Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for watching. What a good swimming was
Speaker 1: in Cans last night. The weather a little bit different
Speaker 1: when we got back to the man Cave. Thank you
Speaker 1: to everyone who watched and who supported and who gave
Speaker 1: us a great time in the far North. Let's get
Speaker 1: to an awful lot tonight, including the cleanup operation in
Speaker 1: and around those news so wild floods will go back
Speaker 1: to Tarre. We're also going to have a chat about, well,
Speaker 1: something they always say that happens to be the opposite
Speaker 1: of what always happened, something different about power bills, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a couple of seconds to explain
Speaker 1: not quite the fatal flaw in the Dead Star, but
Speaker 1: perhaps a little design fault that is in part of
Speaker 1: the difference between the way the Liberal Party and the
Speaker 1: Labor Party works. So believe that'll be a good chat
Speaker 1: coming up a little bit later. But first before we
Speaker 1: get to all the politics, and again we will go
Speaker 1: live to those regions at a moment or two time, Let's
Speaker 1: get to a nice moment that took place today in
Speaker 1: and around that cleanup effort. Now it is heartbreaking for
Speaker 1: the extreme Madjo already. In fact, all the people that
Speaker 1: are involved in this clean up effort. Depending on where
Speaker 1: you are, depending on the city, depending on how complicated
Speaker 1: things are, it's been a really tough couple of days.
Speaker 1: In fact, there's even some more that might be coming
Speaker 1: when it comes to extra wind and rain in and
Speaker 1: around now the south and center of the country.
Speaker 2: The winds were pretty ferocious today and that was due
Speaker 2: to a strong low pressure system and cold front which
Speaker 2: we can see swirling away. It's this clockwise complex mass
Speaker 2: making its way from the Great Australian Biton pushing into
Speaker 2: Victoria this afternoon. This generated widespread average winds sixty to
Speaker 2: seventy kilometers per hour.
Speaker 3: They were howling all.
Speaker 2: Day long across South's Australia and also elevated terrain in Victoria.
Speaker 1: Now, of course, part of the cleanup operation has been
Speaker 1: farmers of all different kinds trying to take stock and
Speaker 1: see how much of the livestock has perished in the
Speaker 1: past couple of days. But the reason I start with
Speaker 1: all of this now is because there was one little,
Speaker 1: very small race of hope. It was captured in fact
Speaker 1: during interview that was being done. I believe with the Guardian.
Speaker 1: This is a nice moment when people thought all was lost,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't.
Speaker 4: We put them under the bridge to keep them in
Speaker 4: the high point. They were in about that much water,
Speaker 4: standing in water and it was still rising. Okay, we've
Speaker 4: found a little boycott. I thought we've lost one in
Speaker 4: the water. We thought he might have drowned, but apparently
Speaker 4: he's there. She had twins in the water in the mud.
Speaker 1: No, it's a tough time for everyone. But if there
Speaker 1: is just a little positive story here and there to
Speaker 1: help get people through, I'm more than happy to pass
Speaker 1: it on. Before the election, the federal government was very
Speaker 1: clear in telling us that these are not the droids
Speaker 1: you're looking for. And despite the fact that they had
Speaker 1: failed to deliver on a central promise of power prices
Speaker 1: going down by two hundred and seventy five dollars in
Speaker 1: the previous three years, that an actual fact. Despite the
Speaker 1: fact that you were paying more than you were three
Speaker 1: years ago for power, it was still technically going down.
Speaker 4: In the last year to December, and the official inflation
Speaker 4: data electricity prices went down by twenty five percent, and.
Speaker 1: Of course the Prime Minister and the Climate Change and
Speaker 1: Energy Minister more than happy to rub this one in.
Speaker 1: In fact, they have viewed the massive election victory, and
Speaker 1: it is massive election victory by the Labor Party to
Speaker 1: be an absolute slam dunk that the suburbs, that the
Speaker 1: Bush love the renewable any energy scheme, They love the
Speaker 1: billions of dollars, nay almost to trillion dollars which is
Speaker 1: going to have to be spent to movers from one
Speaker 1: system to another. And regardless of the fact that they
Speaker 1: broke a central promise, regardless of the fact that things
Speaker 1: cost more, well, they win. So if they win, then
Speaker 1: they win for all time. So what have we all
Speaker 1: been talking about? What have the polsters been telling us
Speaker 1: for years and years and years? Apparently all of that
Speaker 1: gone finished. Well, there was a little news story that
Speaker 1: happened today, And Jesus, isn't it so convenient that it
Speaker 1: happens just a couple of weeks after the election, not
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before or a cost of living election.
Speaker 5: Power bills are about to soar with price rises of
Speaker 5: up to ten percent. In some bad news today, power
Speaker 5: prices are set to increase by almost ten percent next year.
Speaker 6: Household power bills are about to go up by as
Speaker 6: much as ten percent.
Speaker 1: So the election result absolutely clear, and the official result
Speaker 1: that you have to glean from the election is that
Speaker 1: people don't care about their power bills. People don't care
Speaker 1: about an increase in their power bills. People were convinced
Speaker 1: and bought off by a government that wasn't able to
Speaker 1: reduce their power bill, instead paid the power bill or
Speaker 1: part of the power bill to the power company not
Speaker 1: to pass on the endless increases. And apparently next time again,
Speaker 1: I know you and I will feel a certain way,
Speaker 1: But once you hear somebody else saying they're complaining about
Speaker 1: their power bills, we'll ask them how they voted, because
Speaker 1: obviously extreme majority, at least with their first or second
Speaker 1: preference of Australians will they're more th happy with the
Speaker 1: system that keeps promising one thing and delivering another.
Speaker 7: The best thing we can do is keeping ongoing with
Speaker 7: a roll out of renewable doing no.
Speaker 1: Quick fixes and no silver bullet.
Speaker 8: That's the message from the federal government as the nation
Speaker 8: confronts an energy crisis.
Speaker 9: Renewable energy is by far the cheapest form of energy.
Speaker 8: If you've been astounded by your quarterly power bill, you're
Speaker 8: not alone.
Speaker 6: Stick with the plan for the cheapest form of energy,
Speaker 6: which is renewable.
Speaker 1: So everyone at high and has a power bill going
Speaker 1: at the moment, they are reaching all time highs, aren't they.
Speaker 9: I think that renewable energy is the cheapest form of energy.
Speaker 6: Energy regulators have confirmed the default market offer will rise
Speaker 6: by as much as nine point seven percent from July one.
Speaker 1: It is wild, isn't it. People tell posters that number
Speaker 1: one issue is cost of living. A big proponent of
Speaker 1: that is the cost of an electricity bill. They keep
Speaker 1: being told that the solution to the problem is going
Speaker 1: to be cheaper, But of course the construction of the
Speaker 1: solution to the problem is one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: the power bill keeps going up and up, up up,
Speaker 1: And when given a chance to vote on it, Australians
Speaker 1: seemingly didn't care. Two thirds of people made the decision
Speaker 1: not to offer anything but a ringing endorsement of what
Speaker 1: the government has put in place. But maybe it wasn't that.
Speaker 1: Maybe people didn't fall for that. Maybe, of course they
Speaker 1: believed that the Prime Minister was the one who was
Speaker 1: telling the truth, telling you that you only need a
Speaker 1: Medicare card to go anywhere near a GP clinic, and
Speaker 1: you'll be able to bulk bill, and ninety percent of
Speaker 1: people will be able to bulk bill, and you'll never
Speaker 1: need a credit card again. Even though we learn that
Speaker 1: the general practitioners, the very people who would be in
Speaker 1: charge of whether they bulk bill or don't bolk bill,
Speaker 1: ninety two percent of them have said they will not
Speaker 1: be running that system. Now, politics is always about what
Speaker 1: you want to debate. Politics is if things are moving
Speaker 1: your way, great because you don't have to fight on
Speaker 1: anyone else's turf. Now, no sooks, no losers is generally
Speaker 1: the way that we play the game. And I am
Speaker 1: not being either of those right now. But it is
Speaker 1: just amazing to the third of the country that overtly
Speaker 1: did not want what has ended up to be the case.
Speaker 1: The ones who saw they were basing about power bills,
Speaker 1: the ones who saw they were basing about bolt billing,
Speaker 1: it now seems. And of course people are very reticent
Speaker 1: to ever say they made a mistake and Australia didn't
Speaker 1: make a mistake because of course Richo is always right,
Speaker 1: which is that the mob is always correct. But just
Speaker 1: how effective was that BS machine of the Labor Party,
Speaker 1: Just how effective was all of those little tactics that
Speaker 1: we showed you when it came to the media tonight
Speaker 1: averon Channel two. Of course, they're writing the final history
Speaker 1: about how evil and terrible the Liberal Party was and
Speaker 1: how pointless it was. Of course, all focus on failure,
Speaker 1: no focus on distortion, no focus on international events. And
Speaker 1: as you know, there's a way some shark circling somewhere
Speaker 1: trying to say that the real problem, the real problem
Speaker 1: are people like me on stations like this saying things
Speaker 1: that the vast majority of the establishment in Canberra does
Speaker 1: not like. And they confuse this, of course with those
Speaker 1: who called BOS on all of these things in the
Speaker 1: past being pulled too far to the right. Now. I'll
Speaker 1: explain a little bit later why there are many spectrums
Speaker 1: in Australian politics, but calling bs on bs artists pretty
Speaker 1: dead center to me. Regardless of whether you used to
Speaker 1: be a lefty, used to be a rity, are a
Speaker 1: righty or r a left winger, calling bs is dead
Speaker 1: on being a good Australian. Now forgive me if I
Speaker 1: do not fall for the latest bit of garbage from
Speaker 1: the CCP, the Communist Party coming out of Beijing. Now again,
Speaker 1: Oh mate, Albot Prime Minister of all time. Jesus is
Speaker 1: a new fantastic He was a vote magnet. According to
Speaker 1: some other review of the election. I just like when
Speaker 1: you win, you did everything amazing and it is a
Speaker 1: massive win and he's going to rule for many years.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean we go away. Okay. He made
Speaker 1: this promise during the election campaign. This was particularly relevant
Speaker 1: about the Chinese ownership of the Port of Darwin and
Speaker 1: the seat of Solomon, one of two in the Northern
Speaker 1: territory that at some point earlier this year the poll
Speaker 1: said they may lose.
Speaker 6: Are you announcing that the Labor government will buy back
Speaker 6: the port of Darwen?
Speaker 3: Lisa off Lambridge.
Speaker 1: What we are.
Speaker 10: Doing is we will enter into negotiations to do that.
Speaker 10: That is what we've been doing informally through potential buyers
Speaker 10: up to this point already. We'll have more to say
Speaker 10: over the coming period before the third of May.
Speaker 1: Problem is I don't believe him. Why, Well, check the
Speaker 1: previous comments, the past three years of bsing. And he's
Speaker 1: very good at politics and he was very good at
Speaker 1: being able to convince people that the other side was
Speaker 1: the end of everything and he was the solution to everything.
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that everything had got worse than the
Speaker 1: three anyway, well played, well played game, recognized this game.
Speaker 1: But the reason in particular I'm talking about this tonight,
Speaker 1: and in particular that I don't believe him, is because
Speaker 1: he made the same promise at the election before this one.
Speaker 1: In fact, in twenty twenty two, they were promising to
Speaker 1: have a fresh look at whether the Port of Darwin
Speaker 1: would still be owned by the Chinese. And the review
Speaker 1: came out on a Friday afternoon on the twentieth of October,
Speaker 1: when people were not paying attention, and in a news
Speaker 1: dump on a Friday afternoon, after promising to again get
Speaker 1: rid of the Chinese from the Port of Darwin, that
Speaker 1: being the Chinese Communist Party, not the citizenry of Australia,
Speaker 1: guess what, a review concluded that it was not necessary
Speaker 1: to vary or cancel the lease. So you say one
Speaker 1: thing during election, you do another after the election, and
Speaker 1: what's to say it won't be exactly the same this
Speaker 1: time around. We've already been on this go around, and
Speaker 1: the Chinese ambassador was out and about today pretending that
Speaker 1: this is the hill he wants to die on. This,
Speaker 1: in part is what were said today that the Chinese
Speaker 1: ambassador blasts Paul and the Darwin Port lease plan is
Speaker 1: ethically questionable. Now remember, they already know that the promise
Speaker 1: has been made. They already know that a review done
Speaker 1: by this Prime Minister's office let them off the hook
Speaker 1: once before. He could have blown up during the election,
Speaker 1: but of course that would somehow mean that it wasn't
Speaker 1: a clear choice for whom to vote for. Hence why
Speaker 1: I'm not falling for the theater. I don't believe that
Speaker 1: they're firing up. I don't believe there's about to be
Speaker 1: a change of ownership. If there is, great I'll be
Speaker 1: the first to sing hallelujah. But over the past ten years,
Speaker 1: the land Bridge Group has made significant investments in maintaining
Speaker 1: and building Darwin's Port infrastructure, optimizing its operations and management.
Speaker 1: These efforts have brought remarkable improvements of the broad turning
Speaker 1: the financial system a situation from losses to profits, contributing
Speaker 1: positively to the local and social development. It is ethically
Speaker 1: questionable to lease the port when it was unprofitable and
Speaker 1: then seek to reclaim it when it becomes profitable. Forgive me,
Speaker 1: mister ambassador, if I do not believe you that you
Speaker 1: are truly annoyed about something that you didn't mention when
Speaker 1: it was said during the campaign, that you didn't mention
Speaker 1: when it was mentioned in the last campaign that now
Speaker 1: when probably the same people who made the decision not
Speaker 1: to do anything a couple of years ago will probably
Speaker 1: make the same decision not to do anything this time around.
Speaker 1: You could have done something if you really cared about it, mate,
Speaker 1: you could have talked about it during an election, But then,
Speaker 1: of course that would upset the grand plan. The handsome
Speaker 1: boy has already done so much. The least that could
Speaker 1: use could do is to help him with a second
Speaker 1: term in office. Right now, we know that lives in
Speaker 1: the NATS break up last week, back together now one
Speaker 1: of the subjects that he's going to be a problem
Speaker 1: regardless of how long they stay in trial separation or
Speaker 1: when they get back in the house, Mom and Dad
Speaker 1: will start fighting about this again. Net zero zero zero
Speaker 1: zero at zero zero zero. And we know that our
Speaker 1: mates Barnaby, Joyce, Matt Canavan, well they say no, not
Speaker 1: interested in that doubling down on net zero for twenty
Speaker 1: fifty because of course they live in regionalarry is that
Speaker 1: are the ones grossly affected by this change. We also
Speaker 1: know that there are people now inside the Liberal Party,
Speaker 1: including people who would like to be the leader of
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party at one point in time, rock stars
Speaker 1: like Andrew Hasty, who are now openly as part of
Speaker 1: a program over there on Channel two tonight saying that
Speaker 1: he too is going to join the Party of those
Speaker 1: who don't want net zero as the policy of the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party.
Speaker 9: Net zero.
Speaker 5: Again, that's a straight jacket that I'm already getting out of.
Speaker 5: The real question is should austray In families and businesses
Speaker 5: be paying more for the electricity and should we allow
Speaker 5: this sort of hypocrisy at the heart of our economy
Speaker 5: to continue, whereby we sell coal and gas to India
Speaker 5: and China and we deny it to our own people.
Speaker 5: That's the question that I think we need to answer.
Speaker 1: Fascinating to see this is the real ructure between the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party and the National Party. I have goes put simply,
Speaker 1: many people inside the Liberal Party, or at least the
Speaker 1: machine or the left of the Liberal Party. I'm going
Speaker 1: to explain a little more about that. In the moment,
Speaker 1: they believe that if you walk away from any commitments
Speaker 1: to net zero, you're walking away from some sort of
Speaker 1: commitment and understanding about the role of climate change. And
Speaker 1: in the twenty first century, as more people believe in
Speaker 1: doing something about the environment than God, than somehow you
Speaker 1: are slitting your political throat if you do anything other
Speaker 1: than promise that you're going to be able to change
Speaker 1: the weather. Now, remember Australia one percent of the world's problem.
Speaker 1: Even if we did every single thing that every single
Speaker 1: green had ever dreamt of, China would be able to
Speaker 1: replace what we do in your sixteen days. But because
Speaker 1: of the politics of the time, the belief is that
Speaker 1: if we don't go as hard as the dreams of
Speaker 1: the greens would be, then somehow we're not doing our partner.
Speaker 1: If we're not doing our part, we're contributing to the problem.
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that as I have shown you before,
Speaker 1: if you looked at a clock of all of the
Speaker 1: countries of the world and how much emissions they put
Speaker 1: out there, the reality is that you'd be able to
Speaker 1: go past quarter past on China, who, of course Netzera
Speaker 1: twenty fifty does not apply to. Then you go through
Speaker 1: the rest of the world and that gets you to
Speaker 1: about halfway through the clock. It doesn't apply to them.
Speaker 1: Then you go to India, which will take you to
Speaker 1: about twenty two along with Russia, they're not doing anything.
Speaker 1: Then you can move your way up to quarter two,
Speaker 1: quarter two forty five of sixty minutes, and that'd be
Speaker 1: the United States and under Trump, they are not doing
Speaker 1: these things. I no, no, But the way that we
Speaker 1: will make sure that it never rains again, never rains again,
Speaker 1: There'll never be a drought, there'll never be a bushfire,
Speaker 1: is if we do something about one percent of global
Speaker 1: emissions and right now doing forty three percent. About one
Speaker 1: percent of the world's problems is the legislative target of
Speaker 1: the Labor Party. But now with unfettered power, with an
Speaker 1: absolute ease of access to getting anything passed through the
Speaker 1: left wing support of the Greens in the Senate, that
Speaker 1: number is going to become a whole lot bigger. It's
Speaker 1: one that of course they couldn't possibly discuss during an
Speaker 1: election campaign because you know that would lose them votes,
Speaker 1: but instead just talk about it in motherhood issues. Don't
Speaker 1: put any price, so I don't put any detail on it,
Speaker 1: don't even pretend that there's going to be a reduction
Speaker 1: in prices. And they of course won a thumper so
Speaker 1: Australia likes this type of politics, regardless of what they
Speaker 1: may well say, and according to people inside the Labor Party,
Speaker 1: their plan for the next little while is to up
Speaker 1: forty three percent of fixing one percent of the world's
Speaker 1: CLIs problems. That, by the way, what we wiped out
Speaker 1: by China in just sixteen days, is to replace that
Speaker 1: with a sixty five to seventy five percent target. Now,
Speaker 1: for those who rub their hands with glease a nit
Speaker 1: zero all we do, if we throw it off, if
Speaker 1: we get rid of it, then we're going to race
Speaker 1: our way back to government because we're going to be
Speaker 1: able to focus on all of the price stuff we
Speaker 1: did ten years ago. One of the things that makes
Speaker 1: that politics difficult as well, regardless of whether it's the
Speaker 1: right policy or not, is one part of the problem
Speaker 1: nobody ever talks about, regardless of whether you want the
Speaker 1: seventy five percent or whether you're somebody who wants nothing,
Speaker 1: when it comes to the net zero stuff state governments.
Speaker 1: In fact, I went and tried to find a left
Speaker 1: wing lobby group right left wing lobby group that shows
Speaker 1: all of the climate policies of all of the different states.
Speaker 1: All you need to know is it starts at anywhere
Speaker 1: between thirty one percent of the world's problem or fifty percent,
Speaker 1: or some of them have seventy percent. So the problem
Speaker 1: and difficulty of the politics that I look forward to
Speaker 1: debating tonight, do not consider. Do not confuse what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about now as advocacy of saying no, no, no, don't
Speaker 1: go anywhere near this policy is just saying. One of
Speaker 1: the problems with coalescing around where I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people want to coalesce around, which is bugerhet zero,
Speaker 1: is how do you get around what the States are
Speaker 1: planning to do? What do you do in three years
Speaker 1: time when we've already spent the billions of dollars on
Speaker 1: different types of infrastructure. It's worth a debate one we
Speaker 1: will have in a moment or two time. Now. This
Speaker 1: week we will learn who is going to be in
Speaker 1: and out of the shadow Cabinet. Yes, it will of
Speaker 1: course have some Nats in it. After they will inevitably
Speaker 1: sign that deal in the next little while. Susan Lee
Speaker 1: as the opposition leader, well, she gets the pick of
Speaker 1: the crop. She can decide whoever she wants in there. Yes,
Speaker 1: you've got to have x number of nationals. But other
Speaker 1: than that, it's basically up to her her decide which
Speaker 1: way things are going to go. Now, interestingly, what is
Speaker 1: important here is, as always, there are people who try
Speaker 1: to sort of send little smoke signals through the media,
Speaker 1: and these are, you know, don't you dare not put
Speaker 1: my favorite person in? Don't you dare not put my
Speaker 1: favorite person in? And this happens all over the media.
Speaker 1: Right seeing this for as many many years as I've
Speaker 1: been sitting here in many years before all of that, Right,
Speaker 1: and there's plenty of talent to pick from. Right obviously,
Speaker 1: there's Angus Taylor, there's just Into nampajimper Price, There's Tim Wilson,
Speaker 1: there's Melissa mcintoye. There's lots of good people that will
Speaker 1: be really good shadow ministers. But then there's the little
Speaker 1: messages that go out saying, oh, if the super conservative
Speaker 1: ones are not rewarded by having the exact same jobs
Speaker 1: that they had in the last parliament, and somehow we're
Speaker 1: going to threaten the whole blow to show up as
Speaker 1: conversely the lefties do when they're not in charge. That's
Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to prove here. There's something that
Speaker 1: is at the heart of all of this that I
Speaker 1: think actually needs a little bit of explaining. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be able to do this as well
Speaker 1: as somebody who has done or teaches a political science class.
Speaker 1: Are not going to be able to nail every single
Speaker 1: word or terminology, like people who's absolute passion are the
Speaker 1: political parties. But I wanted to explain the fight within
Speaker 1: the fight, within the fight within the fight, and that
Speaker 1: those fights are not just exclusive to the center right
Speaker 1: of Australian politics. Now put simply the Liberal Party if
Speaker 1: you were looking at it, and they don't say theirs factions,
Speaker 1: but the teams within teams. Okay, there are the moderates,
Speaker 1: there are the conservatives, and there's the center. Right Now,
Speaker 1: some people will say, just for the point of learning, okay,
Speaker 1: just agree for a second that this is all what happens.
Speaker 1: But then if you actually want to get a little
Speaker 1: bit more technical, you know, like how there's botanic names
Speaker 1: for plants and flowers. The botanic names for some political
Speaker 1: beliefs on the center right or right of Australian politics
Speaker 1: or any politics are traditional conservative, of neoliberal, the populist,
Speaker 1: a libertarian, someone in the religious right. Again, there's lots
Speaker 1: of more slivered terms, so that makes it seem like,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, the center right of Australian politics is
Speaker 1: this ungovernable mess of people who all disagree with each other,
Speaker 1: who are all trying to cut each other's throats. Guess what,
Speaker 1: it's exactly the same for the Labor Party. And even
Speaker 1: if they are in opposition with fifty seats, if they're
Speaker 1: in minority government by one seat, if they're in government
Speaker 1: like they are now with ninety almost ninety five seats,
Speaker 1: which is extraordinary, you have the factions, where again the
Speaker 1: MPs dance with the one who brung them, which was
Speaker 1: either people to the left or people to the right.
Speaker 1: And again the botannic names of some of the sub factions,
Speaker 1: or the socialist Left, the Fabian Socialists, the New Left,
Speaker 1: Labor Unity, Labor Reform. There are people that are not
Speaker 1: connected the underligned. And then as of course there's all
Speaker 1: of the different unions, and some of those are to
Speaker 1: the left and some of those are to the right.
Speaker 1: And as I say over on Channel two tonight, there
Speaker 1: is you know, quite the autopsy being performed, and it's
Speaker 1: all everything's terrible with the Liberal Party. Will never be
Speaker 1: able to lick its wounds because it has these fundamental
Speaker 1: design differences and people who want to go this way
Speaker 1: and people want to go that way. It will never
Speaker 1: ever be competitive again. And anyone who ever speaks in
Speaker 1: support of them or voted for them as a full
Speaker 1: you know, you know, surprise, surprise, history yet again written
Speaker 1: by the left. But this scenario written by the people
Speaker 1: who cheered on and helped shape part of the outcome.
Speaker 1: So why is it that when the Liberal Party gets
Speaker 1: itself into trouble it seems like everyone connected to the
Speaker 1: party has an opinion, says their thing, MPs, minister's shadow mistes,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, they're all tipping on each other. And
Speaker 1: when it's a labor party, generally speaking, there's none of
Speaker 1: that stuff. And why is it that during the three
Speaker 1: years of government or opposition, Labour's all kind of moving
Speaker 1: in one way, And then again, if there's a third
Speaker 1: of the Libs that don't like or some of the
Speaker 1: Nats that don't like it, they're able to turn around
Speaker 1: and kind of openly have dissent from within. It looks
Speaker 1: a little bit it's free, but it looks a little
Speaker 1: bit more messy. Well, there's a reason for that. And
Speaker 1: again I know hardcore politics people know this, but there
Speaker 1: are some people who may well not know this. So
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be taken for granted that
Speaker 1: this is part of the design of our system. The
Speaker 1: difference between the Labor Party and the Liberal Party is
Speaker 1: the way that they police themselves. You see, the Labour
Speaker 1: Party has a caucus system where all of their MPs
Speaker 1: have to go out and publicly say they completely, absolutely
Speaker 1: agree with whatever the party position is. Now they can
Speaker 1: argue against it inside the lock doors of a caucus room,
Speaker 1: but once you go outside. Hence why you get the
Speaker 1: nonsense of Penny Wong pretending that she was against same
Speaker 1: sex marriage. Whereas the Liberal Party has a party room
Speaker 1: rule which means, yes, you speak up in the party room. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you're part of the shadow cabinet, you have to
Speaker 1: adhere to its decisions. But in the Labor Party you
Speaker 1: will be punished for speaking against the system. In the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party you're allowed to be Malcolm Turnbull and all
Speaker 1: of those times he was on Q and A with
Speaker 1: the leather jacket shit canning his own government, his own minister's,
Speaker 1: his own Prime minister, because he was in the third
Speaker 1: of the Liberal Party that wasn't able to convince the
Speaker 1: bedwarders in the middle to join with them and push
Speaker 1: out the other third of the party. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And it's why so many people are going to be
Speaker 1: on television and have been on television for the past
Speaker 1: couple of weeks with what they think we're wrong and
Speaker 1: what should be into the future. Why they seem more
Speaker 1: ill disciplined than the Labor Party. Put simply, it is
Speaker 1: you are free to speak in the Liberal Party. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Please do not confuse again what I
Speaker 1: am saying to be advocacy for changing the system. But
Speaker 1: in the modern politics and the modern media, politics that
Speaker 1: makes the most of internal division, and internal division is
Speaker 1: often weaponized by your political opponents as proof that you
Speaker 1: are not ready to govern. Is there a conversation that
Speaker 1: needs to be had, just like the Labour Party had
Speaker 1: under Simon Crean all those years ago, where it used
Speaker 1: to be sixty to forty union control and it became
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty, that there's a fundamental rule here that
Speaker 1: maybe has to pull some people into line. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to take a couple minutes to
Speaker 1: explain what others may assume is either too boring for
Speaker 1: you to know about, too complicated for you to know about,
Speaker 1: but I just want you to know about it, because
Speaker 1: that's why you see these little stories that pop up
Speaker 1: everywhere if someone's trying to ever go at somebody else.
Speaker 1: You saw it when it came to Ed Husick and
Speaker 1: his future in the Labour Party is going to be
Speaker 1: a world of pain, most likely never to return anywhere
Speaker 1: near power. If albo or a version of Albou remains
Speaker 1: leader for the rest of his political career. That's just
Speaker 1: the reality. But it's why the Liberal Party is able
Speaker 1: to have all of it's dirty laundry, and they are
Speaker 1: the ones hanging out the dirty laundry live on television
Speaker 1: tonight to a person who of course is nothing but
Speaker 1: critical of the Liberal Party. Amazing stuff. All right, Let's
Speaker 1: talk now about the clean up operation that is taking
Speaker 1: place as we speak in and around Tarre. There are
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of homes which have been affected, that
Speaker 1: have been really screwed over by the floods of recent days,
Speaker 1: and the operation now moves to one where in the
Speaker 1: next couple of nights we'll talk about insurance. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about these things, but the main and most important thing
Speaker 1: here is that I did not want people to be
Speaker 1: able to I did not want people to be left
Speaker 1: behind here and not know what is exactly the situation
Speaker 1: of what's taking place. But Tanya Thompson is the national
Speaker 1: z MP who represents this part of New South Wales
Speaker 1: since she joins us. Now, Tanya, how's everyone holding up
Speaker 1: a couple of days in? I'm sure they're all very tired,
Speaker 1: But how's everyone going?
Speaker 11: Yeah? Pretty tired forul just working through it. Every day
Speaker 11: you know is a new day and another road to recovery.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, So give us an idea about this process
Speaker 1: that we're in now right where literally as we see
Speaker 1: shop to shop, house to house, there's you know, the
Speaker 1: danger part is gone, but the real punish has really
Speaker 1: started to begin. What are you seeing and what do
Speaker 1: you want people to know about what is happening in
Speaker 1: Tari compared to what we were seeing a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago.
Speaker 11: Yes, So it's important though to know that it's not
Speaker 11: just Tari, So we are talking about a whole region.
Speaker 11: You know, we've got a really large catchment and so
Speaker 11: we've got areas tari Wingham, Mount George, Weal Flat, there's
Speaker 11: Old bar Manning Point. There are so many areas affected,
Speaker 11: some places that we haven't even been able to get
Speaker 11: into yet because they are still very isolated. They said
Speaker 11: today ten thousand plus people are still isolated because of
Speaker 11: this blood event, So we can't get into those communities
Speaker 11: yet to make sure people are okay. They're without power,
Speaker 11: tellor communications, so there's a real worry for those people
Speaker 11: to make sure that they're doing all right. You know,
Speaker 11: they talk about phases. So first of all, you're in that,
Speaker 11: you know, recovery phase of the response phase. And now
Speaker 11: we're into the recovery phase where we go in and
Speaker 11: we see the rfs and the sees, well the boots
Speaker 11: on the ground. You know, we could definitely use some
Speaker 11: more of those, but you know, going into homes piece
Speaker 11: by piece, as you say, you know, businesses, farms, everything, everywhere.
Speaker 11: There's just mess everywhere, but everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking at a map of your electric
Speaker 1: right now. Right, So down to the south of seal Rocks, Bulletdealer,
Speaker 1: we go up through Taree. We've got Foster where you
Speaker 1: are now on the coast. You know, it's a very
Speaker 1: big area which you have to take care of right now.
Speaker 1: Is much of the electorate in trouble. So basically, this
Speaker 1: entire land mass that you are responsible for representing, there's
Speaker 1: not just a pocket. There's a huge amount of it
Speaker 1: that's in trouble.
Speaker 11: Amount, there's a huge amount. So my electrod itself is
Speaker 11: five and a half thousand square kilometers to cover. But
Speaker 11: so the Manning region has a massive catchment itself and
Speaker 11: it all just flows into this river system and that
Speaker 11: is what is essentially just flooded that Manning Room region.
Speaker 11: So we talk about the Mannings. You know, we've got
Speaker 11: the Great Lakes and the Manning and that is where
Speaker 11: this flood event has happened. So it is so many
Speaker 11: regions that have so many little towns and villages that
Speaker 11: have been wiped out. You know Wingham in particular. We
Speaker 11: went there yesterday and there's mud, tigernees, there's a meter
Speaker 11: of mud to get through, and there's silt and you're
Speaker 11: at a dairy farm today and it's impossible to get
Speaker 11: to every place. But you know, we're trying really hard
Speaker 11: to connecting with every community that we can, businesses, and
Speaker 11: I just I have to say our communities are just
Speaker 11: the most amazing resilient communities that you'll ever see, Paul,
Speaker 11: that they just you know, there's strangers in strangers' homes
Speaker 11: that just pick up a broom and a shovel and
Speaker 11: put the boots on and just get in and get
Speaker 11: it done to help their neighbor. And that's just just
Speaker 11: such a wonderful thing to see, you know, out of
Speaker 11: such a horrific event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, Tenure, Well, the reason we want to talk
Speaker 1: to you tonight again was the media has a wonderful
Speaker 1: way of moving on and moving on pretty quickly. But
Speaker 1: the reality is literally from Lismore for a few years ago,
Speaker 1: there's still plenty of stuff to be done. Let alone cyclones,
Speaker 1: let alone fires. It all just it's not something I
Speaker 1: want to return to in a year's time and want
Speaker 1: to talk about it while things are happening right now.
Speaker 1: Over the next couple of days, when it starts to
Speaker 1: become easier for people to know how to volunteer, how
Speaker 1: to donate, what to do, we'll make sure that we
Speaker 1: keep putting that there. But if there's anyone I need
Speaker 1: a yell out on your behalf, Tenure, I will gladly
Speaker 1: do so strength and love to everyone in the community,
Speaker 1: and good on you for the way that you represent them.
Speaker 1: Really good stuff. Thank you Tanner. All right, quick break
Speaker 1: back with more here on Port Murray Live. Lots to
Speaker 1: talk about, lots of debate, lots of big ideas to discuss.
Speaker 1: Is the time for somehow the center right of politics
Speaker 1: to be forced to zip their mouth? Or is one
Speaker 1: of the joys of center right politics that you're freely
Speaker 1: able to do so? But the problem is is that
Speaker 1: it means the Labor Party is able to exploit the
Speaker 1: open divisions. I look forward to Mattanavans on this and
Speaker 1: a whole lot more in a moment's time here on
Speaker 1: Pullmurray Line. Thanks for watching, Thank you so much for watching.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the conversation right now. Linda Scott's in
Speaker 1: the man Cave and whenever he's in town, he's more
Speaker 1: than welcome the man Cave. A last he's got his
Speaker 1: own is none other than the wonderful Matt Canavan. Matt,
Speaker 1: let's just jump through a couple of big things, because
Speaker 1: while I was sitting back there in cans on the weekend,
Speaker 1: just you know, making the most of my time on
Speaker 1: a jet ski your mind starts to wander. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to bring some of the most dangerous things you
Speaker 1: can do on television, which is to wonder out loud. Okay,
Speaker 1: people like a fully cooked and prepared meal. I am
Speaker 1: just putting a whole bunch of ingredients on the table
Speaker 1: and let's see what we come up with. Okay. So
Speaker 1: first questions. First, the power bills actually matter any more
Speaker 1: in Australian politics because Matt, we would have seen every
Speaker 1: pole and we would have seen everyone blow up about it.
Speaker 1: But we had a government that lied for three years.
Speaker 1: We had a government that has made everything more expensive.
Speaker 1: We have a government that has been handsomely rewarded. Is
Speaker 1: the reality that people love a bitch and moon, but
Speaker 1: they didn't change your vote on it.
Speaker 8: It was nothing like the North queenslande humidity, Paul. To
Speaker 8: clarify your thinking, people just have a different way of
Speaker 8: thinking up here.
Speaker 9: At least I find reassuring for our future.
Speaker 8: Look, I think the problem with the election was, Paul,
Speaker 8: we didn't have a plan to reduce them, to reduce
Speaker 8: power bills. So I absolutely think the cost of living,
Speaker 8: power bills inflation top of mind for almost all the
Speaker 8: strains certainly. I'm sure both parties polling said the same thing.
Speaker 8: When you ask people what's their biggest issue and biggest concern,
Speaker 8: it was inflation, it was the cost of living.
Speaker 9: I just felt that on my side of politics, we did.
Speaker 8: Not have a coherent plan to reduce electricity prices in
Speaker 8: a short space of time. I do believe nuclear could
Speaker 8: help do that over time, but of course that would
Speaker 8: take ten years.
Speaker 9: It's a long time for people to wait.
Speaker 8: And then at the end we came up with a
Speaker 8: gas plan, but our own modeling showed that was only
Speaker 8: going to reduce power prices or power bills I should say,
Speaker 8: by three percent. And now I lay the Labor party
Speaker 8: given their due. They turn their Medicare card into a
Speaker 8: cost of living issue. Let's wait and see if it's
Speaker 8: going to be another broken promise for labor because they
Speaker 8: say that everyone's going to be bog billing for the
Speaker 8: next three years.
Speaker 1: And again the GPS themselves about that, well, you know,
Speaker 1: eight and a half up to nine out of ten
Speaker 1: serving around say yeah, that's not going to be the case.
Speaker 1: I know that that promise, remember like the two seventy five, oh,
Speaker 1: the modeling changed and just completely allowed to get away
Speaker 1: with it. It'll be no doubt the same in the
Speaker 1: next three years. But Linda, you must be loving the
Speaker 1: idea that you sit back here and you see that
Speaker 1: not only is the Labour Party get a third of
Speaker 1: the vote, they get basically that middle third when it
Speaker 1: comes to preferences, which means you end up with ninety
Speaker 1: four seats. I think they're right up to the number
Speaker 1: that John Howard won in ninety ninety six maximum position
Speaker 1: of power logically looking at multiple terms after all of that.
Speaker 1: Yet there is a conversation aggressively being held inside the
Speaker 1: coalition as it will be. But certainly the Conservative Party
Speaker 1: is now, including with our mate Matt which is not
Speaker 1: in at zero because of the well articulated arguments they've
Speaker 1: all made in the past. And you saw Andrew Hasty
Speaker 1: again bouncing around on Channel two tonight saying that it's
Speaker 1: a straight jacket and it's one that he wants to
Speaker 1: get out of. Do you hope that the Conservative side
Speaker 1: of politics continues to never resolve this issue?
Speaker 6: Look, I hope that Australians get a good government. Actually,
Speaker 6: we've got Victoria and decimated by drought. We've got New
Speaker 6: South Wales with record floods and we've got a Liberal
Speaker 6: National Party that simply can't stop talking about themselves.
Speaker 1: We don't pretend that we can change it with.
Speaker 6: It's actually well, we can have a power plan that
Speaker 6: actually reduces the impact of climate also reduces China.
Speaker 1: We did everything sixteen times. I'm not being offensive. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, no one's promising to change your weather.
Speaker 3: I'm never offended. I love to debate.
Speaker 1: No one's pretending they're going to be able to change
Speaker 1: your weather. But that seems to be the underlying.
Speaker 6: That everybody reads a government ball that actually focuses on
Speaker 6: the problems of Australians at hand. And this is the
Speaker 6: whole issue, isn't it. We have issued by a mile
Speaker 6: during the election who did not focus on the issues
Speaker 6: that mattered to normal Australians. We've got so much of
Speaker 6: New South Wales decimated by terrible floods.
Speaker 3: Sometimes none of that will be reversed.
Speaker 1: Work on req whether we have women.
Speaker 6: And nobody nobody is going to be talking about this
Speaker 6: for it seems months in the.
Speaker 3: Liberal and National Party.
Speaker 6: It's not my job to give anybody advice, but Australians
Speaker 6: deserve a good government that focuses on the issues that matter.
Speaker 1: And my point is this, and this is what's tough
Speaker 1: to hear, okay, but again that North Queensland humidity, the
Speaker 1: free air of a jet ski ride, feeding crocs, it all.
Speaker 1: Just now I get the clear thinking of Matt Canevan
Speaker 1: all the time, right, which is to say, look, I
Speaker 1: don't care about what all the poles and this and
Speaker 1: to that, just this is what I think. Bang on,
Speaker 1: shoot straight and see what happens. It hits or it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I'm in that mood tonight, okay, which is Matt Again.
Speaker 1: I understand the logic of every time we talk about
Speaker 1: nit zero what the consequences are, But aren't we also
Speaker 1: in a scenario where all of the state governments are
Speaker 1: either at thirty or fifty or seventy five percent. So
Speaker 1: even if the federal government or the federal Liberal Party
Speaker 1: was the national party, was able to coalesce around in zero, yes,
Speaker 1: that's the federal policy. But when you've got a local
Speaker 1: council declaring climate emergencies, the states that are in charge
Speaker 1: of the energy greed in many ways, how do those
Speaker 1: two systems meet up?
Speaker 8: Well, Paul, and just on what Linda says, of course
Speaker 8: we need to help those affected by drought or floods,
Speaker 8: but I don't think it also should be used as
Speaker 8: an excuse to ignore these other big issues as well.
Speaker 8: We can do both things. I know my National Party colleagues,
Speaker 8: despite claims on the ABC, Pat Conahan and Alison Penfold,
Speaker 8: have been literally out there scrubbing mud from people's homes
Speaker 8: and businesses the last few days. And then the left
Speaker 8: wing media jumps on this narrative saying they're not even
Speaker 8: in their electorates.
Speaker 9: They're in camera. It was just a light dead set light.
Speaker 8: Thankfully that's been corrected by the ABC, but it was
Speaker 8: got around the world before it could be. And then
Speaker 8: on this issue that you raise their Paul, Look, I
Speaker 8: think it's about time we have this debate for our tree.
Speaker 9: Things are not going well. Of course. The government has
Speaker 9: basically given up on lowering power prices. I mean, if
Speaker 9: you think that that our.
Speaker 8: Power prices now should just have to remain the highest
Speaker 8: in the world and that's the way it goes, well,
Speaker 8: fair enough, that's what the government is promising. They're not
Speaker 8: even saying they're going to lower your power bills. But
Speaker 8: I actually think there is a plan to do so.
Speaker 8: And you say that what about local and state governments, Well,
Speaker 8: we can win these arguments. We can change the course
Speaker 8: of lots of different governments by taking up the fight.
Speaker 8: I know here in Queensland or the Queensland l and
Speaker 8: P today they've just canceled our major win project because
Speaker 8: of the local people. Guess what don't want it? They
Speaker 8: don't want it's one just close to where I am
Speaker 8: here is out there and spoken to the residents. And
Speaker 8: what will I don't want to stop.
Speaker 9: We'll look at New Zealand as well.
Speaker 6: New Zealanders stop investment in Australia. It will cost jobs
Speaker 6: in Australia.
Speaker 9: What do you think local people deserve to say? I'm
Speaker 9: not lenders, as simple as that. Do you think who
Speaker 9: side do you want?
Speaker 5: Less?
Speaker 9: Serious? Seriously, lend, whose side do you want?
Speaker 8: You're on the global investors side or you're on the
Speaker 8: local communities who don't want their bushland ravaged. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 8: what side are you on? I'm on the side of
Speaker 8: local Australian people. I don't give us stuff too much
Speaker 8: about the global investors who want to rape and pillage
Speaker 8: our native bushland. Sure they want to make money. Good
Speaker 8: luck to them, but I'm not on their side. I'm
Speaker 8: on the side of people who want to protect the
Speaker 8: native bushland of this country. That Moonlight Range they were
Speaker 8: going to devastate with two hundred and eighty meters high
Speaker 8: wind turbines was an absolute environmental disgrace. And I'm sick
Speaker 8: and tired of no offense, Linder.
Speaker 3: But people who don't even come opinion.
Speaker 8: And visit these areas saying that somehow this is a
Speaker 8: terrible thing. To stop these projects and protect our bush land.
Speaker 8: I've been there, I've spoken to the residents. They do
Speaker 8: not want this project, and I think those Australians deserve
Speaker 8: to have their voice heard wherever it is in Brisbane
Speaker 8: or Canberra, and not run over roughshod by international investors
Speaker 8: that the Labor Party seems unable to say no to.
Speaker 1: All right, if you want to respond after the break,
Speaker 1: you may do, sir Linda. In the meantime, we will
Speaker 1: take that break, we will return to the conversation again.
Speaker 1: The most dangerous thing you can do in public life
Speaker 1: is to wonder out loud. That's the mood I'm in.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be in it for a
Speaker 1: few more days. And I look forward to the conversations
Speaker 1: that will come from it. They are truly dangerous because
Speaker 1: I don't know where they're going to go. I don't
Speaker 1: know whether where they're going to end up. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: not just going to be, you know, good vibes and
Speaker 1: good news. Sometimes they might be just one or two
Speaker 1: rocks that aren't that pleasant to see, or you'll have
Speaker 1: to spit them out. But at least we'll be talking
Speaker 1: about things. We'll get to that in the moment's time.
Speaker 1: All right, speed around now with two people who I
Speaker 1: know we could fill the rest of the night with.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to mood for the chat none other
Speaker 1: than sitting to meet Canavan and Linda Scott as well
Speaker 1: as in the man Cave. Now very quickly, if you can,
Speaker 1: Matt again. I just want to bring people up to
Speaker 1: speed with things and then they can make their own decisions. Right.
Speaker 1: But we hear that one of the sticking points is
Speaker 1: in and around the divestiture powers in relation to things
Speaker 1: like supermarkets. Now, I'll be really honest, I've got a
Speaker 1: vague idea of what this is, but I reckon there's
Speaker 1: a massive chance there's a lot of people watching us
Speaker 1: right now. Who've heard this is one of the four
Speaker 1: sticking points, but they actually have no idea what it means.
Speaker 1: Can you give me the thirty second stump speech? What
Speaker 1: are we talking about? What does divestit you mean? Does
Speaker 1: it mean the government walks in and says no cosmwoollies
Speaker 1: too big? What does it mean?
Speaker 8: It means a stricter, stronger penalties on big businesses that
Speaker 8: treat small businesses and farmers with disrespect. About ten years ago,
Speaker 8: we saw Cole's be found guilty of unconsciable conduct where
Speaker 8: they just simply demanded a payment of hundreds of thousands
Speaker 8: of dollars from a small business that strain small business oats.
Speaker 8: The judge in that case could only find them ten
Speaker 8: million dollars. The judge herself said that that was clearly
Speaker 8: in inadequate fine for a company that has a turnover
Speaker 8: of over thirty billion dollars a year. And so in
Speaker 8: those cases, I think there should be strict penalties in place.
Speaker 9: You should not.
Speaker 8: Allow big businesses to bully smaller businesses like that. These laws,
Speaker 8: these so called divesture laws, would give the courts an
Speaker 8: option to demand the breakup of a company.
Speaker 9: It's very severe but they do. It exists.
Speaker 8: Such penalties exist in the US and Canada and Europe.
Speaker 8: Very strange we don't have them.
Speaker 1: Too, Linda, what do you think of it?
Speaker 6: Look, I think it's important to debate laws in the
Speaker 6: public domain where people feel comfort and confidence that this
Speaker 6: consultation going on. I think what Australians don't want is
Speaker 6: to put in place, in this case, with Australia's supermarket industry,
Speaker 6: thousands and thousands of people's jobs because there's a secret
Speaker 6: behind closed doors negotiation going on about policies and maybe
Speaker 6: future laws depending on if this rebel get into.
Speaker 1: Government and price gouging.
Speaker 6: I think that Australians feel comfortable and confident that this
Speaker 6: is the best way to make policy because this is
Speaker 6: in the end really serious and.
Speaker 3: About thousands of jobs.
Speaker 6: So we can have our arguments, but the kinds of
Speaker 6: things you're trying to introduce in this what is essentially
Speaker 6: negotiation over positions in a tiny rump of a party,
Speaker 6: things like nuclear power are like thousands of Australian jobs
Speaker 6: in the supermarket industry. This is the way to engage
Speaker 6: in a negotiations about treasure or the shadow shadow treasure.
Speaker 9: I'd have to go through a word normal.
Speaker 1: You until Matt, you're not a piece of legislation to principle.
Speaker 6: Until recently, Matt, you were openly seeking to be the
Speaker 6: government of this nation.
Speaker 3: I don't think you would deny that.
Speaker 6: And what you're doing now is trying to form policies
Speaker 6: that underpin in reality. This was policy, but this was
Speaker 6: our policy agreement, treasure Lend, Treasure Lenda.
Speaker 9: I don't pretend I'm not too critical. You probably don't.
Speaker 8: Weren't aware about policies, that's fine, But we took this
Speaker 8: policy to the election. I think you're under a misapprehension
Speaker 8: we actually this, this particular policy was the policy.
Speaker 6: If you believe what you read in the newspaper, you
Speaker 6: were seeking to go further than the policy you took
Speaker 6: to the election and have over the coalition agreement. So
Speaker 6: you're correct if we're wrong there. If you want to
Speaker 6: weaken the policy, you're correct if we're wrong.
Speaker 1: But a couple of quick ones before we a couple
Speaker 1: of quick ones here in South Australia. No core flutes,
Speaker 1: A state elections great, make this national I hate them.
Speaker 1: And apparently you know there's a bilection coming up in
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks and oh there's worries people
Speaker 1: may not vote because they may not know an elections on,
Speaker 1: because there's not posters everywhere. If you don't know there's
Speaker 1: an election on, then guess what you're going to copy? Fine,
Speaker 1: but I would not like to see for the seven
Speaker 1: months before an election the face of somebody I'm not
Speaker 1: going to vote for that. I'm not interested in being
Speaker 1: shoved down out. I couldn't care less. Is there a
Speaker 1: person who is intimidated by all? There are more houses
Speaker 1: with this poster up than the shove it. It's old school,
Speaker 1: it's nineteenth century politics. Bugger off. Why am I wrong, Linda?
Speaker 3: You're in your front yard? But I do agree with you,
Speaker 3: and many.
Speaker 1: Many califuls I hate them.
Speaker 6: No, no, many many councils actually said you can't put
Speaker 6: them up on power.
Speaker 1: Pots any way, mate, No they don't.
Speaker 6: In New South Wales there are a whole bunch of
Speaker 6: marginal seats that had no posters up on power palls.
Speaker 1: Given you a list if.
Speaker 6: You went to the Central Coast last election, the one
Speaker 6: before this most recent one, there were.
Speaker 1: Bazillly councils who don't enforce it.
Speaker 6: I want to say, I was impressed. I thought the
Speaker 6: councils enforced it better this time. They were left posted
Speaker 6: and that was.
Speaker 3: A good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Matte, go for it.
Speaker 9: Can I just offer the quick count of you. I agree.
Speaker 9: Not on power poles, that's crazy.
Speaker 8: But but but a lot of these laws, Paul, don't forget,
Speaker 8: are there to protect incumbents.
Speaker 9: And I'm one of the big parties. But if you,
Speaker 9: if you ban these.
Speaker 8: Type of posters going up, it makes it very hard,
Speaker 8: makes it very hard for smaller parties and independent candidates
Speaker 8: to get their name recognition out there. And I think
Speaker 8: we should have competition our political process. I have no
Speaker 8: problem with them during the election period, not for seven months.
Speaker 8: They're not allowed for seven months in queens at least
Speaker 8: during the election period a few weeks. I think it's
Speaker 8: fair enough to let people run and get their face
Speaker 8: and name out there.
Speaker 1: So you were impressed at the start with the North
Speaker 1: Queensland air and now at the end you've gone right enough.
Speaker 8: And that was three days of it. Too much common
Speaker 8: sense was coursing through myveins.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Send in a future senator, will talk to
Speaker 1: you all again very much into the future. All right,
Speaker 1: quick break back with more, lots more to talk about,
Speaker 1: including education. I know how much you care about it.
Speaker 1: I do. Sorry today just blew my mind. Blew my
Speaker 1: mind about the double standards we have that in a second,
Speaker 1: what about the rubbish that took place yesterday in Victoria.
Speaker 1: This nonsense of the gangs back and forth and deciding
Speaker 1: to meet in the middle of the day in a
Speaker 1: shopping center, machetes, all the rest of it, that was
Speaker 1: part of the focus of the media.
Speaker 3: One of the people involved holding a lunch.
Speaker 1: There were screams of knife. There was a machete scene,
Speaker 1: machete terror inside one of Melbourne's busiest shopping senses, a
Speaker 1: man with a huge blade facing off with two others.
Speaker 1: And today the Allen governments turned around and said that
Speaker 1: it will now be illegal to sell anything longer than
Speaker 1: twenty centimeters as a blade in Victoria.
Speaker 12: These knives are dangerous weapons. They have no place on
Speaker 12: our streets anywhere, and that is why I will introduce
Speaker 12: as many laws to get these dangerous knives off the streets,
Speaker 12: which is why I'm announcing today that effective immediately, will
Speaker 12: be bringing in place a ban on the sale of machetes.
Speaker 1: But guess what, the same premiere two months ago. Two
Speaker 1: months ago said that that might be a little bit
Speaker 1: too difficult. That was the two hard box. So well
Speaker 1: done to the Age who wrote about this, saying that
Speaker 1: two months ago the government rejected the idea of using
Speaker 1: consumer Lord to stop the retail giant anaconder blah blah
Speaker 1: blah from being able to sell such things. And of
Speaker 1: course it's not the first time. Yesterday is not the
Speaker 1: first time a machette has been used in Melbourne. In fact,
Speaker 1: a quick check of the archives, the word machete has
Speaker 1: appeared more than just yesterday. Mate.
Speaker 7: A Keysbra homeowner has warned off a group of machete
Speaker 7: bandits trying to steal his Mercedes at seven in the morning.
Speaker 7: Victorious police chief has voiced his disgust over a Sint
Speaker 7: Kilda machete attack that left a thirty nine year old
Speaker 7: man with a horrific head wound. A machete wielding intruder
Speaker 7: has run off in his socks after smashing his way
Speaker 7: into a Keilor East property and ditching his shoes in
Speaker 7: the large room.
Speaker 1: Fingers crossed. People in Victoria have got a BS detector
Speaker 1: finally for this mob. Oh, we couldn't do it two
Speaker 1: months ago. It's been around for how many years now? Oh?
Speaker 1: But will pass as many laws VEDI. Anyway, another story today,
Speaker 1: This one pops up I think in the Guardian, which
Speaker 1: was that a collection of teacher have said that there's
Speaker 1: a culture of disrespect inside our schools, which is why,
Speaker 1: in part, the behavior of kids in our schools is
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they're pulling the pin and
Speaker 1: don't want to work in our schools anymore. Can you
Speaker 1: meet me at camera four? Okay, everyone, Surprise, surprise. For
Speaker 1: thirty years, every kid's got a prize. And guess what.
Speaker 1: Those kids went to UNI and those kids decided to
Speaker 1: become teachers or managers or tea or politicians, and they
Speaker 1: have a different worldview than previous generations who have believed
Speaker 1: that one of the ways that school prepares you for
Speaker 1: real life is when you are disciplined by a teacher.
Speaker 1: Your parents, when you tell them about that discipline, side
Speaker 1: with the teacher because you did the wrong thing. But
Speaker 1: for thirty years, now, thirty years, we've told the teacher
Speaker 1: they can't discipline the kids. We've told them that hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars is
Speaker 1: the way to solve. More money. More money. The OECD
Speaker 1: says that our classrooms are so disruptive that we are
Speaker 1: towards the worst performers in the world. That's been happening
Speaker 1: for years as we have systematically new to the teacher's
Speaker 1: ability to control a classroom. The kids are getting away
Speaker 1: with murder and when the parents question the teacher, when
Speaker 1: the teacher punishes the kid and the parent expects the
Speaker 1: teacher to pull the kid into line when they won't
Speaker 1: pull the kid into line at home, good luck hopefully.
Speaker 1: And I know there are great teachers out there. But
Speaker 1: if the kids who were bad kids are the ones
Speaker 1: who end up becoming the people that are supposed to
Speaker 1: discipline the next round, guess what's going to happen. Nothing
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