1 00:00:05,121 --> 00:00:07,801 Speaker 1: Yeah, approache production. 2 00:00:23,681 --> 00:00:24,321 Speaker 2: For the record. 3 00:00:24,361 --> 00:00:27,641 Speaker 3: I'm done trying to make y'all comfortable for the record. 4 00:00:27,721 --> 00:00:30,121 Speaker 3: You ain't trying to grow downy stuff for your pride 5 00:00:30,241 --> 00:00:32,321 Speaker 3: for the record, laugh on me going all the. 6 00:00:32,281 --> 00:00:35,161 Speaker 1: Way way for the record. Ain't trying to link no 7 00:00:35,201 --> 00:00:37,001 Speaker 1: time to waste, stop for. 8 00:00:37,001 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 4: The record, for the record, for the for the record, 9 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:50,641 Speaker 4: for the right, for the record, for the record. 10 00:00:49,961 --> 00:00:52,561 Speaker 1: For the record. I'm don't trying to make y'all comfortable. 11 00:00:52,921 --> 00:00:59,441 Speaker 2: Right, I didn't get any of it that was a quality. 12 00:00:59,761 --> 00:01:02,081 Speaker 5: Oh no, Well, let's explain this to the audience. 13 00:01:02,281 --> 00:01:05,681 Speaker 2: You just fucked up more producer, I'm more produced a 14 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: Jay walk from pod Shape. 15 00:01:09,001 --> 00:01:11,481 Speaker 5: So we're sitting here. We actually get into a five 16 00:01:11,481 --> 00:01:14,321 Speaker 5: minute chat with Brent which was actually pretty funny. 17 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,681 Speaker 2: Wow, you can't even pay to replay that. 18 00:01:17,961 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 5: And I forgot to hit the record button. It's recording now, so. 19 00:01:20,441 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: We've got yay, yeah Jay. 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 5: So what's today going to be about? Let's rehash what 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,961 Speaker 5: we just said off Mike. On Mike, We've got a 22 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 5: whole bunch of questions from listeners. We've got a whole 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,721 Speaker 5: bunch of mystery questions from me, which I know make 24 00:01:35,801 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 5: you a little bit anxious, a little bit nervous, but 25 00:01:40,041 --> 00:01:42,481 Speaker 5: one of the first questions I want to ask on that, right, 26 00:01:43,121 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 5: this podcast has been going for four years, it. 27 00:01:44,961 --> 00:01:48,681 Speaker 6: Has and for very successful years, for very successful years, 28 00:01:48,761 --> 00:01:50,601 Speaker 6: and I want to thank you, and I mean this 29 00:01:50,721 --> 00:01:54,001 Speaker 6: sincerely because you know, going back to our short five 30 00:01:54,001 --> 00:01:56,121 Speaker 6: minutes that we just missed out on, I did touch 31 00:01:56,121 --> 00:01:59,961 Speaker 6: on the fact that you know in podcasting, which you 32 00:02:00,321 --> 00:02:02,281 Speaker 6: know better than anybody else you've been in this game. 33 00:02:02,881 --> 00:02:04,721 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know anyone really that's been around as 34 00:02:04,761 --> 00:02:07,041 Speaker 2: long as yourself. And for those that don't know, JJ 35 00:02:07,241 --> 00:02:10,761 Speaker 2: has got a massive background in digital media and you know, 36 00:02:11,041 --> 00:02:13,521 Speaker 2: radio and all this sort of stuff. So I was 37 00:02:13,561 --> 00:02:17,361 Speaker 2: blessed to stumble across Jane. You know, we've had a 38 00:02:17,561 --> 00:02:22,641 Speaker 2: really good, open, transparent friendship and working relationship and it's 39 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,721 Speaker 2: always a little bit of an honor to sit down 40 00:02:24,921 --> 00:02:25,321 Speaker 2: with you. 41 00:02:25,641 --> 00:02:27,681 Speaker 5: We've also had some moments too though, like it's not 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 5: real procure, it was actually I want to tell the 43 00:02:30,761 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 5: story of how so actually first personally because there's a 44 00:02:33,841 --> 00:02:35,801 Speaker 5: question from a listener who I think might be a 45 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,321 Speaker 5: new listener, and we're always finding new listeners given you know, 46 00:02:39,561 --> 00:02:41,441 Speaker 5: you're doing lots of different shows, the one with Gary 47 00:02:41,481 --> 00:02:44,921 Speaker 5: recently jibbil and was great a couple of episodes and 48 00:02:45,081 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 5: you would find new listeners from there. He would find 49 00:02:46,841 --> 00:02:49,441 Speaker 5: new listeners from you. How did the click start? This 50 00:02:49,561 --> 00:02:51,321 Speaker 5: is a question from someone on Instagram. 51 00:02:51,441 --> 00:02:53,281 Speaker 2: Yeah, look like I was saying, I'm just going to 52 00:02:53,321 --> 00:02:57,801 Speaker 2: really simplify unpack it. I had been driving Semis around 53 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,161 Speaker 2: Australia for many, many years, living out of a truck 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,241 Speaker 2: three four, five, six weeks at a time on the road, 55 00:03:02,561 --> 00:03:04,801 Speaker 2: depending on what part of Australia and the weather and 56 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,641 Speaker 2: so on. COVID hit. It took a massive toll the 57 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,921 Speaker 2: industry mentally, physically. It just destroyed I think a lot 58 00:03:12,921 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: of a lot of operators out there. We got run 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,921 Speaker 2: into the ground and you know, anything to do with 60 00:03:18,041 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: time schedules and that sort of shit went out the window. 61 00:03:21,121 --> 00:03:24,521 Speaker 2: I got really unwell mentally, but I just kept pushing 62 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,561 Speaker 2: on and funny enough, had a conversation with that time 63 00:03:29,161 --> 00:03:33,481 Speaker 2: very good mate who is known as Willem Willum Powerfish. 64 00:03:33,601 --> 00:03:34,401 Speaker 5: It's been on the show. 65 00:03:34,481 --> 00:03:35,801 Speaker 2: He has been on the show. A bit of a 66 00:03:35,841 --> 00:03:41,281 Speaker 2: funny cunt County funt And anyway, moving forward, and if 67 00:03:41,281 --> 00:03:45,241 Speaker 2: you're listening out there, you're still a cockhead, but I 68 00:03:45,281 --> 00:03:45,841 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 69 00:03:46,081 --> 00:03:47,401 Speaker 5: I'm not going to ask about No. 70 00:03:47,441 --> 00:03:49,161 Speaker 2: I don't even edit it. I wanted to hear it. 71 00:03:49,601 --> 00:03:54,121 Speaker 2: Fuck you, Willem that aside. He said to me, why 72 00:03:54,121 --> 00:03:57,081 Speaker 2: don't you start a podcast? And I was like, well, 73 00:03:57,721 --> 00:03:59,921 Speaker 2: how one. I don't have the time too. I can't 74 00:03:59,961 --> 00:04:03,201 Speaker 2: afford it, like I just he said, mate, He said, 75 00:04:03,241 --> 00:04:05,961 Speaker 2: you know, you have a connection with so many people 76 00:04:05,961 --> 00:04:08,761 Speaker 2: of all different walks of life. You don't care about, 77 00:04:08,961 --> 00:04:11,081 Speaker 2: you know, how you come across. You're like you care, 78 00:04:11,161 --> 00:04:16,281 Speaker 2: but you're happy to speak openly. Anyway. I had that 79 00:04:16,441 --> 00:04:21,361 Speaker 2: stage and I say this very open and honestly, so please, 80 00:04:21,801 --> 00:04:25,201 Speaker 2: if this is truggering, I do apologize. But I had 81 00:04:25,241 --> 00:04:30,121 Speaker 2: all intentions of literally about to take my life at 82 00:04:30,121 --> 00:04:32,161 Speaker 2: that moment. I had pulled over at two o'clock in 83 00:04:32,161 --> 00:04:35,361 Speaker 2: the morning, and I was adamant that I was no 84 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: longer going to be here. So, you know, it's actually 85 00:04:39,121 --> 00:04:42,561 Speaker 2: a very touchy question because it holds a lot of weight. 86 00:04:43,401 --> 00:04:45,001 Speaker 2: But at the same time too, when I look back 87 00:04:45,041 --> 00:04:48,121 Speaker 2: four years and then come forward, I go, how proud 88 00:04:48,161 --> 00:04:50,001 Speaker 2: can I be to be sitting here right now having 89 00:04:50,001 --> 00:04:53,761 Speaker 2: this conversation answering this question. It is a very proud thing. 90 00:04:54,361 --> 00:04:57,041 Speaker 2: The Clink has been a savior of my life, and 91 00:04:57,081 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: I know that it's helped many, many, many others out there. 92 00:05:00,921 --> 00:05:03,681 Speaker 2: At that moment, I realized I needed to come up 93 00:05:03,681 --> 00:05:08,041 Speaker 2: with a better plan in life. Because inside of the 94 00:05:08,081 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: road at Kempsey the Freeway, it's pretty dark and no 95 00:05:11,241 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: one was gonna follow me, stop me, see me or anything. 96 00:05:15,161 --> 00:05:20,121 Speaker 2: At two am in the morning. That was the turning 97 00:05:20,161 --> 00:05:22,161 Speaker 2: point and a decision that had to be made. I 98 00:05:22,241 --> 00:05:26,121 Speaker 2: made the decision to look into it. Thank you Willem, 99 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,081 Speaker 2: because without Willem, it would never have started. He backed 100 00:05:30,081 --> 00:05:33,401 Speaker 2: me financially. When I say back me financially, he said 101 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,681 Speaker 2: to me, bro, just order what you need and just 102 00:05:35,721 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: promise me you'll make it the best you can be. 103 00:05:39,081 --> 00:05:43,801 Speaker 2: And to his credit, he just paid for this podcast 104 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,361 Speaker 2: unit and four years on the rest is history. So 105 00:05:48,961 --> 00:05:51,481 Speaker 2: all jokes aside. When I say fuck you will, that's 106 00:05:51,521 --> 00:05:53,001 Speaker 2: between me and you and I'll catch you on the 107 00:05:53,041 --> 00:05:56,721 Speaker 2: street one day. You know that. No, he's not that bad. 108 00:05:56,721 --> 00:05:59,001 Speaker 2: He hasn't done wrong by me by that, but I 109 00:05:59,121 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: do owe him a lot of gratitude. Yea, And yeah, 110 00:06:02,801 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: that's where it all began. The next step was product contact. 111 00:06:06,801 --> 00:06:10,121 Speaker 5: Do you text, you text our or your instagrammed out 112 00:06:10,241 --> 00:06:14,161 Speaker 5: our Instagram page pod shape And I remember, yeah, it 113 00:06:14,241 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 5: was one of you know how it comes up as 114 00:06:15,521 --> 00:06:17,881 Speaker 5: requests because I didn't know you, so yeah, and then 115 00:06:18,001 --> 00:06:20,081 Speaker 5: I hadn't seen it for a little while and then 116 00:06:20,121 --> 00:06:23,481 Speaker 5: I hit request and there's this dude called Brent who says, Hey, 117 00:06:23,921 --> 00:06:26,841 Speaker 5: I've got a I've got a podcast idea I want 118 00:06:26,921 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 5: and apparently you're the guy to talk to. 119 00:06:28,641 --> 00:06:30,241 Speaker 2: Well, I've been referred to you and I can't. 120 00:06:30,361 --> 00:06:30,801 Speaker 5: I look like. 121 00:06:32,481 --> 00:06:35,601 Speaker 2: And for the life of me can't. And I should 122 00:06:35,641 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: say thank you if you're still listening. And you remember 123 00:06:38,921 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: that text by saying to me someone in Melbourne or 124 00:06:41,641 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: someone I think it was, but they had said, get 125 00:06:44,561 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: on to this guy. He's been in this industry a 126 00:06:47,481 --> 00:06:53,041 Speaker 2: long time, nosy stuff. I had that chat so lo 127 00:06:53,201 --> 00:06:54,121 Speaker 2: and behold. 128 00:06:53,961 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, well I remember reading the text and and I 129 00:06:59,481 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 5: said to my wife, who's my business partner, I was like, 130 00:07:04,521 --> 00:07:08,241 Speaker 5: this guy once a minute talk about a podcast. I've 131 00:07:08,281 --> 00:07:12,561 Speaker 5: googled him and he's a he's an ex out all 132 00:07:12,721 --> 00:07:16,961 Speaker 5: motorcycle club guy with a with a colorful past. 133 00:07:18,081 --> 00:07:21,361 Speaker 2: And you're an arrogant prick. To be honest, I didn't 134 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:22,281 Speaker 2: feel like I was. 135 00:07:22,361 --> 00:07:24,481 Speaker 5: I was wasting my pants. 136 00:07:24,521 --> 00:07:28,201 Speaker 2: But I must admit I am forever grateful for the 137 00:07:28,241 --> 00:07:31,921 Speaker 2: way that we connected, because me being me had you 138 00:07:31,961 --> 00:07:34,321 Speaker 2: have just gone, oh yeah, cool mate, let's do it. 139 00:07:34,401 --> 00:07:36,201 Speaker 2: Let's do this. You know X amount of dollars blah 140 00:07:36,241 --> 00:07:38,601 Speaker 2: blah blah, and all revolved around monetary and it was 141 00:07:38,641 --> 00:07:42,281 Speaker 2: about glorification or you know, making numbers to make your 142 00:07:42,321 --> 00:07:45,561 Speaker 2: little brand bigger. And and I knew I had something 143 00:07:45,601 --> 00:07:48,361 Speaker 2: to offer, but I needed to have a team. The 144 00:07:48,441 --> 00:07:50,441 Speaker 2: team is you and I. We are the team, and 145 00:07:50,481 --> 00:07:53,841 Speaker 2: your beautiful wife, Katie, who's been phenomenal because I've had 146 00:07:53,881 --> 00:07:57,321 Speaker 2: the honor of being a part of Pod Shape. 147 00:07:56,721 --> 00:08:01,321 Speaker 5: From the start. We had two or three. 148 00:08:00,801 --> 00:08:04,881 Speaker 2: And one was already a success, which was your own 149 00:08:05,121 --> 00:08:07,561 Speaker 2: and it was phenomenal. And I was up against that, 150 00:08:07,601 --> 00:08:09,721 Speaker 2: and I was a little bit nervous because I thought, well, 151 00:08:09,721 --> 00:08:12,121 Speaker 2: hang on, this is your own baby. You know, I 152 00:08:12,121 --> 00:08:13,361 Speaker 2: want to be with you. I want to be the 153 00:08:13,401 --> 00:08:18,121 Speaker 2: best in the company. But Jay sort of brushed me off. 154 00:08:18,201 --> 00:08:20,321 Speaker 2: There was just like yeah, cool mate, I'm yeah. I 155 00:08:20,401 --> 00:08:22,161 Speaker 2: look in at it. It was like nothing. I was just 156 00:08:22,201 --> 00:08:25,481 Speaker 2: like I'll get back to NT. Yeah, a prick. 157 00:08:26,401 --> 00:08:28,961 Speaker 5: And I wasn't brushing you off because I was arrogant. 158 00:08:28,961 --> 00:08:30,641 Speaker 5: I was brushing off because I was shit scared. 159 00:08:31,121 --> 00:08:33,081 Speaker 2: Maybe you did the best thing you could have done, 160 00:08:33,121 --> 00:08:35,481 Speaker 2: because now when I sit back, I have so much 161 00:08:35,521 --> 00:08:38,321 Speaker 2: respect for you, because that's the sort of person I 162 00:08:38,361 --> 00:08:41,841 Speaker 2: wanted around me, someone would actually take a minute and think, 163 00:08:42,401 --> 00:08:44,321 Speaker 2: someone would actually put in a bit of effort to 164 00:08:44,401 --> 00:08:46,241 Speaker 2: work out who I was and what I was bringing 165 00:08:46,281 --> 00:08:49,281 Speaker 2: to the table. I didn't know you. You didn't know me. 166 00:08:49,441 --> 00:08:51,441 Speaker 2: You've just googled, and all of a sudden, you know, 167 00:08:51,801 --> 00:08:54,001 Speaker 2: I'm telling you that I've got this idea, and hey, yeah, 168 00:08:54,001 --> 00:08:55,921 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard it a thousand times before. I mean, 169 00:08:55,961 --> 00:08:58,561 Speaker 2: it's everyone wants to do a podcast, and at that stage, 170 00:08:58,961 --> 00:09:03,001 Speaker 2: the transitioning of podcasting was just starting to evolve. So 171 00:09:03,241 --> 00:09:06,001 Speaker 2: once again, another big tick for the clean and pod 172 00:09:06,081 --> 00:09:08,441 Speaker 2: shape that we're able to be here, which is you 173 00:09:08,521 --> 00:09:13,121 Speaker 2: know in this game a long time for Jay gets 174 00:09:13,121 --> 00:09:17,201 Speaker 2: back to me and I'm thinking, oh, okay, yeah mate, 175 00:09:17,201 --> 00:09:19,281 Speaker 2: I've had a look. Yeah, yeah, I reckon we might 176 00:09:19,281 --> 00:09:21,561 Speaker 2: be able to do something. It was it was very 177 00:09:21,641 --> 00:09:24,841 Speaker 2: blase and it was just like nothing to get excited, mate, 178 00:09:24,881 --> 00:09:26,281 Speaker 2: like show me something, give me. 179 00:09:27,561 --> 00:09:30,041 Speaker 5: It was funny. So I traveled out of the coast 180 00:09:30,081 --> 00:09:34,281 Speaker 5: and at that stage you had a studio at at 181 00:09:34,281 --> 00:09:35,561 Speaker 5: a surf brand and. 182 00:09:35,921 --> 00:09:37,281 Speaker 2: Mount would you would you rich it? 183 00:09:37,641 --> 00:09:41,081 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, And and I went in there and 184 00:09:41,481 --> 00:09:44,601 Speaker 5: meet you for the first time. And I remember saying 185 00:09:44,601 --> 00:09:46,201 Speaker 5: to my wife, you know, I'm going to meet him, 186 00:09:46,281 --> 00:09:49,721 Speaker 5: and she was like, are you sure, Like do you 187 00:09:49,721 --> 00:09:51,641 Speaker 5: want to take someone with you? Who the fuck am 188 00:09:51,641 --> 00:09:53,801 Speaker 5: I going to take? Who am I going to take? 189 00:09:53,881 --> 00:09:56,881 Speaker 5: It's going to be you know. Anyway, So we met 190 00:09:56,921 --> 00:09:59,641 Speaker 5: and the rest is history, and one hundred and ninety 191 00:09:59,681 --> 00:10:01,241 Speaker 5: seven guests later, Yeah, I believe. 192 00:10:01,281 --> 00:10:03,121 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're very closed. I mean we're over what at 193 00:10:03,201 --> 00:10:08,801 Speaker 2: four million plus down, So I mean, look, I'm going 194 00:10:08,881 --> 00:10:10,641 Speaker 2: to pump our tires up here because I think we 195 00:10:10,681 --> 00:10:13,321 Speaker 2: will deserve the pad on the back each And you know, 196 00:10:13,761 --> 00:10:17,161 Speaker 2: I'm grateful, blessed that you and Katie believed in what 197 00:10:17,201 --> 00:10:19,681 Speaker 2: my vision was an idea. And you know, for those 198 00:10:19,681 --> 00:10:23,081 Speaker 2: out there, this has never been about monetary with j 199 00:10:23,281 --> 00:10:25,441 Speaker 2: or Katie. And yes they run a company, and yes 200 00:10:25,601 --> 00:10:30,081 Speaker 2: this is a paid for podcast, but you know, people 201 00:10:30,121 --> 00:10:32,801 Speaker 2: have this perception that you have all these downloads, you 202 00:10:32,801 --> 00:10:35,561 Speaker 2: know you should be able to well, yeah, if you sensitize, 203 00:10:35,681 --> 00:10:38,201 Speaker 2: if you start to muck around with people's journeys. And 204 00:10:38,761 --> 00:10:41,241 Speaker 2: for me and I know that you also see it 205 00:10:41,281 --> 00:10:44,401 Speaker 2: in that way, for us to start to pull apart 206 00:10:44,481 --> 00:10:46,481 Speaker 2: someone's story, what right do we have to do that? 207 00:10:47,121 --> 00:10:49,481 Speaker 2: You know, you look at the traumas and then the 208 00:10:49,521 --> 00:10:51,761 Speaker 2: lives that our guests have lived and what they bring 209 00:10:51,801 --> 00:10:53,841 Speaker 2: to the table. No one has the right to touch that. 210 00:10:54,681 --> 00:10:57,761 Speaker 2: You know, it's a privilege to have them deliver their 211 00:10:57,801 --> 00:11:00,481 Speaker 2: story on our platform. It's a privilege for me to 212 00:11:00,561 --> 00:11:03,961 Speaker 2: interview them. So you know, for those out there that 213 00:11:04,081 --> 00:11:06,121 Speaker 2: have this perception around, I want to just say that 214 00:11:06,161 --> 00:11:07,961 Speaker 2: because there is always a lot of questions, Oh no, 215 00:11:08,161 --> 00:11:11,561 Speaker 2: you should be making you make fucking nothing. You make nothing. 216 00:11:12,001 --> 00:11:14,801 Speaker 2: And we are a podcast, we're not a YouTube channel, 217 00:11:15,081 --> 00:11:18,841 Speaker 2: although you can find certain moments and we are looking 218 00:11:18,841 --> 00:11:22,321 Speaker 2: into bringing you the video because everything is recorded in 219 00:11:22,361 --> 00:11:26,081 Speaker 2: both video and audio. But it is pure passion and belief. 220 00:11:26,601 --> 00:11:28,801 Speaker 2: And you know, once again it comes back to our guests. 221 00:11:29,561 --> 00:11:32,601 Speaker 5: Speaking of guests, one hundred ninety seven of them give 222 00:11:32,681 --> 00:11:35,441 Speaker 5: us without It is going to be tough, right, Yeah, 223 00:11:35,481 --> 00:11:38,561 Speaker 5: I know this is and so like, this is not 224 00:11:38,721 --> 00:11:40,841 Speaker 5: to say that the other guests you had on are 225 00:11:40,921 --> 00:11:43,721 Speaker 5: no good. It's just about what And it was a 226 00:11:43,801 --> 00:11:47,761 Speaker 5: question from Instagram from one of the listeners, what are 227 00:11:47,761 --> 00:11:50,361 Speaker 5: the most memorable ones for you? Over the last four. 228 00:11:50,241 --> 00:11:55,841 Speaker 2: Years, you know, I have had the blessing of interviewing 229 00:11:56,001 --> 00:11:59,481 Speaker 2: some of the most elite humans in this country, in 230 00:11:59,521 --> 00:12:03,201 Speaker 2: some in this world. I've had the privilege of interviewing 231 00:12:04,081 --> 00:12:07,801 Speaker 2: some people with story who's you know from ex Mafia, 232 00:12:09,241 --> 00:12:12,921 Speaker 2: you know, people looking at in America like thirty years 233 00:12:12,961 --> 00:12:16,921 Speaker 2: plus jail sentences. Then I've had athletes come on that, 234 00:12:17,121 --> 00:12:21,121 Speaker 2: you know, like the Maloney Twins, Dean Morrison's a really 235 00:12:21,241 --> 00:12:25,281 Speaker 2: beautiful story for me, because Dingo, I've known for a 236 00:12:25,281 --> 00:12:27,881 Speaker 2: long long time. If you want the true Ossie Butler, 237 00:12:28,121 --> 00:12:31,521 Speaker 2: you want somebody that's you know, literally had to struggle 238 00:12:31,921 --> 00:12:35,441 Speaker 2: and just fought to get to the top through pure 239 00:12:35,521 --> 00:12:39,361 Speaker 2: hard work, talent and you know, just and Dinga, I 240 00:12:39,401 --> 00:12:42,241 Speaker 2: love your mate and everything you stand for. You know, 241 00:12:42,361 --> 00:12:44,721 Speaker 2: the man, he's a wonderful dad. He's a good leader, 242 00:12:44,721 --> 00:12:48,481 Speaker 2: and he's a community you know, he's a Christian man 243 00:12:49,121 --> 00:12:54,361 Speaker 2: and he devoted his life to helping others, and when 244 00:12:54,401 --> 00:12:57,801 Speaker 2: he opened up about what he truly had gone through, 245 00:12:58,281 --> 00:13:03,281 Speaker 2: it was very, very emotional because I knew this man 246 00:13:03,961 --> 00:13:07,041 Speaker 2: and I knew that this man had a tough background, 247 00:13:07,161 --> 00:13:10,161 Speaker 2: but I didn't realize to what extent and he felt 248 00:13:10,201 --> 00:13:12,761 Speaker 2: comfortable enough as has and I must say to each 249 00:13:12,841 --> 00:13:14,961 Speaker 2: guess out there, I don't think there's a guest yet 250 00:13:15,001 --> 00:13:18,921 Speaker 2: that has come on that hasn't unpacked their bag. I 251 00:13:18,921 --> 00:13:21,881 Speaker 2: mean even to our last guest, Carly, you know, she 252 00:13:23,081 --> 00:13:25,441 Speaker 2: turn around the end she said, I've not spoken on 253 00:13:26,041 --> 00:13:30,281 Speaker 2: publicly about certain things in my life. Thank you, so 254 00:13:30,361 --> 00:13:31,841 Speaker 2: pretty well as every other guest. 255 00:13:31,681 --> 00:13:34,201 Speaker 5: So you think about it. There's been some phenomenal ones 256 00:13:34,321 --> 00:13:38,081 Speaker 5: like old time old timers. Killik is one. He was 257 00:13:38,121 --> 00:13:38,801 Speaker 5: our first ever. 258 00:13:39,241 --> 00:13:41,521 Speaker 2: We've had, you know, Bernie Matthews. Some of the most 259 00:13:41,601 --> 00:13:46,361 Speaker 2: notorious and I don't like to use the word criminal, 260 00:13:47,041 --> 00:13:51,001 Speaker 2: but the most notorious, Oh, you just got to use it. 261 00:13:51,161 --> 00:13:51,761 Speaker 5: They're criminals. 262 00:13:52,041 --> 00:13:58,921 Speaker 2: They's notorious in Australian history. You know. Some of the 263 00:13:59,001 --> 00:14:03,001 Speaker 2: people that we've had on are forever acched in Australian history, 264 00:14:03,041 --> 00:14:06,121 Speaker 2: if not world history, from things they've done. And that's 265 00:14:06,121 --> 00:14:08,641 Speaker 2: not glorifying by any means. The whole point of when 266 00:14:08,641 --> 00:14:12,201 Speaker 2: we started The Clink was stories of redemption, and I 267 00:14:12,281 --> 00:14:16,881 Speaker 2: believe we delivered that undoubtedly, and it just brought such 268 00:14:16,921 --> 00:14:20,721 Speaker 2: a big community of people who thought that they were 269 00:14:20,761 --> 00:14:25,601 Speaker 2: probably alone and not able to speak openly about you know, 270 00:14:26,081 --> 00:14:34,761 Speaker 2: sexual abuse, tild trafficking, physical abuse, just some of the 271 00:14:34,881 --> 00:14:39,321 Speaker 2: hardest hitting stories that you would ever hear have been 272 00:14:39,481 --> 00:14:42,201 Speaker 2: heard on The Clink. I mean, you know, some of 273 00:14:42,241 --> 00:14:46,241 Speaker 2: the women that we've had on and I look like 274 00:14:46,281 --> 00:14:48,561 Speaker 2: I could sit here and start talking names and it 275 00:14:48,601 --> 00:14:51,401 Speaker 2: won't be relevant to a lot of people because most 276 00:14:52,121 --> 00:14:53,921 Speaker 2: may have not have gone back to season one and 277 00:14:53,961 --> 00:14:56,961 Speaker 2: come through. So please do that. If you truly enjoyed 278 00:14:56,961 --> 00:15:01,161 Speaker 2: The Clink, go back and listen through. Be prepared to 279 00:15:01,241 --> 00:15:06,401 Speaker 2: be shocked and really really like emotion affected. And it's 280 00:15:07,081 --> 00:15:07,801 Speaker 2: I'm grateful. 281 00:15:08,521 --> 00:15:13,481 Speaker 5: There have been some amazing moments and you know, well, 282 00:15:13,561 --> 00:15:15,801 Speaker 5: when you're finding you know the way this works. If 283 00:15:15,801 --> 00:15:18,761 Speaker 5: anyone's interested in how it works behind the scenes, Brent 284 00:15:18,801 --> 00:15:20,921 Speaker 5: will often reach out to us. Well, Brent, Brent will 285 00:15:20,921 --> 00:15:23,001 Speaker 5: reach out to us. You know, your job in the 286 00:15:23,041 --> 00:15:25,961 Speaker 5: show is to obviously host the show. It's your it's 287 00:15:26,001 --> 00:15:28,921 Speaker 5: your podcast, and find guests right find guests that you're 288 00:15:29,481 --> 00:15:32,441 Speaker 5: interested in equally have a story to tell and that 289 00:15:32,521 --> 00:15:35,361 Speaker 5: you think you can show to other people that may 290 00:15:35,441 --> 00:15:40,721 Speaker 5: help them. There's a there's a couple. I want to 291 00:15:40,761 --> 00:15:43,841 Speaker 5: just quickly talk about the last six months for you 292 00:15:43,961 --> 00:15:45,521 Speaker 5: or twelve months, because it's been tough. 293 00:15:46,441 --> 00:15:46,721 Speaker 4: Yeah. 294 00:15:47,521 --> 00:15:52,441 Speaker 5: Yeah, and in particular about three people that have have 295 00:15:52,761 --> 00:15:59,081 Speaker 5: left the earth, one super recently that you knew that 296 00:15:59,201 --> 00:15:59,761 Speaker 5: passed away. 297 00:16:00,921 --> 00:16:04,921 Speaker 2: Yeah. And look, I just want to take this moment 298 00:16:05,081 --> 00:16:10,361 Speaker 2: and just honor Jackson Tippet because he was a young 299 00:16:10,441 --> 00:16:14,961 Speaker 2: man of thirty, but a wise man at that. So 300 00:16:15,281 --> 00:16:18,481 Speaker 2: to all his friends and family out there. And I 301 00:16:18,521 --> 00:16:21,201 Speaker 2: know this is quite raw. It's only just in the 302 00:16:21,281 --> 00:16:26,481 Speaker 2: last sort of week. Really, he's passing. I truly believe 303 00:16:27,081 --> 00:16:32,001 Speaker 2: we'll leave an amazing legacy. There will be some some 304 00:16:32,041 --> 00:16:40,601 Speaker 2: really beautiful things that will evolve from something tragic. I 305 00:16:39,801 --> 00:16:43,401 Speaker 2: he he always wanted to be on the clink, if 306 00:16:43,441 --> 00:16:45,801 Speaker 2: I can be really honest, and it just Jackson Vine 307 00:16:45,801 --> 00:16:48,161 Speaker 2: and Jackson trying to get the man to lockdown and 308 00:16:48,201 --> 00:16:51,721 Speaker 2: stand still was always hard. I think it's a couple 309 00:16:51,761 --> 00:16:54,041 Speaker 2: of times there where he didn't did a no show, honest, 310 00:16:55,401 --> 00:16:58,721 Speaker 2: but he was also one that would ring me in 311 00:16:58,761 --> 00:17:02,121 Speaker 2: the most random hours whilst once again I was driving 312 00:17:02,201 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 2: trucks around Australia and in some deep dark places, and 313 00:17:06,681 --> 00:17:08,841 Speaker 2: he pulled me out of it, you know, And I'm 314 00:17:08,881 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 2: forever grateful for those moments. And you know, he really 315 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: touched a lot of people in a beautiful way for 316 00:17:16,681 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: a thirty year old man. You know, I just, yeah, 317 00:17:21,201 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: the worlds are going to be a sort of a 318 00:17:24,321 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: worse a place for not having him here, because he 319 00:17:26,441 --> 00:17:28,961 Speaker 2: did inspire and he did bring a lot of joy 320 00:17:29,001 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 2: to a lot of people through his words and actions. 321 00:17:31,961 --> 00:17:35,801 Speaker 5: Less than two weeks before he passed. Ye, another mate, 322 00:17:35,921 --> 00:17:36,681 Speaker 5: it don't just rest. 323 00:17:37,801 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: Another beautiful brother whom I've known now for shit twenty 324 00:17:42,761 --> 00:17:48,441 Speaker 2: years plus, and he went missing. I spent three days, 325 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,561 Speaker 2: day and night basically searching for him. To really get 326 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: to the back end of that and realize that I 327 00:17:57,241 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: was more or less looking for my mate's body, which 328 00:18:01,681 --> 00:18:07,841 Speaker 2: was very hard to swallow, but insane that it had 329 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: to be done. And you know, there was only a 330 00:18:10,721 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: few of us out there that actually physically were on 331 00:18:13,241 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: the ground. You know, a lot of people on the 332 00:18:16,041 --> 00:18:20,321 Speaker 2: phones and you know, messaging in and I guess communicating 333 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,801 Speaker 2: from that way because they couldn't physically be there, and 334 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,001 Speaker 2: that was great, but you know, there was only a 335 00:18:26,041 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 2: handful of us that were physically out there that could 336 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:31,321 Speaker 2: actually understand the depths that we were going to find 337 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:38,801 Speaker 2: Jeffy and sadly his body was found and yeah, he 338 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,241 Speaker 2: had passed, so that was an accident. We had a 339 00:18:43,281 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: beautiful send off for him Saturday last where we had 340 00:18:48,481 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 2: a paddle out at Criminally and we got to spread 341 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,481 Speaker 2: his ashes, and his partner and his beautiful little boy 342 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,281 Speaker 2: Lucky were there and it was a really big community thing, 343 00:18:59,321 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty of us. It's on my 344 00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:03,561 Speaker 2: Instagram page if you here to take a look at 345 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: the beautiful moment that it was. And I was honored 346 00:19:06,481 --> 00:19:09,841 Speaker 2: to be able to hold his ashes and release him 347 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: to the ocean, and it was a it was a 348 00:19:13,201 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 2: powerful moment. I'll just quickly touch on it because for me, 349 00:19:15,761 --> 00:19:21,241 Speaker 2: it's it was a very beautiful wave seeing him off 350 00:19:21,481 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: and knowing that he was there. 351 00:19:23,441 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 5: It was a flat day. 352 00:19:25,201 --> 00:19:28,041 Speaker 2: We're in a big circle and this little washed through 353 00:19:28,281 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 2: sort of set started rolling in this one wave. He 354 00:19:31,481 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 2: was a goofy foot. I'm goofy foot and this wave 355 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,001 Speaker 2: breaks at Criminaley, and it's not really a spot where 356 00:19:38,041 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: we were where the wave would break, and this Pete 357 00:19:42,961 --> 00:19:45,001 Speaker 2: just came in and I looked around and it's like 358 00:19:45,041 --> 00:19:47,041 Speaker 2: everyone's cheering, and you know, we're all just sort of 359 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,001 Speaker 2: it's about Jeff Wing. Fuck this this is for me. 360 00:19:50,721 --> 00:19:53,321 Speaker 2: And I turned and I paddled and I was literally 361 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: the first person up on the wave at that moment 362 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,801 Speaker 2: that we released his ashes and you know, two nice 363 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,241 Speaker 2: little carving turns and just got to surf this wave 364 00:20:04,281 --> 00:20:07,241 Speaker 2: on pretty well my own. And I took that as 365 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:13,561 Speaker 2: just him saying thanks, brother, and you always fucking get 366 00:20:13,561 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 2: me emotional preck it was. 367 00:20:16,481 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 5: It was. 368 00:20:16,921 --> 00:20:18,761 Speaker 2: It was a really tough couple of weeks for me 369 00:20:18,921 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: because I was so invested in finding him and I 370 00:20:22,281 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: wasn't able to get closure, knowing he's always there to 371 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: have a surf with, have a chat too, And it 372 00:20:29,521 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 2: was a beautiful, beautiful moment and it was such a 373 00:20:32,721 --> 00:20:35,761 Speaker 2: really unified send off that he deserved. 374 00:20:36,761 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 5: So. Yeah, and then literally six months ago, or it 375 00:20:40,321 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 5: might be longer, you know, pardon me not knowing the 376 00:20:43,761 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 5: exact time, but then Russ Russell mansa. 377 00:20:46,561 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Russ was a guest on our show. You know 378 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: I'd known Russ well over twenty years, very very well, 379 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 2: and you know he'd been there for me in some 380 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:03,041 Speaker 2: some tough times in the years gone by. We've both 381 00:21:03,041 --> 00:21:05,361 Speaker 2: seen the good and the bad of each other, knew 382 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: each other so very well. But once again, to lose 383 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,521 Speaker 2: another person that was bringing such a big positive swing 384 00:21:14,801 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 2: and shift in the space he was working in, you know, 385 00:21:17,441 --> 00:21:21,961 Speaker 2: around that institutional essay, Actually, fuck it, I can say it. 386 00:21:22,001 --> 00:21:24,281 Speaker 2: I'm want sexual abuse. This is my podcast. We're not 387 00:21:24,321 --> 00:21:28,321 Speaker 2: on Instagram or Facebook, so you know he brought to 388 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:32,041 Speaker 2: the table and opened up doors that many talked about 389 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,441 Speaker 2: but few did you know, So look, I now they 390 00:21:37,001 --> 00:21:40,601 Speaker 2: really terrible loss of somebody who had a massive impact 391 00:21:41,441 --> 00:21:45,121 Speaker 2: on people and bettering the lives of others. 392 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 5: How has your mental health given those three men that 393 00:21:51,521 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 5: we've just spoken of for different circumstances and we won't 394 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 5: go into them. Every time that happens has got to 395 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,321 Speaker 5: take a toll on you. And I know you are bipolar, 396 00:22:02,521 --> 00:22:03,761 Speaker 5: You've talked about that. 397 00:22:03,761 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: Openly diagnosed with PTSD top two bipolar and ADHD makes 398 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: a lot of sense to him. 399 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 5: If you have a conversation with him on the phone. Ever, 400 00:22:13,961 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 5: you'll know what that's like. 401 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,401 Speaker 2: I just get follow my weird and wacky Instagram story. 402 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,041 Speaker 5: But how do you try and keep a level and 403 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,721 Speaker 5: not get back to that moment? 404 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll always live with suicidality. It's something that until 405 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: you it is an illnest because it's always in the 406 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,161 Speaker 2: back of your mind. With me personally, I think when 407 00:22:38,201 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 2: I look in the eyes of my children, especially, I 408 00:22:41,481 --> 00:22:43,561 Speaker 2: can't give them that life sentence and to me, that's 409 00:22:43,561 --> 00:22:46,321 Speaker 2: what you're doing. So while I'm conscious of it and 410 00:22:46,441 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: able to make a conscious decision, I'm safe. Those thoughts 411 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,921 Speaker 2: are definitely there and it takes me to some really 412 00:22:55,001 --> 00:22:59,561 Speaker 2: dark places. It's the moment that you lose control and 413 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: it gets so so hard because you do hit a 414 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 2: final line where it could go either way, and those 415 00:23:07,481 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: thoughts become a numbing blank. It's just a tunnel vision 416 00:23:10,921 --> 00:23:14,281 Speaker 2: of darkness. And you don't want to burden people. You 417 00:23:14,281 --> 00:23:15,801 Speaker 2: don't want to reach out, you don't want to talk 418 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,721 Speaker 2: to me. When to be honest with you, I'm not 419 00:23:17,721 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: going to lie and sity and pump it up. Ninety 420 00:23:19,921 --> 00:23:22,281 Speaker 2: nine percent of people are full of fucking shit. I'll 421 00:23:22,281 --> 00:23:25,041 Speaker 2: all tell you. I gotcha year there, bro, I'm now mate, 422 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,481 Speaker 2: you fucking nowhere. You are nowhere. There would be one 423 00:23:28,521 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 2: percent of people that I have in my phone that 424 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,161 Speaker 2: genuinely will ring me and say how are you brother? 425 00:23:34,321 --> 00:23:38,761 Speaker 2: Or are you all good? One hundred That is how 426 00:23:38,801 --> 00:23:43,001 Speaker 2: it is. So all these wonderful educational days based around 427 00:23:43,001 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: the are you okays and novem punch it all up 428 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,321 Speaker 2: your ass means nothing. As someone who's a survivor, as 429 00:23:49,321 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 2: someone who has lost people to suicide, as someone who 430 00:23:52,281 --> 00:23:55,321 Speaker 2: lives with suicidality and has lived with mental health for 431 00:23:55,801 --> 00:23:58,601 Speaker 2: just about all my life due to traumas being sexually abused, 432 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: physically abused, you know, abandonment, all that sort of stuff. 433 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 2: I truly believe we as humans need to step up 434 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 2: a little bit more, take a little bit more ownership 435 00:24:09,681 --> 00:24:13,121 Speaker 2: and actually put our words into action rather than talk 436 00:24:13,201 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: shit just because of a circumstance or somebody's just passed, 437 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,321 Speaker 2: or oh yeah, I'm always here for now you're fucking not. 438 00:24:20,561 --> 00:24:23,721 Speaker 2: So stop saying it, everybody out there, Stop talking shit 439 00:24:23,961 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: and actually act on it. Pick up the phone. Jeffrey 440 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,761 Speaker 2: Morgan made a really good point the other day, him 441 00:24:29,761 --> 00:24:32,321 Speaker 2: and Jeremy Donovan, and I love you both, brothers, that 442 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:36,801 Speaker 2: always been there and checking in. Get your phone, flick it, 443 00:24:37,681 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: hit it. Everybody's in your phone book for a purpose. 444 00:24:40,441 --> 00:24:42,161 Speaker 2: You put that number in there for some reason. Whatever 445 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,321 Speaker 2: the reason may be, that person's there because you chose 446 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 2: to put that person there. Just hit it, let it 447 00:24:47,001 --> 00:24:49,681 Speaker 2: ring and just say hey, just wanted to say, hey, 448 00:24:49,681 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 2: you go on checking in on your AOK. Make that 449 00:24:53,001 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: conscious effort, because they're the moments that matter, and you 450 00:24:56,761 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: just don't know that you won't hit that button, And 451 00:24:59,561 --> 00:25:02,281 Speaker 2: it might be that that person needed to hear that 452 00:25:02,321 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: at that precise moment because all the bullshit and all 453 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,041 Speaker 2: the carry on about yeah I gotcha, no you're not, 454 00:25:08,241 --> 00:25:12,681 Speaker 2: you don't. It's fucking me against the world, and when 455 00:25:12,681 --> 00:25:15,681 Speaker 2: push comes to show, no one actually gives two fucks. 456 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,801 Speaker 2: Everyone's too busy in their own world, in their own lives. 457 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 2: The best thing I ever got out of bike clubs 458 00:25:22,521 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: was back in the old days, when you're a noun 459 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,281 Speaker 2: or a prospect. If your phone didn't answer, you got 460 00:25:28,321 --> 00:25:31,521 Speaker 2: fucking reprimanded for it. Whether you got punch in the head, 461 00:25:31,561 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: whether you've got a fine, whatever it might be. It 462 00:25:34,281 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 2: might be just extra bar dudies might be who whatever 463 00:25:36,761 --> 00:25:39,241 Speaker 2: there was a consequence for you not answering your phone 464 00:25:39,281 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 2: twenty four to seven, that phone would be on and 465 00:25:41,921 --> 00:25:44,441 Speaker 2: you'd be expected to pick that phone up at any hour. 466 00:25:44,561 --> 00:25:46,801 Speaker 2: And what was that about, Well, just making sure you 467 00:25:46,801 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: were there for your brother. Yeah, simple, your brother needs you. 468 00:25:50,561 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 2: If your brother calls, you answer. So that's embedded in me, 469 00:25:55,041 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: you know, thirty plus years of my life. That's one 470 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: thing I'm proud to say that you can call my 471 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: number twenty four to seven, it will always answer. And 472 00:26:04,441 --> 00:26:06,761 Speaker 2: if I don't answ that precise I guarantee you within 473 00:26:06,801 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: three to four minutes of me getting that phone, I 474 00:26:09,281 --> 00:26:11,961 Speaker 2: will ring you back or communicate in some way, shape 475 00:26:12,041 --> 00:26:16,761 Speaker 2: or form with you. That to me is what it's 476 00:26:16,801 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: about being real, you know, you just I know we 477 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,241 Speaker 2: all should turn our phones off and think about you know, okay, 478 00:26:24,241 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: well let's just tone it down, and yes we should. 479 00:26:28,281 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 2: But in the world we live in today, that could 480 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,801 Speaker 2: cost someone's life. And that's how I look at it. 481 00:26:35,761 --> 00:26:37,241 Speaker 2: So there's your answer to my mental health. But I'm 482 00:26:37,241 --> 00:26:42,001 Speaker 2: feeling good today. So jeers, there's the flip. 483 00:26:41,761 --> 00:26:44,281 Speaker 5: Side of the Bible. Yeah, it is right, like because 484 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,921 Speaker 5: it can be like the world's ending. And then yeah, well, 485 00:26:47,961 --> 00:26:48,761 Speaker 5: I mean it's okay. 486 00:26:48,921 --> 00:26:53,361 Speaker 2: You know, God, you've seen me hit bottom, bounce bottom, 487 00:26:53,441 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: bounce bottom, bounce low man in four years, the amount 488 00:26:57,481 --> 00:26:58,441 Speaker 2: of hurdles. 489 00:26:58,041 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 5: And the amount of times I've had the conversation with 490 00:27:00,521 --> 00:27:02,201 Speaker 5: you to go, mate, I'm over it. I'm done. I'm 491 00:27:02,201 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 5: not doing the podcast anymore. Yeah, I fucking can't do 492 00:27:04,721 --> 00:27:08,561 Speaker 5: it. It's too hard. And then I we we normally take 493 00:27:08,561 --> 00:27:13,321 Speaker 5: a breath and then I'll call you back and hey, dude, 494 00:27:13,761 --> 00:27:16,001 Speaker 5: you really want to do this, like you have. 495 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: Been amazing, And as I said, you know, not just 496 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: as a business sense, but as a genuine person, as 497 00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:23,801 Speaker 2: a true mate, And you are one of those one 498 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: percent that will pick up that phone. And I know 499 00:27:26,241 --> 00:27:30,281 Speaker 2: that you you now sense, you feel, you see you act, 500 00:27:31,481 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 2: and I love you for that. And you know, as 501 00:27:33,441 --> 00:27:35,281 Speaker 2: I said, there's only a few other people out there 502 00:27:35,481 --> 00:27:40,641 Speaker 2: that implement those actions. And you know, like I said, 503 00:27:40,721 --> 00:27:45,121 Speaker 2: Jeremiah Donovan, Jeff Morgan, you know there's a couple other 504 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:50,801 Speaker 2: boys out there too, and outside of that, it doesn't happen. 505 00:27:51,321 --> 00:27:54,041 Speaker 2: So you know, from a point of view like this 506 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 2: has not been easy. Four years of podcasting, and for 507 00:27:57,201 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: anybody out there that feels it. Just getting in and 508 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,281 Speaker 2: having this chat is easy. You're kidding yourself. Especially in 509 00:28:03,321 --> 00:28:05,481 Speaker 2: this space, we take on so much much of other 510 00:28:05,481 --> 00:28:09,321 Speaker 2: people's energies. We feel you've got to be compassionate. You've 511 00:28:09,321 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: got to have you know, feelings and empathy for the 512 00:28:12,961 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: guests you count. Could You're not. I couldn't genuinely do 513 00:28:16,041 --> 00:28:18,801 Speaker 2: what I do and be in this space under this 514 00:28:19,321 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: banner of you know, redemption or you know, hearing people's 515 00:28:24,241 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 2: true hearted stories if I wasn't consciously feeling. 516 00:28:29,521 --> 00:28:31,521 Speaker 5: You take it with you right, you have to. 517 00:28:31,561 --> 00:28:33,641 Speaker 2: And that's on top of your own stuff. So when 518 00:28:33,681 --> 00:28:37,321 Speaker 2: shit goes down and your own stuff ain't good, this 519 00:28:37,481 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: just comes out of the woodworks and starts to stack up, 520 00:28:39,961 --> 00:28:42,481 Speaker 2: and everyone talks about you know, your cup always full. 521 00:28:43,121 --> 00:28:46,161 Speaker 2: Your cup's pretty well full ninety percent of the time. 522 00:28:46,281 --> 00:28:48,841 Speaker 2: You know, it's rare I get that ten percent to 523 00:28:48,921 --> 00:28:52,921 Speaker 2: actually step back and go, ah, it's a good week. 524 00:28:53,001 --> 00:28:55,841 Speaker 2: I might get a good day in and that that's okay. 525 00:28:56,201 --> 00:28:58,521 Speaker 2: But I'd love to have a good week, a great month, 526 00:28:59,201 --> 00:29:02,601 Speaker 2: you know, and just completely be at ease, not feel 527 00:29:02,681 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: tense in the jaw or stress or wondering and you know, 528 00:29:06,081 --> 00:29:11,201 Speaker 2: not getting sleep and just always worrying about my children, 529 00:29:11,561 --> 00:29:14,881 Speaker 2: my situation with my court cases. You know, we're going 530 00:29:14,921 --> 00:29:19,041 Speaker 2: to five and a half years that I'm still fighting 531 00:29:19,081 --> 00:29:23,841 Speaker 2: court cases, you know, and that's a whole new conversation 532 00:29:23,961 --> 00:29:25,801 Speaker 2: next year because that'll hit the media and it'll be 533 00:29:25,881 --> 00:29:27,801 Speaker 2: high profile and always so you know, there's a lot 534 00:29:27,841 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: of other ship to deal with. Then you know you're 535 00:29:29,521 --> 00:29:32,321 Speaker 2: judged again. People start pulling you apart, ah yen, But 536 00:29:32,441 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: you don't know the background, you don't know the story. 537 00:29:34,521 --> 00:29:36,761 Speaker 2: You only see what you see now, and you've just 538 00:29:36,801 --> 00:29:39,401 Speaker 2: come across me. So therefore, oh, he's that guy that 539 00:29:39,441 --> 00:29:41,321 Speaker 2: does the podcast. All that's that bloke that I see 540 00:29:41,321 --> 00:29:43,041 Speaker 2: on his score he's fuck, I'm what addict. 541 00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:46,161 Speaker 5: It's a great headline, right, It's a great you know, and. 542 00:29:46,121 --> 00:29:48,001 Speaker 2: You see it each time, mate, because you've been around 543 00:29:48,081 --> 00:29:49,841 Speaker 2: long enough. Every time I had to go to court, 544 00:29:49,841 --> 00:29:53,041 Speaker 2: it's another grab. Great for the podcast. Thanks media, we 545 00:29:53,161 --> 00:29:56,641 Speaker 2: love you. But you know, punch it up your ass. 546 00:29:56,801 --> 00:30:00,081 Speaker 2: It's sort of it's it's not easy. 547 00:29:59,921 --> 00:30:01,841 Speaker 5: And we've made the choice in this episode not to 548 00:30:01,841 --> 00:30:05,281 Speaker 5: talk about that because and so it's not about hiding 549 00:30:05,321 --> 00:30:07,841 Speaker 5: from it's just saying it's an ongoing court case, and 550 00:30:07,921 --> 00:30:09,561 Speaker 5: it would make no sense to talk about it in 551 00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:13,641 Speaker 5: this forum. Let's light the move bit. My question is, 552 00:30:13,921 --> 00:30:15,841 Speaker 5: and it's going to take you back to the the 553 00:30:15,921 --> 00:30:18,321 Speaker 5: outlaw motorcycle days. I'd try not to call you a 554 00:30:18,321 --> 00:30:20,561 Speaker 5: bike anymore because you don't like that word. 555 00:30:20,681 --> 00:30:23,681 Speaker 2: No, I think it's but people know what it is. 556 00:30:25,241 --> 00:30:28,921 Speaker 5: Was there ever a time because from what I understand, 557 00:30:28,961 --> 00:30:31,521 Speaker 5: and I don't know enough about your background, and I've 558 00:30:31,561 --> 00:30:32,601 Speaker 5: never really don't. 559 00:30:32,441 --> 00:30:33,601 Speaker 2: Talk a lot about it. 560 00:30:33,241 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 5: It's just how it is who you were but not 561 00:30:36,041 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 5: who you are. 562 00:30:36,721 --> 00:30:38,601 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I won't speak about it. 563 00:30:39,441 --> 00:30:42,641 Speaker 5: But was there ever a time you walked into a 564 00:30:42,721 --> 00:30:47,921 Speaker 5: place where you were scared? In those days? 565 00:30:48,641 --> 00:30:55,441 Speaker 2: Scared? Not really scared because it was always a how 566 00:30:55,441 --> 00:30:58,841 Speaker 2: going I say this without it being taken out of context? 567 00:30:58,961 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: Shoot first, talk later, if that makes sense. And for 568 00:31:05,801 --> 00:31:08,641 Speaker 2: you media fuckers, don't use that shit. 569 00:31:08,561 --> 00:31:11,561 Speaker 5: Against me, because this is we're talking old school, we're 570 00:31:11,561 --> 00:31:13,201 Speaker 5: talking history. 571 00:31:13,561 --> 00:31:17,841 Speaker 2: So yeah, look, I think I think the worst fear 572 00:31:17,921 --> 00:31:21,561 Speaker 2: that you could have is going to front your own 573 00:31:21,601 --> 00:31:28,081 Speaker 2: committee over trivial issues or political issues within your club. 574 00:31:29,321 --> 00:31:30,561 Speaker 5: What's a trivial issue? 575 00:31:30,841 --> 00:31:37,881 Speaker 2: Ah, Look, hypothetically I lank your ten grand or five grand. 576 00:31:38,801 --> 00:31:40,761 Speaker 2: You were going to pay it back to me. Where brothers, 577 00:31:41,121 --> 00:31:43,841 Speaker 2: you keep your word, you pay the money. You know, 578 00:31:43,921 --> 00:31:45,841 Speaker 2: you give me dribs and drabs. I'll see you out 579 00:31:45,841 --> 00:31:48,481 Speaker 2: there living it up basically. You know, it's a slap 580 00:31:48,481 --> 00:31:52,561 Speaker 2: in the face. I'm getting pissed off. You don't give 581 00:31:52,561 --> 00:31:55,881 Speaker 2: a fuck, you know. Well that's not how that's not 582 00:31:55,921 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: how it works, you know. So we bring it to 583 00:31:57,721 --> 00:32:00,521 Speaker 2: the table, we get it out, put it on the table. 584 00:32:00,641 --> 00:32:04,601 Speaker 2: So trivial as in in a brotherhood. 585 00:32:05,521 --> 00:32:07,881 Speaker 5: Shit, yep, disrespect. 586 00:32:08,201 --> 00:32:10,601 Speaker 2: Well it is disrespect if that was the situation, you 587 00:32:10,721 --> 00:32:13,961 Speaker 2: disrespecting your brother, you know, so naturally you'd be wrong 588 00:32:13,961 --> 00:32:15,801 Speaker 2: if you weren't getting pissed off about it. But things 589 00:32:15,961 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: need to be dealt in a certain way, and you 590 00:32:18,521 --> 00:32:23,401 Speaker 2: know a lot of I guess or there's structure and 591 00:32:23,481 --> 00:32:24,921 Speaker 2: rules and all that sort of things. You don't put 592 00:32:24,921 --> 00:32:28,081 Speaker 2: your hand on another brother. I mean, I remember a 593 00:32:28,121 --> 00:32:30,841 Speaker 2: funny story where I leaned across the bar and I 594 00:32:30,881 --> 00:32:33,241 Speaker 2: was a sergeant at one stage, and my younger brother 595 00:32:33,321 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: was coming through and yeah, I won't go into too 596 00:32:36,481 --> 00:32:39,801 Speaker 2: much depth, but he disrespected me. So instead of asking questions, 597 00:32:39,881 --> 00:32:41,801 Speaker 2: I just reached across the bar and just put one 598 00:32:41,801 --> 00:32:45,321 Speaker 2: on his jaw. Well, I got reprimanded for that. What 599 00:32:45,401 --> 00:32:47,161 Speaker 2: we're commonly known as black eyed. 600 00:32:47,241 --> 00:32:49,121 Speaker 5: So that's black eyed. 601 00:32:49,281 --> 00:32:51,881 Speaker 2: Well you just stand there and get this by the 602 00:32:51,961 --> 00:32:55,961 Speaker 2: seniority of you know, whoever was dealing with, obviously the sergeant. 603 00:32:55,681 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 5: At that stage, and you just take it. 604 00:32:58,361 --> 00:33:00,241 Speaker 2: You just got to take it. You stand there and 605 00:33:00,281 --> 00:33:02,641 Speaker 2: you get black eyed. So you get punched in a 606 00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:05,881 Speaker 2: certain certain way to black eye you, so that everybody 607 00:33:05,881 --> 00:33:08,321 Speaker 2: knows that you've done wrong. 608 00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:10,841 Speaker 5: One punch or many punches. 609 00:33:10,521 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: No, no, no, just the one. So usually you get that. 610 00:33:14,841 --> 00:33:16,521 Speaker 2: It's just about to say, you get the older boys 611 00:33:16,521 --> 00:33:18,041 Speaker 2: that have done a few black eyes, that have been 612 00:33:18,041 --> 00:33:19,761 Speaker 2: in that position, and they know where to hit, and 613 00:33:19,881 --> 00:33:22,961 Speaker 2: it's just quick, fast, and you end up with the 614 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:24,721 Speaker 2: black eye. That's just the way it goes. 615 00:33:25,001 --> 00:33:28,601 Speaker 5: So although you're the sergeant at arms and there's a 616 00:33:28,641 --> 00:33:32,841 Speaker 5: young guy who's giving your shit across the bar, you're 617 00:33:32,921 --> 00:33:34,121 Speaker 5: still in the wrong from touch. 618 00:33:34,001 --> 00:33:36,041 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. You're never bigger than the club. The 619 00:33:36,041 --> 00:33:37,801 Speaker 2: club will always be bigger than you. So it doesn't 620 00:33:37,801 --> 00:33:39,721 Speaker 2: matter what position you're in, doesn't matter whether you're just 621 00:33:39,761 --> 00:33:41,921 Speaker 2: another member or whether you're a president, or a national. 622 00:33:42,241 --> 00:33:45,961 Speaker 2: The club will always always be bigger than the member. 623 00:33:47,721 --> 00:33:50,241 Speaker 2: And truly, if anybody thinks that they're wearing a patch 624 00:33:50,281 --> 00:33:52,001 Speaker 2: and they're going to outdoor a club, you're kidding yourself 625 00:33:52,001 --> 00:33:54,361 Speaker 2: because I can tell you now the club will always win. 626 00:33:55,801 --> 00:34:01,641 Speaker 5: What's the and you might have to talk hypothetically here, Ah, 627 00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:06,321 Speaker 5: what's the most amount of money someone you know is 628 00:34:06,361 --> 00:34:07,601 Speaker 5: held in your hand? 629 00:34:08,001 --> 00:34:15,201 Speaker 2: Ah? It was alleged, alleged, alleged to be somewhere where 630 00:34:15,241 --> 00:34:18,041 Speaker 2: there was you know, somewhere in the vicinity of three 631 00:34:18,041 --> 00:34:19,841 Speaker 2: to four million. 632 00:34:22,121 --> 00:34:25,521 Speaker 5: Three millia bucks. Okay, three round, three to. 633 00:34:25,481 --> 00:34:31,121 Speaker 2: Four apparently, I don't know what, just an allegation. 634 00:34:30,761 --> 00:34:33,521 Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's talking hypothetically if 635 00:34:33,561 --> 00:34:36,521 Speaker 5: this three or four million bucks was in what's that? 636 00:34:36,681 --> 00:34:38,481 Speaker 5: Is that in a room? Or is that in a 637 00:34:38,521 --> 00:34:40,041 Speaker 5: boot of a car? How big. 638 00:34:41,441 --> 00:34:44,321 Speaker 2: Sports bag? Generally? But the thing is you've got you've 639 00:34:44,321 --> 00:34:47,401 Speaker 2: got to think about it. Back in the days, and 640 00:34:47,521 --> 00:34:49,521 Speaker 2: for the many of you out there that don't really know, 641 00:34:49,961 --> 00:34:52,721 Speaker 2: we is to have the Gray nurses, which was the 642 00:34:52,761 --> 00:34:56,361 Speaker 2: big paper one hundred dollars bills, So you know, if 643 00:34:56,441 --> 00:34:59,561 Speaker 2: you had one hundred grand of them stacked, you had 644 00:34:59,601 --> 00:35:02,481 Speaker 2: some stacks. You know, if you put it into context 645 00:35:02,481 --> 00:35:06,161 Speaker 2: of today's size of money in the and tiny it is, 646 00:35:06,241 --> 00:35:08,081 Speaker 2: one hundred grand doesn't look much at all. You can 647 00:35:08,121 --> 00:35:11,281 Speaker 2: pretty much carry in the open palms of your hands 648 00:35:11,281 --> 00:35:14,841 Speaker 2: fifty k in each hand. Wow, had that by ten? 649 00:35:14,921 --> 00:35:19,481 Speaker 2: It's not that big a bag. No, But back in 650 00:35:19,521 --> 00:35:23,201 Speaker 2: the day when money was a little bit different, it's 651 00:35:23,241 --> 00:35:26,161 Speaker 2: stacked up a lot on the table. Yes, from what I. 652 00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:30,961 Speaker 5: Was told that, that was a question from a listener. 653 00:35:31,001 --> 00:35:34,281 Speaker 5: So that wasn't my question, and so that was my 654 00:35:34,361 --> 00:35:37,361 Speaker 5: answer from another perspective, from someone else's perspective, that's not 655 00:35:37,401 --> 00:35:42,921 Speaker 5: you one hundred percent. If you could have told your 656 00:35:43,361 --> 00:35:48,721 Speaker 5: sixteen year old self what your life is going to 657 00:35:48,801 --> 00:35:51,001 Speaker 5: be like, what advice would you've given? 658 00:35:51,361 --> 00:35:53,681 Speaker 2: What advice? No, Honestly, I'm going to say this and 659 00:35:53,721 --> 00:35:55,561 Speaker 2: people are going to take what they want from it. 660 00:35:55,601 --> 00:35:58,361 Speaker 2: But I don't think I would have given myself any advice, Jay, 661 00:35:58,441 --> 00:36:04,241 Speaker 2: because put aside the negatives of just the life that 662 00:36:04,281 --> 00:36:07,081 Speaker 2: I've lived, you know, the past sort of catching up 663 00:36:07,121 --> 00:36:11,521 Speaker 2: with you. In reference to court cases ongoing from sixteen 664 00:36:11,601 --> 00:36:15,161 Speaker 2: years ago, I wouldn't be the man I am today. 665 00:36:15,521 --> 00:36:17,881 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be the father that I am. I wouldn't 666 00:36:17,881 --> 00:36:20,841 Speaker 2: be the mate that I am. Life is not perfect, 667 00:36:20,961 --> 00:36:27,041 Speaker 2: and life is you know, wow, as we talked about earlier, 668 00:36:27,241 --> 00:36:28,801 Speaker 2: it can be taken from you at the drop of 669 00:36:28,801 --> 00:36:33,081 Speaker 2: a hat. But why would Why would I want it 670 00:36:33,081 --> 00:36:35,321 Speaker 2: to be any different? I wouldn't have the beautiful children 671 00:36:35,321 --> 00:36:37,401 Speaker 2: that I have. I wouldn't have experienced the things that 672 00:36:37,441 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 2: I have, whether it be good or bad. And I've 673 00:36:40,001 --> 00:36:43,321 Speaker 2: had a lot of good in my life after my 674 00:36:44,001 --> 00:36:49,241 Speaker 2: sort of late teens to mid twenties made lots better choices, 675 00:36:49,441 --> 00:36:52,081 Speaker 2: and sure I would like to have pulled a few 676 00:36:52,081 --> 00:36:54,961 Speaker 2: of those years back and gotten that earlier in life 677 00:36:55,161 --> 00:36:57,841 Speaker 2: to enjoy this end of life. I mean, I'm nearly fifty, 678 00:36:58,361 --> 00:37:00,761 Speaker 2: you know, so I'm not a spring chicken. Life is 679 00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:04,601 Speaker 2: starting to go pass quite quickly, and I watch them 680 00:37:04,601 --> 00:37:07,841 Speaker 2: growing and I'm, you know, more involved than I've ever 681 00:37:07,881 --> 00:37:10,481 Speaker 2: been as a father, and I love it. You know, 682 00:37:10,721 --> 00:37:13,641 Speaker 2: I have a twenty five year old son, and unfortunately 683 00:37:14,001 --> 00:37:15,241 Speaker 2: I had to learn to be a dad. 684 00:37:17,081 --> 00:37:19,001 Speaker 5: You're in jar when he was born. 685 00:37:18,961 --> 00:37:20,761 Speaker 2: Oh mate, I was in and out of jail. You know, 686 00:37:20,961 --> 00:37:25,241 Speaker 2: you're looking at fourteen years since I was thirteen. You 687 00:37:25,241 --> 00:37:28,881 Speaker 2: know that i'd been in and out I was here, 688 00:37:29,001 --> 00:37:32,561 Speaker 2: like I I'd be here one minute and I'd be 689 00:37:32,681 --> 00:37:35,681 Speaker 2: just packing a bag and on a plane flying overseas 690 00:37:35,721 --> 00:37:37,801 Speaker 2: the next minute. Like it was just that was life. 691 00:37:38,121 --> 00:37:41,601 Speaker 2: And I didn't think that I was doing anything wrong. 692 00:37:41,761 --> 00:37:44,161 Speaker 2: So I was doing me, but it was, you know, 693 00:37:44,481 --> 00:37:49,281 Speaker 2: totally undiagnosed by Paula Mart's just jump on there and 694 00:37:49,321 --> 00:37:51,841 Speaker 2: book a flight and I'm gone, I'll see you when 695 00:37:51,881 --> 00:37:54,561 Speaker 2: I get home. My famous words. I never left the 696 00:37:54,561 --> 00:37:56,721 Speaker 2: house without saying see you when I get home. And 697 00:37:56,721 --> 00:37:58,721 Speaker 2: if I didn't get that in return, I was always worried, 698 00:37:59,361 --> 00:38:01,281 Speaker 2: and it was it was a weird thing. But I 699 00:38:01,321 --> 00:38:03,921 Speaker 2: always got home safely from whatever journey I was on 700 00:38:03,961 --> 00:38:05,841 Speaker 2: and wherever I was going on, whatever I was doing. 701 00:38:05,961 --> 00:38:10,441 Speaker 2: So I don't know, Look, I don't have those moments 702 00:38:10,481 --> 00:38:13,281 Speaker 2: of what would I tell that sixteen year old, Because 703 00:38:14,001 --> 00:38:15,081 Speaker 2: life's not bad. 704 00:38:15,481 --> 00:38:17,281 Speaker 5: Life's supposed to be ups and downs. 705 00:38:17,681 --> 00:38:19,601 Speaker 2: That's my point. What are you going to tell a 706 00:38:19,641 --> 00:38:22,241 Speaker 2: sixteen year old? Life's great, last perfect, take this path 707 00:38:22,321 --> 00:38:24,521 Speaker 2: and smooth sailing, and you're going to be wealthy and 708 00:38:24,561 --> 00:38:26,281 Speaker 2: life's going to be all just sweet. And you have 709 00:38:26,321 --> 00:38:29,321 Speaker 2: a gorgeous wife and beautiful kids and a nice house 710 00:38:29,321 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 2: on the water or bullshit, you're not. Some some will 711 00:38:34,521 --> 00:38:36,001 Speaker 2: do through a lot of hard work or a bit 712 00:38:36,041 --> 00:38:38,081 Speaker 2: of blessings of inheritance or whatever, but the majority of 713 00:38:38,161 --> 00:38:39,161 Speaker 2: us will always battle. 714 00:38:40,081 --> 00:38:44,681 Speaker 5: A couple of questions from Instagram. Here your favorite bike 715 00:38:44,761 --> 00:38:45,481 Speaker 5: you ever owned? 716 00:38:46,561 --> 00:38:49,921 Speaker 2: For me personally, I would like to say a street Bob. 717 00:38:50,721 --> 00:38:51,561 Speaker 5: That's a street Bob? 718 00:38:51,761 --> 00:38:59,241 Speaker 2: Oh is that a Harley? Or yeah? No, there as well, American, American? 719 00:38:59,521 --> 00:39:02,121 Speaker 2: Pretty well is what you're finding in club life? And 720 00:39:02,561 --> 00:39:03,961 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a bit different than a 721 00:39:04,161 --> 00:39:07,001 Speaker 2: these all these different brands and bikes. I don't know. 722 00:39:07,041 --> 00:39:09,041 Speaker 2: I don't have a bike anymore, so I can't keep 723 00:39:09,121 --> 00:39:11,081 Speaker 2: up with you miss riding. I do mis riding, And 724 00:39:11,161 --> 00:39:13,961 Speaker 2: yes I will, once all said and done, be buying 725 00:39:14,001 --> 00:39:17,521 Speaker 2: another bike. Will it be a Harley? Probably not. You know, 726 00:39:17,561 --> 00:39:19,161 Speaker 2: there's some other fun ones out there I'd like to 727 00:39:19,601 --> 00:39:22,361 Speaker 2: muck around with. But you know, it's a sense of 728 00:39:23,161 --> 00:39:25,001 Speaker 2: it really is. And when people talk about the wind 729 00:39:25,001 --> 00:39:26,521 Speaker 2: in your hair and yeah, okay, you've got a helmet 730 00:39:26,561 --> 00:39:28,521 Speaker 2: on these days and it's not so easy rider as 731 00:39:28,521 --> 00:39:31,641 Speaker 2: it once was, But that feeling of just being free 732 00:39:31,681 --> 00:39:36,761 Speaker 2: and just just going it is unbelievable and it's a 733 00:39:36,761 --> 00:39:41,001 Speaker 2: feeling that's missed for me. I used to like that 734 00:39:41,081 --> 00:39:44,361 Speaker 2: particular model a bite because I'd had several others and 735 00:39:45,201 --> 00:39:48,401 Speaker 2: this was just quick light. I could will stand off 736 00:39:48,401 --> 00:39:49,801 Speaker 2: the lights if I want to be an idiot. I 737 00:39:49,801 --> 00:39:53,481 Speaker 2: could ride it all over Australia, which I did comfortably. 738 00:39:54,041 --> 00:39:57,841 Speaker 2: So it was it was all around a good bike. What. 739 00:39:58,961 --> 00:40:01,881 Speaker 5: So we're four years into the clink, Yeah, and she's 740 00:40:02,601 --> 00:40:05,841 Speaker 5: you know, we've actually never talked although so although there 741 00:40:05,881 --> 00:40:07,961 Speaker 5: have been moments where you've gone, I'm done, I want 742 00:40:07,961 --> 00:40:10,521 Speaker 5: to finish, we've actually never talked about when it ends. 743 00:40:12,481 --> 00:40:14,641 Speaker 5: What do you see? What do you see the future 744 00:40:14,721 --> 00:40:16,921 Speaker 5: for this show? 745 00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:20,601 Speaker 2: I think that's a really good question, Jay, And to 746 00:40:20,721 --> 00:40:25,041 Speaker 2: answer it, the end will be when I know there's 747 00:40:25,081 --> 00:40:30,241 Speaker 2: no one else listening, because I think as a baby, 748 00:40:30,441 --> 00:40:34,281 Speaker 2: a baby grows and evolves and becomes, you know, into 749 00:40:34,321 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 2: an adolescent, into an adult. We've had this conversation, which 750 00:40:38,481 --> 00:40:41,281 Speaker 2: I think has been really refreshing, especially for season sixteen, 751 00:40:42,241 --> 00:40:47,601 Speaker 2: bringing a different perspective. We've really, you know, put a 752 00:40:47,641 --> 00:40:49,921 Speaker 2: lot out there to help and inspire others through other 753 00:40:49,961 --> 00:40:53,921 Speaker 2: people's lived experience, and I felt there's so much more 754 00:40:53,921 --> 00:40:57,281 Speaker 2: to offer through our platform. Why don't we come up 755 00:40:57,321 --> 00:40:59,921 Speaker 2: with a way of giving people the tools in life 756 00:41:00,401 --> 00:41:02,401 Speaker 2: to be able to better themselves, to be able to 757 00:41:02,401 --> 00:41:06,041 Speaker 2: find their dreams and you know, chase them and actually 758 00:41:06,641 --> 00:41:09,481 Speaker 2: implement them without feeling like that they're alone. Because there's 759 00:41:09,521 --> 00:41:11,241 Speaker 2: so many people out there that won't ask for help. 760 00:41:11,281 --> 00:41:14,041 Speaker 2: There's so many people out there that you know, are 761 00:41:14,081 --> 00:41:18,121 Speaker 2: so intelligent but yet just a trapped in this you 762 00:41:18,161 --> 00:41:20,641 Speaker 2: know world where they don't feel that they're worthy enough. 763 00:41:20,641 --> 00:41:23,761 Speaker 2: But they so worthy. Everybody's worthy. We've all got it 764 00:41:23,801 --> 00:41:26,081 Speaker 2: inside us. You just got to find that spark, that passion. 765 00:41:26,121 --> 00:41:30,841 Speaker 2: I thought, imagine if we could bring through our guests something, 766 00:41:31,001 --> 00:41:33,521 Speaker 2: and if each of those guests left two beautiful sort 767 00:41:33,561 --> 00:41:37,801 Speaker 2: of tools behind and out of ten episodes, that's twenty tools. 768 00:41:38,401 --> 00:41:40,961 Speaker 2: Now everybody's all these life coaches, and I can and 769 00:41:41,001 --> 00:41:42,201 Speaker 2: credit to a lot of them, but there's a lot 770 00:41:42,201 --> 00:41:44,401 Speaker 2: of it. Can't be a fucking life coach at thirty 771 00:41:44,441 --> 00:41:46,761 Speaker 2: and forty years of age and eating silver spoon, okat 772 00:41:46,801 --> 00:41:50,201 Speaker 2: fucked telling me how good life is and ha should 773 00:41:50,641 --> 00:41:54,361 Speaker 2: you haven't lived? And even at nearly fifty, I learn 774 00:41:54,401 --> 00:41:57,281 Speaker 2: every day, so I'm still learning. You know, and I 775 00:41:57,321 --> 00:42:01,801 Speaker 2: believe I've lived a pretty full on life. If I 776 00:42:01,841 --> 00:42:05,041 Speaker 2: can help others to take those steps, find that confidence, 777 00:42:05,441 --> 00:42:09,161 Speaker 2: build themselves up through other people's journeys, implement those tools, 778 00:42:09,761 --> 00:42:12,881 Speaker 2: give them opportunities that they didn't feel that they truly 779 00:42:12,961 --> 00:42:16,881 Speaker 2: could do or have. Then why would I stop with 780 00:42:16,961 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 2: the Clink? Why it serves a purpose And the whole 781 00:42:20,001 --> 00:42:23,481 Speaker 2: point when we started this was to reach to one person, 782 00:42:23,721 --> 00:42:26,761 Speaker 2: to make a difference in one person's life. We've done 783 00:42:26,801 --> 00:42:29,361 Speaker 2: that over and beyond that. We know that that's a fact. 784 00:42:29,441 --> 00:42:32,921 Speaker 2: That's not pumping up and talking it up. It's such 785 00:42:32,961 --> 00:42:35,641 Speaker 2: an honor to be able to help so many people, 786 00:42:35,721 --> 00:42:38,521 Speaker 2: and the inboxes are constantly there saying thank you and 787 00:42:38,601 --> 00:42:42,441 Speaker 2: how it's changed their lives. When that stops and you 788 00:42:42,521 --> 00:42:45,681 Speaker 2: tell me we're in the red, then the Clink stops. 789 00:42:47,841 --> 00:42:49,281 Speaker 5: There are a whole bunch of people out of ask 790 00:42:49,321 --> 00:42:51,281 Speaker 5: a whole bunch of questions around And this will be 791 00:42:51,321 --> 00:42:52,881 Speaker 5: the final bit, but it's probably a bit of a 792 00:42:52,881 --> 00:42:55,641 Speaker 5: hook for next year. People over the last four years 793 00:42:55,681 --> 00:42:58,081 Speaker 5: of blinding. Like and we mentioned earlier, can we get 794 00:42:58,161 --> 00:43:01,121 Speaker 5: video on YouTube? The answer is yes. There will be 795 00:43:01,121 --> 00:43:03,681 Speaker 5: full episodes of The Clink coming to YouTube soon and 796 00:43:03,721 --> 00:43:05,921 Speaker 5: that'll be in twenty twenty five. The second question we 797 00:43:05,961 --> 00:43:07,841 Speaker 5: get is could you do a live show? And then 798 00:43:07,921 --> 00:43:09,641 Speaker 5: answer is yes, we're going to do a live show. 799 00:43:09,961 --> 00:43:12,481 Speaker 5: There you go out of the bag. So both of 800 00:43:12,481 --> 00:43:14,561 Speaker 5: those things will happen in twenty twenty five. Wats your space? 801 00:43:14,601 --> 00:43:15,641 Speaker 5: But mate, how good? 802 00:43:15,681 --> 00:43:16,881 Speaker 2: But this I can travel? 803 00:43:17,241 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you've got. I've got a bracelet. Four years 804 00:43:22,521 --> 00:43:24,641 Speaker 5: with the show. Everyone your ankle without a bracelet. Look 805 00:43:24,681 --> 00:43:29,121 Speaker 5: at that. That's sexiest. Stop it, mate, that was the. 806 00:43:29,041 --> 00:43:31,241 Speaker 2: Best feeling ever. And that was Dune this year. You know, 807 00:43:31,361 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 2: they finally could see that I was not a flight risk. 808 00:43:35,201 --> 00:43:39,961 Speaker 2: You know, like four years of literally and that that 809 00:43:40,201 --> 00:43:44,401 Speaker 2: was tough. Yeah, four years of you know, restrictions ankle 810 00:43:44,441 --> 00:43:49,281 Speaker 2: brace that curfews reporting constantly. Now it's just reporting once 811 00:43:49,321 --> 00:43:52,161 Speaker 2: a week, which I don't falter. I don't look around 812 00:43:52,161 --> 00:43:54,641 Speaker 2: when it comes, you know. I'm extremely serious about that. 813 00:43:54,721 --> 00:43:57,441 Speaker 2: I refuse to give into the system and be beaten 814 00:43:57,481 --> 00:44:02,681 Speaker 2: by the system through my own bad choice. It's nice 815 00:44:02,721 --> 00:44:05,161 Speaker 2: so we can we can go anywhere in Australia and 816 00:44:05,201 --> 00:44:07,361 Speaker 2: we can do whatever we want as long as I'm 817 00:44:07,401 --> 00:44:08,281 Speaker 2: back before Friday. 818 00:44:09,601 --> 00:44:13,721 Speaker 5: Okay, good mate, As always awesome to sit down with you. 819 00:44:13,841 --> 00:44:17,441 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm normally on the other side, but you're 820 00:44:17,481 --> 00:44:18,401 Speaker 5: a good friend. 821 00:44:18,281 --> 00:44:21,601 Speaker 2: And I appreciate you, mate, and forever, no matter what, brother, 822 00:44:21,921 --> 00:44:24,161 Speaker 2: we have this and this is never going to die. 823 00:44:24,321 --> 00:44:26,641 Speaker 2: You know, it's here to always look back on, and 824 00:44:27,481 --> 00:44:30,641 Speaker 2: you and Katie backing me through thick and thin eyes 825 00:44:30,681 --> 00:44:33,601 Speaker 2: and lows. I love his family. And to everyone out 826 00:44:33,641 --> 00:44:37,241 Speaker 2: there that's listening, thank you, because without you, guys, our guests, 827 00:44:38,201 --> 00:44:42,001 Speaker 2: we don't exist. People trusting me to deliver their stories 828 00:44:42,441 --> 00:44:46,201 Speaker 2: and in a way that's respectful, honorable, you know. To 829 00:44:46,281 --> 00:44:49,001 Speaker 2: everyone out there that's trusted me in doing that, I 830 00:44:49,481 --> 00:44:53,241 Speaker 2: truly thank you. I love you. I'm blessed and I 831 00:44:53,241 --> 00:44:56,961 Speaker 2: feel very honored. And to all your listeners guys, please 832 00:44:57,081 --> 00:44:59,201 Speaker 2: keep reaching out if we can help in any way. 833 00:44:59,721 --> 00:45:02,041 Speaker 2: If there's something that we can do that inspires you 834 00:45:02,201 --> 00:45:05,321 Speaker 2: or you know, makes a difference, contact us. Know where 835 00:45:05,361 --> 00:45:09,241 Speaker 2: to find us on Instagram. And Jay Mate, keep doing 836 00:45:09,281 --> 00:45:12,041 Speaker 2: pod Shape because you've got some big shows now and 837 00:45:12,401 --> 00:45:13,801 Speaker 2: I'm just so proud of you. Guys. 838 00:45:15,001 --> 00:45:16,601 Speaker 5: Oh fuck, I forgot to push record. 839 00:45:17,521 --> 00:45:19,801 Speaker 2: Yeah, just you. 840 00:45:21,721 --> 00:45:24,361 Speaker 5: Go double for the record. 841 00:45:24,441 --> 00:45:27,681 Speaker 3: I'm done trying to make you uncomfortable for the record. 842 00:45:27,761 --> 00:45:30,361 Speaker 3: You ain't trying to grow downy stuff for your for 843 00:45:30,481 --> 00:45:33,641 Speaker 3: the record lab on me going all the way for 844 00:45:33,761 --> 00:45:34,241 Speaker 3: the record. 845 00:45:34,361 --> 00:45:37,201 Speaker 1: Ain't trying to link, No, trying to waste for the. 846 00:45:37,201 --> 00:45:43,521 Speaker 4: Record, for the record, for the for the record, for 847 00:45:43,641 --> 00:45:47,401 Speaker 4: the record, for the record, for the record. 848 00:45:58,841 --> 00:45:58,881 Speaker 5: H