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Speaker 1: We talk about a lot of issues on this program,

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Speaker 1: but one now men's health and mental health particularly. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined in the studio the honorable Sarah Game, MLC, Upper

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Speaker 1: House MP for One Nation and John Manyon is here

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Speaker 1: as well from Breakthrough Mental Health. Good morning to both

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Speaker 1: of you. Thank you for coming in.

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Speaker 2: Good morning mining mate.

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Speaker 1: Sarah, you're instrumental in helping secure one hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: from the state government to support the Suicide Prevention Fellowship

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Speaker 1: in Men's Mental Health through the Breakthrough Mental Health Foundation.

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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about that.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much, Matthew. As you know, I've had

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Speaker 3: a real passion around raising awareness in Parliament for men's

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Speaker 3: mental health and also for wanting to celebrate I think

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Speaker 3: the contribution that men make to society, and so for me,

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Speaker 3: it's something that I've been advocating to directly to the Premier.

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Speaker 3: I think it's that we've started to raise awareness about

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Speaker 3: men's issues and men's mental health, but I also think

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Speaker 3: it's time that we start bridging the gap in the

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Speaker 3: funding for men's health and men's mental health, so a

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Speaker 3: little bit more action as well from the government. So

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Speaker 3: I was really happy with the Premier and the Labor

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Speaker 3: government actually for supporting me with my advocacy in this

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Speaker 3: area and achieving this one hundred thousand dollars towards what

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Speaker 3: I think is that their first fellowship into male suicide

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Speaker 3: in particular.

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Speaker 1: John, how will that work tell us about the fellowship?

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Speaker 1: What do you hope that's all the truth?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so that the fellowship, And first of all, thank

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Speaker 2: you Sarah for for your advocacy and also to acknowledge

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Speaker 2: that the state governments has invested one hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: which is make a big impact onto this piece of work.

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Speaker 2: It's a part of a domino from an event we

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Speaker 2: had last night. So we held the men's biggest men's

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Speaker 2: meals and mental health event last night at they had

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Speaker 2: laid Oval. We had over six hundred people join us

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Speaker 2: for this event. The aim and objective was to normalize

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Speaker 2: the mental health conversation, share some stories, develop some skills

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Speaker 2: together and open up and break down some of the blocks,

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Speaker 2: the barriers, the stigma for which we struggle to reach

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Speaker 2: out for. So we know that we lose nine Australians

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Speaker 2: every day to suicide, and seven of those of men,

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Speaker 2: and that about forty three percent of men will experience

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Speaker 2: a mental health challenge in their lifetimes, yet a quarter

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Speaker 2: of those won't go and get help, So there's still

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Speaker 2: that block, that barrier. So the aim really for the

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Speaker 2: fellowship was to start to explore further into the causes.

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Speaker 2: What are the challenges we actually face, how do we

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Speaker 2: break those down, what's the strategies we want to start

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Speaker 2: to explore are the strategies working. If they're not working,

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Speaker 2: what do we do about that? And how do we

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Speaker 2: alter and change that. So it's a beautiful opportunity to

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Speaker 2: sort of connect the research arm with all the clinical

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Speaker 2: sort of service deliveries and also then look at that

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Speaker 2: early intervention prevention. How do we stop this crisis actually

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Speaker 2: occurring in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the key to it, isn't it. Side the fellowship, Now,

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Speaker 1: who would be the sort of person who would take

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the fellowship's going to be facilitated through in

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Speaker 2: partnership with Flinner's University, and they were fabulous last night.

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Speaker 2: They also anounce that not only with the funding we're

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Speaker 2: align a PhD student for the three years of that

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Speaker 2: more depth and strength into the research. It's a multi

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Speaker 2: disciplinary opportunity, So we have researchers who work in nursing,

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Speaker 2: aim and objective is to get an advert out to

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Speaker 2: help us drill into this. So it could be anyone

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Speaker 1: Is it It's not simple, obviously, but is it as

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Speaker 1: basic as getting likes to open up more.

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Speaker 2: It's a great starting point. Knowledge is a great starting

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Speaker 2: when you break that down, there's a lot of other

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Speaker 2: We do an activation and did an activation last night.

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Speaker 2: We took the whole party, all six hundred people, down

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Speaker 2: if you agree with the statement, you step forward to

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Speaker 2: the person opposite. We had six hundred people joining it

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Speaker 2: building you in, you know you're born in Adelaide, You're

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Speaker 2: through to I'm lonely, I'm isolated, I'm disconnected, I've been

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Speaker 2: bullied in the past. I utilized substances to manage my distress.

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Speaker 2: I've used them tonight. I felt the world sometimes would

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Speaker 2: question and step to line. If you feel like giving

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Speaker 2: you could hear the audible conversation. So you've broken down

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Speaker 1: Wow, how about that? It wasn't just because it was cold.

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Speaker 2: Well, it hasn't too bad actually. But then then that

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Speaker 2: it's a big room, it's beautifully set up, the noise

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Speaker 1: Book, can we just something else?

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Speaker 2: Very very powerful. Where then those conversations afterwards, you know

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Speaker 2: What do we do next? It's the next conversation we have,

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Speaker 2: how do we keep connection? And sharing some of those

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Speaker 3: That good act.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I started.

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Speaker 2: We're starting to see a shift and a change, and

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Speaker 2: there's a generation shift as well. As I was chatting

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Speaker 2: I think we just need to meet more regularly, and

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Speaker 2: that was that first starting point. And if that's what

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Speaker 2: And they were saying that, I think that'd be really

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Speaker 1: Noticed I heard you say yesterday just on that point,

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Speaker 1: David and Will And that's fine, and most people say

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Speaker 2: Because I think most of us we were really observant time,

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Speaker 2: I was just watching Sarah this morning. She's been sending

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Speaker 2: little checkpoints that you do, but we notice if someone's

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Speaker 2: that conversation always goes you know, are you okay? And

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Speaker 2: go I'm fine, I'm fine. But what as you said, Well, actually, Sary,

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Speaker 2: very powerful piece them building up the skills on top

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Speaker 2: how to listen and how to truly listen. Because one

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Speaker 2: and we don't have to be able to fix it.

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Speaker 2: But if we can listen and connect with somebody, it

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Speaker 2: Thank thanks Matthew for sharing that with me today. How

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Speaker 1: How about that, Sarah, Your interest and passion in this

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Speaker 1: Where does that come from?

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Speaker 3: I think it comes from so many different places, to

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Speaker 3: But and I think we get so busy and we

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Speaker 3: they will drop everything for you. I guess it's hard

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Speaker 3: to yes, acknowledge men's mental health, but we also need

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Speaker 3: to celebrate men and the contribution that men are making

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Speaker 3: and they're important to women, and they're important to children.

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Speaker 1: Well you had the first International Men's Day lunch yesterday

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Speaker 1: and no one else was celebrating that.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, well we had the first last year.

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Speaker 1: Ye say, yesterday, Yeah, last year.

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Speaker 3: It feels like yesterday. We have such fun memories of it,

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Speaker 3: And it meant a lot of It meant a lot

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Speaker 3: had someone chase me out after the event last night,

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Speaker 3: John who said, look, i' love your advocacy for man

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Speaker 3: do anything that would be useful. And we said, well,

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Speaker 3: actually be wonderful if you played some music at our

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Speaker 3: International men'sdayre coming up. So certainly November nineteenth having the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well done, well getting one hundred grand out of

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Speaker 1: the government for this. You've got some money out of

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Speaker 1: them recently, didn't you as well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly. I think Peter's gone overseas. Has it

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Speaker 3: need to flee me at that moment?

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Speaker 1: Keep doing it. I have a look at his travel

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Speaker 1: I generally lit hit them up. That's the way to

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Speaker 1: do it. Obviously, great meeting you both today. I'm so

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Speaker 1: pleased that this is going obviously well and the fellowship

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Speaker 1: coming online. So when will people be able to apply?

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Speaker 2: John we has got to finalize some of the last

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Speaker 2: planning now with the Flinn's University, but their aim is

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Speaker 2: national and international search for the position, which be very

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Speaker 2: exciting to bring in a specialist that's going to sort

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Speaker 1: All right, that'll be good. Now, put on your headphones

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Speaker 1: if you've got them in front of you, because Penny

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Speaker 1: Pratt is called in the shadow mental health minister, who

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Speaker 1: I understand was there last night as well. Penny Pratt,

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Speaker 4: Matthew, Good morning. I certainly was, and I've still got

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Speaker 4: tingles from the experience. So I thought it was important

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Speaker 4: that I lend my voice and support to the work

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Speaker 4: of Breakthrough Foundation and the extraordinary efforts that John has

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Speaker 4: gone to to lift awareness the men's health and noting

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Speaker 4: that Sarah gain Lucy Hood, Minister Chris Pickton, of course

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Speaker 4: the leader of the Opposition David Spears were all there

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Speaker 4: in support as well last night. We know because we

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Speaker 4: were there. It was a spine toingle experience with paralympians,

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Speaker 4: the Mental Health commissioner, footballers, but also I met people

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Speaker 4: from construction, agronomous researchers. John brought together six hundred people

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Speaker 4: shared interest and to be down on that hallo turf John,

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Speaker 4: as you know, where with some nervous energy we stood across,

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Speaker 4: It was a very special experience. The outcome of fundraising

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Speaker 4: and this fellowship through partnership with Slenders is significant for

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Speaker 4: our state and I just want to thank Breakthrough for

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Speaker 4: the works that they're doing in mental health and suicide prevention.

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Speaker 1: Good on your Penny, Thank you for the call Penny

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Speaker 1: Pratt shutout mental health Minister Sarah Game, well done again

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Speaker 1: on what you've done and John, great meeting you today

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Speaker 1: and fantastic work obviously that's going to continue into the

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Speaker 1: future and make a big difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really really grateful and it's again just thank

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Speaker 2: you for Sarah for our afficacy, but also for the

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Speaker 2: premiere and for a Minister Picton. They do have a

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Speaker 2: tough job and everyone's as getting for money. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: all going to ask for that and so really grateful.

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Speaker 2: This is our first step to hopefully building that bigger

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Speaker 2: investment into mental health. We've got big challenges in our community.

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Speaker 2: It's not just around the suicide area, it's around the

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Speaker 2: whole part of our mental health and well being. The

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Speaker 2: South Australians.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely we'll catch up, i'm sure in the near future

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Speaker 1: with both of you. Thank you so much for coming in.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much