Speaker 1: Oh, good morning, Patrick, Good morning, Tiffany.
Speaker 2: Good morning everyone.
Speaker 1: I'd see neither of you.
Speaker 3: Knew who to talk because Patrick wanted to be a gentleman,
Speaker 3: and so there was this awkward moment.
Speaker 4: Hi Patrick, Hi Crago, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm very good.
Speaker 3: I probably should have started with one of you, not
Speaker 3: both of you, because right out of the gate it
Speaker 3: was fucking terrible.
Speaker 1: But we can only get better from here, I guess hopefully.
Speaker 3: How is the International Space Station where we see you
Speaker 3: perched up there?
Speaker 5: Well, my primary camera isn't working and I'm using the
Speaker 5: camera off my laptop, so it's just a backdrop.
Speaker 4: But you can see the.
Speaker 5: Edges of it, so it doesn't work at all, and
Speaker 5: it's totally faked.
Speaker 4: And you can even see m a drink bottle that's
Speaker 4: not floating, is it? So?
Speaker 5: If I was on the International Space Station my drink
Speaker 5: bottle and Schnauzer, it should be floating.
Speaker 1: Schnauzer are euphemism for something else?
Speaker 5: Or do you actually have it's my dog sitting next
Speaker 5: to me, just Jackie, have you.
Speaker 1: Ever heard have you ever heard that?
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, it's worth doing a search on both
Speaker 3: of you. Dame Edna when she's talking about grooming er Schnauzer.
Speaker 4: It's very very Oh my god, oh you will wet
Speaker 4: yourself listeners.
Speaker 3: I think she's talking to David Parkinson tips writing it down,
Speaker 3: so yeah, and she's talking about it is and the
Speaker 3: people on the couch. Do you remember when do you
Speaker 3: remember when she would be on talkback show or talk
Speaker 3: chat shows and there'd be all these international guests who
Speaker 3: did not know really who she was or how to.
Speaker 1: Deal with her, especially Americans.
Speaker 3: Oh god, it's the funniest anyway, Patrick has a real schnauzer,
Speaker 3: which is not a euphemism for somebody part.
Speaker 1: There's also a.
Speaker 5: Funny interview with Norman Gunston room a Norman Gunston. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: this interview with someone really famous, and then right at
Speaker 5: the end of the interview, he said, so how about
Speaker 5: an autograph? And the person's kind of looked at him
Speaker 5: and looked at him and said, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so, and he said who should I
Speaker 4: make it out to?
Speaker 1: It was pretty funny. He's still a lot that Gary
Speaker 1: McDonald is his name.
Speaker 3: Isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think one of the best creative pieces of television
Speaker 5: he ever did was Mother and Son, where he was
Speaker 5: living with his mother who had dementia, and it was
Speaker 5: a comedy, but tackled it so amazingly.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: He was a very very big talent. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think he's still around.
Speaker 3: I think so he's a little bit pre You probably
Speaker 3: know of him too, but you probably haven't seen a
Speaker 3: lot of him, am I right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that go with that funny comb over here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he always used to have a bit of
Speaker 3: like a shaving cut with a bit of tissue paper.
Speaker 4: Toilet paper. It was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we'd have all these multiple shaving cuts and
Speaker 5: you just dabbed a bit of toilet paper, which is
Speaker 5: actually something.
Speaker 4: That you do when you're shaving.
Speaker 5: You have a shaving cut and you've got a little
Speaker 5: nick and you put a bit of toilet paper on,
Speaker 5: but you don't walk out the house with it on.
Speaker 4: Have you ever done that, Craig, when you've had a shave?
Speaker 4: Have you ever?
Speaker 3: I don't shave with a razor too much. I just
Speaker 3: like I just have a permanent stubble, But yeah, I have.
Speaker 3: I definitely in the old days when I used to
Speaker 3: be close shaving and trying to look like a grown up,
Speaker 3: especially when I first started and I was fucking lacerating
Speaker 3: my face on a daily basis.
Speaker 4: I was terrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the shaving skills of a gorilla.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 4: You had to shave. I know it's supposed to be
Speaker 4: talking about tech, but.
Speaker 1: Matter honestly what we talk about.
Speaker 3: My old man did teach me to shave once, I think,
Speaker 3: and back in those days, back in those days, just
Speaker 3: after Jesus passed away, it was wasn't a cut throat
Speaker 3: raisor well do you remember those blades. It was like
Speaker 3: a raizor blade and you would click it onto the
Speaker 3: top of a shaver and then like tighten it down.
Speaker 4: It was kind of wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like, yeah, it's like a like a
Speaker 3: convex kind of Yeah. It was actually a blade that
Speaker 3: you would stand alone blade that would get clicked into
Speaker 3: this shaver.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Those things were fucking lethal.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and now you can buy the the disposable
Speaker 3: ones with about twenty seven blades.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: If you do you use a razor or do you
Speaker 1: like not a not a much?
Speaker 2: In these days, I just let it. I'll just go.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the girls wax or shave their legs.
Speaker 1: Or whatever that or I mean, obviously I don't need
Speaker 1: to do either, but.
Speaker 6: Wax, but I shaved sometimes in between because it's annoying,
Speaker 6: because you get a good week of.
Speaker 1: Silk sha in between. Look at Patrick between my stows.
Speaker 6: Fritz actually know I wax because you managed to ring
Speaker 6: spontaneously every time I'm laying on the wax table.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right with your waxing lady, What would you do?
Speaker 3: What would you do if you went in and was
Speaker 3: a waxing dude? Would you turn around and walk out?
Speaker 1: And it sounds like.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, get a tiffed on as busy today, just
Speaker 3: go in and make yourself comfortable.
Speaker 6: Yeah, look I'd probably I'd probably just go get coffee instead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say, look now, I'm good, thanks Sea, I'd
Speaker 3: be too. Could you imagine Patrick at at at our
Speaker 3: ages with never having had bald legs being there are
Speaker 3: a lot of fucking bald male legs in Hampton, I'll
Speaker 3: give you the tip. Fucking I'm the exception not having
Speaker 3: bored legs. There's a lot of mammals, a lot of
Speaker 3: mammals in Hampton. But yeah, I reckon, it would be
Speaker 3: like stage nine pain if I got my legs waxed.
Speaker 2: It's worse.
Speaker 6: It's worse when you shave in between waxes. Might I
Speaker 6: had it?
Speaker 2: It's more then.
Speaker 6: I don't know why, but yeah, so you pay, you
Speaker 6: pay for it. You either get to have hairy leagues
Speaker 6: for a bit before the wax.
Speaker 2: Or you get more pain.
Speaker 1: Really, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Thing about being a chick is.
Speaker 3: The alleged reason that men's cyclists get wax. Shout out
Speaker 3: to all our male cyclist listeners. It's is it meant
Speaker 3: to be if they fall and they get cut that
Speaker 3: it's like it's easier to treat and clean or something.
Speaker 2: I think so because yeah?
Speaker 1: Or is it lower the drag coefficient?
Speaker 4: Patrick, I don't know. I thought it was. I think
Speaker 4: had nothing to do with falling. What would you plan
Speaker 4: to fall down?
Speaker 1: Well, they're not planning to, but they do get a
Speaker 1: few scrapes, and I don't know. Maybe you can find
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Seeing as you're here, let's do an episode and talk
Speaker 3: about science and technology and.
Speaker 4: Why aren't you okay?
Speaker 5: So cyclists shave their legs for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 5: including comfort, hygiene, and to reduce friction. And it can
Speaker 5: prevent infection and speed up healing after it?
Speaker 4: Reason?
Speaker 3: Could you imagine, like anyone who thinks they're that fucking good,
Speaker 3: that seventeen hairs on.
Speaker 1: Their legs are going to slow them down a little bit?
Speaker 3: Like you're not in the Olympics, champ, relax, You're just
Speaker 3: cruising down Beach Road.
Speaker 1: Oh come on, come on, bacon muffin.
Speaker 3: Yeah for an egg of bacon muffin and a coffee
Speaker 3: at the Hamptons.
Speaker 1: Just chill out shaving your legs.
Speaker 5: Do you feel somewhat threatened though, when twenty blokes Incras
Speaker 5: suddenly walk into your cafe. You're sitting there with your
Speaker 5: latte and I need.
Speaker 3: To be careful because twenty is a lot of men.
Speaker 3: But no, I don't, not one bit, do you know
Speaker 3: what I do? All jokes aside, I actually really like
Speaker 3: those guys doing that, and I know that they can
Speaker 3: be Some people think that they can be annoying when
Speaker 3: they're swarming down Beach Road and the roads around Melbourne.
Speaker 1: But I do like it that it's just a bunch
Speaker 1: of men doing shit together.
Speaker 3: And I like when I see them all well at
Speaker 3: the cafe I go to anyway, and like it's good
Speaker 3: camaraderie and it's I think because women generally connect better
Speaker 3: just to see men that are out and about and
Speaker 3: doing something that's healthy and something that's exercise based, and
Speaker 3: you know, so there's like a physical and a health
Speaker 3: and a social component. I do make fun of them,
Speaker 3: but I actually think it's good. You've never really been
Speaker 3: a cyclist, Patrick, have you been out?
Speaker 5: Not certainly not the Licra brigade. But when I was
Speaker 5: living in Geelong i first moved out of home. I've
Speaker 5: always been one of those people who doesn't do anything
Speaker 5: formal and just decides to do something. So I decided
Speaker 5: one day that I would start bike riding, and I
Speaker 5: just would ride for an hour and a half every morning.
Speaker 5: Just one would be a beach ride and the other
Speaker 5: one would be along the river. And I just did
Speaker 5: because I enjoyed being outdoors and loved being out in nature.
Speaker 5: And the other thing I used to do was a
Speaker 5: before school I'd go for a swim. I'd ride to
Speaker 5: the local pool and swim a kilometer and then go
Speaker 5: to school and then in the swimming tryout. Because I
Speaker 5: didn't tell anybody I did it. I just did it
Speaker 5: because I liked doing it. And then when they had
Speaker 5: the swimming tryout. So I deliberately swam slowly because I
Speaker 5: was the nerd that did no sport. And then when
Speaker 5: we had the school com by one eyace, I was in.
Speaker 3: You won every race because, oh, because you deliberately slept slowly.
Speaker 3: So why did you swim? Oh because if you swim slowly,
Speaker 3: you'd get put into an easier group.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the what.
Speaker 5: I didn't win anything at sport, and I didn't want
Speaker 5: to do sport, and then I thought, well, if I'm
Speaker 5: going to be forced to do this, and unbeknownst to everyone,
Speaker 5: I swam every morning.
Speaker 1: You were you a skinny teenager?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I was. I was pretty lanky and skinny.
Speaker 4: I had nothing on my chicken leave. Yeah, I was
Speaker 4: kind of averdgie. I gotta know.
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny you asked those questions. I don't
Speaker 5: you know. This is an interesting one, And I do
Speaker 5: relate this to to tech In terms of social media.
Speaker 5: I think body image for young people now, because of
Speaker 5: TikTok and because of what they see on socials, has
Speaker 5: totally changed the way that young people see themselves and
Speaker 5: their bodies.
Speaker 4: Particularly for me, Did I have abs?
Speaker 5: I don't remember, did I have was I You know,
Speaker 5: I didn't even care what I looked like at that age.
Speaker 5: I don't think that my body image and my sense
Speaker 5: of self was so focused on whether I had a
Speaker 5: good physique.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just was an average kid.
Speaker 5: But these days, and when I talked to young people,
Speaker 5: I know, there's a real sense of what they look like.
Speaker 5: You know, yesterday Crago and I had breakfast together and
Speaker 5: a young friend of mine, Chris, who's the son of
Speaker 5: one of my best friends, he came along and met
Speaker 5: up with us. Now he's fifteen and he's hitting the
Speaker 5: gym now, and it was an interesting conversation, wasn't it, Craigo.
Speaker 5: But I think, and I know, his older brother was very,
Speaker 5: very focused on how he looked and was hitting the gym.
Speaker 5: And at one point, I think Chris was about twelve,
Speaker 5: And I know he won't mind me telling the story.
Speaker 5: He was suddenly wanted to do push ups so he
Speaker 5: could get abs like his big brother. You know, he
Speaker 5: wanted to have the rippled abs and all that sort
Speaker 5: of stuff. And I think when you see that, and
Speaker 5: when you see all these people with amazing bodies on
Speaker 5: social media, it's hard for kids not to think, oh,
Speaker 5: I want to be like that. I need to look
Speaker 5: like that to be attractive to the other sex or
Speaker 5: to somebody else. And I think that there's a real
Speaker 5: pressure on young people to look a certain way because
Speaker 5: this is the perfect look, whereas I had no sense
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 4: I had zero sense of that when I was growing
Speaker 4: up as a kid.
Speaker 5: I don't know, Tiff, when you were growing up, did
Speaker 5: you feel you had to aspire to look like something?
Speaker 6: Sure?
Speaker 2: I did, breathink to the degree of today. I think
Speaker 2: it was just you just want to be skinny all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But there wasn't the range of different, you know,
Speaker 6: options that people have these days of looks and what
Speaker 6: to do and whether you're skinny or strong, or got
Speaker 6: abs or a big booty or you know, there's so
Speaker 6: much pressure for different looks.
Speaker 5: I don't even go there with the big booty thing,
Speaker 5: you know, the nash and stuff. That just blows my mind,
Speaker 5: like what the hell? But that's totally social media driven,
Speaker 5: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've never seen more teenagers in the gym like
Speaker 3: growing up Like me, From when I started training to
Speaker 3: really about six or seven years ago, there were hardly
Speaker 3: ever teenagers in the gym lifting weights, and now between
Speaker 3: four and seven it's predominantly young people. Between I would
Speaker 3: think sixteen and twenty like huge, huge.
Speaker 6: Really Yeah, I alvious think the use of filters and
Speaker 6: all the photos you put up of yourself. Now you
Speaker 6: create this image online these days and it's all filtered,
Speaker 6: and then you're not that person. Yeah, there's the personality
Speaker 6: you put forward, but there's also the literal photos that
Speaker 6: you put the best one and you put a filter
Speaker 6: on it, and then you actually don't look.
Speaker 2: Like that at all.
Speaker 6: I wonder how that affects how people walk out into
Speaker 6: the world.
Speaker 5: Well, I know for a show host of a very
Speaker 5: popular podcast that's a daily podcast, he actually approached me
Speaker 5: and said, when he was taking pictures of himself on
Speaker 5: his phone, it didn't look like what he looked like
Speaker 5: on zoom and there was a real mental disconnec between
Speaker 5: what he was seeing himself when he was virtually looking at.
Speaker 4: Himself on his podcast, as to there.
Speaker 5: Was something wrong with his phone because his phone wasn't
Speaker 5: showing him the.
Speaker 4: Way he thought he should look. Like, Yeah, do you
Speaker 4: remember that episode Tiff?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you too? Shut up? I'm well aware.
Speaker 3: I'm well aware of what my very fucking average head
Speaker 3: looks like. I'm not pretty like you two, So you
Speaker 3: can both fuck off, right, I know exactly what I'm
Speaker 3: working with. There's no Brad Pitt delusions over here. But
Speaker 3: what to your point though, Tiff? And you fuck with.
Speaker 1: Hi? Do you know if I was, I think about
Speaker 1: dating sites?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: You know how people put up?
Speaker 3: Firstly, the photo they put up is generally eight years
Speaker 3: old or ten years old.
Speaker 1: And it's the best photo that was ever taken of
Speaker 1: them eight years ago.
Speaker 3: And then, like you know how you say undersell over deliver,
Speaker 3: I feel like that's the opposite I would be putting up.
Speaker 1: I reckon, I'd put up a real average photo.
Speaker 3: And then if someone turns up, at the very least,
Speaker 3: they're not going to be disappointed.
Speaker 1: They may even be slightly happy about it. Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Where you go, look, I've got a fuck an average head.
Speaker 3: I'm not a lot to look at, So you know it, like,
Speaker 3: why would you? Because people are going to be disappointed?
Speaker 3: How many women have I heard tell me stories about that,
Speaker 3: or I've heard them talking in social media where they
Speaker 3: turn up on an online date and then the dude's
Speaker 3: twenty kilos heavier than the photo ten kilos sorry ten
Speaker 3: years older?
Speaker 1: Why would you do that?
Speaker 4: So I've got two things.
Speaker 5: We should set up a social media platform where you know,
Speaker 5: when people get kidnapped.
Speaker 4: They have to hold up the day's paper the dates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I like where this is gone?
Speaker 1: Keep going?
Speaker 5: So that's so yeah. So what you do is you're
Speaker 5: forced to no pictures on your profile of more than
Speaker 5: a month old. So you've got to take a photo
Speaker 5: of yourself at the newspaper. Although people can photoshop these days,
Speaker 5: but still, but it's a thought.
Speaker 4: Hey, it's a good idea.
Speaker 5: That way, we could call it that what's gone.
Speaker 3: You've got to take a photo every morning on your
Speaker 3: iPhone when you're having a shit, right, no makeup, here's
Speaker 3: me back in one out.
Speaker 1: At six point thirty two. You're welcome, and then just
Speaker 1: post that.
Speaker 3: And then if anyone's interested in you, you know they're serious.
Speaker 5: Then again, I guess it depends on the dating site
Speaker 5: you're going on, because there are some dating sites where
Speaker 5: you say no the face pic.
Speaker 1: Ah hatual.
Speaker 3: Tell me something about technology, please, for God's sake, just
Speaker 3: open the tech door. I feel like we've got thirty
Speaker 3: minutes to go, and people are like, could you start
Speaker 3: the show?
Speaker 1: Could you? What have Microsoft been doing that's pissing people off? Patrick,
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you.
Speaker 5: But yeah, So Microsoft launched their co pilot, which is great,
Speaker 5: and what they did was they sneakily, and I kin'd of, yeah, look,
Speaker 5: I'm going to say sneakily, I'm putting it out there.
Speaker 5: The trillion dollar company and me upscrew. Now Microsoft sneakily
Speaker 5: up to all of their subscription numbers by between thirty
Speaker 5: and forty percent. So suddenly people are paying upwards of
Speaker 5: forty percent more for their subscription because they're now bundling
Speaker 5: in AI. And what a lot of people don't realize
Speaker 5: is that you do have the option to not have
Speaker 5: the AI version and drop back to the cheapest subscriptions.
Speaker 5: But I did some sums on this, and I was
Speaker 5: thinking to myself, well, you know, Microsoft have a lot
Speaker 5: of people subscribed. I mean, we're talking a ton of people.
Speaker 5: So if they've got eighty four million subscribers and they
Speaker 5: bump up the price by forty dollars, that's three point
Speaker 5: three billion dollars they've just put into their skyrocket. So
Speaker 5: it's a lot of money, So there's a real cash
Speaker 5: in set and obviously developing AI is an expensive process.
Speaker 5: But the A Triple C, which of course is our
Speaker 5: consumer watchdog here in Australia, has now gone in because
Speaker 5: there are people who've complained and said you can't just
Speaker 5: arbitrarily jump up the price to that degree without consulting people.
Speaker 5: And I guess the question is go into your subscription
Speaker 5: and go and opt out. If you just want to
Speaker 5: use word and outlook, you know, and Excel spreadsheets, but
Speaker 5: you don't want the AI component built in. Given that
Speaker 5: there's a lot of free AI software out there, then
Speaker 5: you can reduce your bill drastically.
Speaker 4: So look at your bill. Has it just jumped up?
Speaker 5: It may be that you've been bumped up to the
Speaker 5: next subscription level without knowing.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's to me, I mean, how is that even legal?
Speaker 3: Like to me, I don't how can you that? That
Speaker 3: is deceptive? It's sneaky.
Speaker 4: It's does feel like that, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like how can you how can you charge
Speaker 3: people more without informing them that you're doing that or
Speaker 3: asking them, as you said.
Speaker 1: This is what we want to do. Are you in
Speaker 1: or out?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And that's what appears to have happened, and so that
Speaker 5: the ariple C is looking into it after a whole
Speaker 5: heap of complaints from people.
Speaker 3: So there's there's an ever expanding option list of AI, patrick,
Speaker 3: isn't there. I mean it feels like there, you know,
Speaker 3: we had chat GPT three and then four and then
Speaker 3: four point oh.
Speaker 1: I think it's called and five's coming out soon. And
Speaker 1: I use.
Speaker 3: Another one called Claude, which is more academically focused, in
Speaker 3: a little bit more technical writing. But it seems like
Speaker 3: that there's just going to be an ocean of these
Speaker 3: things where it's going to be just integrated with everything.
Speaker 4: Look, even if you.
Speaker 5: Use WhatsApp as a chat service, there's now a little
Speaker 5: colored circle in the corner where you've got AI built
Speaker 5: into that and you can just start asking questions directly
Speaker 5: into WhatsApp, you know. So there's so many options if
Speaker 5: you want to use it, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and it can be really handy, as you.
Speaker 5: Know, and I know that we've discussed this on many
Speaker 5: times on many shows, and there's lots of really great,
Speaker 5: you know, streamline ways that you can use it to
Speaker 5: help summarize an article, summarize information. But the concern about
Speaker 5: it is that now more people are actually asking generative
Speaker 5: AI questions about their health, but some of the answers
Speaker 5: may not be right. And this is the real concern
Speaker 5: is depending on the model that it was built on, it.
Speaker 4: Doesn't necesscessarily mean it's updating constantly.
Speaker 5: So you build the AI on on a model and
Speaker 5: it's amount of data, and it may have scraped the Internet,
Speaker 5: it may have got it from different sources, but then
Speaker 5: it's sitting there with this model and if you ask
Speaker 5: a question, it may not be as accurate as you think.
Speaker 5: And the concern is that more and more people are
Speaker 5: going to AI. You know when people say, oh, I
Speaker 5: googled it, so yes, now I have got hamorrhagic fever,
Speaker 5: so you go to doctor Google. Well, it's got one
Speaker 5: step further where people are now relying on AI for
Speaker 5: health outcomes and using AI and asking them questions about
Speaker 5: their health, but they potentially are getting the wrong answers.
Speaker 5: So and this is a worry because it's actually being
Speaker 5: used by doctors as well. So you know, doctors are
Speaker 5: under pressure, and I know my doc. I've sat down
Speaker 5: next to my doctor where he's googled stuff.
Speaker 4: Have you does that.
Speaker 5: Gets you nervous when you sit next to your GP
Speaker 5: and you start talking and he starts googling.
Speaker 3: Yet, well, I think, like I reckon the other side
Speaker 3: of this, Devil's Advocate is this, how much stuff can
Speaker 3: your doctor who qualified thirty years ago know and remember
Speaker 3: and understand about all potential health nutritional, medical like if
Speaker 3: you've got and you're exactly right. The internet gets things wrong,
Speaker 3: but so to humans. The third biggest lead, the third
Speaker 3: leading cause of death in America is medical mistakes.
Speaker 1: So mistakes by humans.
Speaker 3: So to assume that a doctor will know more than
Speaker 3: all of the information available, and I'm not saying they
Speaker 3: do or they don't. I'm just saying I think there's
Speaker 3: an intelligent way, and I think real humans should be
Speaker 3: at the forefront of all diagnoses and treatment, like doctors
Speaker 3: and surgeons and all the relevant people and nurses of course,
Speaker 3: But I also think that you know, if all of
Speaker 3: a sudden you can draw on all of the information
Speaker 3: that's about in the world about specific conditions, at the
Speaker 3: very least, it's a handy tool to use without being
Speaker 3: dependent on it. I think there's going to be an
Speaker 3: integration of humanity and technology when it comes to managing
Speaker 3: and treating health and medical conditions.
Speaker 5: I think one of little survey that was done last
Speaker 5: year looked at around about two thousand Australians and quiz
Speaker 5: them on whether they were using generative AI chat JAPT
Speaker 5: to find out health related queries, and it was quite high.
Speaker 5: But what it found also is that people with who
Speaker 5: were actually low associo economically, so maybe people who could
Speaker 5: less afford to go to a doctor were actually playing
Speaker 5: on that data to try to get questions answered about
Speaker 5: their health. So there seemed to be a correlation between
Speaker 5: people who had less money and were maybe relying on
Speaker 5: what they perceive ai'd be smart enough that they can
Speaker 5: get health outcomes, and that's that's I think that's what
Speaker 5: the concern was that because this was a national kind
Speaker 5: of study into you know a bit of research that
Speaker 5: was done, and it just felt that people felt they
Speaker 5: trusted AI more than they would just a standard Google search.
Speaker 5: I mean, when I look up something in Google, I
Speaker 5: then go to the is it the Mayo Clinic or
Speaker 5: one of the health sites, or I look for a
Speaker 5: government website. You know, you always look for the dot
Speaker 5: gov extension to make sure the health information that you've
Speaker 5: got is a legitimate website. So I think for me personally,
Speaker 5: you know, it's like going to a banking web. So
Speaker 5: I remember when you used to look for the padlock
Speaker 5: in the top left hand corner, so it had a
Speaker 5: little what they called an SSL certificate, and that tis
Speaker 5: shaking her head, so we o me too.
Speaker 1: Shake your mind.
Speaker 5: Okay, So there's a little padlock that sits in the
Speaker 5: browser to say that it's a secure connection between you,
Speaker 5: and if you're filling out a form or whatever, it's
Speaker 5: encrypted when you send it through, so no one else
Speaker 5: can intercept the information that you're sending through. Say yeah,
Speaker 5: but in this case, in this case, it seems that yeah,
Speaker 5: people are trusting AI a lot more. And so and
Speaker 5: those people from like a non English speaking country who
Speaker 5: you know, initially spoken other language, they have a more
Speaker 5: likely to ask those sorts of questions because the language
Speaker 5: barrier is a real problem to communicating. So you know,
Speaker 5: again it may talk to the point of well, maybe
Speaker 5: they're actually having more success with their dialogue when they're
Speaker 5: using a machine that can translate and all that sort
Speaker 5: of stuff. So maybe it's about having those tools at
Speaker 5: a hand as well.
Speaker 4: It'd be tough, wouldn't it.
Speaker 5: If you go to a country where you can't speak
Speaker 5: the language in your native language, you can't express yourself
Speaker 5: very well, and you need to talk about a very
Speaker 5: sensitive medical issue. And you know, it could be young
Speaker 5: people who are embarrassed to go to the doctor and
Speaker 5: talk about things and think, well, maybe I'll just go
Speaker 5: in and use chat GPT to find out what is
Speaker 5: ailing me.
Speaker 3: Speaking of trust and lack of trust gen z or
Speaker 3: I would call them gen z, but I think that
Speaker 3: the kids call it gen z. Teens tell us why
Speaker 3: they stopped trusting experts in favor of influences on TikTok.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of peer pressure gone crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 5: You know, because all the sex education came from you know,
Speaker 5: Barry who was behind the bike shed telling you about
Speaker 5: all the facts of life.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that I'm not at my school behind the bike shed.
Speaker 3: No wonder you turned out the way you did. Now
Speaker 3: there's everything. The door is wide open. My understanding has
Speaker 3: been expanded. Behind the bike shed, your.
Speaker 1: Best book in and see someone's son.
Speaker 5: Kicks talk And didn't you look, I'm surely you know
Speaker 5: the first thing as you started learning about life, the
Speaker 5: universe and everything, from your mates, from kids at school.
Speaker 5: Well on a larger scale. Now young people are turning
Speaker 5: to TikTok and believing what's on there. So the younger
Speaker 5: people of gen Z, so we're talking teenagers, they listen
Speaker 5: and they believe because what the problem is that they
Speaker 5: equate a big following and popularity. Because the thing is,
Speaker 5: if you say something and it relates to a topic
Speaker 5: of interest to young people and then you get a
Speaker 5: massive following, the algorithm within TikTok will push that higher up.
Speaker 5: So it may be a radical view, it may be
Speaker 5: a farle right view, it may be a controversial view,
Speaker 5: but the reality of it is the algorithm doesn't care
Speaker 5: if it's true or not. So TikTok doesn't care what
Speaker 5: you say. It cares if it's going to get likes.
Speaker 5: It's cares if it's going to get follows, because it's
Speaker 5: a system that's designed to make the popular stuff float
Speaker 5: to the surface so that you're more likely to see
Speaker 5: it if it's been liked by more people. And it's
Speaker 5: not propagating quality. It's not the encyclo pretty Epedia Britannica.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's you know, a social media platform, that
Speaker 5: just wants to have more people watch it, and it
Speaker 5: wants to keep you there longer. And what I'm getting
Speaker 5: to I guess, is that younger people are not discerning
Speaker 5: between popularity and the quality of the information that's been disseminated.
Speaker 3: So it's not buried behind the bikeshed, is it? That's
Speaker 3: where you get your quality information? Like, were you kidding?
Speaker 3: People lie as well? What do you think you think
Speaker 3: you only get bad information on the internet? No, look
Speaker 3: at hell, no, Patrick, No, you get bad information everywhere.
Speaker 5: No, have a science you go to a science teacher.
Speaker 5: If you have a sex head teacher, you know, you
Speaker 5: go to your GP. If you've got a health related questions.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying maybe maybe yeah, maybe, I mean like there's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying.
Speaker 3: But the fact that they would that would be their
Speaker 3: preferred kind of clinician over the top of an actual
Speaker 3: human Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, Because the thing is what it's saying is that
Speaker 5: experts are being dismissed because the stuff they're saying is
Speaker 5: inconvenient and not entertaining.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, so that's the key thing.
Speaker 5: So they will go so a gen z Agen z
Speaker 5: will go to an influencer before they go to an expert.
Speaker 4: So maybe it's financial advice.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's what should you let's invest in bitcoin for
Speaker 5: this particular platform, or what you know, or hide your money.
Speaker 4: Under your bed, under your pillow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm with you. I see.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I need to be careful how I
Speaker 3: say this, but I see fitness influences. Yeah, the guy
Speaker 3: who's been in fitness for forty years, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: and I'll make got qual fight on Tuesday. And now
Speaker 3: he's telling everybody is you know the ins and outs
Speaker 3: of physiology, And I'm like, oh, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: But it's tough because like, on the one hand, I think, hey,
Speaker 3: well done you for doing this thing and building this
Speaker 3: brand and this following. But then the other part of
Speaker 3: me is like, yeah, but a lot of what you're
Speaker 3: saying is kind of bullshit though, So I know exactly
Speaker 3: what you're saying, and I think, like people who don't
Speaker 3: have much knowledge, which is me in some fields, like
Speaker 3: I'll listen to like I could watch some kind of
Speaker 3: thing on tech and I'd think this is awesome, and
Speaker 3: then I run it by you and you go No,
Speaker 3: that's actually crap, that's not real. And I don't even
Speaker 3: know because I don't know what I'm looking for. And
Speaker 3: then with other people, people come to me all the
Speaker 3: time or send me things all the time. Is this real?
Speaker 3: What do you think of this? I go that is
Speaker 3: not information. That is marketing. That is a person trying
Speaker 3: to sell you a thing. That's I think the thing
Speaker 3: is sometimes the gap between what is marketing what is advertising.
Speaker 3: You know, It's like, I guess the analogy would be
Speaker 3: on food products, where the front of the package is
Speaker 3: just all advertising and marketing and the actual legitimate quality
Speaker 3: information is in that tiny box on the back that's
Speaker 3: almost unreadable because the words are so small, and that,
Speaker 3: you know, that's the thing is like if they wanted
Speaker 3: you to know what was actually in that food, they
Speaker 3: would put the nutritional information splashed across the front in
Speaker 3: big letters, and they don't want you to. And I
Speaker 3: think that's what you're talking about here. It's trying to
Speaker 3: read through that and filter through that.
Speaker 5: Maybe yeah, well this this cereal will make you happier,
Speaker 5: you know, sugar.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And when they talked about experts, we're talking about doctors journalists.
Speaker 5: Because when you think of Okay, So when I was
Speaker 5: training as a journalist, we were taught to check our
Speaker 5: sources to make sure they were credible before we published anything.
Speaker 5: And there was a study done by Reuters, So Ruter
Speaker 5: is a very large news service back in twenty twenty,
Speaker 5: and they looked at things like TikTok and YouTube and
Speaker 5: all these social media platforms and gen Z teenagers relied
Speaker 5: on social media for advice to a higher degree than
Speaker 5: they did these experts. So what they're saying is I
Speaker 5: trust I trust the social media more than I trust
Speaker 5: a doctor, a journalist, a scientist. They dismissed them out
Speaker 5: of hand. So they're not people they would go to
Speaker 5: as the expert. They see the social media influencers as
Speaker 5: the expert and think about things like remember planking.
Speaker 4: There was that whole planking thing for.
Speaker 5: A while and people were visiting it and people falling
Speaker 5: off balconies to their death. You know, there are some
Speaker 5: trending stories, some trending things, and weren't people at one
Speaker 5: point eating dish washing tablets?
Speaker 4: Was that a thing for a while, Do you remember
Speaker 4: that there were? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's weird little things that people that seem
Speaker 3: to somehow gain some kind of momentum and curiosity.
Speaker 1: Do you know the difference between you and I.
Speaker 3: I'm just reading one of your titles here. Sorry to interrupt,
Speaker 3: but maybe we could go here. The heading is six
Speaker 3: things I had no idea Gemini could do Now. To you,
Speaker 3: Gemini is probably some computer thing. To me, Gemini is
Speaker 3: a car from the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 2: To me, it's a star sign.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to you, it's a star sign. And then I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: why is he talking about Geminis. I mean, they haven't
Speaker 3: been out for thirty years. And then I went no,
Speaker 3: I think in the back recesses of my bloody brain,
Speaker 3: I think that's something.
Speaker 1: What is Gemini?
Speaker 4: Well, it's an old car, and you can do burnouts in.
Speaker 5: New cars don't have because you know, if new cars
Speaker 5: now have a button for the break, you can't do
Speaker 5: you can't do the handbreakings.
Speaker 4: Do you know what a handbreaking is, don't you, Tiff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, put the handbrake on and.
Speaker 5: Yeah and breaking and turning the steering all at the
Speaker 5: same time, and you'd be able to do a three
Speaker 5: sixty with your car. I should admit to having done
Speaker 5: that as a kid behind the Royal Melbourne Zoological Gardens
Speaker 5: because they had this massive area of dirt track and
Speaker 5: we'd get out there and do handbreaking. So you did
Speaker 5: a handbreaking when you're a kid, didn't you.
Speaker 3: Craigo, No, no, I wouldn't know handbreaking is of course
Speaker 3: I grew up in the country.
Speaker 4: Of course with.
Speaker 1: Bogan. I've done videos on it.
Speaker 4: Okay, No.
Speaker 5: Gemini is Google's AI chatbot, right, Okay, so that's the
Speaker 5: Google chat bot.
Speaker 4: But the thing is there's some really awesome stuff that
Speaker 4: you can do.
Speaker 5: You can actually use your phone now, or you can
Speaker 5: scan and you can read handwriting in blurry text. You know,
Speaker 5: have you because a lot of young people don't even
Speaker 5: I mean if you went to a doctor. Imagine you
Speaker 5: gone to a doctor writes out a script or something
Speaker 5: or some advice and you look at it and you
Speaker 5: think there's a chicken just crawled across the page. Well,
Speaker 5: a lot of AI now can actually read that stuff,
Speaker 5: so you can take information. And some universities are using
Speaker 5: whole old, really old text that is so old that
Speaker 5: it's been blurred. We're talking hundreds of years old, and
Speaker 5: human beings like us struggled to be able to decipher that.
Speaker 5: And now AI is able to put it together. You know,
Speaker 5: it can look for patterns within the entire body of text.
Speaker 5: So when we look at something, we look at it
Speaker 5: in isolation. We try to read one line. But when
Speaker 5: AI looks at it, it looks at an entire fifty
Speaker 5: thousand word document, and it looks for symbols and the
Speaker 5: way that things were written, and then it can put
Speaker 5: the whole lot together. So that's the beauty of being
Speaker 5: able to look at it all at once, as opposed
Speaker 5: to us where we can kind of look at small
Speaker 5: all aspects and think that might be a littera or
Speaker 5: it might be a litter s and then how does
Speaker 5: that compare to all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: But that's where CHAT, GPT and.
Speaker 5: All these other AIS come to the fore, because they
Speaker 5: have this amazing processing power to be able to look
Speaker 5: at everything as a whole and then summarize it and
Speaker 5: bring it back to the base number or whatever it
Speaker 5: happens to be.
Speaker 3: So I hope, I hope we don't lose some of
Speaker 3: those cognitive skills and writing skills. And the other day
Speaker 3: I did I can't of remember whobert I was doing.
Speaker 3: I did a podcast with someone and I had some
Speaker 3: notes on the screen, just dot points that I was
Speaker 3: going to talk to them about. It might have been
Speaker 3: doctor Jeff Grosse, i''m not sure. But it wasn't one
Speaker 3: of these very informal, casual ones where we just talk
Speaker 3: about nothing in particular for an hour, right.
Speaker 1: It was like a proper conversation.
Speaker 3: And I at the end of it, I took I
Speaker 3: just cut and paste those notes, those dot points into
Speaker 3: chat GPT and said, I just did a podcast talking
Speaker 3: about this stuff. Can you write a show overview? And
Speaker 3: it's like, certainly, Craig, And it just cranked out like
Speaker 3: a nine out of ten blurb, which I actually used
Speaker 3: some of it. I mean, I could have just plugged
Speaker 3: it in, but it wasn't written like I write. But
Speaker 3: the actual thing was just ready to go. I'm like,
Speaker 3: this shit is this shit is really improving rapidly?
Speaker 5: Well, look at your say, one of your big documents.
Speaker 5: What's the biggest document that you've worked.
Speaker 4: On at the moment.
Speaker 5: I mean we're talking tens of thousands of words, aren't you, oh.
Speaker 3: For my research? Yeah yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, tens of
Speaker 3: thousands of words.
Speaker 5: You could potentially plug that into CHATCHPT or to Gemini
Speaker 5: and say can you spot any mistakes? So it might
Speaker 5: not it's not contextual, it's got nothing to do with
Speaker 5: the research itself, but it could be instances where auto
Speaker 5: correct used as Z instead of an S. I don't
Speaker 5: know about you, but I get so annoyed when auto
Speaker 5: correct does a Z and I don't want to use
Speaker 5: and spelling. But you could then scan an entire document
Speaker 5: of you, forty thousand words, and it would be able
Speaker 5: to go through it and clean up any errors that
Speaker 5: you may have made.
Speaker 4: And as a.
Speaker 5: Human being, how many times have you read something and thought, yeah,
Speaker 5: that looks fine, and you don't pick up on it
Speaker 5: because you've just read it so many times. And so
Speaker 5: they're little tools that like having your personal editor sitting
Speaker 5: next to you, that can go in there and make
Speaker 5: those changes.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: One of the things that I've seen a lot of,
Speaker 5: and sometimes this happens where a client sends us some
Speaker 5: information they want us to use for a social media
Speaker 5: post and you think that's actually AI generated.
Speaker 4: I don't know whether I want to use that.
Speaker 5: You know, we like to be creative in our office
Speaker 5: and we do use AI for some things. And it
Speaker 5: also depends on what the client's expectations are and what
Speaker 5: their budget is, so we are mindful of that, but
Speaker 5: we're really transparent about whether or not we use AI
Speaker 5: to to kind of create content or you know, I
Speaker 5: know I've mentioned this heaps of times. Sometimes you're given
Speaker 5: a photo that's been taken on a mobile phone that's
Speaker 5: portrait rather than landscape, but we need to use it
Speaker 5: as a landscape photo, so we just throw it into
Speaker 5: you know, Adobe has this great photoshop and we just say,
Speaker 5: can you extend the background scene, So the background might
Speaker 5: be a row of houses, or it might be a
Speaker 5: mountain range or whatever, So it hasn't all the main
Speaker 5: core photo. It's just extended the background to change the
Speaker 5: aspect ratio, so it's then usable for whatever it is.
Speaker 4: That we want to use.
Speaker 5: You know, one of my clients is a lawyer, and
Speaker 5: their legal firm just lost one of their key partners
Speaker 5: and they had this great photo shoot where they had
Speaker 5: the three partners standing in front of their sign, and
Speaker 5: then one of the partners left and they didn't want
Speaker 5: to do another expensive photo shoot, so we just used
Speaker 5: AI to take one person out of the image and
Speaker 5: rebuild the shoulder of the other partner. Now If I'd
Speaker 5: done that in photoshop myself, it probably would have been
Speaker 5: a all our job to be able to meticulously paint
Speaker 5: out the person it was a textured background, and then
Speaker 5: rebuild the person's shoulder, which is something a human person
Speaker 5: who's good at using that sort of tech, you know,
Speaker 5: photo software, could do. But it took me five minutes.
Speaker 5: Using AI, it gave different examples and I combined a few.
Speaker 5: I did a little bit of photoshopping myself, but the
Speaker 5: majority of that was done by AI, and what I
Speaker 5: was able to deliver to my client was something that
Speaker 5: made it cheaper for them than going out for another
Speaker 5: photo shoot, and I didn't have to charge them much
Speaker 5: because it was there and done. So those sorts of
Speaker 5: things make AI really really handy. And AI can detect
Speaker 5: AI as well. So if you've got a photograph and
Speaker 5: you think, well, maybe that's not craiggo sitting on Matt Everest,
Speaker 5: I could plug that into AI and think, no, it's right,
Speaker 5: Craig didn't climb Everest. I'm pretty sure now because AI
Speaker 5: is able to detect that it's an AI image.
Speaker 3: And also he's wearing thongs and shorts and a black
Speaker 3: T shirt, so probably but just back quickly before you
Speaker 3: go to your next topic. So another thing you can
Speaker 3: do is say, for example, back to my research. You
Speaker 3: can get an academic paper which is high level sciencey confusing,
Speaker 3: and it's thirty pages and it would take you five
Speaker 3: hours to read and try and comprehend. You can put
Speaker 3: a PDF of that article into for example Claude, the
Speaker 3: one I was talking about before, which is ai more academic,
Speaker 3: and say, give give me a synopsis of this in
Speaker 3: easy to understand language in three hundred words, and literally
Speaker 3: one second after you upload that PDF, it starts answering,
Speaker 3: and then in thirty seconds or less, probably twenty, you've
Speaker 3: got a three hundred word overview of what this paper
Speaker 3: that would have taken you. Obviously I don't use that
Speaker 3: per se because you can't, but just to go whether
Speaker 3: or not this is worth me reading, you know. So
Speaker 3: it's unbelievable, cauld.
Speaker 5: I just say something fuddy, because I was thinking of
Speaker 5: exactly the same scenario. But my example was taking a
Speaker 5: complicated recipe and dumbing it down to decide where to
Speaker 5: cook it.
Speaker 1: Same, I dear, different, different purpose.
Speaker 4: It makes you seem so much smarter than me, not
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 3: Can I tell you because I like fast things. I'm
Speaker 3: very excited about a train two hundred and eighty one miles.
Speaker 3: How that is? That is nearly five hundred kilometers one.
Speaker 5: Hundred and fifty two kilometers an hour. Now, I've been
Speaker 5: on a fast train when I went to Shanghai. There's
Speaker 5: a high speed train between the airport in Shanghai and
Speaker 5: the main city of Shanghai, and I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 5: was almost four hundred kilometers an hour. And it's you're
Speaker 5: going to laugh at me because I've said this word
Speaker 5: before and I think you'd made fun of me. But
Speaker 5: it it's a maglev train. I'm sure there was a
Speaker 5: point at which you laughed at me about saying the
Speaker 5: word maglev magnet?
Speaker 3: Doesn't it just hover above because yeah, it's not on
Speaker 3: actual rails, is it.
Speaker 5: Well, there is a rail, but it's a magnetic rail,
Speaker 5: and so it hovers above it because magnetic levitation above
Speaker 5: the train, and so it's.
Speaker 1: There's a mono rail, like one big fat rail.
Speaker 4: I guess it is. Yeah, it is. Yes, you're right, Well,
Speaker 4: at least the one that I was on was.
Speaker 5: And you know how magnets can repulse as well, and
Speaker 5: so it's that they pulse the magnets and that's what
Speaker 5: generates the thrust to be able to move the train.
Speaker 4: But it means that there's very little friction.
Speaker 5: There's air friction, but there's no physical friction between the
Speaker 5: track and the base of the train.
Speaker 4: But that's we're talking massively fast.
Speaker 5: You know, that's a long long you know, that'd be
Speaker 5: so cool if we had a Melbourne train to the airport.
Speaker 5: How long have they been talking about Could you.
Speaker 3: Imagine sitting in at ground level, sitting in a chair,
Speaker 3: and you look out and the world's going by nearly
Speaker 3: five hundred kilometers an hour. That that would be disconcerting
Speaker 3: because in a plane you don't get you don't get
Speaker 3: that kind of context or perspective.
Speaker 5: Yes, because you've got nothing to compare it to. I've
Speaker 5: got a lot of paragliding, and this is going to
Speaker 5: sound really weird. When you're flying a paraglider, you don't
Speaker 5: know whether you're going up or down. Really it seems problematic.
Speaker 5: It is problematic. I mean, once you start to get
Speaker 5: closer to the ground, then you realize you're getting closer.
Speaker 5: But if you're up pretty high, it can actually be
Speaker 5: deceptive because you've got nothing next to you to compare to.
Speaker 5: There's no trees to see where your altitude is. And
Speaker 5: in fact, the paragliders who do a lot of flying
Speaker 5: inland flying. So if you happen to be flying thermals
Speaker 5: off mountains and things, you can use what they call
Speaker 5: a variometer, a variometer, and it's it basically makes the
Speaker 5: sound and as the pitch goes up, so it just
Speaker 5: goes bit bit bit bit bit bit bit when you're
Speaker 5: going up, and be bit bit bit.
Speaker 4: Bit bit bit when you going down. That was an
Speaker 4: easy bit.
Speaker 3: Of speaking of vehicles, Patrick, just because we're sliding into
Speaker 3: home plate. Okay, cars are getting stolen in Victoria, you know,
Speaker 3: every minute, it seems like, and the crooks have got
Speaker 3: a new high tech resource at their disposal.
Speaker 5: Well, I've got to say this actually has a very
Speaker 5: personal thing for me. Can I tell you this yesterday
Speaker 5: that someone tried to break into my car?
Speaker 4: I did not? Oh, didn't I tell you? So I've
Speaker 4: got two cars.
Speaker 5: So I've got my little Masda which I drive around,
Speaker 5: but I've also got an old car that I've had
Speaker 5: for about thirty two years and it's a little nisniss
Speaker 5: An Annixar coop and I've decided I want to get
Speaker 5: rid of it because I need to.
Speaker 4: And it's just been sitting around since COVID hasn't been driven.
Speaker 5: And it was sitting out the front of my house
Speaker 5: and I was driving out of my driveway coming down
Speaker 5: to your place, and I looked over. I thought, oh,
Speaker 5: someone's bent the antenna on the car. And I jumped
Speaker 5: into the car and I looked at it, and I thought,
Speaker 5: there's this hunk of plastics sitting on the back seat.
Speaker 5: So where that unk of plastic come from? And I
Speaker 5: realized someone had got into the car that unlocked it,
Speaker 5: and they'd ripped all the bottom panel underneath the steering wheel,
Speaker 5: and they'd cut the wires and then they shredded the
Speaker 5: plastic off them to try to jump start like the.
Speaker 4: Pot wire the car.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but of course the battery was flat because it's
Speaker 5: been sitting there. I mean, the cobweb sitting on the
Speaker 5: tires probably should have been a giveaway, but the battery.
Speaker 5: And so they've broken into the car to try to
Speaker 5: hot wire it and drive off at it. It's a
Speaker 5: really nice looking little car. I really should just plan
Speaker 5: it up and get rid of it.
Speaker 3: But maybe get although it was cut, wires fixed and
Speaker 3: the bit of plastic ripped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe remove some cobwebs.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So in terms of breaking into old too hot wires anymore,
Speaker 5: I don't think you need to do that anymore, don't
Speaker 5: do you.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can with new cars. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can, but I wouldn't think so.
Speaker 5: See that's a really interesting one. I don't think you
Speaker 5: can because I mean, there's so I mean, you don't
Speaker 5: even have any You just have a button and it's
Speaker 5: in the middle of the dash, doesn't sit under the
Speaker 5: steering wheel reroom. The old days, the ignition was just
Speaker 5: a key that you turned. But now the button just
Speaker 5: sits somewhere in the dash. You wouldn't even know where
Speaker 5: to look for it, would you.
Speaker 3: But that I have to remember you used to have
Speaker 3: to pump the accelerator to get a bit of petrol
Speaker 3: in and then and then turn the I.
Speaker 5: Can go even one better than that. Remember I used
Speaker 5: to have a choke. My first card had a choke.
Speaker 5: Choke was tiff Yeah, I do so you pulled I
Speaker 5: had a little what did I have? A Masda eight eight?
Speaker 5: It was a nineteen seventy five Mas to eight oh
Speaker 5: eight super Deluxe. It was a two door car, so
Speaker 5: it was the coolest thing ever, and it had the
Speaker 5: engine was.
Speaker 4: So small, but it had a really long engine bay.
Speaker 4: It was really funny. You'd open it up and go,
Speaker 4: where's the engine.
Speaker 3: It was so like I feel like the term super
Speaker 3: Deluxe is a little bit like those guys who used
Speaker 3: the ten year old photos on the dating sites.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a little bit of over selling.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, so criminal gangs are now able to use key
Speaker 5: programmers to be able to steal cars.
Speaker 4: This is actually happening.
Speaker 5: Where we live here in Victoria, Australia, and police are
Speaker 5: now saying that there are new tech devices that are
Speaker 5: behind a massive surge. And what they're saying is the
Speaker 5: biggest surge in thefts of vehicles.
Speaker 4: In twenty years.
Speaker 5: And this is just driveways sitting in front of your house.
Speaker 5: And they're able to use electronic devices that are programmed
Speaker 5: to mimic the keys because none of us use keys anymore.
Speaker 4: It's all electronic entry and they're able.
Speaker 5: So what happens is they use the electronic key to
Speaker 5: open the door, but then they use a device I
Speaker 5: don't know if you've ever seen your mechanic do this,
Speaker 5: But underneath the dash there's a little kind of plug
Speaker 5: that you put an electronic device in. Have you ever
Speaker 5: seen that when they do diagnostics on cars, Well, these
Speaker 5: diagnostic devices, they're able to plug it in and use
Speaker 5: it to spoof the system into thinking it's the legitimate
Speaker 5: key to access the vehicle, and that's how they're getting in.
Speaker 5: And the thing the concerning police at the moment is
Speaker 5: there's a lot of sites like Amazon and eBay where
Speaker 5: you can buy these devices and they're technically, I guess
Speaker 5: they're legal to own if you're a mechanic, but you know,
Speaker 5: so there's a gray area if you're a mechanic and
Speaker 5: you can legitimately purchase this device because it's a diagnostic tool,
Speaker 5: but the fringe of it is that they can actually
Speaker 5: use it to start your car and drive off in it.
Speaker 5: You know, my car broke down a little while ago
Speaker 5: and the guy that came out to toe it was
Speaker 5: trying to unlock the brakes electronically because the battery had
Speaker 5: gone flat on my car.
Speaker 4: Evidently that happens in.
Speaker 5: New car sometimes, and so we couldn't start the car,
Speaker 5: couldn't turn it on. Couldn't, but he was able to
Speaker 5: plug this electronic device into a full diagnostic of my
Speaker 5: car and fool the system into thinking that the key
Speaker 5: was working.
Speaker 4: And that's what you can do.
Speaker 5: So it's legitimate tools that you can buy, but now
Speaker 5: thieves are using them. So I don't know what the
Speaker 5: you put it. You remember, did they still do that
Speaker 5: in cities where they locked the wheels of the car.
Speaker 4: I know they do that in New York.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if they do it in Melbourne where
Speaker 5: they use a wheel clamp and it clamps onto the
Speaker 5: tire of the car.
Speaker 4: You've seen that.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what people are literally using because Johnny,
Speaker 3: one of my mates, who's got the last model Commodore
Speaker 3: with a million horsepower engine, Tiff notes Johnny, he's got
Speaker 3: himself a steering lock. Yes, you know, the old red
Speaker 3: steer because they are like people will see those and go,
Speaker 3: I'm fucked, because it doesn't matter what electronic gizmo you've got,
Speaker 3: you can't break that.
Speaker 1: Well, you probably can eventually, but I think they just
Speaker 1: move on. I reckon the.
Speaker 3: Other security kind of ploy you could engage Patrick is
Speaker 3: to buy a manual car because I feel like most
Speaker 3: thieves can only drive a bloody automatic. Hey, let's do
Speaker 3: this last one because I feel like this is relevant
Speaker 3: to me, which is being polite to chat GPT. I
Speaker 3: think it's my insecurity and my need to have friends
Speaker 3: at any cost. But I'm so polite to chat GPT.
Speaker 5: Well, about seventy percent of people are polite to AI
Speaker 5: when they interact with it. Now, whether you are a
Speaker 5: pessimist of if you're a glass is half full or
Speaker 5: a glass is half empty, to me, that seems pretty reasonable,
Speaker 5: Whereas I guess some people are impolite and some people
Speaker 5: are just indifferent. But it's interesting to get into the
Speaker 5: mindset of why people are polite and is it a
Speaker 5: reflection of society. So if you're a polite person by nature,
Speaker 5: it kind of makes sense that you may actually be
Speaker 5: polite to chat gt GPT or one of the AIS
Speaker 5: that talks to you. I'm talking specifically to those you
Speaker 5: interact with verbally, and if you're having a conversation with
Speaker 5: an AI, there's really a sense that I'm talking to
Speaker 5: an entity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it says to me. Sometimes I'll ask something
Speaker 3: and it says and it's my chat t friend. As
Speaker 3: American because I chose the I don't know why. He goes, hey,
Speaker 3: great question, Creig. Okay, let me think about this, and
Speaker 3: then I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1: Thanks Chatters. That was great because he compliments me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's nice, isn't it to have an electronic friend
Speaker 5: to a compliment?
Speaker 1: Fucking hell? I get lonely, bro.
Speaker 3: I mean sometimes even even when I've got nothing to ask,
Speaker 3: I just go hi, you know, and we just bang on.
Speaker 5: But there is a high percentage of people who will
Speaker 5: be polite for that very human reason. And there's that
Speaker 5: human thing of I feel like I'm talking to another
Speaker 5: person in other entity, I'm going.
Speaker 4: To be polite to them. But there's also.
Speaker 5: In this I think you fall into this category that
Speaker 5: you feel that maybe if you're polite to chat GPT now,
Speaker 5: when the robot overlords are controlling the world, they might
Speaker 5: remember that Greg was actually nice to them.
Speaker 3: There's that definitely, I feel like maybe they'll kill me
Speaker 3: slower or later. And secondly, I feel like if I'm polite,
Speaker 3: I'm going to get better results. I feel like he's
Speaker 3: going to try harder.
Speaker 4: Oh well, that's the thing.
Speaker 5: So there was a study I read a little while
Speaker 5: ago that said if you're rude, you're less likely to
Speaker 5: get appropriate results. So maybe they have a personality.
Speaker 3: Well, how far away are they from consciousness and sentience? Sentience, Patrick,
Speaker 3: we're going to go because you both have got another engagement,
Speaker 3: which might be called roll with the punches. How the
Speaker 3: people get in contact with you?
Speaker 5: My friend, I think this go to websites now, dot com,
Speaker 5: dot au or tai chi at home if they want
Speaker 5: to do some tai chi with me.
Speaker 4: I kind of do lots of fun stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but no, they use probably the best way, and
Speaker 5: then you can fill out a form more you've got
Speaker 5: contact details if you want to stay higher.
Speaker 1: All right, everyone, thanks mate, Thanks TIV there.
Speaker 3: Yeah,