Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Oh
Speaker 1: you wait, Oh you wait. We're going to Cannsa this weekend.
Speaker 1: Do I do it in the man caved or do
Speaker 1: it in cans Something will happen. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for watching, Thank you Caleb, and thank you for joining
Speaker 1: us tonight. There is a lot to get to, but
Speaker 1: of course let's start off with a focus of what
Speaker 1: is happening in and around the mid north coast of
Speaker 1: New South Wales. Thousands of people still nowhere near their homes.
Speaker 1: Huge issues that are happening there in and around the floods. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: in and around some of the areas we were talking
Speaker 1: about last night. The water is starting to subside, excellent,
Speaker 1: but the rain that's been pounding away is continuing to move.
Speaker 1: This time it's starting to move a little bit to
Speaker 1: south the next couple of days. Really again more communities
Speaker 1: having to deal with things, let alone everyone who is
Speaker 1: dealing with what they are right now. So as you
Speaker 1: can see the areas that are affected, Coughs, Harbor, Kempsey,
Speaker 1: Mount Seaview, Port Macquarie, tare little places like war Hope,
Speaker 1: William Town, in and around Newcastle. To give you an
Speaker 1: idea again Mount Seaview. This is a place where I
Speaker 1: think I went on I did. I went on school
Speaker 1: camps there any decades ago. That is six hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty two millimeters that they have copped in the past
Speaker 1: of the while beautiful Port Macquarie four hundred and sixteen
Speaker 1: Carrey's Peak six hundred and fourteen, basically a month's worth
Speaker 1: of rain in the best part of twenty four hours. Now, sadly,
Speaker 1: we have had reports and confirmation not just to people missing,
Speaker 1: but of people who have lost their lives. Here is
Speaker 1: the latest on those.
Speaker 2: So so far we.
Speaker 3: Have recovered three bodies by emergency service as a result
Speaker 3: of the plot operation, while the.
Speaker 2: Search for a man missing in Nimbo the year is.
Speaker 1: Continuing bloody, awful and sadly, given that some homes are
Speaker 1: unavailable to be inspected, we hope that that number does
Speaker 1: not increase. But until the water subsides everyone able to
Speaker 1: go back, we're able to check that everyone's safe. Then
Speaker 1: our fear is that these things get much much worse.
Speaker 1: Strength and love, of course to all of the families
Speaker 1: who are deeply disrupted. The expectation from the sees. So
Speaker 1: when we were talking to them last night was get
Speaker 1: ready for a few days in and around some of
Speaker 1: the emergency accommodation. About five thousand and nine hundred evacuation
Speaker 1: orders currently are all over different parts of the Mid
Speaker 1: North Coast and in and around New South Wales. There
Speaker 1: are ten six hundred people who are currently under the
Speaker 1: emergency warnings. As for the key locations, and again it's
Speaker 1: lots of places. If you're watching us on sky News Regional,
Speaker 1: listening to us via the apps, places like Manning, Gloucester,
Speaker 1: the Hastings and Maclay River, you've known that for the
Speaker 1: past couple of days. Prepare to isolate. That is the
Speaker 1: message that is coming from government officials about Tarre, Gloucester
Speaker 1: and Wingham. Wingham, of course not too far from Tarre
Speaker 1: evacuate now settlement Point again not too far from Port mcquarie,
Speaker 1: kemc Smithtown and the Nambuca region, specifically in and around Maxville.
Speaker 1: Anyone who remembers a drive through there knows the post
Speaker 1: office on Maxwell that you can see from the highway. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's exactly the area that we are talking about. There's
Speaker 1: more detail, much more specific at hazard watch dot gov
Speaker 1: dot AU. That's a federal government site that also feeds
Speaker 1: through to the state government information. If you need help,
Speaker 1: please write the number down one three to five hundred
Speaker 1: if you need the sees there's lots of people doing
Speaker 1: lots of work everywhere, and please Triple zero is for
Speaker 1: scenarios where someone's life is in danger. So if it's
Speaker 1: about flooding and things to do with your house and
Speaker 1: a need for a tarp or all of that, one three, two,
Speaker 1: five hundred, if someone's life is in danger, that's the
Speaker 1: only time to be calling triple O. Here are some
Speaker 1: of the people that have been dealing with the worst
Speaker 1: of weather of the past couple of days.
Speaker 3: Spratt, but I feel sorry for everybody is.
Speaker 4: The sheer amount of local rain has just inundated all
Speaker 4: of the towns, all of our storm water, and there's
Speaker 4: currently nowhere for that water to go.
Speaker 5: Not interested in empty big promises of emergency declarations and
Speaker 5: then nothing happens. So we need people on the ground.
Speaker 5: And that's all the way through from obviously rescuing people
Speaker 5: through to making sure that people have accommodation and then
Speaker 5: food and clean water to drink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the case. Of course, it's not just
Speaker 1: people in those evacuations centers, but trying to move from
Speaker 1: those evacuations centers somewhere, but the roads cut in lots
Speaker 1: of different ways and lots of different places, meaning that
Speaker 1: it is very difficult to be able to get somewhere,
Speaker 1: to be able to find a place to put your
Speaker 1: head down, or more importantly the rest of the family, kids, grandkids,
Speaker 1: Strength and love to everyone who's dealing with this. This
Speaker 1: is not just pictures on the TV. This, of course
Speaker 1: real life and real matters of life and death, and
Speaker 1: also huge amounts of trauma that are going to be
Speaker 1: playing out over the next few days. That's why at
Speaker 1: the start of the show, I'm trying to do the
Speaker 1: breaking news information only stuff. We're getting too opinion, politics,
Speaker 1: and the rest of the days other things in a
Speaker 1: couple of moments time. As for the actual path of
Speaker 1: the weather here, the great thing about being at sky
Speaker 1: News is that, of course we have sky News Weather
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, and you can see that on
Speaker 1: Foxtell Flash, or you can see it many times on
Speaker 1: sky News Regional. You can also get all the information
Speaker 1: at sky news dot com dot au a team at
Speaker 1: the Weather Channel. The latest for you is this.
Speaker 6: Over the next six hours, we're still looking at the
Speaker 6: potential for rainfall totals in this area between sixty and
Speaker 6: one hundred millimeters after midnight. This is forecast to ease
Speaker 6: pulling southwards on Friday, though the risk shifts towards parts
Speaker 6: of the central Coast, the Blue Mountains, the Illawarra, and
Speaker 6: then down towards the ranges of the south coast. Twenty
Speaker 6: four hour totals here could exceed one hundred to one
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty millimeters.
Speaker 1: Now again, lots of people watching us on Sky News
Speaker 1: Regional to the south of Sydney. When you have a
Speaker 1: look at areas like Bateman's Bay that we did in
Speaker 1: our town show just a couple of months at remember
Speaker 1: part of that story was five years ago. When it
Speaker 1: comes to fires, lots of little places in the rumor,
Speaker 1: you name it, All of those places Sussex in all
Speaker 1: of those places are going to be part of the
Speaker 1: ongoing front of the next few days. I've got to say,
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm in total admiration about how
Speaker 1: emergency services deal with things as they are happening, as
Speaker 1: well as try to get ahead of themselves. But the
Speaker 1: job of what has just happened a couple of days
Speaker 1: ago and is still happening in and around tai Well,
Speaker 1: that of course would be many, many weeks of work
Speaker 1: that needs to be done, let alone as that all
Speaker 1: starts to move around. I also want to say thank
Speaker 1: you to so many people who are so loyal to
Speaker 1: what we do here and who have been so kind
Speaker 1: to our reporters, our camera crews, and all of our
Speaker 1: producers in the newsroom. Because you trust us to tell
Speaker 1: your story, We've been able to tell stories in ways
Speaker 1: that others haven't who may just be rolling into town.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to the emergency services people who
Speaker 1: have helped our reporters and camera crews get from one
Speaker 1: side of a river to another. Thank you to people
Speaker 1: that have lent boats. And again, thank you to people
Speaker 1: who are telling their stories. You know that it's not
Speaker 1: just about these days, but it's about the recovery, and
Speaker 1: once the emergency part of this starts to move we're
Speaker 1: going to keep on the conversation as we did with
Speaker 1: Liz Moore, as we have when it came to the
Speaker 1: potential of what was going to happen with the tropical
Speaker 1: cyclone and extropical cyclone Alfred. Well, there's questions around things
Speaker 1: like insurance, all of that. We will talk about it
Speaker 1: on this show. If you've got concerns, if you've got issues,
Speaker 1: send me emails. Obviously we're not an emergency service, but
Speaker 1: if we can yell at someone on your behalf happy
Speaker 1: to do it. All right, Paul, It's gonews dot com
Speaker 1: dot au. The premiere of New South Wales is Chris Mins.
Speaker 1: Fresh from dealing with the natural disasters that he's had
Speaker 1: to deal with in his two years as being premier,
Speaker 1: he is saying this tonight.
Speaker 7: It's really incumbent upon you to listen to emergency services
Speaker 7: to make sure that you're making decisions in the best
Speaker 7: interest of your family and your community.
Speaker 1: All right. The Assistant Commissioner of the SEES in New
Speaker 1: South Wels is Colin Malone. Let's get back to talking
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 2: Colin.
Speaker 1: Where is the focus particularly tonight?
Speaker 8: Good evening, Paul, and good evening to all the viewers.
Speaker 8: The focus tonight continues from Kempsey all the way down
Speaker 8: and as you reported earlier, we're seeing the weather system
Speaker 8: move in through metropolitan Sydney and it'll move down the
Speaker 8: South coast overnight. O advice from the Bureau is it's
Speaker 8: going to move a bit quicker as it gets through
Speaker 8: the night, and what we will see down on the
Speaker 8: metropolitan Sydney and the South Coast, we won't see that
Speaker 8: lingering rain that hung around for a long time, so
Speaker 8: it should move through there within the twenty four hour period,
Speaker 8: hopefully not causing the same level of problems we had
Speaker 8: up on the mid North Coast. But as you mentioned,
Speaker 8: we're not out of the woods up in the Kempsey
Speaker 8: down to that Dungog area. We've still got quite a
Speaker 8: bit of water around. We've still got people out of
Speaker 8: their houses, so we're going to be with them for
Speaker 8: the long haul as we move into the recovery side
Speaker 8: of the activity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're deliberately putting the map up so people are
Speaker 1: able to obviously work out where they are, work out
Speaker 1: where family and friends are as well. So Colin, again,
Speaker 1: the messaging that you're getting from the Bureau of Meteorology
Speaker 1: is yet a lot of rain. There certainly was a
Speaker 1: lot of rain in and around Sydney today, a little
Speaker 1: bit more intensity as you say, starting to move south,
Speaker 1: but the expectation is not going to be like a
Speaker 1: month's worth of rain in one day. Heavy falls in
Speaker 1: lots of different places, or is the expectation that what
Speaker 1: dropped on Taree now moves down the coast or does
Speaker 1: it weaken as it moves down the coast.
Speaker 8: The advice where you have from the Bureau just before
Speaker 8: I come into this hookup was that it is not
Speaker 8: going to be like what we've had up in the
Speaker 8: Tari area. It will definitely have some heavy rain and
Speaker 8: it's going to be quite widespread. But as it gets
Speaker 8: to the weekend, we should see that going out to
Speaker 8: sea off the south coast, and that will allow us
Speaker 8: to continue to watch those rivers go down, because, as
Speaker 8: you mentioned, particularly in those areas are still well flooded,
Speaker 8: and all the viewers know that they're living in that
Speaker 8: area with the highway shut, it's going to take a
Speaker 8: few days for that to reced properly and for us
Speaker 8: to be able to properly get in there and do
Speaker 8: all the right assessments and help with get ready as
Speaker 8: we lead into that recovery effort. Now we're already providing
Speaker 8: all of our information we have to the other agencies
Speaker 8: and we'll work together.
Speaker 1: Now, Colin, believe me, every word you have to say
Speaker 1: way more important than anything I'm going to say for
Speaker 1: the next hour, So apologies for interrupting. Now we know
Speaker 1: that say in relation to the lis More floods of
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, was that one of the
Speaker 1: problems people start to talk about is once you're able
Speaker 1: to get home, or after the waters have receded that
Speaker 1: you thought were coming towards your house, these sorts of
Speaker 1: things that the power is not going to come back on. Now,
Speaker 1: there's lots of reasons for that, but also there's a
Speaker 1: need for electricians to almost check literally every plug in
Speaker 1: the house to make sure it's okay. Then you do
Speaker 1: that house to house, then you go straight to street,
Speaker 1: then we go suburb to suburb. In the Queensland scenario,
Speaker 1: they literally are the Energet's company. There was giving absolute
Speaker 1: details street by street and house by house. That's the
Speaker 1: way they do it in Queensland. Give us an idea
Speaker 1: for those that are on the fringe of it or
Speaker 1: it goes past how do they check the information about
Speaker 1: things like electricity and how and is part of what
Speaker 1: the SEES does to have a bunch of electricians as
Speaker 1: part of your movement who can help supplement some of
Speaker 1: that emergency checking.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so to some initial advice for your your viewers
Speaker 8: and listeners is on the SES website for those that
Speaker 8: can get onto the websites at the moment. We do
Speaker 8: have a range of guides of what to do before, during,
Speaker 8: and after flooding. So you're talking one hundred percent about
Speaker 8: what to do after flooding, and there's some checklists and
Speaker 8: guides on things that residents can do themselves. As far
Speaker 8: as we will work hand in glove with the reconstruction
Speaker 8: authority and they will lead the reconstructions effort, but we
Speaker 8: don't stop getting involved the moment that that starts happening.
Speaker 8: It's a partnership by all the government agencies, so our
Speaker 8: members and the emergency responders will still be there, working
Speaker 8: hand in glove to do our best to get people
Speaker 8: back into their homes as quick as possible. You're right,
Speaker 8: utilities are a critical thing. The last thing we want
Speaker 8: is someone going in and just switching the power on
Speaker 8: and then because everything's wet, they end up getting electrocuted.
Speaker 8: There's also gas and the restarting of gas mains and
Speaker 8: the restarting of gas pilot lights and all of those
Speaker 8: sort of things really need to be done in.
Speaker 2: A control way.
Speaker 8: So for a lot of those areas.
Speaker 2: We're a little while off that.
Speaker 8: And when I say a little while, we're a few
Speaker 8: days until the water is properly receded and all clears
Speaker 8: are given. Right now, at this point in time, there's
Speaker 8: still forty humanity warnings in place for different communities that
Speaker 8: are under evacuation guidance, and we need them to not
Speaker 8: be rushing back to their places until the proper clearance
Speaker 8: is given to go back in. And that's for their safety.
Speaker 8: I know they want to get home, they want to
Speaker 8: make sure their property is okay, and they want to
Speaker 8: check on things, but we want to do it in
Speaker 8: a way that doesn't result in them feeling they need
Speaker 8: to get to their home and perhaps driving through some
Speaker 8: floodwater to get there and then causing another flood rescue.
Speaker 8: So we want people to be safe. That's at the
Speaker 8: heart of our mission.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the thing where look, I get it.
Speaker 1: Everyone's tired. You want to get back to working out
Speaker 1: how to start to pivot towards normal. But again remember,
Speaker 1: particularly with the SEES, volunteers are there to help, the
Speaker 1: organization is there to help, and to understand they are
Speaker 1: moving as fast as humanly possible, and again, in a
Speaker 1: scenario that has already taken life, let's make sure that
Speaker 1: those numbers are as low as possible. All right, I
Speaker 1: know you've got plenty of other commitments to be across,
Speaker 1: but really, thank you so much, Colin, and thank you
Speaker 1: to our team who've just turned this around here too,
Speaker 1: which is part of the stuff you can see on
Speaker 1: the SEES website right now SEES dot NSW, dot gov
Speaker 1: dot Au. Also, again, if you're somebody just watching from
Speaker 1: a little further away, you're not involved in the emergency
Speaker 1: part of all of this, then again I'll point you
Speaker 1: in the direction of things like hazard watch dot gov
Speaker 1: dot au where you can look from afar, study the maps,
Speaker 1: all the rest of it. And if that takes a
Speaker 1: little pressure off a website, good and fine and fair enough.
Speaker 1: One final time, one three two five hundred one three
Speaker 1: two five hundred Colin, Thank you mate, Thank you to
Speaker 1: all of the volunteers and the professional staff of course
Speaker 1: at the SEES and the wider emergency movement. We really
Speaker 1: appreciate what you're doing, mate.
Speaker 8: Thank you, Paul and all your viewers. Have an amazing
Speaker 8: night and stay safe.
Speaker 1: Good man. Thank you so much. There is really appreciate it, Colin,
Speaker 1: because you know these moments and I get it right.
Speaker 1: When you're on the fringe of things, you go hang on.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm on the fringe of things. There's a
Speaker 1: reason why you can't go back just yet. Expectation is
Speaker 1: if you try to set yourself up for a marathon,
Speaker 1: and nobody knows how long that marathon's going to be.
Speaker 1: But if you set the expectation of a multi day marathon,
Speaker 1: then it does take not some of the stress, but
Speaker 1: it does help with your way of navigating, say the
Speaker 1: expectations of the kids, or some of the heightened emotions.
Speaker 1: But again, to any and everyone who is helping, Thank
Speaker 1: you to any and everyone who is suffering. Strength and
Speaker 1: love from all of us here at sky News and
Speaker 1: obviously myself in particular. If there's any more news, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you about it the second you need to know.
Speaker 1: Make sure your homepage skynews dot com dot A. All right, politics,
Speaker 1: Well that was quick. A couple of day breakup, thankfully
Speaker 1: the trial separation. Mom and dad decided nap, probably let's
Speaker 1: find a way to get back together. Good, excellent, fantastic.
Speaker 1: A little later, we're gonna have a chat to Kevin Hogan,
Speaker 1: who's the deput leader of the Nationals. And I've got
Speaker 1: to say what I've enjoyed about talking to say David
Speaker 1: Little proud of the leader or the former leader, and
Speaker 1: Michael McCormick all looking forward to with Kevin straight shooters.
Speaker 1: Great thing about talking to a National Party person. This
Speaker 1: is all about four things, four things that I think
Speaker 1: are pretty obviously going to be beyond sticking points now
Speaker 1: and they will be sorted out. It means that everyone's
Speaker 1: holding off and there's no need to rush to name
Speaker 1: shadow ministries. Parliament's not back until towards the back end
Speaker 1: of July, so there is some time to go through it.
Speaker 1: But thankfully what seemed just a couple of days ago
Speaker 1: as the course apart is now starting to chart back together.
Speaker 1: Good to see. But yet again, and you note this
Speaker 1: right because we talked to National Party MPs on the
Speaker 1: telly all the time. We talk to One Nation people
Speaker 1: on the telly all the time, to most of the
Speaker 1: people who work professionally in the press gallery in Cameron
Speaker 1: and there are obviously some wonderful exceptions, including my colleagues
Speaker 1: here at skyte News, but you know these are people
Speaker 1: who Radio National act bubble kind of people, and they
Speaker 1: don't get the Nats, and they certainly don't understand some
Speaker 1: of the things that have been behind the events of
Speaker 1: the past few days. And I just wanted to show you,
Speaker 1: just like we did during the federal election campaign, how
Speaker 1: the media interact with people like David Little Proud. Now
Speaker 1: there's also a strange little phenomena, and I again like
Speaker 1: to tell you how the sausage is made. Sometimes not pretty,
Speaker 1: but it's good to know. Is that, as you know,
Speaker 1: the press gallery in Camp the physical part of the building.
Speaker 1: It's part of Parliament House. It's not too far from
Speaker 1: where the Senate is. It's a couple of levels up.
Speaker 1: That's where all the TV studios and all the radio
Speaker 1: studios are now generally speaking, Say, if David Little Proud
Speaker 1: is doing an interview with Laura Jays in the morning
Speaker 1: here at Sky News, he obviously physically goes into that building,
Speaker 1: walks out, goes back to his office. But for some reason,
Speaker 1: this thing has built up over the past many years
Speaker 1: that rather than just listening to what happened in the
Speaker 1: interview that was planned, they all basically ambush the person
Speaker 1: as soon as they walk out of another organization's studio,
Speaker 1: which is why you often see nonsense like this like
Speaker 1: we saw today in the corridors of the press gallery.
Speaker 2: Do you need firm commitments do.
Speaker 1: This in the first place, rather than rush and give
Speaker 1: it time?
Speaker 2: How you prepared to wait though? How much I'm to
Speaker 2: the Liberals Nation dotate to that process?
Speaker 6: Is it too early to say we're going to keep
Speaker 6: we're not going to get back together?
Speaker 2: It gets to know, yes, yes, yes we can, because
Speaker 2: I can trust Susan.
Speaker 1: The thing is, all of those questions had been asked
Speaker 1: in the interview that inevitably he had done with the
Speaker 1: ABC or Channel seven or anything else. But we live
Speaker 1: in this very weird media culture where rather than just
Speaker 1: going okay, they're doing an interview on ABC Radio, they
Speaker 1: ask all the questions. Is it because they don't want
Speaker 1: to show anything of a logo that's not their own?
Speaker 1: We have to do the same thing over and over
Speaker 1: and over again, and it makes it all look way
Speaker 1: more chaotic. And then there are people who of course
Speaker 1: make it all about themselves.
Speaker 9: What exactly take a question?
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of blokes that have been asking.
Speaker 1: Questions, what does that have to do with anything like.
Speaker 1: Literally it is every media organization in the country all
Speaker 1: yelling at once. Oh but the gender parts all part
Speaker 1: of it. Yes, the special angle over there on Channel
Speaker 1: two fedding anyway, like it's always about them, always about them.
Speaker 1: And because I pointed out, oh well, I cop it
Speaker 1: in the neck. Don't care. All right, Let's talk now
Speaker 1: about how people are standing up for their communities. Like
Speaker 1: the new Queensland premiere David cruci Foley had is fed
Speaker 1: under the desk for a few months, has already put
Speaker 1: in the adult crime adult time jail laws, particularly for
Speaker 1: youth offending or obviously about youth offending. They've now done
Speaker 1: a couple of amendments without adding more offenses, where somebody
Speaker 1: that's found guilty of something like a sexual assault will
Speaker 1: end up serving adult time rather than just basically the
Speaker 1: version of criminal TAFE, which has been the criminal justice
Speaker 1: system for young offenders certainly all over the country, but
Speaker 1: specifically in Queensland under that Labor rule for some period
Speaker 1: of time. Well, the United Nations does not like this policy,
Speaker 1: is SBS telling us two.
Speaker 10: Human rights experts calling the laws incompatible with basic child rights,
Speaker 10: saying it would have an especially negative impact on the
Speaker 10: lives of Indigenous children who are already disproportionately represented in
Speaker 10: the criminal legal system.
Speaker 1: Well, David Crucifoli when asked about it today, when you
Speaker 1: know what, thank you so much, wind back, bang over
Speaker 1: the fence for six.
Speaker 4: Here's my message to the United Nations. You don't control me,
Speaker 4: and I don't answer to you. I answer to Queenslanders,
Speaker 4: answer to a whole heap of those people back there
Speaker 4: who've had their lives turned apart.
Speaker 1: Good on him. Reminds me of the Chief Minister of
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Leo Fanukiaro. Remember when she was talking
Speaker 1: about all those protesters to bug off back to Melbourne.
Speaker 1: These are people who are trying to do something for
Speaker 1: their communities. Because the consequences of youth crime are deeply,
Speaker 1: deeply significant. People die in these scenarios. And as I
Speaker 1: told you before, you know, in the entire youth justice system,
Speaker 1: about forty thousand people are interacted with police, only about
Speaker 1: twenty thousand end up going to court and less than
Speaker 1: a thousand end up going to jail. So laws are
Speaker 1: needed to be changed to change the choices that are
Speaker 1: so often the wrong ones. When it comes to the
Speaker 1: judges dealing with this stuff in places like Queensland. Now,
Speaker 1: one last thing about the Victorian budget. But relax, it's
Speaker 1: not what you think. Obviously, this is not in an
Speaker 1: endorsement in any way, shape or form of people who
Speaker 1: speed or drink driving or drug driving or any other
Speaker 1: rest of it. But of course thousands of people get
Speaker 1: pulled over each and every year. Thousands people have to
Speaker 1: pay a fine each and every year. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: understand how anyone can predict how many peopeople are going
Speaker 1: to break the law next year, but apparently that is
Speaker 1: the case because when you have a look at the
Speaker 1: Victorian budget put together, of course insitue with the Premier
Speaker 1: and the Treasurer. You're able to go and if you
Speaker 1: look deep enough you can find some answers like this.
Speaker 1: This is from budget pay per number five. I don't
Speaker 1: know magically how this year they're going to get eight
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty seven million dollars worth of fines. That
Speaker 1: will go up next year, They will go up the
Speaker 1: year after that, and they'll be getting a billion dollars
Speaker 1: worth of fines in just a couple of years time.
Speaker 1: Now the population will not be growing by those huge amounts,
Speaker 1: but for some reason, they know exactly how many people
Speaker 1: are going to break the law. And thank goodness for
Speaker 1: the way they account for this in the Victorian budget,
Speaker 1: because have a look at this, they actually predict how
Speaker 1: much money they will make out of safety camera fines
Speaker 1: on the spot finds or toll evasion fines. Nowical, magically,
Speaker 1: the last budget, which was three hundred and twenty nine
Speaker 1: million dollars for fixed speed cameras, will now become half
Speaker 1: a billion, and that half a billion will eventually become
Speaker 1: three quarters of a billion dollars in just three years time.
Speaker 1: On the spot finds basically stable, but still about one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million each and every year. How do
Speaker 1: they know how many people are going to break the law?
Speaker 1: Why will there be some outbreak of speeding in the
Speaker 1: next little while? God forbid if you suggested that any
Speaker 1: of that meant that there was a quota. Now all
Speaker 1: of this revenue is revenue that means people broke the law.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was entrapped into this stuff. People broke the law.
Speaker 1: But how can you predict how many will break it
Speaker 1: next year? And how do you assume more of the year.
Speaker 1: How do you not assume that the safety measures you
Speaker 1: put in place this year, will bring it down next
Speaker 1: year again, revenue raising or safety. You be the judge.
Speaker 1: All right, Back to the situation involving the Nationals. Their
Speaker 1: deputy leader is Kevin Hogan. Had the opportunity to have
Speaker 1: a chat with him a little bit earlier tonight about
Speaker 1: the situation that has been unfolding in and around all
Speaker 1: of this, and I put simply asked him that it
Speaker 1: looks like the couple might be getting back together. The door,
Speaker 1: ever so slightly has been reopened.
Speaker 11: Well, it is a good thing, Paul, and I'm very
Speaker 11: helpful there. It's a sort of a silver lining that
Speaker 11: might you know, array of sunshine, which may mean something
Speaker 11: might happen. So what's happened, obviously is today is Susan
Speaker 11: Lee has written to David little Proud and said could
Speaker 11: you pause the transition because obviously we had meetings today
Speaker 11: with people that we wanted to be spokespeople for us
Speaker 11: as a stand alone party. But she said, can you pause.
Speaker 11: I'm pausing my shadow cabinet appointments because I want to
Speaker 11: take to my party room, as in the Liberal party room,
Speaker 11: the four policies that you want a commitment to. So
Speaker 11: that's great because obviously this time last week, last Friday,
Speaker 11: reminding everyone Paul that we went to Susan and said,
Speaker 11: we've just had a party room meeting. What you've proposed
Speaker 11: by wiping those policies means we will be out of
Speaker 11: the coalition if we don't get more movement on those
Speaker 11: four policies. So that was what our party room decided
Speaker 11: last Friday, and then obviously things happened between then and
Speaker 11: Friday and then Tuesday when they couldn't move. So the
Speaker 11: fact she's taking this to the party room hopefully as
Speaker 11: a pot of positive signal, that would I guess the
Speaker 11: movement on those four policies.
Speaker 1: So if it is those four policies now again we
Speaker 1: heard and again whether it's people seeing those smoke signals
Speaker 1: that of course come through the world of Canberra via
Speaker 1: the people who report on it, which was, oh hang on, no,
Speaker 1: you're outside of those four ned zero, outside of those
Speaker 1: four shadow cabinet solidarity. But put simply as a person
Speaker 1: in the driver's seat in the negotiations with David and
Speaker 1: Bridget as well on the behalf of the National Party,
Speaker 1: there are only four items on the agenda. There's no
Speaker 1: secret fifth or sixth or seventh about free wheeling from
Speaker 1: a national MP if they become a shadow minister.
Speaker 10: Paul.
Speaker 11: There were four non negotiables. I mean, and usually these
Speaker 11: things are done in confidence and you do them privately
Speaker 11: with the person negotiating with, not on television for the
Speaker 11: whole of Australia. But there are a lot of things
Speaker 11: in the document, you know, I've heard stories about. It
Speaker 11: was about just in an image of a price as well.
Speaker 11: There were only four non negotiables. Everything else that was
Speaker 11: up for discussion. Some of them were just up to see,
Speaker 11: you know, where do you feel about this? What do
Speaker 11: you feel about this?
Speaker 1: One?
Speaker 11: Auak with this just discussion points. But the four non
Speaker 11: negotiables were those four policy positions and why were they
Speaker 11: non negotiable?
Speaker 1: Paul?
Speaker 11: Is there really important for us as nationals, as regional MPs.
Speaker 11: I don't want to pre prosecute them, but just say
Speaker 11: take one of them. The Regional Australia Future files, the
Speaker 11: Region Australia Future Farm took us five or six years
Speaker 11: been working on that. The vestige is important for us.
Speaker 11: We have farmers who we think get screwed over by
Speaker 11: the big supermarkets. We've been trying for years to get
Speaker 11: those policies through. We got them through, so we got
Speaker 11: them through the coalition party process in the last parliament.
Speaker 11: We don't want to lose them. If we lose them,
Speaker 11: we may never see them again. Really important for our
Speaker 11: communities and we wanted them as part of the deal.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like those four things are that hard
Speaker 1: to work out, and certainly when you were talking about
Speaker 1: something as fundamental as the team together going forward, right
Speaker 1: because again that big question that again people talk about
Speaker 1: that people say on the side net zero nuclear right now,
Speaker 1: there's a way to negotiate a midway point on nuclear,
Speaker 1: which is to say, well, we all agree we should
Speaker 1: get rid of the moratorium. Right that may be where
Speaker 1: things land, but in terms of the climate change stuff,
Speaker 1: because again there'll be people watching us in regional Australia
Speaker 1: right now who thought this week halleluj. Yeah, finally somebody
Speaker 1: that's it. They're going to take the hard line of
Speaker 1: sort of pre twenty twenty on this. But that's not
Speaker 1: one of the four We need to We need everyone
Speaker 1: to know that's not one of the four sticking points,
Speaker 1: is it? No, it's not.
Speaker 11: I mean, and the only thing related to that, if
Speaker 11: you like was the nuclear So when we drank the
Speaker 11: net zero twenty fifty kool aid, if you like, we straightaway,
Speaker 11: as Nat said, well we've got to start.
Speaker 1: Talking about nuclear.
Speaker 11: You can't get to where you want to go without
Speaker 11: that story. And of course the renewal was that there
Speaker 11: you know, we won't really prosecute the reckless renewable policy
Speaker 11: of labor and all the transmission lines and all the
Speaker 11: things happened in Regional Australia. But we said, well you've
Speaker 11: got to talk about nuclear. So all we wanted the
Speaker 11: commitment from with you know, within this agreement was at.
Speaker 1: Least agree to lift the moratorium.
Speaker 11: We have to talk about where they go and who's
Speaker 11: funding it and at least be agnostic technologically. But you've
Speaker 11: got to lift the moratoriy on that. So that was
Speaker 11: the only ask in relation to that issue. But Paul,
Speaker 11: you know, this was you know, again as a regional MP,
Speaker 11: to go back to the regions rade future fun. This
Speaker 11: is about better childcare facilities, better health facilities, better infrastructure.
Speaker 11: You know, we worked to have we're going to fund
Speaker 11: it within the budget. You know, I couldn't look like
Speaker 11: community and I and say oh look we signed a
Speaker 11: coalition agreement. They wouldn't sign up to it, So that's
Speaker 11: gone for the and may never come back. I good
Speaker 11: conscience couldn't do that. The twenty MP's in the room
Speaker 11: couldn't do that. I believe maybe they didn't realize that
Speaker 11: we were serious. I think maybe they thought we're going
Speaker 11: to blink. It was a negotiation tactic last Friday. It
Speaker 11: wasn't negotiation. It wasn't a tactic. We were all prepared
Speaker 11: to take pay cuts, We were all prepared to lose
Speaker 11: resources because of the principle that those for policies are
Speaker 11: really important to us.
Speaker 1: And again, I mean, it's a budgetary commitment, but the
Speaker 1: reality of three years and returning that again, to me,
Speaker 1: it feels like these are all quite quite solvable problems,
Speaker 1: and it seems like we are beginning a process of
Speaker 1: being on the way to it. But also, you know,
Speaker 1: I love listening to the lefty media tourney. Wow, this
Speaker 1: future fun is just a slush fun for the National Party.
Speaker 1: Do this, that and the other. Now, hang on, here's
Speaker 1: the deal, Like, look at what happens in a place
Speaker 1: like Victoria, where regional Victoria, you know, you drive on
Speaker 1: the roads you know, in and around Swan Hill, and
Speaker 1: there are more potholes than there are bits of bitumen
Speaker 1: to actually drive on at times. Right, that's because all
Speaker 1: the decisions are made centrally in Melbourne. The assumption is
Speaker 1: the further away from Melbourne, the less life likely it
Speaker 1: is to have a labor MP, therefore no need to
Speaker 1: take care of them. The reason that fund is so
Speaker 1: important is because the distances where National Party MPs are
Speaker 1: to the major cities where the state governments are means
Speaker 1: that there's basically at times a much closer relationship between
Speaker 1: the expectations of federal politics and local politics. And we
Speaker 1: know that local councils are particularly grossly underfunded, which means yes,
Speaker 1: you should have a line in the sand about a
Speaker 1: certain amount of money to make sure that the things
Speaker 1: that city people take for granted are the starting point
Speaker 1: of a coalition government. I'm fully in support of that.
Speaker 11: And Paul, I'll also remind all your listeners too how
Speaker 11: it was going to be funded. It was going to
Speaker 11: be funded by a boost in terms of trader when
Speaker 11: terms of trade were better than budgeted. Now we sell
Speaker 11: four things that make up four hundred billion dollars worth
Speaker 11: of the six hundred and fifty billion dollars we sell
Speaker 11: overseas every year and those four things are coal, gas, iron,
Speaker 11: ore and food agg Now those four things are four
Speaker 11: hundred billion bucks of six hundred and fifty b and
Speaker 11: we sell overseas every year. Guess where those four things
Speaker 11: all come from. Regional Australia. Regional Australia is funding our lifestyle.
Speaker 11: The royalties, the wages, the company tax paid by those
Speaker 11: big companies that do those four things are literally funding
Speaker 11: our way of life. And that was out of when
Speaker 11: I said when terms of trade were better than budgeted,
Speaker 11: that's how we were going to build the fund dividend
Speaker 11: every year, all budgeted for. And when you're literally creating
Speaker 11: the wealth of the country, you deserve some of the
Speaker 11: some of the throws from it in good facilities, good infrastructure.
Speaker 1: Bloody earth. It has been a bumpy week, but thankfully
Speaker 1: some sanity towards the end of it, and certainly it
Speaker 1: is good for the center right of Australian politics. I
Speaker 1: do love talking and that's on the TV Straight Shooters.
Speaker 1: It's great, just as our next guests will be as well,
Speaker 1: none other than Michael Kroger James Ashby. As straight as
Speaker 1: they get when it comes to firing up. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that in a moment or two. Is time here
Speaker 1: on Paul Murray Lite. Nice to hang out with mates
Speaker 1: on a Thursday night. And here are two of our
Speaker 1: favorites amongst the Paul Murray Lfe family, none of them
Speaker 1: the wonderful James Ashby, who is not at home very
Speaker 1: close to an office the studio this evening. Where are you,
Speaker 1: my friend, great jacket by the.
Speaker 2: Way, Perth. Oh yeah, thanks mate, Perth.
Speaker 12: I was very lucky to be able to see the
Speaker 12: swearing in of our two new MLC's here in Western Australia,
Speaker 12: so Phil Scott and Rod Caddy's. You can see them
Speaker 12: as welcomed editions to your shope. Paul, if you want
Speaker 12: to MLC's for one nation in wa.
Speaker 1: Happy to help. Well. Straight after you've done this little hit,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. There's a Jordan not too far
Speaker 1: from Murray Street. Some of the best dumplings I've ever had.
Speaker 1: I've seen you that in a second. A man who's
Speaker 1: going what is all of this rubbish? Is none other than,
Speaker 1: of course ful Kroger, who's doing it from home tonight.
Speaker 1: You know, little too cold outside, Bugger but he's still
Speaker 1: dressed up. He might have the pjs on downstairs, but
Speaker 1: he's looking business up stair. It's nice to see you mate,
Speaker 1: all right, So Michael, how do you feel at the
Speaker 1: end that thankfully, look a couple of days egg on
Speaker 1: some people's faces, red faces. But who cares if by
Speaker 1: Monday we're back where we were last Monday. That's a
Speaker 1: good thing, right when it comes to the coalition.
Speaker 9: Yeah, obviously, Paul, there's some.
Speaker 3: Bruising that takes place when this type of you know,
Speaker 3: frakka takes place, So things will take quite a while.
Speaker 9: We'll settle around.
Speaker 3: To be honest, there's been a lot of meter interviews,
Speaker 3: a lot of backgrounding, a lot of unhappiness on both sides.
Speaker 3: So you know the truth is that will take that'll
Speaker 3: take some months to repair. But look, thank goodness, they're
Speaker 3: going to get back together. The four policy issues were
Speaker 3: never the issue, but Susan Lee sort of made it
Speaker 3: clear that you had to take those things to the
Speaker 3: party room. And the big sticking point is we now
Speaker 3: know was David Little Proud's view that you know, the
Speaker 3: Nationals wanted the right to or he wanted the right
Speaker 3: to be able to have National Party MPs, you know,
Speaker 3: resist shout cabinet and the post shadow cabinet if they
Speaker 3: didn't feel inclined to follow what they decided. Now certainly
Speaker 3: quite properly said no. Anyway, that's all in the past.
Speaker 3: It looks as if they're.
Speaker 9: Going to get back together.
Speaker 3: And thank goodness, I mean, otherwise, mate, it would have
Speaker 3: it would have been like Noah's Ark. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: two shadow treasurers, two foreign shadows, both people blah blah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it would have been a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 3: You know, three cornered contests in every seat, no joint
Speaker 3: Senate tickets, no joint policies, no joint releases. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's untenable, all right.
Speaker 9: And as John Howard and.
Speaker 3: Tony Abott correctly said, the Liberals and the Nationals work
Speaker 3: best together when they're in coalition federally, and that's the
Speaker 3: way it should be. And thank goodness, sense is going
Speaker 3: to provail made James.
Speaker 1: If nothing else. It means perhaps in three years time
Speaker 1: they're back on the same ticket and a little bit
Speaker 1: of that quota. If they don't get it, it may
Speaker 1: well go back in the direction of one nation, which
Speaker 1: does seem to be what's happening in terms of preferences,
Speaker 1: but more practically this week, what have you thought of
Speaker 1: watching on as people who just a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: wanted to be a government couldn't work out of how
Speaker 1: they would be in opposition.
Speaker 12: Look, if they're only getting back together again for the
Speaker 12: kid's sake, it's probably the wrong approach and they're going
Speaker 12: to have some issues moving forward because you know, Mum.
Speaker 2: And Dad have still got their differences.
Speaker 12: And we're talking about the National Party here rightfully putting
Speaker 12: their foot down and saying we want and demand more
Speaker 12: respect as a party. We've seen for too long the
Speaker 12: National Party just treated as the accessory to the Liberal Party,
Speaker 12: the Robin to Batman or you know, the shadow in
Speaker 12: the dark. And this is the problem for the Nats.
Speaker 12: They're try and they're trying to say to the Liberal
Speaker 12: Party stop taking us for granted. But there are deep
Speaker 12: seated problems within both camps and I don't think the
Speaker 12: trust is going to be returned easily here. I've spoken
Speaker 12: to Liberal Party members just as soon as the election
Speaker 12: finished who had great concerns over the fact that Barnaby
Speaker 12: Joyce says things every time he opens his mouth he
Speaker 12: loses US Liberals, and Matt Canavan loses US folks every
Speaker 12: time he opens our mouths. You're hardly going to fix
Speaker 12: that problem by sort of having this little bit of
Speaker 12: a row and then kissing and making up within a
Speaker 12: week's time. So there are some real problems. And I've
Speaker 12: heard liberals say our greatest defeat or our greatest achievement
Speaker 12: was actually getting rid of the Nationals in South Australia,
Speaker 12: and I just think to myself, that's not the coalition
Speaker 12: partner i'd want if they're still getting around making those
Speaker 12: sorts of statements. So they've got to fix this once
Speaker 12: and for all, otherwise it will be a breakup again
Speaker 12: in the future and there'll be leadership spills, there'll be
Speaker 12: blood to pay or blood spilled off the back of this.
Speaker 12: So it does need fixing, I agree, But they are
Speaker 12: stronger as a coalition.
Speaker 1: But also there's just just as a little thing about
Speaker 1: center right of Australian politics, right, and you know, let's
Speaker 1: you know, I certainly didn't go to union political science
Speaker 1: and all the rest of it, but basically right, we
Speaker 1: obviously know team red, team blue, We obviously know the
Speaker 1: concept of left and right, but Also there's sort of
Speaker 1: subgroupings underneath all of that, right, So you could be like,
Speaker 1: like in the Labor Party, literally there's the socialists that
Speaker 1: are there, there's all these subgroupings that are there, and
Speaker 1: in the same when it comes to center right, you
Speaker 1: could have everything from you know, economic populists to libertarians
Speaker 1: to you know, you name it. Right, The thing is, Michael,
Speaker 1: the Labor Party has all of these factions, but they
Speaker 1: also live under one dome, and no one publicly is
Speaker 1: throwing each under under the bus or is free wheeling
Speaker 1: about what they think the collective should be doing. Is
Speaker 1: a fundamental design error of the center right that the
Speaker 1: tent might be broad, but everyone's allowed to walk in
Speaker 1: and out of it and say whatever they want.
Speaker 9: Except Fred Husick.
Speaker 1: Correct. Very good points, very good point, And I'm not
Speaker 1: suggesting hard caucus rules, And I'm just saying, like, if
Speaker 1: people think that the left of Australian politics is not
Speaker 1: as fractured as the right is, they need to understand
Speaker 1: that there are those fractions. They're just a lot more
Speaker 1: obvious to the right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, it's a great question actually, and it goes to
Speaker 3: a lot of how modern politics works. In Australia today.
Speaker 3: The Labor Party factions have been there forever. They manage
Speaker 3: those factions incredibly well.
Speaker 9: There is extraordinary.
Speaker 3: Discipline amongst the factions. If you cross the factions, that
Speaker 3: has enormous consequences both for your tenure within the Paratry
Speaker 3: Party and just as importantly, mate, when you leave parliament.
Speaker 3: If you've crossed the factions, if you crossed the Palacary
Speaker 3: Party and you leave Parliament, then there are no jobs
Speaker 3: for you. You're an outcast. Whereas whereas, whereas on our
Speaker 3: side it's much more free wielling. We allow people across
Speaker 3: the floor, we allow them to speak out. It's a
Speaker 3: much more free wheeling approach. We have to politics, which
Speaker 3: has its advantages but also has a tremendous, tremendous number
Speaker 3: of disadvantages too, because then you look ill disciplined. Whereas
Speaker 3: the Labor Party got rid of two ministers pretty brutally.
Speaker 9: It was in the media for a while.
Speaker 3: One of them spoke out, one of them didn't, Which
Speaker 3: means that when Husick leaves Parliament he's not going to
Speaker 3: be too popular amongst the rank.
Speaker 9: But when Dravis leaves parliament.
Speaker 3: He will be looked after with a high report something,
Speaker 3: so you know that describes the difference between the party.
Speaker 3: They have much more rigid discipline, and it's because they're
Speaker 3: far more brutal than we are internally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the thing where look, you know
Speaker 1: that the openness and the freedom of the design, but
Speaker 1: modern politics rewards message discipline. It rewards you know, essentially
Speaker 1: kind of the head of the tree saying which way
Speaker 1: things are going to go. It's fascinating to watch, all right, James.
Speaker 1: The parliamentary calendar has come out, and I know that
Speaker 1: just like you know, a mechanic in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: you're waiting for the you know, the Samantha Fox calendar
Speaker 1: to come out, and you want all the easy to
Speaker 1: see one, you know, with the monkey dressed up as
Speaker 1: the mechanic. You want the parliamentary calendar. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: know whether they send you, you know, sort of like
Speaker 1: a centerfold of albow leaning leaning over the leading over
Speaker 1: sea one, the old Street and strip ones. Anyway, Okay, great,
Speaker 1: we just had an election. But you can almost count
Speaker 1: on a couple of hands how many days Parliament will
Speaker 1: sit this year.
Speaker 12: It were normally prior to this government coming to rule,
Speaker 12: there was about eighteen weeks of parliament. Well the last
Speaker 12: three years that was reduced down to fifteen weeks, and
Speaker 12: now we're seeing it reduced even further.
Speaker 2: And yes, you're right. The calendar only came out today.
Speaker 12: I was texted a copy from the Prime Minister's office
Speaker 12: and I looked at it and I thought, we're not
Speaker 12: back for weeks. We're not backed until the twenty second
Speaker 12: of July, which is what six odd weeks away.
Speaker 2: But don't worry.
Speaker 12: I have no doubt that the Labor Party are working
Speaker 12: away behind the scenes trying to set up all that
Speaker 12: tough legislation that they probably want to get through in
Speaker 12: the first six months so that people forget about it
Speaker 12: in the last two two and a half years of
Speaker 12: the term. But yeah, it is a surprise. There's a
Speaker 12: big gap. And I heard the explanation is so that
Speaker 12: Albo can do some more overseas trips.
Speaker 1: Paul, Oh, what a surprise. You know, of course you
Speaker 1: see this is but again, but this is the stuff, right, yep,
Speaker 1: big win, big win, no questions, right, But what is
Speaker 1: the problem with the big win? A little bit of
Speaker 1: hubris starts to kick in, right, So they've taken the
Speaker 1: message Michael inside. You know the DNA of the Labor Party,
Speaker 1: all that stuff that we've been talking about here, that's
Speaker 1: all garbage. Cost of living. We nailed that, we you know,
Speaker 1: Airbus Olbow and nobody cared. You know, take your pick,
Speaker 1: take your pick, take your pick, but this stuff will
Speaker 1: come back to bite you on the barm.
Speaker 9: Yeh. Yeah, it's a long break actually, Paul.
Speaker 3: Now that I mentioned and now that James mentions that
Speaker 3: he might be doing some overseas trips, but I hope
Speaker 3: he's going to the White House.
Speaker 1: Yes, wouldn't that be nice? Well, of course, you know.
Speaker 2: Yes, addressing like all these other leaders.
Speaker 1: Imagine that. Yeah, but you sorta he did the South
Speaker 1: African president and I imagine it's like albout So while
Speaker 1: you're here, all right, I'm going to take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We will resume with that point straight after the break ken.
Speaker 1: You know, what are you thinking any time? Paul at skynishes
Speaker 1: dot com dot A you looking forward to Cairns this
Speaker 1: Sunday as we go around the country with our town
Speaker 1: thanks to our mates at having them, we'll get to
Speaker 1: a winner and loser of the week in a moment
Speaker 1: or two. Is time you can always check it out
Speaker 1: on the socials if you'd like to people with that honor.
Speaker 1: This evening will be James Ashby, of course from One Nation,
Speaker 1: and Michael Kroger of the Liberal Flock. I did cut
Speaker 1: you off. There was a little point you were going
Speaker 1: to make there, Michael. I will give you the moment
Speaker 1: to talk about it now with more overseas elbow.
Speaker 3: Well, I was just going to say, when he gets
Speaker 3: to the White House and he's sitting there, Trump might
Speaker 3: he goes on with the pleasantries. You know that his
Speaker 3: stick now is to have pleasantries for a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: You're a good blike I'm a good blake. We love
Speaker 3: each other, the countryes are great friends. And then he
Speaker 3: gets into what he really wants to talk about, which
Speaker 3: we saw yesterday with the porl South African president. You
Speaker 3: might say, well, you won the election. That's great. It
Speaker 3: seems like you don't particularly like America. You said you
Speaker 3: didn't want the Australian health system too like the American
Speaker 3: health system.
Speaker 9: Your people attacked.
Speaker 3: A Liberal National Party she want Liberal National Party front
Speaker 3: bencher for saying she wants to make Australia great again.
Speaker 3: You whispered that Dutton was too close to Trump. You know,
Speaker 3: you basically won your election partly by banging me, and
Speaker 3: I see your ambassador sitting here.
Speaker 9: Mister Radhi called me nuts.
Speaker 3: He said I was a threat to democracy, et cetera,
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. It could be an all the
Speaker 3: time of cracker of a meeting mate. I think it
Speaker 3: wouldn't bring it on. But the problem is, now you
Speaker 3: love a crypt of America, Paul So. I think he
Speaker 3: represents guy News in the oval offers when elbow's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give I'll give you the tip. I'm not
Speaker 1: entirely sure I will get the same boosting from this
Speaker 1: administration that I did from previous. Yes, but that said,
Speaker 1: you know, the problem is, as we know, will all
Speaker 1: love it. But then, of course the pole numbers will
Speaker 1: probably work in our boast favor after such addressing down alas,
Speaker 1: all right, now I want to talk about it again.
Speaker 1: All the people who put the effort into the election win.
Speaker 1: Now they want the payback. Transfer Workers' Union basically saying
Speaker 1: they could bring the whole joint to a standstill unless
Speaker 1: they get what they want from basically every company that
Speaker 1: they deal with. Of course, this would have been referred
Speaker 1: to as a conspiracy theory before the election, James. But
Speaker 1: when you've got that many people who owe you guess what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I get it.
Speaker 12: There's people struggling out there right across the entire country.
Speaker 12: And there's some people on pretty good wages too. You know,
Speaker 12: I've said this before. With a sixth highest earning country
Speaker 12: in the world, and the average medium salary if you
Speaker 12: can believe, it's one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars,
Speaker 12: but do some quick calculations, Paul, and you soon find
Speaker 12: pretty quickly it's harder and harder to live off it.
Speaker 12: In fact, you can't even borrow enough money on that
Speaker 12: salary with zero dependents, the average credit card limit of
Speaker 12: ten thousand dollars, you cannot borrow a satisfactory amount of
Speaker 12: money to buy in every city capital city across this country,
Speaker 12: all bar Darwin. And yet that's where seventy percent of
Speaker 12: this country live in capital cities. So if you're earning
Speaker 12: an average of one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars a
Speaker 12: year and you can't buy a house with that money,
Speaker 12: there's something wrong.
Speaker 2: And it all comes down to energy.
Speaker 12: So you know, it's all well and good for these
Speaker 12: unions to say that we've got a problem with wages,
Speaker 12: but if you look at the root cause of why
Speaker 12: things are going so poorly, it's because energy costs.
Speaker 2: In this country continue to go up.
Speaker 12: And rather than attack the business owner out there and
Speaker 12: say it's their fault and they've got to pay more
Speaker 12: to their workers, or bureaucrats want more from the taxpayer,
Speaker 12: we have to have a look at the underlying issue
Speaker 12: in this country.
Speaker 2: And until we do that, we are going to.
Speaker 12: Continue to see more and more people struggle, less people
Speaker 12: be able to buy houses, less investment in the country,
Speaker 12: and of course who hurts everyday Australians. They just become
Speaker 12: poorer because of this government and policies like net.
Speaker 2: Zero and signing up to the Paris Agreement.
Speaker 1: Now, Michael, I have no doubt that you are one
Speaker 1: of the greatest drivers in the history of Victoria. But
Speaker 1: as I mentioned in my editorial at the start of
Speaker 1: the show, it always amuses me that every state government
Speaker 1: around the country can somehow predict more people are going
Speaker 1: to break the law year on year, and specifically how
Speaker 1: many people are going to get caught by speed cameras.
Speaker 1: As I said, before Victorian Budget paper number five safety
Speaker 1: cameras this year it's going to be five hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty seven million dollars. In three years time, seven hundred
Speaker 1: and fourteen million dollars. Police on the spot fines will
Speaker 1: basically be one hundred and fifty for the whole time.
Speaker 1: But isn't it amazing how they can work out how
Speaker 1: many people are going to break the law over the
Speaker 1: next three years.
Speaker 9: Mate, mate, not really.
Speaker 3: I think they look at previous years or the last
Speaker 3: twenty years, and then they can do an actual era
Speaker 3: of calculation of what it's likely to be in the
Speaker 3: next year based on.
Speaker 1: Popularly hand a quota to the commissioner.
Speaker 3: I presume that's how they do it. But look, mate,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm glad you talk about the Victorian budget.
Speaker 3: We're an absolute basketcase down here in Victoria and we've
Speaker 3: we've got it's a disgrace, right, it's a disgrace. When
Speaker 3: Dennis Napthlin left office in twenty fourteen, the Liberal premier
Speaker 3: state debt was twenty billion. It's about to have breached
Speaker 3: two hundred billion, right. These people have bankrubbed with Victoria.
Speaker 3: There's been a cash deficit, right of one hundred and
Speaker 3: forty four billion from two sixteen to two twenty nine
Speaker 3: to thirty year period that NOE News gone on the
Speaker 3: four projected we've spent more than one hundred and forty
Speaker 3: four billion dollars more than we're earning. I mean, these
Speaker 3: people are just disgusting.
Speaker 1: And also it's ten billion dollars a year to service
Speaker 1: the interest on the debt, which makes it the third
Speaker 1: or very close to the third biggest expense of the
Speaker 1: Victorian government. I've got thirty seconds, say, Gang, give me
Speaker 1: winn or a loser if you can, and then we're
Speaker 1: out of here. Michael Loser of the week.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately it's our Liberal and National parties in Queensland.
Speaker 9: But next week they'll be the winners. And the winner
Speaker 9: of the week I think would have to be no.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to suggest Nigel ferraj after the.
Speaker 9: To move his way on immigration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, all right, James super fast for mem.
Speaker 2: But the biggest winner this week is Albow.
Speaker 12: He's allowed the Liberal and National Party to act as
Speaker 12: the distractors and he's got away with blue murder this week.
Speaker 1: My loser of the week Sarah Hanson Young. She tried,
Speaker 1: but just couldn't get there to be the leader of
Speaker 1: the Greens. Thank you guys. We'll see you again next week.
Speaker 1: Quick break back, we warre plenty more to say before
Speaker 1: we're done, and then the late debate is on scone. Hey,
Speaker 1: good news everyone. You know how it's been financially tough,
Speaker 1: especially if you're trying to pay off a house. Well,
Speaker 1: apparently that's not true. Q Opinion piece thought peace. As
Speaker 1: they like to say in the Channel Line papers from
Speaker 1: one of the economics people, the prevailing narrative about high
Speaker 1: interest rates being a major culprit in the cost of
Speaker 1: living crisis is no longer passing muster. If anything, the
Speaker 1: rhetoric is showing major cracks, suggesting that what borrow was
Speaker 1: perhaps are experiencing is phantom pain. It suggests that ninety
Speaker 1: percent of people didn't change how much they were paying
Speaker 1: back when it comes to their repayments. The final bit
Speaker 1: here there clearly is a cohort that is experiencing mortgage
Speaker 1: stress and pain. But the narrative that mortgage stress is
Speaker 1: crippling most borrowers needs to be amended given much of
Speaker 1: it seems to have been phantom pain. Oh thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Elizabeth I mean for those of us who
Speaker 1: had to go without a little bit for a mortgage.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, we apparently didn't seriously have a great weekend
Speaker 1: see and Cans. Go Tigers, Go Yankees, Go Nicks.