Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sherry Little. In fact, you know Anthony Pratt
Speaker 1: getting around in that green suit. Apparently everyone who goes
Speaker 1: to the met gala that has to have their outfits
Speaker 1: approved by Anna wind tour in, the editor of one
Speaker 1: of those fashion Maga saintes See you didn't think the
Speaker 1: other like, don't just read that someone. All right, we've
Speaker 1: got a lot to get to tonight, including Kaus Samaris
Speaker 1: is back. Now normally we do a state of the
Speaker 1: Race with him, but we're going to get right into
Speaker 1: what Australia actually looks like. Now a lot of us
Speaker 1: have got assumptions, well, Australia is this in Australia is that?
Speaker 1: Well he's been watching it closer than anyone, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna tell us what Australia actually looks like and whether
Speaker 1: we have to reset our expectations of what people believe
Speaker 1: and what people want, whether we've tipped over into the
Speaker 1: dependent state, or whether people want to be left alone.
Speaker 1: We'll get into all of that, because it's not just
Speaker 1: the data. As part of what he was doing during
Speaker 1: the federal election campaign was talking to as many voters
Speaker 1: as possible who claimed to be undecided. The big winner
Speaker 1: of the past few days has been Nigel Farage. Now
Speaker 1: we've had to do without him here on Sky News
Speaker 1: for a little while because he has been working and
Speaker 1: working and working to get his Reform Party to be
Speaker 1: competitive where they were more than competitive. They've beat everyone
Speaker 1: in the local council elections all over the UK, more councilors,
Speaker 1: more seats, more mayoralties. And the man will tell us
Speaker 1: about what it's like to be a happy warrior, about
Speaker 1: why he thinks the UK politics is now starting to
Speaker 1: find a different path than any observations that he may
Speaker 1: will have about our election. All of that tonight, and
Speaker 1: I'm so pleased to say he is back now. As always,
Speaker 1: I'll have plenty of at the start of the show,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to try to save a bit more
Speaker 1: time for our guests tonight because I want to get
Speaker 1: into some of their insights after giving you some of mine.
Speaker 1: Now this might be a couple of days old, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to start as many shows as
Speaker 1: possible with something we can all agree on, And something
Speaker 1: we can all agree on is how awesome is Oscar Piastre.
Speaker 1: This bloke is leading the Formula One World title, and
Speaker 1: he's starting to look like if his form keeps going
Speaker 1: the way that he does, he's going to run away
Speaker 1: with it. It doesn't mean he's locked it away yet,
Speaker 1: but he's won multiple in a row. This bloke is
Speaker 1: absolutely kicking backside here. He was moaning in Miami early
Speaker 1: Monday morning.
Speaker 3: Yesterday was a tricky day. Obviously the sprint was what
Speaker 3: it was, but qualifying was probably one of my trickier
Speaker 3: sessions for the year, and to to come away with
Speaker 3: a win still on Sundays is an impressive result.
Speaker 1: Now, of course, his biggest rival is a bloke who
Speaker 1: is part of his team. Already, towards the end of
Speaker 1: last year, Lando Norris, a British driver, was doing better
Speaker 1: in terms of his results, so the team started to
Speaker 1: put its focus behind him. And Lando Norris is running
Speaker 1: second in the championship, So those two blokes are fighting
Speaker 1: it out. After a few more racest things, I think
Speaker 1: will start to move in terms of supporting Oscar even
Speaker 1: more so and Max Forstappen, the multiple time world champion, Well,
Speaker 1: a lot's got to go wrong for the two blokes
Speaker 1: in front, and lot's going to go right for anything
Speaker 1: to change, but an Australian on their way to world
Speaker 1: title success in Formula one something we can all agree
Speaker 1: on tonight. Now, no one's going to pretend the result
Speaker 1: wasn't the result.
Speaker 4: Part.
Speaker 1: We are going to talk about some silver linings that
Speaker 1: come out of the election, and there are a couple
Speaker 1: that are still proving themselves right now. Oh I love
Speaker 1: Zoey Daniel. Oh how good am I? I defeated the Libs.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be here forever. This was her on
Speaker 1: Saturday Night.
Speaker 5: It's been a hard campaign team.
Speaker 3: Being Goldstein.
Speaker 5: Hope wins.
Speaker 6: The Liberal Party threw everything out, us guys.
Speaker 1: Who everything, and we are standing here to celebrate on
Speaker 1: the teal And I'm gonna win three more years. But
Speaker 1: I have to wait a couple of days. And this
Speaker 1: headline kind says it. Oh, with eighty two percent of
Speaker 1: the vote counted, guess what. Zoey Daniel looks like she's
Speaker 1: on her way out. Hope did not win in the end,
Speaker 1: somebody else's Hope seems to have won, and Tim Wilson
Speaker 1: looks like he's back into the parliament now. Tim is
Speaker 1: very much a lefty Liberal and very much will be
Speaker 1: out and about instead of you know, doing the Q
Speaker 1: and a circuit about how the Liberal Party should be
Speaker 1: more like him and all the rest of it. But
Speaker 1: good on him. He didn't take the past three years
Speaker 1: lying down. He decided to turn around. He fought hard.
Speaker 1: And believe me, these climbate to two hundred people, they
Speaker 1: fight just as hard as anyone else in the game. Now,
Speaker 1: because of the pre pop vote, because of the postal vote,
Speaker 1: he's now getting into a place where people are calling
Speaker 1: the seat, including the great Tom Connell or the dancing
Speaker 1: was for things, So you can dance in your car now,
Speaker 1: but you're not going to be the MP. That's for
Speaker 1: another Teal, this one up in the seat of Bradfield. Now,
Speaker 1: this is Bradfield formally held by the Liberal Party for
Speaker 1: a long period of time. I say formerly because we
Speaker 1: still don't know exactly which way this thing is going
Speaker 1: to fall. But on Saturday night the Teal who wanted
Speaker 1: to become the MP there, you know, the one with
Speaker 1: the dirty jokes and the couldn't quite tell why the
Speaker 1: Teals weren't a party on social media. Well she was
Speaker 1: in front, then behind and now starting to fall behind,
Speaker 1: not by a big number. But the Liberal is up
Speaker 1: by fifty one votes. Now the postal votes are on
Speaker 1: their way back through reality years postal votes. Obviously they
Speaker 1: need to break a little more for the Liberals to
Speaker 1: start getting super confident here. So nobody's doing any dancing
Speaker 1: metaphorically or in reality. But good to see that the
Speaker 1: liber may well hold on in Bradfield. If not, the
Speaker 1: Teals have gone all in on this one. They thought
Speaker 1: this was the next on the list and if it
Speaker 1: means they can't grow the footprint in New South Wales,
Speaker 1: but in fact it'll pretty much stay the same. If
Speaker 1: it retracts in Victoria, that's a good thing for those
Speaker 1: of us who say a few less Teeals is.
Speaker 2: Not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: In Western Australia, the picture is not good for the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party been thumped. Remember their assumption was Labor Party
Speaker 1: one four seats, two of them will come back. Well,
Speaker 1: there was a brand new seat that appeared. Personally, I
Speaker 1: was a massive fan of Mia Davies, who is the
Speaker 1: National Party former leader. I think she's a star. If
Speaker 1: we get a chance to make her part of the
Speaker 1: round table of conversation, she'll always be welcomed here on
Speaker 1: Paul Murray Live. Well, of course, her finishing third means
Speaker 1: her preferences go to the liberal and the liberal and
Speaker 1: the seat of Bullwinkle is now leading by five hundred
Speaker 1: and forty four votes. So the brand new seat, which
Speaker 1: again Labor thought they were a chance, we'll see what happens. Again.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Bradfield settled. I'm not saying Bullwinkle is settled.
Speaker 1: One could go to a tier, one could go to Labor.
Speaker 1: But tonight that is the particular silver lining. But the
Speaker 1: one ray of sunshine in the shape of a band
Speaker 1: is what the voters of Melbourne have decided to do. Now.
Speaker 1: They claim nothing's going to break up the seat of
Speaker 1: Melbourne and the Greens leader and DJ and favored candidate
Speaker 1: of people on social media, some people on social media, Well,
Speaker 1: the numbers are not good for him. We've shown you
Speaker 1: them all the way through, and here he is saying
Speaker 1: that he thinks he's going to get there in the end.
Speaker 7: A number of the Lower House seats, of course, are
Speaker 7: now three three cornered contests. And so when there is
Speaker 7: a bit shift from Labor to Liberala, from Liberal to Labor,
Speaker 7: it has flown through consequences.
Speaker 1: See, his whole thing, right is as long as the
Speaker 1: fight ends up being me versus Labor, and the Greens
Speaker 1: always get the preferences from the Liberals because at the
Speaker 1: end of the day they want to deny Labor seats.
Speaker 1: He wins the seat. But the principal decision of the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party, which has helped the Labor Party at this
Speaker 1: election defeat many of the Greens that they have or
Speaker 1: potentially this one, is that they put their the Greens
Speaker 1: dead last, meaning that essentially the two thirds the even
Speaker 1: three here ends up uniting to knock off the Green.
Speaker 1: Now this isn't over yet, but it's on its way.
Speaker 1: I don't know why the count is so slow. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's other vote that comes from other places. But if
Speaker 1: one person is up by three thousand votes a couple
Speaker 1: of days after the election, it is unusual if that
Speaker 1: flips anytime soon. So it was a dark weekend. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to hide from it, not going to pretend.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend the Liberal Party did not
Speaker 1: get its backside handed to it. Or as I often
Speaker 1: say in a metaphor, that doesn't quite make sense to
Speaker 1: some people, but those who do understand it will they
Speaker 1: get it. They were turned inside out like an old
Speaker 1: pair of socks. No question about what the result was here,
Speaker 1: but a couple of silver linings along the way. They help,
Speaker 1: They help soothe the feelings of the past few days.
Speaker 1: Perhaps one til gone another won't get in lib over
Speaker 1: labor in one seat in Western Australia, and maybe, just maybe,
Speaker 1: just maybe bye bye bands, see what happens a law
Speaker 1: from now. As for whom the next Liberal Party leader
Speaker 1: is Susan Lay, the current Deputy Dan Teen, the current
Speaker 1: Shadow Immigration Minister, Angus Taylor the Shadow Treasurer. That's the three.
Speaker 1: The suggestion tonight is that Dan Teen is the least
Speaker 1: likely to be leader of the three. So does he
Speaker 1: get behind Angus Taylor or does he get behind Susan Lay.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not going to pretend to know the absolute
Speaker 1: inner workings of who backs who and who factionally this
Speaker 1: and who factionally that. But one name that has dropped out.
Speaker 1: It was first reported by Peter Kredlin last night. Reason
Speaker 1: why I should watch all of our shows all of
Speaker 1: the time is that Andrew Hasty is out of the race.
Speaker 1: Now I've got to say I'm disappointed. This bloke looks
Speaker 1: great on TV, had a great result in Western Australia
Speaker 1: represents a generational change and I think would be an
Speaker 1: absolutely fresh face for the leadership. I also know that
Speaker 1: he's got a young family and being a leader from
Speaker 1: Western Australia is very difficult. Why because of time zones,
Speaker 1: which means you've got to really early and you've got
Speaker 1: to spend plenty of time on the East Coast fundraising,
Speaker 1: many time away from your family. But if you run
Speaker 1: for a set in Parliament, one always presumes there's one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people who think they should be the
Speaker 1: leader of their party and eventually should be the Prime minister.
Speaker 1: And I know that the more cynical part of us
Speaker 1: will say, well, he's just sitting back and waiting and
Speaker 1: somebody else can have the hospital past of the next
Speaker 1: three years or the next six years and then he
Speaker 1: comes to prominence. I don't like that attitude, and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that is his attitude, but I say everyone
Speaker 1: should be seen who wants to lead today, tomorrow or
Speaker 1: in ten years time should put up their hand to
Speaker 1: show that they should be considered in such a fashion.
Speaker 1: So I'm disappointed that he's not going to be running,
Speaker 1: but it seems like it is now down to Angus
Speaker 1: Taylor versus Susan Lay. Now I'm not going to suggest
Speaker 1: which one should or shouldn't win, or is or isn't
Speaker 1: going to win, but there are a couple of things
Speaker 1: that I think people should consider about not just learning
Speaker 1: a lesson, but be seen to be learning a lesson
Speaker 1: after an election result before eight was cast, there are
Speaker 1: more women in the Australian political system than there are
Speaker 1: men in virtually every single state in the country. In fact,
Speaker 1: there's nine point two million female voters eight point eight
Speaker 1: male voters. And just to make my point one more time,
Speaker 1: of the twelve seats of the Liberal Party lost all twelve, one, two, three, four, seven, eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 1: eleven twelve seats had more female voters in them than men.
Speaker 1: Nothing to see here, nothing at all to me. It
Speaker 1: seems fairly obvious. And again I'm not endorsing, but come on,
Speaker 1: you want to be not just learn a lesson, but
Speaker 1: seem to be a lesson. You've got a deputy seems
Speaker 1: to me like a fairly obvious choice. But we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens and we'll talk with either into the future.
Speaker 1: Plenty of people who are part of the Liberal Party
Speaker 1: have had plenty to say in the past couple of days.
Speaker 1: He's just a sample of what they think went wrong
Speaker 1: and where they should go to from here. Elections are
Speaker 1: bruising and at the moment the Liberal and National Parties
Speaker 1: have got soul soarching to.
Speaker 8: Do in those communities which really do rely on work
Speaker 8: from home.
Speaker 9: It did do some damage, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 10: I think there are people inside the party that didn't
Speaker 10: want Peter to become the prime minister.
Speaker 5: We are facing an existential crisis here.
Speaker 10: We really need to change quite fundamentally how we go
Speaker 10: about business, and.
Speaker 4: The main issue is that we didn't have enough work
Speaker 4: done and we had many years to develop policy, and
Speaker 4: agreeably there was not enough ambition, particularly on the economics site.
Speaker 11: We need to listen to what the country are telling us,
Speaker 11: and through their voting, they're telling us that they don't
Speaker 11: see themselves represented in the Liberal Party as we stand
Speaker 11: here today, and we need to understand that and we
Speaker 11: need to move forward.
Speaker 8: I know who I won't be supporting. I think when
Speaker 8: you've had roles leading what was supposed to be the
Speaker 8: economic narrative, when you were supposed to be putting together
Speaker 8: tax policies, you were supposed to be delivering that sort
Speaker 8: of messaging for the coalition.
Speaker 5: There's certain people that I think need to.
Speaker 8: Do a lot of reflection themselves on what their role
Speaker 8: was in miss laws and perhaps putting your hand up
Speaker 8: for the leadership is not exactly where your strength lies.
Speaker 10: We were let down by posters and strategists, which frankly
Speaker 10: gave us a bum steer of the worst order. And
Speaker 10: now we have the result to fit those bits of
Speaker 10: bad advice. Where was the urgent care clinics in the
Speaker 10: small communities? Where was our support for the tazzy health system?
Speaker 10: Labor did it?
Speaker 5: We didn't.
Speaker 10: We were ignored with our requests and as a result
Speaker 10: we've lost Bass, We've lost Braddon, and I can't say
Speaker 10: there's getting lines anytime soon.
Speaker 1: All right, So impressive haircuts and very strong opinions in
Speaker 1: all of that. Geez, I wonder whom Polly Hughes may
Speaker 1: be talking about. She's almost having fun with what is
Speaker 1: going on right now. But there is one grip that
Speaker 1: I am not going to let off the hook. The
Speaker 1: posters who were so wrong, I mean so wrong. These
Speaker 1: were the posters who were the private polsters to the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party. The Freshwater Organization and some sideries around it.
Speaker 1: These were the people who claimed that they were fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty and lots of seeds. They claimed that the
Speaker 1: leader was five points up in his seat when he
Speaker 1: was on his way out the door. Now, as we
Speaker 1: showed you on Sunday night, the poster took to the
Speaker 1: Sydney Morning Sorry to the Financial Review to say the
Speaker 1: three different reasons why they missed it and they are
Speaker 1: doing everything they can too possibly save their backside. Why
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of money involved here. You lose
Speaker 1: a contract to be the poster for a media organization,
Speaker 1: you lose a lot of money. But in the same
Speaker 1: way that the Morgan Pole told us that Mark Latham
Speaker 1: was going to be the prime minister, the Freshwater pole
Speaker 1: needs to spend probably three years in the wilderness. That's
Speaker 1: just the way it goes. They have to show that
Speaker 1: they get it right before they even get invited back
Speaker 1: into the room, let alone actually back into the heart
Speaker 1: of a decision maker when it comes to a political
Speaker 1: party and nice try the people inside either the Liberal
Speaker 1: Party or the polling organization who knows who've decided to
Speaker 1: start leaking the truth that was really being told by
Speaker 1: the posters. There's plenty of evidence that I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: plenty of people will be willing to push back to
Speaker 1: say nice try saying I was always telling you were
Speaker 1: headed in the wrong direction when the numbers night after
Speaker 1: night after night after night, week after week after week
Speaker 1: after week, were wrong, way wrong. So I get it,
Speaker 1: and I get what they're doing, and I get how
Speaker 1: they're trying to save their backside, and they know that
Speaker 1: throwing the Liberal Party under the bus is the way
Speaker 1: to save their own backside. But the reality is the
Speaker 1: reputational damage when you get it wrong. And this is
Speaker 1: the thing about Pulses that I will say I actually
Speaker 1: admire is that we can tell straight up if they
Speaker 1: get it right or they're wrong. Now we know that
Speaker 1: News poll pretty close, we know that red Bridge the
Speaker 1: people that we like to talk to, and obviously Costumarus
Speaker 1: has been a big part of our pre election and
Speaker 1: now post election. Look is guest on the show tonight
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about how Australia has changed in lots
Speaker 1: of different ways. In fact, we'll do that in some
Speaker 1: detail in a couple of moments. Time they nailed it,
Speaker 1: well done, high fives, you get to play again and
Speaker 1: we trust you over the next three years. But the
Speaker 1: people who were saying as late as a week and
Speaker 1: a bit ago, the Libs are going to go in
Speaker 1: ten seats, You're off to the wilderness. And no amount
Speaker 1: of trying to leak against the Liberals or the politicians
Speaker 1: who lost the election is going to save their backside,
Speaker 1: all right, and speaking about how the vote has changed
Speaker 1: over time. I want to spend a bit of time
Speaker 1: on this because this is going to be part of
Speaker 1: our discussion tonight. Now again, we're not going to wallow.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the Libs lost, right, you know
Speaker 1: the Libs lost. They lost big, and you know where
Speaker 1: they lost everywhere. You know, there's some silver linings where
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a win back here, a
Speaker 1: little come back there. Great, but there are deeper things
Speaker 1: inside worth talking about. Now. For those that have only
Speaker 1: just joined us or maybe missed a show on Sunday,
Speaker 1: I want to point you to Sky News. Do that?
Speaker 1: Are you to the YouTube channel? And I make sure
Speaker 1: on our socials just go searching for Paul Murray Live
Speaker 1: that I have posted my response to the election now
Speaker 1: similar to Peter and her spectacular detailed response last night.
Speaker 1: All of that is up to be seen, and I
Speaker 1: will take it as read that you will have seen
Speaker 1: those things, so you're able to see the five ideas
Speaker 1: that I had for the organization, the emotional side of
Speaker 1: things about millions of people who aren't feeling great. So
Speaker 1: I'm not just going to repeat that over and over
Speaker 1: and over for everyone who has missed it, but point
Speaker 1: you in the direction that yes, that has been said.
Speaker 1: And I'm not shying away from the difficulties of just
Speaker 1: a few days ago, and in a few weeks it
Speaker 1: will be just as difficult, and in a few months
Speaker 1: it will be just as difficult. All Right, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to sit in the world of denial and happy talk.
Speaker 1: We're going to deal with the reality of things. But
Speaker 1: there are a few things that no political party had
Speaker 1: any hand in involving itself in this election. This does not,
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form watered down how bad
Speaker 1: things were for the Libs. Okay, make it very clear,
Speaker 1: May I yell it to the cheap, cheap seats almost
Speaker 1: that are going to try to say there he is
Speaker 1: trying to find a way around it. No, no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: couldn't be more honest painfully honest about what has happened.
Speaker 1: But I want to show you the polling that I
Speaker 1: thought was most correct during the election, and it shows
Speaker 1: us that events outside of anything that either party could do,
Speaker 1: did push people in a direction. Now, the politicians, the media,
Speaker 1: the social media, they help exacerbate these pushes, so maybe
Speaker 1: they become slightly bigger or slightly smaller, depending on what
Speaker 1: side of the fence that you live in. Now, I've
Speaker 1: shown you already before that more women were voting in
Speaker 1: this election than at any other time before, and more
Speaker 1: than men. I've also shown you that when you look
Speaker 1: at the electoral Role, which in many ways is kind
Speaker 1: of one of the best polls that's out there, because
Speaker 1: you can go by seating workout under fifty over fifty,
Speaker 1: and that number is pretty clear. There's six hundred and
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand more people under the age of fifty than
Speaker 1: the eight point eight million people who are under the
Speaker 1: age of fifty. I'm going to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: this every six months and every year between now and
Speaker 1: the election, because we are going to start to get
Speaker 1: to see what is really going on, and also what
Speaker 1: we can have a look at here is the waves. Now,
Speaker 1: this was done where there were five different polls that
Speaker 1: were done by the Red Bridge organization that focused in
Speaker 1: on twenty seats that are known to have been marginal seats,
Speaker 1: sometimes Liberals, sometimes Labor. Okay, Now, the way to read
Speaker 1: this chart is to look at the bottom right hand
Speaker 1: corner first, because that was wave one, when the Liberal
Speaker 1: Party was fifty two, the Labor Party was forty eight.
Speaker 1: In the second wave it was fifty to fifty. In
Speaker 1: the third wave it was Labor fifty three forty seven,
Speaker 1: in the fourth wave it was forty five fifty five,
Speaker 1: and in the last it was exactly the same. So
Speaker 1: as you can read from the bottom right to the
Speaker 1: top left for the Labor Party, it works in exactly
Speaker 1: the opposite direction when you start to see them two
Speaker 1: starting off behind and then moving in front the further
Speaker 1: time went. Now, I want to break this down and
Speaker 1: talk about apart from the debates, apart from the ads,
Speaker 1: apart from the social media, apart from all of that stuff,
Speaker 1: that the Liberals got wrong, the Labor got right, and
Speaker 1: that the Liberal Party got punished for again no excuses,
Speaker 1: but just about understanding all right. In the first wave
Speaker 1: and the first poll which was towards the start of February,
Speaker 1: the Labor Party was behind the Liberal Party fifty two
Speaker 1: forty eight. And then in February the first of the
Speaker 1: Reserve Bank rate cuts took place. That leveled the game
Speaker 1: because in the second wave of polling it was essentially
Speaker 1: fifty fifty. See the difference between Wave one and Wave two.
Speaker 1: The difference between Wave three and Wave four was that
Speaker 1: on the twenty eighth of February, Trump had that fight
Speaker 1: with Zelinsky in the White House. On April two, remember
Speaker 1: this was the period of time where the election was
Speaker 1: being delayed. Trump introduced the tariffs on Australia on April
Speaker 1: the second. The stock market had its panic on April
Speaker 1: the seventh. So see the difference between before the rate
Speaker 1: cut and before some of the more controversial, if not
Speaker 1: outright annoying things about Trump and his effect on Australian politics.
Speaker 1: You saw it, fifty two forty eight became fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty became fifty two forty eight. Then the difference between
Speaker 1: Wave three and Wave four was the decision to dump
Speaker 1: telling public servants that they had to work from home
Speaker 1: now again their internal information was telling them that things
Speaker 1: were in trouble. But they also were seen from the
Speaker 1: external polling a slide from leading in February fifty two
Speaker 1: forty eight to losing in March fifty two forty seven,
Speaker 1: and then the final two waves of the last two
Speaker 1: weeks of the campaign they basically land in the same
Speaker 1: spot fifty four and a bit fifty five and a bit.
Speaker 1: Essentially the end result fifty five forty five. The result
Speaker 1: Albo wins and Albo wins big. So the Liberal Party
Speaker 1: still had all the same candidates, still had the electorate
Speaker 1: that was younger and more female than before, but still
Speaker 1: in all of those sectors it was leading. Now again,
Speaker 1: I am not sitting here and I am not pretending
Speaker 1: that the Liberal Party did not do everything it could
Speaker 1: to lose the election. And I'm not pretending and I
Speaker 1: am not giving credit to the Labor Party for the
Speaker 1: making the most of all of the things that were
Speaker 1: beyond their control. But they were able to turn into
Speaker 1: the narratives that it wasn't the time to change the government,
Speaker 1: or that the worst of times was behind us. And
Speaker 1: in all of the different demographics again age and gender,
Speaker 1: there is one group of people that kind of represent
Speaker 1: the absolute middle of Australia now, generally speaking, in age,
Speaker 1: these people will most predominantly be between thirty five and
Speaker 1: fifty five. So there's a little bit in the under fifty,
Speaker 1: but a little bit more in the under fifty, and
Speaker 1: a little bit in the over fifty. And that is
Speaker 1: mortgage holders, the people who had had twelve interest rate
Speaker 1: rises that had happened, the people who we had spoken about,
Speaker 1: because every piece of evidence was that this was a
Speaker 1: group that was ready for some sort of radical change
Speaker 1: because the amount of money that they had had to
Speaker 1: spend on servicing those loans was going up and up,
Speaker 1: up up. Well again, let me show you the sub
Speaker 1: sect of polling, subsection of polling from the red Bridge
Speaker 1: group in wave one, in wave two, Okay, in Wave one,
Speaker 1: the Libs were winning them fifty one forty nine. This
Speaker 1: was still below the overall number, so it was a
Speaker 1: pretty tight fight. But then as soon as interest rates
Speaker 1: did get cut for the first time, guess what happened.
Speaker 1: It became a fifty to fifty race again, still something
Speaker 1: that absolutely either side could have won. But after the
Speaker 1: events when it came to Trump, and then more importantly
Speaker 1: the stock market reaction to the Trump tariffs, which saw
Speaker 1: people concerned about money. Guess what happened. Fifty one forty
Speaker 1: nine becomes fifty three forty seven and guess where it
Speaker 1: lands for the final part of the campaign fifty five
Speaker 1: forty five. So that is an overall sign of perhaps
Speaker 1: the biggest group who were sliding a certain way that
Speaker 1: slidered back another way. On top of the demographic issues
Speaker 1: that are more people under the age of fifty, more females.
Speaker 1: Every single seat where the Liberal Party lost there were
Speaker 1: more female voters than males. Just part of the conversation
Speaker 1: we're going to have with Cos Samoris, of course, the
Speaker 1: great man from Redbridge. Not to wallow in the result,
Speaker 1: but again to step back and look a little bit further.
Speaker 1: What does somebody who's under the age of fifty want
Speaker 1: out of a political party? What was something that they
Speaker 1: were saying that changed during the election, What was something
Speaker 1: when it came to male and female voters that never
Speaker 1: changed during the election, And what are some of the
Speaker 1: things that did change during the election. Now, again this
Speaker 1: is not wallowing in the result. This is understanding the result,
Speaker 1: and it's understanding Australia. It's under Austra Understanding Australia as
Speaker 1: it is not as sometimes some people guess it to be.
Speaker 1: But just in case that might be slightly depressing for you.
Speaker 1: Can we see Zoey Dan Zoe Daniel dancing again when
Speaker 1: she thought she was one but she actually lost.
Speaker 12: KOs Samaras he joins us as well as Nigel Ferrat.
Speaker 12: Costa Mars is the boss of the Red Bridge organization.
Speaker 12: We've spoken to him a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: He features very regularly across the Australian media and he's
Speaker 1: the man who got it most right when it came
Speaker 1: to the election and what was changing and the subgroups
Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. I've already got a
Speaker 1: couple of emails from people saying, hey, move on from
Speaker 1: the election.
Speaker 2: Don't worry.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 1: But this is a bloke and can tell us about
Speaker 1: what Australia is at the moment and what it demands
Speaker 1: of its politicians and if you would like a different
Speaker 1: result in three, six, nine, twelve or however many years
Speaker 1: Elbow plans to rule for these are going to be
Speaker 1: the keys. Cose love you to see you mate. Did
Speaker 1: I get it right about that? Mortgage Holders as an
Speaker 1: example of a key driver.
Speaker 6: It was a really good illustration of how how the
Speaker 6: country moved over that period of the campaign. And you know,
Speaker 6: whether it was the mortgage holders and obviously those key
Speaker 6: events that shaped the campaign, we know that the external
Speaker 6: external events, you know, particularly around Trump, had a very
Speaker 6: profound impact on the body politic of this country and
Speaker 6: you could see that with the waves. You've done a
Speaker 6: really good job in illustrating how those waves moved through.
Speaker 6: It's important for your viewers to to know that, you know,
Speaker 6: us as posters, that's the sort of data we look
Speaker 6: at and we can just see things move. And then
Speaker 6: you dig deep into the data and you quickly realize
Speaker 6: you know what's moving the needle in one direction or
Speaker 6: the other, and you get a pretty good picture to
Speaker 6: what's motivating Australians.
Speaker 1: And then again it's up to the political parties to
Speaker 1: make the most of those movements right to see. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's why they talk about this, when they talk
Speaker 1: about this, this is why all of those things. Now,
Speaker 1: was there any other group that moved in a similar pattern?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the result would suggest most, but was
Speaker 1: there a particular group that was somewhere in February that
Speaker 1: was somewhere else by Saturday.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, the biggest group of Australians that moved from the
Speaker 6: Coalition to minor parties and then breaferenced Labor were people
Speaker 6: in their forties and fifties who are renting and who
Speaker 6: have got a mortgage. You know, you reference the mortgage
Speaker 6: component there, but also renters as well. And these two groups,
Speaker 6: you know, in their forties and fifties, you could.
Speaker 5: You kind of see why. I mean, they are in.
Speaker 6: Their forties and fifties and they're renting and they've got
Speaker 6: a mortgage. They're probably looking at their life ahead of
Speaker 6: them and they're thinking, hell, you know, I'm probably not
Speaker 6: going to pay off this mortgage for the time I
Speaker 6: get to retirement. You know, lots of anxiety, lots of stress.
Speaker 6: Clearly not fans of Labor right at the beginning of
Speaker 6: February and so you know, they took one look at
Speaker 6: the Coalition thought, no, they're not offering anything as a solution.
Speaker 5: I'm off and can I.
Speaker 1: Ask a speculative question. And this is one where there's
Speaker 1: not going to be the data, but you're going to
Speaker 1: remember the faces and the voices from all of the
Speaker 1: people who were talking to you during the election, if
Speaker 1: there hadn't been that interest rate fall, would that because
Speaker 1: obviously interstrate full meant labor was able to say, hey,
Speaker 1: worst is over, We're on our way where we've come
Speaker 1: up and over the hill. Do you think that that
Speaker 1: interest rate change did open the door to them looking
Speaker 1: at a different way to preference.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And so what it did is that it gave
Speaker 6: people license to think, well, I'm going to choose the
Speaker 6: less of the two evils.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't like any of them. You know.
Speaker 6: So these voters I've talked about that went from the
Speaker 6: colish to minor parties, well, at least the mob that
Speaker 6: are currently in government seem to know some idea what's
Speaker 6: going on.
Speaker 5: That's why the interest rates has dropped.
Speaker 6: And you know, they seem to have a pretty clear
Speaker 6: policy plan, although I think that most of them are
Speaker 6: band aids. So I'm going to for then, I'm going
Speaker 6: to preference them. I'm going to vote for them on
Speaker 6: a party first, and that's the key, right, And so
Speaker 6: it's the lesson of the two evils or least worst option.
Speaker 5: That's what's happened to you.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to get dangerously close to asking you
Speaker 1: questions that you charge to answer, so feel free. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate that insight very much, and whoever's willing to
Speaker 1: sign them up, do it because you're going to get
Speaker 1: an advantage in whatever industry you're in in the next
Speaker 1: little while. This particular, like I decided for understanding to
Speaker 1: have a the under fifty over fifty and the male
Speaker 1: female as the general split to try to understand things.
Speaker 1: Married it with the electoral role, and you start to
Speaker 1: see that, oh, there might be the male female problem
Speaker 1: because there are more female voters than there are male
Speaker 1: by about half amdian. That's significant when you're at thousands
Speaker 1: here and thousands there. It might be significant that when
Speaker 1: pretty much again a very significant amount. I think it's
Speaker 1: about six hundred thousand this time between the under fifty
Speaker 1: over fifty. Let's talk about that in terms of whether
Speaker 1: you are team red, Team Blue, Team Orange, or team
Speaker 1: something else. Let's talk about people who are under fifty
Speaker 1: before you even start talking about Peter dr and Anthony
Speaker 1: ibneasy labor or liberal. Tell me what somebody under the
Speaker 1: age of fifty expects from politics. That may not be
Speaker 1: what somebody who's over fifty or Gen X wants from politics.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely that This is why we generally always talk
Speaker 6: about Malleias and gen Z because they are very different
Speaker 6: to older generations.
Speaker 5: So gen X and Burma's and older very different.
Speaker 6: They have a very strong view that their quality of
Speaker 6: life they are living and will live is going to
Speaker 6: be a lesser quality than their parents they are obviously,
Speaker 6: you know, if they're renting.
Speaker 5: They think they'll never own a home.
Speaker 6: There's all sorts of things going in that space which
Speaker 6: is making them feel quite angry about the world around them.
Speaker 6: You know, they've grown up in a family. You know,
Speaker 6: their parents have owned.
Speaker 5: A home or they were paying off the home.
Speaker 6: And a particular life stile where they thought if they
Speaker 6: went to school and study hard and went to university
Speaker 6: and got the degree or went to tape and got
Speaker 6: a qualification, that they will follow in the fullstep of
Speaker 6: their parents. And they're not doing that, and so there's
Speaker 6: a lot of anger there. So hence we see amongst
Speaker 6: under fifty year olds the lowest levels of values connection
Speaker 6: with the major parties. So I think it goes down
Speaker 6: to about you know, with gen Z down to twenty percent,
Speaker 6: a lot of people out there just have no tribal
Speaker 6: Lawdy to anyone.
Speaker 1: So again, there's this concept of conservative and progressive and
Speaker 1: that pushes you in one way or the other. As
Speaker 1: you say, the younger you go, the less that is.
Speaker 1: But somebody's going to sit and say, well, isn't that
Speaker 1: the way it's always been? Is there a counter to
Speaker 1: that perception?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, So if you look at our generation Gen X,
Speaker 6: you know, we in our twenties largely fifty two forty
Speaker 6: eight towards labor in general.
Speaker 5: The boomers have been a bit different.
Speaker 6: They've gotten they have become a lot more conservative as
Speaker 6: they've gotten older. Millennial we've traced their voting behavior since
Speaker 6: so when the early twenties to now, the oldest one
Speaker 6: is forty four years of age. So we have a
Speaker 6: really good long form set of data that shows us
Speaker 6: they're not moving.
Speaker 5: To the right or to conservative politics.
Speaker 6: Well, one of the drives is because they've got nothing
Speaker 6: to conserve, right, they don't own a home, they don't
Speaker 6: own as many assets as older Australians, so therefore they
Speaker 6: don't think of the world like older Australians do. So
Speaker 6: that's fundamentally the biggest break. And I think home ownership
Speaker 6: is the break here. You know, like Robert Menzies, you know,
Speaker 6: with the Coalition understood that and home ownership was the
Speaker 6: epicenter of the liberal cause, and I think that's been
Speaker 6: disconnected from the liberal cause today.
Speaker 1: So when somebody is sitting in those groups and they're
Speaker 1: talking about things like home ownership, reality is a unit
Speaker 1: in a Sydney or Melbourne or Brisbane is going to
Speaker 1: be the best part of a million bucks. They're not
Speaker 1: going to be perhaps earning maybe they're earning around one
Speaker 1: hundred grand, the capacity for them to eventually get to
Speaker 1: a deposit. And this is what was really interesting was
Speaker 1: is that you could see people liked the idea of
Speaker 1: a lower deposit under Labor, people liked the idea of
Speaker 1: some of the mortgage repayments being tax deductible under the Libs.
Speaker 1: I get that. The answer is, well, a bit of everything,
Speaker 1: But for both sides, the reality is that the thing
Speaker 1: of which people covert is becoming more expensive and the
Speaker 1: amount of money that you earn is not as much
Speaker 1: that will get you to that coveting. So that's the
Speaker 1: sort of area that they need to be talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, So you know, when I purchased my home for
Speaker 6: the first time, I was in my thirties, it was
Speaker 6: probably about was the price that was paid around seven
Speaker 6: years annual salary. It's now fifteen. Where my parents bought
Speaker 6: a home Boomers, it was probably three or four or
Speaker 6: five whatever that is. So going to your point, you know,
Speaker 6: we're dealing with a generation now that's facing a significant
Speaker 6: different lifestyle than all the Australians and that's shaping their
Speaker 6: voting behavior. I might say that this term about younger
Speaker 6: people more progressive, well they are, but they're also anti establishment.
Speaker 6: So hence Trump was very good at tapping into them
Speaker 6: in the US and Farage is very good at tapping
Speaker 6: into them in the UK.
Speaker 1: So let's get to again the male female divide. And
Speaker 1: again I understand that there is a very blood instrument,
Speaker 1: and I get that there's many shades in all of
Speaker 1: these things. But if we can start to find certain
Speaker 1: uniform things that those people in groups are telling you,
Speaker 1: and they're telling you in suburban Melbourne and suburban Brisbane
Speaker 1: and suburban Sydney, what is there the gender divide that
Speaker 1: seems to marry up with that electoral role as well?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, you know you've you you've britantly illustrated the the
Speaker 6: number of additional women.
Speaker 5: That are on the voter's roll.
Speaker 6: And how you know, in the electorates where there are
Speaker 6: more women than men, Labor did a lot better. Now
Speaker 6: we know why also because in our Polly women so
Speaker 6: Labor Party had a ten percent in margin on the
Speaker 6: on the coalition when it came to women. And that's
Speaker 6: across the board. So the seats we were poland we're
Speaker 6: not in the urban they weren't, you know, just exclusively
Speaker 6: professional women in till seats. They were suburban regional electorates,
Speaker 6: and women you know, in these electorates were.
Speaker 5: Voting in the majority for the Labor Party.
Speaker 6: And I would argue that Darton had a much bigger
Speaker 6: problem with women than Morrison did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, correct, I mean, look, and the result being obvious,
Speaker 1: we sort of answered it before. But I want to
Speaker 1: dance on this right and it just everyone stick with me.
Speaker 1: May I use all of the good will I built
Speaker 1: up over fifteen years for you not to grab a
Speaker 1: remote in the next sixty seconds?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Was housing to this election what climate change was to
Speaker 1: the twenty two election? Because I know anecdotally people that
Speaker 1: have voted liberal their whole life, who were making decisions
Speaker 1: exclusively of housing for their kids.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely correct, And it's become more acute because you
Speaker 6: know what the twelve interest rate rises have done. It's
Speaker 6: illustrated to not just those who are in the rental
Speaker 6: market or having a mortgage, or those who've got kids
Speaker 6: who've got a mortgage, or those have got kids who
Speaker 6: are in the rental market. It's illustrated to everyone just
Speaker 6: how impactful our housing market is on the lives.
Speaker 5: Of younger Australians. And it took those twelve interest rate
Speaker 5: rises to illustrate that. So, yes, you're absolutely correct.
Speaker 1: All right. Can I get thirty seconds from each of these?
Speaker 1: Which I know is an impossible task, but it's the
Speaker 1: joy of being the TV host and you've been the
Speaker 1: bloke being asked the question, answering the questions. What's the
Speaker 1: free advice to the libs that you would offer?
Speaker 6: Small business that's your new working class. It's in the
Speaker 6: outer suburbs in huge numbers. It's replaced a lot of
Speaker 6: the blue collar constituencies. The employees, those who work for
Speaker 6: small businesses are very low to their boss, the college.
Speaker 6: She did nothing in that space that was substantial. If
Speaker 6: you go there, there's a lot of oaks to be.
Speaker 1: Had free advice for Labor about not peddling away what
Speaker 1: they've been able to put together.
Speaker 6: The Labor Party won twenty more seats than it did
Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen with the same primary vote. That means
Speaker 6: that the other vote, the four point something million Australians
Speaker 6: who vote for other parties, just as easily turned this
Speaker 6: table around the other side in three years time. So
Speaker 6: just keep an eye on that good stuff.
Speaker 1: Couse. We love you mate again. We'll see you down
Speaker 1: the road. But thank you for all of the information
Speaker 1: you've given us, really appreciate it. Thank you there the
Speaker 1: Red Bridge Organization. What a spectacular insight they have had,
Speaker 1: all right. A man who has absolutely kicked us in
Speaker 1: the UK. This bloke has won all over the United
Speaker 1: Kingdom and has put Reform on a path not just
Speaker 1: being the opposition but maybe the government. May be the
Speaker 1: next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. The only place
Speaker 1: you see him is with us on Pulmary Live on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday night. Nigel Farage mixed.
Speaker 2: In time for the man Who's.
Speaker 9: Never borign, the one, the only Nigel Farage, the Reform
Speaker 9: Party leader and the man who led a revolution in
Speaker 9: that part of that beautiful country of the United Kingdom,
Speaker 9: great man, love you to see you.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, this is phenomenal. I mean, up and up and
Speaker 1: down the hill. What was it, six hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: seven councilors, how many mayoralties year one everywhere? Mate? Congratulations, Yeah,
Speaker 1: huge result.
Speaker 13: I mean I have to say, as I was two
Speaker 13: the country in the last month and meeting our batches
Speaker 13: of candidates, and they were saying, we're going to win,
Speaker 13: We're going to win, Nigel, and I'd get back in
Speaker 13: the car and talk to my press officer, and so
Speaker 13: I think they're all a bit deluded. I think they're
Speaker 13: all going to be over excited. Well they were right,
Speaker 13: they were right. I grossly underestimated what we did. I mean,
Speaker 13: we topped the poll by a mile, We won the
Speaker 13: most seats by a mile. We got another member of
Speaker 13: Parliament elected, and importantly for us, particularly given your previous
Speaker 13: discussions about Dunton, we've now got two very very prominent
Speaker 13: female members.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 13: One is a mayor of Greater Lincolnshire. The other is
Speaker 13: Sarah Poachin, who I'm going to walk up the House
Speaker 13: of Commons today for her swearing in in a couple
Speaker 13: of hours.
Speaker 2: Time, and we've.
Speaker 13: Also got like a mayor who was elected who was
Speaker 13: a thirty seven year old gold medal winner in the Olympics,
Speaker 13: So we've got youth, we've got women, and the whole
Speaker 13: look of the party has changed not because of positive discrimination,
Speaker 13: which I disagree with completely. That's how it's grown, that's
Speaker 13: how it's evolved. And amazingly, my popularity since last Thursday
Speaker 13: is up by five points. So all I need to do, Paul,
Speaker 13: is to be photographed with a pint in as many
Speaker 13: pubs as possible over the next four years and we
Speaker 13: should be home and drive.
Speaker 1: The good thing is you've been practicing it for a
Speaker 1: few years before you're going to put this strategy into effect,
Speaker 1: and I think you'll be able to hit as many
Speaker 1: of them as possible and there'll be plenty of people
Speaker 1: willing to buy them for you. Now that you're in
Speaker 1: a position where I mean, explain to Australian it's the
Speaker 1: role of a council in the UK. Is it similar
Speaker 1: to things like the United States where it has a
Speaker 1: greater connection to employing police, or it has a greater
Speaker 1: role in government because obviously there's not state government, there's
Speaker 1: federal government. And then these councils. What does control of
Speaker 1: a council give you?
Speaker 13: Well, they look after social care, adult social care, which
Speaker 13: with an aging population is a course of very very
Speaker 13: biggest you. They look after kids with special educational needs.
Speaker 13: They look after the roads and let me tell you,
Speaker 13: our roads are full of potholes absolutely everywhere. They look
Speaker 13: after the rubbish collection, They oversee policing, law and order. Actually,
Speaker 13: you know, your county council probably has a greater effect
Speaker 13: on your daily life than whichever m up it is
Speaker 13: sitting in number ten downing stream, So they really do master.
Speaker 13: And for us, you know, we literally have gone from
Speaker 13: nothing overnight to establishing a massive base in local government
Speaker 13: across England and we're going to go on next year
Speaker 13: for the Welsh and Scottish parliament elections where we're going
Speaker 13: to do well. And yeah, you know, I mean we've
Speaker 13: got the M, the big M momentum.
Speaker 2: That's what's going with us. And do you know why?
Speaker 2: Do you know why?
Speaker 13: Because we're optimistic, we're fun, we have a laugh, and
Speaker 13: we're unashamedly pro the family, pro communities and pro country and.
Speaker 2: We don't believe in woke.
Speaker 13: All of our new counselors this week are told they've
Speaker 13: got to do DEI training.
Speaker 2: Let me just tell you something. None of them are
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes they're going to that we set the link,
Speaker 1: they won't touch the link and it will not affect
Speaker 1: them into the future. That happy warrior stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've talked about this at the national level, but when
Speaker 1: it's not just the happy warrior in you, the party leader,
Speaker 1: have you been able to find candidates who are happy warriors?
Speaker 1: And again, as Australia's Conservatives are sitting and licking their
Speaker 1: wounds and all the rest of it, let's talk about
Speaker 1: why you've got to be a happy warrior, not a
Speaker 1: fake one, a fair income one who wants to light
Speaker 1: up a room when they walk into it.
Speaker 13: Well, real people laugh, and real people cry, and real
Speaker 13: people have emotions. And generally Conservative politicians around the Western
Speaker 13: world are very often some of the stuffiest, dullest, most
Speaker 13: boring people that you could ever possible you meet.
Speaker 2: And I think that was true, isn't it? You know?
Speaker 13: I mean you sort of turn up to a Conservative
Speaker 13: Party meeting and there's sort of you know, sort of
Speaker 13: I'm just people that you wouldn't really bother to spend
Speaker 13: too much time with our people come from all walks
Speaker 13: of life. There's loads of passion, but above all, you
Speaker 13: go to a reform meeting, it's like a rock concert.
Speaker 13: People are so full of optimism, of hope, of belief
Speaker 13: that we can turn this around. And if you think
Speaker 13: about Trump in America, you know Trump, Yeah, sure he's
Speaker 13: hard hitting, but also he can be very very funny
Speaker 13: as well, and I do think that humorous, that human
Speaker 13: side is absolutely what conservative leaders need.
Speaker 1: So then as we talk about again the Westminster of things,
Speaker 1: the fact that you will march a new MP in
Speaker 1: there after the by election, seeing where we were in
Speaker 1: a conversation a year, two years ago versus where it
Speaker 1: is now, what does it say to you that in
Speaker 1: a system that's first past the post, that's very difficult.
Speaker 1: All of the reasons we've talked about before that it's
Speaker 1: hard to get somebody up, that you're getting them up,
Speaker 1: and you keep getting them up.
Speaker 13: When you start to look like a winner, it kind
Speaker 13: of just grows on itself. As we've now proved that
Speaker 13: we can win nearly seven hundred council seats and other
Speaker 13: mp all under first past the post. When people start
Speaker 13: to believe it, then my slogan vote reform, get reform.
Speaker 13: If people really believe that, then I tell you something
Speaker 13: we can and I mean this, go on and win
Speaker 13: the next general election. And that is what I am
Speaker 13: absolutely committed to doing. I cannot bear to see this
Speaker 13: country going downhill in the way that it is. Someone
Speaker 13: who's got to stand up, you know, plant that flag.
Speaker 13: And I am confident that the silent majority of people
Speaker 13: in our country hate all this wokee left wing nonsense.
Speaker 13: They believe in proper values, and I'm going to commit
Speaker 13: myself for the next four years to doing this.
Speaker 1: That of course means that you would end up as
Speaker 1: the prime minister, and I know you don't want to
Speaker 1: get ahead of yourself, but the goal is clear. And
Speaker 1: when there's a clear goal and all of the things
Speaker 1: we've talked about tonight, you start to make your way.
Speaker 1: When they talk about how all politics is local, right,
Speaker 1: and you've obviously got now this foothold of local government,
Speaker 1: does that help better inform you about where you need
Speaker 1: to be and about what's really happening in the world.
Speaker 1: That helps you in the momentum to potentially putting yourself
Speaker 1: into a place to be a contender for peer.
Speaker 13: You know, we're all good at some things in life
Speaker 13: and bad at others. I'm bad at most things, but
Speaker 13: the one thing I'm good at, I'm actually quite good
Speaker 13: at understanding. I'm good at understanding where public opinion is,
Speaker 13: you know, And I enjoy going out into crowds, meeting people,
Speaker 13: having little chats and I think, I think that foothold
Speaker 13: or big foothold, and don't forget. You know, we are
Speaker 13: outright controlling ten of the biggest counties in England, some
Speaker 13: of them that were held by Labor, more that were held.
Speaker 2: By the Conservatives.
Speaker 13: I think that's going to get me even closer to
Speaker 13: the ground of where public opinion is on so many issues.
Speaker 13: People are crying out for principle, crying out for leadership because, frankly,
Speaker 13: what we've got from the other two parties that have
Speaker 13: run this country for over one hundred years, frankly a
Speaker 13: bunch of incompetents who seem to have no idea what
Speaker 13: they're doing, and they're all panicking. I mean, the Prime
Speaker 13: Minister said, in response to our win, we're going to
Speaker 13: go further and faster. I have no idea what is
Speaker 13: even talking about. And the Conservatives will have another civil
Speaker 13: war and probably their seventh leader in the space of
Speaker 13: four years, and we're just going to crack on now.
Speaker 1: I just got a couple of minutes said your reflections
Speaker 1: on the Australian election and what to say to people
Speaker 1: who may well have voted for the team that he's
Speaker 1: half of what the government is now.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously it's very disappointing.
Speaker 13: I think Peter Dutton is a very decent bloke, but
Speaker 13: he lacks that bit of spark. He's not a great smiler.
Speaker 13: I just think that that to invigorate people of a
Speaker 13: conservative mindset in the modern world, you've got to have
Speaker 13: that flash, that spark of inspiration. And I'm not saying
Speaker 13: this to do Dutton down. Obviously the Trump thing wasn't helpful.
Speaker 13: You know, putting America first has caused some issues for Australia.
Speaker 13: But I don't think it's just that. I think I
Speaker 13: think one can overread, you know, the the Trump effect
Speaker 13: on Australian politics. I just think that the Australian you know,
Speaker 13: small Sea cansservative movement just needs to find something a
Speaker 13: bit more inspiring. And as I say, I don't want
Speaker 13: to be rude, but that's how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: Fair point. Thank you mate, I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Congratulations and nice to have you back. And wasn't it
Speaker 1: good to see that some media has worked out that
Speaker 1: we have a chat each week. I think we've been
Speaker 1: doing it for a couple of years now, but good
Speaker 1: on them for working out. Did you know Nigel Farage
Speaker 1: talks to guide you? Geez, they're on the news, are
Speaker 1: they They're on the beat? Exactly, love you mate, We'll
Speaker 1: see it. So there is Nigel Farage kicking backside in
Speaker 1: the United States. In the United Kingdom, I should say,
Speaker 1: of course, my apologies. I turned to the United States
Speaker 1: because tomorrow night, Meghan Kelly is on the show. For
Speaker 1: those that are saying quick talk about something else, move
Speaker 1: on from the Australian election, Well Meghan Kelly, she's been
Speaker 1: to space. She's been to space, she is an astronaut
Speaker 1: and she makes us all feel better about ourselves as
Speaker 1: she rips apart to the wok idiots. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: she'll have a bit to say about Prince Harry as well.
Speaker 1: So Megan Kelly on the show tomorrow night. Thanks for watching.
Speaker 1: We'll see you again. Then you can always send me
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