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Speaker 1: We have a friend of the podcast, Short Side and

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Speaker 1: Advantage Line enthusiasts.

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Speaker 2: Here and four and there I was. I was ready

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Speaker 2: to retire years ago. He's my number one big and

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Speaker 2: I'll play without the great players. I was burning the

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Speaker 2: candle at both ends, and I think eventually the candle

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Speaker 2: blows out. It's fine tingly you just I've seen Jared

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Speaker 2: Boyd Graves passing out Huka at that time, as everyone knows,

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Speaker 2: the environment of mandling was pretty tense.

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Speaker 1: Now, what were you saying about disciplining kids?

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Speaker 2: What was that Fozzy bring its loiter loitering out the

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Speaker 2: front of your house before.

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Speaker 1: He was Fozzy just message me, he goes, I'm out

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Speaker 1: the front. Look out the front. There's no one there.

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Speaker 1: Look he's about six.

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Speaker 3: Doors up, stand on paintings, looking through a window with

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Speaker 3: his pants down.

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Speaker 1: I go, fo and he goes, didn't you say seven?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're at the front of seventy seven?

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Speaker 2: Brother?

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Speaker 1: Of course, we have a friend of the podcast, Short

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Speaker 1: Side and Advantage Line enthusiasts here and for and thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on for us to be not far down

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Speaker 1: the road anymore?

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Speaker 2: Are I just a d wine?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: How long that take you to get here?

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Speaker 2: A couple of minutes.

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Speaker 1: You're still late.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us next time, will Yeah?

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Speaker 4: How you mean for Z.

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Speaker 3: You're enjoying the retirement, mate.

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Speaker 2: Loving it may Yeah, Yeah, I was. I was ready

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Speaker 4: Yeah, years ago.

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Speaker 2: Hanging on for dear life.

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Speaker 1: I was about to ask you that because I've just

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Speaker 1: said short side of enthusiasts. I think everybody when they

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Speaker 1: thought of here and Forum back in the day, everyone

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Speaker 1: used to use the example like, you know, go deep

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Speaker 1: into the line, just like here and Foreign. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to tell the listeners what are the effects of

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Is your body just ye, constant pain?

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Speaker 2: I'm actually not too bad, believe it or not, but

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid to stop training, like I can do nothing

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Speaker 2: because if I do nothing, yeah, I think I last

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Speaker 3: So I play with a guy called Robbie McCormack and

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Speaker 3: Moth actually very similar to you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you there, color, you got the dog.

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Speaker 4: I'm just juggling with the an audio.

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Speaker 3: And mate, Moth did he broke his leg and dislocated

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Speaker 3: it in compound fracture like the most horrific thing. And

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Speaker 3: the doctor said, mate, you're gonna be lucky to walk

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Speaker 3: again end up playing Origin nine months later. But I

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Speaker 2: I'm okay, yeah, No, I feel very similar mate, Like

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Speaker 2: I I'm very active, still get up most morning's train. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, man. Why is that fun?

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Speaker 4: What do you put your body through?

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Speaker 1: Mate? What about the Because we were down at the

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Speaker 1: you got a cricketing background because you nearly you nearly

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I didn't mind getting out there the other day.

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Speaker 4: At Cliffe, which was fucking true. It's amazing player.

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Speaker 3: look oftentimes talk to the manly boys about this. A

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Speaker 1: It was a great wedding. It was I was a

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Speaker 2: Well you Turbot just he can't shed a tear.

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Speaker 3: Turnoi Robocot saw him in the press conference with I mean,

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Speaker 1: He is literally emotionless.

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Speaker 1: When because me and you were sitting next to each

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Speaker 4: Mate.

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Speaker 3: How's how's like in retirement coaching? How you find that

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Speaker 2: Mate loving it? Yeah, yeah, really loving it, enjoying being

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Speaker 2: it's a club that I care about. I've had a

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Speaker 4: Were you born in New Zealand?

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Speaker 1: Well where were you born there?

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Speaker 4: Life?

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Speaker 2: Where were you there?

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Speaker 4: Did you two idiots?

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Speaker 3: Follows like, so you're old man. He was head of

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Speaker 3: Walmart in America. He was yep, runs in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Now he's left in New Zealand. He did run in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. Yeah right, yeah, free flights, no free flights.

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Speaker 4: So that's people know.

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Speaker 4: Let alone, let alone in.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's can we get this dog. This dog is

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Speaker 1: derailed to start this podcast, she was climbing all over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We're going to keep going to keep your headphones on. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe we don't. We don't bog down over a dog.

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Speaker 2: And let's not stop them for Maddie and let's.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's be honest, better chemistry. Can you actually run

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Speaker 1: as through while he's not ye first interaction with Matthew

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Speaker 2: Mate. I remember coming like down to this local park here,

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Speaker 2: what's it called Colorada? It's a local park. I remember

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Speaker 2: so my older brother Liam Jesus made you really brought

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Speaker 4: So that was the agreement.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, what the fuck am I going to?

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Speaker 4: Mate.

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Speaker 3: But you know, and I that's that's part of everyone

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Speaker 3: But oftentimes you'll get your halves. You know, you might

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Speaker 4: I think we all learned better that way.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it was huge for me, Like I wasn't a

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Speaker 1: Because it's funny, like when you when you just say that,

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Speaker 1: Okay, tell us about Joey then as a code well.

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Speaker 2: He was brilliant. He was brilliant because Desi signed Joey

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Speaker 2: Daily would say the same as me, mate, like incredibly

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Speaker 3: It's every it's everything in football, yeah everything.

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Speaker 1: What about him as a person, Yeah, brilliant because because

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Speaker 4: Maybe you may.

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Speaker 1: Have even left me only at this before this time,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that never leaves me that Joey's ability to be

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Speaker 1: Would you'd be like, oh, because you never want to

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Speaker 4: What was the life I was coming?

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Speaker 3: You come into a manly side that was really about

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Speaker 2: It was awesome, like it was brilliant. Yeah, an experience

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Speaker 2: Well, you see, I had come in about a year

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Speaker 2: the NRL team as well alongside me. But Trent got

445
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 2: offered a really good deal from Canterbury at that time,

446
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 2: and the club had a decision to make whether they

447
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: hold on to Trent and risk losing Daily, or whether

448
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 2: they sort of allow Trent to take the big money

449
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: off of from Canterbury and put all their eggs in

450
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: one basket with Daily. And I think in the end

451
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: they decided that Trent was going to go to Canterbury

452
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: and they would invest in Daily long term, and yeah,

453
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 2: he was ready. So there was that little layover period

454
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 2: that you're talking about. We didn't quite come in exactly.

455
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 3: The time, whether by a design or by accident. The

456
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 3: way the team was structured, like Dez could not have

457
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 3: done a better job. So on the left side, you

458
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: got yourself and your game is threatening the line, getting

459
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 3: right up into the coal face and looking to put

460
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: your back through it. And he had Anti what out side,

461
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 3: just what the doctor ruled exactly well. On the other side,

462
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: Dali at that point was essentially a runner of the football,

463
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 3: not so much a Vanessa, and he had Glenn Stewart

464
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 3: and he's outside. So while Fozz would take the ball

465
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: all the way the cold face, Dali was in a

466
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 3: situation where basically he fed the ball earlier to Glenn

467
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 3: or run the football just like it was. It was

468
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 3: just perfect for how you bokes played your spot.

469
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: On, Maddie, And it would have been really hard previewing

470
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 2: us into games because they were two opposite edges that

471
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: we had. Like on the right side, like you said,

472
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: he had Daily Glenn Stewart, Jamie Lyon and they were

473
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 2: they were all finesse weren't they. They were all they

474
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: had that ability to be able to play with tempo

475
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 2: and sort of try and beat you with the skill

476
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: and things like that. And then on the left as

477
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 2: you touched on there was myself what male Steve Matteye

478
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 2: at times, tiny will and it was just a more

479
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: direct edge. It wasn't like straight up and down aggressive,

480
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 2: you know, going at you constantly. So yeah, it was.

481
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 2: It was really competitive. Actually, I remember those days when

482
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 2: we do left on right at training and it was

483
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: just all on because both edges just wanted to be

484
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: the better edge. You don't see that too often in

485
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: this day and age where the edges get ultra competitive,

486
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: but when we went up against one another at training

487
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: like left v. Right, it was it was.

488
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: Imagine like the reps you get defensively like and with

489
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: the footage because you're you're attacking a really good defensive

490
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: edge too. Like that's probably an underestimated aspect of how

491
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: like good your side end up being because at training

492
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: every day you got an elite left and right edge.

493
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: It's a representative left and right edge level, and you're

494
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: going at each other every day trying to get one.

495
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 3: Arm playing both sides.

496
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: I imagine you get the game day and you're coming

497
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: up a like defense must felt easier times she was young,

498
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: they said, just nothing compared to what we face.

499
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,239
Speaker 2: The Yeah, that's exactly what it was like. Training was

500
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: so intense and so competitive that when you got to

501
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: game day.

502
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: Was Glenna Stewart was he was gifted in the right edge.

503
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 4: He was thirteen at that stage.

504
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: He was out on the right edge.

505
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 4: Jesus.

506
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a beautiful player. Sometimes when you get that

507
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: ball early off Dally, he'd go to the line and

508
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 3: he'd have Jamie lyon short or that tight little ball

509
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: out the back of his brother and he.

510
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 4: Could kick too.

511
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: You've put one behind the behind the centers.

512
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: Too, mate. Yeah, and that's what I'm saying around Me

513
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: and Daily were really fortunate to come into a sidelight

514
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: that that was at the peak of their powers, and

515
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: so many established Red players. I've been a young half.

516
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: You know, Daily had admitted himself having gleaning outside him

517
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: and I had what now and Steve Maddy you just

518
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: you just had that ability to be yourself made. It

519
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: probably helped us long term.

520
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: Did you you see young hars coming now like they're

521
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: they're not really there's not many footy had halves anymore,

522
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: Like they don't come in. They kind of have like

523
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: their own lives outside of footy, and they don't. Sometimes

524
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: you'll introduce them to an older player and they go, oh,

525
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 1: did he used to play footy? Like they don't know

526
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: you and chas both footy like through and through footy

527
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: families just love rugby league. Young bloke's coming on that

528
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: side and he's just pinching yourselfs massively.

529
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just love talking footy. Wanted to be a sponge,

530
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: wanted to soak it up. Mat I probably annoyed the

531
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: older blokes around me, try and ask them so many

532
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: questions about their game and how to improve and things

533
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: like that. But you're right, you don't see it too

534
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 2: often in this day and age. You still get the

535
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: occasional one that comes through that that's obsessed with footy,

536
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: but you don't see too.

537
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 3: Some of the base, which about gifty but like if

538
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: you talk about you know, as far as gifted footballers

539
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: like Jamie Lyon, like honestly like James Green. I remember

540
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 3: the first time seeing him and it was an under

541
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: twenty one twenty one's game. We're playing at Newcastle Power

542
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: in first grade, and they said, mate, have looked at

543
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: this young center called Jamie Lyon coming on for PARAMOUNTA mate,

544
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: he's going to be like, he's going to be a phenomenon. Anyway,

545
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: he ran on the field, he sucks around his ankles

546
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 3: and he's he's pretty podgy and I'm looking going sorry

547
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: like this bloke right, Yeah, but the moment the ball

548
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: hit his hands, it was like everything just transformed. And

549
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: James Graham said the same thing. When he quit Paramotta,

550
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: fell in love with the game, went and played We

551
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: War and then got picked up by sat Helens. James

552
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 3: Graham said, he turned up a training probably over is

553
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: able weight, and everyone's gone, jeesually this plaate they do

554
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 3: all fitness session, he's coming last by twenty meters and

555
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 3: I thought, mate, we picked up a dad here ended

556
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 3: up alongside Balmninger, probably their greatest signing.

557
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: What just like things did he do?

558
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like you looked at him as you said he

559
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: couldn't lift a weight in the gym, his body shape

560
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: and things like that, he looked nothing like a world

561
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: class center.

562
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: It's Jake Tarrovitch in the back.

563
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: Without that head gear. He's got to lose that head gives.

564
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: Maybe he can't. Yeah, he was. He's one of the

565
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: most gifted players I've ever played alongside mate ye Jamie Lyon.

566
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: He was special at the coach, Like you talk about

567
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: h a puzzle wrapped up in a neigma, just working

568
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: like you're working out. Like were you intimidated when you

569
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: first come in first grade with DESI? Yeah for sure, Yeah,

570
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: but I like from the get go just respected that

571
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: like the hell out of him and just wanted to

572
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: hang off every word he said. Mate. He was such

573
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 2: an intense coach but so detailed. You're right, incredibly different,

574
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: different human being. But at that time he was probably

575
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: alongside Craig Bellamy. You know, those two were levels of

576
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: any coach in the game.

577
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: I think, No, I think he's got the biggest, the

578
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: best winding rate against bellaking any other time.

579
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, just he was huge for my

580
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: like my footy career. Des He just just the way

581
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: he approached his footy and what he demanded from his

582
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: players was was massive for me as a young guy.

583
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: Like you know, you get them coaches you just want

584
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: to play for, like you want to bleed for likes

585
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: was that for me when he looked at me in

586
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: the eye and said, mate, on need jail, like I

587
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: need you to be on your game. I need a

588
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: big one out of you tonight. You just felt like

589
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm not letting this bloke down, Like I am all

590
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: in here on going all in, and I'm going to

591
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: leave it all out there. And he just had that

592
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: effect on I think all his players. I think they

593
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: probably all felt like that with him. I think because

594
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: you see how much he cares about the result and

595
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: about his players, and although he's a different human being,

596
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: he's an incredibly caring guy. Yeah, yeah, kids deeply about

597
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: about people in general, and yeah, I think that sort

598
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: of has that effect when you play for him.

599
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard like, especially from that manly era

600
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: and even like the more modern manly are before he

601
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: left to go to the Titans, I've never heard any

602
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: of those boys talk about living like I haven't particularly

603
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: like they just speak so highly. Jake's the same that

604
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: Tarouvitch brothers say the same, like they just talked so highly.

605
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: Which and if we just jumped forwards for a second

606
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: and jump back was for you. I mean, no coach

607
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: has been better for you and to you than theirs.

608
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: Even with your body like you're amazing. Your body would

609
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: fail everywhere, but the moment you've got an dairs, you

610
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: must knew how to train you or but yeah.

611
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: We gave. He believed in me more than any other

612
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: coach that I had. That was the one thing that's

613
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: that stood out for me in my career, particularly when

614
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: I had that bad run of injuries, Mattie. Like when

615
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: I was going through horrible injury run at Canterbury and

616
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: and Mate, no club wanted to touch me. Honestly, I rang

617
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: around dead said every club in the league and offered

618
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: myself up and no one wanted to borrow me. And

619
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: it was at that point I picked up the phone

620
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: and and rung Deazzy and just said, mate, I know

621
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: I've got more in the tanky, I'm not done, but

622
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: everyone's writing me off. And he said, oh no, you're

623
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: not done. I know you got more, and he said,

624
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: you know, works up.

625
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: What was it well that like for someone to be

626
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: so good for you and for him to go you know,

627
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: I agree, you're not done and you're already for you

628
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: and you didn't talk as much as this as you

629
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: want or not, But I just make the point, you know,

630
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: that those last couple of years the Dars had it

631
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: at the times were incredibly different, most difficult in his career.

632
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: That must have been tough for you to be there

633
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: with DearS when all that was going on, to see

634
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: what he was going through.

635
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: It was hard to watch towards the end, Maddie for sure. Yeah, like, yeah,

636
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: You've got a guy that you've known for such a

637
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: long period of time and a guy that you know

638
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: cares so much about winning, and to see that we

639
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: weren't able to turn it around the way in which

640
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: he would have hoped and believed that he was able

641
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: to do so, Yeah, it was. It was tough on

642
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: everyone made at the club towards the end. And yeah,

643
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: hard on a personal level to watch des I guess

644
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: suffering that way. You know, he was always searching for

645
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: for what we needed to change and how we needed

646
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: to do things in order to get the results at

647
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: the club. So desperately wanted, Mate, and he poured his

648
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: heart and soul into it. And I'll say that, look,

649
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: take nothing away from Deserts two years. He invested so

650
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: much into it, Like in terms of effort time, Mate,

651
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: he was searching for answers everywhere.

652
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: What we just spoken without there, We've just gone from

653
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: two five, so that's sixteen years. Okay, we've spoken about

654
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: the coaches and we've spoken to an extent about the game.

655
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: How much have players changed in that time?

656
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: For yeah, yeah, well that to me, that was something

657
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: that really stood out towards the end of of Desi's

658
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: time at the Titans, was you are coaching such a

659
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: different generation now. And des to his credit, he's always

660
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: believed in his ways and his approach to his players,

661
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: and as I said, he kids deeply. But that ability

662
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: to connect is hugely important now with the young guys

663
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: that you're coaching now, they want that connection, they want

664
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: to feel it, and you know at times foot is

665
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: not everything to them. Yet you know they've got other

666
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: interests outside of rugby league that they're not obsessed with

667
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: the game.

668
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: It's interesting that like when you say that, because people say,

669
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: if you speak to somebody, and oftentimes people who will

670
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: say this aren't involved in the game and don't understand

671
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: the nature of the boost. They say, you need balance

672
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: in your life, you need something outside of football.

673
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 4: Very hard and I'll.

674
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: Be honest with you, if I had a plan B,

675
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now. I think

676
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: a lot of it.

677
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree.

678
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: And if you're going to make the effort, you've got

679
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 4: to be all in both feet.

680
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more mate. I think it's a copy

681
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: out when you're sort of say to young blokes, just

682
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 2: you know, keep your options open, you know, keep your

683
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: options open. It's like, well, you know, you want these

684
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: guys to commit fully to their craft and pour everything

685
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: into it, because that's what we all did, right. We

686
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: poured everything into it, and at the end of the day,

687
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: if it didn't work, it didn't work, but we wanted

688
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: to go down swinging and know that we had invested

689
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: everything into it, right. So yeah, look and look in

690
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: saying that most of them are like that now they are.

691
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: They are the training hours and the way the game's growing,

692
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: in the direction in which it's going, these guys have

693
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: to be fully committed and the sacrifices that they make

694
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: is incredible. But yeah, I think in the end with

695
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: these I think, you know, he was coaching an entirely

696
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 2: different group to what he had coached in twenty eleven,

697
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: and he knew that. But you know, it can be

698
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: really difficult to try and get the results that you

699
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 2: want to get, so.

700
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: You know, and talking about that culture of players that

701
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: desire to make it in the fact you have no plan.

702
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: BUFOS allows you to put up with times humiliation and

703
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: what I mean amiliation. You're amongst the older blokes, You're

704
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: sitting in a video session and you are being embarrassed

705
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: by the things. You know, they'll point things out to you,

706
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: or you're at the training field and they're India and

707
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: in most cases, in most workplaces, people go straight to

708
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: hr you know what I mean, Like, you know, you

709
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: just can't do that now, whereas how is? How is

710
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: that manifests itself now with the changing world and I'm

711
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: not going to attach woke to it in any way,

712
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: shape or form, but it's such a different world. A

713
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: coach is able to in a team meeting, sit there

714
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 3: in a team meeting and go mate. That is fucking pathetic.

715
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: Ah No, they're not mate, And and that's where it

716
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 2: has changed. You're right, like you know, you think fact

717
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: And we were talking about this only the other day,

718
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: you know, in at the club. I was having a

719
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: chat with Jimmy Dimick about it and the other coaches

720
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: and we were talking about how different the video and

721
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: reviews are now of games, the days of sitting there

722
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: where the coach would look spray in the eye, and

723
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: so that's evanpathetic in front of the group. I think

724
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: now you gain nothing from that now. I just think

725
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: as we touched on, it's it's not like that in

726
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: the world anymore. I'm sure there's probably still some young

727
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: players that can handle that sort of delivery, and they

728
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: might they might use it as motivation, but I dare

729
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: say the majority wouldn't yet act well to that. And

730
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: that's what you're coaching. You're coaching to the majority that

731
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: you have to be aware of how you are delivering

732
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: that feedback.

733
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: Now that's not to say that people aren't being held

734
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: to accounts still, like there's still beings those same clips

735
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: are being shown. But I imagine if you're up there

736
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: presenting follows, you're doing it in a way where you

737
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: know you're educating and how you can do it better,

738
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: rather than showing them this isn't acceptable. Well, you know

739
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: what I mean?

740
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: Or if you think how well the world has changed,

741
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: like you know the system the education that I come

742
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 3: through at school in the seventies, how dramatically different it

743
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: is to now. I'll tell you how different it is.

744
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: I remember being in like year one and year two

745
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: year through team. We're taught by the nuns, and it

746
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: was still a hangover from the fifties and sixties. We

747
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 3: have still had a nun in our class that would

748
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: carry a rule and if anyone I wrote with their

749
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: left hands, she'd smash him on the left hand and

750
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: force them to write with their right. They used to

751
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: say it think back in the day, that there was

752
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: something wrong with you if you operated with your left hand. Really,

753
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: and so we had this nun and so in her

754
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: class you weren't The left handers were not allowed to

755
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: write with their left hand, and if they did, she

756
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: would cain them, like can you imagine that these days

757
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: she'd be on sixty minutes and going through that culture,

758
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: and then you went into a culture of you know,

759
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: like in professional support. In a lot of ways you're

760
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 3: used to it, you.

761
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: Know, and there were winners and losers. If I look

762
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: at my kids now in sport, you know, you go

763
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 2: to the the in the season presentation, everyone gets the trophy.

764
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: Participation my trophy would.

765
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: But everyone gets everyone gets a trophy, and that's what

766
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: everyone feels congratulations, another six. But yeah, you're thinking about

767
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: when we were growing up. You know, one kid got

768
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: the best place the year every year.

769
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, that's right.

770
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: You know it was the way that was the generation, right,

771
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: and it was like, well, it doesn't matter if if

772
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: your kid didn't get it. The best kid in the

773
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: team got it, he got it if he got it

774
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: for six years in a row.

775
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah right, But you wouldn't see that now, you wouldn't

776
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: see that.

777
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: There'd be an uproar and.

778
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: Little Johnny played hope, hope all the cost this game.

779
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 4: I don't care he's seven years old.

780
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: There is something. There's something because I watched the Me

781
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: and Dad watching the John Loomu docco and he's in

782
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: it like just before he dies, like they sort of

783
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: had filmed it all. And he's talking about his childhood

784
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: in South South South Auckland, rough place to grow up,

785
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: and he's talking about like his old man being quite violent,

786
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: like his mumma getting the way out of the brant,

787
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: like quite heavy stuff. But there's so many instances of

788
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: these players, like these athletes who come through having these

789
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: like real horrible home environments and you don't want it

790
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: for anyone. But there's something, there's got to be something

791
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: that happens when you're exposed that sort of harsh environment

792
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: and you need to go one of two ways, like

793
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: you channel it into you know, all your determination discipline

794
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: goes into health things like sport because if your escape

795
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: or you obviously don't go down quite a dark path.

796
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: But there's something in that, like that hard edge that

797
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: really produces like amazingly disciplined and good athletes because it's

798
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: all a mental game.

799
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: No, you're right, I totally agree. I think that the

800
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: way in which the lessons that you see growing up

801
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: and the environments that you're in that definitely shape you

802
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, they shape you. They have a profound

803
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: effect on you. And yeah, look we're in a different

804
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: world now, aren't we you That's what we're touching on. Really,

805
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: it is different. I see it with my kids sport.

806
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's different than I guess the sport.

807
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: We can let your drink when you commentate anything, although

808
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 3: I had one in Vegas. You're drinking Vegas Vegas second half,

809
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: Sure I can and was.

810
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: I want to before we move off, manly, I want

811
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: to talk to you about some of the some of

812
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: your time at the Wires, Bulldogs and Eels, the good years.

813
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: But I want to take us back because you're and

814
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to go into too much detail around

815
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: what exactly happened, but I just want to understand your

816
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: perspective on it because the whole drama at Manly when

817
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: Chez re signed and blokes had to move on and

818
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's it's proven rugby

819
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: league's are business right, you do it's best for your family.

820
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: But back then it was very much like loyalty by

821
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: your time, keep a group together. But you were mates,

822
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: like close mates with both sides of the party. You know,

823
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: those older boys are Stuart brothers Chocky White now, but

824
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: you're also very close mates with Chas. How were you

825
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: in those positions because you're caught right in the crossfire.

826
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: It was tough, mate, it was. It was really difficult

827
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: at that time in my life because I was a

828
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 2: young guy as well, trying to make a big decision

829
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: in my footy career and at that time, you know,

830
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: as everyone knows, the environment, it mainly was pretty tense.

831
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 2: You know, there were that core group of older guys

832
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: that were coming towards the end of their careers that

833
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: you know, the club was either not offering new deals

834
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: too or you know, reduced deals and and and then

835
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: you know he had the infighting with daily, you know,

836
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: being an up and comer and obviously looking to get

837
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: extended at that time, and it just there was so

838
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: much friction in the in the environment. And yeah, it

839
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: was it was difficult, mate. I'm sure any player that

840
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: you as through that time would say the same thing.

841
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: It was. It was really hard to, i guess, manage

842
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: so many different points of views and personalities and we'd

843
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: been such a successful footy team and it just felt

844
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: like it was starting to crumble around us a bit. Yeah,

845
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: how did.

846
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: It affect like every day in their training? Was it

847
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: an unsaid thing? Like was it wasn't something that was

848
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: being addressed. You could just like but like you're sitting

849
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: in there in the video room, where you're out in

850
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: the training paddle, you cut the tension with a knife

851
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: a little bit.

852
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh at times for sure, Yeah, yeah, times you could

853
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: feel the tension in and around the gym or out

854
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: on the training paddic But for some unknown reason we

855
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: had this ability to just park it come the eighty

856
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: minutes on Saturday and go out and.

857
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 4: Perform man Yes, yes, yes.

858
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: Like I think Manly has always been a club that

859
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: thrived a little bit on that thrived on the roller

860
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: coaster and des He created a culture like that around

861
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: you know, everyone hates us and we're going to use it.

862
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's a it's a real us against

863
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: the world mentality, and that's fine, but when it filters

864
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: into your playing group and you have different factions and

865
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: things like that, it can it can be quite undersettling.

866
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: And yeah it was. Yeah, it was a tough time

867
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: that twenty fourteen twenty fifteen period at Manly. I think

868
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: for everyone involved through that time would say it was

869
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: it was difficult, and there was different things going on

870
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: with the ownership, and yeah, how much did you sign

871
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: for us?

872
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 3: Like we've all been in like I've been insides where

873
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: the runs coming to an end, you're all coming through together,

874
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 3: and then there's a new dynamic coming through and the

875
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: runs coming to the end, and it does becomes like

876
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: it does become tense, and you get other guys not

877
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: being offer to contract others and so on and so forth.

878
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: And I remember always seeing you blokes in the round

879
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: like you had walk into the public.

880
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 4: He was always so tight.

881
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: But I remember fourteen fifteen, occasionally I walked down to

882
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: the colin Roy and a lot of the boys will

883
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: be there, and it was just there was a real unhappiness.

884
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: If I could make if us for a better term.

885
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: I remember me and my great mate Phil Bailey, we

886
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: went down once in about five or six boys. Now

887
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: down there, boys there you going. We're sitting there and

888
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: we had one beer. I think we better get out

889
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: of here, and I think somebody walked out and he goes, fuck.

890
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: That was heavy, and it was nothing said, but it

891
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 3: was just a really heavy feeling.

892
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: In the room and it was no one player's fault.

893
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: You could imagine put yourself in those senior boys' shoes. Right,

894
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: they've created they were the creators of that era through

895
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: Manly where they had had some really difficult seasons under

896
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: these when he'd first come and as a coach, I

897
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 2: think around that two thousand and three zero four time,

898
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: and then they had built this culture and they had

899
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 2: made it what it was right, So they were such

900
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: an influential part of that. And then you could imagine

901
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: coming towards the back end of that time as you

902
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: touched on Maddie, where you know it's probably coming to

903
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: an end that run, and then you've got a new

904
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: brigade of young guys coming through or other guys coming

905
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: in from from other clubs, and you don't want to

906
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: let go of that that culture that you built. You

907
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: want it to stay the same. And that's that's really

908
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: what it what it was. It was, I guess, that

909
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 2: grippling of trying to hold on to what we've built,

910
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: and to their credit, they had done a phenomenal job

911
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: at it. And then you know you had the new

912
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: I guess, the new brigade starting to come through, and

913
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: it was it was a changing of the guard, right,

914
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: it was a changing of times.

915
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: And that's the thing like then, like were saying before then,

916
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: it probably it wasn't the norm to have that sort

917
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: of thing going on. But now, like you look at

918
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 1: the pain Half situation, like all these different situations, it's

919
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: just like it's so the norm.

920
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 2: Now.

921
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: The modern generation probably see like there's not a lot

922
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: of loyalty in rugby league, like they see it as

923
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: a business.

924
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: It's like we've become like the Moneyball scene where he

925
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: says you've got to go tell that guy. He says

926
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 3: to Jony Hill, You've got to cut this guy. He's like,

927
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: I can't do that, and he goes, He'll show you

928
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: how to do it, and he goes, so and so, how

929
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: you're going good? Just like you you've been moved to Detroit.

930
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 3: There's a business class ticket for you yet gone.

931
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 4: He said, That's how it did.

932
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 3: We're not quite to that extent yet, but but it's

933
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: hardcore professionalism. Koper just said it like going through those

934
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: difficult years. I remember watching you play it mainly and

935
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 3: often refer to this is that mate. I've never seen

936
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: anyone ball plays so straight and a willingness to just

937
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: get jammed all the time. It took because you know,

938
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: ball playing is an art form, but you suffer from

939
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: it for your art to do it properly. I remember

940
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: one day that you're playing against the Titans and you

941
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: just kept running straight it like semi taking taking to

942
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: was your target defender and you kept pulling him out

943
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: of shape and putting on chock through but he just

944
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 3: kept jamming. And I say to people all the time,

945
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: you couldn't be discouraged. You just goelt bang bang and

946
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 3: that and what you copped for your ball playing over

947
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: these is copped a lot of punishment going into those

948
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: difficult years. Was what what was the first sign that

949
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 3: the body was just about to start to failure.

950
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 4: Was there an injury or anything that happened.

951
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I got the paramatter. I had been relatively

952
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: unscathed through that stint at Manly, you know, the first

953
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: seven seasons of my career, and then I signed a

954
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: paramatter and I got a long term shoulder injury in

955
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: a game, and I think I had some other things

956
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: going on obviously outside of footy at that time, but

957
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: my body that was probably the first signs that my

958
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: body was starting to, I guess, not function like it

959
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: like it had been. You know, when you're young and

960
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: you bounce back from those tackles and those injuries and

961
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: you go again the next week. And I'd had plenty

962
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: of injuries through that first in at mainly, but I'd

963
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: always been able to get myself up for games of

964
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: footing yep. And what I noticed through that next sort

965
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: of four or five year period was that when I

966
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: had injuries, I had injuries, I just couldn't get myself

967
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: on the paddock. And I was getting trained injuries, and yeah,

968
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: I think what had happened, mate, is I was obviously

969
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: playing hard on the field, I was living life hard

970
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: off the field and caught up. It catches up. I

971
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: was burning the candle at both ends, and I think

972
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: that's my advice to young blokes now, I was eventually

973
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: the candle blows out, and that's what happened with me.

974
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: I was doing it all, mate, and in the end

975
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: something had to give, and it was my body and

976
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: it was my mental health. It was everything that's.

977
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Far because you can get away with it can like

978
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: early like until you're probably mid twenties. You can live

979
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: like play hard, party hard. But like you said, you

980
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: get to a point where you hit an age and

981
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: it's like you don't bounce back from the piece like

982
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: you used to. You don't bounce back from injuries. How

983
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: did you handle when you get your first long term

984
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: injury there? You're not used to probably having that sort

985
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: of thing where you can't play. How'd you handle that?

986
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 2: And that's horrific. That was for me. That was where

987
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: it all sort of started to fall apart from me

988
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: because I'd never had a long term injury and then

989
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 2: I got it and things away from footy, weren't going

990
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: that well in my personal life, and it just spiraled

991
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: for me. Mate, it spired. I didn't know how to

992
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: cope with it because I'd always had that one constant

993
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: every weekend, that eighty minutes and footy. It became like

994
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: that release for me, Like going out and competing for

995
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: eighty minutes was it didn't matter how much chaos was

996
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: going on in my life away from footy. If I

997
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: could strap the boots on and go out there, I

998
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: could be in my element I just found at home.

999
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: And when I started to get all these injuries, I

1000
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: didn't have that thing to look forward to on the weekend,

1001
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 2: and so you start trying to find it in other

1002
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 2: areas of your life, right, whether it was through drinking

1003
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 2: and gambling, partying, other parts of your life, and yeah,

1004
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: it just made it's a long road. Yeah, just spirals

1005
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: out of control, really, And yeah, I did not cope

1006
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: well at all when I started to get injuries because

1007
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: it took the one thing I loved so much away

1008
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 2: from from my life. So yeah, I had to go

1009
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: through that whole journey of finding other things outside of

1010
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: footy and then you know, rebuilding your life, you know,

1011
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 2: the way that you wanted to look.

1012
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: Did you feel like your happiness will come through footy

1013
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: back then, which it was the only way you got validation.

1014
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: I was that obsessed with footy and I still am,

1015
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: but it was everything to me. I didn't care about

1016
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: anything else. I had poured so much into it, and

1017
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: I didn't have any other interests outside of rugby league.

1018
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: The only other interests I had outside of rugby league

1019
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: was drinking and gambling, So that became the ways that

1020
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: I would search for those that to try and replicate

1021
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: that adrenaline rush and that high was to go and

1022
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, sit in a pub for eight hours and

1023
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: gamble or drink. So yeah, it's it just becomes unhealthy, right. Well.

1024
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: The smartest thing I've ever heard, and I think it

1025
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: was on a movie or something, which you actually it

1026
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: really good quotes from movies, specially that I imagine you're playing,

1027
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: you're playing footy and you go out and have a

1028
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: beer after. That's that's different because you're celebrating, like you're

1029
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: drinking to feel like even better than you already are

1030
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: when you get hurt and then you're you're already unhappy,

1031
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: like and then you go and have a drink. You're

1032
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: drinking to feel better, full stop. Someone said to me,

1033
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: they're like drink to feel even better, not better, because

1034
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: like after you have a grand final or amazing win,

1035
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: go and have a beer with the boys, because it's

1036
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: just elevating how you're already feeling. But if you're in

1037
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: a bad headspace and you go on the piss to

1038
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: try to make yourself feel better, it.

1039
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: Just I see the one that is going to sound

1040
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: really really strange, The one that feels the most satisfying

1041
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: is the dark one. For me, Like if something happened

1042
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 3: to me in my life and I was really on

1043
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: the bottom and I started drinking, I got the most

1044
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 3: satisfaction out of that drink, Like how bad it was

1045
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: for me, but it was almost like my emotions were

1046
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: upside down and there was something in that you know.

1047
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: But as I said before, it's a very very dark

1048
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: place to go. But because you get I mean, there's

1049
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: an area there we have touched on, and that's and

1050
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: I was watching the Face to Face with with Minnie

1051
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 3: Anthony Nicello and he's talking about all his injuries down

1052
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 3: his spine. His spine was just totally dehydrated and it

1053
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: was made he was a mess, and everyone was telling

1054
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,479
Speaker 3: you've got to retire. And he shows a photo where's

1055
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 3: getting the Golden boodleward of Arthur Boots and he says,

1056
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 3: he says, have a look at me, have a look

1057
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: at my face. And his face is puffy, his hands

1058
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: are puffy. And he said that was that was all

1059
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: the painkillers, that was all the anddi inflammatories. And he said,

1060
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 3: my body was just toxic. And he said, you know,

1061
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: I've learnt now to get through that, and obviously you did,

1062
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 3: but that's part of it as well. You're thinking about

1063
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 3: the painkillers they give you. You talking an end and

1064
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 3: you're talking to your inflammatories. What a job they do

1065
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 3: on you, oh for sure.

1066
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, lock if you're taking

1067
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: any depressants and things like that, you're putting on weight.

1068
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: I say, like you can put on weight. So then

1069
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: I look back on photos of me through that period

1070
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: at times at Canterbury and that and I think, fuck,

1071
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: I look I look heavy, thick, you know, but you're

1072
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: just you're trying to You're trying to survive, right, So

1073
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: as you said, you're dealing with pain, pain meds, you're

1074
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: dealing with any in flames you're taking any depressants to

1075
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: try and get your mind right and things like that,

1076
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: so your body you look different.

1077
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: How like, how did you feel because after, like you said,

1078
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: you're the Eels, the Warriors, the Bulldogs and you didn't

1079
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: play a lot of foota during that period because you're hurt.

1080
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: But then, like you said, your ring days, you come

1081
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: back to Manly, how did you feel because you and

1082
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: your time at mainly people were going, oh, you know

1083
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: what they signed to me is going to get hurt again.

1084
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: But you're relatively unscared through there, Like your performance on

1085
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: the paddocks was all You're back to your best form.

1086
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: What was the difference during that period and then when

1087
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: you returned back to Manley?

1088
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 2: Mate the three years it can was the toughest period

1089
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: of my footy career because I was on big money.

1090
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 2: I was signed there to go and do a job

1091
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: and I spent half the time on the sideline. Spoken

1092
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: about this previously, but it's in your toughest moments that

1093
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: you learn so much about yourself, right, And it was

1094
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: during those years that I suffered incredibly like hard, because

1095
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to take the field and I wasn't

1096
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 2: able to showcase the player that I wanted to be

1097
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: because my body was failing me and letting me down.

1098
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: But I knew, I knew I had so much fire

1099
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: in my belly at the end of that Canterbury time,

1100
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: and I knew that there was still more to give,

1101
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: and I tried to stay at the dogs. Not many

1102
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: people know this. I tried to. I wanted to give

1103
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: back to the club, but they moved me on. They

1104
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: didn't want it. And so yeah, that's when I was

1105
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: left clubless, and I did. I reached out the DEAs

1106
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: and I had an honest chat with him and I said, mate,

1107
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, like I'm still only thirty years old.

1108
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: I've missed a lot of footy. I said, like, I know,

1109
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: I've still got a good three to four years in

1110
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: me for sure. Like I said, you just got to

1111
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: back me in here. And when I went back to Manly,

1112
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 2: I went back with a real chip on my shoulder,

1113
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 2: like there was a genuine I'd been beat down like

1114
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 2: so much that you just go I'm going to prove

1115
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: everyone wrong. And everyone had said his body was failing,

1116
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: he should retire, he should give it up. I was

1117
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 2: hearing it all. That's a great motivator, right you just

1118
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: I always say, like when people tell you what you

1119
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: can't do, it's just such a good motivator to show

1120
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: them what you can do. And yeah, I knew going

1121
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 2: back to me, I knew, I knew there was some

1122
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: good footing in front of him. I knew it. I

1123
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: just had to. I just had to get myself physically

1124
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: in a shape that I could be on the field.

1125
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: And I went through the two seasons at mainly without

1126
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: missing again like Billy missed a game.

1127
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 3: I just asked you about that again injured with that

1128
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 3: going back there as I'm really curious. I interviewed Boy Cordon,

1129
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: the once boy got really emotional and he spoke about it,

1130
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: and he was saying, everybody when he walked, everyone in

1131
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 3: the street had an opinion.

1132
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 4: You got to retire. You got to retire because the

1133
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 4: head got to retire, got to retire, and he said made.

1134
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how tough it was when I

1135
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 3: was in a game and I'd wake up, meaning that

1136
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 3: he copped a head knock again. He'd just get there

1137
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: and then comes through and he'd everyone around him. He'd realize,

1138
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 3: you've been knocked out again, and he got really emotional,

1139
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: and he said it was like, and I asked you

1140
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: that question for you and your body's failing. I was,

1141
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: And you're a proud blake. I imagine you're embarrassed Philip

1142
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: to let you see mats out and you go and

1143
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: play a game and all of a sudden, that hamstringer

1144
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 3: goes again.

1145
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 4: Tell me how that feel.

1146
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: Breaks you, Maddie. I'll break down so many times through

1147
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: that period. There's a there's a game when I've come

1148
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: back and play for New Zealing in two thousand and nine, En,

1149
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 2: I'll do my shoulder in the first three minutes of

1150
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: that test match. I worked so hard to get myself

1151
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: back to a level where I could be picked from

1152
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: the Zeeling again. Magic'd picked me in the key with

1153
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: team and it felt like I was just getting some

1154
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 2: good luck. And then I did my shoulder three minutes

1155
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: into that game, and and I tell you, mate, that

1156
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: nearly broke me. Like. I went back into the sheds

1157
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: and I just sobbed, like I could not hold back

1158
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 2: my tears sewn. Johnson was trying to console me at

1159
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: the times, and Madge came in at the end of

1160
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: the game give me a hug. In that and he

1161
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: was trying to give me some comfort, but I was broken.

1162
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: I was broken, mate, Yeah, I was like, I can't.

1163
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: I can't withstand anymore of this. I don't want like

1164
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: I'm training so hard, I'm trying to play the best

1165
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: footy that I can and I just I've just got

1166
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: no luck. I just keep getting bloody injuries and yeah,

1167
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: you do. It does make it break shot at times,

1168
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: but that's when that's when it's those around you that matter.

1169
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: That's It's it's in the times that you that you're

1170
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: doubt in yourself and you're wondering whether you can keep going,

1171
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 2: when it's the voices and the people around you, those

1172
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: to you that can help you through those moments. And

1173
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: for me, you know, my wife was incredibly important for

1174
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 2: me through that period, like she she was that and

1175
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: along with my family where they just said, like you

1176
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: you're not done with you know, you're not done yet.

1177
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: And there was times I said I am done, like

1178
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: I just I'm not getting any luck, like I'm I

1179
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: should just give it away. Everyone's right, you know, my

1180
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: body is failing me. And just to have the support

1181
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: of those closest to you where they go, mate.

1182
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: You can do this funny when you're talking about that

1183
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 3: for a minute ago, when you were talking about right

1184
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: at the back end of that first in it merely

1185
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: then spinning into those difficult years. Like the sense that

1186
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: I get that time is that you're almost lost it

1187
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: to you've got nothing to cling on to. You said,

1188
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: you have difficultly off the field and all the rest,

1189
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: and then like then to meet your wife and your

1190
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: imagine like come out of that's probably one of the

1191
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: biggest things. It sounds strange, you know, off the field,

1192
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 3: but has such an impact on getting through the injuries.

1193
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 3: Probably having someone there, yeah, you know what I mean

1194
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 3: that can just give you that support, emotional support, huge, huge.

1195
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 2: Like you're when you're going through long term injuries, as

1196
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: you know, like it can be really dark and lonely,

1197
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: can't it. You're away from the boys, you're not you're

1198
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: not involved, and you.

1199
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: Feel like you're almost not even part of the team. Yeah,

1200
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: it might sound strange people that like, oh what, like

1201
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: you're you're a big name player, big money. You think, oh,

1202
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: you're still in around the club, but because you're not

1203
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: training with them, like you literally feel like a ghost whatever.

1204
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 3: And you sit in two meetings and you're not playing

1205
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: and they're talking. It actually feels like you're sort of

1206
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: almost looking down on the session, like you're not even there,

1207
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 3: shouldn't even be sitting in there.

1208
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: It's really strange.

1209
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, mate. Yeah, and that's when that's when

1210
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: you do as I said, you draw on those closest

1211
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: to you. And yeah, she was.

1212
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 3: Hugely important for me through that you run out, that

1213
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: that second stint at brook Fail when you ran out

1214
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 3: the first time, because I wonder sometimes I reckon when

1215
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 3: you look in the mirror and you'd see those colors,

1216
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 3: Manly colors, you go, it looks right. Did you look

1217
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: in the mirror in those tough years and you're on

1218
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 3: a different uniform, just thinking sometimes it just doesn't feel right.

1219
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, when I got back to Manly, I just

1220
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: felt like I it was exactly what I needed at

1221
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: that time in my career, Like to go back to

1222
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: a club where the fans had had always been so

1223
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: good to me, the people at the club had always

1224
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: been so good to me, and you're just able to Yeah,

1225
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: I think, just release that tension and just go, you

1226
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 2: know what, I'm back where I belong that you know,

1227
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: I can just play play good footy and yeah, mate, yeah,

1228
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: going back to Manly that second time, they were especially

1229
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: after that four or five year period they were they

1230
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: were such enjoyable years like it. You know, we had

1231
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: we had plenty of success.

1232
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like because it's a that's

1233
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: a it's a new squad like New Boys Turbo just

1234
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: because you would have just missed Turbo really and now

1235
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: Turbo firing like he's the star now. All these other

1236
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: young players sort of in there. Brad Parker the.

1237
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 4: Ruined career actually one of them, you were the other one.

1238
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: And then you got bos like Lucky Croker.

1239
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 4: What's what was it?

1240
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 1: What was the Manly team? The difference in that five

1241
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: years when you come to that new squad it was

1242
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: so different, refreshing.

1243
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was it was unreal like, yeah,

1244
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: obviously I had come back with Chez, you know, which

1245
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 2: was great, but then yeah, Turbo was was one of

1246
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 2: the best players in the game now and and you

1247
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: know then we had these guys like m A and

1248
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: and that that were just coming on the scenes. And

1249
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: then great fellers like Croaks and Parks who were playing.

1250
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,479
Speaker 1: Great footy because is Appy and Adam final Blake still

1251
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: there they they missed them.

1252
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: Miss they had left. So it was just, I guess,

1253
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: a really well balanced footy thing. And everyone was great

1254
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: mates and there was a great chemistry, and yeah, we

1255
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: went on a bit of a run that year thanks

1256
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: to Turbo.

1257
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 4: Is is it the best? You suppose? Everyone?

1258
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 3: Everyone's great in a different way, but all things considered

1259
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 3: like that, is that the greatest? Like the run of

1260
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 3: form that you've ever been a part of, which.

1261
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: He's my number one pick. And I've played with other

1262
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: great players the course of my career, but no one

1263
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 2: I think sits above Turbot in my opinion.

1264
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 3: And I ask you as a man, as a fellow,

1265
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: like you know where Jake you can see Jake is

1266
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: is almost.

1267
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 4: Like slavishly polite. He's just so.

1268
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 3: Happy to make it just he's so keen to make

1269
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 3: you feel good about yourself.

1270
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 1: Polite is the greatest saying.

1271
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 4: But where like.

1272
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 3: Tom, you can see Tom's a bit different. You's gotta

1273
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: be a shit on his liver. He's sort of you

1274
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like the dynamic like for people

1275
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: that don't know Tom, like off the field, I don't

1276
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 3: know how you felt was, but I had when I

1277
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 3: was in Melbourne I was still mates with all those boys,

1278
01:02:58,760 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 3: so I come back and have a beer with him

1279
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: and the off season.

1280
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: But then I wasn't with him day to day, so

1281
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what Turbo was like on a

1282
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: day to day basis until I came to Manley. And

1283
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: I remember one day we're in there, we're doing prehab together,

1284
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: and then the next day he's in there and Turbo

1285
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: might say two words down. I remember saying to Parks,

1286
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: Turbo always like this, and Brad Barker goes, mate. I've

1287
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: known Turbo for ten years and some days it's like

1288
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: I've never met him before. It ad it's like it's

1289
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: like you meet me for the first time. It's that awward.

1290
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: Sometimes. Yeah, he is. He is. He's the smartest footballer

1291
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: I've ever saying, like, just in terms of the way

1292
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 2: he thinks about the game and how he sees it.

1293
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 2: I don't know how you felt, Coops. Yeah, I've yeah,

1294
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: like I said, I've played alongside a lot of smart footballers,

1295
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: but Turbo was he is elite, and you know, he's

1296
01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: obviously blessed physically, but he trains incredibly hard. He trains

1297
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: really really hard, mate, And yeah, he's yeah, he's a

1298
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: generational player. Is special. He is special. I don't think

1299
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 2: people from the outside really get the luxury of knowing

1300
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 2: just how good he is. Like I know we talk

1301
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: about that twenty one year and fans see him on

1302
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: the weekend and see what he does. But if you

1303
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: saw him on a day to day basis and what

1304
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: he does in video sessions and what he does at training,

1305
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 2: it'll blow your mind even more.

1306
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: He is he is a like wins all the fitness

1307
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: but even like obviously he had a horror injury run

1308
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: as well, but the work he puts into his body

1309
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 1: pre and post training is like nothing I've ever said.

1310
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 3: Like he's you feel a lot in common like you

1311
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 3: as far as your injuries.

1312
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: It is, yeah, what he's been through physically, as you said,

1313
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: with his body, but it's no fluke what you see

1314
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: Tommy do on the weekend. And that's the thing I

1315
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 2: think the fans they miss out on scene on a

1316
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: day to day basis, it is it is no flut

1317
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 2: as you said, Coops, like he wins everything can training,

1318
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: and then on top of that, he can go into

1319
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: a video session and he can pull apart the opposition

1320
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: team that you're playing that weekend. He can tell the

1321
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: boys where they need to, you know, be in terms

1322
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: of their line org and things like that. He is, Yeah,

1323
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: he's he's special.

1324
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: We talk about like people always hear people talk about, like,

1325
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, momentum and confidence. When you get on a

1326
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: run and you feel unstoppable. That twenty twenty one year,

1327
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: you're going into video sessions each week you are on

1328
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: this amazing run. You're all playing out of his skin,

1329
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: your turbot, the back is on fire. Dalli and Winner,

1330
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: What was that like going into each week? Like are

1331
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: you are you just feeling untouchable?

1332
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, there was a period there throughout that year

1333
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 2: where we felt untouchable for sure because we.

1334
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 3: Have Yeah, yeah, give us to the big kid with

1335
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 3: the beard.

1336
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 2: Mate. There were games when we were in trouble, we

1337
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: weren't playing that well, and he just grabbed the ball

1338
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 2: and score three tries.

1339
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because.

1340
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: I don't think we'll see a player play run like that.

1341
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: I run like that, like, honestly, can you think of one.

1342
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: I know we had Hayn and Barber, but I don't

1343
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 2: know if they were on that level.

1344
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 3: No, it was unbelievable. He scored a try against North

1345
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 3: Queens on a bit nine blots.

1346
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 2: It's sort of like what Walsh did in the Final

1347
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: series last year, but every day. But he did it

1348
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: for fifteen in yard Is too.

1349
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: He was doing them inside the ten meters.

1350
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well Jack, you know saying that its back

1351
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 3: to memory is I remember I went to brook Vale Oval.

1352
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 4: It was mainly versus.

1353
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 3: Penrith and he just came up from ball or Fleag

1354
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 3: and it was his first game in the under twenties

1355
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 3: and Penrith had beaten them by about fourteen points and

1356
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 3: there's twelve minutes to go and they brought him mind

1357
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 3: and I said to someone, mate, this is just Tom

1358
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 3: and stuff about him mate. He single handedly dragged him

1359
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 3: to the win. He was taking like like four runs

1360
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: in the set of six, just getting up.

1361
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 2: I think he was, yeah, you're right, credible. He was

1362
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: running for overlock four hundred twenties games.

1363
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: Game against the Warriors. It's on YouTube. Niko Heines and

1364
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: Nico was in that side as well, and Billy Bainbridge

1365
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: shout out of Billy Brainier's played one game NRL. But

1366
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: Turbo it's it's literally not just men against boys, it's

1367
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: like an immortal against boys, like it's like sending prime

1368
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: Andrew John's back to play against sixteen year olds. He's

1369
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: unbelievable in it. But back on that twenty twenty one year,

1370
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: we don't want to get on Turbo too much because

1371
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: he's got an ego.

1372
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does got the propensity to get carried away

1373
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 3: talking about Jake.

1374
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: But that left edge you guys had, as you showey

1375
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: Parks is in Parks is at center. If you aren't

1376
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: scoring that left edge where you're dropping Shuster off Parker's

1377
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: leading for Turbo out the back, you score or you're

1378
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: hitting Schewey earlier plays a block for Turbo. Turbo was

1379
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: scoring tries whenever he sense quick play the ball. He

1380
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: had a call for it, and then he just screamed,

1381
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: just one off the ruck from Croachs who just literally

1382
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: handed to him, and he run.

1383
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 4: Over full blows to score. That's straight away toughness.

1384
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's rare to have a fullback that can

1385
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: skin you on the edges with like that beautiful left

1386
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: edd shape you guys had. But then can just if

1387
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,919
Speaker 1: it's a quick play the ball can run over front

1388
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: rowers and score.

1389
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 2: He was so confident in his body that year wasn't

1390
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: he like he believed he was the best and there

1391
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: was no one that was going to stop him. And

1392
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 2: as you touched on, like he was running over front rows. Yeah,

1393
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: it'd before middle forwards in front of him and he

1394
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 2: was just shoving.

1395
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: I brought him unstuck when I was there the night

1396
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: he raced the guy on the course on the course.

1397
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,839
Speaker 4: Yeah true. I love that I fell on the shower.

1398
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, what we're doing in the shower, mate, publisher

1399
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 3: says a lot about you in the fact that like

1400
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 3: that that you finished, you're up with the Titans. To

1401
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 3: remember seeing you before you went up there, I said

1402
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 3: you better. I said, you're going to love it.

1403
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 4: I said.

1404
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 3: The Frazzl family and Darryl and Joe Kelly are the

1405
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 3: best people in the game. Like you know, they really

1406
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 3: care for their players. And and mate, you played, mate,

1407
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 3: you played so good up there.

1408
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 4: Did you enjoy it? Did you enjoy the time?

1409
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 3: Didn't get the results, but maybe your football was outstanding.

1410
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: Some of the best years of my footy career up there. Honestly,

1411
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 2: the three years that I had to finish my career

1412
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 2: with the Titans was as good as it could have

1413
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 2: gotten for me. And you touched on it there, Mady.

1414
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 2: The people involved in the club, and I said that

1415
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 2: from the day I walked through the place, they're some

1416
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: of the best people I've met in rugby league. Darryl

1417
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 2: and Joe, Kelly, Rebecca and Brett Frazelle, CEO, Steve Mitchell.

1418
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 2: These are people that have given every link to that

1419
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: organization and they just want success so badly. And I

1420
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 2: honestly went up there believing that I could help in

1421
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 2: some capacity deliver that and it was unfortunate that we

1422
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 2: weren't able to get the success that were so desperately craved.

1423
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 2: But I won't shy away, and I've said it the

1424
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: whole time that club's it's heading in the right direction.

1425
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: Well, I think you underste yourself there a bit too,

1426
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: because like the boys, even the boys up there now

1427
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: who are playing in the Hearts like JC and Primo

1428
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: and Sammy Verrel's those boys what they like. They talk

1429
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: so highly of you up there and what you've if,

1430
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: like you said, you didn't get the results on the Paddy,

1431
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: but what you've done for those players that you spent

1432
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 1: a couple of years with, it's enhanced their football.

1433
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 4: You have a look at David.

1434
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 3: The best twelve months of day for Feeder's career was

1435
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 3: on the left when they switched you to the left side,

1436
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 3: and his playing with fozz I was teaching him the

1437
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 3: science of the game. I was on Cody Walker, right,

1438
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 3: I'll come to you and I say, how do I

1439
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 3: get the best out day for Feeder?

1440
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 4: What do you tell me?

1441
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to I guess you've got to play

1442
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 2: to his strengths. And I know that sounds simple, but

1443
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: you've got a guy that you know, dave strengths is

1444
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 2: obviously his skill level is ball playing, his ability to

1445
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: skip across and beat defenders in front of him. But

1446
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 2: he likes early ball. But if you are digging into

1447
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 2: the line with Dave, he's not going to run your

1448
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: traditional Wonders line. Dave wants to about. He wants to

1449
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: kick overs on players. So Cody's got that great knack

1450
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 2: to that ability to hold the footy up and then

1451
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: you bring a player into the line on that overs line,

1452
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: and I think that's something I tried to just have

1453
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 2: that balance with Dave where I knew when he wanted

1454
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: the ball early and he wanted to do his thing,

1455
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 2: and I also, you know, had that ability to understand

1456
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 2: when he wanted to me to put him on that

1457
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 2: outside hole rather than that inside hole, and.

1458
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 3: Would he run that hard line for you, because you

1459
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 3: can't always have a one way relationship, so you're helping him. Yeah,

1460
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 3: sometimes you wanted him to spare that game.

1461
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And there's times I'd use him on that

1462
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 2: hard line, you know, when I had to, and and

1463
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 2: he's prepared to do.

1464
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: It, but not all the time.

1465
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: You've got to know your players, right, And he's a

1466
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: different back roller to say, you know Aleah Martin and

1467
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: you know someone like that where they just want to

1468
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 2: dig in and run that hard line over and over again, Dave,

1469
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 2: they's a different sort of player. So I just tried

1470
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 2: to adjust to the way he wanted to do things,

1471
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 2: and I think that'd helped get thet out of it.

1472
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: That sounds simple there, but like it is. It's amazing

1473
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: how some harves will probably go in and they just

1474
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: want to play to the shapes that they like. It

1475
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: says a lot about you to be able to go

1476
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 1: in and go right, what's what's my center strengths with

1477
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: my back roller strengths? What shapes can I do that's

1478
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: going to play to them and give get them the

1479
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: footy and how.

1480
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 3: They like its? Next question O Dave for feeder. Yeah,

1481
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 3: and I come to you and I'm trying to rebuild

1482
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 3: my career. I'll come to you and say, rote f ozz,

1483
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 3: give me some advice. What do you think? What do

1484
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 3: I have to do to be like the best I

1485
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 3: can be fulfill my potential.

1486
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 2: Well, I've had these conversations with Dave around evolving his game,

1487
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,759
Speaker 2: and I'm hoping he's going to get to this point

1488
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 2: now with sous. I think the change will be good

1489
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 2: for him, buddy. But but I do think. You know,

1490
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 2: when you've played a particular style for a long period

1491
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 2: of time, it's inevitable that teams start to work out

1492
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 2: and opposition players start to work out. And they have

1493
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 2: started to work Dave out. Yes, they know he's big,

1494
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: they know he's athletic. They start to get up a

1495
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: bit quicker in the D line. They start to shut

1496
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 2: you down. So you know, I've said to said to Dave,

1497
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,799
Speaker 2: and I've had these conversations, mate, You've got to evolve

1498
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 2: your what your game of foot He looks like you

1499
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 2: might not be the big kid anymore. Running through six

1500
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: opposition players you might have to. There might be games

1501
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: where you've got to get down and do the nitty

1502
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,839
Speaker 2: gritty stuff and get through eighty minutes of just tackling

1503
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 2: your backside off your work, taking the the yard and

1504
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 2: hit up so you might not score a try, set

1505
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 2: up a try, but you've done that role for the team.

1506
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 2: And I think hopefully he's at that point now in

1507
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 2: his career where he's realized that where he doesn't need

1508
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: to be the X factor Dave all the time. It's

1509
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: not going to happen, you know, but do the little

1510
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: things right.

1511
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 4: It's interesting.

1512
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 3: Evolving the game is so important and coops all beat

1513
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 3: me and the boys are watching. As we said the

1514
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 3: Joan Olamu documentary, The Angle Within, it's just I urge

1515
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 3: people to watch it. It's just just amazing, beautiful man,

1516
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 3: you know, And and you said about that evolving the game,

1517
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,879
Speaker 3: and it's a really big thing. If you know, if

1518
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 3: people who listen to this, if you know, if you're

1519
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 3: a football or a young football, or you've got a

1520
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 3: son that's big and you've got to teach, you've got

1521
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 3: to teach them the game because what's going to happen

1522
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 3: is is that when they're a big kid.

1523
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 4: They're not.

1524
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 3: They're not run against little kids anymore. Kids are petrified.

1525
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 4: In the NRL.

1526
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 3: What the Blakes do is opposition players look for when

1527
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 3: do they play a day for feeder and they put

1528
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 3: a circle around him and they say, I can't wait.

1529
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 3: In the ninety five World Cup when Joan Olamu is

1530
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 3: just terrorizing everyone, they interviewed the Irish players in English

1531
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 3: players and they're all terrified. Rory Underwood and those guys

1532
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 3: are going, oh, we'll just like we know how to

1533
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 3: handle him, what to do.

1534
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 4: You'll see they're terrified.

1535
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 3: Then before the World Cup final, the interview Francois Pina,

1536
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 3: the South African captain. He goes, we were just so excited.

1537
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 3: We're all in the sheds going who's going to bash

1538
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 3: him first? Who's going to do a Cooper turn? And said, mate,

1539
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 3: they're just they're different boasts. I said absolutely.

1540
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 4: And that's what the.

1541
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 3: NRL is in the day, like you know you're playing there,

1542
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 3: that everyone's in that opposition. Sheard saying that that bloke

1543
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 3: we're going to come out, Who's the bloke's going to

1544
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 3: give it to them? They thrive on it.

1545
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they do, mate. Then yeah, that's that's the

1546
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 2: point that Dave's in his career, isn't he like he's

1547
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 2: He's at that point Maddie Cooper where opposition back rollers

1548
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 2: and other players they want to get one over.

1549
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: They see it as an opportunity. It's like it's an

1550
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: opportunity for them to get one up and it sounds bad,

1551
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: but it's like it's a it's a good look for

1552
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,440
Speaker 1: them for come contract negotiations.

1553
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: That's the nature of the game is professional sport. You

1554
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 3: know you're doing such good job. Mate in a Foxley,

1555
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 3: they love you there. Do you see yourself one day?

1556
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 3: Would you if you do hard? The ambition to be

1557
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 3: in a real coach?

1558
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 2: I think, look, it's it's something that I'm definitely interested in,

1559
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 2: Maddie ye, but I'm in no rush to become an

1560
01:15:58,760 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 2: NRL head coach.

1561
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: Looks like high pressure.

1562
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 2: Do you reckon?

1563
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: But even like every week there's an article about like

1564
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: a sieves or a top paytent and like, you know,

1565
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: it's like it can I imagine that is so hard

1566
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: to com everywhere when you're also trying to focus on

1567
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: like how do I get my team up? Like it's hard, but.

1568
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 3: The same taken you think about what you've been through

1569
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 3: in your long career, you know, and that that that's yeah,

1570
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 3: I reckon, you've probably done seventy percenty of your apprenticeship ready.

1571
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 3: The next step is probably do a thing and how

1572
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 3: to get the message of tactically. As far as having

1573
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 3: crocodile skin, you're having that criticism bounce off. I think

1574
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 3: you've probably serve your juice.

1575
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably have pretty calous. I look, I just

1576
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 2: love the game like I love footy. It's been my

1577
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 2: life since the age of four. Hopefully it continues to

1578
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 2: be a huge part of my life. Say, I'm just

1579
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 2: grateful for the opportunity to be able to start my

1580
01:16:55,200 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 2: coaching journey, and I'm like a sponge just trying to

1581
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: soak it all up and learn as much as i can,

1582
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 2: whilst at the same time passing on my experience and knowledge,

1583
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 2: like you said, over a seventeen year career as a

1584
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 2: player onto the players that I'm coaching now. I absolutely

1585
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 2: love it. I love it. I can say that I

1586
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 2: say to me Missus every night I get out of

1587
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 2: bed bouncing that excited to get into work because I'm

1588
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 2: getting to do something that I love. It is so

1589
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 2: rewarding when you give something to the guys and they

1590
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 2: practice it and they pull it off and they're able

1591
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 2: to get the result that they've been searching for on

1592
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 2: the weekend. And I know myself, you know, as a player,

1593
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,600
Speaker 2: and we've all been there. You just you know, you

1594
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 2: love those coaches that are able to believe in you

1595
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 2: and give you that detail and the right tools that

1596
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: you need to perform. And and yeah, I'm finding it

1597
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 2: really rewarding, mate, And I reckon, theyah.

1598
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 3: I reckon if I was like looking at you like, yeah,

1599
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 3: you know, all the things you've been through in your life.

1600
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 3: We've just gone through all the stuff, you know, coming

1601
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 3: into grade and dealing with this, you know, born New Zealand,

1602
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 3: moved over here, all those bad injury runs you know,

1603
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 3: off the field, all that and then building yourself back.

1604
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 3: I reckon, you get the training and look at you

1605
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 3: could look at a young professional, a young bloke coming

1606
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 3: through and you'd know exactly how he's feeling, and you

1607
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 3: know exactly what he needs and.

1608
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: The go and you'd actually got You're having a great

1609
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: one today. But I will say, like half the battle

1610
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: of being a head coach, particularly coming as a new one,

1611
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: I reckon would be like to initially get that respect

1612
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: of the boys and listen to how the boys that

1613
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: mainly talk about having your back there, you would be

1614
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a better bloke. They could go into

1615
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: head coaching like you would be such a because tactically

1616
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: you understand it all, but you understand the person better

1617
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: than anything because you've been in I don't think there'd

1618
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: be a player in a squad that you couldn't relate

1619
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: to whatever situation they're going through because you've just had

1620
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: about every situation on.

1621
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 2: It is a huge part of coaching, isn't it. Yeah,

1622
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: you realize that it's not it's not always the smartest

1623
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 2: minds or like don't have to be in this day

1624
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: and age. It's it's not so much about being tactically great,

1625
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: although you want to be, but it is about relationships

1626
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 2: and people like you see. You see some of the

1627
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 2: greatest coaches we've seen in the game who have lasted

1628
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 2: a long long time and they're very good at managing

1629
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 2: their players and having those relationships, and it's it is

1630
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: a huge part of coaching, and I'm seeing that every day.

1631
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is. It's incredibly enjoyable it's rewarding. Look,

1632
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 2: I feel I feel blessed mate, like to to retire

1633
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 2: last year and be able to do two jobs. I'm

1634
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: absolutely loving, you know, one who is in at Fox

1635
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 2: League with you guys made and then starting off my

1636
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 2: coaching journey back at the club that I love like,

1637
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 2: I feel incredibly lucky and I'm just yeah, I'm just

1638
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: enjoying both roles, like, yeah, heck of lot this podcast.

1639
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,080
Speaker 3: Yeahs, you finally made it.

1640
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: We've taken it too much of your time. I got

1641
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: a final question. Actually, this given brought to you by

1642
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: Corey Woddell. He's sent in a question. It's one of

1643
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: the great thinkers of our generation.

1644
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 3: Last week, wasn't the app on his toes? He was

1645
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 3: jumping and driving with the ball on his.

1646
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: Hand in there. Yeah, well, he didn't know if he

1647
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: was going to get on. He was not a six

1648
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: man bench. He was sitting there. He was going to

1649
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: play or not. Shout out to him. But he said,

1650
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: all right, this is great, and this is you might

1651
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: even get him a start. Forget all of your football memories,

1652
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: forget everything. You've got to erase everything, but you're only

1653
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,560
Speaker 1: allowed to keep one. What are you keeping fuzz.

1654
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 2: Well not not a footy memory.

1655
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: Football memories, but you can only keep one that you

1656
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: can remember for the rest of your life. Everything else

1657
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: you forget. One of the great thinkers.

1658
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 4: A question, thanks was Ford.

1659
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you wouldn't keep when Calen Pong

1660
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 1: are absolutely that highlight gets circulated like I reckon one.

1661
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: Way when I'm playing for cannab good. You know what. Look,

1662
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm not making excuses, but I would come back from Cinders.

1663
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 2: I'll come back early. I did. It shouldn't have been

1664
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: playing for another three weeks. I could not run that

1665
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 2: game and he done me like an absolute Look, you

1666
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: know what, I could say the Premiership with many, but

1667
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: I'm not going to. I'd say my last game, my

1668
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 2: last every game mate playing for New Zealand.

1669
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, winning against.

1670
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: The two years prior in Hamilton, but but yeah, I

1671
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 2: feel like it was such a proud moment for me, mate,

1672
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 2: Like I knew I was retiring, and to go out

1673
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 2: there with those boys and and play the way that

1674
01:21:54,160 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 2: we played and get the win for our country, That'll

1675
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 2: live with me forever. Like that was such a proud

1676
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 2: moment and it was the end of it for me.

1677
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: But it was. Yeah, it was extremely si.

1678
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: Those key week camps sound like like when I play

1679
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: with a lot of keys at melbourn er Own Brandon.

1680
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: Those lads when they come back from like a Malti

1681
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: camp or a New Zealand camp, they were a little

1682
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: bit more connected to their culture. Their accent was a

1683
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: little bit for sure, but the way they talk about

1684
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 1: like your squads and like the fun you guys that

1685
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 1: have away from the field. Obviously this success on the field,

1686
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: it was just so highly that said, some of the

1687
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: best memorages.

1688
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah they are. They've been some of the most enjoyable

1689
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 2: times throughout my footy careers, going into key weekends and yeah,

1690
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 2: just yeah, to see the way in which we've grown

1691
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: that jersey over the last few years, particularly like you know,

1692
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 2: we're in a really strong position moving.

1693
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: Forward really and KP is going to be joined on this.

1694
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 2: Year, huge massive news.

1695
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 3: Just to finish with it, I just want to ask you,

1696
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 3: so I'm just really curious for like what does for

1697
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 3: young for ke guys, when you line up and you.

1698
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 4: Do the harker, what does that give you?

1699
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 2: Well, it's like for a young Kiwi boy, it's everything

1700
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: right because from the moment you're sort of born and

1701
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 2: raised there. You're doing the hacker at home, right, you're

1702
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 2: practicing doing the hacker, you know, in front of the

1703
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 2: TV when the All Blacks play or when the Kiwis play.

1704
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 2: A lot of kids now got school hackers and things

1705
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: like that, so it's such a huge part of the culture.

1706
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 2: But for me personally, it just doesn't get any better

1707
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 2: than when you're standing there doing the hacker before a game,

1708
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: because it's the moment you dreamt of as a young boy.

1709
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: You know, It's that moment that you were like, I

1710
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: want to be like Stacy Jones Ruben Wiki when I'm older,

1711
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: and then you're finally you're doing it. You're where they

1712
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: were and that Yeah, that for me has always been

1713
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: such a proud moment because you're representing your country and

1714
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 2: everything that it stands for and the hacker is that right?

1715
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: It is that for New Zealand, Like, it's it's something.

1716
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's almost big. It's bigger than country, isn't it?

1717
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 4: Cultural? Spiritual?

1718
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's spine tingling. You just you struggle

1719
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,759
Speaker 2: to hold back your emotion with it. You've seen guys

1720
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: over the years nearly pass out I've seen Jared Hardgraves

1721
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 2: pass out and the hucker, Wow, it's it, like lose

1722
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 2: his feet and start to black out like it's yeah,

1723
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: it's it's it's crazy stuff.

1724
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 4: But with alcohol.

1725
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: Two hours you both.

1726
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: I can Actually we've had some great guests on this partty,

1727
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: if anyone ever asked me from this point on, obviously

1728
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: it might change next week. This has been my favorite follow.

1729
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 1: I've laughed, I've got emotional, this is amazing.

1730
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 2: You boys are great on your who's.

1731
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: Your favorite favorite?

1732
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 3: Maybe your Fox Ports then yeah, you're welcome