WEBVTT - What’s going on with Virginia Giuffre? 

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<v Speaker 1>From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Friday, April four, twenty twenty five. Anthony Albinizi is

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<v Speaker 1>planning to stockpile Australia's precious critical minerals deposits as a

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<v Speaker 1>negotiating chip. That's after US President Donald Trump announced ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent tariffs on all Australian products. It's part of his

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<v Speaker 1>so called Liberation Day war on foreign made goods that

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<v Speaker 1>has sent markets into a panic. The Museum of Contemporary

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<v Speaker 1>Art has deleted its own websites praise for controversial artist

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<v Speaker 1>Colored Subsabi. Subsabi was chosen and then dumped as Australia's

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<v Speaker 1>representative at the Venice Bienali after The Australian revealed previous

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<v Speaker 1>artworks depicting the nine to eleven attacks and late Hesbala

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<v Speaker 1>leader Hassan Nazrala. The MCA has now removed its own

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<v Speaker 1>reference to Subsabi's Nazraella portrait as suggestive of a divine illumination.

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<v Speaker 1>You can read that exclusive right now at The Australian

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<v Speaker 1>dot com dot au. Virginia Roberts Giuffrey became globally famous

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<v Speaker 1>as the woman accusing Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein of

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<v Speaker 1>collaborating in abusing her when she was a teenager. She's

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<v Speaker 1>been living a quiet family life in Perth until this

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<v Speaker 1>week she became the central character in a real life

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<v Speaker 1>medical mystery today, What's going on with Virginia Gufrey. Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>Giffrey was sixteen and working in the spa at Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's Mara Lago Club in Florida when she crossed paths

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<v Speaker 1>with Gilaine Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like this really bright Mary Poppins kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a figure, and she goes, Oh, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 2>know this guy, there's an opportunity. Actually, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to become a real massage therapist, we can get she trained.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name was Virginia Roberts then, and that guy was

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<v Speaker 1>billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein, vices from the TV mini series

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<v Speaker 1>Surviving Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Within the next few weeks, Jeffrey Gilande told me that

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<v Speaker 2>I need to quit my job with mar al Iago

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<v Speaker 2>because I'll be traveling with them as they're traveling massuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia Giffrey alleges she was sexually assaulted by both Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>and Galline Maxwell on that first meeting, subsequently trafficked and

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<v Speaker 1>abused for years.

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<v Speaker 2>It was abused straight away from both of them. I

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<v Speaker 2>got paid two hundred dollars and the butler drove me home.

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein was found dead in a New York prison cell

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, where he was waiting to stand trial

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<v Speaker 1>on sex trafficking charges.

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<v Speaker 3>The medical examiner has ruled his death a suicide. Attorney

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<v Speaker 3>General William Barr ordered an investigation into his death after

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<v Speaker 3>officials uncovered irregularities at the prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Giffrey claims she was assaulted by the Duke of York,

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<v Speaker 1>Prince Andrew, who counted Epstein and Maxwell among his close

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<v Speaker 1>personal friends. Andrew's always denied the allegations against him, but

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<v Speaker 1>settled with Giffrey out of court for an undisclosed PSALM

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two. Here's Geffrey in an interview with

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<v Speaker 1>the BBC's Panorama program.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm calling BS on this because that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows what happened. I know what happened, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>only one of us telling the truth, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>that's me.

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<v Speaker 1>In the years since, Giffrey has become an advocate for

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<v Speaker 1>survivors of sexual abuse and trafficking.

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<v Speaker 2>I implore the people in the UK to stand up

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<v Speaker 2>beside me, to help me fight this fate. To not

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<v Speaker 2>accept this as being okay. This is not some sordid

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<v Speaker 2>sex story. This is a story of being trafficked.

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<v Speaker 1>She's also made a life for herself far away from

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<v Speaker 1>it all in Perth, Western Australia. She married Australian martial

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<v Speaker 1>arts instructor Robert Giuffrey in two thousand and two and

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<v Speaker 1>they have three children.

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<v Speaker 4>Virginia's kept a really low profile in Perth. Actually she

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't give interviews. She had been living quietly in the

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<v Speaker 4>northern suburbs of Perth with her husband and children.

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<v Speaker 1>This is The Australian's West Australia Bureau Chief Page Taylor.

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<v Speaker 4>We knew that she had bought a lovely house in

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<v Speaker 4>a beachside suburb, but it wasn't like there was news

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<v Speaker 4>about her in the media daily or she didn't go

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<v Speaker 4>seeking it either. I think a lot of people were

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<v Speaker 4>quite delighted that she had found some kind of peace

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<v Speaker 4>and then you stop.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early hours of Tuesday, this post appeared on

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia Juphry's Instagram fade. We've used an AI voice to

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<v Speaker 1>raid Virginia Jupry's post.

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<v Speaker 5>This year has been the worst start to a new year.

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<v Speaker 5>But I won't bore anyone with the details, but I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's important to note that when a school bus

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<v Speaker 5>driver comes at you driving one hundred ten kilometers as

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<v Speaker 5>we were slowing for a turn, that no matter what

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<v Speaker 5>your car is made of, it might as well be

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<v Speaker 5>a tin can. I've gone into kidney renal failure. They've

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<v Speaker 5>given me four days to live, transferring me to a

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<v Speaker 5>specialist hospital in urology. I'm ready to go, just not

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<v Speaker 5>until I see my babies one last time. But you

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<v Speaker 5>know what they say about wishes, shit in one hand

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<v Speaker 5>and wish in the other, and I guarantee it's still

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<v Speaker 5>going to be shit at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you all for being the wonderful people of the

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<v Speaker 5>world and for being a great part of my life.

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<v Speaker 5>God bless you all. Virginia.

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<v Speaker 4>While I was up late finishing a story, was about

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<v Speaker 4>two am on Tuesday, Perth time, and I thought, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just going to do a bit of scrolling now before

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<v Speaker 4>I go to sleep, and I saw this really confronting

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<v Speaker 4>image of Virginia in what looked to be a hospital bed.

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<v Speaker 4>She had declared she only had days to live. It

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<v Speaker 4>was such a shock.

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<v Speaker 1>In the picture, Giffrey looks very unwell. She's lying on

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<v Speaker 1>something that looks like a hospital bed with medical equipment

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<v Speaker 1>in the background. She has brown marks on one side

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<v Speaker 1>of her face that looked like they could be bruising.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not a terribly big city, Perth, and if

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<v Speaker 4>a school bus had cleaned up a car, the TV

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<v Speaker 4>crews would be there, it'd be all over social media,

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<v Speaker 4>the parents would have been contacted, the school would have

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<v Speaker 4>had to make a statement. There was none of that,

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<v Speaker 4>which was a bit unusual. And then I thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll read that again. Maybe she's saying one thing happened

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<v Speaker 4>after the other. Maybe she's not saying they're connected. I

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't quite understand what was going on there. But then

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<v Speaker 4>I also did think, perhaps this is also a person

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<v Speaker 4>who's very sick and possibly a bit dazed and confused

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<v Speaker 4>in that process, and she might not be even understanding

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<v Speaker 4>what's happening to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Journalists, including page from around the world, started asking questions,

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<v Speaker 1>when had this road accident happened, where, Why hadn't it

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<v Speaker 1>made The news page found out that yes, Virginia. Giffrey

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<v Speaker 1>had been in an ambulance which picked her up from

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<v Speaker 1>a tiny town north of Perth. It arrived at Sir

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Gardener Hospital at about two thirty am on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>April one.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a really big tertiary hospital in Perth. It does

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<v Speaker 4>everything except major trauma and complex burns. You can't have

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<v Speaker 4>a baby at Sir Charles gar A Hospital, but they

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<v Speaker 4>do everything else. They do organ transplants and they deal

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<v Speaker 4>with surgeries of all kinds. I have confirmed that she

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<v Speaker 4>arrived about two thirty am on the Tuesday, which suggests

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<v Speaker 4>to me that perhaps that photograph was taken in the

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<v Speaker 4>back of the ambulance. She had been in the rural

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<v Speaker 4>area of near Gabby, which is a tiny hamlet, doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>have a town square or a shops or anything, and

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<v Speaker 4>the ambulance service got a tripoo call round midnight. Some

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<v Speaker 4>volunteers came from the beachside suburb of Two Rocks and

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<v Speaker 4>they took her to the Two Rocks depot. That's not

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<v Speaker 4>even a nursing post or a medical center, it's literally

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<v Speaker 4>where they keep the ambulance. And then a professional crew

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<v Speaker 4>from the city came and picked her up and in

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<v Speaker 4>normal road conditions. They drove her to Sir Charles Garden Hospital,

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<v Speaker 4>about seventy kilometers south. They didn't use the sirens, which

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<v Speaker 4>suggests it's not an emergency but serious enough to warrant

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<v Speaker 4>an ambulance transfer.

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<v Speaker 1>So the ambulance right happened on Tuesday this week, that's

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<v Speaker 1>April one. But the authorities in Wa have told Page

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<v Speaker 1>the incident between the school bus and the car that

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<v Speaker 1>happened last week on the twenty fourth of March.

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<v Speaker 4>It was relatively minor, and it did happen in near

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<v Speaker 4>Gabby Up, near where Virginia was picked up in the

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<v Speaker 4>ambulance six days later. But it was so minor that

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<v Speaker 4>the police said there was only two thousand dollars worth

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<v Speaker 4>of damage to the car and no major injuries. We

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<v Speaker 4>know the ambulance did not attend that incident either.

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<v Speaker 1>In a statement, Virginia Deuphray's agent said she'd been injured

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<v Speaker 1>in the crash, but it had returned home and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't until her condition worsened after several days that she

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<v Speaker 1>called the ambulance and then it emerged. Virginia Euphras facing

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal charge in the Wa courts on March fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Ten days before the road accident, she'd appeared at the

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<v Speaker 1>magistrates Court in joodle Up, in Perth's northern suburbs. She

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<v Speaker 1>was charged with breaching a family violence restraining order. She

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't had to enter a plea and the matters listed

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<v Speaker 1>for court on April nine. Also facing charges is her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Giffrey. In February, he was charged with an inadequate

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<v Speaker 1>storage facility for firearms. He's also been in trouble for

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<v Speaker 1>a driving offense. He was fined twelve hundred dollars and

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<v Speaker 1>lost his license for six months for reckless driving exceeding

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<v Speaker 1>the speed limit by forty five kilometers an hour or more.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in September. On the twenty second of March, she

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<v Speaker 1>posted some photos of her children and some words that

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<v Speaker 1>suggested that there was something going on in the family.

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<v Speaker 1>She said her heart was shattered and that every day

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<v Speaker 1>that passes her sadness only deepened. Did that attract attention

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<v Speaker 1>at the time or did that kind of go a

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<v Speaker 1>bit unnoticed until she made the post about being in hospital.

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<v Speaker 4>I never saw that post, and I never saw any

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<v Speaker 4>media about it either. I sort of wondered if that

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<v Speaker 4>when under the radar because she had not been in

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<v Speaker 4>the media for such a long time, maybe people had

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<v Speaker 4>taken their eyes off her. When I did see it,

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<v Speaker 4>it struck me as so tragic, just horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>And then another twist. We've used a voice actor to

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<v Speaker 1>read a statement released by Virginia Geffray's agent overnight on

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday this week. There are some sensitive personal issues mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in the statement, so we've redacted some of it.

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<v Speaker 6>On January ninth, twenty twenty five, and Virginia was hospitalized

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<v Speaker 6>for her serious injuries and he was granted a restraining order.

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<v Speaker 6>Virginia looks forward to defending herself. She is deeply concerned

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<v Speaker 6>about her children. Virginia continues to be hospitalized in serious condition.

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<v Speaker 4>We heard that she'd been in a hospital as early

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<v Speaker 4>as January. The fact that she'd been in hospital multiple

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<v Speaker 4>times this year was a surprise and a big cause

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<v Speaker 4>for concern. She has been charged with one count of

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<v Speaker 4>breaching what is known as a family violence restraining order.

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<v Speaker 4>What I know about those orders is that there are

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<v Speaker 4>ways of breaching them that are minor, and there are

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<v Speaker 4>ways of breaching them that are major. So a person

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<v Speaker 4>can breach a family violence restraining order by sending a

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<v Speaker 4>text or an email. And there have been cases in

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<v Speaker 4>the past, the recent past where a man has been

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<v Speaker 4>fined a small fine for breaching one of these orders

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<v Speaker 4>by sending an email that asked to see his children.

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<v Speaker 4>But people have also been jailed because they breach the

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<v Speaker 4>order with an act of violence. So we actually don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what's gone on here, and it could be any

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<v Speaker 4>of those things that the police are alleging.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up. What are the ethics of covering a complex

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<v Speaker 1>story where the subject seems to be in such distress.

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<v Speaker 1>This is such a delicate thing to cover, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Page This woman has made allegations of really horrendous abuse

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<v Speaker 1>against three people, Jeffrey Epstein, Gilaine Maxwell, and Prince Andrew.

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<v Speaker 1>She's accepted a settlement, a payout in some form of

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledgment of her abuse. She's been trying to live a

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<v Speaker 1>private life in wa and it sounds like the media

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<v Speaker 1>has really left her alone. How do you navigate the

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<v Speaker 1>delicacy of stepping your way through covering this story.

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<v Speaker 4>She's an important thing to a lot of people because

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<v Speaker 4>she's been a hero actually campaigning for victims of sexual abuse,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I think there's a lot of care and

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<v Speaker 4>concern for her. But you're right, it's so difficult to

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<v Speaker 4>tell this story when this is a person whose life

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<v Speaker 4>is obviously in a lot of turmoil. I get a

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<v Speaker 4>sense she's a person who's lived through a lot of pain.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that she was genuinely trying to have a

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<v Speaker 4>quiet and good life. And if you're going to live

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<v Speaker 4>in Australia, in a capital city, Perth's probably the place

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<v Speaker 4>to do it. She's going to appear in court now

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<v Speaker 4>as a result of this family violence restraining order charge,

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<v Speaker 4>and that, of course, is going to attract a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of media attention. That's going to be hard to watch.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to be difficult for her, and it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be quite the spectacle.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Virginia giuphrase Agent's initial response to this page

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<v Speaker 1>was to say in a statement that her intention had

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<v Speaker 1>been to post it in a more private way, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>on a face book closed group, rather than publicly on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>What should we draw from that, given that the statement

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<v Speaker 1>is still there on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been wondering if it hasn't been removed because Virginia

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<v Speaker 4>is so unwell. As far as we know, she's still

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<v Speaker 4>an impatient she may be under the influence of pretty

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<v Speaker 4>strong painkillers. She might not even be in a position

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<v Speaker 4>to communicate well with her spokesperson or pass on her passwords.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what to take from that. This is

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<v Speaker 4>a person who's obviously sick, or else she wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 4>been taken by ambulance to a hospital and she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>still be there. What her illness is we don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>But I know that public hospitals are not in the

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<v Speaker 4>habit of keeping people on the ward if they're well

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<v Speaker 4>enough to leave.

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