1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: It's Friday, April four, twenty twenty five. Anthony Albinizi is 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: planning to stockpile Australia's precious critical minerals deposits as a 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: negotiating chip. That's after US President Donald Trump announced ten 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: percent tariffs on all Australian products. It's part of his 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: so called Liberation Day war on foreign made goods that 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: has sent markets into a panic. The Museum of Contemporary 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: Art has deleted its own websites praise for controversial artist 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: Colored Subsabi. Subsabi was chosen and then dumped as Australia's 10 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: representative at the Venice Bienali after The Australian revealed previous 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: artworks depicting the nine to eleven attacks and late Hesbala 12 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: leader Hassan Nazrala. The MCA has now removed its own 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: reference to Subsabi's Nazraella portrait as suggestive of a divine illumination. 14 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: You can read that exclusive right now at The Australian 15 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: dot com dot au. Virginia Roberts Giuffrey became globally famous 16 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: as the woman accusing Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein of 17 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: collaborating in abusing her when she was a teenager. She's 18 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: been living a quiet family life in Perth until this 19 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: week she became the central character in a real life 20 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: medical mystery today, What's going on with Virginia Gufrey. Virginia 21 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: Giffrey was sixteen and working in the spa at Donald 22 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: Trump's Mara Lago Club in Florida when she crossed paths 23 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: with Gilaine Maxwell. 24 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: She was like this really bright Mary Poppins kind of 25 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: a figure, and she goes, Oh, you know what, I 26 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: know this guy, there's an opportunity. Actually, if you want 27 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: to become a real massage therapist, we can get she trained. 28 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: Her name was Virginia Roberts then, and that guy was 29 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein, vices from the TV mini series 30 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: Surviving Jeffrey Epstein. 31 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: Within the next few weeks, Jeffrey Gilande told me that 32 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: I need to quit my job with mar al Iago 33 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: because I'll be traveling with them as they're traveling massuse. 34 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: Virginia Giffrey alleges she was sexually assaulted by both Epstein 35 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: and Galline Maxwell on that first meeting, subsequently trafficked and 36 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: abused for years. 37 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: It was abused straight away from both of them. I 38 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: got paid two hundred dollars and the butler drove me home. 39 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: Epstein was found dead in a New York prison cell 40 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, where he was waiting to stand trial 41 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: on sex trafficking charges. 42 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: The medical examiner has ruled his death a suicide. Attorney 43 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: General William Barr ordered an investigation into his death after 44 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: officials uncovered irregularities at the prison. 45 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: Giffrey claims she was assaulted by the Duke of York, 46 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: Prince Andrew, who counted Epstein and Maxwell among his close 47 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: personal friends. Andrew's always denied the allegations against him, but 48 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: settled with Giffrey out of court for an undisclosed PSALM 49 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. Here's Geffrey in an interview with 50 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: the BBC's Panorama program. 51 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: I'm calling BS on this because that's what it is. 52 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: He knows what happened. I know what happened, and there's 53 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: only one of us telling the truth, and I know 54 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: that's me. 55 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: In the years since, Giffrey has become an advocate for 56 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: survivors of sexual abuse and trafficking. 57 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: I implore the people in the UK to stand up 58 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: beside me, to help me fight this fate. To not 59 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: accept this as being okay. This is not some sordid 60 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: sex story. This is a story of being trafficked. 61 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: She's also made a life for herself far away from 62 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: it all in Perth, Western Australia. She married Australian martial 63 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: arts instructor Robert Giuffrey in two thousand and two and 64 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: they have three children. 65 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 4: Virginia's kept a really low profile in Perth. Actually she 66 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 4: doesn't give interviews. She had been living quietly in the 67 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 4: northern suburbs of Perth with her husband and children. 68 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: This is The Australian's West Australia Bureau Chief Page Taylor. 69 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 4: We knew that she had bought a lovely house in 70 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: a beachside suburb, but it wasn't like there was news 71 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 4: about her in the media daily or she didn't go 72 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 4: seeking it either. I think a lot of people were 73 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 4: quite delighted that she had found some kind of peace 74 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 4: and then you stop. 75 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: In the early hours of Tuesday, this post appeared on 76 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: Virginia Juphry's Instagram fade. We've used an AI voice to 77 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: raid Virginia Jupry's post. 78 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 5: This year has been the worst start to a new year. 79 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 5: But I won't bore anyone with the details, but I 80 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 5: think it's important to note that when a school bus 81 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 5: driver comes at you driving one hundred ten kilometers as 82 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 5: we were slowing for a turn, that no matter what 83 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 5: your car is made of, it might as well be 84 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 5: a tin can. I've gone into kidney renal failure. They've 85 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 5: given me four days to live, transferring me to a 86 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 5: specialist hospital in urology. I'm ready to go, just not 87 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 5: until I see my babies one last time. But you 88 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 5: know what they say about wishes, shit in one hand 89 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 5: and wish in the other, and I guarantee it's still 90 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 5: going to be shit at the end of the day. 91 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 5: Thank you all for being the wonderful people of the 92 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,119 Speaker 5: world and for being a great part of my life. 93 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 5: God bless you all. Virginia. 94 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: While I was up late finishing a story, was about 95 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 4: two am on Tuesday, Perth time, and I thought, I'm 96 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 4: just going to do a bit of scrolling now before 97 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 4: I go to sleep, and I saw this really confronting 98 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: image of Virginia in what looked to be a hospital bed. 99 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 4: She had declared she only had days to live. It 100 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: was such a shock. 101 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: In the picture, Giffrey looks very unwell. She's lying on 102 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: something that looks like a hospital bed with medical equipment 103 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: in the background. She has brown marks on one side 104 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: of her face that looked like they could be bruising. 105 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: This is not a terribly big city, Perth, and if 106 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 4: a school bus had cleaned up a car, the TV 107 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 4: crews would be there, it'd be all over social media, 108 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: the parents would have been contacted, the school would have 109 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 4: had to make a statement. There was none of that, 110 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 4: which was a bit unusual. And then I thought, oh, 111 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 4: I'll read that again. Maybe she's saying one thing happened 112 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 4: after the other. Maybe she's not saying they're connected. I 113 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 4: couldn't quite understand what was going on there. But then 114 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 4: I also did think, perhaps this is also a person 115 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 4: who's very sick and possibly a bit dazed and confused 116 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 4: in that process, and she might not be even understanding 117 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: what's happening to her. 118 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: Journalists, including page from around the world, started asking questions, 119 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: when had this road accident happened, where, Why hadn't it 120 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: made The news page found out that yes, Virginia. Giffrey 121 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: had been in an ambulance which picked her up from 122 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: a tiny town north of Perth. It arrived at Sir 123 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: Charles Gardener Hospital at about two thirty am on Tuesday, 124 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: April one. 125 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 4: That's a really big tertiary hospital in Perth. It does 126 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 4: everything except major trauma and complex burns. You can't have 127 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 4: a baby at Sir Charles gar A Hospital, but they 128 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: do everything else. They do organ transplants and they deal 129 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 4: with surgeries of all kinds. I have confirmed that she 130 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 4: arrived about two thirty am on the Tuesday, which suggests 131 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: to me that perhaps that photograph was taken in the 132 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: back of the ambulance. She had been in the rural 133 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: area of near Gabby, which is a tiny hamlet, doesn't 134 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 4: have a town square or a shops or anything, and 135 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: the ambulance service got a tripoo call round midnight. Some 136 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 4: volunteers came from the beachside suburb of Two Rocks and 137 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 4: they took her to the Two Rocks depot. That's not 138 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: even a nursing post or a medical center, it's literally 139 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 4: where they keep the ambulance. And then a professional crew 140 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 4: from the city came and picked her up and in 141 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 4: normal road conditions. They drove her to Sir Charles Garden Hospital, 142 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 4: about seventy kilometers south. They didn't use the sirens, which 143 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 4: suggests it's not an emergency but serious enough to warrant 144 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 4: an ambulance transfer. 145 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: So the ambulance right happened on Tuesday this week, that's 146 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: April one. But the authorities in Wa have told Page 147 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: the incident between the school bus and the car that 148 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: happened last week on the twenty fourth of March. 149 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 4: It was relatively minor, and it did happen in near 150 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: Gabby Up, near where Virginia was picked up in the 151 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 4: ambulance six days later. But it was so minor that 152 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 4: the police said there was only two thousand dollars worth 153 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 4: of damage to the car and no major injuries. We 154 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 4: know the ambulance did not attend that incident either. 155 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: In a statement, Virginia Deuphray's agent said she'd been injured 156 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: in the crash, but it had returned home and it 157 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: wasn't until her condition worsened after several days that she 158 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: called the ambulance and then it emerged. Virginia Euphras facing 159 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: a criminal charge in the Wa courts on March fourteen, 160 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: Ten days before the road accident, she'd appeared at the 161 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: magistrates Court in joodle Up, in Perth's northern suburbs. She 162 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: was charged with breaching a family violence restraining order. She 163 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: hasn't had to enter a plea and the matters listed 164 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: for court on April nine. Also facing charges is her husband, 165 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: Robert Giffrey. In February, he was charged with an inadequate 166 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: storage facility for firearms. He's also been in trouble for 167 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: a driving offense. He was fined twelve hundred dollars and 168 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: lost his license for six months for reckless driving exceeding 169 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: the speed limit by forty five kilometers an hour or more. 170 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: Back in September. On the twenty second of March, she 171 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: posted some photos of her children and some words that 172 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: suggested that there was something going on in the family. 173 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: She said her heart was shattered and that every day 174 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: that passes her sadness only deepened. Did that attract attention 175 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: at the time or did that kind of go a 176 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: bit unnoticed until she made the post about being in hospital. 177 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 4: I never saw that post, and I never saw any 178 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: media about it either. I sort of wondered if that 179 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: when under the radar because she had not been in 180 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 4: the media for such a long time, maybe people had 181 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 4: taken their eyes off her. When I did see it, 182 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 4: it struck me as so tragic, just horrible. 183 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: And then another twist. We've used a voice actor to 184 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: read a statement released by Virginia Geffray's agent overnight on 185 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: Wednesday this week. There are some sensitive personal issues mentioned 186 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: in the statement, so we've redacted some of it. 187 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 6: On January ninth, twenty twenty five, and Virginia was hospitalized 188 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 6: for her serious injuries and he was granted a restraining order. 189 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 6: Virginia looks forward to defending herself. She is deeply concerned 190 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 6: about her children. Virginia continues to be hospitalized in serious condition. 191 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 4: We heard that she'd been in a hospital as early 192 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 4: as January. The fact that she'd been in hospital multiple 193 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 4: times this year was a surprise and a big cause 194 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 4: for concern. She has been charged with one count of 195 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 4: breaching what is known as a family violence restraining order. 196 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 4: What I know about those orders is that there are 197 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: ways of breaching them that are minor, and there are 198 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 4: ways of breaching them that are major. So a person 199 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 4: can breach a family violence restraining order by sending a 200 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: text or an email. And there have been cases in 201 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 4: the past, the recent past where a man has been 202 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 4: fined a small fine for breaching one of these orders 203 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 4: by sending an email that asked to see his children. 204 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 4: But people have also been jailed because they breach the 205 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 4: order with an act of violence. So we actually don't 206 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 4: know what's gone on here, and it could be any 207 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 4: of those things that the police are alleging. 208 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: Coming up. What are the ethics of covering a complex 209 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: story where the subject seems to be in such distress. 210 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: This is such a delicate thing to cover, isn't it. 211 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: Page This woman has made allegations of really horrendous abuse 212 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: against three people, Jeffrey Epstein, Gilaine Maxwell, and Prince Andrew. 213 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: She's accepted a settlement, a payout in some form of 214 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: acknowledgment of her abuse. She's been trying to live a 215 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: private life in wa and it sounds like the media 216 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: has really left her alone. How do you navigate the 217 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: delicacy of stepping your way through covering this story. 218 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 4: She's an important thing to a lot of people because 219 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 4: she's been a hero actually campaigning for victims of sexual abuse, 220 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 4: and so I think there's a lot of care and 221 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 4: concern for her. But you're right, it's so difficult to 222 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 4: tell this story when this is a person whose life 223 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: is obviously in a lot of turmoil. I get a 224 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 4: sense she's a person who's lived through a lot of pain. 225 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 4: I think that she was genuinely trying to have a 226 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: quiet and good life. And if you're going to live 227 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 4: in Australia, in a capital city, Perth's probably the place 228 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 4: to do it. She's going to appear in court now 229 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 4: as a result of this family violence restraining order charge, 230 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: and that, of course, is going to attract a lot 231 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 4: of media attention. That's going to be hard to watch. 232 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 4: It's going to be difficult for her, and it's going 233 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: to be quite the spectacle. 234 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: I think Virginia giuphrase Agent's initial response to this page 235 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: was to say in a statement that her intention had 236 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: been to post it in a more private way, perhaps 237 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: on a face book closed group, rather than publicly on Instagram. 238 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: What should we draw from that, given that the statement 239 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: is still there on Instagram. 240 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 4: I've been wondering if it hasn't been removed because Virginia 241 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 4: is so unwell. As far as we know, she's still 242 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 4: an impatient she may be under the influence of pretty 243 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 4: strong painkillers. She might not even be in a position 244 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: to communicate well with her spokesperson or pass on her passwords. 245 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 4: I don't know what to take from that. This is 246 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 4: a person who's obviously sick, or else she wouldn't have 247 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 4: been taken by ambulance to a hospital and she wouldn't 248 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 4: still be there. What her illness is we don't know. 249 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 4: But I know that public hospitals are not in the 250 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 4: habit of keeping people on the ward if they're well 251 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: enough to leave. 252 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: Ah Taylor is The Australian's wad Your Chief. You can 253 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: follow this developing story at the Australian dot com dot 254 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: au