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Speaker 1: This is the Fitsy and Whipper with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: Big announcement last night that we thought that we address

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Speaker 2: on the show this morning. The Men's Labor Government has

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Speaker 2: passed legislation outlawing the creation and sharing of sexually explicit.

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Speaker 3: Deep fakes without consent.

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Speaker 2: I mean our first question is, I mean, how does

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Speaker 2: this even happening in the first place. But we are

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Speaker 2: lucky enough to have the forty seventh premiere with us

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 4: Chris means, well, thanks, thanks so much everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Kate than thank you for standing up on such

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Speaker 1: an important topic once again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I think I think you know

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Speaker 5: Ryan's right, We've been a bit slow in relation to this.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes technology can get in front of governments, and because

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Speaker 5: we've got to pass laws and they apply to everybody,

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Speaker 5: we can be a little bit behind the ape or

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Speaker 5: I think we have been here, if I'm going to

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Speaker 5: be honest. But the rapidly changing technology can see a

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Speaker 5: situation where particularly women are targeted with AI deep fate

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Speaker 5: pornography and then subject to sexploitation or just humiliation and

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Speaker 5: a real target on them. I'm particularly worried about young

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Speaker 5: girls in a schooling environment it can be absolutely devastating

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Speaker 5: for them. As a result of this bill going through,

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Speaker 5: it's now illegal in New South Wales to do that,

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Speaker 5: thank god.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's wonderful because I don't think it's it's not

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Speaker 6: only related to the initial humiliation and exploitation, but the

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Speaker 6: problems that develop or issues that I'm speaking on, behalf

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Speaker 6: of women that you carry throughout your entire life. So

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Speaker 6: if this can be stopped from the onset, that's wonderful.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the e Safety Commission I said that they were

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Speaker 5: getting five hundred and fifty percent increases in complaints from

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one to today, and we know there's about

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Speaker 5: seven thousand and five hundred either sexual exploitation clips, videos images.

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Speaker 4: Complaints each year.

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Speaker 5: Probably the number is way higher than that, but a

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Speaker 5: vulnerable young person, particularly a woman, doesn't feel that they're

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Speaker 5: in a position to make the complaint. And look, this

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Speaker 5: isn't going to stop it everywhere or even overnight, but

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Speaker 5: at least it's illegal and there's somewhere for a young

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Speaker 5: person or their parents to go to to say that

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Speaker 5: this is happening. These laws, I mean, the laws have

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Speaker 5: been in place to protect children for a while, but

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Speaker 5: this will apply to adults as well, and clearly that

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Speaker 5: it's long over.

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Speaker 2: You find a details and I know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you can tell us about this. But the other

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Speaker 2: thing as well, if people are sharing that they don't

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Speaker 2: have to create this stuff, right, but if they receive

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Speaker 2: it Chris, and then on share it to other people

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Speaker 2: as well, can they get into trouble as well?

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Speaker 3: Be question?

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Speaker 2: This is the big thing is once it starts, it's

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Speaker 2: really hard to stop.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the answer is yes.

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Speaker 5: And I realize that that will be confronting for some

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Speaker 5: people and they may feel that they're doing an in

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Speaker 5: jest or they've had a bad they haven't exercised any

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Speaker 5: kind of thinking in relation to it. But we're all

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Speaker 5: responsible for our actions and we're giving you warning here.

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Speaker 5: The legislation's passed, it'll be proclaimed soon to give everyone

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Speaker 5: an opportunity to.

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Speaker 4: Say or to learn that this is not okay.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I understand that people make stupid decisions and

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Speaker 5: share images without thinking through, but the implications or the

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Speaker 5: effect on someone's life of doing that can be massive

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Speaker 5: and profound, and you shouldn't do it as a decent

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Speaker 1: But the laws will change down it's a really important

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Speaker 1: message too, because I think the extension of that conversation

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Speaker 1: is with how kids, and when I say kids, teenagers

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Speaker 1: do behave with photos and sharing and the pressure that

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Speaker 1: exists in social circumstances in school yards to often share

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Speaker 1: something explicit or something revealing. And I think there needs

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Speaker 1: to be a lun drawn in the sand where there's

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Speaker 1: a simple, straight policy, and this law supports it, you

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Speaker 1: do not take photos of yourself in the nude or

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Speaker 1: share with anybody else that type of content.

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Speaker 3: Full stop.

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Speaker 6: Well it's just to know.

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Speaker 3: It's just to know.

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Speaker 1: And even with our kids at home, when they run

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Speaker 1: around and they think it's funny to take a photo

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Speaker 1: of dad in the nude, I go, no, you don't

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Speaker 1: do that. That's a no, because that ends up on

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Speaker 1: a cloud, and that cloud could be hacked one day,

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Speaker 1: and nobody wants to see that.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you all right now.

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Speaker 5: But can I tell you something that you've been really

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Speaker 5: good at exposing? And that is this argument, and you

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Speaker 5: hear it all all the time, which is, oh, well,

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Speaker 5: people will generate these images overseas, or they'll do it anyway,

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Speaker 5: or you'll never stop the internet. So therefore we shouldn't

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Speaker 5: do anything. And I think that's been the prevailing view

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Speaker 5: for years and years in Australia. Oh it's all too hard.

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Speaker 5: Technology is moving too quickly. There's no laws that you

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Speaker 5: can really change because people will exploit them anyway. Well,

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Speaker 5: that's just an excuse to do nothing, isn't it. And

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Speaker 5: I think that's what we've been doing or trying that

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Speaker 5: as a strategy for the last two or three years,

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Speaker 5: and things get worse and worse and worse, and we're

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Speaker 5: saying to young people. I just feel like this is

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Speaker 5: a global experiment unregulated on young people, whether it's this

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Speaker 5: or access to social media, that has never really been addressed.

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Speaker 4: And we've just said, the big tech companies do whatever

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Speaker 4: you want. We will stand back and you can run

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Speaker 4: the rules.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, while we've got you here as well.

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Speaker 2: That's a very important and thank you for passing that law, Premiere.

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Speaker 2: But while we've got you as well, Page seven of

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Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph today, shake it off.

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Speaker 3: Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Sydney is the undisputed live entertainment capital of Australia.

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Speaker 1: They used to say, nobody goes out in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: We're going to our gigs.

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Speaker 2: You've been very good in this instrumental in maybe funding

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Speaker 2: some of this as well against getting some of the

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Speaker 2: big acts. Do you know what what I'm what you

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Speaker 2: must love about your job and you've probably got a

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Speaker 2: couple up your sleeve now, but you can get some

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Speaker 2: of these big artists, will help some of these touring

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Speaker 2: companies to bring them to Sydney. For us, Chris, can

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Speaker 2: you just give us some that you were involved with some.

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Speaker 4: Of the just claim we did it more?

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Speaker 5: We did Perry Perry.

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Speaker 4: We can't wait for negotiat that one.

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Speaker 5: Abouts he was he was in good and yeah, we Chris.

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Speaker 4: From very close. For us, Chrises have to stick together.

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Speaker 5: Look, I mean I just want to make the point

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Speaker 5: though that you know we will be under pressure soon.

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Speaker 5: The Commonwealth Games in Victoria's coming up. And I actually no,

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Speaker 5: it's not that.

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Speaker 4: That's off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gone.

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Speaker 4: We said hold this title for a while.

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Speaker 1: I think, mate, that's a that's an awesome title, Live

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Speaker 1: Entertainment Capital of Australia.

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Speaker 4: That we're going to put that on on number plates.

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Speaker 3: That's large.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the prisoners are knocking them out driving the.

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Speaker 3: We're not getting the premier to stick around for riddle time, aren't.

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Speaker 4: I need to ask you.

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Speaker 6: One something quickly before you go whipper is he's off

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Speaker 6: to New York City with the Prime Minister next week something.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know that's some heavy chats to be

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Speaker 6: had and very important work, but do you have any

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Speaker 6: tips about traveling.

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Speaker 3: With the PM.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I've only I mean I've only jumped. I've jumped

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Speaker 5: on the plane once.

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Speaker 4: Before, which is pretty cool. Yeah, he was, he was,

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Speaker 4: he was up, he was up for a chat. It

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Speaker 4: was about an hour long flight and then all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, I haven't been invited on the plane. We're flying separately.

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Speaker 1: But what I haven't tried to organize with the Prime Minister. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's the un event, which is very important. But I've

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Speaker 1: sort of said to him, be a good chance to

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Speaker 1: you know, tip the scuy and off the off the bar. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're ready to be open to sort of drifting into

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Speaker 1: a bar in New York somewhere for a couple of

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Speaker 1: quiet ones.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, right right, hit him at

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Speaker 4: the right time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: Atka Wells, the Communications and Sports Minister, she'll be there

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Speaker 1: as well, so maybe there's a couple off the wood

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Speaker 1: for her too.

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Speaker 6: You're going for work.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, yes, I'm going for work. Will be broadcasting life

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Speaker 1: from you.

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Speaker 4: You have to do the other. Well, it's five pm

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Speaker 4: in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: Am all going to am.

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Speaker 4: In Brooklyn or wherever we might river? Yeah, busy.

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Speaker 2: You our premiere, So thank you very much for coming

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Speaker 2: on the show this morning. And like you said, he's

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Speaker 2: past legislation now outlawing the creation and sharing. That's the

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Speaker 2: big one for anyone who is listening. And if you're

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Speaker 2: a young person out there, if you share these deep

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Speaker 2: fake videos, sexually explicit deep fake videos, you will get

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Speaker 2: into trouble as well.

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Speaker 3: So thank you very much for coming in premier.

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Speaker 4: A great pleasure. Good to see you guys. Thanks.

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