Speaker 1: Coming up on relatables.
Speaker 2: For me, I would prefer to be on the other
Speaker 2: side than to be unhappy, fair.
Speaker 3: And to and like that came for some reason with
Speaker 3: your personality that came easy. Like to you, that's a
Speaker 3: very very logical decision making process, but to some people
Speaker 3: it's not. A light of his podcast is so said
Speaker 3: by myself, Jake Craig aka Daddy and my apartner on
Speaker 3: Crime is to Oddie Clark aka Mummy and Boo ODDI is.
Speaker 1: Mummy because.
Speaker 3: Through years of joining the podcast, we have come to
Speaker 3: the conclusion that if you are to go to someone
Speaker 3: and talk about maybe something's going on in your life,
Speaker 3: it's more than likely going to be Oddie.
Speaker 2: I felt that was so formal. And Jake is your
Speaker 2: father because sometimes he's just there at the right times
Speaker 2: and sometimes he doesn't pick up his phone.
Speaker 1: Actually, you know what, it's pretty description of myself. Oh,
Speaker 1: I would say so too. It just came to me
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: But Jake, we actually have a very very special and
Speaker 2: different episode today, don't we.
Speaker 1: Yes, we do. I've wanted to do this. I reckon
Speaker 1: for like wow over a year, two years, two years?
Speaker 2: You reckon, But I never really knew how to execute it,
Speaker 2: and then also like, I didn't know if it's what
Speaker 2: the baddies wanted you listeners being the baddies of course,
Speaker 2: of course. And then a couple of things have been
Speaker 2: happening behind the scenes in the podcast and my frontal
Speaker 2: lobe has been developing. I was like, you know what
Speaker 2: Jake I said to my voice message yesterday. I was like,
Speaker 2: I've got a fucking idea. And the idea is, So
Speaker 2: we've been doing the podcast now for four years and
Speaker 2: on out end it's sometimes really really hard to distinguish
Speaker 2: who was actually actually listening, and there's so much assumed
Speaker 2: knowledge that you know who Jake and I are, but
Speaker 2: the reality of that is probably a lot of you
Speaker 2: don't have a Scooby doo who Jake and I are
Speaker 2: and why we are the way we are. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: we wanted to do a two part series of getting
Speaker 2: to know Jake and myself. So this is gonna be
Speaker 2: by episode of who is Oddie Clark YEP? And I
Speaker 2: feel like, actually I thought of this idea too, because
Speaker 2: everyone knows or maybe you don't know. I love listening
Speaker 2: to Dak Shepherd Armchair Expert YEP. The podcast and he
Speaker 2: interviews a lot of famous people who are American.
Speaker 1: Yes, he does.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to make this sound wrong if
Speaker 2: you're an American, but I feel like Americans love talking
Speaker 2: about like themselves and their culture, like where they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's a common personality thing in.
Speaker 2: America where they grew up and everyone, like if they
Speaker 2: say college, everyone's like fucking go with the Seahawks or
Speaker 2: some shit.
Speaker 1: That's actually a good point. There's a lot of patriotism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but as Australians, if you or anyone asked me
Speaker 2: about like my childhood or what school I went to,
Speaker 2: I would just try and get past that as quickly
Speaker 2: as possible, because I'm like, no one about Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, no one.
Speaker 2: No, not that no one cares, not that no one cares.
Speaker 2: More that like no one will know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I think that we always think that. Yeah, so this
Speaker 1: episode is stuff with that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but basically this episode is going to be like
Speaker 2: all about the nitty gritty of what makes up me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we really want to learn about So obviously
Speaker 3: we're going to do an episode each and we just thought,
Speaker 3: I if this is something we would want to learn
Speaker 3: about a podcast we listen to, then maybe it's something
Speaker 3: that all the baddies we want to learn about us
Speaker 3: and if like, and another thing we think about is
Speaker 3: how some of the baddies being you guys listening, you
Speaker 3: guys have been some we have been here for a year,
Speaker 3: two years, three years, maybe four years. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: something like so the people that have been here for
Speaker 3: four years are going to know more than the people
Speaker 3: that have been here for one year exactly if you
Speaker 3: just got here. Then it's always nice to kind of
Speaker 3: like know about a person and feel them feel like
Speaker 3: you know them on a more personal and parasocial level.
Speaker 2: The whole thing about a podcast is feeling like you're
Speaker 2: in a conversation with us two of your mates. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like if some of my favorite podcasts like gave
Speaker 2: more depth to who they are, I'll be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to know, like what makes up Dax Shepherd
Speaker 2: or who had James from Ships and Gigs?
Speaker 1: Like what were they like when they were twelve?
Speaker 2: Same they mentioned things they do? Yeah, like we mentioned
Speaker 2: things too, but then we always think like no one cares.
Speaker 2: So this is basically getting all.
Speaker 1: Of that out of the way.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, we did, like, why not just go
Speaker 3: like you remember remember back in the day and YouTube
Speaker 3: when there's this massive trend of YouTuber.
Speaker 1: It'd be like draw my life. Yes, oh I draw.
Speaker 3: They get a whiteboard and they draw it and race it,
Speaker 3: and they draw seeing any race it and draw seeing
Speaker 3: any race it.
Speaker 1: I used to watch those. I used to love those.
Speaker 1: I remember that too. I love that too. Side Men
Speaker 1: still like brought it back occasionally here and there. Really yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: on the second channel, we should have done a draw
Speaker 1: in my life. That would have been cool. We can't draw,
Speaker 1: but no, that drawing would be fun. Just stick figures
Speaker 1: and ship anyway, So this is Oddy's episode, so we're
Speaker 1: going to try and chill.
Speaker 3: I'll ask gotty questions that I think people listening would
Speaker 3: want to ask because I may learn some stuff.
Speaker 1: You never know, you might actually, yeah, maybe I will.
Speaker 3: But I think I'll shut up and I would love
Speaker 3: to let Ottie take the reins a bit and give us.
Speaker 1: You know, we want everything. I want it from the moment.
Speaker 1: You know why am I kind of a bit nervous.
Speaker 1: I never like talk about it. I never even in life,
Speaker 1: I never talk about myself this much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talking about yourself is a bit weird because you're like,
Speaker 3: just who gives a fuck?
Speaker 1: Anyway, I want to know. I want to know about
Speaker 1: the moment from when you first breathed there.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So I was born from there, no, right,
Speaker 2: So I am.
Speaker 1: Turning twenty six this year. I was born twenty second
Speaker 1: of August two thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was originally born at Windsor Hospital in the
Speaker 2: Blue Mountains.
Speaker 1: You were originally born there and then unoriginally born where
Speaker 1: I was originally A good point.
Speaker 2: I was born full stop, and we moved on like
Speaker 2: my brothers. So I have a brother who is four
Speaker 2: years older than me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and your brother was born there as well as you.
Speaker 1: Let me say that again.
Speaker 2: My brother's three years older than me, and they lived
Speaker 2: in the Blue Mountains and they saved a lot of
Speaker 2: money to move to the central coasts of New South Wales, Australia,
Speaker 2: to a place called McMaster's Beach. And I moved when
Speaker 2: I was a couple months old, and I have lived
Speaker 2: at McMaster's Beach ever since then until recently.
Speaker 3: So the house that you're in now, I know that
Speaker 3: your dad built, right. Yeah, when you moved from Windsor Or,
Speaker 3: the Blue Mountains When you moved from the Blue Mountains
Speaker 3: to McMaster's Beach, was it literally to the actual property
Speaker 3: that you live at now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So this property now, Dad's done major renovations to it.
Speaker 2: We knocked the whole house down and then redid it.
Speaker 2: But it was in stages. It was one of those
Speaker 2: firebro shacks on stilts, so the laundry was underneath, and
Speaker 2: then upstairs was all one level. It was two bedrooms.
Speaker 2: Me and my brother shared a bedroom, I remember, bunk beds,
Speaker 2: and then my parents had the other room, and then
Speaker 2: it was just a living room and a bathroom. That
Speaker 2: was it laundry underneath.
Speaker 1: Danah, And so four years old you went there? No,
Speaker 1: for like four months? Four months old? Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: a newborn baby, said you lived in the Blue Mountains
Speaker 1: for four years? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, So my brother was three years older than me.
Speaker 2: I chucked a few numbers out there, and then I
Speaker 2: moved to the center coast mick Master's Beach. This house
Speaker 2: is not the same house, but where were We now
Speaker 2: have a studio in my parents' house too.
Speaker 3: So you so it's twenty basically, it's twenty six years
Speaker 3: pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you just moved in with your girlfriend, which
Speaker 3: is only you know, five minutes away from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I'm a bit of a homebody.
Speaker 3: Oh wait until I don't want to promote my own episode.
Speaker 1: Waiting to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well I think that's what's so interesting. We
Speaker 2: have such different upbringings.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then I guess, give me,
Speaker 1: give me a.
Speaker 3: Core memory from from like when do you remember the
Speaker 3: house being a fiber shack or did your dad randomly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a core memory, So I don't you
Speaker 2: remember a lot when you were a child. I don't
Speaker 2: remember much. I think, like honestly, like it must be nice.
Speaker 2: But I had a very blissful childhood, and I don't
Speaker 2: think I remembered much because nothing was really like stand out.
Speaker 2: It was just it was just nice. It was just good,
Speaker 2: I remember, though. So dad knocked down this house in stages,
Speaker 2: so he built underneath at first and then knocked down
Speaker 2: on top, so we had someone to live underneath, and
Speaker 2: then his him and mum's bedroom. They let us draw
Speaker 2: or draw all over the walls.
Speaker 1: That's acting.
Speaker 2: So me and my brother had like permanent markets. I
Speaker 2: remember friends coming over and we had this whole it
Speaker 2: was like a graffiti wall, Like our friends would come
Speaker 2: over and we would fucking join it.
Speaker 1: I was the coolest thing. Everyone's like, oh, comes on
Speaker 1: my wall, and shit, I remember that. That's a core memory.
Speaker 1: That is actually that as a kid, that's the funnest thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like I said, my memory is pretty like just
Speaker 1: not good. From a young age.
Speaker 2: For some reason, it starts to like can I would say,
Speaker 2: around like eight or nine. But the biggest bomb drop
Speaker 2: I reckon that a lot of people maybe don't know,
Speaker 2: is my name's actually not Oddie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what the fuck. Let's let's sit with the
Speaker 1: birth certificate government name. Yeah, my name is Osway Conrad Clark.
Speaker 1: Take that in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, take a second and take it in.
Speaker 2: So ever since I can remember, like even before I
Speaker 2: can remember, I was always called ODDI I think because
Speaker 2: I actually as a kid, I wasn't the biggest fan
Speaker 2: of Oway because it sounded like an old person's name
Speaker 2: to me. Yeah, but the older it's also it's also
Speaker 2: hard to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just it just sounds so different to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And and the older I've gotten, the more I've started
Speaker 2: to like appreciate it, and I love being unique.
Speaker 1: Yep, but no one.
Speaker 2: Only mum calls me out where occasionally or Cassie and
Speaker 2: that's about it.
Speaker 1: UK, throw it out there here. Very I've heard in
Speaker 1: a while from you.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but very his mom actually calls me
Speaker 2: all way too sometimes my girlfriend's mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so funny.
Speaker 3: I've always thought, like, I don't know too many people
Speaker 3: like this, like we have a couple, right, So, like
Speaker 3: my name, my name is so simple, it's one syllable,
Speaker 3: very popular for the year I was born, Like I
Speaker 3: know so many people named Jake. Yeah, I've always been
Speaker 3: I've always thought so for some reason, so cool when
Speaker 3: someone's got this, like whether it be a unique or
Speaker 3: even not a unique name, but they for somehow, they
Speaker 3: somehow developed this nickname true at childhood, which becomes like
Speaker 3: their name, what was yours?
Speaker 1: I don't I didn't have one name.
Speaker 2: Did you call Craigs or not? Because it's kind of
Speaker 2: like your family name, So I.
Speaker 3: Got I got Craigs by friends in like high school.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, but like I'm like my family was always just
Speaker 3: either Jake or like Jakie. Like as a kid, it's
Speaker 3: Jakie because like, like I still have aunties that will
Speaker 3: call me Jakie because like they just called me that,
Speaker 3: but I never like Otti is similar to Otway, but
Speaker 3: it's not.
Speaker 1: It's ODDI no, no, no no. And then we have a.
Speaker 3: Friend named Jack whose nickname is JJ and like literally
Speaker 3: everyone just knows him by JJ.
Speaker 1: True, his last name is Jenkins, so.
Speaker 3: Jack guy whose name is Bruce and he and I
Speaker 3: literally thought his name was.
Speaker 1: Larry for four years. Really well, it's funny. We always
Speaker 1: found that so interesting. But this is about this.
Speaker 2: Is about ye when I was, when I was born
Speaker 2: or a couple of years old. I don't remember this,
Speaker 2: but I've been told this countless times. My brother didn't
Speaker 2: like my name. He tried calling me Frank for a year.
Speaker 2: He wanted me to be he wanted to be called
Speaker 2: he wanted me to be called Frank.
Speaker 1: That is so picked me from eating.
Speaker 2: I know my brother's name is Eating, so it's eating
Speaker 2: a naughty.
Speaker 1: And then we've got a mother named Brenda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and father Michael, Yes, yes, yes, And I'll hop
Speaker 2: skip and a jump and I'll say we'll go to
Speaker 2: about five or six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where that's where I start to remember. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's quite young. Still, that's good like.
Speaker 2: I said, I I had a really really good childhood.
Speaker 2: Nothing really like stands out as bad, to be honest,
Speaker 2: And my parents are very much into the environment, so
Speaker 2: I do remember I have a lot of cool memories
Speaker 2: going bushwalking, going to the beach, and always just loving
Speaker 2: the environment, and that sticked with me. But the next
Speaker 2: bit's probably going to be like not yet, but there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of soccer chat because literally that
Speaker 2: was my whole life.
Speaker 1: How were you when you started playing soccer? So I
Speaker 1: started playing soccer when I was six six years old?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I were you when there was like when
Speaker 3: you maybe started to realize, but then also like your
Speaker 3: parents and maybe coaches and stuff started to realize like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's actually quite good at this.
Speaker 2: So I started playing soccer for a team called the
Speaker 2: Cucumber rous Let's Go. And dad actually held me back
Speaker 2: a year from playing because my dad's background is in union.
Speaker 2: He played for Eastwood Boys in like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if he made for a first grade
Speaker 2: or whatever, but he didn't want me to play footy
Speaker 2: because of like the effects a hat on him and
Speaker 2: like he was a winger, so he was kind of
Speaker 2: like away from it, but he knew how much like
Speaker 2: fucking impact and it is on boys and like the
Speaker 2: environment and shit, and he goes, you can play soccer, audy,
Speaker 2: and he helped me back because, funnily enough, I remember
Speaker 2: this is a core memory. He wanted me to like
Speaker 2: understand like movement of a ball and like catching and
Speaker 2: have like the skills to like kick a ball, catch
Speaker 2: a ball and like understand where it's going to go.
Speaker 2: And he was quite good at footy, and I remember,
Speaker 2: like core memories. He would always give me grubber kicks
Speaker 2: of a footy ball and it'd say, when you can
Speaker 2: like get a grubber kick every time, you can go
Speaker 2: play soccer because like it's hard to distinguish where the
Speaker 2: ball's going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember as a.
Speaker 2: Kid like I could never fucking get it. I'm like, Dad,
Speaker 2: give me a number one.
Speaker 1: He's like, here you go.
Speaker 2: I was just like so frustrated because it just bounces
Speaker 2: and it hits you in the face. It bounces and
Speaker 2: it goes three meters high. And then like I'm fucking
Speaker 2: six years old at this point too, ye yea yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yea yea yeah, what's the bet? It's only like
Speaker 3: ten meters away from you too.
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But at six, I started to get like good at
Speaker 2: like catching and kicking, and Dad's like, oh, yeah, you
Speaker 2: can go play soccer now, because I think he just
Speaker 2: also didn't want me to just like put me in
Speaker 2: the hands of someone else and go like here you go.
Speaker 2: You like wanted me to have a little bit of
Speaker 2: like yeah yeah, fair background behind it.
Speaker 1: And I'm also grateful too because I remember my.
Speaker 2: Mum was very hands on and like teaching me coordination skills,
Speaker 2: like from a young age. My mum was always really
Speaker 2: good at like throwing catching. My mum's a bit of it.
Speaker 2: Was a tomboy, like to a tea and like loves
Speaker 2: all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And what's her sport? She she did everything. I remember
Speaker 1: she played hockey. Fuck that's deadly. I think that was
Speaker 1: her sport. But she was also a really good runner.
Speaker 2: I didn't really know know it, but but so six
Speaker 2: I started playing for the king Koma Rus And you asked, like,
Speaker 2: when did they know I was good? I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: I was like good, like better than a lot of kids,
Speaker 2: just as soon as I started.
Speaker 1: So it just clicks. But for some kids it clicks
Speaker 1: like they have a vision. Yeah, and Dad.
Speaker 2: Likes to claim like it was because of him and
Speaker 2: he's like teaching me that and they hold me back
Speaker 2: a year.
Speaker 1: I tell you what could it helped?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So six through to eleven I played for
Speaker 2: the kingcumber Rus and then in the background, I went
Speaker 2: to a public school called Kincomber Public School, which is
Speaker 2: like ten minutes away from McMaster's Beach where I grew up,
Speaker 2: which is also like a small coastal town on the
Speaker 2: East coast of Australia. So basically I love soccer just
Speaker 2: from the start, made a lot of friends throughout that
Speaker 2: time as well, and then hop skipping a jump, I'm
Speaker 2: now eleven, okay, And we had a very good soccer
Speaker 2: team at kin Komba. We won a lot of awards
Speaker 2: and I think we went on like the longest undefeated
Speaker 2: streak ever as like a team. It was like something
Speaker 2: from Crazy, like seventy games or some shit.
Speaker 1: I love seventy Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't lose for like two or three years
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: I wish I was on one of those teams growing up.
Speaker 1: I just never was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what happened with that was so like the
Speaker 2: representative team around here was the Central Coast Mariners.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And when I so you had to go trial for
Speaker 2: a REP team. I think it was called CenTra Coast
Speaker 2: Lightning when I first went there, and all the everyone
Speaker 2: who thinks they're good enough goes trial, and eleven's the
Speaker 2: first year you can get in, and it goes all
Speaker 2: the way up to eleven suitor eighteen twenties first grade
Speaker 2: and then the A League team.
Speaker 1: So the A League is our top, our, top league
Speaker 1: for soccer. Yeah, yeah yeah, And it's like, this is
Speaker 1: what are we going to do? This is this is
Speaker 1: I want to be a soccer player.
Speaker 3: This is what I thought to be fair like, you
Speaker 3: would have experienced so much what's the words I'm thinking
Speaker 3: of here? So like throughout the earliest of you playing
Speaker 3: soccer and then when you were on that team that
Speaker 3: had that massive winning streak, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would have experienced so much.
Speaker 3: What's the right word I'm looking for here, Like companionship, belonging,
Speaker 3: like a like soccer became the thing that was like,
Speaker 3: this is what brings me joy. Being good at this
Speaker 3: brings me joy, like obviously in high watching.
Speaker 2: In hindsight too, I think it brought me value.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is what brought you vow, this
Speaker 3: is what made it so people valued you.
Speaker 1: So obviously you.
Speaker 3: Being good at this and going and pursuing this is
Speaker 3: what's going to keep like I don't know, subconsciously, like
Speaker 3: my parents proud, my friend's proud, my friends actually want
Speaker 3: to be friends.
Speaker 1: With me, like all that type of shit. It's interesting
Speaker 1: how it works.
Speaker 2: And I think, so, I you had to go through
Speaker 2: this whole trial process, and I remember being like an
Speaker 2: eleven year old kid, and I'm thinking, this is extensive.
Speaker 2: This is fucking They have to they have to like
Speaker 2: start cutting kids and stuff, and like eleven kids cry
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's hell, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I remember I made it. I made it through. I
Speaker 2: think I was playing like right back at the time.
Speaker 2: And then two or three others from my team made it,
Speaker 2: which is really rare from like all of the Central
Speaker 2: Coast trials for this, even kids from Sydney come to
Speaker 2: it as well. And then three from kingcumber Rus made it,
Speaker 2: which was like unheard of, like three. So I had
Speaker 2: two mates as well, you know Sam Webb. Yep, he
Speaker 2: was one Sam Webb, and there was another guy as well.
Speaker 1: I've been mates. I've been mates with him since forever. Wow.
Speaker 2: Anyway, so I make that rep team from eleven and
Speaker 2: at that time still love and soccer, hop skip and
Speaker 2: a jump. Let's go to like fifteen or sixteen. Each
Speaker 2: year or year they either you get retained or you
Speaker 2: have to retrial, which basically means if you have to retrial,
Speaker 2: you're probably not going to make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just want to see if you want it enough. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And every year I got retained except for I think,
Speaker 1: oh here we go, let's go. I think fifteen's going
Speaker 1: into sixteens.
Speaker 2: I always I was always a good athlete, So I
Speaker 2: was like really really fast, good defender and like great insurance,
Speaker 2: but like technically on the ball, I was quite average.
Speaker 2: So that year I just scraped my way through. And
Speaker 2: I remember like having a conversation with like only just made.
Speaker 2: I was like the second last or last player to
Speaker 2: like not get cut.
Speaker 1: What'd that feel like?
Speaker 2: Felt pretty bad because that, like soccer was my whole identity.
Speaker 2: I was like I don't know like what I do
Speaker 2: it because like what playing for the Marino means instead
Speaker 2: of like playing against kids who grew up on the
Speaker 2: Central Coast diverse like everyone in Sydney, like pretty much
Speaker 2: everyone in New South Wales is good plays in this league.
Speaker 1: And then I think Dad probably had this idea.
Speaker 2: But so, like I said, I wasn't good on the ball,
Speaker 2: but I was pretty good elsewhere. So I started taking
Speaker 2: up football, which is like kind of like how do
Speaker 2: I explain football indoor soccer but with skill, So like
Speaker 2: it's to work on your ball skill. You play off
Speaker 2: a little ball that's weighed so it's really quick and
Speaker 2: she fast paced, works on your touch, lots of goals,
Speaker 2: not as much running around and it's all about like
Speaker 2: ball skill, which was like a great play from my dad.
Speaker 2: It feels his idea, and I started to fall in
Speaker 2: love with football, so hell yeah.
Speaker 1: And then that next.
Speaker 2: Year, like that all added together and I started to
Speaker 2: become like actually a really good soccer player.
Speaker 1: That was the missing piece to me becoming a good footballer.
Speaker 2: And then that year half of our team combined with
Speaker 2: another team and we went to a it was called
Speaker 2: the Sobroto Cup. We went to India to play soccer
Speaker 2: in a competition which.
Speaker 3: I remember this, Yeah we really knew each other at
Speaker 3: this point. Yeah, we didn't do good at all in
Speaker 3: the competition, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was cool.
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, went to India it was fucking I remember as
Speaker 2: hot as fun. Yeah, it was heaps of fun. It
Speaker 2: was just like, well you went with, we went with.
Speaker 2: It was half of our team in half of the
Speaker 2: older age as well, so the best players.
Speaker 1: And then another were you not representing the country?
Speaker 2: No, this was the Mariners so and then also in
Speaker 2: the background, I think it was the next year I
Speaker 2: represented Australia in futsbal. Oh okay, but that was looking
Speaker 2: back in hines.
Speaker 1: That was in Greece.
Speaker 2: In hindsight, it was kind of like a money grab
Speaker 2: for the footsball association to make money because you had
Speaker 2: to pay for it.
Speaker 1: But then also like.
Speaker 2: It was also like a cool experience because you didn't
Speaker 2: play other countries. We versed all the Greek footsball teams,
Speaker 2: which also were way better than Australia.
Speaker 3: Ah wait, okay, so wait this was like did you
Speaker 3: have to try out for that?
Speaker 2: We went to nationals I played for like Northern New
Speaker 2: South Wales and then they we came. I think we
Speaker 2: lost in the grand final, like Queensland or something. It's
Speaker 2: basically like fucking state of origin for footsball. But you
Speaker 2: have every single state with like different branches in it.
Speaker 2: And then they picked the best players from the competition
Speaker 2: to go on this tournament, which is really really cool.
Speaker 1: And then we had a really good team as well.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Basically soccers my life, playing futsal in the background. I
Speaker 2: went to King Gumba High School. Was ever really like
Speaker 2: that smart, but I always applied myself. I was really
Speaker 2: good at I was good at maths. It wasn't like
Speaker 2: a big fan of school. I was good at maths,
Speaker 2: and like, I tried hard, but I definitely had like
Speaker 2: I don't know, I've got something.
Speaker 1: Terrible at English, terrible at spelling. Always have been, I think,
Speaker 1: always will be. Guys, I wish everybody. I wish the
Speaker 1: baddies were here behind the scenes when he was reading
Speaker 1: a dilemma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, reading, I do think I've got a little bit
Speaker 2: of like undiagnosed dyslexia when it comes to reading.
Speaker 1: I look, there's every chance in the world that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've always got away with it too, because
Speaker 2: like I remember in school, so like I tried hard,
Speaker 2: but I was that kid who if a teacher asked
Speaker 2: me to read something like, oh, I knew it was happening.
Speaker 2: I was reading like three lines ahead and like getting
Speaker 2: sweaty palms so I could read out loud and not
Speaker 2: stuff it up because I was so nervous to stuff
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and my parents will always used to be like,
Speaker 1: you don't even try.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm fucking like trying, and like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's possible to learn this shit.
Speaker 2: I remember like like you start doing essays and like
Speaker 2: submitting assignments, and I think, what was it called on
Speaker 2: a computer when you can spell check? Spell check like
Speaker 2: just came out or something. I fucking abused that thing.
Speaker 2: And Dad's like did you even read this? And I
Speaker 2: would like spell check different words and just click like
Speaker 2: one of them thinking it made sense, and they're like
Speaker 2: thinking it was the one I spelled and that like
Speaker 2: Dad would read. It's like, did you even read this?
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, He's like that, what's this word meaning?
Speaker 2: I was like, and I said a different word, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's like, you don't even.
Speaker 2: Try it, and I was like, well, I actually clearly
Speaker 2: I am trying. But the thing that I was thinking
Speaker 2: about it the other day so behind the scenes, like
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm average at best, but sometimes I really struggle
Speaker 2: to read.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and normally I edit it out.
Speaker 2: But I was thinking the other day, so we've been
Speaker 2: on the pod for four years, we've been doing dilemmas
Speaker 2: for how to Know three years, and I was like.
Speaker 1: Realistically, I haven't got any better.
Speaker 3: No, I would say, no, yeah, I agree, And I
Speaker 3: was like to like not to be me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, but surely if.
Speaker 2: I actually didn't have something like not in quotes wrong
Speaker 2: with me, I would get better.
Speaker 3: I guess genuinely though, Like if you're if we think
Speaker 3: about it properly, it's like, you know, you'd think it's
Speaker 3: hours of experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: I was just like, I was like, there's got to
Speaker 2: be like something or if you're like something just doesn't
Speaker 2: click my brain when I read.
Speaker 1: But sometimes it's it's weird.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I can kind of get fluent, but then I
Speaker 2: get in my head too much and I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: the word, the word after the word that I'm reading,
Speaker 2: and then that wigs my brain.
Speaker 3: Out something funny that I've noticed. I think, I know
Speaker 3: when you're doing that, Yeah, because how do I even
Speaker 3: explain like I assume you probably know when you're.
Speaker 1: Doing it right, yes, And I can't break out of it. Though.
Speaker 3: Sometimes when you're reading this must be so you're reading ahead,
Speaker 3: but then your words are saying a couple of words behind.
Speaker 1: You. It sounds like you've breathed out too much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like you've breathed out too much, and
Speaker 3: you're you're quiet.
Speaker 1: Down a lot, like you get a lot softer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like and what's happening is like
Speaker 3: I feel like you're there's a rhythm going and in
Speaker 3: your head, I reckon, you're thinking, I've got to hold
Speaker 3: onto this rhythm.
Speaker 1: I've noticed sometimes.
Speaker 2: I do I do, I do, I like, don't breathe
Speaker 2: and then like my words must get quieter too. I
Speaker 2: didn't know that, but so that I always struggled in
Speaker 2: the background with that. But also I got away with
Speaker 2: it too because like I understood everything yep. So like
Speaker 2: even if I couldn't read a word or I didn't
Speaker 2: fully like be able to understand the sentence or write
Speaker 2: it out, I always knew what was going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like I was good at mass, I was good
Speaker 2: at science, I was good at anything that didn't have
Speaker 2: like words in it the matter basically okay, now here,
Speaker 2: but that.
Speaker 1: Was going on.
Speaker 2: Like I tried in school, but like I was ever
Speaker 2: the smartest kid, So like sixteen, I just made that
Speaker 2: soccer team, and then I actually started to become pretty
Speaker 2: good and I started to get like pushed to.
Speaker 1: The older ages.
Speaker 2: So I was sixteen playning the sixteens, and I was
Speaker 2: also playing the eighteens as well against kids who were
Speaker 2: like bigger than me, and like that was developing my
Speaker 2: skills a lot. And then I got asked whilst I
Speaker 2: was in year eleven and twelve to start training with
Speaker 2: the eighteen twenties in first grade, which meant training in
Speaker 2: the morning when I was meant to be going to school,
Speaker 2: and training was forty five minutes away from school, so
Speaker 2: I remember I forgot it with the traffic and shit
Speaker 2: damn yeah, yeah, so I missed a lot of like
Speaker 2: year eleven and twelve, like I think you were meant
Speaker 2: to train three days a week. But in the background,
Speaker 2: like I also knew I was kind of always a realist,
Speaker 2: and I saw my parents in like a sense of
Speaker 2: like how realistic is that the year to make a
Speaker 2: career soccer.
Speaker 1: And you're losing your education.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I trained, I missed like two more and
Speaker 2: I'll get to school with like lunchtime.
Speaker 1: And then I loved it.
Speaker 2: But because like I missed like three periods and then
Speaker 2: I had like two periods and they went home.
Speaker 1: That's actually hectica.
Speaker 3: It's funny, like, wonder did your parents when you got
Speaker 3: offered that? Yeah, was there ever a moment where they
Speaker 3: were like, no, no, no, you can't miss school?
Speaker 2: Mom kind of, but Dad was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: I think we met in the middle because I was
Speaker 2: meant to be training three days a week and like
Speaker 2: you can go to two, and so your dad was a.
Speaker 1: Bit more keen on the whole idea of it. Dad.
Speaker 2: Dad, Dad was the most like supportive father ever, especially
Speaker 2: for like sport or even just in anything. But he
Speaker 2: had a passion for it. He loved I think he
Speaker 2: like like going to it with.
Speaker 1: Me, okay, fair, he like hanging out with you and shit.
Speaker 2: Like I remember as a kid too, just being like
Speaker 2: being this classic brat, being like fifteen sixty in this
Speaker 2: age and like my parents were driving to Sydney every
Speaker 2: fucking weekend and then I would be a brat and
Speaker 2: not talk to him and listen to music because I
Speaker 2: had to get in the zone. That is, if if
Speaker 2: you could change one thing, would you prefer to go
Speaker 2: back and.
Speaker 1: Just sit there and chat?
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent and like and then I remember too,
Speaker 2: if I had like a bad game, I wouldn't even
Speaker 2: like talk on the way home. I like, wouldn't even
Speaker 2: listen to anything. I was like, but you want to
Speaker 2: talk about the game? I was like no, Like I
Speaker 2: was just like, fuck off, flash that shit.
Speaker 1: That's like it's kind of funny. I think, like.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if is that something that's like
Speaker 3: so normal to go through or like, would you have
Speaker 3: preferred your dad to be like maybe a little bit more,
Speaker 3: nobody put the fucking phone down, We're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 3: You're gonna just tell me how why this game has
Speaker 3: made you feel so shit for five minutes. Then you
Speaker 3: can go to sulk like that would have Like if
Speaker 3: you think about it, would you think like I would
Speaker 3: have preferred if dad did that?
Speaker 1: Or do you not? Do you just think like, yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I think it is what it is.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know because also I don't think
Speaker 2: that would that wouldn't have worked for me? Right, Like
Speaker 2: it's kind of like going up against me and I'll
Speaker 2: be like, no, you're not fighting this. It also wasn't
Speaker 2: my my parents' parenting style. Yeah, I think that they
Speaker 2: were very much like you'll figure it out yourself. Yeah
Speaker 2: this was wrong, but I do. I don't think I
Speaker 2: ever like I definitely said it when I was older,
Speaker 2: and maybe I should even say anymore.
Speaker 1: How appreciative I should have been of.
Speaker 2: That, Like now that I'm an adult and realizing like
Speaker 2: what a weekend means to someone after working all week
Speaker 2: and like they gave their whole weekend to be Yeah.
Speaker 1: Which I'm very very appreciative of. It's crazy. Can you
Speaker 1: picture yourself giving your whole like giving your right not
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, that's why that's why I'm like not ready
Speaker 2: for a kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: If it was, if the kid came out, you'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like you also got like you got you're eleven years
Speaker 2: to prepare, prepare for that.
Speaker 3: But so your dad was always sup supportive, never made you.
Speaker 3: Was he did if you had a bad game? Was
Speaker 3: he like that was a shit game?
Speaker 1: Or was he always kind of.
Speaker 2: Like you know, nah nah nah, he didn't care at all.
Speaker 2: And also like my playing style was like mister consistent. Okay,
Speaker 2: I never did something like crazy, but I was also
Speaker 2: always really I played center back because I was tall
Speaker 2: and right back and I was a really good defender,
Speaker 2: and I like everyone could always rely on me. That's
Speaker 2: like what I that's like what I was there and
Speaker 2: the team for Yeah. And then so at this age
Speaker 2: year eleven and twelve, I'm playing an age up in
Speaker 2: soccer here or thereabouts, and like I kind of like
Speaker 2: it was just in a little bit in the back
Speaker 2: of my brain. It hadn't landed there yet. But like
Speaker 2: I think I'm seven eight now going into year eleven
Speaker 2: or like halfway through eleven, I'm like this. The thing
Speaker 2: about soccer was like it kind of forces you into
Speaker 2: the system to be, in quotes a man and kind
Speaker 2: of like fake it to you make it. And like
Speaker 2: I hadn't realized that at the time, but it basically
Speaker 2: forced you to be a cog in the system. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of politics who you know, not how good
Speaker 2: you are gets you you up and above other players,
Speaker 2: And I never really liked that, and like we didn't
Speaker 2: know anyone in the club. It was all just purely off,
Speaker 2: Like my ability and then I'm missing school and then
Speaker 2: I'm also going to plan soccer. I'm juggling a lot
Speaker 2: of things. I'm like seventeen, don't have a Scooby Doo,
Speaker 2: what's going on with life?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then same thing happens. In year twelve, I decided
Speaker 2: to do my ETA HC. I like major is that
Speaker 2: what it's called? Kind of remembering like PDHP, Graphics and business.
Speaker 2: There are three things I picked really loved. Business did
Speaker 2: really good in that I got like second in the year.
Speaker 2: I got like ninety in it or something. Maths i'd
Speaker 2: actually ended up doing average as I was in advanced Maths.
Speaker 2: And then I right before the testing, I dropped down
Speaker 2: to like normal masks. I was struggling so much. And
Speaker 2: then graphics I topped the year and I got some
Speaker 2: award for that too.
Speaker 1: Top to the year in graphics. Well that's why I
Speaker 1: ended up doing architecture and university. Ah okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Because me and one friend you'll know it is Austin
Speaker 2: mcaf under graphics. We did we both did really good actually,
Speaker 2: but it's also like it's I think it's it's similar.
Speaker 2: You would note it's similar to would work like it's
Speaker 2: kind of easy to be good at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to do is apply yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, like that's literally, yeah you literally you
Speaker 2: just have to apply yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I like designing on a computer, which I think
Speaker 2: paid dividends for, like editing the podcast in a sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah here.
Speaker 2: So I'll actually go And I was dating the skill
Speaker 2: captain at the time, which she made me apply myself
Speaker 2: because she was like she was trying really hard, Like
Speaker 2: I'll give her credit for that. I don't think I
Speaker 2: would have applied myself as much if I wasn't dating her.
Speaker 3: Part of it was like almost wanting to keep her
Speaker 3: on your good side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was away like like I try
Speaker 2: really hard in everything I do. That's always been what
Speaker 2: I've done. And I think like she was trying, so
Speaker 2: I'm like I need to impress that I want to
Speaker 2: try hard to.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah fair, fair, fair, So I'll
Speaker 1: kind of sent you re credit for that. And basically
Speaker 1: finished school.
Speaker 2: I got like a seventy and a half etar good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then at this point I drunk, like I was
Speaker 2: a really late bloomer, Like you can tell I had
Speaker 2: like no sort of like social life in a sense
Speaker 2: of like hanging out with friends. Like I didn't start
Speaker 2: drinking at sixteen. I had my first drink on like
Speaker 2: New Year's twenty seventeen. I think maybe okay, okay, And
Speaker 2: then so was it twenty surnay or twenty eighty.
Speaker 1: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a blur. But in the background,
Speaker 2: I'm playing eighteen soccer. And then I'm also as I
Speaker 2: turn eight eight and I'm being pushed to twenties. And
Speaker 2: then I also come to the major debate of like
Speaker 2: what do I do after school? Yeah, and my parents
Speaker 2: weren't pushing me at all by any means. And then
Speaker 2: like my brother hadn't gone to UNI at that point,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't really know what to do,
Speaker 2: and I just started I remember like just looking up
Speaker 2: on I can't of remember cause you look up all
Speaker 2: the different courses, and I was looking up between because
Speaker 2: I did well in graphics. I was just clicked like
Speaker 2: I'm good at design, so I'm like I could do
Speaker 2: architecture or building construction management.
Speaker 1: Yep. And you can put it.
Speaker 2: You can apply to universities and pick like certain things,
Speaker 2: and if you don't get the top one, you do
Speaker 2: the second one.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I got into Newcastle University for architecture, which
Speaker 2: is actually pretty good. I think the requirements were like
Speaker 2: eighty something because my graphic results were good. It got
Speaker 2: me in because of off like prior learning.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I so eighteen, say we're going into nineteen.
Speaker 2: It's this kind of age is one massive blur.
Speaker 1: For me, right, A lot of development going on, a
Speaker 1: lot of development, and in the background playing soccer. I
Speaker 1: was playing. I was playing eighteens and then being.
Speaker 2: On the bench for twenties as well, and then I
Speaker 2: got asked to train with twenties. Eighteens went back to
Speaker 2: afternoon sessions because a lot of the kids, like me,
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, we can't ask kids who are in school
Speaker 2: to train in the morning. That doesn't make any sense, yep.
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of parents had a lot
Speaker 2: of rebuttles, so they put eighteens in the afternoon and
Speaker 2: then twenties in the morning. But I was driving to
Speaker 2: Newcastle for three or four times a week to fucking
Speaker 2: go to university, so I couldn't train with the twenties. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I was playing eighteens and twenties, but I was
Speaker 2: only training of the eighteens and I ended up being
Speaker 2: staying in the eighteens because I couldn't develop and go
Speaker 2: to the twenties if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And then I just started to fucking hate my life
Speaker 2: a yeah, right, and like I was because I was
Speaker 2: going to Union, and then I was thinking, like fuck,
Speaker 2: I was like I don't like this. I was like
Speaker 2: half the time half my lafe driving to Newcastle an
Speaker 2: hour and a half each way, yep.
Speaker 1: And I'm like this isn't what I want to do.
Speaker 2: And then I'm after the session I'm training with add
Speaker 2: anyear old, who I was like arguably better than a
Speaker 2: lot of them, yep. And then I was like I
Speaker 2: can't develop because I'm stuck trying to also not commit
Speaker 2: fully to something that's probably not likely going to happen.
Speaker 1: So what was keeping you at soccer? Just I was
Speaker 1: good at it and that's all I've ever known.
Speaker 3: And in the back that was there, like so you
Speaker 3: thought yourself, I'm not gonna go pro.
Speaker 1: But was there still a thing of like I could?
Speaker 2: I think I always knew, like those ball skills always
Speaker 2: caught up to me and like I was never like
Speaker 2: that good, but I was good, So it was hard.
Speaker 2: And then like there was a lot of like like
Speaker 2: I said, politics there that was like kind of steering
Speaker 2: me not to develop and go further because I didn't
Speaker 2: know anyone in a sense. And also, like I said,
Speaker 2: my ball skills weren't there. And then I remember it
Speaker 2: came to a point so I was like eighteen or nineteen.
Speaker 2: It's a blur. Some of the numbers might be wrong.
Speaker 2: You had to if you didn't train, they wouldn't start,
Speaker 2: and we trained three times a week.
Speaker 1: I would go.
Speaker 2: I started to going on the training once a week,
Speaker 2: and I just made excuses for the other times I'm
Speaker 2: at UNI or I can't make it or whatever, so
Speaker 2: I can still start because I'm like, if I'm driving
Speaker 2: a Sydney, I'm as, we'll fucking start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to be on the bench, yeahs
Speaker 1: will start.
Speaker 2: And then it's just like all this just sort of
Speaker 2: clicked to me in a sense, and I was like fuck,
Speaker 2: I was just like I'd had enough. I don't remember
Speaker 2: it all if I talked to my parents about it,
Speaker 2: or if I just did it and I just fucking
Speaker 2: quit both of them.
Speaker 1: May you quit both architecture and soccer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just quick everything, I like knew, I just quit.
Speaker 1: I was this, I just like had.
Speaker 3: Enough where you're just like both of these things are
Speaker 3: bringing me so much fucking stress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, legit its like eighteen turning nineteen. I think that's
Speaker 2: how old I was, maybe twenty, I can't remember. I
Speaker 2: think it was eighteen twenty nineteen or nineteen twenty twenty whatever.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, fuck, I was just and
Speaker 2: I remember talking to like, did you still have your
Speaker 2: girlfriend at this point? Sort of sort of not and
Speaker 2: off it would have been we broke up, like I
Speaker 2: think maybe just we would have like just broken up
Speaker 2: after this maybe okay, that same girlfriend as a school captain.
Speaker 2: And then I remember talking to like the technical director
Speaker 2: about it, and I was just like I was just
Speaker 2: saying all my concern I was just like, I don't
Speaker 2: I just actually don't love it anymore, Like the love
Speaker 2: for the sports has been like fucking taken away from me.
Speaker 2: I was like, I just don't want to be I
Speaker 2: was like, I honestly I think I said to him,
Speaker 2: I was like, I just don't want to be here,
Speaker 2: and he's like fair enough, fair enough, and then he
Speaker 2: ended up like leaving and then they called me back
Speaker 2: a couple months later asking if I wanted to come back,
Speaker 2: and at that point I was like fuck, I was like,
Speaker 2: I haven't been this like happy and forever. I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: come back. It was because going through, like in quotes
Speaker 2: the professional sports upbringing, there's so much pressure on you
Speaker 2: week on week to perform. It's put on by yourself,
Speaker 2: it's put on by coaches, and it's just like that
Speaker 2: pressure was gone and that kind of like I had
Speaker 2: such a structured life for eleven through nineteen that I
Speaker 2: was just like, nah, I just need to be free
Speaker 2: for a bit, and like it was grateful that my
Speaker 2: parents were very supportive and like and didn't.
Speaker 1: Pushed me to do anything.
Speaker 2: So basically I just like fucking cold Turkey and everything
Speaker 2: and didn't know what to do after you cold Turkey
Speaker 2: and everything?
Speaker 1: What was well? What did you feel like? I did?
Speaker 1: I felt lost?
Speaker 2: I remember so I tried going to UNI, like I
Speaker 2: think every single O one of our friends was doing
Speaker 2: a trade, and I remember them giving me shit for
Speaker 2: l like because they worked seven to three or seven to four,
Speaker 2: and that's that's when snapchat was still a massive thing.
Speaker 1: I felt guilty for not going to work.
Speaker 2: What I ended up doing was I instead of going
Speaker 2: to training going to union, I started going to the
Speaker 2: gym every day.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: I was like that made me feel accomplished.
Speaker 1: But I remember fucking feeling guilty, like I'm not working,
Speaker 1: like I should be working.
Speaker 2: I should be working a lot of these boys, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I juggled that for years, hey, like not doing like.
Speaker 1: Probably jealous that you fucking had a bit of control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was lucky that I never really cared about
Speaker 2: money or I never had any pressure for my parents. Like,
Speaker 2: and I tried laboring. I've talked about a fur bit
Speaker 2: on the pod. Fucking hated that that was with a
Speaker 2: couple of mates. I remember thinking like I was working
Speaker 2: with mates, and I liked a bit of demo, like
Speaker 2: fucking knocking down houses, Like this is kind of fun.
Speaker 1: I could see myself.
Speaker 2: Doing this, smash it up, yeah, smashing shit. And then
Speaker 2: we started like getting on the tools a little bit,
Speaker 2: like just simple shit like jackhammering and like moving screws
Speaker 2: and stuff. And I remember like driving home one day
Speaker 2: after being on a jackhammer and I'm like my arms
Speaker 2: and like I felt like my bones were shaking.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: At this point, I'd been laboring for like three months,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I was like, this also can't be
Speaker 2: what life's about. I'm like, I can't, like, I can't
Speaker 2: be fucking doing this. Yeah, and then I and then
Speaker 2: I told the boss. I was like, hey, mate, I
Speaker 2: was like, he offered me a carpentry apprenticeship. That's where
Speaker 2: the conversation said. I was like, I don't want it,
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm actually gonna leave. I'll give you like
Speaker 2: a week or two left in care. But it was
Speaker 2: really nice this. So I'm going down all these avenues
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't fucking know what i want
Speaker 2: to do. Way, yeah, I mean I think this is
Speaker 2: when like dad had always had, like my dad's a
Speaker 2: horticultures taught it at TAFE, which is like plants and landscaping.
Speaker 2: He had in the background a little business. It's about
Speaker 2: garden maintenance and regenerating gardens to be native.
Speaker 1: And look after themselves.
Speaker 2: And that's what he specialized in and he started I've
Speaker 2: always worked with him, like moving soil and doing this
Speaker 2: in that moo and law ones. But when he does yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: throwing me a bit of work and said do you
Speaker 2: want to do this? And I was like yeah, And
Speaker 2: this is like the first thing I actually, like, semi
Speaker 2: actually enjoyed. And I think it's also because it was
Speaker 2: the first time granted that he's my dad, but it
Speaker 2: was the first adult who like, ah, treated me with
Speaker 2: respect yep, and treated me as an equal, whereas like
Speaker 2: all through soccer it was a hierarchy coaches play best
Speaker 2: players for the best goes down, goes down the barrow
Speaker 2: to the bottom of the line, and then saying we
Speaker 2: uni teachers if you're smart and you make it through.
Speaker 2: Same with school. That makes sense even with like the
Speaker 2: first couple jobs. I also worked in the background. I
Speaker 2: think got to mention as an usher at a Marina's game,
Speaker 2: but I fucking stopped that too because I haded soccer
Speaker 2: and then I did all that and gardening was the
Speaker 2: first thing I saw. It was like started to like
Speaker 2: a little bit, but also I knew, like this can't.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it was good because I was making decent coin,
Speaker 2: but then I was also like, ah, there's more to
Speaker 2: life than this as well. Yeah, so I just feel
Speaker 2: like a year or two. I just started gardening and
Speaker 2: gun at the gym and falling in love with the gym.
Speaker 2: And I tried going back to UNI within all that,
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, I lasted even less than
Speaker 2: the last time. Tried a couple different courses, tried one online.
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, this isn't for me. I just didn't
Speaker 2: make any sort of sense. And then so we're at
Speaker 2: about let's say, twenty, Yeah, okay, twenty. So when did
Speaker 2: we go on our trip?
Speaker 1: Held? Were we twenty one? Yeah? Twenty one? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is about right. No, this is perfect.
Speaker 2: So I was gardening a lot, and I've talked about
Speaker 2: on the pod before I'll get to it.
Speaker 1: I'm almost done. Is this good? Still? That's great?
Speaker 2: So I'm twenty gardening a lot, not playing soccer. I also,
Speaker 2: I forgot to mention, I tried playing for other teams,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, nah, I don't love this at all.
Speaker 1: Like I hate this.
Speaker 2: I didn't train at all and just walked and rocked
Speaker 2: up to games.
Speaker 1: There's one.
Speaker 2: I don't know why this was such a big fundamental
Speaker 2: thing for me, but I'm so grateful this happened to me.
Speaker 2: So I was working with data Fairbit. I was also
Speaker 2: doing a few of my own jobs, which was teaching
Speaker 2: me to like talk to people in real life, which
Speaker 2: as a guy, I was really really shy and awkward
Speaker 2: and didn't have many talking.
Speaker 1: Skills, and but I thought a lot. That was weird.
Speaker 1: That was a weird thing about me.
Speaker 2: I didn't talk, but I thought a lot, which sounds
Speaker 2: weird to say, because I'm sure everyone thinks, but like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just thought so much but never spoke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I did.
Speaker 2: So I was gardening and Dad ended up getting this
Speaker 2: client which was like fifteen minutes away. She was a
Speaker 2: lovely she was probably seventy nine or eighty when we
Speaker 2: first went there, and we did one big job for her.
Speaker 2: It was like pruning a tree that had fallen over
Speaker 2: a PowerPoint power pole and after.
Speaker 1: It, she's like, oh, I need a full time gardener.
Speaker 2: And Dad's like Dad specializes in like big stuff, and
Speaker 2: like he's kind of expensive because he's qualified. And he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: but I've got my son over there. He's twenty, he's
Speaker 2: pretty green. He like he knows what's a weed and
Speaker 2: what's not. He can come and work for like thirty
Speaker 2: bucks an hour for ye, and she also didn't have
Speaker 2: that much money.
Speaker 1: So this is like the start of like.
Speaker 2: Me sort of doing my own entrepreneurial gardening stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also like so I ended up I started fortnightly
Speaker 2: I would go to her name was Francis, loveliest old
Speaker 2: lady in the world, going to this lady's house and
Speaker 2: gardening once a fortnight for two hours each time for
Speaker 2: thirty dollars an hour. And we ended up just like talking,
Speaker 2: which was really really nice and like I didn't know
Speaker 2: how to talk prior to her. Yeah, and like I
Speaker 2: used to be really nervous going there when I started
Speaker 2: and stuff. And then we formed a really nice relationship
Speaker 2: and she was teaching a lot, and that was going
Speaker 2: on for like a year or so. And it also
Speaker 2: I also found out too that like she had lost
Speaker 2: her son at about my age. I don't know how
Speaker 2: old she would have been. There was photos in her
Speaker 2: house all around it, and I think Dad told me
Speaker 2: and she never told me about it, but it came
Speaker 2: came out later down the track years and years along.
Speaker 2: So I think we both like kind of like in
Speaker 2: a sense not needed and it isn't the right word
Speaker 2: but it was good that we came into each other's lives.
Speaker 1: You complimented. We had so much to offer each other.
Speaker 2: And I ended up gardening there like once a week
Speaker 2: for like fucking years, and we just like chatted and
Speaker 2: chatted for ages. It was the coolest relationship ever. And
Speaker 2: then in the background, this is when Jake and I
Speaker 2: go on our trip to up the East Coast of Australia.
Speaker 1: You've heard about that.
Speaker 2: That's how the podcast, like the foundations of the podcast started.
Speaker 2: We come back from doing that, our relationships amazing. And
Speaker 2: that's planning to seed. In my head, I've learned sort
Speaker 2: of like these skills from talking to this lady and
Speaker 2: you and like I know my thoughts and like how
Speaker 2: I feel mean something. Yeah, and then like planning to
Speaker 2: seed just the podcast and like in the background, didn't
Speaker 2: know what to do. I don't want to be a gardener,
Speaker 2: but it's good for now. Yeah, And then like the
Speaker 2: I come back and I keep gardening. Her name was Francis,
Speaker 2: like I said, and doing all that, and that's when
Speaker 2: we started the podcast, and basically reckon from here.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where everyone knows.
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, like basically from that point, we
Speaker 3: just started recording the podcast every week, you gardened. I
Speaker 3: did my job until we just like we had we
Speaker 3: the podcast wasn't doing well. And then before we even like,
Speaker 3: we just like planned a trip to Bali.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And then a month a month before we go to Bali,
Speaker 3: just like every clip we post starts blowing up and
Speaker 3: we're like, we're like, shit, this could be something. We're
Speaker 3: about to go to Bailey for six weeks. We need
Speaker 3: to like figure out how to record over there. We
Speaker 3: brought gear with us, and I remember having a conversation
Speaker 3: prior being like, what if we just like go over
Speaker 3: there and.
Speaker 1: It's just for some reason it all goes away?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I remember we were scared of but I
Speaker 2: remember we were just scared that. We were like, you know,
Speaker 2: what if it just all goes away?
Speaker 3: But then what we ended up doing was sorry to
Speaker 3: take over your fucking life story.
Speaker 1: Give me, give me a breather of I feel like
Speaker 1: I've talked a lot.
Speaker 3: We went to Bali right the podcast was like starting
Speaker 3: to blow up on social media, and we were like,
Speaker 3: quock COOKOK, we've got to ride this way, right this way,
Speaker 3: We're getting some more listeners. And what we did was
Speaker 3: we found we thought, Okay, we planned on going to
Speaker 3: bil for like a six week holiday to just like
Speaker 3: Laser Round go to the gym, and just like we
Speaker 3: just you know, saved money for it. We're just like,
Speaker 3: we're just going to do nothing for six weeks because
Speaker 3: we both hate working.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the other thing we had in mind was we're
Speaker 3: also going to treat the like we're going to treat
Speaker 3: the podcast like our full time job for six weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the mindset was when we come home.
Speaker 3: We're just both going to go back to work and
Speaker 3: then yeah, and then I remember also us thinking in
Speaker 3: the back of our heads, like having that six weeks
Speaker 3: of being in Bali and having the podcast be full time, well,
Speaker 3: when we get home and have to go back to work,
Speaker 3: we were hoping that it would like drive us to.
Speaker 1: Really make the podcast work.
Speaker 3: And just while we were in Bali, trajectory stayed the same,
Speaker 3: and when we got home, neither one of us.
Speaker 1: Went back to work.
Speaker 3: Went to be fair prematurely like we both should have
Speaker 3: gone back to work, but we both just thought fuck it,
Speaker 3: Like we we just lived off savings and both of
Speaker 3: us did odd jobs here and there and eventually after
Speaker 3: like I want to say, excuse me, I want to say,
Speaker 3: maybe like a few months after we started to make
Speaker 3: a little bit of money slowly and we were like,
Speaker 3: hell yeah, we started to be able pay ourselves like,
Speaker 3: you know, five hundred bucks a week each.
Speaker 1: We were like fucking open.
Speaker 3: Then we from like relatively maybe only six months later,
Speaker 3: we got to the point where we like were comfortable
Speaker 3: enough to start paying ourselves one thousand dollars a week each.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we still just pay ourselves a thousand bucks
Speaker 1: a week each, like that's just what we do. It
Speaker 1: just is enough for both of us, Like it's crazy
Speaker 1: looking back at today.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, So that's basically I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people. That's from where the podcast starts, So you
Speaker 2: can go back and listen to that. But that's what
Speaker 2: makes up me and I guess the only other thing
Speaker 2: I didn't really mention too was like from eighteen I started.
Speaker 2: So what often happens with like in quotes athletes is
Speaker 2: becuz I didn't experience drinking for like two years. So
Speaker 2: in Australia, it's so common to start drinking at fifteen
Speaker 2: or sixteen. Yep, I was like behind on that. So
Speaker 2: I kind of like tried to make up for it
Speaker 2: a little bit when I turned nineteen twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: and I quit soccer in that and I also started
Speaker 2: partying a fair bit as well. Yeah, and that's also
Speaker 2: like out where our friendship group, Jake was introduced from
Speaker 2: a mutual friend and that's how I met Jake completely,
Speaker 2: and he started hanging out with our group when we
Speaker 2: became mates too in that Yeah, and we were drinking
Speaker 2: like most weekends, all of our mates with trade's.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jake was a trading and then on the
Speaker 2: week Friday Saturday night would go meet down. It was
Speaker 2: called Point Beers near the Surf Club, and we'd all
Speaker 2: go drink and start chatting shit with all our friends.
Speaker 2: And that's where I met Jake as well too, not
Speaker 2: met him, but like our friendship.
Speaker 1: We'd known each other since we were fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like started having actual conversations I guess, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: through a mutual friend.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's basically it.
Speaker 2: It's actually quite interesting talking about yourself for so long
Speaker 2: because so much comes back to you, and then you're
Speaker 2: also like shit, like what do I say? Because there's
Speaker 2: so much to talk about, like this is my life, yeah, like.
Speaker 1: You could, you could go for ten hours, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But I think that kind of like makes up me.
Speaker 1: I was lost for so long.
Speaker 2: I was always so quiet, and that's why a podcast
Speaker 2: for a lot of people, I think was like.
Speaker 1: What the fell audio? Is something to say?
Speaker 2: But in my head, I was like it made so
Speaker 2: much sense because I always thought so much.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and I think there's a lot of takeaways
Speaker 2: from that too, that like I had absolutely no idea
Speaker 2: what journey I was going on, Like when I was
Speaker 2: at No Name, even though it was a simple thing,
Speaker 2: my life was slipped on its head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just for me, for me, like a decision that
Speaker 1: flipped it on its head.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and like I needed that and I look
Speaker 2: back at it now and I think it was the
Speaker 2: best decision I ever made.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Shit, And I think I've always had what's it called when? Definitely,
Speaker 2: I mean it's a good decision of yeah, what's it called?
Speaker 1: When? Is it not? Empathy? Like I know my worth.
Speaker 2: I've always known my worth, and I've been in a
Speaker 2: lucky position where like I can I have freedom to
Speaker 2: make decisions. But if I don't like something or I
Speaker 2: think something's not fair on me, I will happily say
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 1: You just advocate for yourself. Yeah, I've always been really
Speaker 1: good at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you're worth you advkate for yourself and
Speaker 3: you also.
Speaker 1: Just know what you like and don't like it could be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like it's really hard because a
Speaker 2: lot of people I know do a lot of like
Speaker 2: taking away from if you have to do it for money,
Speaker 2: Like I know that's the situation forced on your hand,
Speaker 2: but if you have the decision, a lot of people
Speaker 2: struggle to make that decision because like they don't know
Speaker 2: what's on the other side. Yeah, where for me, I
Speaker 2: would prefer to be on the other side than to
Speaker 2: be unhappy, fair and to and like that came for
Speaker 2: some reason with your personality that came easy.
Speaker 1: Like to you, that's a very very.
Speaker 3: Logical decision making process, but to some people it's not
Speaker 3: exactly like and that just proves how like everyone's just
Speaker 3: so fucking different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even too, Like a lot of people, like
Speaker 2: my girlfriend you kind and not really I feel like
Speaker 2: you're half, but a lot of like other friends, I
Speaker 2: feel like I have to experience, have experienced his journey
Speaker 2: and something happened in their life where they like changed
Speaker 2: how they thought and who they were as a person,
Speaker 2: Whereas like, how I've thought, I've always thought like this
Speaker 2: since i was born.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I've always had the same mindset. I've always been similar.
Speaker 2: I know what I like and dislike, and I've always
Speaker 2: been like otdie if that makes sense. Yep, I've always
Speaker 2: thought of my own way. I've always had the same outlooks,
Speaker 2: and I've always been like just I've always been me,
Speaker 2: Whereas I feel like a lot of people, like my
Speaker 2: girlfriend for example, like she had to go on this
Speaker 2: full journey of like solo travel. She went to the
Speaker 2: army and like did all that. I suppose I did
Speaker 2: it in my own way, but it's but also my
Speaker 2: mindset didn't change. Just what I like changed, but she
Speaker 2: her whole mindset and outlook on life changed. But my
Speaker 2: outlooks always been the same on life if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, fair, No, I like there was no like
Speaker 3: canon event for you where everything changed. They just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like you just have been who you are since you know.
Speaker 3: It's like you can remember exactly exactly fair.
Speaker 2: So how that gives everyone a bit more info and
Speaker 2: background to who Audio is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we have something. First of all, I want
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