WEBVTT - EP 38 - THIS IS OTTIE

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up on relatables.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, I would prefer to be on the other

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<v Speaker 2>side than to be unhappy, fair.

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<v Speaker 3>And to and like that came for some reason with

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<v Speaker 3>your personality that came easy. Like to you, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>very very logical decision making process, but to some people

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<v Speaker 3>it's not. A light of his podcast is so said

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<v Speaker 3>by myself, Jake Craig aka Daddy and my apartner on

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<v Speaker 3>Crime is to Oddie Clark aka Mummy and Boo ODDI is.

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<v Speaker 1>Mummy because.

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<v Speaker 3>Through years of joining the podcast, we have come to

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<v Speaker 3>the conclusion that if you are to go to someone

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<v Speaker 3>and talk about maybe something's going on in your life,

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<v Speaker 3>it's more than likely going to be Oddie.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt that was so formal. And Jake is your

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<v Speaker 2>father because sometimes he's just there at the right times

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes he doesn't pick up his phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, you know what, it's pretty description of myself. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say so too. It just came to me

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jake, we actually have a very very special and

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<v Speaker 2>different episode today, don't we.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we do. I've wanted to do this. I reckon

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<v Speaker 1>for like wow over a year, two years, two years?

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<v Speaker 2>You reckon, But I never really knew how to execute it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then also like, I didn't know if it's what

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<v Speaker 2>the baddies wanted you listeners being the baddies of course,

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<v Speaker 2>of course. And then a couple of things have been

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<v Speaker 2>happening behind the scenes in the podcast and my frontal

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<v Speaker 2>lobe has been developing. I was like, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>Jake I said to my voice message yesterday. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a fucking idea. And the idea is, So

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<v Speaker 2>we've been doing the podcast now for four years and

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<v Speaker 2>on out end it's sometimes really really hard to distinguish

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<v Speaker 2>who was actually actually listening, and there's so much assumed

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge that you know who Jake and I are, but

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<v Speaker 2>the reality of that is probably a lot of you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a Scooby doo who Jake and I are

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<v Speaker 2>and why we are the way we are. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>we wanted to do a two part series of getting

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<v Speaker 2>to know Jake and myself. So this is gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>by episode of who is Oddie Clark YEP? And I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, actually I thought of this idea too, because

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<v Speaker 2>everyone knows or maybe you don't know. I love listening

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<v Speaker 2>to Dak Shepherd Armchair Expert YEP. The podcast and he

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<v Speaker 2>interviews a lot of famous people who are American.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he does.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to make this sound wrong if

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<v Speaker 2>you're an American, but I feel like Americans love talking

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<v Speaker 2>about like themselves and their culture, like where they.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if it's a common personality thing in.

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<v Speaker 2>America where they grew up and everyone, like if they

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<v Speaker 2>say college, everyone's like fucking go with the Seahawks or

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<v Speaker 2>some shit.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually a good point. There's a lot of patriotism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but as Australians, if you or anyone asked me

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<v Speaker 2>about like my childhood or what school I went to,

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<v Speaker 2>I would just try and get past that as quickly

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<v Speaker 2>as possible, because I'm like, no one about Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, true, no one.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not that no one cares, not that no one cares.

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<v Speaker 2>More that like no one will know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we always think that. Yeah, so this

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<v Speaker 1>episode is stuff with that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but basically this episode is going to be like

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<v Speaker 2>all about the nitty gritty of what makes up me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we really want to learn about So obviously

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to do an episode each and we just thought,

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<v Speaker 3>I if this is something we would want to learn

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<v Speaker 3>about a podcast we listen to, then maybe it's something

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<v Speaker 3>that all the baddies we want to learn about us

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<v Speaker 3>and if like, and another thing we think about is

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<v Speaker 3>how some of the baddies being you guys listening, you

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<v Speaker 3>guys have been some we have been here for a year,

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<v Speaker 3>two years, three years, maybe four years. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 3>something like so the people that have been here for

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<v Speaker 3>four years are going to know more than the people

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<v Speaker 3>that have been here for one year exactly if you

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<v Speaker 3>just got here. Then it's always nice to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like know about a person and feel them feel like

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<v Speaker 3>you know them on a more personal and parasocial level.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing about a podcast is feeling like you're

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<v Speaker 2>in a conversation with us two of your mates. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and like if some of my favorite podcasts like gave

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<v Speaker 2>more depth to who they are, I'll be like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know, like what makes up Dax Shepherd

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<v Speaker 2>or who had James from Ships and Gigs?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what were they like when they were twelve?

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<v Speaker 2>Same they mentioned things they do? Yeah, like we mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>things too, but then we always think like no one cares.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is basically getting all.

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<v Speaker 1>Of that out of the way.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, yeah, we did, like, why not just go

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<v Speaker 3>like you remember remember back in the day and YouTube

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<v Speaker 3>when there's this massive trend of YouTuber.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be like draw my life. Yes, oh I draw.

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<v Speaker 3>They get a whiteboard and they draw it and race it,

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<v Speaker 3>and they draw seeing any race it and draw seeing

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<v Speaker 3>any race it.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to watch those. I used to love those.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that too. I love that too. Side Men

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<v Speaker 1>still like brought it back occasionally here and there. Really yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>on the second channel, we should have done a draw

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. That would have been cool. We can't draw,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, that drawing would be fun. Just stick figures

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<v Speaker 1>and ship anyway, So this is Oddy's episode, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to try and chill.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll ask gotty questions that I think people listening would

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<v Speaker 3>want to ask because I may learn some stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know, you might actually, yeah, maybe I will.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think I'll shut up and I would love

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<v Speaker 3>to let Ottie take the reins a bit and give us.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we want everything. I want it from the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You know why am I kind of a bit nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>I never like talk about it. I never even in life,

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<v Speaker 1>I never talk about myself this much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, talking about yourself is a bit weird because you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>just who gives a fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I want to know. I want to know about

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<v Speaker 1>the moment from when you first breathed there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, So I was born from there, no, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Turning twenty six this year. I was born twenty second

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<v Speaker 1>of August two thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was originally born at Windsor Hospital in the

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>You were originally born there and then unoriginally born where

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<v Speaker 1>I was originally A good point.

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<v Speaker 2>I was born full stop, and we moved on like

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<v Speaker 2>my brothers. So I have a brother who is four

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<v Speaker 2>years older than me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and your brother was born there as well as you.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me say that again.

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<v Speaker 2>My brother's three years older than me, and they lived

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<v Speaker 2>in the Blue Mountains and they saved a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money to move to the central coasts of New South Wales, Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>to a place called McMaster's Beach. And I moved when

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<v Speaker 2>I was a couple months old, and I have lived

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<v Speaker 2>at McMaster's Beach ever since then until recently.

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<v Speaker 3>So the house that you're in now, I know that

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<v Speaker 3>your dad built, right. Yeah, when you moved from Windsor Or,

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<v Speaker 3>the Blue Mountains When you moved from the Blue Mountains

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<v Speaker 3>to McMaster's Beach, was it literally to the actual property

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<v Speaker 3>that you live at now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>So this property now, Dad's done major renovations to it.

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<v Speaker 2>We knocked the whole house down and then redid it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was in stages. It was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>firebro shacks on stilts, so the laundry was underneath, and

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<v Speaker 2>then upstairs was all one level. It was two bedrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and my brother shared a bedroom, I remember, bunk beds,

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<v Speaker 2>and then my parents had the other room, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it was just a living room and a bathroom. That

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<v Speaker 2>was it laundry underneath.

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<v Speaker 1>Danah, And so four years old you went there? No,

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<v Speaker 1>for like four months? Four months old? Yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 1>a newborn baby, said you lived in the Blue Mountains

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<v Speaker 1>for four years? No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, So my brother was three years older than me.

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<v Speaker 2>I chucked a few numbers out there, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>moved to the center coast mick Master's Beach. This house

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<v Speaker 2>is not the same house, but where were We now

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<v Speaker 2>have a studio in my parents' house too.

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<v Speaker 3>So you so it's twenty basically, it's twenty six years

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And you just moved in with your girlfriend, which

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<v Speaker 3>is only you know, five minutes away from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, so I'm a bit of a homebody.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wait until I don't want to promote my own episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Waiting to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, well I think that's what's so interesting. We

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<v Speaker 2>have such different upbringings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And then I guess, give me,

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<v Speaker 1>give me a.

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<v Speaker 3>Core memory from from like when do you remember the

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<v Speaker 3>house being a fiber shack or did your dad randomly?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got a core memory, So I don't you

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<v Speaker 2>remember a lot when you were a child. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember much. I think, like honestly, like it must be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had a very blissful childhood, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I remembered much because nothing was really like stand out.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just it was just nice. It was just good,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, though. So dad knocked down this house in stages,

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<v Speaker 2>so he built underneath at first and then knocked down

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<v Speaker 2>on top, so we had someone to live underneath, and

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<v Speaker 2>then his him and mum's bedroom. They let us draw

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<v Speaker 2>or draw all over the walls.

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<v Speaker 1>That's acting.

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<v Speaker 2>So me and my brother had like permanent markets. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember friends coming over and we had this whole it

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<v Speaker 2>was like a graffiti wall, Like our friends would come

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<v Speaker 2>over and we would fucking join it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was the coolest thing. Everyone's like, oh, comes on

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<v Speaker 1>my wall, and shit, I remember that. That's a core memory.

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<v Speaker 1>That is actually that as a kid, that's the funnest thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I said, my memory is pretty like just

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<v Speaker 1>not good. From a young age.

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<v Speaker 2>For some reason, it starts to like can I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>around like eight or nine. But the biggest bomb drop

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon that a lot of people maybe don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>is my name's actually not Oddie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, what the fuck. Let's let's sit with the

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<v Speaker 1>birth certificate government name. Yeah, my name is Osway Conrad Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>Take that in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, take a second and take it in.

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<v Speaker 2>So ever since I can remember, like even before I

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<v Speaker 2>can remember, I was always called ODDI I think because

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<v Speaker 2>I actually as a kid, I wasn't the biggest fan

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<v Speaker 2>of Oway because it sounded like an old person's name

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<v Speaker 2>to me. Yeah, but the older it's also it's also

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<v Speaker 2>hard to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just it just sounds so different to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And and the older I've gotten, the more I've started

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<v Speaker 2>to like appreciate it, and I love being unique.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, but no one.

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<v Speaker 2>Only mum calls me out where occasionally or Cassie and

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<v Speaker 2>that's about it.

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<v Speaker 1>UK, throw it out there here. Very I've heard in

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<v Speaker 1>a while from you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, but very his mom actually calls me

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<v Speaker 2>all way too sometimes my girlfriend's mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I've always thought, like, I don't know too many people

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<v Speaker 3>like this, like we have a couple, right, So, like

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<v Speaker 3>my name, my name is so simple, it's one syllable,

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<v Speaker 3>very popular for the year I was born, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>know so many people named Jake. Yeah, I've always been

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<v Speaker 3>I've always thought so for some reason, so cool when

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<v Speaker 3>someone's got this, like whether it be a unique or

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<v Speaker 3>even not a unique name, but they for somehow, they

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<v Speaker 3>somehow developed this nickname true at childhood, which becomes like

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<v Speaker 3>their name, what was yours?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I didn't have one name.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you call Craigs or not? Because it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like your family name, So I.

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<v Speaker 3>Got I got Craigs by friends in like high school.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, but like I'm like my family was always just

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<v Speaker 3>either Jake or like Jakie. Like as a kid, it's

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<v Speaker 3>Jakie because like, like I still have aunties that will

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<v Speaker 3>call me Jakie because like they just called me that,

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<v Speaker 3>but I never like Otti is similar to Otway, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ODDI no, no, no no. And then we have a.

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<v Speaker 3>Friend named Jack whose nickname is JJ and like literally

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<v Speaker 3>everyone just knows him by JJ.

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<v Speaker 1>True, his last name is Jenkins, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Jack guy whose name is Bruce and he and I

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<v Speaker 3>literally thought his name was.

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<v Speaker 1>Larry for four years. Really well, it's funny. We always

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<v Speaker 1>found that so interesting. But this is about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is about ye when I was, when I was born

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<v Speaker 2>or a couple of years old. I don't remember this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've been told this countless times. My brother didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like my name. He tried calling me Frank for a year.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted me to be he wanted to be called

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted me to be called Frank.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so picked me from eating.

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<v Speaker 2>I know my brother's name is Eating, so it's eating

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<v Speaker 2>a naughty.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we've got a mother named Brenda.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and father Michael, Yes, yes, yes, And I'll hop

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<v Speaker 2>skip and a jump and I'll say we'll go to

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<v Speaker 2>about five or six.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's where that's where I start to remember. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's quite young. Still, that's good like.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I I had a really really good childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing really like stands out as bad, to be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>And my parents are very much into the environment, so

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember I have a lot of cool memories

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<v Speaker 2>going bushwalking, going to the beach, and always just loving

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<v Speaker 2>the environment, and that sticked with me. But the next

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<v Speaker 2>bit's probably going to be like not yet, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a lot of soccer chat because literally that

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<v Speaker 2>was my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>How were you when you started playing soccer? So I

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<v Speaker 1>started playing soccer when I was six six years old?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I were you when there was like when

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<v Speaker 3>you maybe started to realize, but then also like your

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<v Speaker 3>parents and maybe coaches and stuff started to realize like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>he's actually quite good at this.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started playing soccer for a team called the

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<v Speaker 2>Cucumber rous Let's Go. And dad actually held me back

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<v Speaker 2>a year from playing because my dad's background is in union.

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<v Speaker 2>He played for Eastwood Boys in like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he made for a first grade

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, but he didn't want me to play footy

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<v Speaker 2>because of like the effects a hat on him and

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<v Speaker 2>like he was a winger, so he was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like away from it, but he knew how much like

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<v Speaker 2>fucking impact and it is on boys and like the

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<v Speaker 2>environment and shit, and he goes, you can play soccer, audy,

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<v Speaker 2>and he helped me back because, funnily enough, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>this is a core memory. He wanted me to like

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<v Speaker 2>understand like movement of a ball and like catching and

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<v Speaker 2>have like the skills to like kick a ball, catch

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<v Speaker 2>a ball and like understand where it's going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was quite good at footy, and I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>like core memories. He would always give me grubber kicks

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<v Speaker 2>of a footy ball and it'd say, when you can

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<v Speaker 2>like get a grubber kick every time, you can go

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<v Speaker 2>play soccer because like it's hard to distinguish where the

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<v Speaker 2>ball's going.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I remember as a.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid like I could never fucking get it. I'm like, Dad,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a number one.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, here you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like so frustrated because it just bounces

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<v Speaker 2>and it hits you in the face. It bounces and

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<v Speaker 2>it goes three meters high. And then like I'm fucking

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<v Speaker 2>six years old at this point too, ye yea yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yea yea yeah, what's the bet? It's only like

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<v Speaker 3>ten meters away from you too.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But at six, I started to get like good at

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<v Speaker 2>like catching and kicking, and Dad's like, oh, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>can go play soccer now, because I think he just

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<v Speaker 2>also didn't want me to just like put me in

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<v Speaker 2>the hands of someone else and go like here you go.

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<v Speaker 2>You like wanted me to have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah yeah, fair background behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm also grateful too because I remember my.

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<v Speaker 2>Mum was very hands on and like teaching me coordination skills,

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<v Speaker 2>like from a young age. My mum was always really

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<v Speaker 2>good at like throwing catching. My mum's a bit of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a tomboy, like to a tea and like loves

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's her sport? She she did everything. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>she played hockey. Fuck that's deadly. I think that was

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<v Speaker 1>her sport. But she was also a really good runner.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really know know it, but but so six

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<v Speaker 2>I started playing for the king Koma Rus And you asked, like,

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<v Speaker 2>when did they know I was good? I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 2>I was like good, like better than a lot of kids,

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<v Speaker 2>just as soon as I started.

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<v Speaker 1>So it just clicks. But for some kids it clicks

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<v Speaker 1>like they have a vision. Yeah, and Dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Likes to claim like it was because of him and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like teaching me that and they hold me back

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<v Speaker 2>a year.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you what could it helped?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, So six through to eleven I played for

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<v Speaker 2>the kingcumber Rus and then in the background, I went

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<v Speaker 2>to a public school called Kincomber Public School, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like ten minutes away from McMaster's Beach where I grew up,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also like a small coastal town on the

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<v Speaker 2>East coast of Australia. So basically I love soccer just

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<v Speaker 2>from the start, made a lot of friends throughout that

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<v Speaker 2>time as well, and then hop skipping a jump, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>now eleven, okay, And we had a very good soccer

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<v Speaker 2>team at kin Komba. We won a lot of awards

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<v Speaker 2>and I think we went on like the longest undefeated

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<v Speaker 2>streak ever as like a team. It was like something

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<v Speaker 2>from Crazy, like seventy games or some shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I love seventy Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we didn't lose for like two or three years

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I was on one of those teams growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>I just never was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And what happened with that was so like the

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<v Speaker 2>representative team around here was the Central Coast Mariners.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I so you had to go trial for

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<v Speaker 2>a REP team. I think it was called CenTra Coast

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<v Speaker 2>Lightning when I first went there, and all the everyone

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<v Speaker 2>who thinks they're good enough goes trial, and eleven's the

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<v Speaker 2>first year you can get in, and it goes all

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<v Speaker 2>the way up to eleven suitor eighteen twenties first grade

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<v Speaker 2>and then the A League team.

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<v Speaker 1>So the A League is our top, our, top league

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<v Speaker 1>for soccer. Yeah, yeah yeah, And it's like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what are we going to do? This is this is

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be a soccer player.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what I thought to be fair like, you

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<v Speaker 3>would have experienced so much what's the words I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>of here? So like throughout the earliest of you playing

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<v Speaker 3>soccer and then when you were on that team that

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<v Speaker 3>had that massive winning streak, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you would have experienced so much.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the right word I'm looking for here, Like companionship, belonging,

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<v Speaker 3>like a like soccer became the thing that was like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what brings me joy. Being good at this

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<v Speaker 3>brings me joy, like obviously in high watching.

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<v Speaker 2>In hindsight too, I think it brought me value.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, this is what brought you vow, this

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<v Speaker 3>is what made it so people valued you.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously you.

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<v Speaker 3>Being good at this and going and pursuing this is

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<v Speaker 3>what's going to keep like I don't know, subconsciously, like

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<v Speaker 3>my parents proud, my friend's proud, my friends actually want

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<v Speaker 3>to be friends.

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<v Speaker 1>With me, like all that type of shit. It's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, so, I you had to go through

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<v Speaker 2>this whole trial process, and I remember being like an

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<v Speaker 2>eleven year old kid, and I'm thinking, this is extensive.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fucking They have to they have to like

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<v Speaker 2>start cutting kids and stuff, and like eleven kids cry

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hell, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I made it. I made it through. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I was playing like right back at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And then two or three others from my team made it,

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<v Speaker 2>which is really rare from like all of the Central

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<v Speaker 2>Coast trials for this, even kids from Sydney come to

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<v Speaker 2>it as well. And then three from kingcumber Rus made it,

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<v Speaker 2>which was like unheard of, like three. So I had

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<v Speaker 2>two mates as well, you know Sam Webb. Yep, he

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<v Speaker 2>was one Sam Webb, and there was another guy as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been mates. I've been mates with him since forever. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, so I make that rep team from eleven and

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<v Speaker 2>at that time still love and soccer, hop skip and

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<v Speaker 2>a jump. Let's go to like fifteen or sixteen. Each

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<v Speaker 2>year or year they either you get retained or you

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<v Speaker 2>have to retrial, which basically means if you have to retrial,

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably not going to make it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just want to see if you want it enough. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And every year I got retained except for I think,

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<v Speaker 1>oh here we go, let's go. I think fifteen's going

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<v Speaker 1>into sixteens.

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<v Speaker 2>I always I was always a good athlete, So I

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<v Speaker 2>was like really really fast, good defender and like great insurance,

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<v Speaker 2>but like technically on the ball, I was quite average.

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<v Speaker 2>So that year I just scraped my way through. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember like having a conversation with like only just made.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like the second last or last player to

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<v Speaker 2>like not get cut.

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<v Speaker 1>What'd that feel like?

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<v Speaker 2>Felt pretty bad because that, like soccer was my whole identity.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like I don't know like what I do

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<v Speaker 2>it because like what playing for the Marino means instead

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<v Speaker 2>of like playing against kids who grew up on the

0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.919
<v Speaker 2>Central Coast diverse like everyone in Sydney, like pretty much

0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.760
<v Speaker 2>everyone in New South Wales is good plays in this league.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think Dad probably had this idea.

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<v Speaker 2>But so, like I said, I wasn't good on the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was pretty good elsewhere. So I started taking

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<v Speaker 2>up football, which is like kind of like how do

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<v Speaker 2>I explain football indoor soccer but with skill, So like

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<v Speaker 2>it's to work on your ball skill. You play off

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<v Speaker 2>a little ball that's weighed so it's really quick and

0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.520
<v Speaker 2>she fast paced, works on your touch, lots of goals,

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<v Speaker 2>not as much running around and it's all about like

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<v Speaker 2>ball skill, which was like a great play from my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels his idea, and I started to fall in

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<v Speaker 2>love with football, so hell yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that next.

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<v Speaker 2>Year, like that all added together and I started to

0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.680
<v Speaker 2>become like actually a really good soccer player.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the missing piece to me becoming a good footballer.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that year half of our team combined with

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<v Speaker 2>another team and we went to a it was called

0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.679
<v Speaker 2>the Sobroto Cup. We went to India to play soccer

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<v Speaker 2>in a competition which.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember this, Yeah we really knew each other at

0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:10.199
<v Speaker 3>this point. Yeah, we didn't do good at all in

0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:11.520
<v Speaker 3>the competition, but it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Nonetheless, went to India it was fucking I remember as

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<v Speaker 2>hot as fun. Yeah, it was heaps of fun. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, well you went with, we went with.

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<v Speaker 2>It was half of our team in half of the

0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.480
<v Speaker 2>older age as well, so the best players.

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<v Speaker 1>And then another were you not representing the country?

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<v Speaker 2>No, this was the Mariners so and then also in

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<v Speaker 2>the background, I think it was the next year I

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<v Speaker 2>represented Australia in futsbal. Oh okay, but that was looking

0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:35.560
<v Speaker 2>back in hines.

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<v Speaker 1>That was in Greece.

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<v Speaker 2>In hindsight, it was kind of like a money grab

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<v Speaker 2>for the footsball association to make money because you had

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then also like.

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<v Speaker 2>It was also like a cool experience because you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>play other countries. We versed all the Greek footsball teams,

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<v Speaker 2>which also were way better than Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah wait, okay, so wait this was like did you

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<v Speaker 3>have to try out for that?

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<v Speaker 2>We went to nationals I played for like Northern New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales and then they we came. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>lost in the grand final, like Queensland or something. It's

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<v Speaker 2>basically like fucking state of origin for footsball. But you

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<v Speaker 2>have every single state with like different branches in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they picked the best players from the competition

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<v Speaker 2>to go on this tournament, which is really really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we had a really good team as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically soccers my life, playing futsal in the background. I

0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.280
<v Speaker 2>went to King Gumba High School. Was ever really like

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<v Speaker 2>that smart, but I always applied myself. I was really

0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.359
<v Speaker 2>good at I was good at maths. It wasn't like

0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:38.040
<v Speaker 2>a big fan of school. I was good at maths,

0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.679
<v Speaker 2>and like, I tried hard, but I definitely had like

0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I've got something.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrible at English, terrible at spelling. Always have been, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>always will be. Guys, I wish everybody. I wish the

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<v Speaker 1>baddies were here behind the scenes when he was reading

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<v Speaker 1>a dilemma.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, reading, I do think I've got a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of like undiagnosed dyslexia when it comes to reading.

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<v Speaker 1>I look, there's every chance in the world that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I've always got away with it too, because

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<v Speaker 2>like I remember in school, so like I tried hard,

0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.359
<v Speaker 2>but I was that kid who if a teacher asked

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.160
<v Speaker 2>me to read something like, oh, I knew it was happening.

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:19.439
<v Speaker 2>I was reading like three lines ahead and like getting

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<v Speaker 2>sweaty palms so I could read out loud and not

0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:22.920
<v Speaker 2>stuff it up because I was so nervous to stuff

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<v Speaker 2>it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and my parents will always used to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even try.

0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm fucking like trying, and like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think it's possible to learn this shit.

0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I remember like like you start doing essays and like

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<v Speaker 2>submitting assignments, and I think, what was it called on

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<v Speaker 2>a computer when you can spell check? Spell check like

0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.320
<v Speaker 2>just came out or something. I fucking abused that thing.

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:45.639
<v Speaker 2>And Dad's like did you even read this? And I

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.479
<v Speaker 2>would like spell check different words and just click like

0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.800
<v Speaker 2>one of them thinking it made sense, and they're like

0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:53.200
<v Speaker 2>thinking it was the one I spelled and that like

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<v Speaker 2>Dad would read. It's like, did you even read this?

0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, yeah, He's like that, what's this word meaning?

0:22:58.000 --> 0:22:59.439
<v Speaker 2>I was like, and I said a different word, and

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I was like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, you don't even.

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<v Speaker 2>Try it, and I was like, well, I actually clearly

0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:07.320
<v Speaker 2>I am trying. But the thing that I was thinking

0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:09.399
<v Speaker 2>about it the other day so behind the scenes, like

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.720
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I'm average at best, but sometimes I really struggle

0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to read.

0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and normally I edit it out.

0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.480
<v Speaker 2>But I was thinking the other day, so we've been

0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 2>on the pod for four years, we've been doing dilemmas

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:21.760
<v Speaker 2>for how to Know three years, and I was like.

0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Realistically, I haven't got any better.

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.000
<v Speaker 3>No, I would say, no, yeah, I agree, And I

0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:28.560
<v Speaker 3>was like to like not to be me.

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like, but surely if.

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I actually didn't have something like not in quotes wrong

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:35.200
<v Speaker 2>with me, I would get better.

0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.200
<v Speaker 3>I guess genuinely though, Like if you're if we think

0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 3>about it properly, it's like, you know, you'd think it's

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 3>hours of experience.

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:45.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.

0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:47.560
<v Speaker 2>I was just like, I was like, there's got to

0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 2>be like something or if you're like something just doesn't

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:50.520
<v Speaker 2>click my brain when I read.

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 1>But sometimes it's it's weird.

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I can kind of get fluent, but then I

0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:55.680
<v Speaker 2>get in my head too much and I'm thinking about

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 2>the word, the word after the word that I'm reading,

0:23:58.080 --> 0:23:59.400
<v Speaker 2>and then that wigs my brain.

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 3>Out something funny that I've noticed. I think, I know

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:09.160
<v Speaker 3>when you're doing that, Yeah, because how do I even

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 3>explain like I assume you probably know when you're.

0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Doing it right, yes, And I can't break out of it. Though.

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes when you're reading this must be so you're reading ahead,

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.880
<v Speaker 3>but then your words are saying a couple of words behind.

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 1>You. It sounds like you've breathed out too much.

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it sounds like you've breathed out too much, and

0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 3>you're you're quiet.

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.439
<v Speaker 1>Down a lot, like you get a lot softer.

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I feel like and what's happening is like

0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 3>I feel like you're there's a rhythm going and in

0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:43.440
<v Speaker 3>your head, I reckon, you're thinking, I've got to hold

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:44.240
<v Speaker 3>onto this rhythm.

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>I've noticed sometimes.

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 2>I do I do, I do, I like, don't breathe

0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 2>and then like my words must get quieter too. I

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't know that, but so that I always struggled in

0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 2>the background with that. But also I got away with

0:24:56.320 --> 0:25:02.199
<v Speaker 2>it too because like I understood everything yep. So like

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:05.919
<v Speaker 2>even if I couldn't read a word or I didn't

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.640
<v Speaker 2>fully like be able to understand the sentence or write

0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 2>it out, I always knew what was going on.

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 2>So like I was good at mass, I was good

0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 2>at science, I was good at anything that didn't have

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.479
<v Speaker 2>like words in it the matter basically okay, now here,

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 2>but that.

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Was going on.

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Like I tried in school, but like I was ever

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:26.159
<v Speaker 2>the smartest kid, So like sixteen, I just made that

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 2>soccer team, and then I actually started to become pretty

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 2>good and I started to get like pushed to.

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 1>The older ages.

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 2>So I was sixteen playning the sixteens, and I was

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 2>also playing the eighteens as well against kids who were

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 2>like bigger than me, and like that was developing my

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 2>skills a lot. And then I got asked whilst I

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 2>was in year eleven and twelve to start training with

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 2>the eighteen twenties in first grade, which meant training in

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 2>the morning when I was meant to be going to school,

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 2>and training was forty five minutes away from school, so

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 2>I remember I forgot it with the traffic and shit

0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.439
<v Speaker 2>damn yeah, yeah, so I missed a lot of like

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 2>year eleven and twelve, like I think you were meant

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.639
<v Speaker 2>to train three days a week. But in the background,

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 2>like I also knew I was kind of always a realist,

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 2>and I saw my parents in like a sense of

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 2>like how realistic is that the year to make a

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 2>career soccer.

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>And you're losing your education.

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I trained, I missed like two more and

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:16.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll get to school with like lunchtime.

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 1>And then I loved it.

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.439
<v Speaker 2>But because like I missed like three periods and then

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I had like two periods and they went home.

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:23.120
<v Speaker 1>That's actually hectica.

0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:26.520
<v Speaker 3>It's funny, like, wonder did your parents when you got

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 3>offered that? Yeah, was there ever a moment where they

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 3>were like, no, no, no, you can't miss school?

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Mom kind of, but Dad was kind of like, oh,

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I think we met in the middle because I was

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>meant to be training three days a week and like

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>you can go to two, and so your dad was a.

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Bit more keen on the whole idea of it. Dad.

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Dad, Dad was the most like supportive father ever, especially

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>for like sport or even just in anything. But he

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 2>had a passion for it. He loved I think he

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 2>like like going to it with.

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Me, okay, fair, he like hanging out with you and shit.

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Like I remember as a kid too, just being like

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 2>being this classic brat, being like fifteen sixty in this

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 2>age and like my parents were driving to Sydney every

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:04.919
<v Speaker 2>fucking weekend and then I would be a brat and

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 2>not talk to him and listen to music because I

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 2>had to get in the zone. That is, if if

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>you could change one thing, would you prefer to go

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:13.440
<v Speaker 2>back and.

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Just sit there and chat?

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one hundred percent and like and then I remember too,

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 2>if I had like a bad game, I wouldn't even

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 2>like talk on the way home. I like, wouldn't even

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 2>listen to anything. I was like, but you want to

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:23.679
<v Speaker 2>talk about the game? I was like no, Like I

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:25.920
<v Speaker 2>was just like, fuck off, flash that shit.

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>That's like it's kind of funny. I think, like.

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if is that something that's like

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.679
<v Speaker 3>so normal to go through or like, would you have

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 3>preferred your dad to be like maybe a little bit more,

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 3>nobody put the fucking phone down, We're gonna talk about it.

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna just tell me how why this game has

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:53.199
<v Speaker 3>made you feel so shit for five minutes. Then you

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 3>can go to sulk like that would have Like if

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 3>you think about it, would you think like I would

0:27:58.359 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 3>have preferred if dad did that?

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Or do you not? Do you just think like, yeah, look,

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I think it is what it is.

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't know because also I don't think

0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>that would that wouldn't have worked for me? Right, Like

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like going up against me and I'll

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>be like, no, you're not fighting this. It also wasn't

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.920
<v Speaker 2>my my parents' parenting style. Yeah, I think that they

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 2>were very much like you'll figure it out yourself. Yeah

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.119
<v Speaker 2>this was wrong, but I do. I don't think I

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 2>ever like I definitely said it when I was older,

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:27.120
<v Speaker 2>and maybe I should even say anymore.

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>How appreciative I should have been of.

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 2>That, Like now that I'm an adult and realizing like

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 2>what a weekend means to someone after working all week

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 2>and like they gave their whole weekend to be Yeah.

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Which I'm very very appreciative of. It's crazy. Can you

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>picture yourself giving your whole like giving your right not

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>right now?

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, that's why that's why I'm like not ready

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 2>for a kid.

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think.

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>If it was, if the kid came out, you'd be like, yeah,

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>like you also got like you got you're eleven years

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 2>to prepare, prepare for that.

0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 3>But so your dad was always sup supportive, never made you.

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 3>Was he did if you had a bad game? Was

0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 3>he like that was a shit game?

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Or was he always kind of.

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, nah nah nah, he didn't care at all.

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 2>And also like my playing style was like mister consistent. Okay,

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 2>I never did something like crazy, but I was also

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 2>always really I played center back because I was tall

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>and right back and I was a really good defender,

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 2>and I like everyone could always rely on me. That's

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 2>like what I that's like what I was there and

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>the team for Yeah. And then so at this age

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 2>year eleven and twelve, I'm playing an age up in

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 2>soccer here or thereabouts, and like I kind of like

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 2>it was just in a little bit in the back

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>of my brain. It hadn't landed there yet. But like

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm seven eight now going into year eleven

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 2>or like halfway through eleven, I'm like this. The thing

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 2>about soccer was like it kind of forces you into

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the system to be, in quotes a man and kind

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 2>of like fake it to you make it. And like

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't realized that at the time, but it basically

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 2>forced you to be a cog in the system. There's

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of politics who you know, not how good

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 2>you are gets you you up and above other players,

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 2>And I never really liked that, and like we didn't

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 2>know anyone in the club. It was all just purely off,

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Like my ability and then I'm missing school and then

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm also going to plan soccer. I'm juggling a lot

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 2>of things. I'm like seventeen, don't have a Scooby Doo,

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 2>what's going on with life?

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>And then same thing happens. In year twelve, I decided

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 2>to do my ETA HC. I like major is that

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>what it's called? Kind of remembering like PDHP, Graphics and business.

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>There are three things I picked really loved. Business did

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>really good in that I got like second in the year.

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I got like ninety in it or something. Maths i'd

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 2>actually ended up doing average as I was in advanced Maths.

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 2>And then I right before the testing, I dropped down

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 2>to like normal masks. I was struggling so much. And

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 2>then graphics I topped the year and I got some

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 2>award for that too.

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Top to the year in graphics. Well that's why I

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>ended up doing architecture and university. Ah okay, okay.

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Because me and one friend you'll know it is Austin

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 2>mcaf under graphics. We did we both did really good actually,

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 2>but it's also like it's I think it's it's similar.

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 2>You would note it's similar to would work like it's

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of easy to be good at it.

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have to do is apply yourself.

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, like that's literally, yeah you literally you

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 2>just have to apply yourself.

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>And I like designing on a computer, which I think

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 2>paid dividends for, like editing the podcast in a sense.

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah here.

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>So I'll actually go And I was dating the skill

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 2>captain at the time, which she made me apply myself

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 2>because she was like she was trying really hard, Like

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I'll give her credit for that. I don't think I

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>would have applied myself as much if I wasn't dating her.

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 3>Part of it was like almost wanting to keep her

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 3>on your good side.

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that was away like like I try

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 2>really hard in everything I do. That's always been what

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I've done. And I think like she was trying, so

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm like I need to impress that I want to

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>try hard to.

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah fair, fair, fair, So I'll

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of sent you re credit for that. And basically

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 1>finished school.

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>I got like a seventy and a half etar good.

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 2>And then at this point I drunk, like I was

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>a really late bloomer, Like you can tell I had

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 2>like no sort of like social life in a sense

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 2>of like hanging out with friends. Like I didn't start

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 2>drinking at sixteen. I had my first drink on like

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 2>New Year's twenty seventeen. I think maybe okay, okay, And

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>then so was it twenty surnay or twenty eighty.

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember.

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 2>It's a bit of a blur. But in the background,

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm playing eighteen soccer. And then I'm also as I

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>turn eight eight and I'm being pushed to twenties. And

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 2>then I also come to the major debate of like

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 2>what do I do after school? Yeah, and my parents

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 2>weren't pushing me at all by any means. And then

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 2>like my brother hadn't gone to UNI at that point,

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I don't really know what to do,

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and I just started I remember like just looking up

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 2>on I can't of remember cause you look up all

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the different courses, and I was looking up between because

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I did well in graphics. I was just clicked like

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm good at design, so I'm like I could do

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 2>architecture or building construction management.

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Yep. And you can put it.

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 2>You can apply to universities and pick like certain things,

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>and if you don't get the top one, you do

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 2>the second one.

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah blah blah.

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I got into Newcastle University for architecture, which

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 2>is actually pretty good. I think the requirements were like

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 2>eighty something because my graphic results were good. It got

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 2>me in because of off like prior learning.

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 2>And then I so eighteen, say we're going into nineteen.

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>It's this kind of age is one massive blur.

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>For me, right, A lot of development going on, a

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of development, and in the background playing soccer. I

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>was playing. I was playing eighteens and then being.

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 2>On the bench for twenties as well, and then I

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 2>got asked to train with twenties. Eighteens went back to

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 2>afternoon sessions because a lot of the kids, like me,

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Everyone's like, we can't ask kids who are in school

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 2>to train in the morning. That doesn't make any sense, yep.

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that a lot of parents had a lot

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>of rebuttles, so they put eighteens in the afternoon and

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 2>then twenties in the morning. But I was driving to

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Newcastle for three or four times a week to fucking

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 2>go to university, so I couldn't train with the twenties. Okay,

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>So I was playing eighteens and twenties, but I was

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 2>only training of the eighteens and I ended up being

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 2>staying in the eighteens because I couldn't develop and go

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>to the twenties if that makes sense.

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 2>And then I just started to fucking hate my life

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 2>a yeah, right, and like I was because I was

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 2>going to Union, and then I was thinking, like fuck,

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I was like I don't like this. I was like

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 2>half the time half my lafe driving to Newcastle an

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:18.800
<v Speaker 2>hour and a half each way, yep.

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:20.319
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like this isn't what I want to do.

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 2>And then I'm after the session I'm training with add

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 2>anyear old, who I was like arguably better than a

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of them, yep. And then I was like I

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 2>can't develop because I'm stuck trying to also not commit

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 2>fully to something that's probably not likely going to happen.

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>So what was keeping you at soccer? Just I was

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 1>good at it and that's all I've ever known.

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 3>And in the back that was there, like so you

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 3>thought yourself, I'm not gonna go pro.

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>But was there still a thing of like I could?

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I think I always knew, like those ball skills always

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>caught up to me and like I was never like

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 2>that good, but I was good, So it was hard.

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>And then like there was a lot of like like

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I said, politics there that was like kind of steering

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.879
<v Speaker 2>me not to develop and go further because I didn't

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 2>know anyone in a sense. And also, like I said,

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 2>my ball skills weren't there. And then I remember it

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 2>came to a point so I was like eighteen or nineteen.

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 2>It's a blur. Some of the numbers might be wrong.

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 2>You had to if you didn't train, they wouldn't start,

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and we trained three times a week.

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I would go.

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 2>I started to going on the training once a week,

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:20.680
<v Speaker 2>and I just made excuses for the other times I'm

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 2>at UNI or I can't make it or whatever, so

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 2>I can still start because I'm like, if I'm driving

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 2>a Sydney, I'm as, we'll fucking start.

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't want to be on the bench, yeahs

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>will start.

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>And then it's just like all this just sort of

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 2>clicked to me in a sense, and I was like fuck,

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I was just like I'd had enough. I don't remember

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 2>it all if I talked to my parents about it,

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 2>or if I just did it and I just fucking

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 2>quit both of them.

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.120
<v Speaker 1>May you quit both architecture and soccer?

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just quick everything, I like knew, I just quit.

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I was this, I just like had.

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 3>Enough where you're just like both of these things are

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 3>bringing me so much fucking stress.

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, legit its like eighteen turning nineteen. I think that's

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 2>how old I was, maybe twenty, I can't remember. I

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:05.840
<v Speaker 2>think it was eighteen twenty nineteen or nineteen twenty twenty whatever.

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 2>And I was just like, fuck, I was just and

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I remember talking to like, did you still have your

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend at this point? Sort of sort of not and

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 2>off it would have been we broke up, like I

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 2>think maybe just we would have like just broken up

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 2>after this maybe okay, that same girlfriend as a school captain.

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.760
<v Speaker 2>And then I remember talking to like the technical director

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 2>about it, and I was just like I was just

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.359
<v Speaker 2>saying all my concern I was just like, I don't

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I just actually don't love it anymore, Like the love

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 2>for the sports has been like fucking taken away from me.

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I just don't want to be I

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, I honestly I think I said to him,

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I just don't want to be here,

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:46.840
<v Speaker 2>and he's like fair enough, fair enough, and then he

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 2>ended up like leaving and then they called me back

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 2>a couple months later asking if I wanted to come back,

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 2>and at that point I was like fuck, I was like,

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I haven't been this like happy and forever. I was like,

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I was like, I don't want to

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 2>come back. It was because going through, like in quotes

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>the professional sports upbringing, there's so much pressure on you

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.320
<v Speaker 2>week on week to perform. It's put on by yourself,

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>it's put on by coaches, and it's just like that

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 2>pressure was gone and that kind of like I had

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.319
<v Speaker 2>such a structured life for eleven through nineteen that I

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 2>was just like, nah, I just need to be free

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 2>for a bit, and like it was grateful that my

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 2>parents were very supportive and like and didn't.

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Pushed me to do anything.

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:26.720
<v Speaker 2>So basically I just like fucking cold Turkey and everything

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.439
<v Speaker 2>and didn't know what to do after you cold Turkey

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:29.800
<v Speaker 2>and everything?

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:35.879
<v Speaker 1>What was well? What did you feel like? I did?

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I felt lost?

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I remember so I tried going to UNI, like I

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 2>think every single O one of our friends was doing

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 2>a trade, and I remember them giving me shit for

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 2>l like because they worked seven to three or seven to four,

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's when snapchat was still a massive thing.

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 1>I felt guilty for not going to work.

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 2>What I ended up doing was I instead of going

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>to training going to union, I started going to the

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:57.440
<v Speaker 2>gym every day.

0:37:57.760 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like that made me feel accomplished.

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.240
<v Speaker 1>But I remember fucking feeling guilty, like I'm not working,

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 1>like I should be working.

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I should be working a lot of these boys, yeah, yeah,

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 2>And I juggled that for years, hey, like not doing like.

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.879
<v Speaker 1>Probably jealous that you fucking had a bit of control.

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was lucky that I never really cared about

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 2>money or I never had any pressure for my parents. Like,

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 2>and I tried laboring. I've talked about a fur bit

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 2>on the pod. Fucking hated that that was with a

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 2>couple of mates. I remember thinking like I was working

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 2>with mates, and I liked a bit of demo, like

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 2>fucking knocking down houses, Like this is kind of fun.

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 1>I could see myself.

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Doing this, smash it up, yeah, smashing shit. And then

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 2>we started like getting on the tools a little bit,

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:37.240
<v Speaker 2>like just simple shit like jackhammering and like moving screws

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. And I remember like driving home one day

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.280
<v Speaker 2>after being on a jackhammer and I'm like my arms

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 2>and like I felt like my bones were shaking.

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah.

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 2>At this point, I'd been laboring for like three months,

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I was like, this also can't be

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 2>what life's about. I'm like, I can't, like, I can't

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 2>be fucking doing this. Yeah, and then I and then

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>I told the boss. I was like, hey, mate, I

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>was like, he offered me a carpentry apprenticeship. That's where

0:38:58.120 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the conversation said. I was like, I don't want it,

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 2>and I'm I'm actually gonna leave. I'll give you like

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 2>a week or two left in care. But it was

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 2>really nice this. So I'm going down all these avenues

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:07.919
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I don't fucking know what i want

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 2>to do. Way, yeah, I mean I think this is

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 2>when like dad had always had, like my dad's a

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:17.279
<v Speaker 2>horticultures taught it at TAFE, which is like plants and landscaping.

0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:22.320
<v Speaker 2>He had in the background a little business. It's about

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 2>garden maintenance and regenerating gardens to be native.

0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>And look after themselves.

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 2>And that's what he specialized in and he started I've

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 2>always worked with him, like moving soil and doing this

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.000
<v Speaker 2>in that moo and law ones. But when he does yeah, yeah,

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:36.360
<v Speaker 2>throwing me a bit of work and said do you

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>want to do this? And I was like yeah, And

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:40.240
<v Speaker 2>this is like the first thing I actually, like, semi

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:42.320
<v Speaker 2>actually enjoyed. And I think it's also because it was

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 2>the first time granted that he's my dad, but it

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:48.400
<v Speaker 2>was the first adult who like, ah, treated me with

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 2>respect yep, and treated me as an equal, whereas like

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:55.919
<v Speaker 2>all through soccer it was a hierarchy coaches play best

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 2>players for the best goes down, goes down the barrow

0:39:58.280 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to the bottom of the line, and then saying we

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 2>uni teachers if you're smart and you make it through.

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Same with school. That makes sense even with like the

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 2>first couple jobs. I also worked in the background. I

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:08.960
<v Speaker 2>think got to mention as an usher at a Marina's game,

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:10.800
<v Speaker 2>but I fucking stopped that too because I haded soccer

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 2>and then I did all that and gardening was the

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:17.800
<v Speaker 2>first thing I saw. It was like started to like

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:19.439
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but also I knew, like this can't.

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it was good because I was making decent coin,

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>but then I was also like, ah, there's more to

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:25.479
<v Speaker 2>life than this as well. Yeah, so I just feel

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 2>like a year or two. I just started gardening and

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 2>gun at the gym and falling in love with the gym.

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 2>And I tried going back to UNI within all that,

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, no, I lasted even less than

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 2>the last time. Tried a couple different courses, tried one online.

0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, nah, this isn't for me. I just didn't

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 2>make any sort of sense. And then so we're at

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 2>about let's say, twenty, Yeah, okay, twenty. So when did

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 2>we go on our trip?

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Held? Were we twenty one? Yeah? Twenty one? Yeah? Yeah,

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:52.760
<v Speaker 1>this is about right. No, this is perfect.

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:55.439
<v Speaker 2>So I was gardening a lot, and I've talked about

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 2>on the pod before I'll get to it.

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm almost done. Is this good? Still? That's great?

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.799
<v Speaker 2>So I'm twenty gardening a lot, not playing soccer. I also,

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 2>I forgot to mention, I tried playing for other teams,

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:08.839
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, nah, I don't love this at all.

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:09.799
<v Speaker 1>Like I hate this.

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:11.359
<v Speaker 2>I didn't train at all and just walked and rocked

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>up to games.

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>There's one.

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why this was such a big fundamental

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 2>thing for me, but I'm so grateful this happened to me.

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:21.560
<v Speaker 2>So I was working with data Fairbit. I was also

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 2>doing a few of my own jobs, which was teaching

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:26.839
<v Speaker 2>me to like talk to people in real life, which

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 2>as a guy, I was really really shy and awkward

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 2>and didn't have many talking.

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:35.399
<v Speaker 1>Skills, and but I thought a lot. That was weird.

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 1>That was a weird thing about me.

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't talk, but I thought a lot, which sounds

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 2>weird to say, because I'm sure everyone thinks, but like,

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just thought so much but never spoke.

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I did.

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 2>So I was gardening and Dad ended up getting this

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:49.440
<v Speaker 2>client which was like fifteen minutes away. She was a

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 2>lovely she was probably seventy nine or eighty when we

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:56.319
<v Speaker 2>first went there, and we did one big job for her.

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 2>It was like pruning a tree that had fallen over

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 2>a PowerPoint power pole and after.

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:04.760
<v Speaker 1>It, she's like, oh, I need a full time gardener.

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 2>And Dad's like Dad specializes in like big stuff, and

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 2>like he's kind of expensive because he's qualified. And he's like, oh,

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 2>but I've got my son over there. He's twenty, he's

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>pretty green. He like he knows what's a weed and

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 2>what's not. He can come and work for like thirty

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:18.279
<v Speaker 2>bucks an hour for ye, and she also didn't have

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 2>that much money.

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 1>So this is like the start of like.

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Me sort of doing my own entrepreneurial gardening stuff.

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 2>And also like so I ended up I started fortnightly

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I would go to her name was Francis, loveliest old

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 2>lady in the world, going to this lady's house and

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>gardening once a fortnight for two hours each time for

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 2>thirty dollars an hour. And we ended up just like talking,

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 2>which was really really nice and like I didn't know

0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 2>how to talk prior to her. Yeah, and like I

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:46.720
<v Speaker 2>used to be really nervous going there when I started

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. And then we formed a really nice relationship

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 2>and she was teaching a lot, and that was going

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 2>on for like a year or so. And it also

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:58.280
<v Speaker 2>I also found out too that like she had lost

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 2>her son at about my age. I don't know how

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>old she would have been. There was photos in her

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.560
<v Speaker 2>house all around it, and I think Dad told me

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 2>and she never told me about it, but it came

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 2>came out later down the track years and years along.

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 2>So I think we both like kind of like in

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 2>a sense not needed and it isn't the right word

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>but it was good that we came into each other's lives.

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.359
<v Speaker 1>You complimented. We had so much to offer each other.

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:28.239
<v Speaker 2>And I ended up gardening there like once a week

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 2>for like fucking years, and we just like chatted and

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 2>chatted for ages. It was the coolest relationship ever. And

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 2>then in the background, this is when Jake and I

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>go on our trip to up the East Coast of Australia.

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 1>You've heard about that.

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.400
<v Speaker 2>That's how the podcast, like the foundations of the podcast started.

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 2>We come back from doing that, our relationships amazing. And

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 2>that's planning to seed. In my head, I've learned sort

0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 2>of like these skills from talking to this lady and

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 2>you and like I know my thoughts and like how

0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I feel mean something. Yeah, and then like planning to

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:01.919
<v Speaker 2>seed just the podcast and like in the background, didn't

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 2>know what to do. I don't want to be a gardener,

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 2>but it's good for now. Yeah, And then like the

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 2>I come back and I keep gardening. Her name was Francis,

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 2>like I said, and doing all that, and that's when

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 2>we started the podcast, and basically reckon from here.

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of where everyone knows.

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 3>I would say, yeah, like basically from that point, we

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 3>just started recording the podcast every week, you gardened. I

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 3>did my job until we just like we had we

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 3>the podcast wasn't doing well. And then before we even like,

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 3>we just like planned a trip to Bali.

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah.

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 3>And then a month a month before we go to Bali,

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.360
<v Speaker 3>just like every clip we post starts blowing up and

0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:02.799
<v Speaker 3>we're like, we're like, shit, this could be something. We're

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 3>about to go to Bailey for six weeks. We need

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 3>to like figure out how to record over there. We

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 3>brought gear with us, and I remember having a conversation

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.439
<v Speaker 3>prior being like, what if we just like go over

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 3>there and.

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>It's just for some reason it all goes away?

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, I remember we were scared of but I

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.319
<v Speaker 2>remember we were just scared that. We were like, you know,

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 2>what if it just all goes away?

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 3>But then what we ended up doing was sorry to

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:30.359
<v Speaker 3>take over your fucking life story.

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Give me, give me a breather of I feel like

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I've talked a lot.

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.840
<v Speaker 3>We went to Bali right the podcast was like starting

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 3>to blow up on social media, and we were like,

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 3>quock COOKOK, we've got to ride this way, right this way,

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:43.239
<v Speaker 3>We're getting some more listeners. And what we did was

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:46.120
<v Speaker 3>we found we thought, Okay, we planned on going to

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:48.480
<v Speaker 3>bil for like a six week holiday to just like

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 3>Laser Round go to the gym, and just like we

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 3>just you know, saved money for it. We're just like,

0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 3>we're just going to do nothing for six weeks because

0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 3>we both hate working.

0:45:58.239 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 3>And the other thing we had in mind was we're

0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 3>also going to treat the like we're going to treat

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.280
<v Speaker 3>the podcast like our full time job for six weeks.

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the mindset was when we come home.

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 3>We're just both going to go back to work and

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 3>then yeah, and then I remember also us thinking in

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:19.400
<v Speaker 3>the back of our heads, like having that six weeks

0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 3>of being in Bali and having the podcast be full time, well,

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 3>when we get home and have to go back to work,

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 3>we were hoping that it would like drive us to.

0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Really make the podcast work.

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 3>And just while we were in Bali, trajectory stayed the same,

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:36.160
<v Speaker 3>and when we got home, neither one of us.

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Went back to work.

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Went to be fair prematurely like we both should have

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.520
<v Speaker 3>gone back to work, but we both just thought fuck it,

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:46.320
<v Speaker 3>Like we we just lived off savings and both of

0:46:46.400 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 3>us did odd jobs here and there and eventually after

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:53.959
<v Speaker 3>like I want to say, excuse me, I want to say,

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 3>maybe like a few months after we started to make

0:46:57.719 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of money slowly and we were like,

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 3>hell yeah, we started to be able pay ourselves like,

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, five hundred bucks a week each.

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:03.320
<v Speaker 1>We were like fucking open.

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Then we from like relatively maybe only six months later,

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 3>we got to the point where we like were comfortable

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 3>enough to start paying ourselves one thousand dollars a week each.

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, we still just pay ourselves a thousand bucks

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 1>a week each, like that's just what we do. It

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 1>just is enough for both of us, Like it's crazy

0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:21.400
<v Speaker 1>looking back at today.

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and yeah, So that's basically I think a lot

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 2>of people. That's from where the podcast starts, So you

0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:30.359
<v Speaker 2>can go back and listen to that. But that's what

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 2>makes up me and I guess the only other thing

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really mention too was like from eighteen I started.

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 2>So what often happens with like in quotes athletes is

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 2>becuz I didn't experience drinking for like two years. So

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:45.480
<v Speaker 2>in Australia, it's so common to start drinking at fifteen

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.000
<v Speaker 2>or sixteen. Yep, I was like behind on that. So

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I kind of like tried to make up for it

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 2>a little bit when I turned nineteen twenty twenty one

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and I quit soccer in that and I also started

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:57.839
<v Speaker 2>partying a fair bit as well. Yeah, and that's also

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 2>like out where our friendship group, Jake was introduced from

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 2>a mutual friend and that's how I met Jake completely,

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 2>and he started hanging out with our group when we

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 2>became mates too in that Yeah, and we were drinking

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:09.760
<v Speaker 2>like most weekends, all of our mates with trade's.

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what I was doing.

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Jake was a trading and then on the

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 2>week Friday Saturday night would go meet down. It was

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 2>called Point Beers near the Surf Club, and we'd all

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 2>go drink and start chatting shit with all our friends.

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:23.759
<v Speaker 2>And that's where I met Jake as well too, not

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.640
<v Speaker 2>met him, but like our friendship.

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 1>We'd known each other since we were fourteen.

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but like started having actual conversations I guess, yeah, yeah,

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 2>through a mutual friend.

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's basically it.

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>It's actually quite interesting talking about yourself for so long

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 2>because so much comes back to you, and then you're

0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:42.319
<v Speaker 2>also like shit, like what do I say? Because there's

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 2>so much to talk about, like this is my life, yeah, like.

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:46.399
<v Speaker 1>You could, you could go for ten hours, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 1>But I think that kind of like makes up me.

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:49.879
<v Speaker 1>I was lost for so long.

0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I was always so quiet, and that's why a podcast

0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 2>for a lot of people, I think was like.

0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:55.480
<v Speaker 1>What the fell audio? Is something to say?

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 2>But in my head, I was like it made so

0:48:57.760 --> 0:48:59.600
<v Speaker 2>much sense because I always thought so much.

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 1>That's fair.

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.000
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and I think there's a lot of takeaways

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:05.160
<v Speaker 2>from that too, that like I had absolutely no idea

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:06.840
<v Speaker 2>what journey I was going on, Like when I was

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.440
<v Speaker 2>at No Name, even though it was a simple thing,

0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:10.560
<v Speaker 2>my life was slipped on its head.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just for me, for me, like a decision that

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<v Speaker 1>flipped it on its head.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and like I needed that and I look

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<v Speaker 2>back at it now and I think it was the

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<v Speaker 2>best decision I ever made.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, And I think I've always had what's it called when? Definitely,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's a good decision of yeah, what's it called?

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<v Speaker 1>When? Is it not? Empathy? Like I know my worth.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always known my worth, and I've been in a

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<v Speaker 2>lucky position where like I can I have freedom to

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<v Speaker 2>make decisions. But if I don't like something or I

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<v Speaker 2>think something's not fair on me, I will happily say

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do this anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>You just advocate for yourself. Yeah, I've always been really

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<v Speaker 1>good at that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know you're worth you advkate for yourself and

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<v Speaker 3>you also.

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<v Speaker 1>Just know what you like and don't like it could be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I feel like it's really hard because a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people I know do a lot of like

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<v Speaker 2>taking away from if you have to do it for money,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I know that's the situation forced on your hand,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you have the decision, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>struggle to make that decision because like they don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's on the other side. Yeah, where for me, I

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<v Speaker 2>would prefer to be on the other side than to

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<v Speaker 2>be unhappy, fair and to and like that came for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason with your personality that came easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to you, that's a very very.

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<v Speaker 3>Logical decision making process, but to some people it's not

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<v Speaker 3>exactly like and that just proves how like everyone's just

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<v Speaker 3>so fucking different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and even too, Like a lot of people, like

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<v Speaker 2>my girlfriend you kind and not really I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you're half, but a lot of like other friends, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I have to experience, have experienced his journey

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<v Speaker 2>and something happened in their life where they like changed

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<v Speaker 2>how they thought and who they were as a person,

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas like, how I've thought, I've always thought like this

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<v Speaker 2>since i was born.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've always had the same mindset. I've always been similar.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what I like and dislike, and I've always

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<v Speaker 2>been like otdie if that makes sense. Yep, I've always

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<v Speaker 2>thought of my own way. I've always had the same outlooks,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've always been like just I've always been me,

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas I feel like a lot of people, like my

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend for example, like she had to go on this

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<v Speaker 2>full journey of like solo travel. She went to the

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<v Speaker 2>army and like did all that. I suppose I did

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<v Speaker 2>it in my own way, but it's but also my

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<v Speaker 2>mindset didn't change. Just what I like changed, but she

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<v Speaker 2>her whole mindset and outlook on life changed. But my

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<v Speaker 2>outlooks always been the same on life if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, fair, No, I like there was no like

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<v Speaker 3>canon event for you where everything changed. They just yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like you just have been who you are since you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like you can remember exactly exactly fair.

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<v Speaker 2>So how that gives everyone a bit more info and

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<v Speaker 2>background to who Audio is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we have something. First of all, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to say thank you for sharing. Oh, thank you, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for everybody who listened, And we want to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you something. We went on Patreon before this and we

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<v Speaker 3>asked to ask questions, ask addie questions. So what we're

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<v Speaker 3>there's going to be an extended version of this episode

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