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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: This podcast contains talk of suicide and suicidal adiation. Listener

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Speaker 2: discretion is advised for free counseling twenty four hours. In Australia,

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Speaker 2: the number for Lifeline is thirteen eleven fourteen. This is

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Speaker 2: Our Little Edie, the story of fifteen year old Eden Westbrook,

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Speaker 2: who police say took her own life, but her parents

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Speaker 2: and now millions of other people feel there's much more

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Speaker 2: to this story. It's a story which, over the past

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Speaker 2: nine years for Jason and Amanda has lacked one vital thing, answers,

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Speaker 2: and now we all feel like we're closer than ever

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Speaker 2: to finding out what happened to Eden Westbrook. Before we

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Speaker 2: get into the show, I want to thank everyone that

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Speaker 2: supported the podcast and Jason and Amanda's Hunt four answers,

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Speaker 2: and now we realize there's a lot more of you

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Speaker 2: thanks to that under investigation story from Liz Hayes and

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Speaker 2: the team at Channel nine which add a few weeks back.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to that story, there's been lots of new people

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Speaker 2: coming forward to offer help. If you haven't yet seen

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Speaker 2: the show, we've put a link to YouTube and nine

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Speaker 2: now in the episode notes below. Over the next few weeks,

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Speaker 2: you're going to hear from some of those people that

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Speaker 2: popped up because of that under investigation show. One in

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Speaker 2: particular we're going to focus on in this episode. It's

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Speaker 2: someone that up till now has been very quiet, someone

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Speaker 2: who we've tried to reach out to, but to date

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Speaker 2: the contact has been brief and most times not very helpful.

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Speaker 2: In previous episodes, we've called this person Kate. She's the

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Speaker 2: person that police have never spoken to. She's alleged to

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Speaker 2: be the last one to see Eden alive. Kate started

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Speaker 2: posting on social media the night the special aired on

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Speaker 2: Channel nine. We've used an AI generated voice to read

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Speaker 2: some of her posts.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know me, well, don't try to talk

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Speaker 1: to me about that shit. You'll all think you know

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Speaker 1: so much. You know shit.

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Speaker 2: There was also a meme attached to this post, but

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Speaker 2: we didn't get the joke. Then a few minutes later,

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Speaker 2: a much larger post, fuck.

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Speaker 1: It, I'll say it. You all feel so sorry for

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Speaker 1: a young girl who passed away by her own doing

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Speaker 1: and a family stuck in a nine year state of

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Speaker 1: disbelief and delusions. Yet you don't think it's unfair and

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Speaker 1: ludicrous that they blame others. You don't feel bad about

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Speaker 1: the innocent person or persons being accused of murder over

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Speaker 1: a clear cut suicide. There won't be any investigation for

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Speaker 1: a suicide. There is nobody to blame for her hanging,

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Speaker 1: unless you'd like to blame the rope or maybe it

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Speaker 1: was the trees. For If you believe any of what's

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Speaker 1: in the media, you are as stupid and gullible as

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Speaker 1: they come. I am going to try and block anyone

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Speaker 1: who shares that nonsense or buys into any of it.

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Speaker 1: You want to watch fictional television, listen to fictional podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and read absolute lies in the mercury, you may as

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Speaker 1: well remove yourselves from my social media and my life.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and to the people that have asked if

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Speaker 1: I am okay, thank you very much love heart emoji.

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Speaker 1: To those who just want to ask questions, mind your

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Speaker 2: We aren't alleging that this girl we're calling Kate murdered Eden.

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Speaker 2: We are saying that she should be talked to because

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Speaker 2: of what she told the family and others nine years ago.

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Speaker 2: Remember at the time, nine years ago, she went on

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Speaker 2: social media and made this statement about Eden. I asked

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Speaker 2: media posts. They don't make a lot of sense and

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Speaker 3: If anyone needs to talk about the said life of

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Speaker 3: a beautiful girl, Hunter Westbrook's brightest half. She didn't leave

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Speaker 3: any of you, especially you. For those she spoke to

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Speaker 3: before five am, you know enough that I can already explain.

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Speaker 3: I can't already explain anyone left without confirmation that she

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Speaker 3: found her own, cool place to be free. I was

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Speaker 3: twice her height, but I found my way to where

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Speaker 3: she left after her goodbyes, and anyone that's holding blame

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Speaker 3: for Eden's brave, free choice of leaving a life she

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Speaker 3: I want your whole family to design me a small,

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Speaker 3: colorful tattoo representing strength, courage, and The last message she

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Speaker 4: She's admitted here, I found my own way to where

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Speaker 4: she left her goodbyes, and anyone that's holding blame for

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Speaker 4: Eden's brave choice. She told me she found Eden. She's

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Speaker 4: obviously talking to Eden that night. You know why is

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Speaker 4: Zesel getting she's already passed over? How does she know

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Speaker 5: She is she there?

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Speaker 4: I want your whole family design a small colorful tatoo

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Speaker 4: representing strength, courage and the last message she said, the

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Speaker 4: last message she sent she wasn't Eden's friend. This girl's

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Speaker 4: We need to know why she feels she's this connected

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Speaker 4: There's too much in that that needs to be looked at.

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Speaker 2: The only thing we think that is important right now

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Speaker 2: do it by a coroner, and if Jason and Amanda's

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Speaker 2: hopefully that can happen. There was one other post that

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Speaker 2: actually was more disturbing the day after the Under Investigation

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Speaker 1: Kate So to the ones that harass un threaten, if

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Speaker 2: After this comment, we started to get a little nervous.

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Speaker 2: The comment felt threatening and we weren't the only ones

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Speaker 4: Dear Commissioner, it is with some reluctance that I write

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Speaker 4: to you, given our experiences over the last nine years

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Speaker 4: with Tasmania Police and the investigation into our daughter's tragic

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Speaker 4: death in twenty fifteen. However, following the broadcast of Under

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Speaker 2: I won't read any more of the letter to the Commissioner,

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Speaker 2: we received an email from Regina.

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Speaker 6: Weiss, dear review participant. Today I delivered my final report

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Speaker 6: into former police officer Paul Reynolds to the Tasmanian Police Commissioner.

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Speaker 6: I understand that it is intended to be publicly released

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Speaker 6: next week. Thank you for coming forward and sharing your experiences,

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Speaker 6: thoughts and insightful comments with us over the last eight months.

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Speaker 6: Without the conversations we had and written submissions received, the

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Speaker 6: The report remains entirely deidentified. There is no draft report

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Speaker 6: in existence that reveals the identity of any participant. As promised,

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Speaker 6: The notes of our conversations remain separate from Tasmania Police

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Speaker 6: or ask me to. I will share the final report

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Speaker 6: with you at the earliest opportunity next week. In it,

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Speaker 6: those of people who had similar experiences in thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Will share that report into Paul Reynolds. There was also

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Speaker 7: My question is to the Attorney General. Attorney General, are

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Speaker 7: you aware of the under investigation story that aired on

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Speaker 7: to one G of the Tasmanian Coroners Act, given the

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Speaker 7: been consistently refused. Good question, Thank you called the Attorney General.

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Speaker 8: Thank you Speaker. I think the honorable Member for his

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Speaker 8: And my heart goes out to the Westbrook family. Very sincerely,

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Speaker 8: very sincerely. It's a devastating matter, the subject of a

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Speaker 8: obviously with anyone who would have information that has not

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Speaker 2: to see Eden's body in the park. She's agreed to

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Speaker 2: give you a warning first. The next part of the

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Speaker 5: I saw an advertisement on TV for it coming.

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Speaker 2: Up, and what were your first thoughts when you saw that?

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Speaker 5: I thought, oh, wow, finally something's going to happen, and

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Speaker 5: I wrang on my children and I said, oh, watch this.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think they're doing something at last, because.

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Speaker 2: You're watching that show on Channel nine. What were your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: More questions than answers, this belief that they I was

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Speaker 5: just shocked that how on earth could they not investigate properly?

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Speaker 2: And so we're not talking about under investigations investigations. You're

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, that's the impression I got from the program.

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Speaker 5: Under investigations. Just thought this is just all so wrong.

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Speaker 2: I want to take your mind back to that day

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Speaker 2: on the eighteenth of February twenty fifteen, some sort of

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Speaker 2: nine years ago. Tell me what you were doing and

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Speaker 5: Well at that stage, as I say, with my business,

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Speaker 5: Well, the first thing I noticed from the road was

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Speaker 2: Is this the first time you'd seen something like this? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: Was there anything else around the scene that felt odd?

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Speaker 5: Yes, he had light gray track pants on and there

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Speaker 5: When I got up really close was the rope. There

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Speaker 5: And I thought, whoa, if you'd have dropped from that height,

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Speaker 2: Were there any markings or anything unusual about Eden's face

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Speaker 5: Her, No, it just looked peaceful.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you to try and remember your

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Speaker 5: The more I looked, the more it just looked did

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Speaker 5: not gell with somebody hanging themselves. There was a pair

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Speaker 5: of ugg boots on the ground just behind her. And again,

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Speaker 5: if you'd struggled and kicked them off, surely the rope

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Speaker 5: I sort of peered around. Couldn't see any other belongings,

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Speaker 5: not seem consistent. And also, how on earth did she

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Speaker 5: It just did not seem plausibook.

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Speaker 2: Do you recall how high her feet were off the ground.

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Speaker 5: It's a fair memory now, would have been about two

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Speaker 2: Either you're standing there in the park at madea cove

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Speaker 2: you're talking to Eden, who's now deceased. Yeah, and you're

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then what.

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Speaker 5: Happens another lady came up. She'd been out walking for

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Speaker 5: and I said, oh, no, no, please, don't come up here.

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Speaker 5: It's not very nice. And she said, oh, that's okay.

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Speaker 5: And we were just talking for a minute, and then

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Speaker 5: it off. And I said, you know, she's definitely deceased.

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Speaker 5: And then she just started saying, oh, stupid girl, Why

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Speaker 5: And I said, well, she was obviously in the dark pace.

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Speaker 5: Then by then I was getting really angry. I just thought,

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Speaker 2: Kim. Do you remember the time that you first spotted

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Speaker 5: It's would have been round about seven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: In the morning.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, between seven seven point thirty. I mean, there should

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they see the first chorus received at six fifty

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Speaker 2: seven am.

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Speaker 5: Right right, yeah, so round about seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you go. You obviously are traumatized, but you'd

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Speaker 2: seen this sort of thing before and attended accidents with

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Speaker 2: to the nurse on site and said to with that

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Speaker 5: When I got to vish Ando, I was doing delivery

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Speaker 5: and then they rang. I can't recall what times. I've

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Speaker 2: So a couple of hours after you'd see Eden that officer.

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Speaker 2: What did that officer ask?

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Speaker 5: He said, oh, it's Saint Helen's police. I'm ringing about.

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Speaker 5: I understand that you discovered the body and I said, yes,

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Speaker 5: that's right. I said is it suspicious? And he said,

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Speaker 5: oh no, no, I wouldn't say that. And I said, oh,

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Speaker 5: there were just a few things that didn't look right

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Speaker 5: mind giving a statement? Where are you based? And I

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Speaker 5: said down south? I'm on my way back, working my

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Speaker 5: when you get to Hobart, would you mind calling in

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Speaker 5: I said, yes, that's fine, I'll do that, which I did.

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Speaker 2: So that statement was written Affidavid, Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 5: There were a couple of officers that sat with me

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Speaker 5: and I went through everything that I could recall and describe.

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Speaker 2: And did you tell him about the army? Did you

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Speaker 2: tell him about the rope?

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Speaker 5: Yes, all of that, all of the detail that I've

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Speaker 2: That first affidavit, which was done on the eighteenth to

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Speaker 5: Yes. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Following that affidavit, that written statement to police, did you

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Speaker 5: About six months later, I got a call from Bridgewater

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Speaker 5: I said why is that? And they said, apparently at

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Speaker 5: And I said, ah, so it wasn't suicide. And they said, oh,

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Speaker 5: we don't know. And I said, well, you can't tie

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Speaker 5: I said, so that just confirms my suspicions that it

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Speaker 5: that would probably explain the angle of her arm. You know,

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Speaker 5: I could have been tied behind her back. The angle

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Speaker 5: but it's been set in that position. The angle of

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Speaker 2: So in that six months since you first spotted Eden

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Speaker 2: and then you go back to Bridgewater Police Station two,

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Speaker 2: is that a sworn affidavit that you're making there or

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Speaker 2: is it just an interview with police? Did you sign anything?

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Speaker 2: I guess it's my question.

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Speaker 5: That I can't remember that far back, Okay. I think

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Speaker 2: Can I ask a few other questions from that time

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Speaker 2: six months after Eden died through to when you saw

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Speaker 2: the program on Channel nine under investigation. Did you hear

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Speaker 2: any more from police or anyone in Tasmania about the

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Speaker 2: Eden Westbrook case?

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Speaker 5: No? No, And every now and then, as I was

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Speaker 5: heard a thing. And I said, well, surely there's been

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Speaker 5: a coronial inquiry by now, and quite a few customers

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Speaker 5: that I kept queering said no, we haven't heard anything.

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Speaker 2: We're aware. In twenty twenty three, a detective who was

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Speaker 2: reinvestigating some of the claims that Eden's family, Jason and Amanda,

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Speaker 2: had made about their daughter's death. What we have from

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Speaker 2: police is that he looked into the death again. Did

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Speaker 2: you just to clarify you didn't have any contact from

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Speaker 2: any police officer? Thanks?

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Speaker 5: No, no.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 5: The next guy heard about it was I saw an

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Speaker 5: article in the paper that somebody else had come forward

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Speaker 5: with information. And again I said to all my family

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Speaker 5: and friends that knew, I said, oh, finally something might happen.

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Speaker 5: Now somebody has come forward with some more information and again.

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Speaker 5: Each time I was in Saint Helen's, I'd ask and no,

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Speaker 5: they said, we haven't heard anymore. We saw the thing

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Speaker 5: in the paper, but nobody had any more information.

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Speaker 2: Kim, thank you so much for coming forward. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for being able to recount something that is

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Speaker 2: obviously disturbing for you to relive nine years later. And

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Speaker 2: we appreciate you coming forward.

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Speaker 5: It's just the right thing to do, I mean, and

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Speaker 5: hopefully there's some justice now. As I explained, I have

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Speaker 5: six children of my own, you know, I just feel

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Speaker 5: heartbroken for that family and I hope, I hope the

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Speaker 5: truth comes out for them.

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Speaker 2: As we hit publish on this episode, which was supposed

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Speaker 2: to be released on Monday, we received a late text

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Speaker 2: from Jason and Amanda. It was from the Deputy Commissioner

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Speaker 2: of Police in response to the letter that Jason and

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Speaker 2: Amanda had sent around Kate's social media posts. The information

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Speaker 2: I'm about to read is something that nobody knew until now.

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Speaker 2: It's addressed to Jason Westbrook. The subject says, response to

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Speaker 2: email twentieth of June twenty twenty four, Eden Westbrook case

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Speaker 2: concerns of safety and welfare of the girl. We're calling Kate.

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Speaker 2: It reads, Dear mister Westbrook, thanks for your email and

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Speaker 2: the information it contained concerning the safety and welfare. I'm

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Speaker 2: advised that I was interviewed by police regarding Eden's death

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Speaker 2: as part of inquiries undertaken last year into the further

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Speaker 2: information you provided. The investigation into that further information found

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Speaker 2: no evidence having contact with Eden on the night of

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Speaker 2: her death or to her being otherwise involved. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for highlighting your concerns regarding this. I can confirm that

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Speaker 2: we are satisfied with her safety and well being. Sincerely,

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Speaker 2: the acting Commander, Jason and Amanda, nor any one on

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Speaker 2: the podcast or under investigation, or anybody else that's trying

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Speaker 2: to find the truth about what happened to Eden. Westbrook

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Speaker 2: didn't know of this information. The girl we're calling Kate

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Speaker 2: herself has never published on socials that she had been

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Speaker 2: talked to by police. We are aware of an investigation

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Speaker 2: that happened in twenty twenty three after Jason and Amanda

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Speaker 2: reached out to have police further investigate Eden's death. As

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Speaker 2: you heard from Kim, the delivery driver, as part of

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Speaker 2: that investigation in twenty twenty three, she was never contacted

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Speaker 2: in the next episode, we'll try and uncover who police

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Speaker 2: spoke to in twenty twenty three and what information they

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Speaker 2: may or may not have missed. That's next time on

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Speaker 2: Our Little Edie. If this podcast has raised concerns for

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Speaker 2: you or your family, please call Lifeline on thirteen eleven

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