1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the heart of It. We're recording 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: today on gadigall Land and we've got a very special 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: episode for you Father's Day it's just around the corner, 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: and we wanted to celebrate all the incredible dads we've 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: had on the podcast. 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: Over the years. 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Of course, I am a dad myself, so today you'll 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: not only be hearing some of our favorite fatherhood memories 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: from our guests, but also a few special conversations with 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: my own kids. To start us off, let's go back 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: to our very first father son duo on the show, 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Richard and Christian Wilkins. Now, what really struck us was 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: the deep admiration between them, and I know you'll feel 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: the same way about their relationship as we did. Christian 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: also opened up about growing up with a famous dad 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: and how he navigated that as a kid. Enjoy this. 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: You are our first father and son relationship, said a 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: good thing. 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: It is a great thing. 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 4: We don't have to ask how you met and proposed 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 4: he was in the hospital love at first sight? 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: Was he there when you were born? 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: Were you there when. 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 2: Christian was born? I was there when he was born. Yeah, Yeah, 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: it's funny. He said something quite deep. The other day, 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: he said, you know, I've known you for all my life, 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: but you've only known me for the last twenty nine years, 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: which is quite amazing. 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 5: That is right, Yeah, kind of weird to think of 30 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 5: your parents having a life before here Like now, I'm 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 5: obviously the center of his universe, but I just assumed 32 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 5: that it was always that way. 33 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: Good luck with that. 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 4: You're always just the dream that he was having and 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 4: you arrived. That's what I tell about my kids. It 36 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: was like you were the sparkle in my eye before 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 4: you were born. You're always there. 38 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: He often walks into a room and introduces himself to people, saying, hey, 39 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: I'm Christian, I'm Richard's favorite child. I don't know if 40 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: you're so so not, Well, you did it. 41 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,639 Speaker 4: My my dad. 42 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: My dad had a great a true by the way, 43 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: my dad had a wonderful answer to Body, our youngest daughter, 44 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: because she said to him, Parpi, I'm your favorite granddaughter. 45 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: And Parpy said, well, body, if you're in front of 46 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: me right now, you are my favorite granddaughter. 47 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 6: Yeah. 48 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: There's eleven grades, eleven of them, and he makes them 49 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: all feel like he's their favorite. 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are their favorite. 51 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: Well, Christian you mentioned that you know about your dad 52 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: and knowing well that he had a life before you 53 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: were born. How was it growing up with a famous dad. 54 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 5: I always loved it because I always had that like 55 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 5: entertainer inside of me too, and I always found what 56 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 5: he did so exciting and I love following him around 57 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 5: and he'd be like, do you want to come to this, 58 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 5: like Kate Hudson premiere, And I'm like seven years I'm 59 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 5: like yes, like like adult things that I would have 60 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 5: no real interest in, But I just I was always 61 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 5: so inspired by him, and I loved the fact that 62 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 5: he loved what he did so much, and that really 63 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 5: motivated me to do the same thing with myself. 64 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 4: Did you know that Christian was going to head into 65 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 4: the entertainment industry early? 66 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: I think so because he's very talented and he's very 67 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: he was always interested in the business and knows more 68 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: now about social media about everything to do with it 69 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: with the business. You know, he's like a little Wikipedia 70 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: or Google there. You know, he knows so much about 71 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: so much of the business. But I think yeah, he 72 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: was always very theatrical when he was a youngster, and 73 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: I did used to drag him off to things, but 74 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: you know, if he was with me and I had 75 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: to go to London for a Harry Potter premiere or something, 76 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: was to do some interviews, you know, I use up 77 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: some points and take him along with me sort of things. Many, many, many, many. 78 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: Times were your mates or jealous of you that you 79 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 4: were able to go do that, go meet Daniel Radcliffe. 80 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: And yes, I. 81 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 5: Feel like I was good at sharing the good times around. 82 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 5: But I also think I was so grateful and had 83 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 5: so much like admiration for dad getting to do this 84 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 5: that I think people just kind of liked the positivity 85 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 5: that came with it, you know, Like I'd like to 86 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 5: think that I was never kind of like a snotty, 87 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 5: arrogant kid that was kind of bragging about it. It 88 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 5: was always sort of in a very genuine, loving place. 89 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 90 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: Of course, was there a moment, Christian where you realized 91 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: that maybe your dad was not like the other dads 92 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: at your school. 93 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 5: I remember being in kindergarten and someone coming out to 94 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 5: me and being like talking to me a lot because 95 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 5: my dad was on the Today Show, and like, obviously 96 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 5: I knew that, but that was just like what my 97 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 5: dad did. And I went and told my older sister 98 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 5: and she's like, well, you should have seen what it 99 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 5: was like in the nineties when he was on MTV, 100 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 5: because that was crazy. And I was like, oh, maybe 101 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 5: this thing is not like the other. 102 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite memory together? Is there something 103 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 4: that out of your childhood or when Christian was little 104 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 4: that or younger. Maybe it was you know last week. 105 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 4: Is there a favorite memory that you have with each other? 106 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: We've spent so much time together. Yeah, you know, we 107 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: really have. It's hard to isolate any one thing. I 108 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: think we've become incredibly close because we've just spent so 109 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: much time together. You know, he moved into to my 110 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: place when he was at school. His mum and I 111 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: used to you know, we never argued because we both 112 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: wanted him all the time. But you know, he's lived 113 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: under my roof from the age wild were you darlink 114 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: when you moved in seventeen something that full time, but 115 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: always stayed you know, the house. So we've become very 116 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: very very close. Love it. I don't know, is there 117 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: any thing that stands tall? Probably traveling around I don't know. 118 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we were planning a big family holiday 119 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 5: last year and it kind of got a little railroad things. 120 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 5: But Dad and I ended up going and spending a 121 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 5: couple of days in Santorini and then going to Sweden 122 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 5: for a friend's wedding. And there was one night, I 123 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 5: think it was our last night in Santorini, where I 124 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 5: just run down to the local stock got some euros 125 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 5: and we just sat watching the sunset playing Jim Rummy 126 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 5: and that was a pretty beautiful moment. 127 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: Next up, we're bringing you back to one of our 128 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: earliest episodes recorded during the pandemic with our daughter Body. 129 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: Like Christian, she shared what it was like having a 130 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: dad in the spotlight throughout her schooling years, and she 131 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: also opened up about potentially following in my footsteps, which 132 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: was pretty special to hear. Here's our daughter, Body. You're 133 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: living through some incredible change. You know at a very 134 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: young age, you're part of a generation that this is 135 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we wanted to talk to 136 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: you to get your thoughts on on on what's happening 137 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: in the world, because there's so there's so much change 138 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: around and you've been involved in change like we referred 139 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: to before, where you've moved country and you've uprooted your 140 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: life to come to an entirely different place and it's 141 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: a different culture. Would do you think Australian's Australia is 142 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: a different culture to America? 143 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 7: It definitely is, Yes, in what way? Well, for a start, okay, 144 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 7: drinking is a big part of the culture now, like 145 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 7: we're here in la I mean, I don't know. I 146 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 7: just I was never really raised around drinking that much, 147 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 7: and then I came here and it's everywhere it's like 148 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 7: you know, which, I mean, it's fine, but it was 149 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 7: just like very different. It's a yeah, it's a different culture, 150 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 7: but I mean I like it. 151 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: How is it? How is it now that you've moved 152 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: here and you've got your dad's Your dad really wasn't 153 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 4: that famous in America? Oh yeah, it's a lot more 154 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 4: famous that famous at all? 155 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: Had I had a moment there for a little bit? 156 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, true, but not sort of in her age? Yeah, yeah, 157 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 4: you're attacker. So when so now you've moved here and 158 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: dad's that's a bit of it. That's a bit of 159 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 4: a bit of a star, a bit famous horse. 160 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 7: Really your fluster dad? 161 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 3: What that makes you curious? 162 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: Do you think I get on my high horse? 163 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 164 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: Getting on your high horse? Anyway to you. 165 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 7: Oh, I don't think you do that. I don't know. 166 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 4: I don't think you do teasing. 167 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 7: So yeah, sometimes, yeah, the other night, yes, Dad, we 168 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 7: taped it and everything. You watched it twice. 169 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 4: Oh, the secrets are coming out. 170 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: And let's not forget mum because mom's. 171 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 7: Moms on TV. 172 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: Yes, she does a thing. 173 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: Usually is your sidekick every now and again. 174 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 7: It doesn't matter. 175 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: Basically, you know your parents are in the public eye 176 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: in this country. Does that bring anything to you? 177 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: Does that? 178 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: What's that meant. 179 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: In terms of your life? Do people treat you differently 180 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: or anything like that? 181 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 7: Occasionally, actually, especially in one particular lesson at school, I 182 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 7: will get treated a little bit differently. The teacher likes 183 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 7: to bring you guys up in almost every lesson. It's 184 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 7: kind of an inside choke with all my friends. They go, look, 185 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 7: they'll bring it. They'll bring your parents up again. Ready, ready, 186 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 7: Oh my god, they did it. 187 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 188 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: It's quite funny. 189 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 7: And people will come up to me and be like, 190 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 7: oh yeah, like kids at school or parents even like 191 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 7: teachers have come up to be and me and like, 192 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 7: oh yeah, my son goes to school with your cousin, 193 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 7: And I'll be like oh, okay, or you know, I mean, 194 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 7: I guess that happens anyways. But it's just sort of 195 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 7: the dad O name is a bit like I guess 196 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 7: with older people. 197 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 8: You're definitely older. 198 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: It's up to you to bring it. 199 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 7: With the younger people, you don't really hear about, like, 200 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 7: you know, like a fifteen year old going yeah, my god, 201 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 7: you know blah blah blah, although they will be like, yeah, 202 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 7: you know, my mum went to school with your dad 203 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 7: in year five, and I'll be like, okay, all right, 204 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 7: and then I'll be like, yeah, her name is blah 205 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 7: blah blah. And I'll come home to Dad and he's like, oh, yep, 206 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 7: I don't know who that is. 207 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: It's because I'm vague. 208 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 4: I know you fight. It's a long way. Yeah, it's 209 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 4: a long actly. I got to give you a break 210 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: on that one. 211 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: But you're as old as I am. 212 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, back back in the eighteen hundreds. It's hard to 213 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: remember that. It's not Yeah, it's not too different. 214 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 7: I still don't really think of you guys as being 215 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 7: famous really either, do I. So yeah, it's just like, 216 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 7: I mean, it's fun. It's cool when you guys are 217 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 7: having the makeup artist and the hairstylist and all that 218 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 7: come over to the house or something to do a 219 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 7: little interview with you guys. But yeah, I mean it's 220 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 7: too bad. 221 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 4: We cap dad and I have always said if anyone 222 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 4: was going to go into the entertainment industry, it would 223 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 4: be you. Is that something that you think you might 224 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 4: want to head into at some point? Are you interested 225 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 4: at all by it? 226 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 7: I am a bit as you guys know. I love 227 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 7: musical theater. I love singing loudly. 228 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 4: But he does not need a microphone. Yeah, got a 229 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: dance voice or. 230 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: A tremolone machine. You've got the brado going on. 231 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 7: Although I do I do like to sing, I guess properly, 232 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 7: I guess, but you know I do dance as well, 233 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 7: which I love that. But I don't know. I probably 234 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 7: I think if I wanted to, if I really wanted to, 235 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 7: I could, I think, go into the performing arts industry. 236 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: Of course, no Father's Day episode would be complete without 237 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: this unforgettable moment. It's when Hannahkonda, one of Australia's leading 238 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: drag entertainers, joined us. We read a quote from their 239 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: dad that stopped us in our tracks. It brought me 240 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: to tears, and I think it'll touch your heart to 241 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: take a listen. 242 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 4: We have a quote here from your dad. 243 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 3: Oh yes, I love this and. 244 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 4: It was ever sponds to a really shitty article and 245 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 4: hateful woman. 246 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: I remember her. 247 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 4: Do you want to read it? Yeah? 248 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: Oh, my God. 249 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: Of it. 250 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 4: It's so beautiful. 251 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Because this is going to I think because we have 252 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: a son, River who's been dressing in well he hasn't, 253 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: he hasn't kept up kept up with it, but he 254 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: certainly threw all of his boyhood. He dressed as princesses 255 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: and loves and so I think this is going to 256 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: hit me. 257 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 4: So I don't know read it because I haven't ready. 258 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: No, I'm going to take a big deep breath. 259 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: Okay, why not? Okay, Yeah, this is okay, Okay. 260 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: My son is Hannahkonda, a drag queen, and a very 261 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: good one at that. He is a beautiful human being 262 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: who has dedicated much of his life to his craft, 263 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: his family, and above all, his community. I too, will 264 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes political posting mama to protect my children. 265 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: But my job as a parent is to give them 266 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: a good grounding in their life and to be supportive 267 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: of their endeavors to lead by example guide them to 268 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: becoming good citizens in our wider community. I have seen 269 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: firsthand and way too often, the terrible sadness that exists 270 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: with young people who are not accepted by their own 271 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: families because they are merely gay. If you really want 272 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: to make a difference in the world we live in, 273 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: start by being a nice person. 274 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 9: Oh that's your dad, that's your dad, or dad he 275 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 9: is he is like he I have said it before. 276 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 9: He's like he is my hero. Both my mom and 277 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 9: my dad are very called them new age. We'd like 278 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 9: when we grew up, we did like reiki, we did 279 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 9: hands on healing as a family. You know, we've always 280 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 9: been like like things were going wrong with like mental 281 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 9: health or whatever, we'd be like theraph he was a 282 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 9: big thing. 283 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: We're a very open family. 284 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 9: We talk about a lot of stuff, and I think 285 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 9: that sometimes gets Jack a little bit because I'm a talker, 286 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 9: I'm an open book and we go and like our 287 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 9: family is very very open and like Jack sometimes goes, oh. 288 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: My god, this is a lot. 289 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 4: He's also British. 290 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: It is also they're very reserved and they don't really 291 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 3: do that. 292 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 9: But my dad he he is just an example of 293 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 9: somebody that you know, can't understand how anybody could not 294 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 9: love their child for for who they are, Like they 295 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 9: take us where where they guide us and that and 296 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 9: that's the fundamental lesson he's always taught us, is that 297 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 9: we just we pay our taxes and we be good people. 298 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: Like that is it? 299 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 9: You know, he said you could have nothing, but as 300 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 9: long as you smile and be a good person, that's 301 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 9: all I want from my children. 302 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: And I think that's a really important. 303 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 9: Lesson and somethingbody else is there, you know, like people 304 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 9: want to work and be around nice people and that 305 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 9: are easy to easy to be around. And my dad 306 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 9: is definitely that person. He's Yeah, he's a superhero, he 307 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 9: really is. When he wrote that as well, like it 308 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 9: just I didn't know he was doing that, and. 309 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: Oh, I just melted my heart, like because I was. 310 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 9: I wasn't because in drag you over the years, there's 311 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 9: been so many things staring us, but we get a 312 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 9: thick skin, like we've got very thick skin. 313 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: So even though that, you know, because. 314 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 9: I was getting death threats, so I was getting all 315 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 9: these horrible things sent to me, and I just didn't 316 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 9: let it face me because you just carry on. But 317 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 9: my dad he was like, no, I'm not standing for 318 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 9: this because he has seen when he's come to the bars, 319 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 9: how many kids deserted by their family and they become 320 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 9: like surrogate parents. And they sit there and they talk 321 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 9: and they have all these like you know, kids all 322 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 9: around them, just sitting and enjoying. And there's a photo 323 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 9: of them that goes on their on their TV at 324 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 9: home with them and they're like, oh, there are leather 325 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 9: daddy friends that they met, just these old older couple 326 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 9: that live in Kidney and there there the leather daddies. 327 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 3: We love our leather daddy friends. 328 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 9: Yeah, but they just you know, nothing fased it. And 329 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 9: I feel like that's very similar to the two of you. 330 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 9: It's that I think your essence is very much the 331 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 9: same as what my parents are, and you know, you 332 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 9: just take people where they're at and just yeah, you 333 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 9: know who's just being a good person. And you both 334 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 9: do that and I feel like you'd get along with 335 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 9: my mom. 336 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 4: And I love that you're ready. 337 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 338 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: Then there's afl legend Adam Cooney, who joined us with 339 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: his wife Haley. Adam spoke about becoming a step dad 340 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: as a teenager and how that shaped him as a father. 341 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: Haley also shared how much she admires the way he 342 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: supported her through miscarriage, with Adam also sharing how he 343 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: coped with that lost side of fatherhood that isn't often 344 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: spoken about. 345 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: Adam was so. 346 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: Candid and honest in this conversation, and it really stayed 347 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: with us. He's Adam Cooney. 348 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 4: Adam, You've you've spoken really openly and beautifully about you know, 349 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 4: meeting Haley and of course beautiful Ash and basically becoming 350 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 4: a dad. You know what I mean, because you were 351 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 4: immediately in the dad role, you know, when you were 352 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 4: with when you were with Hailey. How was that for you? 353 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 4: I mean, what was that like for you? 354 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 10: At the time, I didn't really think it was a 355 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 10: big deal. I didn't think much of it. As Haley said, 356 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 10: it was a package deal. I always knew that. But 357 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 10: I guess when they moved over, I had a lot 358 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 10: of my friends and a lot of advice coming. You know, 359 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 10: do you think you're ready for this? Your only most 360 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 10: people did say what the hell are you doing? I 361 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 10: just I didn't ever really think that it was a 362 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 10: massive responsibility. And Ash has a few challenges as well, 363 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 10: and I sort of. When Haley moved over, I worked 364 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 10: with her on a number of things and that sort 365 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 10: of kept me busy and we grew a bond from that. 366 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 10: So yeah, and I look back on it now and 367 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 10: it was actually huge. It's probably it was a big deal, 368 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 10: but I just didn't think of it at the time. 369 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 11: Yeah, Like I said, now, we have a sixteen year old. 370 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 11: I think if he came home was like, hey, I've 371 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 11: met this girl. She got a kid, I'd be like what. 372 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 11: But we just took it. We were just like, well, yeah, 373 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 11: what's the big deal sort of thing, like yeah, sure, 374 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 11: it's just it's just, yeah, going to happen. 375 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 4: Love does that, doesn't it When you're that much in love, 376 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 4: it's like, well, we'll figure everything else out because we're together. 377 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 11: We did that, didn't. We sort of just went, let's 378 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 11: take it on. We're just going to make it happen. 379 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 11: We knew it was going to work. So and yeah, 380 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 11: we have people now that say wow, like we didn't 381 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 11: think it was going to last or you know, and 382 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 11: here we are now. I think this ye would be 383 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 11: married for sixteen years and it feels like yesterday. 384 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: It feels like forever ago. 385 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 11: But it feels like yesterday. 386 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 387 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 11: Yeah, when we before we had Bax, we misscarried a 388 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 11: couple of times and I. 389 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 4: Think I'm sorry, Yeah, thank you. 390 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 12: Know. 391 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 11: That was a really hard time. I was here without 392 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 11: my mum and my sister, who were huge, more than 393 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 11: my bestest friends. 394 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was. 395 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 11: A really tough time and for Adam to ride that 396 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 11: emotion with me, because it's hard for men, even though 397 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 11: it's their loss too, really hard, I think for some 398 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 11: men to understand the actual feeling of that loss. And 399 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 11: Adam at what twenty one, I think I was twenty twenty. 400 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 11: He was amazing and I was a nightmare. I was 401 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 11: beside myself and obviously I didn't have anyone here. And 402 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 11: I thought afterwards, I thought, if we can get through 403 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 11: the years like boring it on, we can get through anything. 404 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 11: And yeah, that's for me. I don't know about you, 405 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 11: but that for me was huge. 406 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 10: Well and again there was well we're both young and 407 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 10: and it happened a couple of times and it was 408 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 10: just a Hailey had sort of just moved over from Adelaide, 409 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 10: so you mentioned she didn't have that support there and 410 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 10: she was just so sad months until and then we 411 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 10: were obviously trying and then each month it didn't happen. 412 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 10: Then there's that sadness again, and then another miscarriage. So 413 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 10: it was probably it was probably a year and. 414 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 11: A half before we felt pregnant. And I think being 415 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 11: a part of a food club as well, there's a 416 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 11: lot of other pregnancies around you at the time. 417 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 4: Sure it makes it so much more pain. 418 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 11: Yeah, you see pregnant people wherever you go. So yeah, 419 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 11: for Adam to really stand up at such a young 420 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 11: age and yeah, that that's a pretty that was pretty 421 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 11: a standout for me. I knew it was a keeper then, Yeah. 422 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: Adam, was that Was that a nate for you or 423 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: were you getting some help through the footy club or 424 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: through parents or. 425 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 10: No, I was just focusing on helping Haley, to be 426 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 10: honest with you, and some of the advice that I 427 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 10: got after we miscarried the first time was from football 428 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 10: club people, some other people that were close to me, 429 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 10: was well, don't do that again. 430 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 3: Yeah he judgedable that. 431 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 10: Yeah, that was that was and that was sort of 432 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 10: confronting at the time. Some of the some of the 433 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 10: advice that I got, considering that I actually wanted to 434 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 10: have a baby myself. It probably wasn't a lot of 435 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 10: trust in you know, a young relationship with two people 436 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 10: from a football club side of things, and and some 437 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 10: other people that were close to us. So but yeah, 438 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 10: my focus on was trying to get Hailey happy really 439 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 10: and that when I was it was a confusing time 440 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 10: when obviously you miscarry and trying to support but not 441 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 10: really quite understanding what she was going through. And it 442 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 10: was well, thanks, thanks, but we got there in the end, 443 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 10: and then Jax came along and then we were done. 444 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 10: Beautiful one l one boy, perfect, shut up shop and 445 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 10: then of course Sally changes her mind. Couple of years 446 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 10: later along came had to Go. 447 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 4: Again, Carrot Super Carrot Top one. 448 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 11: She came out with red hair wiring from day one. 449 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 4: I think the third one often are actually our third 450 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 4: was just the same thing. Came out with the loudest 451 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 4: voice screaming she's never. 452 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 12: Stopped being the loudest and the sassyest and oh looie yeah. 453 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: And finally we couldn't wrap up without including a clip 454 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: with our sun River. I've always been so impressed by 455 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: his resilience and his ability to be unapologetically himself, and 456 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: in this conversation we talked about how I had to 457 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: learn to meet him where he's at and connect with 458 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: him through his interests. I couldn't be proud of my son. 459 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: Take a listen. Since you were young, you've always been authentic. 460 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: You've always walked to the beat of your own drum. 461 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: You've you've you've shown me and just through being you 462 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: some great lessons in who you are. You've been really 463 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 1: true to yourself. And it started for me when you 464 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: were about I don't know, as soon as you could walk. Really, 465 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: you like the look of Mum's high heel shoes and 466 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: you always got people to walk and then you sparkles 467 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: and your dresses and things like that, and it was 468 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: always you were like, yeah, just just do it. And 469 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: then I came from you. Do you remember when I 470 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: came out in a dress. 471 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 8: Yeah, it was Mum's nightgown, Nady. Yeah, when the seams 472 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 8: were splitting down the sight and. 473 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: You were like, dadda, what are you doing? And I'm like, well, 474 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: I've been watching you'd wear a dress, so I thought 475 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: I'd better try one. 476 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 2: It's really comfy. 477 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 4: Yeah. You and Lola were in the bath, weren't you, 478 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 4: And it. 479 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 8: Didn't it really it didn't. It didn't land, I think 480 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 8: as well as Dad wanted it to, because I think 481 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 8: we were just more confused than anything. 482 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 4: Lows tells the story. You might remember too. Lola tells it, 483 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 4: and I remember the sound of the ripping of the seeds. 484 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 6: Is Dad, yes, talk about overstuffing his sausage. 485 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 4: You gave it a good shot. 486 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: Was there another time that I bought the pink and 487 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: black one from the op shop? 488 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: The hour glass. 489 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: One, because that's the one I was thinking about. I'm 490 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: not really having much of a memory about me months. 491 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: There was a pink and. 492 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: Black dress that I that I put on once and 493 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: you were like, dude, dud me, and so what are 494 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: you doing? And I'm like, oh, you know, it's just 495 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: and it was. I guess it was my way of 496 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: wanting to support who you were, because I also remember 497 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: throwing a ball towards you at one point, going here, 498 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: catch this, and you just hit you on the chest 499 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: and you burst into tears and like, what are you 500 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: throwing that at me? 501 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 10: For? 502 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: I got to find another way with you, you know, 503 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: to that's finding your interests. And it took me a 504 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: while to sort that soort that out. So here you 505 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: were as a young a young boy wanting to wear dresses. Halloween, 506 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: you dressed up as princesses, and we might talk about 507 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: a moment which was hugely teachable for me in your 508 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: school playground and delivering you to school in your princess dress. 509 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: But so it wasn't whether you were gay, straight, or 510 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: any of those sort of things. At what point did 511 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: you realize that you were gay? Because it wasn't It 512 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: could have gone anyway at that point. 513 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 4: It's about wearing dresses that made him gay or may 514 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 4: not made him gay. But yeah, that wasn't the clue 515 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 4: or anything. But yeah, I. 516 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 8: Don't actually remember, like there's never like a penny drop 517 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 8: moment for me, Like I can't ever remember being like, oh, yeah, 518 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 8: that's it, that's that's what like, that's what's happening. But like, yeah, 519 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 8: it was. It's just like this. It was just like 520 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 8: a weird gradual progression where I was like do you 521 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 8: and do I like it? 522 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 7: Maybe? 523 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 4: And then I was like okay, And then. 524 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 8: I think probably like the transition between year like year 525 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 8: eight and year nine is when it was like, yeah, 526 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 8: I not not into girls at all. 527 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, And did you find yourself were you attracted to 528 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 4: a guide. Is that or you just knew you were 529 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 4: to girls. 530 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 8: I just knew I didn't really like I wasn't attracted 531 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 8: to women at all. Yeah, yeah, like there wasn't. There 532 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 8: wasn't any men that I would see like obviously, yeah, 533 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 8: you see them on the street and you're like, oh, 534 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 8: that's a good looking guy. But it's never like that. 535 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 8: I can't remember a singular guy that was like gay 536 00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 8: awakening that kind of thing. 537 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 4: Oh, I've not heard that time. Have there been any 538 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 4: challenges that you have faced since then with your sexuality? 539 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 8: No, I don't think so. 540 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 7: I was. 541 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 8: I feel like I got super super lucky, Like there 542 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 8: was never you know, my friend, I feel like all 543 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 8: my friends in America at least knew well before I 544 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 8: did that I didn't like girls, and I think that's 545 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 8: why they they were. Yeah, I think back, and I'm like, 546 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 8: I was having sleepovers with girls when I was like 547 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 8: what eight or nine, Yes, like my best friend from 548 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 8: like two years old, Like, they're all females, so and 549 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 8: I think their parents obviously were like, Okay, this is 550 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 8: clearly there's no no issues here whatsoever. And I remember 551 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 8: one of my best friends actually she was having Sophia 552 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 8: I was having I was you know how she used 553 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,239 Speaker 8: to have her big summer birthday party in August and 554 00:28:54,280 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 8: I remember one year we usually what would happen and 555 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 8: it's like boys would go home and the girls would 556 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 8: get to sleep over. And I remember Kathy Kat, Sophia's mum, 557 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 8: pulled me aside and she was like, do you want 558 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 8: to sleep over? Do you want to spend the night? Yeah, 559 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 8: And I was like, yeah, I want to spend the night. 560 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 8: And it was so much fun because like that was 561 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 8: I was like got to say and I was like 562 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 8: the only guy that was there, and it was that 563 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 8: was before I came out, so it was like everyone knew, 564 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 8: Like it wasn't a shock to anyone. Yeah, yeah, and 565 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 8: high school was yeah, high school was fine, and yeah, 566 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 8: there was no no. I never had anyone outwardly say 567 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 8: anything to me, not even not even here, not even 568 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 8: in Australia. 569 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: Like it was very easy. 570 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 8: I think I just got lucky. 571 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: There was that moment, as I alluded to before, in 572 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: the playground, walking you across the playground to deliver you 573 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: to class. You were probably in about maybe second or 574 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: third grade at school, and you were dressed as Rapunzel 575 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: in this resplendent sort of a white gown and blonde hair, 576 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: and you and I was holding your hand and you 577 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: had your lunch pale and we're walking across and then 578 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: that boy called out from a second dressed like a girl, 579 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: and I remember feeling this fury and as I grabbed 580 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: your and I looked at you, and you and you 581 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: just looked up and just cut you stopped for a 582 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: second to see who it was. And then it was 583 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: like you've raised your hand or your wand and just 584 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: went like that and kept walking. It didn't it seemed 585 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: to roll. It just didn't seem to hit you at alls, like, yeah, but. 586 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 4: He was dressed as a girl. I know, yeah so, but. 587 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: It was such a it was a moment high well 588 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: it was I'm getting myself in a conversation cul de 589 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 1: sac here. But it's like the guy wasn't saying it 590 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: as a compliment. 591 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: It was right. 592 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 4: That was a tone. 593 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: There was a definite tone. 594 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 4: That eight year old had a tone to his voice. 595 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: He's older than that. He was like a sixth grader. 596 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: He should have known better yelling at a little kid 597 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: walking through the thing. And I'm still mad at him. Now, 598 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: but it was the way you took it, and it 599 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: was who you were, and I just thought, you know, 600 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: and I looked at it and walked away and just went, Wow, 601 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: he's what a kid. 602 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: You know. 603 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: He's just doing he's just doing what he does. 604 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 4: Well, there you go. 605 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning into today's episode. It 606 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: was so great to go back and listen to these 607 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: moments from the show over the years and highlight some 608 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: incredible dads out there, and of course to listen back 609 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: to my own kids and some really special conversations with them. 610 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: Happy Father's date to all the dads and father figures. 611 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 1: It's a very important and privileged place to hold. Our 612 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: daughters and sons depend on us in ways that we 613 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: can only imagine. And if your dad's about, give him 614 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: a hug from us too. That's it from us till 615 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: next week. Thanks for joining us on the heart of it.