WEBVTT - Episode 14: Payback

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Hedley Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>Sick to Death is based on my book of the

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<v Speaker 2>same name, and it's the true story of doctor Jan

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<v Speaker 2>Patel's lies and manipulation and the herculean.

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<v Speaker 1>Effort it took to finally stop him.

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<v Speaker 2>We've used voice actors throughout this series, and on occasion

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<v Speaker 2>the real people from the story have read their words

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<v Speaker 2>for us.

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<v Speaker 1>It is brought to you by me and the Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>Chapter sixty four Payback July two thousand and five. The

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that the hearings in Bunderberg had been tragic, grueling

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<v Speaker 2>and at times gratuitously graphic. Bloody wounds, cover ups, perforated bowels, maladministration, oozing,

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<v Speaker 2>pass missed opportunities, all of it amid tension and uncertainty

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<v Speaker 2>raised by the looming Supreme Court challenge by Darren Keating

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<v Speaker 2>and Peter Leck. If the challenge should succeed in bringing

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<v Speaker 2>about the abolition of the inquiry, we feared it would

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<v Speaker 2>all have been for nothing. In declaring himself unbiased, Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Morris had made an impassioned speech about the ramifications of

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<v Speaker 2>his ousting.

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<v Speaker 1>It would, he explained.

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<v Speaker 3>Have very grave personal consequences for the individuals who wished

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<v Speaker 3>to see an outcome to this, and the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>presses most upon my mind is the gruesome stories that

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<v Speaker 3>we've heard over.

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<v Speaker 1>The past three or four weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>He omissed mention of the grave personal consequences for himself.

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<v Speaker 2>For most of the inquiry staff, journalists and the support crew.

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<v Speaker 2>It was almost time to return to families in Brisbane.

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<v Speaker 2>We had been based in Bunderberg for a month in

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<v Speaker 2>the lecture hall in the Education Center where the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>was being heard. Some of the reporters began planning a

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<v Speaker 2>fitting farewell to Bunderberg, a dinner party at the Indian

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<v Speaker 2>Curry Bizarre restaurant, Patel's favorite. Jane Hodgkinson, the nine network

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<v Speaker 2>senior reporter, showed me a list of mock awards. They

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<v Speaker 2>were directed mostly at the media, a few lawyers, and

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<v Speaker 2>the inquiry staff. We hoped they would raise a laugh

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<v Speaker 2>for being mentioned from time to time by Tony Morris,

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<v Speaker 2>who had that day referred to me as quote the

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<v Speaker 2>most reliable oracle quote while clarifying something I had actually misreported.

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<v Speaker 2>I would receive the teacher's pet gong. Sean Parnell, whose

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<v Speaker 2>articles in The Australian had caused Maurice Heartburn was deemed

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<v Speaker 2>best ghost writer for his absence from an inquiry he

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<v Speaker 2>kept writing about. There were a couple of gongs for

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<v Speaker 2>the patients, for lifting his shirt to show his wound

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<v Speaker 2>to journalists, and for asking the inquiry staff to post

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<v Speaker 2>on its official website several photographs of his swollen and

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<v Speaker 2>split abdomen. Ian Fleming would receive a show me Your

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<v Speaker 2>Wound Award, and one of our favorite patients, Beryl Crosby,

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<v Speaker 2>the indefatigable chain smoking leader of the support group, would

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<v Speaker 2>be blessed with a Dirty Ashtray Award. Jeff dem the

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer for Darren Keating, would be flattered by his special

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<v Speaker 2>mention an award for courage under fire. Similarly, John Allen,

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<v Speaker 2>the tough but eminently fair lawyer for the nurses, would

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<v Speaker 2>receive a glowing tribute. Jane Hodgkinson, together with Channel ten's

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<v Speaker 2>Dannie l Eisdale, Channel seven's Kathy Weiss, and myself, expanded

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<v Speaker 2>the list. Word of our plans to party soon reached

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<v Speaker 2>the Inquiry staff, who were all welcome. The affable senior

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<v Speaker 2>counsel assisting David Andrews was determined to make it a success.

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<v Speaker 2>He volunteered to bring plenty of wine before.

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<v Speaker 1>We left for the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Linda Mulligan, the hospital's former director of nursing, whose management

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<v Speaker 2>style was criticized by Tony Hoffman and other nurses, gave

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<v Speaker 2>her evidence. Tony Morris looked and sounded agitated. He regarded

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<v Speaker 2>Linda Mulligan's answers as unsatisfactory.

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<v Speaker 3>What I read in your statement is that every time

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<v Speaker 3>there's a problem, you give the textbook bureaucratic answer. You

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<v Speaker 3>need more training, you need mediation, you need skills development,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got communications problems. All those textbook bureaucratic answers, rather

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<v Speaker 3>than the natural reaction from a senior nurse, which is

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<v Speaker 3>to go and support her staff, see what they're saying,

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<v Speaker 3>provide them with the comfort they need, ascertained the facts

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<v Speaker 3>for herself, and dealed with a problem in a hands

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<v Speaker 3>on way.

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<v Speaker 2>Mulligan's reply that she had suggested everyone sit down together

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<v Speaker 2>did not plicate Morris. The next witness, George Connolly, a

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<v Speaker 2>white haired and frighteningly frail sixty seven year old, needed

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<v Speaker 2>help to reach the stand. He took small steps while

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<v Speaker 2>pushing along a large bottle of oxygen and other life

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<v Speaker 2>saving paraphernalia. Just drawing breath was an effort for Connolly,

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<v Speaker 2>who suffered from a collapsed lung and emphysema.

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<v Speaker 1>He was gravely ill.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted to talk about the death of his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>Doreen after a hospital bungle. Morris gave the widower a

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<v Speaker 2>sympathetic hearing. Connolly asked to be able to say something.

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<v Speaker 2>In closing with great effort, the emaciated pension slowly rose

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<v Speaker 2>to his feet. In a rasping voice, he said.

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<v Speaker 4>Today and over the last weeks, we've heard a man

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<v Speaker 4>carry out an inquiry under enormous strain.

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<v Speaker 2>Connolly then raised his voice to ensure that nobody misheard.

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<v Speaker 2>The TV reporters knew even then that this grab would

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<v Speaker 2>lead their report for the Evening News.

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<v Speaker 4>He's been pushed by the government, He's been pushed by

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<v Speaker 4>everyone else under the sun. The hospital has taken him

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<v Speaker 4>to court and everything. I have nothing but more appreciation

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<v Speaker 4>for that man, mister Morris, for standing up and showing

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<v Speaker 4>guts and standing up and fighting our health system. And

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<v Speaker 4>I like everyone now to stand up put their hands

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<v Speaker 4>together for mister Morris.

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<v Speaker 2>Those in the public gallery stood and gave Morris a

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<v Speaker 2>rousing standing ovation. The lawyers and the journalists remain seated

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<v Speaker 2>out of professionalism, and Morris looked deeply touched.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mister Connolly. We'll take a ten minute break.

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<v Speaker 2>After Connolly shuffled away, and news editors in Brisbane rewrote

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<v Speaker 2>the bulletin the hits kept coming for Linda Mulligan. Her

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<v Speaker 2>weighty written statement was likened by Tony Morris to a

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<v Speaker 2>telephone book. Mulligan's barrister, Alan mcsparan told Morris that his

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<v Speaker 2>questioning was objectionable.

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<v Speaker 5>You have entered the arena, taken an active role to

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<v Speaker 5>denigrate this witness and in my submission quite unfairly.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there any reason why I can't use appropriate forensic

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<v Speaker 3>resources to get at the truth?

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<v Speaker 5>Morris replied, well, no one is objecting to you conducting

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<v Speaker 5>yourself and conducting the inquiry appropriately.

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<v Speaker 1>Ms Boran said.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, mister leck Is, he's taking me to the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 2>Morris counted a few hours later at the restaurant, about

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five of us headed upstairs to a special table

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<v Speaker 2>setting organized by Pam Samra, who used to look forward

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<v Speaker 2>to Patel's visits there. We had most of the dining

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<v Speaker 2>room to ourselves. The only other diners were at a

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<v Speaker 2>table on the far side. About ten pm, Jane Hodgkinson

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<v Speaker 2>asked me to join her in announcing the mock awards.

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<v Speaker 2>Halfway into the announcements, the diners on the far side

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<v Speaker 2>arose to leave. On her way across the room, one woman,

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<v Speaker 2>Pat Matthews, spoke sharply. She said, oh, very nice. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure the patients would love to hear that. We groaned

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<v Speaker 2>when we discovered later that she was head of the

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<v Speaker 2>Patient Liaison service for Queensland Health. Her words had cut

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<v Speaker 2>the jovial atmosphere to ribbons. The banter was muted in

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<v Speaker 2>the hour before we headed back to our accommodation. The

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<v Speaker 2>next morning, David Andrews chipper as ever, despite his sore head,

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<v Speaker 2>joined Tony Morris and the Deputy Commissioners on a visit

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<v Speaker 2>to the hospital. Andrews recognized the district Manager, Monica Seth,

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<v Speaker 2>who had taken over from Peter Leck as the hospital's

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<v Speaker 2>manager in these trying times. She had been in the

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<v Speaker 2>group with Pat Matthews at the restaurant. On the last

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<v Speaker 2>day of evidence in Bunderberg. Other Queensland Health staff took

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<v Speaker 2>time out to visit the inquiry. They jotted notes while

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<v Speaker 2>scanning the public gallery to identify journalists and inquiry staff.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they went back to work to swear statutory affidavits

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<v Speaker 2>accusing us of lampooning the patients in clinical episodes involving

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<v Speaker 2>harm to patients. Queensland Health staff had moved like aged sloths.

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<v Speaker 2>They took an eternity to investigate, even where lives were

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<v Speaker 2>at risk. But within twelve hours of last drinks at

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<v Speaker 2>the Indian Curry Bazaar in Bunderberg, the acting head of

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland Health, doctor John Scott, was relaying to Premier Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Beatty a dozen Affi davits from the staff in Bunderberg.

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<v Speaker 2>Oblivious to the gathering storm. Many of the reporters in

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<v Speaker 2>the inquiry room were visibly moved by widow Tess Bramach.

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<v Speaker 2>She told Tony Morris and his two deputies.

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<v Speaker 6>The only comfort for me to let my husband and

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<v Speaker 6>soulmate go is to think the health system will be fixed.

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<v Speaker 6>I thank you on behalf of our children and all

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<v Speaker 6>the rest of Desmond's family.

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<v Speaker 2>In Brisbane, John Scott raised with Premier Peter Beatty whether

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<v Speaker 2>our antics at the Indian Curry Bazaar might constitute official

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<v Speaker 2>misconduct a criminal offense, so Beattie wrote to Robert Needham,

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<v Speaker 2>the head of Queensland's anti corruption body, the Crime and

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<v Speaker 2>Misconduct Commission. As we boarded the last flight from Bunderberg

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<v Speaker 2>to Brisbane that Thursday afternoon, Morris already knew that Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Beatty had a bee in his bonnet about the previous night.

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Hodgkinson and I swapped intelligence on what we had

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<v Speaker 2>heard might be brewing. We knew that something had been

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<v Speaker 2>leaked to Sean Parnell at the Australian. I felt sure

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<v Speaker 2>that if Parnell planned to write anything, he would call

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<v Speaker 2>me first to check on the claims or to seek comment.

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<v Speaker 1>We had been colleagues.

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<v Speaker 2>David Andrews was unworried as the aircraft left Bunderberg behind.

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<v Speaker 7>Nobody did anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>The next morning, while reading the Australians online edition, I

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<v Speaker 2>see that the story that was.

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<v Speaker 8>Published a raucus dinner involving barristers for the so called

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<v Speaker 8>doctor death inquiry and journalists covering the proceedings has sparked

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<v Speaker 8>a scandal in the central Queensland sugartown of Bunderberg. Premier

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<v Speaker 8>Peter Beatty will be asked to take action over the

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<v Speaker 8>dinner Bunderberg's Indian Curry Bazaar, which was attended by thirty

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<v Speaker 8>three people and featured a mock awards ceremony. The complaints

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<v Speaker 8>to mister Beattie raised the prospect of an official misconduct investigation,

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<v Speaker 8>which could only be done by the Crime and Misconduct Commission.

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<v Speaker 8>The Australian has learned the barristers assisting the four million

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<v Speaker 8>dollar inquiry, David Andrews sc and Errol Moore Zone and

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<v Speaker 8>other Commission staff, were present at the dinner on Wednesday night,

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<v Speaker 8>on the eve of the completion of the inquiry's bunderberg sittings.

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<v Speaker 8>Two journalists presented a series of awards to those present

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<v Speaker 8>at the dinner, seemingly unaware that a group of health

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<v Speaker 8>staff were seated at a nearby table.

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<v Speaker 2>The story went on to smear the inquiry staff, none

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<v Speaker 2>of whom had any prior knowledge of the mock awards. Surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 2>none of the inquiry staff or the journalists had been

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<v Speaker 2>contacted for and on the record comment the angle cut

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<v Speaker 2>us deeply. The mock awards were poking fun at our

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<v Speaker 2>selves where the patients were mentioned. It was good humored

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<v Speaker 2>to me. The Patel story was simple negligent health system

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<v Speaker 2>introduces negligent surgeon to unwitting patients, resulting in very poor outcomes.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Patel as part of a big picture and

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<v Speaker 2>the catalyst for overdue reform. Sean Parnell took a generally

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<v Speaker 2>contrary approach in his reporting. To his great credit, he

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<v Speaker 2>had identified major flaws in the conduct of Tony Morris

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<v Speaker 2>as inquiry had. The explanation by Sean Parnell of these

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<v Speaker 2>flaws was a recurring theme in his articles. But it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to me that in playing Marris the man harder

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<v Speaker 2>than the ball, he focused less on the serious systemic

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<v Speaker 2>issues of the health system. This had the effect of

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<v Speaker 2>immunizing the political leadership and Queensland Health's chieftains. The conduct

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<v Speaker 2>of Marris paled into insignificance compared with the plight of

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<v Speaker 2>those patients unnecessarily dying or being maimed in hospitals because

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<v Speaker 2>of unsafe or inadequate care. The awards night triggered fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Beattie and his staff began to flood media outlets with

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<v Speaker 2>copies of the affidavits. The Premier ordered the state government

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<v Speaker 2>jet to go to Bunderberg to meet patient in Fleming

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<v Speaker 2>on the tarmac, and in one of his most repugnant

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<v Speaker 2>performances of two thousand and five, the politician hugged him

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<v Speaker 2>like a long lost brother while apologizing repeatedly.

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<v Speaker 1>Danny l.

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<v Speaker 2>Eisdale and the ABC's reporter Alex Graham, both of whom

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<v Speaker 2>witnessed the embrace and the platitudes, were disgusted. Fleming appeared

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<v Speaker 2>to be crying when Alex Graham asked Bettie at an

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<v Speaker 2>impromptu press conference on the airport tarmac whether his calls

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<v Speaker 2>for a crime and Misconduct commission inquiry, his apparent outrage,

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<v Speaker 2>and his use of public funds to divert the jet

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<v Speaker 2>to Bunderberg for the photo opportunity with it Ian Fleming

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<v Speaker 2>were really desperate attempts to divert attention from the crisis

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<v Speaker 2>plaguing his government. Betty turned on the aggression, as Alex

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<v Speaker 2>Graham had been at the restaurant. Beatty angrily declared to

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<v Speaker 2>her that she had no right to be asking him

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<v Speaker 2>about his responses. She showed great composure and common sense.

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<v Speaker 2>She turned to an ABC colleague and asked him to

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<v Speaker 2>repeat the question. Beattie wanted the reporters who had been

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<v Speaker 2>what he called ring leaders at the Awards Night banned

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<v Speaker 2>from covering the inquiry. He wanted me taken off this assignment.

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<v Speaker 2>If not fired, it was the ultimate get square. His

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<v Speaker 2>staff sent the affidavids to David Fagan, the editor.

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<v Speaker 9>Beattie thundered the major players in this shouldn't cover the

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<v Speaker 9>inquiry anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in his chambers at George Street, Brisbane, Tony Morris

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<v Speaker 2>was almost apoplectic with fury. He had the Australian newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>in his sights. In a ten am media release and

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<v Speaker 2>a subsequent fiery media conference, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Story written by Sean Parnell is a monstrous beat up

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<v Speaker 3>and calls into serious question the author's motives, if not

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<v Speaker 3>his journalistic ethics and professionalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Morris said.

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<v Speaker 2>He accused Sean Parnell of acting.

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<v Speaker 3>As unofficial press correspondent for the senior bureaucracy at Queensland

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<v Speaker 3>Health and of.

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<v Speaker 2>Failing to consult others at the dinner to ascertain what

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<v Speaker 2>it was all about.

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<v Speaker 1>At his media.

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<v Speaker 2>Conference, Morris and The Australian's Queensland Bureau chief, my friend

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<v Speaker 2>sid Ma slugged it out. Ma, a staunch and loyal

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<v Speaker 2>defender of his colleague, was not going to stand by

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<v Speaker 2>in silence as Tony Morris continued the tirade. When sid

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<v Speaker 2>mar started asking Morris tough questions, the lawyer Cross examined

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<v Speaker 2>Sid on Parnell's actions and ethics.

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<v Speaker 1>It was pure theater.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm under no illusion that Sean Parnell is being used

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<v Speaker 3>by senior bureaucrats in Queensland Health to disseminate stories like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Beattie and his staff worked to fan the flames. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the first sign of dissent between the Premier and Morris,

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<v Speaker 2>who had not attended the infamous dinner. The Crime and

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<v Speaker 2>Misconduct Commission decided to leave it well alone. One of

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<v Speaker 2>their staff had been among the dinner party. Beryl Crosby

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<v Speaker 2>reckoned the awards were a harmless hoot. She knew we

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<v Speaker 2>were letting our hair down, and she appreciated how hard

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<v Speaker 2>the media had worked. She embarrassed Bettie by revealing that

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<v Speaker 2>she had been trying to have him visit Bunderberg to

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<v Speaker 2>address the victims for weeks. Yet it was the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot the messengers which finally brought him to the town.

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<v Speaker 2>On hearing of her award, Beryl had just one request.

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<v Speaker 10>She asked, can I have the ash straight.

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<v Speaker 2>Public opinion was not with Peter Beatty. Most people saw

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<v Speaker 2>through the mock indignation. He let it go after a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't want to pursue the matter anymore. I've made

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<v Speaker 9>my point about it.

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<v Speaker 2>The stoush between Marris and Sean Parnell was inevitable. Conflict

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<v Speaker 2>had been simmering for weeks. Parnell had enjoyed a close

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<v Speaker 2>working relationship with health chiefs over several years. He'd angered

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<v Speaker 2>Marris by wrongly reporting that Patel was within error rates

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<v Speaker 2>and that none of the discipline reaction previously taken in

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<v Speaker 2>the US would have prevented him doing procedures for which

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<v Speaker 2>he was being investigated in Australia. After one of his

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<v Speaker 2>reports stated that Patel was linked to, as Sean put it,

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<v Speaker 2>only eight deaths, Marris sarcastically mused whether a century ago

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<v Speaker 2>Pannell might have written.

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<v Speaker 3>Jack the Ripper linked with only eight deaths.

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<v Speaker 2>Twelve days after the infamous Awards night, Tony Morris wrote

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<v Speaker 2>to Buckland and pointedly condemned what he described as.

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<v Speaker 3>A concerted campaign of disinformation being orchestrated from within Queensland Health,

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<v Speaker 3>apparently designed to discredit and derailed this Commission of Inquiry

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<v Speaker 3>characterized by the strategic leaking of information to Sean Parnell

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<v Speaker 3>of The Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>But in most respects Parnell's reporting was courageous. He went

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<v Speaker 2>against popular opinion to expose serious chinks in the armor

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<v Speaker 2>of the inquiry chief. He pulled no punches in criticizing Morris,

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<v Speaker 2>who was obsessed with the media. The more that his

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<v Speaker 2>unorthodox handling of the inquiry was highlighted, the more tony

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<v Speaker 2>Morris reacted, in my view, in his zeal to please everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>he had jeopardized the inquiry. Meanwhile, doctor Buckland and doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Scott were doomed. The organization they led was in disarray.

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<v Speaker 2>They were at loggerheads with their minister Gordon Nutt. They

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<v Speaker 2>had lost Peter Beatty's confidence, and the waiting lists for

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<v Speaker 2>surgery in the public hospitals were growing. In late July,

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<v Speaker 2>Nuttle was sacked as Health Minister.

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<v Speaker 11>Beattie said, Minister Nuttle is of the view and I

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<v Speaker 11>agree with him that we need a fresh start to

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<v Speaker 11>enable health reform so that Queenslanders have confidence that their

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<v Speaker 11>health system is second to none in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Buckland was axed a few days later. The state government's

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<v Speaker 2>top public servant, Leo Kellagher, told Steve Buckland that Beatty

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<v Speaker 2>no longer had confidence in him. He was given no reasons.

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<v Speaker 12>It is with great sadness that I let you know

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<v Speaker 12>I will believing Queensland Health as Director General effective at

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<v Speaker 12>midday to day.

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<v Speaker 2>Buckland told staff on twenty six July.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm incredibly proud of the journey we began eighteen months

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<v Speaker 12>ago to reform public health care.

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<v Speaker 2>Buckland's friend and loyal deputy John Scott was the next

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<v Speaker 2>to go. When the nurse Karen Jenna heard about buckland sacking,

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<v Speaker 2>she recalled his faithful seven April visit to the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>when she asked him why there would be no proper

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<v Speaker 2>investigation into doctor Patel, and she recalled his demeaning answer.

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<v Speaker 12>What part of there's going to be no inquiry? Don't

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<v Speaker 12>you understand?

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<v Speaker 2>Buckland had asked her in the crowded room that day.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the tables were turned. Jenna sent Steve Buckland a

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<v Speaker 2>message on the day he was told to clear out

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<v Speaker 2>his office.

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<v Speaker 9>What part of sacked?

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<v Speaker 3>Don't you understand?

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<v Speaker 2>My mother, Diana, had been troubled by chronic back pain

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time. She was losing weight and looked

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<v Speaker 2>pale and frail. But she soldiered on without fuss and

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<v Speaker 2>looked forward to another overseas jaunt she might afford only

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<v Speaker 2>in her dreams. On the day, the story about the

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<v Speaker 2>awards at the Indian restaurant in Bunderberg gave Beattie an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to call for scalps. Mum's underlying illness prompted drastic action.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the first indication of something serious. My older

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<v Speaker 2>sister Peter sent me a text message just before.

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<v Speaker 13>Noon Mummy is going to hospital for a lengthy stay.

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<v Speaker 1>She is not in good shape. Or called with more news.

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<v Speaker 2>Our youngest sister Kate was giving birth to her daughter

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<v Speaker 2>Mia in Sydney that day, and Mum was upset at

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<v Speaker 2>being unable to be there for the arrival of another grandchild,

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<v Speaker 2>her ninth. The kids called her mo, never Granny, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you knew my mother you would understand why she

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<v Speaker 2>saw herself as being more youthful than her own four children.

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<v Speaker 2>In some ways. She was a tall, beautiful and still

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<v Speaker 2>willowy blonde. She carried herself proudly in the latest designer

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<v Speaker 2>ripped denims or an expensive Italian suit. Hospital gowns were

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<v Speaker 2>not for her. In her sixties, she had taken herself

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<v Speaker 2>off to Italy, where she spent a year learning the

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<v Speaker 2>language and immersing herself in village life. She was admitted

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<v Speaker 2>to award on the eighth floor at the Gold Coast

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<v Speaker 2>Hospital after her heart specialist expressed alarm at worsening symptoms.

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<v Speaker 2>Mum was gasping for breath, her pulse raised, her back

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<v Speaker 2>pain had become excruciating. I can't believe that you are

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<v Speaker 2>still walking around, the specialist told her, as Mum rolled

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<v Speaker 2>her eyes at being moved from floor to floor in

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<v Speaker 2>the overcrowded public hospital and gossiped with my younger sister

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<v Speaker 2>Rebecca and leafed through power of Positive Thinking books. The

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<v Speaker 2>doctor's rantesse the elevator carried a notice warning patients and

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<v Speaker 2>visitors that unfair criticism and racist slurs against the hospital's

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<v Speaker 2>overseas trained doctors would not be tolerated. They had been

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<v Speaker 2>copying a hard time since the Petel scandal erupted. The

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<v Speaker 2>doctor's new Mum had stomach ulcers and an internal bleed,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was something else, a tumor. It was on

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<v Speaker 2>her adreamal gland, silently squeezing life from a woman who

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<v Speaker 2>at sixty five still had Grand Plans Chapter sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>on the bench. Early August two thousand and five, Martin moynihan,

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court justice with the unenviable task of determining

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<v Speaker 2>if the Morris Inquiry needed euthanizing, corrective surgery or a

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<v Speaker 2>clean bill of health, dropped a few clues to his

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<v Speaker 2>views during three days of legal argument in Brisbane. If

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Morris were dumped, moynihan mused, the victims of PTEL

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<v Speaker 2>and a sick system might have to go through another

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<v Speaker 2>painful legal process.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, the fact is what happened was devastating for them,

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<v Speaker 14>and to have to repeat it would be even more devastating,

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<v Speaker 14>he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Senior lawyers told me that Martin moynihan would not be

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<v Speaker 2>influenced by the public and political support for Tony Morris.

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<v Speaker 2>The experienced judge looked forward to retirement and had nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to gain or lose from whatever he pronounced. His judgment

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<v Speaker 2>on Morris would be his most momentous. His bushy eyebrows

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<v Speaker 2>arched as he read portions of transcript from the inquiry,

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<v Speaker 2>pressing the advantage for Peter Leck and Darren Keating were

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<v Speaker 2>two of the more experienced Brisbane lawyers that money could

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<v Speaker 2>buy David Jackson QC and Robert Mulholland QC. They characterized

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<v Speaker 2>Morris as a sarcastic and unfair bully who had two

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<v Speaker 2>categories of witnesses, heroes and villains, white hats and black hats.

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<v Speaker 2>Moynihan was taken to two passages from the record of

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<v Speaker 2>the questioning by Morris. The interrogation was likened to a

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<v Speaker 2>laceration in lex case and an ambush in Keatings. Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Morris had.

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<v Speaker 3>Said doctor Meek was a doctor who actually deals with patients,

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<v Speaker 3>not a bureaucrat. Would it be a good start to

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<v Speaker 3>have hospitals run by doctors who are real doctors?

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<v Speaker 14>More in a hand commented, Well, they're not questions, really

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<v Speaker 14>are they They're assertions which the witness has little room

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<v Speaker 14>to maneuver in terms of accepting or rejecting. I mean,

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<v Speaker 14>in the circumstances in which he's found himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert mul holland said, yes, it's really abuse.

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<v Speaker 3>We'd say, at the very least, your honor, it's grossly discourteous.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to the decision of Morris to permit cameras into

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<v Speaker 2>the inquiry, Peterleck and Darren Keating had the benefit of

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<v Speaker 2>DVDs obtained under subpoena from the TV stations. The footage

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<v Speaker 2>provided glimpses of the hostility Morris at times showed. It

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<v Speaker 2>featured him shaking Hoffman's hand, a moment described by David

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson as almost surreal. The pictures painted a thousand words

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of black and white pages of transcript were not

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<v Speaker 2>as powerful as one or two DVDs. For Leck and

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<v Speaker 2>Keithing to succeed in their bid to kill the inquiry,

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<v Speaker 2>their lawyers needed to persuade the judge that a hypothetical

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<v Speaker 2>observer sitting in the inquiry room would have reasonably concluded

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<v Speaker 2>that Tony Morris had already formed prejudicial views. There had

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<v Speaker 2>to be an apprehension of bias. Fighting for Morris, the

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<v Speaker 2>Solicitor General, Walter Sofronoff, QC stressed that the proceedings were,

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<v Speaker 2>by their very nature inquisitorial, and Morris could ask tough

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<v Speaker 2>questions as he saw fit. Royal commission style inquiries bare

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<v Speaker 2>little resemblance to the usual judicial process. Inquiry commissioners are

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<v Speaker 2>not bound by usual rules. Their witnesses may not refuse

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<v Speaker 2>to give evidence.

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<v Speaker 15>It is one of the weapons in the arsenal of

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<v Speaker 15>a truth finder to be at liberty to call somebody

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<v Speaker 15>on short notice or no notice, and certainly in circumstances

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<v Speaker 15>where that person is not expecting to be called, in

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<v Speaker 15>order to establish facts before false propositions can be cobbled.

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<v Speaker 2>Together, Sofronov said. Accordingly, Walter Sofronoff argued a commissioner like

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Tony Morris was at perfect liberty to call somebody without notice,

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<v Speaker 2>however upsetting it might have been to the witnesses. If

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<v Speaker 2>he could have had a bet on the result, the

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<v Speaker 2>Courier Male's longtime court reporter, inveterate hunter Mark Oberhart would

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<v Speaker 2>have put money on disqualification. Others were not so sure.

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<v Speaker 9>We didn't start this course action to have it aborted

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<v Speaker 9>halfway through this inquiry will finish its work.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Beatty said.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Morris remained the preferred commissioner, but Beatte vowed a

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<v Speaker 2>new inquiry would pick up where Morris had left off

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<v Speaker 2>if he were ousted. The pressure on all the parties

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<v Speaker 2>was relentless as the Supreme Court challenge droned on. Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Morris conducted hearings in earshot of the din of money

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<v Speaker 2>being won and lost in the poker machines, and on

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<v Speaker 2>the card tables that the towns will breakwater casino. He

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<v Speaker 2>had brought the inquiry to North Queensland for three days

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<v Speaker 2>of hearings. At the breaks when he chain smoked quickly

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>and deeply, he was anxious for news. He was gambling

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<v Speaker 2>on a major legal triumph. What's the gossip? Tony repeatedly asked.

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>He was keen for any indication of how things were

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>panning out in Brisbane. At one stage he quipped that

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Walter Sofronoff had told.

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<v Speaker 15>Him, don't be making plans to give up your day

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<v Speaker 15>job just yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Morris seemed emboldened, and the sensational evidence in Townsville was

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<v Speaker 2>set to breathe new life into an inquiry that looked

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<v Speaker 2>like it might totter. Chapter sixty six, Secrets and Lies,

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<v Speaker 2>August two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Wards and.

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<v Speaker 2>The Staff Rooom at Townsville Hospital, Doctor Vincent Berg had

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 2>sometimes spoken of his colorful past in the former USSR

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and his lofty status as a bishop in the Russian

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox Church. The man known as Victor Vladimirovitch Cheqeline had

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 2>appeared concerned, almost paranoid about the tentacles of the Russian

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 2>KGB and its covert successors. They had dogged him, he explained,

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 2>with relentless surveillance and interrogation operations. But for about two

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty patients with psychiatric issues, Berg, the hospital's

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 2>eccentric psychiatric registrar, was the person to whom they turned

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>for help, and he held a lawful authority to prescribe powerful,

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 2>mood altering medication. He had assessed the mental condition of

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 2>the patients after listening to their fears and frustrations. He

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>had told them how they should and could be feeling.

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 2>He had dealt on a daily basis with fragile people

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 2>whose anxieties could cause them to self mutilate with knives

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 2>or attempt suicide by walking in front of speeding cars.

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Berg had his own unus usual ideas and practices. When

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 2>he visited patients at their homes, he appeared more interested

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 2>in the children, particularly young boys. Medication had calmed the

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 2>violent tendencies of one of the patients who had committed murder.

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Berg took him off the pills. Berg told other patients

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 2>who were clearly mentally ill, that they were perfectly fine.

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 2>He overruled senior psychiatrists by significantly changing their treatment plans

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>as far as the patients knew. However, Berg was a

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Queensland Health employee registered by the Medical Board to deal

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 2>with a range of serious psychiatric illnesses. Psychiatric patients who

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 2>complained that their psychiatrist is weird are not, as a rule,

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 2>taken very seriously. When Jared Cary Grimmond, one of the

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>lawyers seconded to the Morris inquiry to run behind the

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>scenes investigations and interviews, went to Townsville to follow several leads,

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 2>he was told about the Berg file. It had been

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>concealed by Queensland Health and the Medical Board since early

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and three. As the comprehensive file showed, Berg

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>was not even qualified to replace bandages.

0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>He had crudely.

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Forged paperwork to purport that he had done extensive training

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>at Voronesh University in the former USSR.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a total fake.

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 2>In all probability, his mental problems were more serious than

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 2>those of many of his patients. His true form of

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 2>vocation as a school teacher in the USSR, had ended

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 2>years earlier, Despite having no experience or training in medicine

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>or psychiatry. He had been given a green light by

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>the Medical Board and a job with Queensland Health to

0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 2>treat the community's most vulnerable people. The evidence in Townsville

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>was devastating. It showed that the Board had been worn

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 2>by the Australian Medical Council and the Royal Australian and

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 2>New Zealand College of Psychiatrists that Berg's documents were quote

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 2>crude forgeries end quote. The Board did next to nothing

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 2>after receiving these written warnings. It did not advise Townsville Hospital,

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 2>nor did its start a prosecution. Instead, the Board's Deputy,

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Michael Demi Guerau, issued a qualified Certificate of good Standing

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:39.440
<v Speaker 2>to Burg, who used it to seek jobs elsewhere. He

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 2>pitched his bogus CV to a hospital in India, he

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:47.280
<v Speaker 2>almost landed a job in the Northern Territory and New Zealand.

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 2>On the information available to Queensland Health and the Board,

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Berg had committed a string of criminal offenses, from fraud

0:34:55.840 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 2>to assault, yet he was permitted to slip quietly away.

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Morris had a question for Townsville Hospitals Medical Services Director

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 2>doctor Andrew Johnson.

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.879
<v Speaker 3>He was applausible, rogue and.

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 16>Johnson replied, yes, you know, basically a con man.

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 2>When Johnson first discovered by accident the embarrassing truth about Berg,

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>the Russian refugee had already left the hospital due to

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:27.399
<v Speaker 2>his lamentable lack of knowledge about psychiatry, but he had

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>lasted a year there. Johnson crafted a comprehensive strategy to

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 2>alert Berg's patients and come clean with the public. He

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 2>proposed an audit of the patients and hotlines for anyone

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 2>seeking urgent counseling. Media advisers in Townsville drafted media releases.

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Draft parliamentary speeches were also written for the then Health

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Minister Wendy Edmund, who was sent a briefing paper saying.

0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 17>Many clinical staff maintain that there exists an obligation on

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.880
<v Speaker 17>Queensland Health to inform patients that they have been receiving

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.959
<v Speaker 17>care from a person whose qualifications to provide that care

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 17>have been found to be invalid. There are a number

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 17>of patients and their families in the audit who have

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:19.879
<v Speaker 17>quite sensitive psychiatric, medical and social situations. Although informing them

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 17>of these issues may make them more anxious, there are

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 17>many such patients who would feel that not informing them

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 17>was a breach of their rights and our responsibilities.

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 2>On twenty four January two thousand and three, shortly before

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 2>the plan was to have been achieved, Steve Buckland sent

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 2>a strictly confidential email to Terry Meehan, the senior manager

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:44.280
<v Speaker 2>in Townsville for Queensland Health.

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<v Speaker 12>Our issue is about the quality of performance. In discussions

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 12>with the board, they refuse to acknowledge that he was

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 12>not registerable game, set and match. Therefore there is no

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 12>official misconduct and no need to report.

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:01.839
<v Speaker 2>Johnson believed that if he spoke again, his job might

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 2>be at risk. As Johnson subsequently told Tony Morris.

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 16>Certainly at that time, bringing bad news was never a

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 16>good thing. I felt that there was a push to

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 16>ensure that Queensland Health was kept off the front page.

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>The conduct of the Board and Queensland Health was I

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 2>believed unforgivable. They had concealed the Burg matter in two

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 2>thousand and three, and they had concealed it from the

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 2>inquiry in two thousand and five, and it would have

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>remained a secret if not for the efforts of Jared

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Cowley Grimmond.

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Over three months of evidence. Now we see again and

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 3>again cases of Queensland Health getting reports about problems here

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 3>and problems there. And I just wonder if you can

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 3>see any logical justification for the culture that seems to

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 3>be pervasive, at least to Charlotte Street. If it's bad news,

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 3>you hide it away in the basement and never tell

0:37:58.360 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 3>anyone about it.

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<v Speaker 16>Commissioner, I think this is a very simple answer, and

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 16>that's the fact that politics has really taken over the

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 16>delivery of healthcare to an unreasonable extent. You know, the

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 16>reason that we're being prevented from saying things is, essentially,

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 16>I would suggest, for political purposes. No politician likes to

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 16>have bad news on their watch. The only reason that

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 16>I can think of for suppressing information is for short

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.879
<v Speaker 16>term political advantage.

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Steve Buckland and his health minister Wendy Edmund later relied

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>on an opinion taken at the time from a senior

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Queensland health psychiatrist who advised that it could have been

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>harmful to the patients to learn the truth about Berg.

0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 2>It was an apparently compelling defense, but my experiences with

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Buckland and Edmund influenced my view that their overriding concern

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 2>was less altruistic. Quite simply, it would have been harmful

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:59.200
<v Speaker 2>to Edmund and the Beatty government for the public to

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 2>learn the terrible truth about Berg. It angered me that

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 2>in early two thousand and three, several months before the

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:11.640
<v Speaker 2>arrival of j Patel, the Medical Board and Queensland Health

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 2>were aware that they had been duped, yet they failed

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 2>to improve the abysmal systems to screen applicants from overseas

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:23.280
<v Speaker 2>when they were seeking jobs as medical practitioners in Australia.

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 2>The editorial in The Courier male newspaper summed it up.

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<v Speaker 18>Just as it seems Queenslanders may be inured to yet

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 18>more tales of cover up and obfuscation emanating from the

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 18>upper echelons of the health bureaucracy. Along comes a fresh

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 18>scandal involving people suffering at the hands of a bogus doctor.

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:47.360
<v Speaker 18>For many following the course of the Commission of inquiry,

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 18>it would be tempting. Indeed, it is preferable for some

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 18>in the Beta government to focus on the wrongdoing of

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 18>these rogue practitioners and not bother too much with questions

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 18>about the system that set them loose on the hospital floor.

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 18>But this would say from proper scrutiny, the culture of

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:08.360
<v Speaker 18>arrogance and secrecy that continues to thrive within the senior

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 18>ranks of the health bureaucracy, and which has done so

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:15.840
<v Speaker 18>much to damage the public reputation of the state's health system.

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 18>Queensland hospital workers, the doctors, nurses and clinicians who deal

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:24.400
<v Speaker 18>with the public every day, are by and large performing

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 18>well under extremely trying circumstances. Their actions did not produce

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:33.399
<v Speaker 18>the likes of Jayant Patel or Victor Burg. Rather, these

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 18>outrages were the fault of the senior health bureaucracy and

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 18>successive health ministries, both of which have for some years

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:45.479
<v Speaker 18>valued political machinations and economic wrongheadedness over patient care.

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:50.359
<v Speaker 2>I asked Philippa Harris, who was the coordinator of the

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Townsville based North Queensland Mental Illness Fellowship her opinion. She

0:40:56.200 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 2>said Queensland Health, which partly funded her organization, had.

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 13>Been absolutely neglectful and irresponsible. We are gobsmacked by what

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 13>has come out and distressed that Queensland Health chose not

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 13>to act in a public interest, particularly when the local

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:12.720
<v Speaker 13>managers wanted it out in the open.

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 2>There was something else about it that bore striking similarities

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 2>to the Patel case. Berg's personnel file was adorned with

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 2>glowing references. Doctor Brian Boecher, a mental health director for

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Queensland Health, wrote this of Berg.

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 19>He clearly has considerable experience in psychiatry. I believe he

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 19>has much to teach us about psychiatry as performed in

0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 19>Europe and it would be a considerable loss if people

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 19>such as him are not recognized as specialist psychiatrists in Australia.

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 19>With his very considerable experience.

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Another senior psychiatrist from the organization, doctor Leon Petchkovsky, wrote.

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 7>It should be said that he is an a man

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 7>of the highest possible standards of integrity, tried in the

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 7>fires of life. He is an experienced and trusted colleague

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:12.440
<v Speaker 7>and I have no hesitation in recommending him for any

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 7>consultant level posting he might apply for.

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Russell Grenning was incredulous when we spoke during the Townswell hearings.

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 2>A former top political and media adviser, he followed the

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:32.399
<v Speaker 2>fortunes of governments with keen interest. His sage advice had

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 2>helped Jobi Occypedason's corrupt government remain in power in Queensland

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 2>until it was thrown out in the wake of the

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Fitzgerald inquiry. Grenning was now safely ensconced at the Law

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Society of Queensland, where he rubbed shoulders with judges and lawyers,

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and he could see the Beaty government going the same

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 2>way as the bioccypedisan government.

0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, there are some stories so bizarre, so incredible that

0:42:58.760 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 3>you couldn't make them up.

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 4>But every day they're coming out of the inquiry and

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 4>we're hearing them and seeing them on the six PM news.

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>It is politically devastating.

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Chapter sixty seven, The Long Wait August two thousand and five,

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Starting with the victor Burg scandal. August saw a flood

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:36.000
<v Speaker 2>of damning revelations which caused massive political damage and led

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 2>to pleas from medical staff and the public for a

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 2>complete overhaul of the health system. Having cracked the psychiatrist's

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:48.800
<v Speaker 2>cover up the health inquiries, lawyer come investigator Jared Cowy

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Grimmond began to unravel Queensland's public hospital waiting lists. Premier

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Peter Beatty had for years pointed to these lists as

0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 2>proof that Queensland has enjoyed one of the world's finest

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 2>health systems. People spent less time on these lists awaiting

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 2>surgery in Queensland. He boasted than in any other state,

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.879
<v Speaker 2>but for years doctors had been telling me and other

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:18.919
<v Speaker 2>journalists the reverse. They insisted that the political boasts were untruthful.

0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Before patients who needed surgery, such as a cataract operation

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 2>or a hip replacement, could make it onto the official

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:31.720
<v Speaker 2>published waiting lists, they had to graduate from another waiting list.

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 2>This was an undisclosed list, as doctor David Malloy, the

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 2>head of the Australian Medical Association in Queensland, had told

0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:45.799
<v Speaker 2>Tony Morris in the second week of the inquiry, patients

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 2>could remain on the concealed lists for as long as

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>eight years, but the public only ever saw or heard

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:57.239
<v Speaker 2>about the much shorter waiting lists of those people who

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 2>were booked in for surgery. Having finally seen specialist. Premier Beatty,

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:09.760
<v Speaker 2>his former health Minister Wendy Edmund and her successor Gordon

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Nuttle had always been aware of the other lists, but

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 2>they ensured that members of the public were given figures

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 2>only from the shorter lists, and Beatty confidently asserted a

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 2>few weeks after David Malloy's evidence.

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 9>Not only are our waiting times the shortest, but we

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 9>are admitting more patients into our hospitals for treatment than

0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:32.640
<v Speaker 9>anyone else.

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 2>The campaign of deceit was undone when the secret lists

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:43.360
<v Speaker 2>were unearthed by Jared Cowley Grimmond. Confidential Queensland Health documents

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 2>showed that more than one hundred and eight thousand people

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 2>across twenty nine regions statewide were waiting for an appointment

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 2>to see the specialist at a public hospital. They were

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 2>on the concealed lists that the Betty government had not

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 2>previously knowledge in public displays of breast beating, Queensland had

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:08.840
<v Speaker 2>a public health system unable to meet demand and stretched

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 2>well beyond its capacity, yet for years the politicians had

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 2>hidden the evidence. Morris drew an analogy between Queensland Health's

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<v Speaker 2>waiting lists and fashion swimwear.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no interest in speed or comfort, or protection or safety.

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<v Speaker 3>It is simply a matter of revealing as much as

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<v Speaker 3>possible that people want to see and covering up anything

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to cause public disquiet.

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<v Speaker 2>Shortly before my deadline for the completion of a lengthy

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday article on the disclosure of the lists, I spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to Beryl Crosby. She had just returned from a Bunderberg

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with fellow members of the patient support group. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>the best efforts of various ministers and their advisors to

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<v Speaker 2>win Beryl Crosby over, she had refused to yield. Crosby

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<v Speaker 2>told me.

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<v Speaker 10>It's a disgusting, covered up mess from the time the

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<v Speaker 10>jan ptell as you broke, and everything we'd heard and

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<v Speaker 10>learned since, we thought nothing more could shock us. But

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<v Speaker 10>now these waiting lists have come out. If they had

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<v Speaker 10>been open and transparent in the beginning, the public would

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<v Speaker 10>have seen the problems and understood them better. It is depressing,

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<v Speaker 10>but this inquiry has also been a worthwhile exercise because

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<v Speaker 10>the system would have only got worse. It was like

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<v Speaker 10>a boil when it burst with Patel or the gunks

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<v Speaker 10>started coming out. Until it is all oosed out, it

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<v Speaker 10>will never begin to heal. But how do you heal it?

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<v Speaker 2>The doctors offered a variety of answers. Fundamentally, they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>the administration and political leaders to stop treating hospitals like

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<v Speaker 2>units of commerce. They pleaded for the system to be

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<v Speaker 2>properly funded to give patients good outcomes and slow the

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<v Speaker 2>flow of doctors and specialists to the private sector. When

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Jason Jenkins, a vascular surgeon at Royal Brisbane Hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>gave evidence here, the spared at the lack of top

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<v Speaker 2>level initiative and leadership. He pointed to an expensive abundance

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<v Speaker 2>of increasingly powerful bureaucrats with little insight into healthcare, but

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<v Speaker 2>finally tuned antennae for the political and executive line. On

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<v Speaker 2>damage control, Jenkins said.

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<v Speaker 20>It becomes an intolerable place to work when you're being

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<v Speaker 20>told to stop admitting because there are no beds. The

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 20>patients are piling up behind us and we can't keep

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<v Speaker 20>up with it. They're losing legs, they're losing their lives,

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<v Speaker 20>rupturing aneurysms because they haven't been seen in out patients

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<v Speaker 20>and that's a factor of funding. Every day we get

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<v Speaker 20>a message on our pages discharge patients, beds critical, no

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<v Speaker 20>admissions without approval. That's what you get every day at

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<v Speaker 20>the Royal Brisbane Hospital on my pager. It's become an

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<v Speaker 20>intolerable place to work because you can't actually work. You're

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.280
<v Speaker 20>told to stop spending money because there's no money. Stop

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 20>putting in the best graft for the patient because we've

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.439
<v Speaker 20>used up our prosthetics budget. Put in a business case

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<v Speaker 20>if you want to get something else done. We were

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<v Speaker 20>told the other day that all the business cases just

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.279
<v Speaker 20>get thrown in a box at Charlotte Street because there's

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<v Speaker 20>no money to actually deal with them. We want to work,

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<v Speaker 20>but we're not allowed to work a lot of the

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<v Speaker 20>time because there's not the money to actually fund the system.

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<v Speaker 20>And at the moment, the general consensus in the public

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<v Speaker 20>hospital system is our leader doesn't go into battle for us.

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<v Speaker 20>When we ask for help, we get none. The only

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<v Speaker 20>help we get is when there is a crisis, because

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<v Speaker 20>we don't want to end up on the front page

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<v Speaker 20>of the courier mail. And I mean we're playing politics

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<v Speaker 20>with health. Health is people, and the problem at the

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<v Speaker 20>moment is where we're messing with it with politics. They

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<v Speaker 20>need to speak to clinicians and ask them what needs

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<v Speaker 20>to be done, not have administrators telling us what should

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<v Speaker 20>be doing. You know, I sometimes think we're playing for

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<v Speaker 20>a different team. We're playing for the health team and

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:10.439
<v Speaker 20>they are playing for the budget team. So I guess

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<v Speaker 20>we're being made toothless tigers in a system which is

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<v Speaker 20>being run by administrators. I mean, one of the problems

0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 20>is they don't come to us to ask us how

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<v Speaker 20>to fix the problems. Half the time they tell us

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<v Speaker 20>how to fix the problems. A lot of the time

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<v Speaker 20>that involves actually more administration and less patient care.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier, Tony Morris had asked the Chief Health Officer, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Fitzgerald.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there some difficulty with the proposition that the taxpayers

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<v Speaker 3>who pay for the health system in this state and

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<v Speaker 3>the members of the public who utilize public hospitals are

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 3>actually entitled to know that there is a problem in

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<v Speaker 3>the hospitals, rather than having it gathered dust in a

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<v Speaker 3>filing cabinet in Charlotte Street. When do we stop this

0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:01.839
<v Speaker 3>system of shooting the messenger and hiding the evidence rather

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<v Speaker 3>than putting it out in public so that things can

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<v Speaker 3>be done about these problems.

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<v Speaker 2>On twenty August, angry voters punished beating these two Labor

0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:17.399
<v Speaker 2>candidates were crushed by huge margins in by elections. The

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<v Speaker 2>health crisis had become a major political crisis. Malcolm Cole,

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<v Speaker 2>the couriermal State political correspondent, reported.

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<v Speaker 21>The Bead government faces its first serious electoral test at

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<v Speaker 21>the next state election after voters handed at two shattering

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<v Speaker 21>defeats in weekend by elections. The leaders of all three

0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:39.880
<v Speaker 21>major political parties said the massive swings against Labor in

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<v Speaker 21>its formerly safe seats of Chatsworth and Redcliffe proved the

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<v Speaker 21>next election.

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<v Speaker 9>Was an open contest.

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<v Speaker 2>Lawyer and political commentator Stephen Coach described the future for

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<v Speaker 2>Beating as potentially terminal because, as Stephen said.

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<v Speaker 3>Unless he can slay dragons and put on a sparkling

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<v Speaker 3>electrical performance, he faces a fool from power in disgrace.

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