WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 13 May 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.800 Lateens General. Welcome to the lait to base. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:08.400 Well, it's great to have your company. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.200 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming up. 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:15.600 US President Joe Biden is abused by crowds, but he's 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.959 so confused he thinks they're praising him. Plus a brilliant 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.479 Donald Trump troll. We'll show you all of that a 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.320 bit later. Plus when we look at the papers, Queensland 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.319 Premier Stephen Miles has a rethink on immigration and good 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.040 news for South Australian viewers. If you've been using your 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.520 mobile phone while driving, you may. 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:34.200 Be off the hook. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.960 We'll talk about all of that when we get to 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.760 tomorrow's front pages. But first, a judge has found that 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:45.239 Victorian police were aggressors using unlawful violence when dealing with 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.960 anti lockdown protesters during the COVID pandemic. Now, the comments 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.960 came in relation to an incident back in May twenty 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.920 twenty one, when Melbourne was in the midst of harsh restrictions. 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.200 A huge police contingent confronted about hundred and fifty protesters 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.320 in the city. There are a whole lot of arrests, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.840 among them three men arrested for assaulting police, but a 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.319 judge said on Friday that evidence against the men was 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:16.400 inadmissible because the police officer's own body cameras showed that they, 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.720 rather than the men charged, were the aggressors. In fact, 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.560 the judge said, the men were reacting to quote unlawful 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:28.840 violence instigated by the police themselves. County Court Judge Liz 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.720 Gainer said that police could have dealt with the protesters 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:33.440 other than resorting to violence. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.160 Listen to what she said. She said. It could have been. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.200 Done by the issuing of infringement notices at any stage, 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.120 informing them that they were in breach of the restrictions 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.680 and that they were to be placed under arrest. However, 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.640 the police chose not to respond that way. I'm satisfied 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.320 that in arresting mister Reeves, he was one of the gentlemen, 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:58.040 police used unnecessary and unwarranted force and violence. They simply confronted, pushed, 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.800 and attacked him before bring him to the ground. In 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:05.840 my view, they used unlawful violence in arresting mister Reeves. Now, 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.960 this of course raises the question will police involved in 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:14.480 what the judge called unlawful violence themselves be charged or 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.080 are Victoria police above the law? 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.320 And what about all the other examples. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:23.040 Of police brutality we saw during the COVID pandemic. Police 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.840 brutality is a pretty serious charge, Caleb. So you've got 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.120 to wonder, does this raise calls for an inquiry or 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.280 dare I say a royal commission? 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.760 Oh no, you're not seriously suggesting we should look into 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.560 what happened during the pandemic, are you, James? 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.720 That he's an absurd suggestion. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.080 Of course, we ought to have a royal commission at 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.800 all of these things, amongst many others, or to be investigated. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.760 The Victorian Police Commissioner Shane Patton should be taking a 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.080 very hard look at himself right now and he should 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.400 have been out on the front foot on the weekend 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.880 responding to this story. As far as I'm aware, he 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.200 has not done so because it's not the only example, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.600 and we saw some footage there of the way people 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.079 were treated by Victorian police during the pandemic when they 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.080 protested peacefully. I was at a number of those protests. 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.360 It was at the Herald Sun at the time, and 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.160 it was largely peaceful. I mean, the only thing you 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.200 could say for getting a bit shrety was maybe some 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.400 angry charts, but largely what it was was the protesters 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.720 facing off with the police because the police had come 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.200 along with the rubber bullets, and the protesters would all 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.280 line up to try and defend themselves, and you'd occasionally 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.120 have a can or something thrown. Big deal, but the 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:41.000 police willed it to happen. Essentially, they turned up in 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.000 large numbers, and we haven't seen those sort of numbers 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.040 of police rock up to any of these anti Jewish 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.400 pro Palestinian rallies, have we. But they turned up in 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.520 large number, antagonized the protesters and in many cases got 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.840 what you presume they were asking for. And let's not 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:02.560 forget there was a woman in her seventies who was 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.160 pepper sprayed in the face, a grandmother. Well, she lay 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.440 on the page was yeah, yeah, she'd been knocked down. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.080 She's laying there on the ground and she's getting pepper 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.760 sprayed by police. She's not a danger to anyone. We 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.000 had reporters at the Herald Son that were rounded up 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.720 and put in the bag of a bag of back 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.720 of paddy wagons because you know, they were there reporting 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:26.200 on what was going on. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.200 It is absolutely absurd to think what was going on 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:29.880 in Victoria. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.840 I'm glad to see a little bit of blowback from 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.600 the judiciary. Now, hopefully it opens the door to civil 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.919 cases because there were so many other people who suffered 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.200 damage at the hands of the police at that time. 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.440 Hopefully it opens the floodgates a bit here. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.600 And how do you like this poetic justice, because this 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:52.080 case was bought by the state since the men who 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.880 were arrested and as judge just checks out their body 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.839 cam footage and goes, you guys were absolute thugs. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.640 So what happened was this one guy. 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.159 Who, as the judge said, they just barged up to 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.080 threw on the ground after punching him in the face. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.760 Mind you all captured on bodycam footage. The two other 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.839 gentlemen who got involved was simply trying to help out 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.920 their mate who was being absolutely animaled by the police. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.479 So those two guys then got involved as well. The 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.800 state takes them to court to push the case that 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.320 these guys were the aggressors, this violence was called for, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.640 and the judge is like, there's absolutely no proof of that. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.400 And I do hope, like you say, Caleb, this opens 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.520 a can of worms for the police brutality that we 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:46.120 saw in Australa. Maybe we never forget the sight of 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:50.880 unarmed Aussies fleeing from police as they were fired upon 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.520 with rubber bullets. Let us never forget the woman Monica 0:05:54.560 --> 0:06:00.160 Smith who was put in solitary confinement for twenty two days. 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.839 She did nothing violent, they dubbed her as an anti vaxxer, 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:08.279 and well, that just justifies everything, doesn't it. Really, twenty 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.720 two days in solitary confinement? 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:12.680 Are you insane? 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:13.200 Then? 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.080 Of course there's the case of Zoe Lee. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.520 Buller, the very pregnant woman who was arrested in her 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:24.040 home by police for sharing simply a post about one 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.800 of these freedom rallies and being like, hey, get around it, 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.200 I'm going to be there. It's And that's to say 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.960 nothing of all the fines of people simply for leaving 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:37.719 their homes. We've seen dribs and drabs of cases bought 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:42.040 against the state during that tyrannical time, actually getting up 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.520 most recently the Supreme Court in Queensland that found some 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:50.440 of the mandates for ambos and police officers were unlawful. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.839 How do you like that our lawmakers making laws that 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:58.839 aren't even lawful. I just hope that these cases keep 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.159 coming and that these people do see their day in court, 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.560 because I have no doubt that the brutality that we 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:12.000 saw across that terrible period in Australia's history was I 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.680 too went to plenty of those protests, and the only brutality, 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.760 the only aggression I ever saw was from the cops. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.320 And you're already in a very heightened place of emotion there. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.240 You've got people who have been stripped of the ability 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:30.800 to feed their families and. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.360 Provide a roof over their heads. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:36.720 You go after people's livelihoods, You've gone after their everything. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.840 So rightly, people were angry, rightly, people were rallying, But 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.000 the only times it ever turned to violence it was 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.120 the cops laying into people who were prostrate on the 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.760 ground with several knees on them, as cops would gang 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.200 up on just one man lying there. 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.840 The other thing with this and police are normal people, right, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:00.000 but the protesters had been so demonized by state press, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.240 used by health officials. These are tinfoil hat wear as 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.840 their conspirators. They are a danger to public health. They 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.640 don't care about Grandma. That you can kind of not 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.720 to excuse police behavior at all. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:11.520 I hope not. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.240 But when you consider police are just their normal people, 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.680 but they're dealing with crowds who have been so demonized 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.000 by the political class that you've got a tinderbox that's 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.360 been created. It wasn't just police, it was health officials 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.120 polycoctions that helped to create this situation. 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.720 Absoluity, there's like a muscle, Yeah it was. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:31.640 It was as the New. 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.520 South Wales premiere at the time, being like, I wouldn't 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.960 even be in the same room as an unvaccinated person. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.000 For crying out loud. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.800 When you locked all us unvaccinated people down, then you 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.920 had to excuse every outbreak that you had on breakthrough cases. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.280 Remember that breakthrough cases all over the place, even though 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.920 the unvaccinated couldn't go anywhere because they didn't have a 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:56.760 vax pass and that was their explanation all these breakthrough cases. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.640 How many breakthrough cases. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.920 Do we need to have before people all were allowed 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:04.680 to question the efficacy of that which they were breaking through. 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.200 It became like a mass psychosis and let us never 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.160 forget and we should really bear it in mind. What 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.680 can be done when you have tyrannical leaders that have 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.080 the ear of the people, and the people are scared. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.120 Daniel Andrews played Victoria like a fiddle. And you know, 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.959 that's not to say that everyone in Victoria is dumb, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.280 but a lot of people were scared at the time 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.360 and they did whatever they were told because they were 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.360 worried about the consequences. And Andrews knew that, and he 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.440 used it for his own power, and the police were 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.480 the arm of that. So you wouldn't blame Daniel Andrews, 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.160 knowing all of this, for wanting to perhaps shield that 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.760 vision away from you. You know, maybe we should ban 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.400 it from social media. Well that's certainly what the federal 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.800 government tried to do with the footage, of course, of 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:56.000 Bishop ma Mai Emmanuel, who was stabbed in his church 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.680 about a month ago. The e Safety Commissioner Julian went 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.960 off to court to get an injunction against X of 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.640 course formerly Twitter now owned by Elon Musk, to stop 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.920 them showing footage of the stabbing, which had been live 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:15.040 streamed on Facebook mind you on its platform now late 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:19.000 last month. That injunction was successful and in the end 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.080 what X had to do was basically put a warning 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.240 over the top of the video, so that you couldn't 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:29.280 automatically watch it. Curiously, if you posted the video again 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.960 after the post that had been flagged, there was no issue. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.600 It was essentially geo blocked, so you couldn't watch it. Well, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.280 now would you believe it? When they tried to have 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.360 that extended. The court has said no, there is no 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:48.199 justification to continue with the banning of this footage being shown. 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.440 And of course mar Marie Emmanuel himself, the bishop who 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.560 was stabbed, said I don't have a problem with the 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.480 vision being shown. The Federal Court has said no, it 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.200 should be open for all to see, and thank Heavens, 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.720 it puts the Safety Commissioner on the back foot to 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.800 some degree because there is now a precedent, a decision 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:08.640 from the. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.319 Federal Court that says no. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.800 In these cases, free speech reigned supreme and as X 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:19.240 argued quite rightly, the footage wasn't terribly graphic. It was 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:24.000 essentially news footage. The idea that it would encourage more 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.840 terrorist events, alleged terrorist events in this case would not 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.360 hold up. The court has agreed, and thank god for that. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:33.920 You know, the funny part about this case is the 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.440 Federal Court judge who is a hero because he stood 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:37.320 up for free speech. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.079 His name's Jeffrey Kennett, So when I was I. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:46.600 Thought Jeff Kennet's but Brett Walker, SC who represented X. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.280 He told the court the idea it's better for the 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:51.199 whole world not to be able to see this obviously 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.600 newsworthy matter is a startling one. Even more startling is 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.840 that it ended up in the Federal Court. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:58.480 The Australian government. 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:03.040 Classified this footage of Bishop mar Murray Emmanuel being stabbed 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:07.199 as gratuitous and graphic violence, which I mean it was 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.360 shocking because you don't expect to see a clergyman attacked 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.440 in his own pulpit, but you could barely make out 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.880 the knife, let alone blood or gore. It's the same 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:20.320 classification they use for child porn. So the Australian government 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.440 went right over the top with this and have really 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.760 embarrassed themselves on the world stage. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.200 Yeah, indeed, which the E Safety Commissioner is very good 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.079 at doing. Can anyone tell me, because this woman has 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:36.320 been the E Safety Commissioner since twenty seventeen, what good 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:36.959 has she done? 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:38.760 What actually wins. 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.480 Does she have where she could point to a list 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.560 of stuff. Well, we sprung this child porn syndicate. We 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.000 took down this, we protected those, We've clamped down on 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.679 online abuse. No, she just seems to be good at 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.280 running up a massive bill for taxpayers with all. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.240 These court cases. 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.280 Because of course it's not just this case, it's also 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:03.040 Billboard Chris, which we talked about a couple of months ago. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:04.760 If it was even that, it was more like a 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.560 matter of weeks where she had reached across jurisdictions. This 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.840 guy's in Canada and had simply tweeted saying, what is 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:13.760 this guy? 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.480 A dude who works as a health advisor to the 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.880 United Nations. What is he doing advising. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.280 Anyone on health when all his previous posts are about 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:28.199 best reality bondage, his pochon for orgies, etc. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:29.360 And so on. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.760 That is what the E Commissioner decided that she would 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.120 flex on, and now he's taking her to court over that, 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:38.480 as he should. 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.959 But again, who's paying for these court cases? You are? 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.880 I am, what a waste of money when this woman 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:50.160 could be dedicating her every waking moment to ripping off 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.520 child pornography. Just get it off the internet. Everyone's on 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.240 a unity ticket on that. You want to keep children 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.360 safe like you keep telling us go after that, not 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:03.800 these diculous cases that nobody even agrees with. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.600 And let's never forget it was a coalition government who 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.160 appointed the E Safety Commissioner in the first place. Peter 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.800 Dutton would be wise to make it a policy initiative 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.000 that if he wins government get rid of her, because, 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.199 as you said, what has she actually accomplished? 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.200 Indeed, But we should also remark that this trial is 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:25.480 not over. The trial will now continue to look at 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.200 the merits or you and I would say the lack 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:33.560 thereof of the E Safety commissioners demand to x. So 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.320 this is just a preliminary kind of at the beginning 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.800 of the trial, the judge is saying, look for the 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.600 extent of the trial or for now anyway, we're removing 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:45.800 the block on that video. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.680 But it's not over by a long shot. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.560 But as The Australian newspaper pointed out today, Elon Musk 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:55.280 won E Safety Commissioner nil in South Australia the state 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.479 premier there. He's gotten on the social media is evil bandwagon. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.240 He wants to make it impossible for children aged under 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.560 fourteen to have a social media account. Now this opens 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.440 up all sorts of cans of worms. Let's have a 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.840 listen to what he said and then will discuss the 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.800 merits of his brilliant idea. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:19.720 Is my government's objective to ban access two major social 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.280 media platforms for all children under the age of fourteen, 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.560 and then for fourteen and fifteen year olds they should 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:33.600 require parentalics consent before they can get access. 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.840 So I don't think there's any parent who would argue 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.560 that social media is having a detrimental effect on kids. 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.080 Think most people would agree with that, And there was 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.040 a survey done recently in South Australia that mirror surveys 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.800 around the world that a majority of people do think 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.720 that it would be better if young people were not 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:55.960 using social media. But to ban children under the age 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.120 of fourteen from using it and require fourteen and fifteen 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.240 year olds to have parent permission is a couple of things. Firstly, 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.640 is that okay to do or is that anti free 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.760 speech and the rights of individuals? Secondly, how do you 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.480 actually achieve that without instituting some sort of digital id 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.680 which won't just be applied to children trying to access 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.920 an Instagram or Facebook account, but rather will be used 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.560 for nefarious purposes for the rest of us. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.440 Yeah, indeed, and we saw. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.360 What will be really interesting about this inquiry is how 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.320 there because that's what the inquiry is, how do we 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:35.000 enforce such a thing. It bears mentioning that Instagram and Facebook, if. 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.160 You're opening an account with them, they require you to 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.200 be at least thirteen is of age. But it's not 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.200 That doesn't work because kids just lie. We're like, yeah, sure, 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:42.880 I'm thirteen. 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.680 Can I just say if you're thirteen and on Facebook, like, 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.480 what's wrong with you? Your grandmother's on Facebook? Just tell 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.200 kids grandmas on Facebook. They immediately won't want any part 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:52.360 of it. 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.600 Kids should be on Instagram and how they communicate with 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.120 their friendsends and photos and all the rest of it. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.480 So you already have that in place. It obviously doesn't work. 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.840 And if the government is to implement a bean then 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.160 of course it is going to take some very far reaching, 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:14.600 stringent conditions. And my first thought on this was when 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:18.320 in late twenty twenty the Morrison government did this whole 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.000 inquiry about online. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.359 Abuse and how can we crack down on it? 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.439 And one of the recommendations that came back was that 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:29.240 people would be required to have a social media passport 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.560 and to get one of those, you would have to 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.040 give these platforms at least one hundred points of identification, 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.080 your passport, your license. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:37.439 Whatever, whatever. 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:43.040 But what an impediment on privacy that is? They then 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:47.240 know exactly who you are, where you live, what your 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:52.159 political persuasions are like these platforms don't already have enough information, 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.600 which we've learned recently and quite a few times now, 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:56.680 especially from Meta. 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:58.280 They're more than happy to sell your. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:03.800 Data Ambridge Analytica. Great doco on Netflix if you want 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.240 to know how Facebook sold us all out in the 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:11.480 twenty sixteen election. But they want that data so they 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:15.040 can skew the public. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.080 Sentiment regarding anything, really, because if. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.760 You have that data, you can turn hearts and minds 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.840 whichever way you want them to go. But this would 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:27.879 require absolutely every single one of us undergoing this in 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.840 order to prove that we are who we say we 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:31.639 are and we are as old as we say we 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.600 are in order to access our own social media accounts. 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:40.960 I always say government always use the most reasonable and 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:46.200 rational argument for these kinds of moves, and people go, oh, well, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:46.600 we all. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:47.760 Want to protect kids online. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.440 Absolutely, that is the job of parents, And I am 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.400 sick and tired of the state stepping in and going, oh, we. 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:59.520 Have a solution to this problem. No, you don't. That 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.439 should be the jurisdiction of the parents. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.040 And you know full well that the only way to 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.800 implement something like this is going to require a loss 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.920 of privacy and therefore rights on behalf of everyday citizens 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:12.560 across the board. 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.040 And I'm not sure it really fixes the issue they're 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.080 trying to fix anyway, right, So I'm sympathetic to the 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.200 idea that that children probably shouldn't be on social media. 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:23.720 Brain rot, it's poison. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.640 It has proliferated bullying so badly because of course, once 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.400 upon a time, you know, you were a kid getting 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.080 bullied in the school yard, but you at least got 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.040 some respite when you went home and saw mum and dad. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.359 We don't even have that anymore, because they continue to 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.159 bully you when you get home via text message or 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:41.880 social media or whatever. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:42.119 It might be. 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.159 It is the decision of the parents whether or not 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.840 their kids are on social media, and they ought to 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.360 be monitoring that. But you can remove social media from 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.720 the mix and say, okay, well that's causing damage. So 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:57.719 we've removed social media, but presumably a child who is 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.800 in a position to be able to have a so 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.200 social media account has access to the Internet and a device, 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.720 whether it be a computer and iPad of phone whatever. Right, 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.480 and there's so much other stuff that they can consume 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.000 on the Internet anyway through so many other means that 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.359 oh yeah, so we've removed social media, but it doesn't 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.920 stop them going on any other website on the Internet. 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.000 And again that is a decision of the parents to make. 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.040 They can set up blocks on their internet service at home, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.280 and on and on it goes. It's for the parent 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.360 to decide so that he's not going to go on Facebook, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:33.000 so he's not going. 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:33.600 To get bullied. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:37.760 Well, great, they'll find some instant messaging service. Oh, kids 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.600 aren't dumb. They always find a way around. 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.320 Online games that kids play these days have a little 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:51.960 right discord, absolutely, so there's still problem is not solved. 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:52.879 Two more things on this. 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.119 Firstly, if they found a way to do this in 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:56.640 South Australia, how does it work. 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:57.639 When you've got one state? 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.240 Yeah, that makes it illegal, but you'll just go the 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.280 border and all of a sudden you've got the internet free. 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.200 The other thing here is if Peter Ramanowskus is really worried? 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.880 Did you call him use Malanowskis? 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.200 Ramanascus is a football player. Isn't he an AFL player? 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:14.240 Malanhawskis. 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.960 Anyway, if the Premier of South Australia is really concerned 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.720 about the welfare of young people, why did he vote 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.919