WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 26 May

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for watching. What a good swimming was

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<v Speaker 1>in Cans last night. The weather a little bit different

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<v Speaker 1>when we got back to the man Cave. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone who watched and who supported and who gave

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<v Speaker 1>us a great time in the far North. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>to an awful lot tonight, including the cleanup operation in

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<v Speaker 1>and around those news so wild floods will go back

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<v Speaker 1>to Tarre. We're also going to have a chat about, well,

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<v Speaker 1>something they always say that happens to be the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of what always happened, something different about power bills, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take a couple of seconds to explain

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<v Speaker 1>not quite the fatal flaw in the Dead Star, but

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps a little design fault that is in part of

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<v Speaker 1>the difference between the way the Liberal Party and the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor Party works. So believe that'll be a good chat

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<v Speaker 1>coming up a little bit later. But first before we

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<v Speaker 1>get to all the politics, and again we will go

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<v Speaker 1>live to those regions at a moment or two time, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get to a nice moment that took place today in

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<v Speaker 1>and around that cleanup effort. Now it is heartbreaking for

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<v Speaker 1>the extreme Madjo already. In fact, all the people that

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<v Speaker 1>are involved in this clean up effort. Depending on where

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<v Speaker 1>you are, depending on the city, depending on how complicated

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<v Speaker 1>things are, it's been a really tough couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there's even some more that might be coming

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to extra wind and rain in and

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<v Speaker 1>around now the south and center of the country.

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<v Speaker 2>The winds were pretty ferocious today and that was due

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<v Speaker 2>to a strong low pressure system and cold front which

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<v Speaker 2>we can see swirling away. It's this clockwise complex mass

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<v Speaker 2>making its way from the Great Australian Biton pushing into

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria this afternoon. This generated widespread average winds sixty to

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<v Speaker 2>seventy kilometers per hour.

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<v Speaker 3>They were howling all.

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<v Speaker 2>Day long across South's Australia and also elevated terrain in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, of course, part of the cleanup operation has been

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<v Speaker 1>farmers of all different kinds trying to take stock and

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<v Speaker 1>see how much of the livestock has perished in the

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<v Speaker 1>past couple of days. But the reason I start with

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<v Speaker 1>all of this now is because there was one little,

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<v Speaker 1>very small race of hope. It was captured in fact

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<v Speaker 1>during interview that was being done. I believe with the Guardian.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a nice moment when people thought all was lost,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>We put them under the bridge to keep them in

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<v Speaker 4>the high point. They were in about that much water,

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<v Speaker 4>standing in water and it was still rising. Okay, we've

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<v Speaker 4>found a little boycott. I thought we've lost one in

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<v Speaker 4>the water. We thought he might have drowned, but apparently

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<v Speaker 4>he's there. She had twins in the water in the mud.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's a tough time for everyone. But if there

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<v Speaker 1>is just a little positive story here and there to

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<v Speaker 1>help get people through, I'm more than happy to pass

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<v Speaker 1>it on. Before the election, the federal government was very

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<v Speaker 1>clear in telling us that these are not the droids

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for. And despite the fact that they had

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<v Speaker 1>failed to deliver on a central promise of power prices

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<v Speaker 1>going down by two hundred and seventy five dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>the previous three years, that an actual fact. Despite the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that you were paying more than you were three

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<v Speaker 1>years ago for power, it was still technically going down.

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<v Speaker 4>In the last year to December, and the official inflation

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<v Speaker 4>data electricity prices went down by twenty five percent, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course the Prime Minister and the Climate Change and

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Minister more than happy to rub this one in.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, they have viewed the massive election victory, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is massive election victory by the Labor Party to

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<v Speaker 1>be an absolute slam dunk that the suburbs, that the

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<v Speaker 1>Bush love the renewable any energy scheme, They love the

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<v Speaker 1>billions of dollars, nay almost to trillion dollars which is

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to be spent to movers from one

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<v Speaker 1>system to another. And regardless of the fact that they

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<v Speaker 1>broke a central promise, regardless of the fact that things

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<v Speaker 1>cost more, well, they win. So if they win, then

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<v Speaker 1>they win for all time. So what have we all

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about? What have the polsters been telling us

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<v Speaker 1>for years and years and years? Apparently all of that

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<v Speaker 1>gone finished. Well, there was a little news story that

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<v Speaker 1>happened today, And Jesus, isn't it so convenient that it

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<v Speaker 1>happens just a couple of weeks after the election, not

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks before or a cost of living election.

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<v Speaker 5>Power bills are about to soar with price rises of

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<v Speaker 5>up to ten percent. In some bad news today, power

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<v Speaker 5>prices are set to increase by almost ten percent next year.

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<v Speaker 6>Household power bills are about to go up by as

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<v Speaker 6>much as ten percent.

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<v Speaker 1>So the election result absolutely clear, and the official result

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to glean from the election is that

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<v Speaker 1>people don't care about their power bills. People don't care

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<v Speaker 1>about an increase in their power bills. People were convinced

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<v Speaker 1>and bought off by a government that wasn't able to

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<v Speaker 1>reduce their power bill, instead paid the power bill or

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<v Speaker 1>part of the power bill to the power company not

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<v Speaker 1>to pass on the endless increases. And apparently next time again,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you and I will feel a certain way,

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<v Speaker 1>But once you hear somebody else saying they're complaining about

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<v Speaker 1>their power bills, we'll ask them how they voted, because

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<v Speaker 1>obviously extreme majority, at least with their first or second

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<v Speaker 1>preference of Australians will they're more th happy with the

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<v Speaker 1>system that keeps promising one thing and delivering another.

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<v Speaker 7>The best thing we can do is keeping ongoing with

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<v Speaker 7>a roll out of renewable doing no.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick fixes and no silver bullet.

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<v Speaker 8>That's the message from the federal government as the nation

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<v Speaker 8>confronts an energy crisis.

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<v Speaker 9>Renewable energy is by far the cheapest form of energy.

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<v Speaker 8>If you've been astounded by your quarterly power bill, you're

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<v Speaker 8>not alone.

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<v Speaker 6>Stick with the plan for the cheapest form of energy,

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<v Speaker 6>which is renewable.

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<v Speaker 1>So everyone at high and has a power bill going

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment, they are reaching all time highs, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that renewable energy is the cheapest form of energy.

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<v Speaker 6>Energy regulators have confirmed the default market offer will rise

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<v Speaker 6>by as much as nine point seven percent from July one.

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<v Speaker 1>It is wild, isn't it. People tell posters that number

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<v Speaker 1>one issue is cost of living. A big proponent of

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<v Speaker 1>that is the cost of an electricity bill. They keep

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<v Speaker 1>being told that the solution to the problem is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be cheaper, But of course the construction of the

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<v Speaker 1>solution to the problem is one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>the power bill keeps going up and up, up up,

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<v Speaker 1>And when given a chance to vote on it, Australians

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly didn't care. Two thirds of people made the decision

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<v Speaker 1>not to offer anything but a ringing endorsement of what

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<v Speaker 1>the government has put in place. But maybe it wasn't that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe people didn't fall for that. Maybe, of course they

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<v Speaker 1>believed that the Prime Minister was the one who was

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<v Speaker 1>telling the truth, telling you that you only need a

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<v Speaker 1>Medicare card to go anywhere near a GP clinic, and

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be able to bulk bill, and ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 1>people will be able to bulk bill, and you'll never

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<v Speaker 1>need a credit card again. Even though we learn that

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<v Speaker 1>the general practitioners, the very people who would be in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of whether they bulk bill or don't bolk bill,

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two percent of them have said they will not

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<v Speaker 1>be running that system. Now, politics is always about what

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<v Speaker 1>you want to debate. Politics is if things are moving

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<v Speaker 1>your way, great because you don't have to fight on

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else's turf. Now, no sooks, no losers is generally

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<v Speaker 1>the way that we play the game. And I am

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<v Speaker 1>not being either of those right now. But it is

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<v Speaker 1>just amazing to the third of the country that overtly

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<v Speaker 1>did not want what has ended up to be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>The ones who saw they were basing about power bills,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who saw they were basing about bolt billing,

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<v Speaker 1>it now seems. And of course people are very reticent

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<v Speaker 1>to ever say they made a mistake and Australia didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make a mistake because of course Richo is always right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that the mob is always correct. But just

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<v Speaker 1>how effective was that BS machine of the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 1>Just how effective was all of those little tactics that

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<v Speaker 1>we showed you when it came to the media tonight

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<v Speaker 1>averon Channel two. Of course, they're writing the final history

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<v Speaker 1>about how evil and terrible the Liberal Party was and

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<v Speaker 1>how pointless it was. Of course, all focus on failure,

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<v Speaker 1>no focus on distortion, no focus on international events. And

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, there's a way some shark circling somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>trying to say that the real problem, the real problem

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<v Speaker 1>are people like me on stations like this saying things

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<v Speaker 1>that the vast majority of the establishment in Canberra does

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<v Speaker 1>not like. And they confuse this, of course with those

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<v Speaker 1>who called BOS on all of these things in the

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<v Speaker 1>past being pulled too far to the right. Now. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>explain a little bit later why there are many spectrums

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<v Speaker 1>in Australian politics, but calling bs on bs artists pretty

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<v Speaker 1>dead center to me. Regardless of whether you used to

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<v Speaker 1>be a lefty, used to be a rity, are a

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<v Speaker 1>righty or r a left winger, calling bs is dead

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<v Speaker 1>on being a good Australian. Now forgive me if I

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<v Speaker 1>do not fall for the latest bit of garbage from

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<v Speaker 1>the CCP, the Communist Party coming out of Beijing. Now again,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh mate, Albot Prime Minister of all time. Jesus is

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<v Speaker 1>a new fantastic He was a vote magnet. According to

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<v Speaker 1>some other review of the election. I just like when

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<v Speaker 1>you win, you did everything amazing and it is a

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<v Speaker 1>massive win and he's going to rule for many years.

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<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't mean we go away. Okay. He made

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<v Speaker 1>this promise during the election campaign. This was particularly relevant

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<v Speaker 1>about the Chinese ownership of the Port of Darwin and

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<v Speaker 1>the seat of Solomon, one of two in the Northern

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<v Speaker 1>territory that at some point earlier this year the poll

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<v Speaker 1>said they may lose.

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<v Speaker 6>Are you announcing that the Labor government will buy back

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<v Speaker 6>the port of Darwen?

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<v Speaker 3>Lisa off Lambridge.

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<v Speaker 1>What we are.

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<v Speaker 10>Doing is we will enter into negotiations to do that.

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<v Speaker 10>That is what we've been doing informally through potential buyers

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<v Speaker 10>up to this point already. We'll have more to say

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<v Speaker 10>over the coming period before the third of May.

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<v Speaker 1>Problem is I don't believe him. Why, Well, check the

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<v Speaker 1>previous comments, the past three years of bsing. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>very good at politics and he was very good at

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<v Speaker 1>being able to convince people that the other side was

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<v Speaker 1>the end of everything and he was the solution to everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the fact that everything had got worse than the

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<v Speaker 1>three anyway, well played, well played game, recognized this game.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reason in particular I'm talking about this tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>and in particular that I don't believe him, is because

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<v Speaker 1>he made the same promise at the election before this one.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, in twenty twenty two, they were promising to

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<v Speaker 1>have a fresh look at whether the Port of Darwin

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<v Speaker 1>would still be owned by the Chinese. And the review

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<v Speaker 1>came out on a Friday afternoon on the twentieth of October,

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<v Speaker 1>when people were not paying attention, and in a news

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<v Speaker 1>dump on a Friday afternoon, after promising to again get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of the Chinese from the Port of Darwin, that

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<v Speaker 1>being the Chinese Communist Party, not the citizenry of Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, a review concluded that it was not necessary

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<v Speaker 1>to vary or cancel the lease. So you say one

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<v Speaker 1>thing during election, you do another after the election, and

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<v Speaker 1>what's to say it won't be exactly the same this

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<v Speaker 1>time around. We've already been on this go around, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese ambassador was out and about today pretending that

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<v Speaker 1>this is the hill he wants to die on. This,

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<v Speaker 1>in part is what were said today that the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>ambassador blasts Paul and the Darwin Port lease plan is

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<v Speaker 1>ethically questionable. Now remember, they already know that the promise

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<v Speaker 1>has been made. They already know that a review done

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<v Speaker 1>by this Prime Minister's office let them off the hook

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<v Speaker 1>once before. He could have blown up during the election,

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<v Speaker 1>but of course that would somehow mean that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a clear choice for whom to vote for. Hence why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not falling for the theater. I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 1>they're firing up. I don't believe there's about to be

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<v Speaker 1>a change of ownership. If there is, great I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>the first to sing hallelujah. But over the past ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>the land Bridge Group has made significant investments in maintaining

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<v Speaker 1>and building Darwin's Port infrastructure, optimizing its operations and management.

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<v Speaker 1>These efforts have brought remarkable improvements of the broad turning

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<v Speaker 1>the financial system a situation from losses to profits, contributing

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<v Speaker 1>positively to the local and social development. It is ethically

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<v Speaker 1>questionable to lease the port when it was unprofitable and

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<v Speaker 1>then seek to reclaim it when it becomes profitable. Forgive me,

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<v Speaker 1>mister ambassador, if I do not believe you that you

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<v Speaker 1>are truly annoyed about something that you didn't mention when

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<v Speaker 1>it was said during the campaign, that you didn't mention

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<v Speaker 1>when it was mentioned in the last campaign that now

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<v Speaker 1>when probably the same people who made the decision not

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything a couple of years ago will probably

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<v Speaker 1>make the same decision not to do anything this time around.

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<v Speaker 1>You could have done something if you really cared about it, mate,

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<v Speaker 1>you could have talked about it during an election, But then,

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<v Speaker 1>of course that would upset the grand plan. The handsome

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<v Speaker 1>boy has already done so much. The least that could

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<v Speaker 1>use could do is to help him with a second

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<v Speaker 1>term in office. Right now, we know that lives in

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<v Speaker 1>the NATS break up last week, back together now one

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<v Speaker 1>of the subjects that he's going to be a problem

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of how long they stay in trial separation or

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<v Speaker 1>when they get back in the house, Mom and Dad

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<v Speaker 1>will start fighting about this again. Net zero zero zero

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<v Speaker 1>zero at zero zero zero. And we know that our

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<v Speaker 1>mates Barnaby, Joyce, Matt Canavan, well they say no, not

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<v Speaker 1>interested in that doubling down on net zero for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fifty because of course they live in regionalarry is that

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<v Speaker 1>are the ones grossly affected by this change. We also

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<v Speaker 1>know that there are people now inside the Liberal Party,

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<v Speaker 1>including people who would like to be the leader of

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<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party at one point in time, rock stars

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<v Speaker 1>like Andrew Hasty, who are now openly as part of

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<v Speaker 1>a program over there on Channel two tonight saying that

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<v Speaker 1>he too is going to join the Party of those

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<v Speaker 1>who don't want net zero as the policy of the

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 9>Net zero.

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<v Speaker 5>Again, that's a straight jacket that I'm already getting out of.

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<v Speaker 5>The real question is should austray In families and businesses

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<v Speaker 5>be paying more for the electricity and should we allow

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<v Speaker 5>this sort of hypocrisy at the heart of our economy

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<v Speaker 5>to continue, whereby we sell coal and gas to India

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<v Speaker 5>and China and we deny it to our own people.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the question that I think we need to answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating to see this is the real ructure between the

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal Party and the National Party. I have goes put simply,

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<v Speaker 1>many people inside the Liberal Party, or at least the

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<v Speaker 1>machine or the left of the Liberal Party. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to explain a little more about that. In the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>they believe that if you walk away from any commitments

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<v Speaker 1>to net zero, you're walking away from some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>commitment and understanding about the role of climate change. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty first century, as more people believe in

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<v Speaker 1>doing something about the environment than God, than somehow you

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<v Speaker 1>are slitting your political throat if you do anything other

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<v Speaker 1>than promise that you're going to be able to change

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<v Speaker 1>the weather. Now, remember Australia one percent of the world's problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if we did every single thing that every single

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<v Speaker 1>green had ever dreamt of, China would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>replace what we do in your sixteen days. But because

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<v Speaker 1>of the politics of the time, the belief is that

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<v Speaker 1>if we don't go as hard as the dreams of

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<v Speaker 1>the greens would be, then somehow we're not doing our partner.

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<v Speaker 1>If we're not doing our part, we're contributing to the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the fact that as I have shown you before,

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<v Speaker 1>if you looked at a clock of all of the

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<v Speaker 1>countries of the world and how much emissions they put

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<v Speaker 1>out there, the reality is that you'd be able to

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<v Speaker 1>go past quarter past on China, who, of course Netzera

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifty does not apply to. Then you go through

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world and that gets you to

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<v Speaker 1>about halfway through the clock. It doesn't apply to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you go to India, which will take you to

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty two along with Russia, they're not doing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you can move your way up to quarter two,

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<v Speaker 1>quarter two forty five of sixty minutes, and that'd be

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and under Trump, they are not doing

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<v Speaker 1>these things. I no, no, But the way that we

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<v Speaker 1>will make sure that it never rains again, never rains again,

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<v Speaker 1>There'll never be a drought, there'll never be a bushfire,

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<v Speaker 1>is if we do something about one percent of global

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<v Speaker 1>emissions and right now doing forty three percent. About one

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the world's problems is the legislative target of

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<v Speaker 1>the Labor Party. But now with unfettered power, with an

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<v Speaker 1>absolute ease of access to getting anything passed through the

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<v Speaker 1>left wing support of the Greens in the Senate, that

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<v Speaker 1>number is going to become a whole lot bigger. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one that of course they couldn't possibly discuss during an

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<v Speaker 1>election campaign because you know that would lose them votes,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead just talk about it in motherhood issues. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>put any price, so I don't put any detail on it,

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<v Speaker 1>don't even pretend that there's going to be a reduction

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<v Speaker 1>in prices. And they of course won a thumper so

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<v Speaker 1>Australia likes this type of politics, regardless of what they

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<v Speaker 1>may well say, and according to people inside the Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 1>their plan for the next little while is to up

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<v Speaker 1>forty three percent of fixing one percent of the world's

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<v Speaker 1>CLIs problems. That, by the way, what we wiped out

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<v Speaker 1>by China in just sixteen days, is to replace that

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<v Speaker 1>with a sixty five to seventy five percent target. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for those who rub their hands with glease a nit

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<v Speaker 1>zero all we do, if we throw it off, if

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<v Speaker 1>we get rid of it, then we're going to race

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<v Speaker 1>our way back to government because we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to focus on all of the price stuff we

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<v Speaker 1>did ten years ago. One of the things that makes

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<v Speaker 1>that politics difficult as well, regardless of whether it's the

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<v Speaker 1>right policy or not, is one part of the problem

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<v Speaker 1>nobody ever talks about, regardless of whether you want the

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five percent or whether you're somebody who wants nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the net zero stuff state governments.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I went and tried to find a left

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<v Speaker 1>wing lobby group right left wing lobby group that shows

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<v Speaker 1>all of the climate policies of all of the different states.

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<v Speaker 1>All you need to know is it starts at anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>between thirty one percent of the world's problem or fifty percent,

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<v Speaker 1>or some of them have seventy percent. So the problem

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<v Speaker 1>and difficulty of the politics that I look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>debating tonight, do not consider. Do not confuse what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about now as advocacy of saying no, no, no, don't

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<v Speaker 1>go anywhere near this policy is just saying. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the problems with coalescing around where I know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people want to coalesce around, which is bugerhet zero,

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<v Speaker 1>is how do you get around what the States are

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<v Speaker 1>planning to do? What do you do in three years

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<v Speaker 1>time when we've already spent the billions of dollars on

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<v Speaker 1>different types of infrastructure. It's worth a debate one we

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<v Speaker 1>will have in a moment or two time. Now. This

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<v Speaker 1>week we will learn who is going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>and out of the shadow Cabinet. Yes, it will of

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<v Speaker 1>course have some Nats in it. After they will inevitably

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<v Speaker 1>sign that deal in the next little while. Susan Lee

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<v Speaker 1>as the opposition leader, well, she gets the pick of

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<v Speaker 1>the crop. She can decide whoever she wants in there. Yes,

0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.040
<v Speaker 1>you've got to have x number of nationals. But other

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<v Speaker 1>than that, it's basically up to her her decide which

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<v Speaker 1>way things are going to go. Now, interestingly, what is

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<v Speaker 1>important here is, as always, there are people who try

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of send little smoke signals through the media,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are, you know, don't you dare not put

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite person in? Don't you dare not put my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite person in? And this happens all over the media.

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<v Speaker 1>Right seeing this for as many many years as I've

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<v Speaker 1>been sitting here in many years before all of that, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's plenty of talent to pick from. Right obviously,

0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.960
<v Speaker 1>there's Angus Taylor, there's just Into nampajimper Price, There's Tim Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Melissa mcintoye. There's lots of good people that will

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<v Speaker 1>be really good shadow ministers. But then there's the little

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<v Speaker 1>messages that go out saying, oh, if the super conservative

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<v Speaker 1>ones are not rewarded by having the exact same jobs

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.040
<v Speaker 1>that they had in the last parliament, and somehow we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to threaten the whole blow to show up as

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<v Speaker 1>conversely the lefties do when they're not in charge. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the point I'm trying to prove here. There's something that

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<v Speaker 1>is at the heart of all of this that I

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<v Speaker 1>think actually needs a little bit of explaining. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be able to do this as well

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<v Speaker 1>as somebody who has done or teaches a political science class.

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<v Speaker 1>Are not going to be able to nail every single

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<v Speaker 1>word or terminology, like people who's absolute passion are the

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<v Speaker 1>political parties. But I wanted to explain the fight within

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<v Speaker 1>the fight, within the fight within the fight, and that

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<v Speaker 1>those fights are not just exclusive to the center right

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<v Speaker 1>of Australian politics. Now put simply the Liberal Party if

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<v Speaker 1>you were looking at it, and they don't say theirs factions,

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<v Speaker 1>but the teams within teams. Okay, there are the moderates,

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<v Speaker 1>there are the conservatives, and there's the center. Right Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some people will say, just for the point of learning, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>just agree for a second that this is all what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>But then if you actually want to get a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more technical, you know, like how there's botanic names

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<v Speaker 1>for plants and flowers. The botanic names for some political

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<v Speaker 1>beliefs on the center right or right of Australian politics

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<v Speaker 1>or any politics are traditional conservative, of neoliberal, the populist,

0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a libertarian, someone in the religious right. Again, there's lots

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<v Speaker 1>of more slivered terms, so that makes it seem like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my goodness, the center right of Australian politics is

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<v Speaker 1>this ungovernable mess of people who all disagree with each other,

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<v Speaker 1>who are all trying to cut each other's throats. Guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>it's exactly the same for the Labor Party. And even

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<v Speaker 1>if they are in opposition with fifty seats, if they're

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<v Speaker 1>in minority government by one seat, if they're in government

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<v Speaker 1>like they are now with ninety almost ninety five seats,

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<v Speaker 1>which is extraordinary, you have the factions, where again the

0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:17.920
<v Speaker 1>MPs dance with the one who brung them, which was

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<v Speaker 1>either people to the left or people to the right.

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<v Speaker 1>And again the botannic names of some of the sub factions,

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<v Speaker 1>or the socialist Left, the Fabian Socialists, the New Left,

0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:30.919
<v Speaker 1>Labor Unity, Labor Reform. There are people that are not

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<v Speaker 1>connected the underligned. And then as of course there's all

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<v Speaker 1>of the different unions, and some of those are to

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<v Speaker 1>the left and some of those are to the right.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I say over on Channel two tonight, there

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, quite the autopsy being performed, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>all everything's terrible with the Liberal Party. Will never be

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<v Speaker 1>able to lick its wounds because it has these fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>design differences and people who want to go this way

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.200
<v Speaker 1>and people want to go that way. It will never

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<v Speaker 1>ever be competitive again. And anyone who ever speaks in

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<v Speaker 1>support of them or voted for them as a full

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, surprise, surprise, history yet again written

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<v Speaker 1>by the left. But this scenario written by the people

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<v Speaker 1>who cheered on and helped shape part of the outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>So why is it that when the Liberal Party gets

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<v Speaker 1>itself into trouble it seems like everyone connected to the

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<v Speaker 1>party has an opinion, says their thing, MPs, minister's shadow mistes,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, they're all tipping on each other. And

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<v Speaker 1>when it's a labor party, generally speaking, there's none of

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. And why is it that during the three

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<v Speaker 1>years of government or opposition, Labour's all kind of moving

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<v Speaker 1>in one way, And then again, if there's a third

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<v Speaker 1>of the Libs that don't like or some of the

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<v Speaker 1>Nats that don't like it, they're able to turn around

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and kind of openly have dissent from within. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit it's free, but it looks a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more messy. Well, there's a reason for that. And

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<v Speaker 1>again I know hardcore politics people know this, but there

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<v Speaker 1>are some people who may well not know this. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want it to be taken for granted that

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<v Speaker 1>this is part of the design of our system. The

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<v Speaker 1>difference between the Labor Party and the Liberal Party is

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<v Speaker 1>the way that they police themselves. You see, the Labour

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<v Speaker 1>Party has a caucus system where all of their MPs

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<v Speaker 1>have to go out and publicly say they completely, absolutely

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 1>agree with whatever the party position is. Now they can

0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 1>argue against it inside the lock doors of a caucus room,

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<v Speaker 1>but once you go outside. Hence why you get the

0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:29.640
<v Speaker 1>nonsense of Penny Wong pretending that she was against same

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:32.960
<v Speaker 1>sex marriage. Whereas the Liberal Party has a party room

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>rule which means, yes, you speak up in the party room. Yes,

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 1>if you're part of the shadow cabinet, you have to

0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 1>adhere to its decisions. But in the Labor Party you

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:46.439
<v Speaker 1>will be punished for speaking against the system. In the

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Liberal Party you're allowed to be Malcolm Turnbull and all

0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:52.240
<v Speaker 1>of those times he was on Q and A with

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the leather jacket shit canning his own government, his own minister's,

0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:58.440
<v Speaker 1>his own Prime minister, because he was in the third

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.119
<v Speaker 1>of the Liberal Party that wasn't able to convince the

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.560
<v Speaker 1>bedwarders in the middle to join with them and push

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 1>out the other third of the party. Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's why so many people are going to be

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 1>on television and have been on television for the past

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:12.639
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks with what they think we're wrong and

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.880
<v Speaker 1>what should be into the future. Why they seem more

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:18.880
<v Speaker 1>ill disciplined than the Labor Party. Put simply, it is

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:22.359
<v Speaker 1>you are free to speak in the Liberal Party. And

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. Please do not confuse again what I

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 1>am saying to be advocacy for changing the system. But

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 1>in the modern politics and the modern media, politics that

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:37.399
<v Speaker 1>makes the most of internal division, and internal division is

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:41.919
<v Speaker 1>often weaponized by your political opponents as proof that you

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:46.199
<v Speaker 1>are not ready to govern. Is there a conversation that

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 1>needs to be had, just like the Labour Party had

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 1>under Simon Crean all those years ago, where it used

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.160
<v Speaker 1>to be sixty to forty union control and it became

0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 1>fifty to fifty, that there's a fundamental rule here that

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.439
<v Speaker 1>maybe has to pull some people into line. I don't know,

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:00.560
<v Speaker 1>but I just wanted to take a couple minutes to

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 1>explain what others may assume is either too boring for

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you to know about, too complicated for you to know about,

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 1>but I just want you to know about it, because

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:12.159
<v Speaker 1>that's why you see these little stories that pop up

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 1>everywhere if someone's trying to ever go at somebody else.

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 1>You saw it when it came to Ed Husick and

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:17.679
<v Speaker 1>his future in the Labour Party is going to be

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.400
<v Speaker 1>a world of pain, most likely never to return anywhere

0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 1>near power. If albo or a version of Albou remains

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.199
<v Speaker 1>leader for the rest of his political career. That's just

0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the reality. But it's why the Liberal Party is able

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:33.479
<v Speaker 1>to have all of it's dirty laundry, and they are

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the ones hanging out the dirty laundry live on television

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 1>tonight to a person who of course is nothing but

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>critical of the Liberal Party. Amazing stuff. All right, Let's

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.160
<v Speaker 1>talk now about the clean up operation that is taking

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 1>place as we speak in and around Tarre. There are

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of homes which have been affected, that

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>have been really screwed over by the floods of recent days,

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>and the operation now moves to one where in the

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>next couple of nights we'll talk about insurance. We'll talk

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>about these things, but the main and most important thing

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 1>here is that I did not want people to be

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>able to I did not want people to be left

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 1>behind here and not know what is exactly the situation

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 1>of what's taking place. But Tanya Thompson is the national

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.200
<v Speaker 1>z MP who represents this part of New South Wales

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>since she joins us. Now, Tanya, how's everyone holding up

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 1>a couple of days in? I'm sure they're all very tired,

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 1>But how's everyone going?

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 11>Yeah? Pretty tired forul just working through it. Every day

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:37.360
<v Speaker 11>you know is a new day and another road to recovery.

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, So give us an idea about this process

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.920
<v Speaker 1>that we're in now right where literally as we see

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>shop to shop, house to house, there's you know, the

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.640
<v Speaker 1>danger part is gone, but the real punish has really

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>started to begin. What are you seeing and what do

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 1>you want people to know about what is happening in

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Tari compared to what we were seeing a couple of

0:26:58.359 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>days ago.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, So it's important though to know that it's not

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 11>just Tari, So we are talking about a whole region.

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:08.200
<v Speaker 11>You know, we've got a really large catchment and so

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 11>we've got areas tari Wingham, Mount George, Weal Flat, there's

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 11>Old bar Manning Point. There are so many areas affected,

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 11>some places that we haven't even been able to get

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.880
<v Speaker 11>into yet because they are still very isolated. They said

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 11>today ten thousand plus people are still isolated because of

0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 11>this blood event, So we can't get into those communities

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 11>yet to make sure people are okay. They're without power,

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:37.959
<v Speaker 11>tellor communications, so there's a real worry for those people

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 11>to make sure that they're doing all right. You know,

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 11>they talk about phases. So first of all, you're in that,

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 11>you know, recovery phase of the response phase. And now

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 11>we're into the recovery phase where we go in and

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.640
<v Speaker 11>we see the rfs and the sees, well the boots

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 11>on the ground. You know, we could definitely use some

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 11>more of those, but you know, going into homes piece

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 11>by piece, as you say, you know, businesses, farms, everything, everywhere.

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.920
<v Speaker 11>There's just mess everywhere, but everywhere.

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just looking at a map of your electric

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>right now. Right, So down to the south of seal Rocks, Bulletdealer,

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>we go up through Taree. We've got Foster where you

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 1>are now on the coast. You know, it's a very

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>big area which you have to take care of right now.

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Is much of the electorate in trouble. So basically, this

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>entire land mass that you are responsible for representing, there's

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 1>not just a pocket. There's a huge amount of it

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that's in trouble.

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 11>Amount, there's a huge amount. So my electrod itself is

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 11>five and a half thousand square kilometers to cover. But

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:52.320
<v Speaker 11>so the Manning region has a massive catchment itself and

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 11>it all just flows into this river system and that

0:28:56.360 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 11>is what is essentially just flooded that Manning Room region.

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 11>So we talk about the Mannings. You know, we've got

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 11>the Great Lakes and the Manning and that is where

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 11>this flood event has happened. So it is so many

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 11>regions that have so many little towns and villages that

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 11>have been wiped out. You know Wingham in particular. We

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 11>went there yesterday and there's mud, tigernees, there's a meter

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 11>of mud to get through, and there's silt and you're

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 11>at a dairy farm today and it's impossible to get

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 11>to every place. But you know, we're trying really hard

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 11>to connecting with every community that we can, businesses, and

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 11>I just I have to say our communities are just

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 11>the most amazing resilient communities that you'll ever see, Paul,

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 11>that they just you know, there's strangers in strangers' homes

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:49.479
<v Speaker 11>that just pick up a broom and a shovel and

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 11>put the boots on and just get in and get

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 11>it done to help their neighbor. And that's just just

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 11>such a wonderful thing to see, you know, out of

0:29:58.600 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 11>such a horrific event.

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, correct, Tenure, Well, the reason we want to talk

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>to you tonight again was the media has a wonderful

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>way of moving on and moving on pretty quickly. But

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>the reality is literally from Lismore for a few years ago,

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 1>there's still plenty of stuff to be done. Let alone cyclones,

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>let alone fires. It all just it's not something I

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>want to return to in a year's time and want

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it while things are happening right now.

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Over the next couple of days, when it starts to

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>become easier for people to know how to volunteer, how

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>to donate, what to do, we'll make sure that we

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>keep putting that there. But if there's anyone I need

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>a yell out on your behalf, Tenure, I will gladly

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 1>do so strength and love to everyone in the community,

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and good on you for the way that you represent them.

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Really good stuff. Thank you Tanner. All right, quick break

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>back with more here on Port Murray Live. Lots to

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about, lots of debate, lots of big ideas to discuss.

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Is the time for somehow the center right of politics

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 1>to be forced to zip their mouth? Or is one

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>of the joys of center right politics that you're freely

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>able to do so? But the problem is is that

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>it means the Labor Party is able to exploit the

0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 1>open divisions. I look forward to Mattanavans on this and

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot more in a moment's time here on

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Pullmurray Line. Thanks for watching, Thank you so much for watching.

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into the conversation right now. Linda Scott's in

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>the man Cave and whenever he's in town, he's more

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 1>than welcome the man Cave. A last he's got his

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>own is none other than the wonderful Matt Canavan. Matt,

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>let's just jump through a couple of big things, because

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>while I was sitting back there in cans on the weekend,

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>just you know, making the most of my time on

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a jet ski your mind starts to wander. So I'm

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>going to bring some of the most dangerous things you

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>can do on television, which is to wonder out loud. Okay,

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>people like a fully cooked and prepared meal. I am

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.719
<v Speaker 1>just putting a whole bunch of ingredients on the table

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and let's see what we come up with. Okay. So

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 1>first questions. First, the power bills actually matter any more

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>in Australian politics because Matt, we would have seen every

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.479
<v Speaker 1>pole and we would have seen everyone blow up about it.

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>But we had a government that lied for three years.

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 1>We had a government that has made everything more expensive.

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>We have a government that has been handsomely rewarded. Is

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the reality that people love a bitch and moon, but

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>they didn't change your vote on it.

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 8>It was nothing like the North queenslande humidity, Paul. To

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 8>clarify your thinking, people just have a different way of

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 8>thinking up here.

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 9>At least I find reassuring for our future.

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 8>Look, I think the problem with the election was, Paul,

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 8>we didn't have a plan to reduce them, to reduce

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 8>power bills. So I absolutely think the cost of living,

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 8>power bills inflation top of mind for almost all the

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 8>strains certainly. I'm sure both parties polling said the same thing.

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 8>When you ask people what's their biggest issue and biggest concern,

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 8>it was inflation, it was the cost of living.

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 9>I just felt that on my side of politics, we did.

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 8>Not have a coherent plan to reduce electricity prices in

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 8>a short space of time. I do believe nuclear could

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 8>help do that over time, but of course that would

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 8>take ten years.

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 9>It's a long time for people to wait.

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 8>And then at the end we came up with a

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 8>gas plan, but our own modeling showed that was only

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 8>going to reduce power prices or power bills I should say,

0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 8>by three percent. And now I lay the Labor party

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 8>given their due. They turn their Medicare card into a

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 8>cost of living issue. Let's wait and see if it's

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 8>going to be another broken promise for labor because they

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 8>say that everyone's going to be bog billing for the

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 8>next three years.

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.239
<v Speaker 1>And again the GPS themselves about that, well, you know,

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 1>eight and a half up to nine out of ten

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>serving around say yeah, that's not going to be the case.

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I know that that promise, remember like the two seventy five, oh,

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 1>the modeling changed and just completely allowed to get away

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 1>with it. It'll be no doubt the same in the

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 1>next three years. But Linda, you must be loving the

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>idea that you sit back here and you see that

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>not only is the Labour Party get a third of

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the vote, they get basically that middle third when it

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>comes to preferences, which means you end up with ninety

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 1>four seats. I think they're right up to the number

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>that John Howard won in ninety ninety six maximum position

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>of power logically looking at multiple terms after all of that.

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Yet there is a conversation aggressively being held inside the

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>coalition as it will be. But certainly the Conservative Party

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>is now, including with our mate Matt which is not

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>in at zero because of the well articulated arguments they've

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>all made in the past. And you saw Andrew Hasty

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>again bouncing around on Channel two tonight saying that it's

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>a straight jacket and it's one that he wants to

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.399
<v Speaker 1>get out of. Do you hope that the Conservative side

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>of politics continues to never resolve this issue?

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 6>Look, I hope that Australians get a good government. Actually,

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 6>we've got Victoria and decimated by drought. We've got New

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 6>South Wales with record floods and we've got a Liberal

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 6>National Party that simply can't stop talking about themselves.

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 1>We don't pretend that we can change it with.

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 6>It's actually well, we can have a power plan that

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 6>actually reduces the impact of climate also reduces China.

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>We did everything sixteen times. I'm not being offensive. I'm

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.439
<v Speaker 1>just saying, no one's promising to change your weather.

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm never offended. I love to debate.

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>No one's pretending they're going to be able to change

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>your weather. But that seems to be the underlying.

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 6>That everybody reads a government ball that actually focuses on

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 6>the problems of Australians at hand. And this is the

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.919
<v Speaker 6>whole issue, isn't it. We have issued by a mile

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 6>during the election who did not focus on the issues

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 6>that mattered to normal Australians. We've got so much of

0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 6>New South Wales decimated by terrible floods.

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes none of that will be reversed.

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Work on req whether we have women.

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 6>And nobody nobody is going to be talking about this

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:14.399
<v Speaker 6>for it seems months in the.

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 3>Liberal and National Party.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not my job to give anybody advice, but Australians

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:22.959
<v Speaker 6>deserve a good government that focuses on the issues that matter.

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<v Speaker 1>And my point is this, and this is what's tough

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 1>to hear, okay, but again that North Queensland humidity, the

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 1>free air of a jet ski ride, feeding crocs, it all.

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Just now I get the clear thinking of Matt Canevan

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>all the time, right, which is to say, look, I

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 1>don't care about what all the poles and this and

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 1>to that, just this is what I think. Bang on,

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:41.280
<v Speaker 1>shoot straight and see what happens. It hits or it doesn't.

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm in that mood tonight, okay, which is Matt Again.

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I understand the logic of every time we talk about

0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:51.320
<v Speaker 1>nit zero what the consequences are, But aren't we also

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 1>in a scenario where all of the state governments are

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>either at thirty or fifty or seventy five percent. So

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:58.919
<v Speaker 1>even if the federal government or the federal Liberal Party

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>was the national party, was able to coalesce around in zero, yes,

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>that's the federal policy. But when you've got a local

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>council declaring climate emergencies, the states that are in charge

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>of the energy greed in many ways, how do those

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>two systems meet up?

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 8>Well, Paul, and just on what Linda says, of course

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 8>we need to help those affected by drought or floods,

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 8>but I don't think it also should be used as

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 8>an excuse to ignore these other big issues as well.

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 8>We can do both things. I know my National Party colleagues,

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 8>despite claims on the ABC, Pat Conahan and Alison Penfold,

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 8>have been literally out there scrubbing mud from people's homes

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.919
<v Speaker 8>and businesses the last few days. And then the left

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 8>wing media jumps on this narrative saying they're not even

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 8>in their electorates.

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 9>They're in camera. It was just a light dead set light.

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 8>Thankfully that's been corrected by the ABC, but it was

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 8>got around the world before it could be. And then

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 8>on this issue that you raise their Paul, Look, I

0:36:56.640 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 8>think it's about time we have this debate for our tree.

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 9>Things are not going well. Of course. The government has

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 9>basically given up on lowering power prices. I mean, if

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 9>you think that that our.

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 8>Power prices now should just have to remain the highest

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 8>in the world and that's the way it goes, well,

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 8>fair enough, that's what the government is promising. They're not

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 8>even saying they're going to lower your power bills. But

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 8>I actually think there is a plan to do so.

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.879
<v Speaker 8>And you say that what about local and state governments, Well,

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 8>we can win these arguments. We can change the course

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 8>of lots of different governments by taking up the fight.

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 8>I know here in Queensland or the Queensland l and

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 8>P today they've just canceled our major win project because

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 8>of the local people. Guess what don't want it? They

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 8>don't want it's one just close to where I am

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 8>here is out there and spoken to the residents. And

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 8>what will I don't want to stop.

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:43.879
<v Speaker 9>We'll look at New Zealand as well.

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 6>New Zealanders stop investment in Australia. It will cost jobs

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:47.280
<v Speaker 6>in Australia.

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 9>What do you think local people deserve to say? I'm

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 9>not lenders, as simple as that. Do you think who

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 9>side do you want?

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 5>Less?

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 9>Serious? Seriously, lend, whose side do you want?

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 8>You're on the global investors side or you're on the

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:02.760
<v Speaker 8>local communities who don't want their bushland ravaged. I mean, seriously,

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 8>what side are you on? I'm on the side of

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 8>local Australian people. I don't give us stuff too much

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 8>about the global investors who want to rape and pillage

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:11.839
<v Speaker 8>our native bushland. Sure they want to make money. Good

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 8>luck to them, but I'm not on their side. I'm

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 8>on the side of people who want to protect the

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 8>native bushland of this country. That Moonlight Range they were

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 8>going to devastate with two hundred and eighty meters high

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:26.439
<v Speaker 8>wind turbines was an absolute environmental disgrace. And I'm sick

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:28.359
<v Speaker 8>and tired of no offense, Linder.

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 3>But people who don't even come opinion.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 8>And visit these areas saying that somehow this is a

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 8>terrible thing. To stop these projects and protect our bush land.

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 8>I've been there, I've spoken to the residents. They do

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.760
<v Speaker 8>not want this project, and I think those Australians deserve

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 8>to have their voice heard wherever it is in Brisbane

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 8>or Canberra, and not run over roughshod by international investors

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.400
<v Speaker 8>that the Labor Party seems unable to say no to.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, if you want to respond after the break,

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>you may do, sir Linda. In the meantime, we will

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>take that break, we will return to the conversation again.

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 1>The most dangerous thing you can do in public life

0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is to wonder out loud. That's the mood I'm in.

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm going to be in it for a

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 1>few more days. And I look forward to the conversations

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>that will come from it. They are truly dangerous because

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where they're going to go. I don't

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>know whether where they're going to end up. Okay, it's

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>not just going to be, you know, good vibes and

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:17.959
<v Speaker 1>good news. Sometimes they might be just one or two

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.799
<v Speaker 1>rocks that aren't that pleasant to see, or you'll have

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>to spit them out. But at least we'll be talking

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 1>about things. We'll get to that in the moment's time.

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 1>All right, speed around now with two people who I

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 1>know we could fill the rest of the night with.

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.399
<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to mood for the chat none other

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:38.319
<v Speaker 1>than sitting to meet Canavan and Linda Scott as well

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 1>as in the man Cave. Now very quickly, if you can,

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Matt again. I just want to bring people up to

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 1>speed with things and then they can make their own decisions. Right.

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 1>But we hear that one of the sticking points is

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<v Speaker 1>in and around the divestiture powers in relation to things

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 1>like supermarkets. Now, I'll be really honest, I've got a

0:39:57.280 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 1>vague idea of what this is, but I reckon there's

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>a massive chance there's a lot of people watching us

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 1>right now. Who've heard this is one of the four

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:05.240
<v Speaker 1>sticking points, but they actually have no idea what it means.

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Can you give me the thirty second stump speech? What

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 1>are we talking about? What does divestit you mean? Does

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>it mean the government walks in and says no cosmwoollies

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 1>too big? What does it mean?

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 8>It means a stricter, stronger penalties on big businesses that

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:25.399
<v Speaker 8>treat small businesses and farmers with disrespect. About ten years ago,

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 8>we saw Cole's be found guilty of unconsciable conduct where

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 8>they just simply demanded a payment of hundreds of thousands

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 8>of dollars from a small business that strain small business oats.

0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 8>The judge in that case could only find them ten

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 8>million dollars. The judge herself said that that was clearly

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:41.840
<v Speaker 8>in inadequate fine for a company that has a turnover

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:44.719
<v Speaker 8>of over thirty billion dollars a year. And so in

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.880
<v Speaker 8>those cases, I think there should be strict penalties in place.

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 9>You should not.

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:52.720
<v Speaker 8>Allow big businesses to bully smaller businesses like that. These laws,

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:55.560
<v Speaker 8>these so called divesture laws, would give the courts an

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 8>option to demand the breakup of a company.

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.320
<v Speaker 9>It's very severe but they do. It exists.

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 8>Such penalties exist in the US and Canada and Europe.

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:04.479
<v Speaker 8>Very strange we don't have them.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, Linda, what do you think of it?

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<v Speaker 6>Look, I think it's important to debate laws in the

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 6>public domain where people feel comfort and confidence that this

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 6>consultation going on. I think what Australians don't want is

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 6>to put in place, in this case, with Australia's supermarket industry,

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:24.760
<v Speaker 6>thousands and thousands of people's jobs because there's a secret

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 6>behind closed doors negotiation going on about policies and maybe

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 6>future laws depending on if this rebel get into.

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Government and price gouging.

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:38.400
<v Speaker 6>I think that Australians feel comfortable and confident that this

0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 6>is the best way to make policy because this is

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:43.359
<v Speaker 6>in the end really serious and.

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 3>About thousands of jobs.

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 6>So we can have our arguments, but the kinds of

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 6>things you're trying to introduce in this what is essentially

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 6>negotiation over positions in a tiny rump of a party,

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:01.840
<v Speaker 6>things like nuclear power are like thousands of Australian jobs

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:07.280
<v Speaker 6>in the supermarket industry. This is the way to engage

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:14.800
<v Speaker 6>in a negotiations about treasure or the shadow shadow treasure.

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.320
<v Speaker 9>I'd have to go through a word normal.

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>You until Matt, you're not a piece of legislation to principle.

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 6>Until recently, Matt, you were openly seeking to be the

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 6>government of this nation.

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:28.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't think you would deny that.

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 6>And what you're doing now is trying to form policies

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 6>that underpin in reality. This was policy, but this was

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 6>our policy agreement, treasure Lend, Treasure Lenda.

0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 9>I don't pretend I'm not too critical. You probably don't.

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 8>Weren't aware about policies, that's fine, But we took this

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 8>policy to the election. I think you're under a misapprehension

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.760
<v Speaker 8>we actually this, this particular policy was the policy.

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 6>If you believe what you read in the newspaper, you

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 6>were seeking to go further than the policy you took

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 6>to the election and have over the coalition agreement. So

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 6>you're correct if we're wrong there. If you want to

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.120
<v Speaker 6>weaken the policy, you're correct if we're wrong.

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>But a couple of quick ones before we a couple

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 1>of quick ones here in South Australia. No core flutes,

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 1>A state elections great, make this national I hate them.

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>And apparently you know there's a bilection coming up in

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the next couple of weeks and oh there's worries people

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 1>may not vote because they may not know an elections on,

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 1>because there's not posters everywhere. If you don't know there's

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.479
<v Speaker 1>an election on, then guess what you're going to copy? Fine,

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.400
<v Speaker 1>but I would not like to see for the seven

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.719
<v Speaker 1>months before an election the face of somebody I'm not

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 1>going to vote for that. I'm not interested in being

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:44.359
<v Speaker 1>shoved down out. I couldn't care less. Is there a

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 1>person who is intimidated by all? There are more houses

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 1>with this poster up than the shove it. It's old school,

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:58.560
<v Speaker 1>it's nineteenth century politics. Bugger off. Why am I wrong, Linda?

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 3>You're in your front yard? But I do agree with you,

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 3>and many.

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Many califuls I hate them.

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.239
<v Speaker 6>No, no, many many councils actually said you can't put

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 6>them up on power.

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Pots any way, mate, No they don't.

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:13.360
<v Speaker 6>In New South Wales there are a whole bunch of

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 6>marginal seats that had no posters up on power palls.

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Given you a list if.

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 6>You went to the Central Coast last election, the one

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 6>before this most recent one, there were.

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Bazillly councils who don't enforce it.

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 6>I want to say, I was impressed. I thought the

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 6>councils enforced it better this time. They were left posted

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 6>and that was.

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 3>A good thing.

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, Matte, go for it.

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.880
<v Speaker 9>Can I just offer the quick count of you. I agree.

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 9>Not on power poles, that's crazy.

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 8>But but but a lot of these laws, Paul, don't forget,

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 8>are there to protect incumbents.

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.640
<v Speaker 9>And I'm one of the big parties. But if you,

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:47.800
<v Speaker 9>if you ban these.

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 8>Type of posters going up, it makes it very hard,

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 8>makes it very hard for smaller parties and independent candidates

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.879
<v Speaker 8>to get their name recognition out there. And I think

0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 8>we should have competition our political process. I have no

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 8>problem with them during the election period, not for seven months.

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 8>They're not allowed for seven months in queens at least

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 8>during the election period a few weeks. I think it's

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:08.319
<v Speaker 8>fair enough to let people run and get their face

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 8>and name out there.

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>So you were impressed at the start with the North

0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Queensland air and now at the end you've gone right enough.

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<v Speaker 8>And that was three days of it. Too much common

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<v Speaker 8>sense was coursing through myveins.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Send in a future senator, will talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you all again very much into the future. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>quick break back with more, lots more to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>including education. I know how much you care about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I do. Sorry today just blew my mind. Blew my

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<v Speaker 1>mind about the double standards we have that in a second,

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<v Speaker 1>what about the rubbish that took place yesterday in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>This nonsense of the gangs back and forth and deciding

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<v Speaker 1>to meet in the middle of the day in a

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<v Speaker 1>shopping center, machetes, all the rest of it, that was

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<v Speaker 1>part of the focus of the media.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the people involved holding a lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>There were screams of knife. There was a machete scene,

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<v Speaker 1>machete terror inside one of Melbourne's busiest shopping senses, a

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<v Speaker 1>man with a huge blade facing off with two others.

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<v Speaker 1>And today the Allen governments turned around and said that

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<v Speaker 1>it will now be illegal to sell anything longer than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty centimeters as a blade in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 12>These knives are dangerous weapons. They have no place on

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<v Speaker 12>our streets anywhere, and that is why I will introduce

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<v Speaker 12>as many laws to get these dangerous knives off the streets,

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<v Speaker 12>which is why I'm announcing today that effective immediately, will

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<v Speaker 12>be bringing in place a ban on the sale of machetes.

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<v Speaker 1>But guess what, the same premiere two months ago. Two

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<v Speaker 1>months ago said that that might be a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>too difficult. That was the two hard box. So well

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<v Speaker 1>done to the Age who wrote about this, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>two months ago the government rejected the idea of using

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<v Speaker 1>consumer Lord to stop the retail giant anaconder blah blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah from being able to sell such things. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course it's not the first time. Yesterday is not the

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<v Speaker 1>first time a machette has been used in Melbourne. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>a quick check of the archives, the word machete has

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<v Speaker 1>appeared more than just yesterday. Mate.

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<v Speaker 7>A Keysbra homeowner has warned off a group of machete

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<v Speaker 7>bandits trying to steal his Mercedes at seven in the morning.

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<v Speaker 7>Victorious police chief has voiced his disgust over a Sint

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<v Speaker 7>Kilda machete attack that left a thirty nine year old

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<v Speaker 7>man with a horrific head wound. A machete wielding intruder

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<v Speaker 7>has run off in his socks after smashing his way

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<v Speaker 7>into a Keilor East property and ditching his shoes in

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<v Speaker 7>the large room.

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<v Speaker 1>Fingers crossed. People in Victoria have got a BS detector

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<v Speaker 1>finally for this mob. Oh, we couldn't do it two

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<v Speaker 1>months ago. It's been around for how many years now? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>But will pass as many laws VEDI. Anyway, another story today,

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<v Speaker 1>This one pops up I think in the Guardian, which

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<v Speaker 1>was that a collection of teacher have said that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a culture of disrespect inside our schools, which is why,

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<v Speaker 1>in part, the behavior of kids in our schools is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why they're pulling the pin and

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to work in our schools anymore. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>meet me at camera four? Okay, everyone, Surprise, surprise. For

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years, every kid's got a prize. And guess what.

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<v Speaker 1>Those kids went to UNI and those kids decided to

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<v Speaker 1>become teachers or managers or tea or politicians, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have a different worldview than previous generations who have believed

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<v Speaker 1>that one of the ways that school prepares you for

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<v Speaker 1>real life is when you are disciplined by a teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>Your parents, when you tell them about that discipline, side

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<v Speaker 1>with the teacher because you did the wrong thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty years, now, thirty years, we've told the teacher

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<v Speaker 1>they can't discipline the kids. We've told them that hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of millions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars is

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<v Speaker 1>the way to solve. More money. More money. The OECD

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<v Speaker 1>says that our classrooms are so disruptive that we are

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<v Speaker 1>towards the worst performers in the world. That's been happening

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<v Speaker 1>for years as we have systematically new to the teacher's

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<v Speaker 1>ability to control a classroom. The kids are getting away

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<v Speaker 1>with murder and when the parents question the teacher, when

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<v Speaker 1>the teacher punishes the kid and the parent expects the

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<v Speaker 1>teacher to pull the kid into line when they won't

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<v Speaker 1>pull the kid into line at home, good luck hopefully.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know there are great teachers out there. But

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<v Speaker 1>if the kids who were bad kids are the ones

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<v Speaker 1>who end up becoming the people that are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>discipline the next round, guess what's going to happen. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>like debates next