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Speaker 1: Watching Paul Dempsey get down at Wolf's level and just

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Speaker 1: Hearing how they tie their own mental health journey and

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Speaker 1: glorious and I really loved the record. I've got sent

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Speaker 1: we pay the piper, so i'll be back after the break. Gooday,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the shows Better than Yesterday, helping you make

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Speaker 1: Oshi Ginsburg. I am a podcaster. I'm a best selling author.

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Speaker 1: I'm a husband, I'm a dad, I'm a stepdad. I'm

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Speaker 1: a doom metal enjoyer and underwater silicon gun applicant. I

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Speaker 1: Gabby sent a lovely note there. The episode about smart

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Speaker 1: It resonated with a lot of people. You can vite

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Speaker 1: it at Oshiginsburg dot com. Paul Dempsey and Burnard Fanning,

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Speaker 1: National Park. There is no Fanning Dempsey National Park, but

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Speaker 1: It's not what you think. I wanted to dance a lot.

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Speaker 1: So to as you're exploring like sonically. I was in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not like guitar driven, but there's guitar everywhere

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's beautiful as well because it means that,

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Speaker 1: And there's there's there's a time and a place for that. Totally.

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Speaker 2: the thing, and regardless of collaborating or not, the time

436
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: writing by myself is that's what I really treasure, and

437
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: that's what I think probably has kept me with some

438
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: perspective of what the world is.

439
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: Like when you are on stage now. I mean, obviously,

440
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: have you have your had chance to put a band

441
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: together and we're working through that theoretical band.

442
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got a band that haven't reased it.

443
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: Wow, that's good. So so when when you are on

444
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: stage now, you say that you've kind of got the

445
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: ability to kind of connect and be observing of the

446
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: moment a bit more. Yeah, I think so.

447
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 2: And I think in the early days, I was really

448
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: I was nervous because I just I wanted things to

449
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 2: go right, and I didn't allow myself to.

450
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: Be really freely in it.

451
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 3: Whereas now I enjoy.

452
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: Seeing other people enjoying it.

453
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: I guess I have a lot more kind of care

454
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: for the audience and the way they feel. But then

455
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: there's that really basic stuff like, Okay, these people bought

456
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: a ticket which was ninety nine bucks, They got a

457
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: babysitter which was another ninety nine bucks. They maybe had

458
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: to go to dinner, they had to get a taxi

459
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: that they're spending most people are spending two hundred bucks

460
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: ahead at least, you know. I mean, I'm probably living

461
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: in the nineties. But to get there to come and

462
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: see you, so you got to fucking show up, you know.

463
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: But I've always, I always always resented performers who were

464
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: grumpy on stage. I've never let that happen to me,

465
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: and I've always it's always pissed me off. And also

466
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: people who are really wasted on stage, I don't I

467
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: don't appreciate it.

468
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous.

469
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 4: No, you're wasting people's time and it's just respectful. It's

470
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 4: like you everything you just said, like people are choosing

471
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 4: to spend their time and their money and their energy

472
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 4: to come and be with you and hear you doing

473
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: music exactly, and that is like, like that's everything you

474
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: hoped for, right, That's everything I thought was just to

475
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: play music to people. So I mean the other thing too,

476
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 4: is that I also I want to have the best time.

477
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: I want to have a better time than anyone else. Yeah,

478
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 4: it's like, yes, it's on some level, it's like you're

479
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 4: going to work, but also like I chose to do

480
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 4: this because I love playing my guitar with other people

481
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: while they're playing instruments, and like, isn't this awesome? And

482
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: my aim is to actually have more fun than anybody

483
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 4: else there.

484
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And that's a really good point.

485
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: When I was in powder Finger, I wasn't for a

486
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: long time, I wasn't really enjoying the shows. I mean

487
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: I had a good time. It wasn't that I was

488
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 2: having a bad time. It was just that I wasn't

489
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: making the most of it.

490
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: But I loved soundcheck.

491
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: And most musicians hate sound check, but I loved it

492
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: because you're playing music with your friends in this great

493
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: place that's got an amazing sound system, and everything sounds unreal.

494
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: There's just no audience.

495
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that to me was I loved that element

496
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: of wow, that there was no audience. And I put

497
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 2: everything into soundcheck as well because I was loving it

498
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: so much.

499
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: I know people think I'm very strange for that. Same

500
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: with rehearsals. Yeah, I love rehearsing.

501
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: Wow, I love it.

502
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 2: I mean, what other thing is there to do than

503
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: be in a room making music with your friends.

504
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there is, It's the now, whether it's music

505
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: or not, I would say it's just being in that

506
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: state of creation and collaboration. When you get that communication

507
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: from a completely random input of tens, hundreds thousands of

508
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: people in both your cases, that adds. I've got goosebumps

509
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: just thinking about how that changes the situation. And prior

510
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: to COVID and all that, I never really thought about that.

511
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: Going to a gig. It was like, they're going to

512
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: play the song don't talk. This is my favorite part. Now.

513
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like, look at us here in this room together,

514
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: enjoying this thing, with this crew of people that is

515
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: never going to be assembled at the same place at

516
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: the same time. And there's something amazing. It's communion.

517
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: When it's really really working, everyone is in the same

518
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: everyone's entered the same little bubble. No one's thinking about

519
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 4: anything else. Everyone is just connected in a moment, in

520
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 4: a in a time and a place that yeah, that

521
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 4: will never be repeated, and that's incredibly special, and there's

522
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 4: really not that many other opportunities for that in the world.

523
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: I think, you know, people get something like that from sport,

524
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: when everyone's excited by the same tense close match or

525
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: whatever it is.

526
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: But butted, that's so true.

527
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, as opposed to I didn't fucking played

528
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: the million mile songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, waste the money.

529
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, No, it's a beautiful thing. And look, something

530
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 4: you were saying earlier made me think of that. I'm saying,

531
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 4: you know, how youth is wasted on the young. Yeah,

532
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: but I feel that, you know, we've been doing this

533
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 4: a really long time and we're not young anymore, but

534
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: we still have the opportunity and we still appreciate I

535
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 4: appreciate it more than ever now, like getting on stage

536
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 4: and playing and I used to. I used to get

537
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 4: the shits if the sound wasn't perfect or if someone

538
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 4: fucked up or whatever. You know, like and you you

539
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 4: worried about trying to make it too perfect. But I

540
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: feel like there's this I've entered, this beautiful time in

541
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 4: my career now where I understand the opportunity I still have,

542
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: and I just I don't have bad shows because.

543
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: Why would you.

544
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, something goes wrong, you just go get on with it.

545
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: It's funny, Yeah, you don't something.

546
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's sh it's just like that's what it

547
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: sounds like. Yeah, and I know what to do that

548
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: sounds bad. Change your brain, pull it out.

549
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, make the mental adjustment to keep going, and

550
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: just understand that. You know, you have a choice and

551
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: it's an opportunity, and you don't have to have a

552
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: bad show. You can choose not to have a bad show.

553
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 4: It's special when you get to that point.

554
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: You're describing what I think, and I often talk about it.

555
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: This is the one superpower that we have as humans

556
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: that if our brains are working correctly, we choose, We

557
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: choose how we relate to the thing that's in front

558
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: of us, and therefore we create what we have. When

559
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: I know this for a personal experience, even though I

560
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: knew I could choose, my brain couldn't do it, and

561
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: I was stuck. It was horrible and it's really powerful.

562
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: Drug out of it. Now you know this and the

563
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: way you relate to it, and just the way you

564
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: talk about it, because you know, I was talking to

565
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: you in connecting with you during that time, I remember

566
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: what the look in your eye was very different to

567
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: what it is now. Probably mind was as well. When

568
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: you talk to your kids about this idea, this idea

569
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: of well you know such and such just said to

570
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: you this at daycare. Well you know you could be

571
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: this work, But how do you describe it to them?

572
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 4: Really, just that you know there are things that you

573
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: can change and there are things that you can't change,

574
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 4: and getting upset about something that you can't change is

575
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: really wasted energy and doesn't make anything better. But if

576
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 4: there are things about it that, in a roundabout way,

577
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 4: you can change, whether it's your reaction to it, or

578
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: you can do something about the circumstances of whatever it

579
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: is that's upsetting you. Then focus on that. But yeah,

580
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: I think it's just really and I think even an

581
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 4: eight year old, my eight year old can understand what

582
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: she can't change, because it's pretty easy to explain you

583
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: can't do anything about that. What could you do about it?

584
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 4: And once you understand that you can't do anything about it,

585
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 4: then you need to move on or you're just banging

586
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 4: your head against a wall. And I think that's, yeah,

587
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: that's easy enough to it's another thing to do it. Yeah,

588
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 4: but you can certainly you can start talking about it.

589
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: You can have the conversation.

590
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay to have to be annoyed about it.

591
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 4: It's not so, it's not sure.

592
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the thing like, you can't control the situation,

593
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: but you can influence it.

594
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: That's right by how you respond.

595
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: And that's even even that My kids are fourteen and twelve,

596
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: and you know, gab their elder ones daughter picks on

597
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: the twelve year old and he keeps responding and I'm

598
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: just saying to him, if you ignore that, you're going

599
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: to have a much.

600
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: Better day, Right, despite what you don't say there's no audience,

601
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: no show. Yeah.

602
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: I mean that's the other thing too, is you can

603
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 4: you don't have to give oxygen. Yeah, you can just

604
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: let it. But you make a really important point as

605
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 4: well though, that yeah, you don't you never say to

606
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: your kids, like, it's not like you're saying, so stop

607
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 4: being upset. Yeah, Like you have to have those feelings

608
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: and understand why you're upset. But you know you so

609
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 4: it's okay to feel your feelings, but just understand when

610
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 4: you're either letting it first or you know, yeah, because

611
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: not moving on.

612
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: I mean, we're not really allowed to say it anymore,

613
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: but there's a reason why there's a word called sucking,

614
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: and when someone's being a silk, it's true, there's still sucking,

615
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: even though you're not really allowed to say that to

616
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: anybody anymore, stop being a silk.

617
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: But there are times.

618
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: When you're indulging in your own.

619
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: Self pity and it's fair enough to actually call it out.

620
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, if most sports were Australia, he would say, stop

621
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: being calling He's American, like he would ask me stop

622
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: throwing a fucking pity party mate. Yeah, really can't power now.

623
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: So it's a fucking pity party, because the way he

624
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: talks about it is that if we hold onto resentment,

625
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: we're usually holding onto it to justify shitty behavior. I'm

626
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: doing this because of like guys, not that it's like, well, really, yeah,

627
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't properteer your arms or leagues to

628
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: do the thing that just happened. You're in control of that,

629
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: but it's unfortunately you wasted on the young waste. So

630
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: this kind of awareness, you know, it's.

631
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: Much easier to just react. You know, it's always easier

632
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 4: to just have a reaction because something else made you

633
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 4: react to it. It's harder to be in charge of

634
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: that reaction.

635
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of scary the first time

636
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: you realize I can choose this, and then you start

637
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: to realize, oh, hang on a second.

638
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 4: I mean, like what you were saying before, though, like

639
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 4: like there are times where you can't and you know,

640
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: I remember that feeling of not being able to I

641
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: couldn't get out of bed, you know, for a year,

642
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 4: like you just you can't, you can't get up off

643
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: the floor. So there are times where that you know

644
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 4: that there's a neurochemical thing going on and it's hard

645
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 4: to be in control of that.

646
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: What would you say to people who just heard you

647
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: say that and either reminds me of my son, or

648
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: my wife or my mum. What would you say to

649
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: them about the person in their life that can't get

650
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: out of it?

651
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm obviously I've become a very pragmatic, practical

652
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: as much as I can be. So you just need

653
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: professional help at that point. You know, you you've everyone

654
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 4: hopefully has family and friends and loved ones, but they

655
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 4: can't always be the help you need, especially if you're

656
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 4: dealing with something that is a neurochemical condition. Choose it exactly.

657
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: You don't. You can't choose what's going on with your

658
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: brain chemistry, and you can't choose what might have might

659
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: be your genetic deal that you've got, you know, So

660
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 4: there's a point where you have to go, No, I

661
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: can't talk to my mates about this. So this isn't

662
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: a pub conversation, this isn't not even my family can

663
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: really help me with this, you know, I need Yeah,

664
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 4: I need a team.

665
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: H Yeah.

666
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: And you know, it took me a really long time

667
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 4: because I was really good at coping. I was really

668
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 4: really good at just getting on with it until I

669
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 4: wasn't and then you kind of then when yeah, you

670
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: can't get off the floor, or you can't explain to

671
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: your partner why you don't want to do anything, or

672
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 4: what are you just talking? Just seems like the hardest

673
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 4: thing in the world or whatever. You Yeah, eventually I

674
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 4: think you, yeah, you need the you need to bring

675
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 4: in the serious professional help.

676
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: You can't use a sick brain to think your way

677
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: out of the problems of a sick brain. That's like

678
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: trying to buy your own teeth. And it could be

679
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: hard though to realize, hang on, up until this point,

680
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: my ideas have managed to solve every one of my problems.

681
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: But my ideas aren't working.

682
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: And look how successful I've been, and look at you know,

683
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: everything's going.

684
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: Great, So why would I change this?

685
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 4: I've achieved everything else? Why can't I achieve this?

686
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: It can be often these things are thrust upon us

687
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: though everything works until it doesn't, And then when it doesn't,

688
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: you realize I've been standing on a Jenga tower. This hole. Yeah,

689
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: you have to kind of put it back together, which

690
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: is kind of tricky. How do you know you've got

691
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, you got you've got kids, you know,

692
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: Paul talked about that it's a practice, a daily practice

693
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: to kind of keep things on top, keep on top

694
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: of things. How do you keep on top of things?

695
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I trying to stay calm.

696
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: Is the is the most difficult thing.

697
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: I mean, the bickering side of things I find really

698
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: difficult to deal with because because you can see how

699
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: unnecessary it is. But well you you think that it's unnecessary,

700
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: but it's part of them forming their personalities as well

701
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: and working out what dominance and submission and all those

702
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 2: things are, you know, and when you're going too far

703
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: and which you know, when you're fourteen and twelve, you're very.

704
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: Reluctant to admit if you've gone too far.

705
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: It's like like we were talking about, it's because of

706
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 2: this that he did that, she did that, blah blah blah.

707
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm really guilty of losing my shit

708
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: as well. Like you know, I'd end up yelling at

709
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: my kids because it's such a pain in the arts.

710
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: So I mean, isn't that, come on, man, I've done

711
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: isn't that the reality?

712
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: Everybody?

713
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: Totally?

714
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: And I've met doctor Phil soon he got yelled at.

715
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, okay, yeah, fair enough, and you know,

716
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: not always proud of myself for doing it, but sometimes

717
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: it's what actually needs to happen.

718
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: Then you get the opportunity to model what an apology

719
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: looks like. Yeah. Yeah, and that's the that's the hardest thing.

720
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: It's certainly not I think you and I were kind

721
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: of Brisbane era, you know that we had a very

722
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: similar upbringing in you know, the kind of cultural version

723
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: of what fatherhood is. But now, the worst thing about

724
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: being a parent it's not the it's not the theme

725
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: songs that oh man, do we have to Can we

726
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: skip through the scheme song? Maybe? Shit? Except doctors that's

727
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: really good one. Yeah, yes, don't. They don't do what

728
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: you tell them. They do everything that you show them.

729
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh fuck, it's yeah, And you knin't

730
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: of have this opportunity there though, to go, Okay, well

731
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: I just saw you do something else I remember my

732
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: dad doing and the only reason that you've not really

733
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: met him, so the only reason you're doing that is

734
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: because you've seen me do it. Fuck Okay.

735
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting though, Like my dad was born in

736
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty six, right, so he'd be ninety eight if he.

737
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: Was alive now.

738
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 2: So he grew up in an era that was complete

739
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: and I was the youngest of my family and he

740
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: was the youngest of his of ten right, so, and

741
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: like my grandfather was born in eighteen eighty. Yeah, so

742
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 2: it's like the stretch back to these other times is massive.

743
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: And so my dad was like a classic.

744
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: Old school gentleman sort of thing, you know, like button down,

745
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: always had his hair brill creamed, had his teeth clean.

746
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he wasn't. He worked in the common bank.

747
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: He was not He was not like a high end

748
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: guy apple.

749
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

750
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: But I find myself now going back to his principles

751
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: because he was a very respectful person. He was very

752
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: he was generally very calm, quiet, good, good listener, all

753
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: that stuff. And that's and they're the kind of things

754
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: that I aspire to, you know, And they're they're just universal,

755
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: regardless of what era you live in, principles that you

756
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: can aspire to. There being calm, I mean, that's the

757
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: key to being able to assess what's actually happening in

758
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: the world, isn't it.

759
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: How do you find your way there?

760
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: At a blinks, I'm not there here, I'm nowhere near

761
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: it yet.

762
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: But I aspire to it. You know, do you have

763
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: something that you can use Paul if you find you

764
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: feel the thing in your body and you go, oh,

765
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: I need to downregulate.

766
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm you know, I'm a science nerd, always have been,

767
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 4: so I'm pretty good at zooming right out of our

768
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 4: solar system and galaxy and just appreciating the cosmic insignificance

769
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 4: of whatever the moment I'm going in that seems to

770
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: be so incredibly important, I can pretty quickly go it

771
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: isn't and the universe is indifferent.

772
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: I did all the sums the other day. We're currently

773
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: you and I. We're traveling at two hundred and thirty

774
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: kilometers per second right now through space, and we're seven

775
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five million kilometers from where we were

776
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: this time last year.

777
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: And every single atom in your body is mostly nothing.

778
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and the other thing I wear space with

779
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: ordering tenth anniversaries coming up, I am actually not the

780
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: same person she was when she married me.

781
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything's replaced.

782
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: There's only a few cells that are still there. Yeah.

783
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: The rest of it is all just peanut butter and

784
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: bananas and tofu.

785
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: Yeah. Because it's funny, like you were talking about Buddhism earlier,

786
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 4: and I, you know, I never got into Buddhism, but

787
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 4: I think that if you get enough into quantum physics,

788
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: you end up at Buddhism. Yeah, it's the same kind

789
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 4: of appreciation of Yeah, there is a sort of cosmic

790
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: indifference and time is you know, a concept, and that

791
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: really you can just you can appreciate that everything is

792
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: just a moment.

793
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: When it came to me, I just want to be clear,

794
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: I'm not a Buddhist.

795
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't want to present myself as that now.

796
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just appreciate a lot of the concepts.

797
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 4: And I am neither a Buddhist nor a quantum physicis no.

798
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: No. I was. I was twenty I was twenty four.

799
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: We were supposed to go on tour. I got the

800
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: time off work from the radio station, and the tour

801
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: fell through. So I had this ten days and I

802
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: went up to chen Rezig up behind you, mate, not

803
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: for passionate of the just the chen Rezig, the that's

804
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: up in the udlow there, and I just sat quietly

805
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: and talked with the numb every day. And I came

806
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: back very different. I'm not a Buddhist, but I'd never

807
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: really thought about the world like that, and I've really

808
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: appreciated that kind of outlet. I listened to Sam Harris

809
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: for a bit. It's got a really good app Yeah,

810
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: sitting disorder and waking up oh man, Yeah, the Leitch's

811
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: man sit there my sort of listening to Alan Watts

812
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: late at night. Yeah, it's really.

813
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 4: Fucking good man.

814
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: Well listen. When I've heard you guys doing a record

815
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: and I knew you were going to go play, I thought, yeah,

816
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: that'd be that'd be a fun tour and I'm not

817
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: going to lie. I was like, is this going to

818
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: be like I don't know, Like let's say I don't know,

819
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: like Dave Grohl and where he's still alive, Dave Grohl

820
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: and Tom Petty are going to do album together and

821
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, arch tops and gretches at fifty paces. And

822
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: then I put the record on the other night, I

823
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: was like, this gig's going to be fucking great. I'm

824
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: going to dance the whole time.

825
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good energy, It's it's upbeat, you know,

826
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: it's it is going to be fun. It's gonna be

827
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: fun to play and hopefully fun to watch.

828
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: Because that was the premise at the beginning. That's what

829
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: we said, no matter what we're doing, we're going to

830
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: have a good time. We've got to make sure we

831
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: eat really nice food, do as much traveling as we can.

832
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: The music's obviously at the heart of it, but all

833
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: that ancillary stuff is really important for how much you

834
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: enjoy it, you know. So, and especially because there was

835
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: a year and a half of us doing it by digitally,

836
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: by mail, multiple dropbox, setting each other ideas and.

837
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: We started in lockdown, so you know, we're like we

838
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 4: were a year and a half into you know, exchanging

839
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: song ideas and stuff before we could even get together.

840
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: And then when it was when we had enough songs

841
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: and it was time to actually record something, it's like

842
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 4: we hadn't even spent that much time together. So it

843
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 4: was like, all right, let's let's go on a road trip.

844
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 4: And you know, that's how we ended up in Norway.

845
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 4: We were both I mean, we were both in Europe anyway,

846
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 4: so it wasn't a huge leap, but we were like, well,

847
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: there's this incredible studio on an island off the coast

848
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: of the west coast of Norway. Let's check in there.

849
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: For a week and actually like, you know, be in

850
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 4: a studio together and you know, really try and make

851
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: something properly.

852
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: See what it sounds like when we actually get into

853
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: a studio and work together rather than demo right and forth,

854
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: you know.

855
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: And did guys from a Mono mask drop by just

856
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: to check on things?

857
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 4: That would have been nice them or Aha would have

858
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 4: been nice somebody to show up and say hi.

859
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: But what was his name?

860
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 4: We did go to We flew into Bergen and I

861
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 4: did make Bernard come to the record store. Appleon were

862
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 4: like Dark Throne and Mayhem, all those bands like hung out.

863
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: So that was part of my little pilgrimage.

864
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 3: See and I know nothing about that death metal scene

865
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: right or black.

866
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Metal scene, but we were.

867
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, this is going to be awesome,

868
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: and we were kind of I was like kind of

869
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: getting ready. Walk around the corner and it's full candy,

870
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: like this beautiful mid century looking place. I was like,

871
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: I was ready for a total dungeon with you know,

872
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: dudes with chains coming out of their.

873
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: Eyebrows and shit, and get in there.

874
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: The first record I see in the collection Simon and Guffer,

875
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: it's like this death metal things bullshit change.

876
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like the Piggery and Byron Bay

877
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: it's now a vegan restaurant. It kind of reverse Kara

878
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: on the place, Like.

879
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: We listened to a little bit on the road trip

880
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: go driving through. That didn't last a long time listening

881
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: to it, but I get it. It's like it's meant

882
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 2: to push you into a place that is not very healthy.

883
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: It's all that anger and angst and frustration. You know.

884
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 4: A lot of that I mean, and a lot of

885
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 4: the music I listened to when I was fourteen years old.

886
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 4: It was like how extreme can you get it? You know,

887
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 4: the more extreme it was, the more I was into

888
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 4: it because it was and I do too. Sometimes it's

889
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: like like I need that, you know, just that blast

890
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: of something. It's like someone's like sand blasting my brain

891
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 4: and getting all getting all the out again. Yeah exactly.

892
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: I know what it is now. I've been to enough

893
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: psychiatrists to understand that, Oh it's me seeking a certain

894
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: level of stimulation and for other people it's so much

895
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: it's too much for me. It to me it's like, yeah,

896
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: I can be quiet now because I have everything. There's

897
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: so much going on, I have no time to think

898
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: at the seventeen other. I've got three songs in my

899
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: head right now talking to both of you. That's just

900
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: the brain that I've got.

901
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 4: There are evenings in our house where I will, like,

902
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 4: you know, spend ages like preparing a really beautiful dinner

903
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: for Steph and the kids sit down, have a really

904
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 4: nice dinner and you know, lovely, and then as soon

905
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 4: as I've sort of cleared the table, they'll like go

906
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 4: into our room and like start watching something together or whatever,

907
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 4: while I spend two hours doing the dishes, closing the

908
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 4: doors to the living room and cranking like napalm death

909
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 4: while I just do the dishes, and it's just like

910
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 4: I find it peaceful. It's clearing my head. It's and

911
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: it's like a gurney to my brain, it's and I

912
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 4: just and they they the kids might walk in to

913
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 4: the room to get a glass of milk or whatever,

914
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: and they're just like, you know, Dad's listening to grind

915
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 4: Call and they know why I'm doing it, and you know,

916
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 4: they think it's kind of funny or whatever.

917
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: But that's mowing for me. Sure, Oh you have a

918
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 1: ride on. What are we talking?

919
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: Just we go pretty small yards brigs and Stratton.

920
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: No, it's just some crappy old one that like roverstyle

921
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: four stroke four stroke.

922
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not knocking around with two strake. You kidding me.

923
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: There's something I mean, I know it's probably there's electric

924
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: ones now, but there's you just haven't about. Yeah, there's

925
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: something about that special mix. Yeah.

926
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: Look next, I'm with all of the devices in our house.

927
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: We try to, you know, wait till they die. We

928
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: moved into the house and there was a dishwasher there.

929
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: It took seven years for this piece of shit to die,

930
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: but we'd stuck with it. And I'm doing the same

931
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: with my ma, and I'm going to go electric next time.

932
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: But when you know, at that time of year or so,

933
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: the summertime where you live, if you don't get on

934
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: that lawn after a rain, oh yeah, it's bro. You're

935
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: going to have to call it the sneak four stroke.

936
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: You need the power. How long are you out there for?

937
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: It takes me about I mean, it could take me

938
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: half an hour. It's the actual mowing. I'd usually like.

939
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: To stretch it into an hour and a half two

940
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: hour session, like just a bit of pottering around, reorganizing tools.

941
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: Where the rate goes whatnot. As a young man, did

942
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: you often wonder what the fuck is what are we

943
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: doing in the shed?

944
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: No?

945
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: No, because I had Bernard's mowing service in Tuan when

946
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: I was growing up, so I was right into that.

947
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: That's that's probably what it is.

948
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: It's like taking me back a little bit to that,

949
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: to that time being a kid. But at the time

950
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: I didn't have you know, air pods. Yeah, but at

951
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: best I had some really shitty, you know, Sony style

952
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: over the over the ear ones where you were still

953
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: mostly hearing moa.

954
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

955
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: Where it's those moments that where I mean, I don't

956
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: know you, but that's where ideas show up. When I'm

957
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: always doing something else. It's never when I'm all right

958
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: here I am, I'm ready to write Yeah, yeah, the guitar.

959
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: Just a moment away to say that if you're enjoying

960
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: this episode and there's someone you know that might really

961
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: like it, maybe they like Something's Kate, maybe they like

962
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: powder Finger, maybe they like hearing do three dudes talk?

963
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: Just share this show. That really helps us incredibly New

964
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: people listening to the show helps us enormously. So do

965
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: just playing commercials, which we need to do to keep

966
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: the lights on back in a minute. What would you

967
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: say to people about whether they're you know, they're not

968
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: trying to write a collaborative album with a longtime friend

969
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: who's musically similar, but now we're drag times being different.

970
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: They might be trying to think of, like what am

971
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: I going to do to create a meal tonight? Where

972
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: should we go on holiday? Creativity is and everything? What

973
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: would you say to people about the process of creativity

974
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: and you know, the idea of like I have to

975
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: come up with something that we're told in at school,

976
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: all right, sit down creative writing, go yeah, yeah, might

977
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: not be it.

978
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: There's kind of two sides to it, I think, because

979
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: there is an element of it where you do have

980
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 2: to sit down at nine o'clock in the morning and go, okay,

981
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: today I'm creative writing, and you creative write until four

982
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon and absolutely nothing comes out of it,

983
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: and then Tuesday you get it in there at nine

984
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning.

985
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: And you do it all day.

986
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: And that's for me, that's the process of writing songs

987
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 2: is very much about whittling.

988
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: Away at ideas.

989
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: So there is definitely an element to that of just

990
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: being there just showing up and actually going this is

991
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: what I'm working on. And I always have two or

992
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 2: three songs kind of spinning plates at the same time.

993
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: So I usually would work on something for a.

994
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: Little while, and then when I'm running out of steam,

995
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: I just move on to another thing that's in another

996
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 2: key or a different style of song, and.

997
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: Do that for a while and then go back.

998
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: That might end up that second idea might end up

999
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: morphing somehow into the first idea becomes the bridge or

1000
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: whatever what that first idea was. So you've got to

1001
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: show up. But I mean with regards to what are

1002
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: we having for dinner, just being open trying to be

1003
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: open to anything is.

1004
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 4: To have an antenna up all the time. Yeah, No,

1005
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 4: I like everything Bernard said. You have to. Like the

1006
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 4: ideal if you have the luxury of time, is to like, yeah,

1007
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 4: set that time where you show up and you like

1008
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 4: build the landing strip and you know nothing might land,

1009
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 4: but you've at least you're paving it. But then, yeah,

1010
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 4: the other part, I mean you mentioned there were two parts,

1011
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 4: and I think, if I guess correctly, I think the

1012
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 4: other part is that that doesn't also mean though, that

1013
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 4: you can't have great ideas when you're standing in the

1014
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: line at the checkout, when you have that antenna up.

1015
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 4: And it's because, like you shouldn't underestimate the back of

1016
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 4: your brain, all the thinking you're doing that you're not

1017
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 4: thinking about. And when you do put in all that

1018
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: time where apparently nothing happens, I actually think that later

1019
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: on something comes of it because it floats around back there,

1020
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 4: and there's stuff going on when you're asleep, well when

1021
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 4: you're not thinking about it, and then a couple of

1022
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 4: things will coalesce, and it's because of it's because of

1023
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 4: the work you did where you thought you got nowhere,

1024
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 4: and it's because of the standing in the line half

1025
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 4: thinking about something else. And you know, so they all

1026
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 4: work together in strange ways. So you shouldn't think that

1027
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 4: you need If you can't set aside eight hours, then

1028
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 4: you're not going to get it done. You can you

1029
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: can achieve amazing things in standing in an elevators unconscious,

1030
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 4: because something is just there.

1031
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: That's sub conscious amazing. When I learned how to snowboard,

1032
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: I have to learn how to ski. I was I

1033
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: linked a turn together like on a Monday, and then

1034
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: I went to sleep that night and I woke up

1035
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: the next morning like I fell over it all day long.

1036
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: The next morning I woke up and I could turn Yeah,

1037
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: because at night my brain had gone, okay, buddy, look

1038
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: you figured it out, knee toe Pothand the next morning

1039
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, yeah there is and I

1040
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: hadn't deliberately done it, just my brain had gone, win

1041
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: it just happening here. Yes, we'll sort it out. And

1042
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: that's you have to leave that space also for your subconsciously,

1043
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, look at other people doing it to observe.

1044
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 4: That ild saying sleep on it. I mean there's there's

1045
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 4: a lot. There's a lot that it's because I.

1046
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: Try for a long time to not do any of

1047
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: the sleeping part. Yeah, it was a wake for it. Yeah,

1048
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: I was really awake. Yeah. There was one thing I

1049
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: always you know, and as a story I tell often,

1050
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: is that at the time that I played cricket with

1051
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: powder Finger and Coldplay. Yeah, a year of that game

1052
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: was that game. And it's something I've always loved about

1053
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: you burn. It is your true just adoration of sport.

1054
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does it do for you? Well, I played

1055
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: a lot of sport when I was a kid. As

1056
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: soon as the rugby league grand Vinyl finished, it was cricket,

1057
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: so then we played cricket until cricket finished, till the

1058
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: Sheffield Shields Final.

1059
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: Cricket that finished, and then it was rugby league.

1060
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: But we cheated a little bit and played tennis in

1061
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: summer as well, cheating on cricket.

1062
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: But honestly that's what we did. We just played so

1063
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: much sport. We watched heaps of sport.

1064
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: But you know, I was playing piano at the same time,

1065
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 3: and we love music.

1066
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: I had ten years older brother that was a really

1067
00:54:59,120 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: good cricketer.

1068
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: He was playing first grade cricket, played Queensland Colts cricket

1069
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: and all this stuff, so that I guess also, you know,

1070
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: that was.

1071
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: When he was eighteen.

1072
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: He was so he would have been your god. Yeah,

1073
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 2: that's right, I was eight and I just cricket has

1074
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: been really has run very strongly through our family. So

1075
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: it's probably the one of the key things in my life.

1076
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: Cricket, I guess. Tell me about the Brisbane Band Cricket competition.

1077
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so that was in the nineties, so

1078
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 2: run by Chopper from Chopper Division. We played up until

1079
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: I think maybe internationalists, but then we were just touring

1080
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: too much and we just couldn't be there and we

1081
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: were in the web Fingers.

1082
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: So Webster which my brother.

1083
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: Managed that band, and Powderfinger joined forces and like old

1084
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: local Tawong ring Ins and all that sort of stuff

1085
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 2: as well. So it was just every Sunday, I think

1086
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: it was twenty five overs something like that, and the

1087
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: varying level like Triple Z with like the stoners of

1088
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: the of the camp, you know, they were always they

1089
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: were drinking beer and getting stoned on the field and

1090
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: chop A division were really serious and there was one

1091
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: other side that kept. They ended up bringing in a

1092
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: guy who played for India be Out Yeah, and he

1093
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: got one hundred off about twenty balls and it was

1094
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: just like fuck this.

1095
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: My youngest brother until very recently, I think he still

1096
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: actually has my my youngest brother plays in the Zoo bonus.

1097
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, I think.

1098
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 2: That might have mutated out of the TRIPLESZ right possibly,

1099
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: but yeah, but that didn't arrive until after we were

1100
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 2: in the pretty early days of the camp.

1101
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: There's a book. I wrote the forward for the book

1102
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: about it.

1103
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: Chopper had It's like all the stats from the games

1104
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: and stuff.

1105
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: It's very niche. I just love this because there was

1106
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: something about that what happened in Brisbane in that time. Yeah,

1107
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: you from Melbourne, That's just what Melbourne was. But we're

1108
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: talking like we came out of this literal cultural drought.

1109
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: If you read Pig City, it was like cops would

1110
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: beat people at gigs. It was fucking horrifying. And then

1111
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: suddenly we just exploded into this thing that was seen. Yeah,

1112
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: fucking felt freeing and joyful. Do do you get involved

1113
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: in sport with your kids? Do you?

1114
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: My son is a mad soccer player, like, really really

1115
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: into it.

1116
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: It is fun watching your kids play sport.

1117
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: We're really lucky. There's a group of parents.

1118
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: That say that he's been playing there for six or

1119
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: seven years now, and there's a group of parents that

1120
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: are really cool and fun. So it's fun to go

1121
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: and be part of that as well, you know, watching

1122
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: them fail and succeed and all that sort of stuff.

1123
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I've I think sport team sport in particular

1124
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 2: is really good for kids, regardless of the level they're

1125
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: playing at, because it does give you a sense of

1126
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: what it's like to cooperate, and it sets you up

1127
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: for something like being in a band where you've got

1128
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: to where you've got to or work in a work

1129
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 2: environment or whatever it is. You know that you have

1130
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: to account for other people's strengths and weaknesses and those

1131
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: sorts of things. So I think there's a lot to

1132
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: learn from sport. Of course, it can become too competitive,

1133
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: and especially now the all the academization of sport and

1134
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff, where things are taken very

1135
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: seriously from a very young age. And we we, like

1136
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: I said, we played all the sports, We played everything,

1137
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: you know, and whereas now there's this kind of slip

1138
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: streaming where you know, if you're a tennis player, you

1139
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: play tennis all year and you don't get that variety.

1140
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: There's got to be somewhere between that and we don't

1141
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: keep score, Yeah, because how are you ever going to

1142
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: learn to fail? Yeah? Because that for me, that was

1143
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: a big part of getting to where I am is

1144
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: like learning to be okay with not getting it right.

1145
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we would think the coaches usually aren't

1146
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 4: happy with yeah.

1147
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1148
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: And you know, we went to the same school and

1149
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: we traditionally it was like a rugby school. It was

1150
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: really good at rugby, but it was really shit at

1151
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: everything else. So cricket I think I played five years

1152
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: of cricket, so I would have played fifty something games

1153
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: for the school. I think we won two, So I

1154
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: was very used to failing.

1155
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: When you're doing these gigs, like to your kids care

1156
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: at all.

1157
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: They're starting to enjoy it more now. Yeah, they both

1158
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 2: did decent musicians and both seem pretty talented, so they

1159
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: never really did give a shit. They're more interested in

1160
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: whether they're getting a backstage pass than anything than the

1161
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: concept itself.

1162
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 1: You know.

1163
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, our kids are also musical, our songs, like playing

1164
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 4: piano and guitar and you know, pretty good singer. But

1165
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 4: they're actually both more interested in acting. And they've been

1166
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 4: doing a bit of that. You know, they've been going

1167
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 4: to these theater workshops every weekend for years now, and

1168
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 4: they've landed a couple of little roles and they're really

1169
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 4: into that. And our sign in particular, you know, he's

1170
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 4: just turned thirteen. But he surprises me how serious and

1171
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 4: how committed he is to it, and like, you know,

1172
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 4: when there's time to do an audition something like that,

1173
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 4: you know, the hours that he puts into it. I'm like, okay,

1174
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 4: you mean it. You're serious about it?

1175
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: Is it surprising? When you were thirteen and you were

1176
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: trying to figure stuffound on the guitar.

1177
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 4: No, I was like that. I was completely obsessive. But

1178
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,479
Speaker 4: it's difficult to relate to because I've never had any

1179
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 4: interest in acting. It's a completely different mindset that.

1180
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: You tell stories. Mate.

1181
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I yeah, I think I would be a

1182
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 4: terrible actor.

1183
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: But like I saw when I did Idle, there was

1184
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: seven seasons that I did it, and for every one

1185
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: person that made it through to the twelve, we see

1186
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: a thousand all right. Of those thousand, probably nine hundred

1187
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: and fifty really good, Yeah right, yeah, yeah, And they

1188
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: would go like, how come I can see this and

1189
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: I end up having this conversation with kids and didn't

1190
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: want it. You wouldn't want to leave being so heartbroken,

1191
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: even though at the time that kind of television people watched,

1192
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: like the shut and photer of it. Yeah, And I

1193
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: would say to them, look, yeah, it's there's a difference

1194
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: between hitting the notes and making me believe what you're singing.

1195
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: So when you know I hear something with the Kate song,

1196
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: I fucking believe what you're singing because you're connecting with

1197
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: the emotion in it. You know, you watch twenty Feet

1198
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: from Stardom. There's a reason those people never hear because

1199
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: they couldn't connect here to Yeah.

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01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's different when you're writing it. When

1201
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 4: you've written something and that that is coming from you know,

1202
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 4: a deep place within yourself, then you can't not mean it.

1203
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 4: You fake that. So yeah, I think that's different to yeah,

1204
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 4: performing something that isn't necessarily your own expression, but.

1205
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: You can't also smith that.

1206
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 2: To get into this position that Paul and I are

1207
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: in and that you're in, there is a lot of

1208
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: luck involved, a lot of being in the right place

1209
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: at the right time, meeting the right people and all

1210
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: that stuff. There's the idea when people like feel incredibly

1211
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 2: rewarded by winning an Aria or some shit like that,

1212
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,479
Speaker 2: you know, like that idea that they have triumphed over

1213
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: all of this adversity adversity. It's there's probably half of

1214
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 2: it is being in the right place at the right time,

1215
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 2: but it's also being ready, yes, that when that step comes,

1216
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: you know where you go from playing at the Orient

1217
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: to playing at Metropolis to then playing a support at

1218
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: Festival Hall or whatever, and every time you've got to

1219
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: be good enough to be able to take the step

1220
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: you have to have done the work before the actual

1221
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: situation arrives. But you make your own luck in that sense,

1222
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 2: which go back to what we talked about with you earlier.

1223
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: That's the part you can.

1224
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 4: Control exactly, being prepared and having, like Bernard just said,

1225
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 4: having put in all the prior work so that should

1226
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 4: the opportunity arise, you are absolutely ready to seize it,

1227
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 4: you know. Just like we were saying before about writing,

1228
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 4: which is something that's done in private by yourself without

1229
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 4: anybody watching. You still have to do all that work,

1230
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 4: sitting there for hours seemingly achieving nothing, so that when

1231
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 4: you are standing in the check outline and something coalesces

1232
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 4: in your brain, you're ready to grab it because you've

1233
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 4: been sort of secretly watching, Like you know, Grasshopper, there's

1234
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 4: always a part of your brain that is just ready

1235
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 4: to snatch something that has been just dating back there.

1236
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: I also kind of feel like, because I often cannibalize

1237
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: a lyric or something from a song that I might

1238
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 2: have written in the two thousands, you know, like early

1239
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: two thousands or whatever, and I kind of feel like

1240
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 2: when one of those up, it's because it's good enough,

1241
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: rather than like going through my notebook going.

1242
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: Oh what was I writing in July twenty eleven, you.

1243
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 4: Know, which is also why I burn. Yeah, notebooks say

1244
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 4: they're gone. Yeah, but anything that was in there that

1245
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 4: deserves to be remembered will presumably get remembered. Yeah, And

1246
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 4: if it didn't, then there's a reason it didn't. And

1247
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 4: I don't want to carry all that shit around. I

1248
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 4: don't want to. I don't want to even want the

1249
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 4: temptation of going back, going over stuff. It's kind of like, no,

1250
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 4: you have to back yourself that there are other ideas

1251
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 4: out there that you will always have, ideas you don't

1252
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 4: need to go back, and you know, yeah, you have

1253
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 4: to sort of you have to believe in yourself that

1254
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 4: anything worth remembering is in there somewhere, and if not,

1255
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 4: there's other ideas in your future that you just keep chasing.

1256
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 4: You know.

1257
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how lovely it's mean to have

1258
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: you both in my home. I've been looking forward to

1259
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: this way to dance at your gig. You play the

1260
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: nmar Yeah fucking cool.

1261
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1262
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: That was Fanning Dempsey National Park aka Bernard Fanning and

1263
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: Paul Dempsey. The single is the Deluge. It's a title

1264
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: track I'll put the link in the show notes god

1265
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: and see the tour the links there as well. Those

1266
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: guys are great. It's going to be a really fun show,

1267
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: a super fun show. I'll see you there. If you

1268
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: want to get a touch, Oshiginsburg dot com. That's where

1269
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: you can find me. That's where you find every episode

1270
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: we've ever done. Thanks so much for being here. This

1271
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: episode was brought to you by Andy Maher on audio

1272
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: post production, Beck Syed on video post production, Toe Hyder

1273
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: on music. Our producer is Bree Steele, and Osher's executive

1274
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: function assistant is Monica Chapman. For every episode ever. To

1275
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,479
Speaker 1: get on the mailing list or to get in touch,

1276
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,600
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