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Speaker 1: The Fitzi and Whipper podcast, How Good was It?

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Speaker 2: The premiere of the new show Hunted.

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Speaker 3: It continues tonight and Tuesday seven point thirty on Channel ten.

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Speaker 2: Here's a little bit of it.

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Speaker 1: We know who you are, we know what you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for someone to hide, there is no surflace.

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Speaker 1: We have a unique set of skills, skills and technology

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Speaker 1: that make us a nightmare for fugitives like you, Rope

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Speaker 1: on the run.

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Speaker 4: We will hunt you, we will find you, and we

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Speaker 4: will catch you.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable concept.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen cunning fugitives on the run and they've got to

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Speaker 3: get away for twenty one days. One man and you

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Speaker 3: would have heard his voice in there. Who is hunting

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Speaker 3: these people? He's the Hunted Chief Dr David Craig.

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Speaker 1: Well go, thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Very much, Dave, thanks for coming on the show. So

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Speaker 4: let's get this straight. We've got eighteen competitors and there's

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Speaker 4: a countdown. They're then released and it's your job and

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Speaker 4: your your team of experts is detective and ex police

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Speaker 4: to track them down.

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Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent true.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So what are you David? What are the rules?

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Speaker 2: Do they get to keep their phones or what's.

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Speaker 1: The go there. They have to surrender their devices. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they're given a certain amount of cash and a debit card,

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Speaker 1: and they don't know where they're going to be released,

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Speaker 1: and we don't know where they're going to be released.

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Speaker 1: All we knew was it was broadcast to me that

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Speaker 1: suddenly there's eighteen fugitives in this vehicle, and I dispatched

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Speaker 1: the chop. I got it up in the air straight away.

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Speaker 1: We locked onto that van and we just had to

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Speaker 1: follow it until it released the fugitives and then of

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Speaker 1: course they bomb burst out after that and from there

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Speaker 1: it's just an intense investigation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before we continue, we need to go back.

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Speaker 3: We want to know your plan of attack and how

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Speaker 3: you're going to track these people down. But we need

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Speaker 3: to go back and your experience in the game. You've

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Speaker 3: worked with some of the biggest names in Australia before

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Speaker 3: and being security for these people.

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Speaker 2: Can you go through the list of people?

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Speaker 1: Look, I was a close personal protection officer for John Howard,

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Speaker 1: Bob Hawk and Paul Keating, Pauline Hansen and other people

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Speaker 1: that needed protection. But my predominantly most of my career

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Speaker 1: was spent in counter terrorism and COVID operations since here day.

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Speaker 4: Have twenty two years of experiencing the strain federal police

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Speaker 4: and eleven years a detective superintendent, So you would have

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Speaker 4: tracked down the bad guys.

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Speaker 1: I've been always part of a team. I don't do

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Speaker 1: anything myself. I'm very good at steering good people, and luckily,

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Speaker 1: in Hunted, I've got some fantastic experts.

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Speaker 2: Well, you Barley Bombings, you investigated that as well. Was

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Speaker 2: that correct?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the second Barley Bombings was my investigation. The first one.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot to do with the second one.

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Speaker 1: I was the officer in charge on the ground in

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Speaker 1: Bali where we tracked down dr Azharri, Southeast Asia's most

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Speaker 1: wanted terrorists. So and it was a very hard investigation

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Speaker 1: because they had learned from the first investigation. So we

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Speaker 1: hit the ground over there running, knowing Ozzie's had been

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Speaker 1: hurt and we really wanted to get these guys.

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Speaker 4: Know what's interesting when you think about this, if I

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Speaker 4: was to a competitor on the show, Dave, I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's obviously different.

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Speaker 1: Things you can do.

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Speaker 4: So let's say we're released fits and wear a team, right,

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Speaker 4: you could run to the nearest apartment block and hide

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Speaker 4: in an apartment thinking they won't catch you there. You

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Speaker 4: You know you would be there were so many different

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Speaker 4: angles you could take. And what's going to make this

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Speaker 4: more interesting? Also, Dave is one of the competitors. I

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Speaker 4: think Jake is a police officer or an ex police officer,

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Speaker 4: so he will have some sort of skill in this game.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Look that raised the stakes a lot because he

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Speaker 1: knows some of our tradecraft. And that also made us

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Speaker 1: want to really target him as well because he's gone

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Speaker 1: to the dark side as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: Oh this is great. Okay, So Dave, my third first thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Are debit card you can't use because as soon as

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Speaker 3: I go to take money out, you're going to track

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Speaker 3: where that is. So there's got to be some kind

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Speaker 3: of plan of attack of how you use that money.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and people know that. The fugitives will know that,

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Speaker 1: so there's no way in the world they're going to

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So the other thing is, well, where do you start

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Speaker 3: with and these people you have no idea about what's

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Speaker 3: the first thing when you get information on a name,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe a date of birth, more information

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Speaker 1: Well, well, obviously straight away we're onto the internet, obviously

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Speaker 1: looking at social media any mentions of these people. All

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Speaker 1: we had was their name, their age, and their state

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Speaker 1: because they're from all around Australia. So yeah, we just

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Speaker 1: drilled straight into socials from there, and then we go

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Speaker 1: down more intensely from that, right down to planning, listening

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Speaker 1: devices and vehicle tracking.

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Speaker 4: So, Dave, if I'm a competitor and I take off

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Speaker 4: to the train station right and I'm heading out of town,

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Speaker 4: I'm off to Richmond, do you are you able to

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Speaker 4: then access the security footage and the cameras at the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it is simulated or replicated. Let's just say,

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Speaker 1: I don't really understand a lot of what they did

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Speaker 1: in production. All I know is that I was in

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Speaker 1: a room with this group of experts. We run it

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Speaker 1: like a FED income investigation as well as we could,

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Speaker 1: and if we ask, if we know that there's CCTV

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Speaker 1: footage at that Richmond train station or wherever it might be,

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Speaker 1: we do a request to the referee saying, we want

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Speaker 1: this camera that's in this location. We want the footage

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Speaker 1: from that between nine point thirty nine thirty five and

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Speaker 1: if we'll get that footage, we'll have a look and

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Speaker 1: see if the fugitive's there.

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Speaker 2: I love that idea, Dave. Can we all right? So

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Speaker 2: let's say if I gave you my phone right now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean what information can you pull on someone if.

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Speaker 1: You wanted to? Oh, you can get pretty well anything.

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Speaker 1: And you would have seen last night. Our cyber crime

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Speaker 1: cyber investigators are very very imposition and not just information

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Speaker 1: on you, but all your contacts as well. We will

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Speaker 1: suck all that information out of your phone very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Those nudes I sent the other day, would you know

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Speaker 2: about that?

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Speaker 1: Look? Yeah, I've actually got a couple printed. Thanks there

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Speaker 1: on the wall.

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Speaker 4: They're on the least wanted list. Dave, can I ask,

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Speaker 4: like you talk about tracking down Southeast Asia's most wanted

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Speaker 4: terrorist doct Rosari? How, what was the part, What was

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Speaker 4: the moment or the detail that led to the actual

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Speaker 2: Him and where he was?

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Speaker 1: I can't really answer the first question. All protected information

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Speaker 1: acknowledging that this is done in Indonesia where the AHP.

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Speaker 1: We were there working with Indonesian National Police. It's their country.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have any police powers there, so we were

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Speaker 1: just advisers. But he was tracked down in a village

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Speaker 1: gun fight, thousands of rounds exchange and eleven bombs detonated.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what the other thing as well?

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Speaker 3: I mean the story of Osama bin Laden and how

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Speaker 3: they tracked him down to that compound in Pakistan and

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Speaker 3: first of all, it must be very very frustrating when

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Speaker 3: it takes so long to find these people, but very

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Speaker 3: fulfilling when you do get these tiny clues in that

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Speaker 3: they are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it is a real team effort and different

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Speaker 1: We just got to bring it all together to get

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Speaker 1: the best outcome. So it's never about one personal or

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Speaker 1: one train of thought. So I really like this hunted

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Speaker 1: group of eclectic experts. I've got right at my fingertips.

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Speaker 1: I've got a forensic psychologist that I get to profile

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Speaker 1: the fugitives from the Facebook. You know, so we've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of tools on us, but these are rat

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Speaker 1: cunning fugitives that they've got one hundred thousand reasons to

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Speaker 1: get away from us.

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Speaker 4: Dave, can I ask this question? Zero Dark thirty right,

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Speaker 4: great movie, bin lad and got him. I went to

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Speaker 4: thing was, I walked out of there and I went

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Speaker 4: I would have found him. I mean billions and billions

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Speaker 4: of Dave Tommy, if you agree with this, billions of

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Speaker 4: dollars right, unlimited funds. And have you seen the movie

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Speaker 4: Lion where the guy works out where he was the

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Speaker 4: train station? He was that because of the water tower.

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Speaker 4: You mind, three level mansion in the middle of nowhere,

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Speaker 4: right on Google Earth, with security like nothing else in

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Speaker 1: How did they not come across that earlier?

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Speaker 2: I could have found that.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think you're underestimating how difficult he was. If

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Speaker 1: he had, he would have given it a good run.

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Speaker 1: I was in Afghanistan when he was actually found in Pakistan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, things escalated over there. He had a whole

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Speaker 1: protective layer. It's not just where you are physically. It's

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Speaker 1: police corruption, it's official corruption. It's people that are pretending

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Speaker 3: And he basically lived in a cave, didn't go on

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Speaker 3: the internet, didn't do anything for all that time.

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Speaker 2: How do you track?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean?

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Speaker 2: You can go onto Google maps?

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Speaker 4: And if Dave and I had been given half an hour, right,

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Speaker 4: we didn't even need the money, did we, Dave, we

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Speaker 4: would have taken the reward and we would have found

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Speaker 4: been laden for anything.

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Speaker 1: To take him out made I would need one hundred

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Speaker 1: granding had he been Larden's in this show?

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Speaker 2: Were you impressed with you?

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Speaker 3: No? Were you impressed with some of these people and

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Speaker 3: how they hid for so long?

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Speaker 1: Look, some of the people are quite amazing. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: describe them as been.

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Speaker 4: Laughter, didn't have four wives and a huge porn collection.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, But really some of these people were

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Speaker 1: just ingenious. The things that they came up with really

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Speaker 1: tested us. Some of the stuff we overestimated them, and

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Speaker 1: some of them we vastly underestimated the capabilities and the

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Speaker 1: planning and the thought that these people are put in

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Speaker 1: your last night was awesome.

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Speaker 3: World I'm David continues tonight and Tuesday night seven thirty

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Speaker 3: on Channel ten It's Hunted.

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Speaker 2: Just before you go, what is Whipper's pin number?

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Speaker 1: Look, I'll text it to you gat.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Dave, really appreciate the support mate, See you buddy.

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Speaker 4: Whipper podcast