WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 22 May

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>you wait, Oh you wait. We're going to Cannsa this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I do it in the man caved or do

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<v Speaker 1>it in cans Something will happen. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for watching, Thank you Caleb, and thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 1>us tonight. There is a lot to get to, but

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<v Speaker 1>of course let's start off with a focus of what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening in and around the mid north coast of

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales. Thousands of people still nowhere near their homes.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge issues that are happening there in and around the floods. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>in and around some of the areas we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about last night. The water is starting to subside, excellent,

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<v Speaker 1>but the rain that's been pounding away is continuing to move.

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<v Speaker 1>This time it's starting to move a little bit to

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<v Speaker 1>south the next couple of days. Really again more communities

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<v Speaker 1>having to deal with things, let alone everyone who is

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with what they are right now. So as you

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<v Speaker 1>can see the areas that are affected, Coughs, Harbor, Kempsey,

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Seaview, Port Macquarie, tare little places like war Hope,

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<v Speaker 1>William Town, in and around Newcastle. To give you an

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<v Speaker 1>idea again Mount Seaview. This is a place where I

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<v Speaker 1>think I went on I did. I went on school

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<v Speaker 1>camps there any decades ago. That is six hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two millimeters that they have copped in the past

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<v Speaker 1>of the while beautiful Port Macquarie four hundred and sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>Carrey's Peak six hundred and fourteen, basically a month's worth

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<v Speaker 1>of rain in the best part of twenty four hours. Now, sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>we have had reports and confirmation not just to people missing,

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<v Speaker 1>but of people who have lost their lives. Here is

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<v Speaker 1>the latest on those.

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<v Speaker 2>So so far we.

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<v Speaker 3>Have recovered three bodies by emergency service as a result

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<v Speaker 3>of the plot operation, while the.

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<v Speaker 2>Search for a man missing in Nimbo the year is.

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<v Speaker 1>Continuing bloody, awful and sadly, given that some homes are

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<v Speaker 1>unavailable to be inspected, we hope that that number does

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<v Speaker 1>not increase. But until the water subsides everyone able to

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<v Speaker 1>go back, we're able to check that everyone's safe. Then

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<v Speaker 1>our fear is that these things get much much worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Strength and love, of course to all of the families

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<v Speaker 1>who are deeply disrupted. The expectation from the sees. So

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<v Speaker 1>when we were talking to them last night was get

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<v Speaker 1>ready for a few days in and around some of

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<v Speaker 1>the emergency accommodation. About five thousand and nine hundred evacuation

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<v Speaker 1>orders currently are all over different parts of the Mid

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<v Speaker 1>North Coast and in and around New South Wales. There

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<v Speaker 1>are ten six hundred people who are currently under the

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<v Speaker 1>emergency warnings. As for the key locations, and again it's

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<v Speaker 1>lots of places. If you're watching us on sky News Regional,

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<v Speaker 1>listening to us via the apps, places like Manning, Gloucester,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hastings and Maclay River, you've known that for the

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<v Speaker 1>past couple of days. Prepare to isolate. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>message that is coming from government officials about Tarre, Gloucester

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<v Speaker 1>and Wingham. Wingham, of course not too far from Tarre

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<v Speaker 1>evacuate now settlement Point again not too far from Port mcquarie,

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<v Speaker 1>kemc Smithtown and the Nambuca region, specifically in and around Maxville.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone who remembers a drive through there knows the post

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<v Speaker 1>office on Maxwell that you can see from the highway. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly the area that we are talking about. There's

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<v Speaker 1>more detail, much more specific at hazard watch dot gov

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<v Speaker 1>dot AU. That's a federal government site that also feeds

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<v Speaker 1>through to the state government information. If you need help,

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<v Speaker 1>please write the number down one three to five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>if you need the sees there's lots of people doing

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<v Speaker 1>lots of work everywhere, and please Triple zero is for

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<v Speaker 1>scenarios where someone's life is in danger. So if it's

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<v Speaker 1>about flooding and things to do with your house and

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<v Speaker 1>a need for a tarp or all of that, one three, two,

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred, if someone's life is in danger, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>only time to be calling triple O. Here are some

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<v Speaker 1>of the people that have been dealing with the worst

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<v Speaker 1>of weather of the past couple of days.

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<v Speaker 3>Spratt, but I feel sorry for everybody is.

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<v Speaker 4>The sheer amount of local rain has just inundated all

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<v Speaker 4>of the towns, all of our storm water, and there's

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<v Speaker 4>currently nowhere for that water to go.

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<v Speaker 5>Not interested in empty big promises of emergency declarations and

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<v Speaker 5>then nothing happens. So we need people on the ground.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's all the way through from obviously rescuing people

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<v Speaker 5>through to making sure that people have accommodation and then

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<v Speaker 5>food and clean water to drink.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is the case. Of course, it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>people in those evacuations centers, but trying to move from

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<v Speaker 1>those evacuations centers somewhere, but the roads cut in lots

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<v Speaker 1>of different ways and lots of different places, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>it is very difficult to be able to get somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to find a place to put your

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<v Speaker 1>head down, or more importantly the rest of the family, kids, grandkids,

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<v Speaker 1>Strength and love to everyone who's dealing with this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not just pictures on the TV. This, of course

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<v Speaker 1>real life and real matters of life and death, and

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<v Speaker 1>also huge amounts of trauma that are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>playing out over the next few days. That's why at

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<v Speaker 1>the start of the show, I'm trying to do the

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<v Speaker 1>breaking news information only stuff. We're getting too opinion, politics,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of the days other things in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of moments time. As for the actual path of

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<v Speaker 1>the weather here, the great thing about being at sky

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<v Speaker 1>News is that, of course we have sky News Weather

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four to seven, and you can see that on

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<v Speaker 1>Foxtell Flash, or you can see it many times on

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<v Speaker 1>sky News Regional. You can also get all the information

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<v Speaker 1>at sky news dot com dot au a team at

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<v Speaker 1>the Weather Channel. The latest for you is this.

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<v Speaker 6>Over the next six hours, we're still looking at the

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<v Speaker 6>potential for rainfall totals in this area between sixty and

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<v Speaker 6>one hundred millimeters after midnight. This is forecast to ease

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<v Speaker 6>pulling southwards on Friday, though the risk shifts towards parts

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<v Speaker 6>of the central Coast, the Blue Mountains, the Illawarra, and

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<v Speaker 6>then down towards the ranges of the south coast. Twenty

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<v Speaker 6>four hour totals here could exceed one hundred to one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and fifty millimeters.

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<v Speaker 1>Now again, lots of people watching us on Sky News

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<v Speaker 1>Regional to the south of Sydney. When you have a

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<v Speaker 1>look at areas like Bateman's Bay that we did in

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<v Speaker 1>our town show just a couple of months at remember

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<v Speaker 1>part of that story was five years ago. When it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to fires, lots of little places in the rumor,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it, All of those places Sussex in all

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<v Speaker 1>of those places are going to be part of the

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing front of the next few days. I've got to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't you know, I'm in total admiration about how

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<v Speaker 1>emergency services deal with things as they are happening, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as try to get ahead of themselves. But the

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<v Speaker 1>job of what has just happened a couple of days

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<v Speaker 1>ago and is still happening in and around tai Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that of course would be many, many weeks of work

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to be done, let alone as that all

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<v Speaker 1>starts to move around. I also want to say thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to so many people who are so loyal to

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<v Speaker 1>what we do here and who have been so kind

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<v Speaker 1>to our reporters, our camera crews, and all of our

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<v Speaker 1>producers in the newsroom. Because you trust us to tell

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<v Speaker 1>your story, We've been able to tell stories in ways

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<v Speaker 1>that others haven't who may just be rolling into town.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much to the emergency services people who

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<v Speaker 1>have helped our reporters and camera crews get from one

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<v Speaker 1>side of a river to another. Thank you to people

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<v Speaker 1>that have lent boats. And again, thank you to people

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<v Speaker 1>who are telling their stories. You know that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just about these days, but it's about the recovery, and

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<v Speaker 1>once the emergency part of this starts to move we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to keep on the conversation as we did with

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<v Speaker 1>Liz Moore, as we have when it came to the

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<v Speaker 1>potential of what was going to happen with the tropical

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<v Speaker 1>cyclone and extropical cyclone Alfred. Well, there's questions around things

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<v Speaker 1>like insurance, all of that. We will talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>on this show. If you've got concerns, if you've got issues,

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<v Speaker 1>send me emails. Obviously we're not an emergency service, but

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<v Speaker 1>if we can yell at someone on your behalf happy

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. All right, Paul, It's gonews dot com

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<v Speaker 1>dot au. The premiere of New South Wales is Chris Mins.

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<v Speaker 1>Fresh from dealing with the natural disasters that he's had

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with in his two years as being premier,

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<v Speaker 1>he is saying this tonight.

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<v Speaker 7>It's really incumbent upon you to listen to emergency services

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<v Speaker 7>to make sure that you're making decisions in the best

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<v Speaker 7>interest of your family and your community.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. The Assistant Commissioner of the SEES in New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wels is Colin Malone. Let's get back to talking

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<v Speaker 1>to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Colin.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is the focus particularly tonight?

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<v Speaker 8>Good evening, Paul, and good evening to all the viewers.

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<v Speaker 8>The focus tonight continues from Kempsey all the way down

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<v Speaker 8>and as you reported earlier, we're seeing the weather system

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<v Speaker 8>move in through metropolitan Sydney and it'll move down the

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<v Speaker 8>South coast overnight. O advice from the Bureau is it's

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<v Speaker 8>going to move a bit quicker as it gets through

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<v Speaker 8>the night, and what we will see down on the

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<v Speaker 8>metropolitan Sydney and the South Coast, we won't see that

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<v Speaker 8>lingering rain that hung around for a long time, so

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<v Speaker 8>it should move through there within the twenty four hour period,

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<v Speaker 8>hopefully not causing the same level of problems we had

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<v Speaker 8>up on the mid North Coast. But as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 8>we're not out of the woods up in the Kempsey

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<v Speaker 8>down to that Dungog area. We've still got quite a

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<v Speaker 8>bit of water around. We've still got people out of

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<v Speaker 8>their houses, so we're going to be with them for

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<v Speaker 8>the long haul as we move into the recovery side

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<v Speaker 8>of the activity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're deliberately putting the map up so people are

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<v Speaker 1>able to obviously work out where they are, work out

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<v Speaker 1>where family and friends are as well. So Colin, again,

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<v Speaker 1>the messaging that you're getting from the Bureau of Meteorology

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<v Speaker 1>is yet a lot of rain. There certainly was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of rain in and around Sydney today, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more intensity as you say, starting to move south,

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<v Speaker 1>but the expectation is not going to be like a

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<v Speaker 1>month's worth of rain in one day. Heavy falls in

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<v Speaker 1>lots of different places, or is the expectation that what

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<v Speaker 1>dropped on Taree now moves down the coast or does

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<v Speaker 1>it weaken as it moves down the coast.

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<v Speaker 8>The advice where you have from the Bureau just before

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<v Speaker 8>I come into this hookup was that it is not

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<v Speaker 8>going to be like what we've had up in the

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<v Speaker 8>Tari area. It will definitely have some heavy rain and

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<v Speaker 8>it's going to be quite widespread. But as it gets

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<v Speaker 8>to the weekend, we should see that going out to

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<v Speaker 8>sea off the south coast, and that will allow us

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<v Speaker 8>to continue to watch those rivers go down, because, as

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<v Speaker 8>you mentioned, particularly in those areas are still well flooded,

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<v Speaker 8>and all the viewers know that they're living in that

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<v Speaker 8>area with the highway shut, it's going to take a

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<v Speaker 8>few days for that to reced properly and for us

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<v Speaker 8>to be able to properly get in there and do

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<v Speaker 8>all the right assessments and help with get ready as

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<v Speaker 8>we lead into that recovery effort. Now we're already providing

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<v Speaker 8>all of our information we have to the other agencies

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<v Speaker 8>and we'll work together.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Colin, believe me, every word you have to say

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<v Speaker 1>way more important than anything I'm going to say for

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<v Speaker 1>the next hour, So apologies for interrupting. Now we know

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<v Speaker 1>that say in relation to the lis More floods of

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago, was that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>problems people start to talk about is once you're able

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<v Speaker 1>to get home, or after the waters have receded that

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<v Speaker 1>you thought were coming towards your house, these sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>things that the power is not going to come back on. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's lots of reasons for that, but also there's a

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<v Speaker 1>need for electricians to almost check literally every plug in

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<v Speaker 1>the house to make sure it's okay. Then you do

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<v Speaker 1>that house to house, then you go straight to street,

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<v Speaker 1>then we go suburb to suburb. In the Queensland scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>they literally are the Energet's company. There was giving absolute

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<v Speaker 1>details street by street and house by house. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>way they do it in Queensland. Give us an idea

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<v Speaker 1>for those that are on the fringe of it or

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<v Speaker 1>it goes past how do they check the information about

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<v Speaker 1>things like electricity and how and is part of what

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<v Speaker 1>the SEES does to have a bunch of electricians as

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<v Speaker 1>part of your movement who can help supplement some of

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<v Speaker 1>that emergency checking.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so to some initial advice for your your viewers

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<v Speaker 8>and listeners is on the SES website for those that

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<v Speaker 8>can get onto the websites at the moment. We do

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<v Speaker 8>have a range of guides of what to do before, during,

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<v Speaker 8>and after flooding. So you're talking one hundred percent about

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<v Speaker 8>what to do after flooding, and there's some checklists and

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<v Speaker 8>guides on things that residents can do themselves. As far

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<v Speaker 8>as we will work hand in glove with the reconstruction

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<v Speaker 8>authority and they will lead the reconstructions effort, but we

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<v Speaker 8>don't stop getting involved the moment that that starts happening.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a partnership by all the government agencies, so our

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<v Speaker 8>members and the emergency responders will still be there, working

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<v Speaker 8>hand in glove to do our best to get people

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<v Speaker 8>back into their homes as quick as possible. You're right,

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<v Speaker 8>utilities are a critical thing. The last thing we want

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<v Speaker 8>is someone going in and just switching the power on

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<v Speaker 8>and then because everything's wet, they end up getting electrocuted.

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<v Speaker 8>There's also gas and the restarting of gas mains and

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<v Speaker 8>the restarting of gas pilot lights and all of those

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<v Speaker 8>sort of things really need to be done in.

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<v Speaker 2>A control way.

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<v Speaker 8>So for a lot of those areas.

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<v Speaker 2>We're a little while off that.

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<v Speaker 8>And when I say a little while, we're a few

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<v Speaker 8>days until the water is properly receded and all clears

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<v Speaker 8>are given. Right now, at this point in time, there's

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<v Speaker 8>still forty humanity warnings in place for different communities that

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<v Speaker 8>are under evacuation guidance, and we need them to not

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<v Speaker 8>be rushing back to their places until the proper clearance

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<v Speaker 8>is given to go back in. And that's for their safety.

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<v Speaker 8>I know they want to get home, they want to

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<v Speaker 8>make sure their property is okay, and they want to

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<v Speaker 8>check on things, but we want to do it in

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<v Speaker 8>a way that doesn't result in them feeling they need

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<v Speaker 8>to get to their home and perhaps driving through some

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<v Speaker 8>floodwater to get there and then causing another flood rescue.

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<v Speaker 8>So we want people to be safe. That's at the

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<v Speaker 8>heart of our mission.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is the thing where look, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's tired. You want to get back to working out

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<v Speaker 1>how to start to pivot towards normal. But again remember,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly with the SEES, volunteers are there to help, the

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<v Speaker 1>organization is there to help, and to understand they are

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<v Speaker 1>moving as fast as humanly possible, and again, in a

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<v Speaker 1>scenario that has already taken life, let's make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>those numbers are as low as possible. All right, I

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<v Speaker 1>know you've got plenty of other commitments to be across,

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<v Speaker 1>but really, thank you so much, Colin, and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>to our team who've just turned this around here too,

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<v Speaker 1>which is part of the stuff you can see on

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<v Speaker 1>the SEES website right now SEES dot NSW, dot gov

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<v Speaker 1>dot Au. Also, again, if you're somebody just watching from

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<v Speaker 1>a little further away, you're not involved in the emergency

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<v Speaker 1>part of all of this, then again I'll point you

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<v Speaker 1>in the direction of things like hazard watch dot gov

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<v Speaker 1>dot au where you can look from afar, study the maps,

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<v Speaker 1>all the rest of it. And if that takes a

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<v Speaker 1>little pressure off a website, good and fine and fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>One final time, one three two five hundred one three

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<v Speaker 1>two five hundred Colin, Thank you mate, Thank you to

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<v Speaker 1>all of the volunteers and the professional staff of course

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<v Speaker 1>at the SEES and the wider emergency movement. We really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate what you're doing, mate.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you, Paul and all your viewers. Have an amazing

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<v Speaker 8>night and stay safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Good man. Thank you so much. There is really appreciate it, Colin,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know these moments and I get it right.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're on the fringe of things, you go hang on.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm on the fringe of things. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>reason why you can't go back just yet. Expectation is

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<v Speaker 1>if you try to set yourself up for a marathon,

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody knows how long that marathon's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you set the expectation of a multi day marathon,

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<v Speaker 1>then it does take not some of the stress, but

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<v Speaker 1>it does help with your way of navigating, say the

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<v Speaker 1>expectations of the kids, or some of the heightened emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, to any and everyone who is helping, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to any and everyone who is suffering. Strength and

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<v Speaker 1>love from all of us here at sky News and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously myself in particular. If there's any more news, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about it the second you need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure your homepage skynews dot com dot A. All right, politics,

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<v Speaker 1>Well that was quick. A couple of day breakup, thankfully

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<v Speaker 1>the trial separation. Mom and dad decided nap, probably let's

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to get back together. Good, excellent, fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>A little later, we're gonna have a chat to Kevin Hogan,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the deput leader of the Nationals. And I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to say what I've enjoyed about talking to say David

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<v Speaker 1>Little proud of the leader or the former leader, and

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<v Speaker 1>Michael McCormick all looking forward to with Kevin straight shooters.

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<v Speaker 1>Great thing about talking to a National Party person. This

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<v Speaker 1>is all about four things, four things that I think

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty obviously going to be beyond sticking points now

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<v Speaker 1>and they will be sorted out. It means that everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>holding off and there's no need to rush to name

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<v Speaker 1>shadow ministries. Parliament's not back until towards the back end

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<v Speaker 1>of July, so there is some time to go through it.

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<v Speaker 1>But thankfully what seemed just a couple of days ago

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<v Speaker 1>as the course apart is now starting to chart back together.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to see. But yet again, and you note this

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<v Speaker 1>right because we talked to National Party MPs on the

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<v Speaker 1>telly all the time. We talk to One Nation people

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<v Speaker 1>on the telly all the time, to most of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who work professionally in the press gallery in Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>and there are obviously some wonderful exceptions, including my colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>here at skyte News, but you know these are people

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<v Speaker 1>who Radio National act bubble kind of people, and they

0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.280
<v Speaker 1>don't get the Nats, and they certainly don't understand some

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that have been behind the events of

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<v Speaker 1>the past few days. And I just wanted to show you,

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<v Speaker 1>just like we did during the federal election campaign, how

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<v Speaker 1>the media interact with people like David Little Proud. Now

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<v Speaker 1>there's also a strange little phenomena, and I again like

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you how the sausage is made. Sometimes not pretty,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's good to know. Is that, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the press gallery in Camp the physical part of the building.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of Parliament House. It's not too far from

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<v Speaker 1>where the Senate is. It's a couple of levels up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where all the TV studios and all the radio

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<v Speaker 1>studios are now generally speaking, Say, if David Little Proud

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<v Speaker 1>is doing an interview with Laura Jays in the morning

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<v Speaker 1>here at Sky News, he obviously physically goes into that building,

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<v Speaker 1>walks out, goes back to his office. But for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing has built up over the past many years

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<v Speaker 1>that rather than just listening to what happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>interview that was planned, they all basically ambush the person

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as they walk out of another organization's studio,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why you often see nonsense like this like

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<v Speaker 1>we saw today in the corridors of the press gallery.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you need firm commitments do.

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<v Speaker 1>This in the first place, rather than rush and give

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<v Speaker 1>it time?

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<v Speaker 2>How you prepared to wait though? How much I'm to

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberals Nation dotate to that process?

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<v Speaker 6>Is it too early to say we're going to keep

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<v Speaker 6>we're not going to get back together?

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<v Speaker 2>It gets to know, yes, yes, yes we can, because

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<v Speaker 2>I can trust Susan.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is, all of those questions had been asked

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<v Speaker 1>in the interview that inevitably he had done with the

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<v Speaker 1>ABC or Channel seven or anything else. But we live

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<v Speaker 1>in this very weird media culture where rather than just

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<v Speaker 1>going okay, they're doing an interview on ABC Radio, they

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<v Speaker 1>ask all the questions. Is it because they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to show anything of a logo that's not their own?

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<v Speaker 1>We have to do the same thing over and over

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<v Speaker 1>and over again, and it makes it all look way

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<v Speaker 1>more chaotic. And then there are people who of course

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<v Speaker 1>make it all about themselves.

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<v Speaker 9>What exactly take a question?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like a lot of blokes that have been asking.

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<v Speaker 1>Questions, what does that have to do with anything like.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally it is every media organization in the country all

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<v Speaker 1>yelling at once. Oh but the gender parts all part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Yes, the special angle over there on Channel

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<v Speaker 1>two fedding anyway, like it's always about them, always about them.

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<v Speaker 1>And because I pointed out, oh well, I cop it

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<v Speaker 1>in the neck. Don't care. All right, Let's talk now

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<v Speaker 1>about how people are standing up for their communities. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the new Queensland premiere David cruci Foley had is fed

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<v Speaker 1>under the desk for a few months, has already put

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<v Speaker 1>in the adult crime adult time jail laws, particularly for

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<v Speaker 1>youth offending or obviously about youth offending. They've now done

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of amendments without adding more offenses, where somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that's found guilty of something like a sexual assault will

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<v Speaker 1>end up serving adult time rather than just basically the

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<v Speaker 1>version of criminal TAFE, which has been the criminal justice

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<v Speaker 1>system for young offenders certainly all over the country, but

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<v Speaker 1>specifically in Queensland under that Labor rule for some period

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<v Speaker 1>of time. Well, the United Nations does not like this policy,

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<v Speaker 1>is SBS telling us two.

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<v Speaker 10>Human rights experts calling the laws incompatible with basic child rights,

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<v Speaker 10>saying it would have an especially negative impact on the

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<v Speaker 10>lives of Indigenous children who are already disproportionately represented in

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<v Speaker 10>the criminal legal system.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, David Crucifoli when asked about it today, when you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, thank you so much, wind back, bang over

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<v Speaker 1>the fence for six.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's my message to the United Nations. You don't control me,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't answer to you. I answer to Queenslanders,

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<v Speaker 4>answer to a whole heap of those people back there

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<v Speaker 4>who've had their lives turned apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Good on him. Reminds me of the Chief Minister of

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<v Speaker 1>the Northern Territory Leo Fanukiaro. Remember when she was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about all those protesters to bug off back to Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>These are people who are trying to do something for

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<v Speaker 1>their communities. Because the consequences of youth crime are deeply,

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<v Speaker 1>deeply significant. People die in these scenarios. And as I

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<v Speaker 1>told you before, you know, in the entire youth justice system,

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<v Speaker 1>about forty thousand people are interacted with police, only about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand end up going to court and less than

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand end up going to jail. So laws are

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be changed to change the choices that are

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<v Speaker 1>so often the wrong ones. When it comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>judges dealing with this stuff in places like Queensland. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one last thing about the Victorian budget. But relax, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not what you think. Obviously, this is not in an

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<v Speaker 1>endorsement in any way, shape or form of people who

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<v Speaker 1>speed or drink driving or drug driving or any other

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<v Speaker 1>rest of it. But of course thousands of people get

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<v Speaker 1>pulled over each and every year. Thousands people have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay a fine each and every year. Now, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand how anyone can predict how many peopeople are going

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<v Speaker 1>to break the law next year, but apparently that is

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<v Speaker 1>the case because when you have a look at the

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<v Speaker 1>Victorian budget put together, of course insitue with the Premier

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<v Speaker 1>and the Treasurer. You're able to go and if you

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<v Speaker 1>look deep enough you can find some answers like this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from budget pay per number five. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know magically how this year they're going to get eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty seven million dollars worth of fines. That

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<v Speaker 1>will go up next year, They will go up the

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<v Speaker 1>year after that, and they'll be getting a billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>worth of fines in just a couple of years time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the population will not be growing by those huge amounts,

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<v Speaker 1>but for some reason, they know exactly how many people

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<v Speaker 1>are going to break the law. And thank goodness for

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<v Speaker 1>the way they account for this in the Victorian budget,

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<v Speaker 1>because have a look at this, they actually predict how

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<v Speaker 1>much money they will make out of safety camera fines

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<v Speaker 1>on the spot finds or toll evasion fines. Nowical, magically,

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<v Speaker 1>the last budget, which was three hundred and twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars for fixed speed cameras, will now become half

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<v Speaker 1>a billion, and that half a billion will eventually become

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<v Speaker 1>three quarters of a billion dollars in just three years time.

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<v Speaker 1>On the spot finds basically stable, but still about one

0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.200
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty million each and every year. How do

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 1>they know how many people are going to break the law?

0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Why will there be some outbreak of speeding in the

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 1>next little while? God forbid if you suggested that any

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:35.000
<v Speaker 1>of that meant that there was a quota. Now all

0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 1>of this revenue is revenue that means people broke the law.

0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he was entrapped into this stuff. People broke the law.

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:43.119
<v Speaker 1>But how can you predict how many will break it

0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 1>next year? And how do you assume more of the year.

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 1>How do you not assume that the safety measures you

0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 1>put in place this year, will bring it down next

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>year again, revenue raising or safety. You be the judge.

0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 1>All right, Back to the situation involving the Nationals. Their

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.920
<v Speaker 1>deputy leader is Kevin Hogan. Had the opportunity to have

0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 1>a chat with him a little bit earlier tonight about

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.439
<v Speaker 1>the situation that has been unfolding in and around all

0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>of this, and I put simply asked him that it

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:13.200
<v Speaker 1>looks like the couple might be getting back together. The door,

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>ever so slightly has been reopened.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, it is a good thing, Paul, and I'm very

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 11>helpful there. It's a sort of a silver lining that

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.440
<v Speaker 11>might you know, array of sunshine, which may mean something

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:27.880
<v Speaker 11>might happen. So what's happened, obviously is today is Susan

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.640
<v Speaker 11>Lee has written to David little Proud and said could

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 11>you pause the transition because obviously we had meetings today

0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:36.760
<v Speaker 11>with people that we wanted to be spokespeople for us

0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:39.399
<v Speaker 11>as a stand alone party. But she said, can you pause.

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:43.639
<v Speaker 11>I'm pausing my shadow cabinet appointments because I want to

0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 11>take to my party room, as in the Liberal party room,

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.560
<v Speaker 11>the four policies that you want a commitment to. So

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.920
<v Speaker 11>that's great because obviously this time last week, last Friday,

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:56.200
<v Speaker 11>reminding everyone Paul that we went to Susan and said,

0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 11>we've just had a party room meeting. What you've proposed

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 11>by wiping those policies means we will be out of

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 11>the coalition if we don't get more movement on those

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 11>four policies. So that was what our party room decided

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 11>last Friday, and then obviously things happened between then and

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 11>Friday and then Tuesday when they couldn't move. So the

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.919
<v Speaker 11>fact she's taking this to the party room hopefully as

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 11>a pot of positive signal, that would I guess the

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 11>movement on those four policies.

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>So if it is those four policies now again we

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>heard and again whether it's people seeing those smoke signals

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that of course come through the world of Canberra via

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.359
<v Speaker 1>the people who report on it, which was, oh hang on, no,

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 1>you're outside of those four ned zero, outside of those

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 1>four shadow cabinet solidarity. But put simply as a person

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 1>in the driver's seat in the negotiations with David and

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Bridget as well on the behalf of the National Party,

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>there are only four items on the agenda. There's no

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:55.160
<v Speaker 1>secret fifth or sixth or seventh about free wheeling from

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a national MP if they become a shadow minister.

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:00.520
<v Speaker 10>Paul.

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 11>There were four non negotiables. I mean, and usually these

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:05.640
<v Speaker 11>things are done in confidence and you do them privately

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 11>with the person negotiating with, not on television for the

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 11>whole of Australia. But there are a lot of things

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.080
<v Speaker 11>in the document, you know, I've heard stories about. It

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 11>was about just in an image of a price as well.

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 11>There were only four non negotiables. Everything else that was

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 11>up for discussion. Some of them were just up to see,

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:21.439
<v Speaker 11>you know, where do you feel about this? What do

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 11>you feel about this?

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>One?

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 11>Auak with this just discussion points. But the four non

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 11>negotiables were those four policy positions and why were they

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 11>non negotiable?

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Paul?

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 11>Is there really important for us as nationals, as regional MPs.

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 11>I don't want to pre prosecute them, but just say

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:40.119
<v Speaker 11>take one of them. The Regional Australia Future files, the

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 11>Region Australia Future Farm took us five or six years

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 11>been working on that. The vestige is important for us.

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 11>We have farmers who we think get screwed over by

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 11>the big supermarkets. We've been trying for years to get

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 11>those policies through. We got them through, so we got

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 11>them through the coalition party process in the last parliament.

0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 11>We don't want to lose them. If we lose them,

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 11>we may never see them again. Really important for our

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 11>communities and we wanted them as part of the deal.

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem like those four things are that hard

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>to work out, and certainly when you were talking about

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:13.360
<v Speaker 1>something as fundamental as the team together going forward, right

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>because again that big question that again people talk about

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:22.919
<v Speaker 1>that people say on the side net zero nuclear right now,

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.399
<v Speaker 1>there's a way to negotiate a midway point on nuclear,

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:29.440
<v Speaker 1>which is to say, well, we all agree we should

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>get rid of the moratorium. Right that may be where

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>things land, but in terms of the climate change stuff,

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 1>because again there'll be people watching us in regional Australia

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 1>right now who thought this week halleluj. Yeah, finally somebody

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:43.359
<v Speaker 1>that's it. They're going to take the hard line of

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 1>sort of pre twenty twenty on this. But that's not

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>one of the four We need to We need everyone

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 1>to know that's not one of the four sticking points,

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>is it? No, it's not.

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.239
<v Speaker 11>I mean, and the only thing related to that, if

0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 11>you like was the nuclear So when we drank the

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.440
<v Speaker 11>net zero twenty fifty kool aid, if you like, we straightaway,

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 11>as Nat said, well we've got to start.

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Talking about nuclear.

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 11>You can't get to where you want to go without

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 11>that story. And of course the renewal was that there

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 11>you know, we won't really prosecute the reckless renewable policy

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 11>of labor and all the transmission lines and all the

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.719
<v Speaker 11>things happened in Regional Australia. But we said, well you've

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 11>got to talk about nuclear. So all we wanted the

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 11>commitment from with you know, within this agreement was at.

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Least agree to lift the moratorium.

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 11>We have to talk about where they go and who's

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 11>funding it and at least be agnostic technologically. But you've

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 11>got to lift the moratoriy on that. So that was

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 11>the only ask in relation to that issue. But Paul,

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 11>you know, this was you know, again as a regional MP,

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 11>to go back to the regions rade future fun. This

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 11>is about better childcare facilities, better health facilities, better infrastructure.

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 11>You know, we worked to have we're going to fund

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 11>it within the budget. You know, I couldn't look like

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 11>community and I and say oh look we signed a

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 11>coalition agreement. They wouldn't sign up to it, So that's

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 11>gone for the and may never come back. I good

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 11>conscience couldn't do that. The twenty MP's in the room

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 11>couldn't do that. I believe maybe they didn't realize that

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 11>we were serious. I think maybe they thought we're going

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 11>to blink. It was a negotiation tactic last Friday. It

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 11>wasn't negotiation. It wasn't a tactic. We were all prepared

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 11>to take pay cuts, We were all prepared to lose

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 11>resources because of the principle that those for policies are

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 11>really important to us.

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:20.959
<v Speaker 1>And again, I mean, it's a budgetary commitment, but the

0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>reality of three years and returning that again, to me,

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>it feels like these are all quite quite solvable problems,

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and it seems like we are beginning a process of

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>being on the way to it. But also, you know,

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I love listening to the lefty media tourney. Wow, this

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>future fun is just a slush fun for the National Party.

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Do this, that and the other. Now, hang on, here's

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 1>the deal, Like, look at what happens in a place

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>like Victoria, where regional Victoria, you know, you drive on

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.719
<v Speaker 1>the roads you know, in and around Swan Hill, and

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>there are more potholes than there are bits of bitumen

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>to actually drive on at times. Right, that's because all

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the decisions are made centrally in Melbourne. The assumption is

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>the further away from Melbourne, the less life likely it

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>is to have a labor MP, therefore no need to

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 1>take care of them. The reason that fund is so

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>important is because the distances where National Party MPs are

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 1>to the major cities where the state governments are means

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>that there's basically at times a much closer relationship between

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the expectations of federal politics and local politics. And we

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>know that local councils are particularly grossly underfunded, which means yes,

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>you should have a line in the sand about a

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 1>certain amount of money to make sure that the things

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>that city people take for granted are the starting point

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>of a coalition government. I'm fully in support of that.

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 11>And Paul, I'll also remind all your listeners too how

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 11>it was going to be funded. It was going to

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 11>be funded by a boost in terms of trader when

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 11>terms of trade were better than budgeted. Now we sell

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 11>four things that make up four hundred billion dollars worth

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 11>of the six hundred and fifty billion dollars we sell

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 11>overseas every year and those four things are coal, gas, iron,

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 11>ore and food agg Now those four things are four

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 11>hundred billion bucks of six hundred and fifty b and

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 11>we sell overseas every year. Guess where those four things

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 11>all come from. Regional Australia. Regional Australia is funding our lifestyle.

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 11>The royalties, the wages, the company tax paid by those

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 11>big companies that do those four things are literally funding

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 11>our way of life. And that was out of when

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 11>I said when terms of trade were better than budgeted,

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 11>that's how we were going to build the fund dividend

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 11>every year, all budgeted for. And when you're literally creating

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 11>the wealth of the country, you deserve some of the

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 11>some of the throws from it in good facilities, good infrastructure.

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Bloody earth. It has been a bumpy week, but thankfully

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>some sanity towards the end of it, and certainly it

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>is good for the center right of Australian politics. I

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>do love talking and that's on the TV Straight Shooters.

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>It's great, just as our next guests will be as well,

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 1>none other than Michael Kroger James Ashby. As straight as

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>they get when it comes to firing up. We'll get

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>to that in a moment or two. Is time here

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>on Paul Murray Lite. Nice to hang out with mates

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>on a Thursday night. And here are two of our

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 1>favorites amongst the Paul Murray Lfe family, none of them

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the wonderful James Ashby, who is not at home very

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>close to an office the studio this evening. Where are you,

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 1>my friend, great jacket by the.

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Way, Perth. Oh yeah, thanks mate, Perth.

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 12>I was very lucky to be able to see the

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 12>swearing in of our two new MLC's here in Western Australia,

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 12>so Phil Scott and Rod Caddy's. You can see them

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 12>as welcomed editions to your shope. Paul, if you want

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 12>to MLC's for one nation in wa.

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:41.479
<v Speaker 1>Happy to help. Well. Straight after you've done this little hit,

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what. There's a Jordan not too far

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>from Murray Street. Some of the best dumplings I've ever had.

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I've seen you that in a second. A man who's

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>going what is all of this rubbish? Is none other than,

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>of course ful Kroger, who's doing it from home tonight.

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, little too cold outside, Bugger but he's still

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>dressed up. He might have the pjs on downstairs, but

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>he's looking business up stair. It's nice to see you mate,

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>all right, So Michael, how do you feel at the

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 1>end that thankfully, look a couple of days egg on

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>some people's faces, red faces. But who cares if by

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Monday we're back where we were last Monday. That's a

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>good thing, right when it comes to the coalition.

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, obviously, Paul, there's some.

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:21.479
<v Speaker 3>Bruising that takes place when this type of you know,

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 3>frakka takes place, So things will take quite a while.

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 9>We'll settle around.

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 3>To be honest, there's been a lot of meter interviews,

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 3>a lot of backgrounding, a lot of unhappiness on both sides.

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 3>So you know the truth is that will take that'll

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 3>take some months to repair. But look, thank goodness, they're

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 3>going to get back together. The four policy issues were

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 3>never the issue, but Susan Lee sort of made it

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 3>clear that you had to take those things to the

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 3>party room. And the big sticking point is we now

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 3>know was David Little Proud's view that you know, the

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 3>Nationals wanted the right to or he wanted the right

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 3>to be able to have National Party MPs, you know,

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 3>resist shout cabinet and the post shadow cabinet if they

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 3>didn't feel inclined to follow what they decided. Now certainly

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 3>quite properly said no. Anyway, that's all in the past.

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:08.280
<v Speaker 3>It looks as if they're.

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:08.839
<v Speaker 9>Going to get back together.

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.799
<v Speaker 3>And thank goodness, I mean, otherwise, mate, it would have

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 3>it would have been like Noah's Ark. I mean, you know,

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:22.439
<v Speaker 3>two shadow treasurers, two foreign shadows, both people blah blah.

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it would have been a recipe for disaster.

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, three cornered contests in every seat, no joint

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Senate tickets, no joint policies, no joint releases. I mean,

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 3>it's it's untenable, all right.

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 9>And as John Howard and.

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 3>Tony Abott correctly said, the Liberals and the Nationals work

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 3>best together when they're in coalition federally, and that's the

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 3>way it should be. And thank goodness, sense is going

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 3>to provail made James.

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>If nothing else. It means perhaps in three years time

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:48.839
<v Speaker 1>they're back on the same ticket and a little bit

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of that quota. If they don't get it, it may

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>well go back in the direction of one nation, which

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>does seem to be what's happening in terms of preferences,

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>but more practically this week, what have you thought of

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>watching on as people who just a few weeks ago

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be a government couldn't work out of how

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>they would be in opposition.

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 12>Look, if they're only getting back together again for the

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 12>kid's sake, it's probably the wrong approach and they're going

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 12>to have some issues moving forward because you know, Mum.

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 2>And Dad have still got their differences.

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 12>And we're talking about the National Party here rightfully putting

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.359
<v Speaker 12>their foot down and saying we want and demand more

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 12>respect as a party. We've seen for too long the

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 12>National Party just treated as the accessory to the Liberal Party,

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 12>the Robin to Batman or you know, the shadow in

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 12>the dark. And this is the problem for the Nats.

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 12>They're try and they're trying to say to the Liberal

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 12>Party stop taking us for granted. But there are deep

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 12>seated problems within both camps and I don't think the

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.760
<v Speaker 12>trust is going to be returned easily here. I've spoken

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.360
<v Speaker 12>to Liberal Party members just as soon as the election

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 12>finished who had great concerns over the fact that Barnaby

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 12>Joyce says things every time he opens his mouth he

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 12>loses US Liberals, and Matt Canavan loses US folks every

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 12>time he opens our mouths. You're hardly going to fix

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:09.360
<v Speaker 12>that problem by sort of having this little bit of

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 12>a row and then kissing and making up within a

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 12>week's time. So there are some real problems. And I've

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 12>heard liberals say our greatest defeat or our greatest achievement

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 12>was actually getting rid of the Nationals in South Australia,

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 12>and I just think to myself, that's not the coalition

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 12>partner i'd want if they're still getting around making those

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.919
<v Speaker 12>sorts of statements. So they've got to fix this once

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 12>and for all, otherwise it will be a breakup again

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 12>in the future and there'll be leadership spills, there'll be

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 12>blood to pay or blood spilled off the back of this.

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 12>So it does need fixing, I agree, But they are

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 12>stronger as a coalition.

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 1>But also there's just just as a little thing about

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 1>center right of Australian politics, right, and you know, let's

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, I certainly didn't go to union political science

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and all the rest of it, but basically right, we

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>obviously know team red, team blue, We obviously know the

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>concept of left and right, but Also there's sort of

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>subgroupings underneath all of that, right, So you could be like,

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>like in the Labor Party, literally there's the socialists that

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:11.239
<v Speaker 1>are there, there's all these subgroupings that are there, and

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>in the same when it comes to center right, you

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 1>could have everything from you know, economic populists to libertarians

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>to you know, you name it. Right, The thing is, Michael,

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the Labor Party has all of these factions, but they

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 1>also live under one dome, and no one publicly is

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>throwing each under under the bus or is free wheeling

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:36.360
<v Speaker 1>about what they think the collective should be doing. Is

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 1>a fundamental design error of the center right that the

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 1>tent might be broad, but everyone's allowed to walk in

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and out of it and say whatever they want.

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:47.280
<v Speaker 9>Except Fred Husick.

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Correct. Very good points, very good point, And I'm not

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:54.279
<v Speaker 1>suggesting hard caucus rules, And I'm just saying, like, if

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>people think that the left of Australian politics is not

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:01.359
<v Speaker 1>as fractured as the right is, they need to understand

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 1>that there are those fractions. They're just a lot more

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:06.760
<v Speaker 1>obvious to the right. Yeah.

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Look, it's a great question actually, and it goes to

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 3>a lot of how modern politics works. In Australia today.

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 3>The Labor Party factions have been there forever. They manage

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.400
<v Speaker 3>those factions incredibly well.

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 9>There is extraordinary.

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Discipline amongst the factions. If you cross the factions, that

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 3>has enormous consequences both for your tenure within the Paratry

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Party and just as importantly, mate, when you leave parliament.

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 3>If you've crossed the factions, if you crossed the Palacary

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Party and you leave Parliament, then there are no jobs

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 3>for you. You're an outcast. Whereas whereas, whereas on our

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 3>side it's much more free wielling. We allow people across

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 3>the floor, we allow them to speak out. It's a

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 3>much more free wheeling approach. We have to politics, which

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 3>has its advantages but also has a tremendous, tremendous number

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 3>of disadvantages too, because then you look ill disciplined. Whereas

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 3>the Labor Party got rid of two ministers pretty brutally.

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 9>It was in the media for a while.

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:08.320
<v Speaker 3>One of them spoke out, one of them didn't, Which

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 3>means that when Husick leaves Parliament he's not going to

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:11.839
<v Speaker 3>be too popular amongst the rank.

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 9>But when Dravis leaves parliament.

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:16.640
<v Speaker 3>He will be looked after with a high report something,

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 3>so you know that describes the difference between the party.

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 3>They have much more rigid discipline, and it's because they're

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 3>far more brutal than we are internally.

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is the thing where look, you know

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>that the openness and the freedom of the design, but

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 1>modern politics rewards message discipline. It rewards you know, essentially

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of the head of the tree saying which way

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 1>things are going to go. It's fascinating to watch, all right, James.

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 1>The parliamentary calendar has come out, and I know that

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 1>just like you know, a mechanic in the nineteen eighties,

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 1>you're waiting for the you know, the Samantha Fox calendar

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>to come out, and you want all the easy to

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 1>see one, you know, with the monkey dressed up as

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the mechanic. You want the parliamentary calendar. Now, I don't

0:39:59.920 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>know whether they send you, you know, sort of like

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:07.319
<v Speaker 1>a centerfold of albow leaning leaning over the leading over

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:12.720
<v Speaker 1>sea one, the old Street and strip ones. Anyway, Okay, great,

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.879
<v Speaker 1>we just had an election. But you can almost count

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 1>on a couple of hands how many days Parliament will

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:19.479
<v Speaker 1>sit this year.

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 12>It were normally prior to this government coming to rule,

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.919
<v Speaker 12>there was about eighteen weeks of parliament. Well the last

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.920
<v Speaker 12>three years that was reduced down to fifteen weeks, and

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 12>now we're seeing it reduced even further.

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 2>And yes, you're right. The calendar only came out today.

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 12>I was texted a copy from the Prime Minister's office

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 12>and I looked at it and I thought, we're not

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 12>back for weeks. We're not backed until the twenty second

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 12>of July, which is what six odd weeks away.

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>But don't worry.

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.720
<v Speaker 12>I have no doubt that the Labor Party are working

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 12>away behind the scenes trying to set up all that

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 12>tough legislation that they probably want to get through in

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.919
<v Speaker 12>the first six months so that people forget about it

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 12>in the last two two and a half years of

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 12>the term. But yeah, it is a surprise. There's a

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 12>big gap. And I heard the explanation is so that

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 12>Albo can do some more overseas trips.

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Paul, Oh, what a surprise. You know, of course you

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:16.799
<v Speaker 1>see this is but again, but this is the stuff, right, yep,

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 1>big win, big win, no questions, right, But what is

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the problem with the big win? A little bit of

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 1>hubris starts to kick in, right, So they've taken the

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.800
<v Speaker 1>message Michael inside. You know the DNA of the Labor Party,

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.319
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff that we've been talking about here, that's

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 1>all garbage. Cost of living. We nailed that, we you know,

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Airbus Olbow and nobody cared. You know, take your pick,

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>take your pick, take your pick, but this stuff will

0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 1>come back to bite you on the barm.

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 9>Yeh. Yeah, it's a long break actually, Paul.

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Now that I mentioned and now that James mentions that

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 3>he might be doing some overseas trips, but I hope

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:54.720
<v Speaker 3>he's going to the White House.

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 1>Yes, wouldn't that be nice? Well, of course, you know.

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, addressing like all these other leaders.

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Imagine that. Yeah, but you sorta he did the South

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:06.160
<v Speaker 1>African president and I imagine it's like albout So while

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:08.240
<v Speaker 1>you're here, all right, I'm going to take a quick break.

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>We will resume with that point straight after the break ken.

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, what are you thinking any time? Paul at skynishes

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 1>dot com dot A you looking forward to Cairns this

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:17.919
<v Speaker 1>Sunday as we go around the country with our town

0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:25.800
<v Speaker 1>thanks to our mates at having them, we'll get to

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a winner and loser of the week in a moment

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>or two. Is time you can always check it out

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 1>on the socials if you'd like to people with that honor.

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 1>This evening will be James Ashby, of course from One Nation,

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and Michael Kroger of the Liberal Flock. I did cut

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 1>you off. There was a little point you were going

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 1>to make there, Michael. I will give you the moment

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it now with more overseas elbow.

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 3>Well, I was just going to say, when he gets

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 3>to the White House and he's sitting there, Trump might

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 3>he goes on with the pleasantries. You know that his

0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 3>stick now is to have pleasantries for a couple of minutes.

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 3>You're a good blike I'm a good blake. We love

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 3>each other, the countryes are great friends. And then he

0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 3>gets into what he really wants to talk about, which

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 3>we saw yesterday with the porl South African president. You

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 3>might say, well, you won the election. That's great. It

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 3>seems like you don't particularly like America. You said you

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 3>didn't want the Australian health system too like the American

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 3>health system.

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 9>Your people attacked.

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 3>A Liberal National Party she want Liberal National Party front

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:21.200
<v Speaker 3>bencher for saying she wants to make Australia great again.

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 3>You whispered that Dutton was too close to Trump. You know,

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 3>you basically won your election partly by banging me, and

0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 3>I see your ambassador sitting here.

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:32.720
<v Speaker 9>Mister Radhi called me nuts.

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 3>He said I was a threat to democracy, et cetera,

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:37.840
<v Speaker 3>et cetera, et cetera. It could be an all the

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 3>time of cracker of a meeting mate. I think it

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't bring it on. But the problem is, now you

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 3>love a crypt of America, Paul So. I think he

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 3>represents guy News in the oval offers when elbow's there.

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll give I'll give you the tip. I'm not

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>entirely sure I will get the same boosting from this

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:58.439
<v Speaker 1>administration that I did from previous. Yes, but that said,

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, the problem is, as we know, will all

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 1>love it. But then, of course the pole numbers will

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>probably work in our boast favor after such addressing down alas,

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 1>all right, now I want to talk about it again.

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 1>All the people who put the effort into the election win.

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Now they want the payback. Transfer Workers' Union basically saying

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 1>they could bring the whole joint to a standstill unless

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>they get what they want from basically every company that

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 1>they deal with. Of course, this would have been referred

0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to as a conspiracy theory before the election, James. But

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>when you've got that many people who owe you guess what.

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, I get it.

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.840
<v Speaker 12>There's people struggling out there right across the entire country.

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 12>And there's some people on pretty good wages too. You know,

0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 12>I've said this before. With a sixth highest earning country

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 12>in the world, and the average medium salary if you

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 12>can believe, it's one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars,

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 12>but do some quick calculations, Paul, and you soon find

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 12>pretty quickly it's harder and harder to live off it.

0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 12>In fact, you can't even borrow enough money on that

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 12>salary with zero dependents, the average credit card limit of

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:09.880
<v Speaker 12>ten thousand dollars, you cannot borrow a satisfactory amount of

0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:14.400
<v Speaker 12>money to buy in every city capital city across this country,

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 12>all bar Darwin. And yet that's where seventy percent of

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:20.319
<v Speaker 12>this country live in capital cities. So if you're earning

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.320
<v Speaker 12>an average of one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars a

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.720
<v Speaker 12>year and you can't buy a house with that money,

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<v Speaker 12>there's something wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And it all comes down to energy.

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<v Speaker 12>So you know, it's all well and good for these

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<v Speaker 12>unions to say that we've got a problem with wages,

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<v Speaker 12>but if you look at the root cause of why

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<v Speaker 12>things are going so poorly, it's because energy costs.

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<v Speaker 2>In this country continue to go up.

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<v Speaker 12>And rather than attack the business owner out there and

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<v Speaker 12>say it's their fault and they've got to pay more

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<v Speaker 12>to their workers, or bureaucrats want more from the taxpayer,

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<v Speaker 12>we have to have a look at the underlying issue

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<v Speaker 12>in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>And until we do that, we are going to.

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<v Speaker 12>Continue to see more and more people struggle, less people

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<v Speaker 12>be able to buy houses, less investment in the country,

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<v Speaker 12>and of course who hurts everyday Australians. They just become

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<v Speaker 12>poorer because of this government and policies like net.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero and signing up to the Paris Agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Michael, I have no doubt that you are one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest drivers in the history of Victoria. But

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned in my editorial at the start of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, it always amuses me that every state government

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<v Speaker 1>around the country can somehow predict more people are going

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<v Speaker 1>to break the law year on year, and specifically how

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<v Speaker 1>many people are going to get caught by speed cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said, before Victorian Budget paper number five safety

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<v Speaker 1>cameras this year it's going to be five hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven million dollars. In three years time, seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fourteen million dollars. Police on the spot fines will

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<v Speaker 1>basically be one hundred and fifty for the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>But isn't it amazing how they can work out how

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<v Speaker 1>many people are going to break the law over the

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<v Speaker 1>next three years.

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<v Speaker 9>Mate, mate, not really.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they look at previous years or the last

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<v Speaker 3>twenty years, and then they can do an actual era

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<v Speaker 3>of calculation of what it's likely to be in the

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<v Speaker 3>next year based on.

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<v Speaker 1>Popularly hand a quota to the commissioner.

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<v Speaker 3>I presume that's how they do it. But look, mate,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm glad you talk about the Victorian budget.

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<v Speaker 3>We're an absolute basketcase down here in Victoria and we've

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<v Speaker 3>we've got it's a disgrace, right, it's a disgrace. When

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<v Speaker 3>Dennis Napthlin left office in twenty fourteen, the Liberal premier

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<v Speaker 3>state debt was twenty billion. It's about to have breached

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred billion, right. These people have bankrubbed with Victoria.

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<v Speaker 3>There's been a cash deficit, right of one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>forty four billion from two sixteen to two twenty nine

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<v Speaker 3>to thirty year period that NOE News gone on the

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<v Speaker 3>four projected we've spent more than one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 3>four billion dollars more than we're earning. I mean, these

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<v Speaker 3>people are just disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>And also it's ten billion dollars a year to service

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<v Speaker 1>the interest on the debt, which makes it the third

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<v Speaker 1>or very close to the third biggest expense of the

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<v Speaker 1>Victorian government. I've got thirty seconds, say, Gang, give me

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<v Speaker 1>winn or a loser if you can, and then we're

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<v Speaker 1>out of here. Michael Loser of the week.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately it's our Liberal and National parties in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 9>But next week they'll be the winners. And the winner

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<v Speaker 9>of the week I think would have to be no.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm going to suggest Nigel ferraj after the.

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<v Speaker 9>To move his way on immigration.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good stuff, all right, James super fast for mem.

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<v Speaker 2>But the biggest winner this week is Albow.

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<v Speaker 12>He's allowed the Liberal and National Party to act as

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<v Speaker 12>the distractors and he's got away with blue murder this week.

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<v Speaker 1>My loser of the week Sarah Hanson Young. She tried,

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<v Speaker 1>but just couldn't get there to be the leader of

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<v Speaker 1>the Greens. Thank you guys. We'll see you again next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick break back, we warre plenty more to say before

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<v Speaker 1>we're done, and then the late debate is on scone. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>good news everyone. You know how it's been financially tough,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you're trying to pay off a house. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently that's not true. Q Opinion piece thought peace. As

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<v Speaker 1>they like to say in the Channel Line papers from

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<v Speaker 1>one of the economics people, the prevailing narrative about high

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<v Speaker 1>interest rates being a major culprit in the cost of

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<v Speaker 1>living crisis is no longer passing muster. If anything, the

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<v Speaker 1>rhetoric is showing major cracks, suggesting that what borrow was

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps are experiencing is phantom pain. It suggests that ninety

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<v Speaker 1>percent of people didn't change how much they were paying

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<v Speaker 1>back when it comes to their repayments. The final bit

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<v Speaker 1>here there clearly is a cohort that is experiencing mortgage

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<v Speaker 1>stress and pain. But the narrative that mortgage stress is

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<v Speaker 1>crippling most borrowers needs to be amended given much of

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to have been phantom pain. Oh thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much, Elizabeth I mean for those of us who

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<v Speaker 1>had to go without a little bit for a mortgage.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank goodness, we apparently didn't seriously have a great weekend

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<v Speaker 1>see and Cans. Go Tigers, Go Yankees, Go Nicks.