way the

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 1>media plays again, you know, first past the post. I'd

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:31.920
<v Speaker 1>be happy with that system. If you have to have

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:33.759
<v Speaker 1>a preference system at some point, you have to rank

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 1>people a preference discipline. As I've said before, twenty nineteen

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 1>United Australia Party one nation pretty much the majority of

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the preferences or dare I say sort of you know,

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 1>say sixty forty go to the coalition they win an election,

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>flips the other way around. Guess what happens, you end

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>up with where we are right now. Remember Labor did

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>win ninety seats. They won seventy seven of the last

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:55.560
<v Speaker 1>election and then chuck another one in and they get

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the seventy eight. You need only seventy six to get

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 1>across hardly Howard Rudd or Abbot style backbenches. Now let's

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 1>talk about that. The right to disconnect stuff kicks in tomorrow.

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I have been listening to some people trying to pretend

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.479
<v Speaker 1>this means you cannot, under any circumstances send a text

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 1>affter five o'clock. You actually can. The whole point is

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>it's that you don't call twenty five times afterwards at seven, eight,

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.760
<v Speaker 1>nine and ten. That's who is going to be punished

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 1>by this law. But if the perception is you can't

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.440
<v Speaker 1>send a text affter five o'clock, what does that mean

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 1>for the Australian workforce?

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 7>Linda, Well, look, this is just about Australian workers, you know, police, nurses, teachers,

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 7>asking for the right and being granted the right to

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 7>be able to expect that once you leave work and

0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:46.319
<v Speaker 7>stop getting paid, you don't get lots of calls and

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:48.640
<v Speaker 7>continue to be asked for work. And I think that's

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:52.959
<v Speaker 7>a really reasonable expectation pre mobile phones, Paul Murray, because

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 7>you know we're so old we do remember those days.

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 1>You can go around the corner and talk to your mate.

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 7>It wasn't really an issue, right, and so it is.

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:07.600
<v Speaker 7>It is an issue that is linkeding technology. But I

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.279
<v Speaker 7>just think it's completely reasonable. And of course if you

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 7>need to make you know, a phone call, and you're

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:16.839
<v Speaker 7>paying somebody over time, or you're recognizing somehow in their

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 7>employment conditions that they're on call, that that is a

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 7>very reasonable thing to do. People get rosted as nurses

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 7>being on call. But what this is, and you know,

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:29.720
<v Speaker 7>my children are in beautiful public schools. It's not okay

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 7>for people to be able to call teachers six seven,

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 7>eight o'clock at night. We spell email them expect them

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 7>to have answered by the next morning. You know, it

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 7>is reasonable that people are asking for this rise.

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 1>But also you know, CHRISTI, to me, it's about the

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 1>government trying to say where the line is. Right now,

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:49.240
<v Speaker 1>we know that the line where the law gets involved

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>and you're going to go after Fair Work Commission and

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get a fine is again multiple contacts outside.

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>It is not about a singular example, if somebody does

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 1>get one text at six fifteen and then they decided

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 1>to challenge it off to the Fair Work Commission. We'll

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.280
<v Speaker 1>all wait and see. But do you think the government

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 1>has been clear enough in saying what are the reasonable

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 1>interactions versus are hard shut off when you say tadah

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 1>at the end of a day.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I don't think they have. And the reason why

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 6>they haven't is because it's been a legislation that was

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:26.800
<v Speaker 6>hurried through the Parliament designed to satisfy the union agenda.

0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:29.359
<v Speaker 6>It's part of the amendments to the Fair Work Act.

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 6>They went through in two chrances of the legislation with

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 6>Tony Burke very quickly so they could deliver the ACTU

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 6>agenda Holess Bowlers. There are something like eleven and a

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 6>half million employees in Australia. Only twelve percent of them

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 6>are members of the union. This is legislation designed for

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.920
<v Speaker 6>the union and that's why we don't hear about how

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 6>it's going to affect anybody else except for teachers and

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 6>police officers, because that outside of those twelve percent of

0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:59.919
<v Speaker 6>people in Australia who are in a union and who

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 6>like to have those union awards set out for them,

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:06.880
<v Speaker 6>and that's a good thing that people have clarity in

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:12.520
<v Speaker 6>those sectors. However, the rest of Australia has little clarity.

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:14.799
<v Speaker 6>And don't forget the Coalition had to water it down

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:19.400
<v Speaker 6>and expose a loophole that demonstrated that employers could actually

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 6>face criminal penalty in the rest of the Australian business community.

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 6>I couldn't run a business in what I do, and

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.760
<v Speaker 6>you can't be a political staffer either if you're turning

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 6>up to fair work saying I got a text from

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 6>the Industrial re litionce Minister at five point fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well tell me about it. I'll be preparing for

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.719
<v Speaker 1>a show while midair between the East Coast and the

0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 1>West Coast later this week as we hit our way

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:44.400
<v Speaker 1>towards Western Australia, looking forward to our town next weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to send me an email, pull it's

0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 1>gone news, dot com, dot a ubernormal tickets. We have

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 1>a nice full room and I appreciate everyone who has

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:53.480
<v Speaker 1>hit us up. Let's take a quick break. We'll talk

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.799
<v Speaker 1>about Queen Kamala. A barmer in a pants suit or

0:44:56.840 --> 0:45:05.279
<v Speaker 1>an empty pantsuit or in a seat. Thank you very much.

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Fortune wherever you happen to be. We will get to

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 1>a bold prediction at a moment or two is time. But

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.400
<v Speaker 1>how can I not ask Kristy McSweeney All Linda's got

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 1>their thoughts on Queen Kamala Harris. Now, Christy, I want

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to talk about some of the language that was in

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and around the DNC and most people watching us now. Firstly,

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 1>this stuff happens in the middle of the day. They

0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>have busy lives, and it is another country, so they're

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>not going to pay attention to every word. But literally

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 1>of what very little is on the table, it was

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I will fight for this and I will fight for that,

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:30.880
<v Speaker 1>which I noticed is not a promise to actually deliver

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 1>any of it. That said, no interviews, Media loves her

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 1>should be sort of carried on the backs of many

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 1>between now and the debate. What do you think of

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 1>how this works and do you think that the RFK

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:48.399
<v Speaker 1>of it all does numerically put Trump back on top.

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 6>I think the RFK inclusion into the Trump campaign has

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 6>short up people who were probably leaning towards Trump anyway.

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 6>They're sort of the Clive Palmer voters of America. They're

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 6>people who are vehemently against vaccination and various other issues

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:14.520
<v Speaker 6>that sort of sit out there a little bit on

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 6>the fringe. That's not to say if you believe in that,

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:19.360
<v Speaker 6>you're on the fringe, but that is an issue that

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 6>they see of significant importance. So all it does is

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.879
<v Speaker 6>move people who would lean towards him anyway and give

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 6>them a pathway to say, well, we're now going to

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 6>fully back Donald Trump. They're not Democrat voters anyway. But

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:38.239
<v Speaker 6>Kamala Harris ignoring the media, it's obviously a strategy. It's

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.799
<v Speaker 6>obviously a tactic. It's bad for democracy that we have

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 6>two candidates in the running to lead the free world

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:48.360
<v Speaker 6>who ignore the mainstream press and prefer to do interviews

0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:49.320
<v Speaker 6>on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the.

0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 6>Only interviewer she's done is interviewing Tim wat and he

0:46:54.239 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 6>interviewing her. That's supposed to be the big interview the

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:05.520
<v Speaker 6>convention timing that's just ridiculous. It's really poor in terms

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 6>of what the Democrats are seeking to do to build

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 6>her up. But they're used to having election campaigns that

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.359
<v Speaker 6>go for two years. They don't understand this ninety day

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 6>model like we do here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, dare I say the policy or ideas one, Linda,

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:20.800
<v Speaker 1>you would have had put form much more detail running

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<v Speaker 1>for local government than they are. You know, when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the American politics, I've got literally sixty seconds

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on it and the past week and the.

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<v Speaker 7>I still think it's a really open election. It's going

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<v Speaker 7>to be just such fascinating watching. I think Kamale has

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<v Speaker 7>had a great convention, but that doesn't mean she's going

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<v Speaker 7>to win. But the Trump demographic change I think is

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<v Speaker 7>still just not talked about enough. You know, the teams

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<v Speaker 7>does have endorsed Trump RFK. I mean, these are really

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<v Speaker 7>significant demographic changes. The Democrats are targeting, you know, ethnic minorities,

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<v Speaker 7>people of color. It's changed. It's a really different America.

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<v Speaker 7>It's going to be a different election. I still think

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<v Speaker 7>it's very up for grabs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I just think that, you know, I get

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<v Speaker 1>it the people who are in charge of this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>of New York and Los Angeles and DC, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>that ain't where they've got to win. They've got to

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<v Speaker 1>win lots of other places, and that's where they think

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<v Speaker 1>people like you know, you've got to listen to some

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<v Speaker 1>of these local senators that are obviously.

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<v Speaker 7>Into the MAZ You know they always the mas correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, guys, do appreciate it. We'll see

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