1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: It's Friday, March twenty seven, twenty twenty six. Low paid 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: workers could be getting a pay rise. The Albaneze government 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: has backed to bump of at least three point seven 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: percent for workers on award wages, but business says that's 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: too high. Fifty leaders of fuel per customer. That's the 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: cap on petrol stations in some cities. As the fuel 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: crisis spreads beyond the regions, those stories alive right now 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: at the Australian dot com dot au. 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: Our richest men. 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: Are loud and proud with their opinions about government policy 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: and everything else. But why when we have record numbers 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: of female billionaires, aren't the women as prominent today? I'm 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: joined by John Stenzelt, editor of the Australians annual the 15 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: List Australia's Riches to fifty. Johnsy in just a moment 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: to introduce some of the seriously rich ladies. 17 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: Keeping it on the down low. 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: John stenzelv is the editor of the List Australia's Riches 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: to fifty and one of the people who popped out 20 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: to me from the list this year. 21 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: Is Georgia Kontos. 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: I know about her because if you're ever caught in 23 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: traffic in Sydney, you'll be stuck next to a bas 24 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: with a giant billboard with two very gorgeous young ladies 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: wearing skin tight outfits. 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: That's where she's made her money. Who is Georgia Contos? 27 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: Now I'm a little bit disappointed clearly you're not wearing 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: your White Fox. 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 4: Footy because that's how all the cool kids, teenagers, mostly 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 4: teenagers I think of the world rolling these days. So yeah, 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 4: White Foxes this incredible retail success story which has only 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: really emerged in the last few years, and in fact 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: they actually haven't got around to launching many financial documents 34 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 4: with ASIK recently. Georgia and Daniel who's her husband, who 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 4: own and run this company. But they've made a lot 36 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 4: of money, and they've made so much money and they 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 4: actually end up on the top taxpayers list now, which 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 4: is while we know how successful they've been, they've made 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 4: enough money to shell out at just just a mere 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty million dollars on their for Clues 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 4: compound in Sydney. So that's the real retail and I 42 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 4: think female entrepreneurial success Story of the list this year. 43 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the White Fox website now and 44 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: I could see myself spending quite a lot of money 45 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: here if I was twenty two and extremely hot. John 46 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: There's like, you know, the Urban Drift Mini dressed gray 47 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: stripe for seventy nine ninety five and then never Over 48 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: Mini dress Rose Python for seventy nine to ninety five. 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: They're not expensive clothes, and they're also you know, without 50 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: putting any shade on White Fox, they're the kind of 51 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: dresses that I see in the suburban mall shop windows. 52 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: There's nothing particularly different or original about White Fox. 53 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: Why is it so successful? 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 4: They have targeted social media and getting influencers to promote 55 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 4: their gear, so you know them themselves have hundreds of 56 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 4: thousands of Instagram followers, so it's probably that influencer generation 57 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 4: thing that we're right in the middle of. And you know, 58 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 4: I'm wearing this, so here's this link to click on 59 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 4: it to buy it now. So that's I think it's 60 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 4: been very successful in that right. I love, love, love 61 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 4: love Waite Fark hit Park Wait Fark, White Fox. I 62 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 4: love White Fox, White Fox routine. I am absolutely obsessed 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 4: the quality of this top of you guys. So it 64 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 4: is capturing a moment where you're melding probably a little 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 4: bit of AI, but particularly you know, social media with retail, 66 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 4: we've been quick to market with being on trend. I 67 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 4: guess the question from Mainstem they've been very successful for 68 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: a few years, so how can they keep that going? 69 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: And what will they do with this company? Does it 70 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 3: float on the stock exchange? Sometimes? 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: Do they just make their money and you know, build 72 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 4: some fantastic properties in Sydney. 73 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: They're very, very very sequative. They don't really talk to 74 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: the media much at all. 75 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: They claim that they got burn a few years ago 76 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 4: when there's issues with the delivery of their stock and 77 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: a few other things like that. So they're really just 78 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: there's an element of mystery around them too. I suppose 79 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: that does make it exciting and cool to people. 80 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: Unlike a lot of the billionaires who you speak to 81 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: as well, they don't seem to want to be in 82 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: the public policy debate. Like they're not out in the 83 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: news right now talking about the diesel shortage and what 84 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: it's doing to their kind of supply chains. 85 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 4: Are they they're not letting the charge. They're probably passing 86 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 4: on that cost to the consumers. Claire, And let's see 87 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: if the consumers keep spending, and so far it's SEMs 88 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 4: that they are because you're right there, advertising is quite ubiquitous. 89 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: If we keep saying white fox, white, fox, white fox. 90 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: If that's going to pop up on all your on 91 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 4: your phone and Google ads on your computer. 92 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: Now, so sorry about that. 93 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: I'll definitely be in that hoodie next time we speak. 94 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it's extremely successful. 95 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: Now Australia's richest person is a woman, Gina reyan Hart, 96 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: at forty one point sixty six billion dollars. That's how 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: you valued her fortune in this year's edition of The Least. 98 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: Who else is there right up in that top eschelon 99 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: of Australia's billionaires, who's female. 100 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: You've got Nikola Forest as well. You've got Melanie Perkins. 101 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 4: So Melanie Perkins, who co founder of Canvas, there's a 102 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 4: joint entry with her husband, Cliff Obrak. Now Cliff's actually 103 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 4: the one that tends to spend more time talking to 104 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 4: the media. Came out this week and talked said that 105 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 4: the Canvas valuation is intact at about sixty billion dollars, 106 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 4: which is pretty good for a private company. Right, but 107 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: whereas look, I don't want to be mean to Cliff, 108 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 4: but Melanie's seen as the brains, is the operation as 109 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 4: the real truth sort of technology you were in there, 110 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 4: and it remains to be seen what happens with Canva? 111 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: Does that float on the stock exchange this year? Nicola Forrest, 112 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 4: she's got fifty million more shares than Andrew Forrest, her 113 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 4: husband that she's separated from, and he's the boss and 114 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 4: founder of Fortescue. But there's a cliff separation there, so 115 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 4: she's come out of with a few more shares, so 116 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: she's worth about seventeen billion dollars. So you've got, along 117 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 4: with Gina through out of the top ten females. That's 118 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 4: at least something that we're saying to get moving in 119 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 4: that female entrepreneurial space. 120 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: There's a lot of widows and daughters of very wealthy 121 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: people on this list. Of course, that is the way 122 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: some of these very rich women have acquired their fortunes. 123 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: And then there are entrepreneurs who've made the money themselves. 124 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: Joe Horgan at two point one three billion dollars, the 125 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: founder of Mecca. She's an intriguing person too, isn't she John, 126 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: And again she's not really involved in the public conversation 127 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: in a way that say Harry Triggerbaw for the Pratt family. 128 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 4: Are very measured in whatever she says publicly, quite controlled 129 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 4: in that matter. Mecha's opened up this huge story in 130 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 4: Melbourne last year in Burke Street. There was a lot 131 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 4: of publicity around that, but it was quite sort of 132 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 4: controlled and measured publicity about what's happening there rather than the. 133 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: Look, let's face it, there was a secretive sort of. 134 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: Accounts that hadn't been connected to the business that were 135 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 4: finally disclosed to Aseik last year that showed that the 136 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: Meca Empire is actually a lot bigger than what we thought. 137 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 4: So it's extremely successful. So on the one hand, there 138 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 4: is a public persona in that she's a mega founder. 139 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: Mecha is extremely successful. It seems to be in every 140 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: shopping mall and a lot of corners of prime real 141 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 4: estate around But you're right, what's the real Joe Horben 142 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 4: story of what's happening behind the scenes. Not a lot 143 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 4: it's spoken about, so you know, still an element of 144 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 4: mystery around her too. 145 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: Coming up the Elon Musk confidante who's also one of 146 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: the country's most powerful figures in sport. 147 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 4: Who he is an absolutic. 148 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: Neutramtics is a brand that was really famous a household 149 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: name in Australia in the nineteen eighties. 150 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: He's an. 151 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: Naturally beautiful skin here, naturally beautiful cow and that was 152 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: a brainchild of Imelda Roche and her late husband Bill. 153 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: What happened to Neutramtics? How are they still so wealthy? 154 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: Well, she's ends up selling it. 155 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: It's now almost thirty years since she sold it to 156 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: Sarah Lee and I made a lot of money out 157 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 4: of it. So yeah, late sixties as I bought that 158 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 4: idea to Australia, just it was incredibly successful business in 159 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: a lot of people going a daughter door knocking and 160 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 4: selling the. 161 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: Goods and the Roach family. 162 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 4: Then I guess, like a lot of people on the list, 163 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 4: parlayed that fortune into property other sort of businesses around 164 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 4: that investment. So there's a lot of property that the 165 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: family owns, particularly around Hunter Valley Regional, New South Wales, 166 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 4: Sydney as well. So you make your money in one 167 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: industry and really Emmelda was a pioneer in Australia in 168 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 4: that space and now it's sort of been parked in 169 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 4: more passive assets. As you know, time goes on for 170 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 4: the family. 171 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Robin Denham. She's close to Elon mask. 172 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: She's worth nearly a billion dollars in her own right. 173 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: Who is Robin Dean and what's her story? 174 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 4: So Robin is the chair of Tesla, so you would 175 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 4: imagine that in that role you're meant to be keeping 176 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 4: the CEO under control. But with Tesla at c Elon 177 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: Musk Show. So look again, Robin is very, very very 178 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 4: reluctant to talk about Elin. In fact, there's it's quite 179 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: famous in interviews, so she would not even mention the 180 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 4: E word, right, So yeah, even Tesla gets bally imagined. 181 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: There's a little bit of like being in the right 182 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 4: place and getting on the board and becoming the chair 183 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 4: of that company, and obviously with that came a lot 184 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 4: of share grants. 185 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: So she gets. 186 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 4: Options to buy shares, you know, the options to buy 187 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: those shares at a certain price, often pretty low, and 188 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 4: then she sells it to make money because there's a 189 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 4: big gap between that. So she's made a lot of 190 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 4: money that way. She's got options on more Tesla shares. 191 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 4: She's parlayed that into some investments and tech investments back 192 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 4: here in Australia. She's moved back to Australia after a 193 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 4: long career as an executive in Silicon Valley to where 194 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 4: she would have come across the tesla's of the world then, 195 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 4: So one of her investm actually is she's very passionate 196 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 4: and her family's very passionate about basketball. So she's now 197 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 4: the majority owner of the Sydney Kings in the National 198 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 4: Basketball League, the men's team, and the Sydney Flames are 199 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 4: women's and the women's National Basketball League as well, And 200 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 4: in fact, the Sydney Kings are one mail up at 201 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 4: the moment in the NBA Finals, And she's one of 202 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 4: the first female owners of the successful of any sports 203 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 4: team here in Australia, not many around the world, And 204 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 4: all of a sudden she's on the cusp of winning 205 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 4: a championship. I think the Kings are a fantastic team 206 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 4: and she's got every chance of carrying off that trophy 207 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 4: here about a week week and a half or so. 208 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: Women are still nowhere near the majority of entrants on 209 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: the riches two fifty. 210 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: What do you see happening? What's the bigger picture? 211 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: Here, John, women are now dominating university entrances, they're dominating 212 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: school marks, they're rising up the ranks through most businesses 213 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: and this is a big focus in boardroom. Why are 214 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: women not controlling more money in Australia? And do you 215 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: see that changing? 216 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: It's getting better, it's certainly getting better. I mean it 217 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 4: felt like for a long time that number of females 218 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 4: on the list of thirty eight this year, that number 219 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: was stuck around the fifteen to twenty market and a 220 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 4: lot of widows in that regard. But there's definitely a 221 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 4: cohort of entrepreneurs, mostly in the technology space that are 222 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 4: coming through. So I mean, Melanie Perkins is an incredible 223 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 4: example of that. It's almost like she feels like she's 224 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 4: old at now. But I mean that Canvas story is amazing, 225 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 4: and what Gina has done with her mining interests is 226 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 4: incredible too. So there's incredible examples just in those two. 227 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 4: But then you've got others that are emerging as technology 228 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 4: leaders as well. I mean, then Katrina Leslie is one 229 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 4: who's been very reluctant to be in the spotlight. 230 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: Put her on the list for the first time this year. 231 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: Now she's got a company called Swipe Jobs, which is 232 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 4: a combination of using AI to sort of find the 233 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: best job matches for job seekers, right, and that's pretty 234 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 4: much an American company. So yeah, I mean she's here 235 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 4: in Australia, but all of that and his revenue is 236 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 4: derived in America, so she's almost like the modern I 237 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 4: guess that lassion building a company that's gone global from 238 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: here in Australia. The one thing I would say, though, Claire, 239 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 4: is that with a lot of these female entrepreneurs we 240 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: talk about, there was a common theme, right, they don't 241 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: like to talk about what they do publicly, which I 242 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 4: think is a real real shame, whether it's a tall 243 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 4: poppy syndrome or you know, like mena more let's face it, 244 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 4: you know, got bigger egos than women, are more arrogant 245 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 4: about it, They're more comfortable in dealing with the spotlight 246 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 4: or whatever. 247 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: I mean. 248 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: These are the people that we'd love to see talked 249 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 4: about in everyday business life, but there is a little 250 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 4: bit of reluctance stealf from the Katrinas and the Melodies 251 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 4: of the World and even the Robins and the Genus 252 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 4: to be out and shouting from the rooftops about whatever 253 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 4: their passions are. 254 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: John, thank you so much for joining us. I've already 255 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: put a bunch of stuff in my checkout. I'll get 256 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: you some tracking acts and and get those sent to you. 257 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot. 258 00:12:53,360 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: You can pull it off, Claire, I'm sure. Thank you. 259 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: John Stenzel is the editor of the list Australia's Richest 260 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: to fifty. John has unrivaled networks of contacts that he 261 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: uses to cover exactly what are rich and powerful are 262 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: up to all year round. You can find this year's 263 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: list at Richest two fifty dot com dot au. That's 264 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: Richest two five oh dot com dot Au.