1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fear and Greed Sunday feature. Oh, Michael Thompson 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: got something a little bit different today as this interview 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: actually only aired in June this year. 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: But what it. 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Shows is the speed at which a campaign can gather 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: momentum from the initial idea, in this case, right through 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: the legislation passing parliament. I'm talking about the ban on 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: social media for kids under sixteen, which passed the Senate 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: late on Thursday night. It came about because of a 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: campaign called thirty six months, referring to the three year 11 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: increase in the age limit for social media users from 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: thirteen years old to sixteen years old, which was the 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: brainchild of, among a few others, Sydney radio host Michael 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: Whip Whippley. Now, there are plenty of concerns about whether 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: the legislation has been rushed through. It did have bipartisan support, 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: but when it went to committee for a single day, 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: it had an extraordinary fifteen thousand submissions, many raising concerns 18 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: about the implementation of the band, some suggesting that it 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: could make teenagers feel perhaps more isolated, could even result 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: in more personal data being handed over to social media 21 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: companies in order to prove that someone is over sixteen today, 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: I thought it would be useful to revisit the original 23 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: conversation that Sean Aylmer had with Michael Whipley, an over 24 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: radio breakfast host, about why he started the thirty six 25 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: Months campaign and really the reasons why he felt a 26 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: ban was necessary in the way to go, and clearly 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: that has gained political support. I suspect that not even 28 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: whipper they would have thought that by the end of November, 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: right in just a few months, legislation would have actually 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: been passed. I think it's a fascinating conversation. I hope 31 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: you do too. 32 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Fear and Greed business interview. I'm Sean Alma. 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: Something a little different for you today. You might have 34 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: noticed in recent weeks a growing campaign to limit the 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: exposure of children to social media. Currently, kids are allowed 36 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: to have their own profiles on most platforms from the 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: age of thirteen, but there's a push to increase to sixteen, 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: when they may be a little more resilient, a bit 39 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: less vulnerable, and better equipped to deal with what these 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: platforms throw at them. The campaign is called thirty six months, 41 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: representing the three years between thirteen and sixteen. And one 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: of the organizers of the campaign is radio presenter Michael Whipley, 43 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: better known as Whip in fact universally Nann as Whipper. 44 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: One third of the Nova Citny Breakfast Show FITSI and 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 2: Whipper with Kate Richie. Of course, Fear and Greed is 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: a proud partner of Nova Entertainment. Whipper, Welcome to Fear 47 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: and Greed. 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: Sean, thank you, mate. Just to clarify, you would agree 49 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: that I am the most crucial one third of Breakfast Show. 50 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. I like to put the emphasis on the middle syllable, 51 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 2: the middle person. In that instance, it's a Whipper and Kate. Yeah, yeah, 52 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: I'm with you, tailor thank you. 53 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: As much as we love them, I'm without question the 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 3: most important in that lineup, Sean. Thank you for having 55 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 3: me on, mate, and thank you for taking an interest 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: in thirty six months. 57 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: So three extra years. How much difference would it make 58 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: between thirteen and sixteen. 59 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would make a hell of a lot. There's 60 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: two parts to it, and I think the first part 61 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: is if we look at what goes on in the 62 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: adolescent years and how challenging that is when you throw 63 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: social media and smart algorithms into the mix. When you 64 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: have vulnerable kids that are trying to discover themselves, that's 65 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: a dangerous play. The other side of the coin is 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: considering thirty six months, that three years to give back, 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: like what can we do in those three years if 68 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 3: the kids aren't on social media, and what skills can 69 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: they acquire and learn? Knowing that if they choose to 70 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 3: get onto social media at the age of sixteen, they 71 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: can be armed with everything to expect and know what 72 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: to do and how to handle themselves if required. 73 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: So I suppose when I was reading up about thirty 74 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: six months, my youngest is fifteen and she is on 75 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: social media, and that's exactly I thought, what how would 76 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: I do it? And what would I do with all 77 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: that spare time she has? 78 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing to talk about. And you know, 79 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 3: there's some horror stories out there, as you'd know, Sean, 80 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: and you know a lot of those stories sort of 81 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: led us to where we are now. But if we 82 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: do consider the idea that that thirty six months is 83 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: handed back and that's a chance for families to reunite, 84 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: that's a chance for kids to discover themselves. You know, 85 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: the program and the teaching in there, you know, I 86 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: want my kids if you know, when they're old enough. 87 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: My oldest is nine tens on the nine years old, 88 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 3: but he's already talking about Snapchat. But I love the 89 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: idea that he'll have the right teachings that if he's 90 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: approached inappropriately, or he feels flat or left out, or 91 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: he feels judged. And at the moment, that's what the 92 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 3: kids are doing. They constantly feel judged, and sadly, a 93 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: lot of this is to do with teenage girls as well, 94 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: and young girls who constantly feel like on a daily 95 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: basis they are being ranked. So they're being ranked on 96 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: these platforms. They go to bed feeling judged and ranked, 97 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: and then they wake up to see where they stand 98 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: and how they're ranked on that morning, and then their 99 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: day continues again, and that has had a huge psychological 100 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 3: change and is causing great psychological damage. 101 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 2: The amazing even if you take it before the ages 102 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: of thirteen. I think there's an E Safety Commissioner report 103 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: which said that kids age twelve to thirteen aren't just 104 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: on one platform, they're already on average they're using three 105 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: different apps. I suppose the question is has a horse 106 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: boult of for kids at thirteen now and are we 107 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 2: talking about the five and six and seven year olds 108 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: and doing what we can for them. 109 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: It's a great point because I think if you were 110 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 3: to bring this law in which we're hoping we can 111 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: push through, and I think we'll get there, you have 112 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: to consider that those that are sort of in you'd 113 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 3: have to grandfather. Are those that are in are in, 114 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 3: and then those that are under. I mean that would 115 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: be a government decision. Those that are under aren't. So 116 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: it would be an investment in the future for our kids. 117 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: But you know what, even just doing that, if you 118 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: consider sean changing the law to sixteen, that's one thing. 119 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: Enforcing it in the platforms that's another thing. But at 120 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 3: least it would give the power back to the parents. 121 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: It would be you'd be able to sit there as 122 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 3: a parent and say, no, you don't do that because 123 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: it's the same as robbing a bank or I don't know, 124 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 3: I'm shooting a gun. You don't do that because it's illegal. Guys, 125 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: that's taking out correct. I mean, imagine if it was 126 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: just left to the parents, so you could go down 127 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: to the bottle shop and walk in there and grab 128 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: a bottle of whiskey and say what dad, said it 129 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: would be all right, that's just not how it should be. 130 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: And now that it's been so long, a good ten 131 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: to fifteen years of data, now is the time to 132 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: pull the trigger on it and be brave enough and 133 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: as a government, have the guts to say we now 134 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: have the data that says this does not work. Social 135 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 3: media has its place, absolutely, smartphones have their place. That's 136 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 3: not a war against social media or smartphones. It's a 137 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: war against trying to preserve our kids' mental health in 138 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: those ages of thirteen to sixteen. 139 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: Okay, so you need legislation. I mean your point there, 140 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: which is it is up to the parents, of course, 141 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 2: but if there's legislation that says it's illegal, it probably 142 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: makes it easier for the parents argument to the children. 143 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: What where's the legislation up to it's federal legislation. 144 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: I presume it is federal legislation, and at the moment 145 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: the E Safety Commissioner is able to try and enforce because, 146 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: as we say, there's no real age gait if you 147 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: were to take a lot of these platforms. There's a 148 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: parental law out of the US which was covered in 149 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight, which roughly has the age of thirteen, 150 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: and that exists also here in Australia, but has it 151 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: been enforced or is it enforceable. No, So what we 152 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: need to do is lift that to sixteen, make it hardcore, hardcore, 153 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: make it illegal that you can't be on these platforms 154 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: up under the age of sixteen, and therefore, have it 155 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: understood by everybody, have it actually listed, named and spoken about. 156 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: So we do have that law in place and the 157 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: parents can be empowered once again to have the right 158 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: influence on the kids that they should have. 159 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: Say with me, whippe, we'll be back in a minute. 160 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: Speaking to radio presenter Michael whip Up. Whipley, what about 161 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: platforms like Meta, which of course is Facebook and Instant 162 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: and TikTok and Snapchat and LinkedIn or probably LinkedIn isn't 163 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: quite appropriate or isn't relevant? But what about those platforms? 164 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: Have you had any engagement with them because it's against 165 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: their interests? 166 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: I'd imagine, well, it is against their interance. But what's 167 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: interesting is as a country, imagine if we were able 168 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: to put our hand up and say as a nation 169 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: that we're one of the first to be able to 170 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: say this doesn't work for our kids. So we could 171 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: be world leaders in this. I mean it's state by 172 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: state in America and that's kind of what we've been 173 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: encouraged by as well, because as you list the different 174 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: types of platforms, yes, they fall under social media the 175 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: social media category, which is any platform that creates engagement 176 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 3: by addictive features. So it's your continuous scrollings, that's you, 177 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: like your shares, all those things that make your child 178 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: the product. Because if the kids went on there and 179 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: there wasn't, it wouldn't exist. It'd be like horse racing 180 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: without gambling. So the reality is that these platforms are 181 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: selling your child's attention span. That's how they make their money. 182 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frightening. You've already got some backing for the 183 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: campaign obviously. I know in New South Wales Chris Mins, 184 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: a premier, has come out in support. How important is 185 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: that you get high profile as well as people signing 186 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: petitions and things like that behind it. 187 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been fantastic. Premier Men's came out and said 188 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: something needs to be done, which was great, so we 189 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: continue that conversation. The Prime Minister also congratulated thirty six 190 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: months as an initiative worth following, even on a corporate front, 191 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: we had here and I join us. The other day 192 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: they put their hand up. They've got a program which 193 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: is called Progress for Humanity, and that certainly aligns with 194 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 3: what we're doing at thirty six months. So we're encouraging 195 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: people to go to thirty six months dot com dot 196 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: au to sign the petition, but also we're throwing it 197 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: out there as well. And this has been a great 198 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: reality check. We've been encouraging people on Instagram, and I 199 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 3: do see the irony we're encouraging them. I'm deposit of 200 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: photo of when they were thirteen, and that's a great 201 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 3: reality check because you look back at that photo and 202 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: I certainly know the age of thirteen for who I 203 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: was as I stood there in my hard Rock Cafe 204 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: T shirt at a tennis lesson, I know that I 205 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 3: wouldn't have been mentally able to handle the impact and 206 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: the challenge that social media can bring on young minds. 207 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 2: What's the size of the prize here? If we can 208 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: get the age to sixteen and we can limit, if 209 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: not totally abolish use of social media for kids under 210 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: that age, what is the prize? 211 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: The prize for me is being able to hand out 212 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: the education required. The prize for me is being able 213 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: to give the kids back to the families and the parents, 214 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 3: because if you could imagine having a stranger come into 215 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: a house who then chooses what they're going to show 216 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: your kids to influence them, that's really what you're doing. 217 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: You're inviting your kids into another world where they're attracted 218 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: by the smart algorithm. So if you can cut that 219 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 3: off and say, hey, come back into the family, come 220 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: back into this world and learn the skills. Through thirty 221 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: six months dot com dot au, we can give you 222 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: the skills that will actually take you into that next 223 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: phase of your life. And the other thing is too, 224 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: once you're given back and once you're out of that 225 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 3: world of social media. As a young person, you don't realize, 226 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 3: but the natural skills and the resilience that you need 227 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: in life that's organically created by you doing other things 228 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: with your friends is huge. So that parental free play 229 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: amongst peers is another part to this. So get them 230 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: off the screens, get them back with their friends, get 231 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: them riding around the streets. Do what you're meant to 232 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: do as a kid. That's part of the decision making, 233 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 3: that's part of the growth, that's part of the resilience 234 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: required to be a young adult. 235 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: It's very listening to you, Whippa. I just have a 236 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: sense of guilt, but I think that's okay. My kids 237 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: mentioned my youngest is fifteen. But I have a sense 238 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: of guilt now just thinking about this because I have 239 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: allowed them to do that. Sean probably is okay because 240 00:11:59,320 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: it's just realized. 241 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: That is realization. And I've guilt myself because I mean, 242 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: we talk about sixteen and we want that age change, 243 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: and we think that's an achievable outcome. A lot of 244 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 3: the parents are saying make it eighteen, and then a 245 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: lot of parents are saying, well, I've got a problem, 246 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: and I fall into that category. I've got the problem 247 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: of sitting there and if it's quiet time, as much 248 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 3: as I'm watching a movie with the kids, I'm on 249 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 3: the phone and I'm on social media and I'm doing 250 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: things and I'm wanting to be keeping up to speed 251 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: with things, and it becomes a trap. And you know, 252 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: it's sad when you find yourself lying in bed next 253 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: to your wife. You might both be on social media, 254 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: or you go out for dinner and one runs to 255 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: the bathroom and then you're back on social media. Again, 256 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: you feel that trap and you feel that pull. But 257 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: I'm forty four years old, so I understand and I 258 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: recognize it. For a young mind, and that prefrontal cortex 259 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: that the professionals talk about that doesn't finish developing until 260 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: you're twenty years old. That's part of your emotion, that's 261 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: part of your decision making, that's part of your growth. 262 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 3: That part that awareness doesn't exist in that underdeveloped mind. 263 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: So I just can't imagine what it would be like 264 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: for the young ones. 265 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: I'm totally on board. I'm going to go and try 266 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: and find a photo of myself when. 267 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: I was thirteen. 268 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: Everyone, I will thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. 269 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 3: I really appreciate the time, mate, Thanks for the. 270 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: Care that was Michael Whipper Whipfley, one third of the 271 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: Nova Sydney Breakfast team Fitsie and Whipper with Kate Richie. 272 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: This is the Fear and Greed Business Interview. Joined us 273 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: every morning for the full episode of Fear and Greed 274 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: daily business use for people who make their own decisions. 275 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: I'm Sean Elmer. Enjoy your day.