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Speaker 1: Approache Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am

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Speaker 1: Neil the Muscle Cummings, and in this episode I speak

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Speaker 1: to old school DJ legend Dave Austin. I'd try to

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Speaker 1: make heavy middle be and I couldn't get them all together.

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Speaker 1: So just turn out it was easy just to DJ

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Speaker 2: So I've gone toll the door.

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Speaker 1: Guys, listen, I'm going to park my car illegally just

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Speaker 1: on that corner when the whole casheris and the cash

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Speaker 1: box and everything is put in the car. They smashed

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Speaker 1: all the cars down that street. There was houses smashed,

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Speaker 1: those windows broken on houses. It was worse when you

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Speaker 1: actually got down there. I reckon, I got knocked back

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Speaker 1: two or three times. What was the reason why you

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Speaker 1: got in my back? Probably because I'm ugly. Nah, we

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Speaker 1: would never knock you back. There was a message going

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Speaker 1: around there's going to be something bad game down, guns

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Speaker 1: are involved, or something like something to that effect.

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Speaker 2: And yeah it happened.

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Speaker 1: Let's start off before all the netty gritty of you

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Speaker 1: DJ and get up to mischief, what you did growing

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Speaker 1: up and how you actually became who you are today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I used to play guitar.

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Speaker 1: I was always in a music used to be in

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Speaker 1: a heavy metal When I turned sixteen, I left school,

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Speaker 1: so you had in a heavy metal bank. I tried

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Speaker 1: to make a heavy metal band. I couldn't get them

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Speaker 1: all together, so I ended up djaying there fifteen sixteen,

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Speaker 1: we're playing guitar, trying to get a band together. But

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Speaker 1: it just turned out it was easy just to DJ

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Speaker 1: on your own. And when I started going out clubbing,

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Speaker 1: that was where I sort of got the DJing bugs.

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Speaker 1: So I was going to Ruber Sales and a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys might remember this back. This is like ninety

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Speaker 1: three ninety four heart Beats. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: remember that.

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Speaker 2: I remember that, isn't it yea. So it's across the

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Speaker 2: road from Ruba Beach.

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Speaker 1: The bra Boys local, so they were all sort of

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Speaker 1: club later on, sort of towards ninety six to twinty

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Speaker 1: seven ninety eight. But when I was going to those venues,

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Speaker 1: there was no heavy metal being played. It was all

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Speaker 1: just euro dance and the stuff coming out from the UK,

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Speaker 1: from Spain, from Netherlands from But how did you go

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Speaker 1: from heavy metal to be in a DJ mate? I

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Speaker 1: was gone out every Friday. It was ten dollars entry

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Speaker 1: and it was dollar drinks. I was an apprentice. I

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Speaker 1: was getting like one hundred and fifty bucks a week.

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Speaker 1: You'd go out with twenty dollars, you'd get in for

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Speaker 1: ten bucks, you'd get ten drinks. Everyone would have a

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Speaker 1: good time and it was just a cheap night out

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Speaker 1: for an apprentice. But because all the DJs were playing

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Speaker 1: that dance music, you just kept getting drilled in me.

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Speaker 1: And then the songs were always catchy, Yeah, like a

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Speaker 1: Corona Rhythm of the night, all that sort of stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know. So eventually I just I met another DJ

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Speaker 1: they all ended up becoming so. Steve Vessel was another

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Speaker 1: You know. He taught a few guys and he was

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Speaker 1: the guy that said to me, house music is going

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Speaker 1: to be the future. He said that back to me

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Speaker 2: So but yeah, he was right. House music is the

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Speaker 1: He taught you. Yeah, he taught me how to mix.

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Speaker 1: He gave me his decks. I took him home and

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Speaker 1: I just practiced and then he'd take Two months later

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Speaker 2: Crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I fucking tried, and I could never fucking do it.

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Speaker 1: I think it was just a dom cunt. I think

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Speaker 1: I think I've got a little bit of undiagnosed ADHD.

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Speaker 1: I've never gone and got myself checked out for that.

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Speaker 1: So I was very focused on I always loved music.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate all types of music, but you know, learning

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Speaker 1: the guitar sort of taught me a few things, and

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Speaker 1: then the timing side of it. So the mixing side

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Speaker 1: of as long as you understood how to adjust the

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Speaker 1: speed of the track, you were sweet. And then actually

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Speaker 2: So when it came to the vinyl.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, that took about a year and a half harder

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Speaker 1: But eventually I got my own decks, and I think

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Speaker 1: about a year and a half later I was confident

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Speaker 1: stage where I went overseas to Croatia. I went in

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Speaker 1: on a nightclub and these guys were all djaying and

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Speaker 1: I just said, hey, can I ever spin on from Australia?

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Speaker 1: And they were like looking at me like I was it?

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Speaker 1: I said, none, give us a crack like you know.

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Speaker 1: So I mixed the next songing for the guy and

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Speaker 1: they were all freaking out. You know that I could

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Speaker 1: beat match these guys weren't beat matching at all. And

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Speaker 1: what blads you were doing?

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Speaker 3: That was it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That was that was Nush. That was called Nash,

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Speaker 1: She said, see it, Yeah, that was where I was

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Speaker 1: actually born. So your croation, yes. So this is just

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Speaker 1: your DJ name that you use all the time. Dave

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Speaker 1: Austin is a stage name because if I use my

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Speaker 1: real name, no one would have bought the CDs or

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Speaker 1: booked me. So would have been if if you don't

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Speaker 1: So my real name is Dave Kvavich. That's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a handful that one who's going to book a

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Speaker 1: DJ called Dave Kvavich, who's going to buy a song

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Speaker 1: by this producer called Dave Kvavich. So I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to say this. I don't think alex Ka's surname is Kay.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Nick. I don't think Nick Skids' surname

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Speaker 1: but mine's definitely not Austin. But what was funny, I'll

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Speaker 1: just fast forward a little bit when I started making

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Speaker 1: music with Captain Kirk.

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Speaker 2: Captain Kirk walks into my house.

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Speaker 1: I'm living with your parents, and he goes up to

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Speaker 1: my mom and goes, hello, Missus Austin, and I said, Kirk,

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Speaker 1: it's not but yeah, And that was the day we

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Speaker 1: Kirk did everyone. It's the biggest one that I've made,

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Speaker 2: And I made it with Kirk, and that's called the Battle.

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Speaker 1: That was basically had that sample in a battlest DJs

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Speaker 1: And he said, oh, Missus Austin, and I just laughed.

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Speaker 1: to get in the Oxford streets scene. I thought, because

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Speaker 2: The DJs weren't really getting in there.

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Speaker 1: So I thought, if I call it Dave Austin, all

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Speaker 1: And when they were having all the TV screens out

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Speaker 2: So you know, we spoke about Lee Butler and those

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Speaker 1: So they were kind of big, but they would never

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Speaker 1: look I was never Nick Skids Alex k level, but

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Speaker 1: So I didn't want to sell out, man like That's

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Speaker 1: well obviously respected those guys, and you know, I saw

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Speaker 1: Paramatta Road, Camper Down Saloon Bar. They used to be Dodgy.

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Speaker 2: That was called the Saloon Bar. They later on changed.

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Speaker 2: That was the first nightclub venue.

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Speaker 1: But the first mainstream where I started playing all the

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Speaker 1: big genre, a lot of vocals. You know, it's still

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Speaker 3: Like to me, I look at now at DJs when

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Speaker 3: all computerized or laptops. Now, this was not like there's

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Speaker 1: Look if you've got one set of decks at home,

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Speaker 1: that's like a DJ controller compared to back then, there

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Speaker 1: on CD. You'd have to buy the vinyl, And back

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Speaker 1: then vinyl was like eighteen dollars ninety dollars for one

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Speaker 1: they were lasting all the awesome songs that we all

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Speaker 1: it was called Central Cuts, So a lot of those

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Speaker 1: songs on Central Cuts were from the World the MCD,

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Speaker 1: And it's it's amazing. It's amazing that it's so expensive.

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Speaker 1: Not anymore?

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00:17:27,721 --> 00:17:28,160
Speaker 2: Not anymore.

435
00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,920
Speaker 1: Used to Sydney was the place to be. And now

436
00:17:30,961 --> 00:17:32,561
Speaker 1: I love Gold Coaster and Melbourne.

437
00:17:32,561 --> 00:17:35,001
Speaker 3: You know, Melbourne for a partying because Melbourne's never change

438
00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,961
Speaker 3: to me, Melbourne's just like Europe. It's like, fucking yeah,

439
00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:41,600
Speaker 3: Gold Coast is fun to me. Gold Coast reminds me

440
00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,480
Speaker 3: of what Sydney used to be, like bouncing off clubs.

441
00:17:44,521 --> 00:17:45,521
Speaker 2: I agree with you one hundred percent.

442
00:17:45,681 --> 00:17:47,080
Speaker 1: If I had someone to live and it wasn't for

443
00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:49,041
Speaker 1: work and that, I'd probably go up to the Gold Coast.

444
00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:52,280
Speaker 1: I'd retire. It's the fucking best. I've got about ten

445
00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:54,840
Speaker 1: years to go I'll probably be going up there, whether

446
00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,200
Speaker 1: my wife likes it or not. I think we'll be

447
00:17:56,241 --> 00:17:57,761
Speaker 1: gone up there if I can make it happen. But

448
00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,841
Speaker 1: Sydney was a good place. I remember running Trademark when

449
00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,960
Speaker 1: John literally running the promotions was there, was promoting events

450
00:18:06,001 --> 00:18:07,120
Speaker 1: like one off events and stuff.

451
00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,761
Speaker 2: So I was runing these Croatian nights.

452
00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,000
Speaker 1: I remember we took a Saturday, the Saturday between Christmas

453
00:18:12,041 --> 00:18:13,600
Speaker 1: and Years Eve, and I sort of said to him, listen,

454
00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:17,281
Speaker 1: you guys aren't going to get any numbers because Christmas

455
00:18:17,801 --> 00:18:19,281
Speaker 1: a few days before, and you got New Years Eve,

456
00:18:19,521 --> 00:18:21,281
Speaker 1: and then you've got the week after Year's Eve. So

457
00:18:21,561 --> 00:18:24,321
Speaker 1: let me bring in a whole bunch of alcoholic Croatians

458
00:18:24,801 --> 00:18:26,440
Speaker 1: to boost your numbers a bit and that'll carry over

459
00:18:26,481 --> 00:18:28,880
Speaker 1: to the middle of January. And so I got the

460
00:18:28,961 --> 00:18:31,680
Speaker 1: venue and John actually came that night, I remember, and

461
00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,720
Speaker 1: he was there with Popaarti as well. I remember him

462
00:18:34,721 --> 00:18:37,041
Speaker 1: walking through the door, and we did a big night there.

463
00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,200
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, I didn't think we're going to

464
00:18:39,201 --> 00:18:41,160
Speaker 1: do big numbers because that was probably one of the

465
00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,200
Speaker 1: hardest nights to run of the year, and people just

466
00:18:45,281 --> 00:18:48,001
Speaker 1: kept coming in. People like we thought we'd end up

467
00:18:48,001 --> 00:18:49,440
Speaker 1: with three or four, and we ended up with closer

468
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,281
Speaker 1: nine hundred or one thousand. And at one point, I

469
00:18:52,281 --> 00:18:56,200
Speaker 1: remember the deal was that we would get the door, and.

470
00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:57,920
Speaker 2: Here we go, here we go.

471
00:18:58,281 --> 00:19:01,201
Speaker 1: I remember what you're going to say that the deal

472
00:19:01,321 --> 00:19:02,321
Speaker 1: was we're going to get the door, that I'm going

473
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:04,080
Speaker 1: to get the bar. And then there was a bit

474
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,600
Speaker 1: of a dispute about them saying, what about you guys

475
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,080
Speaker 1: get the door to one and then we'll get it

476
00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:09,481
Speaker 1: after and I said, no, no, no, the door's mine

477
00:19:09,561 --> 00:19:11,360
Speaker 1: or night I'm going to bring you is like, you know,

478
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 1: eighty ninety grand on the bar right, and we did.

479
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,241
Speaker 2: We got I think we got up to eighty or grand,

480
00:19:15,321 --> 00:19:15,880
Speaker 2: whatever it was.

481
00:19:16,561 --> 00:19:18,481
Speaker 1: And what was funny is I kind of thought I'd

482
00:19:18,521 --> 00:19:20,241
Speaker 1: been out of the scene for a while and I'd

483
00:19:20,241 --> 00:19:22,001
Speaker 1: come back into it and I'm just looking. There was

484
00:19:22,041 --> 00:19:23,920
Speaker 1: a line, and the line would get shorter, and the

485
00:19:23,961 --> 00:19:26,161
Speaker 1: next thing you look, five minutes later, there's another line

486
00:19:26,201 --> 00:19:28,281
Speaker 1: up around that lane. Way. So I had a family

487
00:19:28,321 --> 00:19:31,521
Speaker 1: friend on the door with his girlfriend and I had

488
00:19:31,561 --> 00:19:33,281
Speaker 1: a look at a cash box and.

489
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:33,761
Speaker 2: It was full.

490
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,001
Speaker 1: It was overflowing. The cash d just was full. And

491
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, John's just walked up with his muscle.

492
00:19:41,281 --> 00:19:43,920
Speaker 1: If he says give us the cash red, just we're gone.

493
00:19:44,321 --> 00:19:46,041
Speaker 2: That's right. That's what I remember thinking. I thought, so

494
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:46,640
Speaker 2: you empty d.

495
00:19:48,481 --> 00:19:51,321
Speaker 1: I went up. I didn't. That was one thing. I thought,

496
00:19:51,321 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 1: How am I going to get my car? How am

497
00:19:52,681 --> 00:19:54,041
Speaker 1: I going to get out of you? Whatever? I had

498
00:19:54,041 --> 00:19:55,920
Speaker 1: a sort of So I went up to the manager

499
00:19:55,921 --> 00:19:58,001
Speaker 1: and I said, listen, O go look, we've done all right,

500
00:19:58,041 --> 00:19:59,801
Speaker 1: and we did. We did fine. I didn't think we'd

501
00:19:59,801 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 1: do that well. I said, listen, mate, we've done a

502
00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:04,561
Speaker 1: ride on the bar. How about you get your cloak

503
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,561
Speaker 1: room girl, get your float ready in the cash register,

504
00:20:07,921 --> 00:20:09,521
Speaker 1: bring it downstairs and we'll swap the door over and

505
00:20:09,561 --> 00:20:11,001
Speaker 1: we're finished, and you guys can have the rest of

506
00:20:11,001 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 1: the door. And he looked at me like I'm I mad,

507
00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 1: And it's like I said, no, man, we've done good.

508
00:20:15,561 --> 00:20:18,681
Speaker 1: Everyone's got to make money. Let's go. So I've gone

509
00:20:18,721 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 1: toll the door. Guys, listen, I'm going to park my

510
00:20:20,201 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 1: car illegally just on that corner. As soon as I

511
00:20:22,481 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 1: come down, you just bring the whole casheris of the

512
00:20:24,201 --> 00:20:25,761
Speaker 1: cash box and everything is put in the car.

513
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,201
Speaker 2: And I'm just driving home.

514
00:20:27,321 --> 00:20:30,041
Speaker 1: Didn't worry about the dejails or nothing, not that they

515
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 1: were going to do it. But if he says we

516
00:20:32,961 --> 00:20:35,761
Speaker 1: want that, starts thinking that it was too much. It

517
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 1: was honestly too much money. There he goes, if we

518
00:20:37,721 --> 00:20:39,281
Speaker 1: want that, we're getting that at the end of day.

519
00:20:39,281 --> 00:20:40,441
Speaker 1: We would have given it to him if you asked

520
00:20:40,441 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: for it. So but I thought, let's just give him this, like,

521
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,521
Speaker 1: let's talk it this way. So I gave them the door.

522
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 1: They swapped over. I've jumped out of your car, ran up,

523
00:20:48,521 --> 00:20:51,321
Speaker 1: got the cashers, I've got the bag cash box, shucked

524
00:20:51,321 --> 00:20:54,481
Speaker 1: it in the car right and I drove and as

525
00:20:54,481 --> 00:20:57,521
Speaker 1: I was putting in the car, they swapped over. And know, Jake,

526
00:20:57,561 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 1: there was about one hundred and fifty people in the line,

527
00:20:59,921 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 1: all willing to pay thirty five dollars to go in

528
00:21:02,241 --> 00:21:04,321
Speaker 1: and keep going right. And you know, at the end

529
00:21:04,321 --> 00:21:06,001
Speaker 1: of the day you've got to make when as a promoter,

530
00:21:06,041 --> 00:21:07,441
Speaker 1: you've got to make the venue money. There's no point

531
00:21:07,441 --> 00:21:09,401
Speaker 1: bringing in eighteen year olds that aren't going to spend

532
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,001
Speaker 1: any money, right, There's no point. There's got to be

533
00:21:11,041 --> 00:21:13,561
Speaker 1: something for everyone. So Croatians tend to drink a lot

534
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,481
Speaker 1: on these what we call wog nights. Yeah, and you

535
00:21:16,561 --> 00:21:18,241
Speaker 1: got the Crown nights to Serbian knights and all this

536
00:21:18,281 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. The Greek take a night massive nights, correct,

537
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,281
Speaker 1: So you know, when you do all that, you've got

538
00:21:23,281 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: to make them money. That's part of the responsibility. And

539
00:21:25,761 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: the next days we went Dave thanks man like say,

540
00:21:28,001 --> 00:21:30,281
Speaker 1: when you want to do another event, and I've got

541
00:21:30,321 --> 00:21:31,681
Speaker 1: and I know, I know that they would have done

542
00:21:31,681 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: a huge bar, like that's none of my business what

543
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,801
Speaker 1: you make, but they just do all right because yeah,

544
00:21:34,801 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 1: and I'll think you threw that eighty four thousand dollars

545
00:21:37,721 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: bar that he took that night, and everyone made some

546
00:21:40,961 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 1: money and it was a good time to be alive.

547
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,041
Speaker 1: But I just remember looking at everything and thinking this

548
00:21:46,201 --> 00:21:48,120
Speaker 1: was a really big night because the cross was actually

549
00:21:48,201 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: quite that night, but people just kept coming, like I

550
00:21:51,481 --> 00:21:54,321
Speaker 1: think when everything else was quiet, we were busy, and

551
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,361
Speaker 1: Trademark was such a good venue. It was a shame

552
00:21:56,441 --> 00:21:58,281
Speaker 1: to sort of lose it as well. But you can't

553
00:21:58,281 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: go wrong on them log notes. They always used to

554
00:22:00,281 --> 00:22:03,321
Speaker 1: be fucking intense. They have their phases, yeah, but they're

555
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,721
Speaker 1: big again now. Yeah, start I'm doing one with a

556
00:22:05,761 --> 00:22:09,281
Speaker 1: guy called Danilo. I'm helping him run his night at Arcade,

557
00:22:09,761 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 1: and the ticket sales are really going really well for

558
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: that one. So that's on the June Long weekend. He's

559
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,881
Speaker 1: even got Sea Deck booked in for October, so I'm

560
00:22:16,921 --> 00:22:19,401
Speaker 1: looking at that. And the ticket sales speak from salves,

561
00:22:19,441 --> 00:22:22,361
Speaker 1: people booking tables, you know, people dropping five grand, six

562
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: grand on tables and stuff. So there's a lot of

563
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: spending there. And that's the thing, Like I said, when

564
00:22:26,241 --> 00:22:28,281
Speaker 1: I go in to a venue, you know, I may

565
00:22:28,321 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: not be the most flashiest dress bloke there, but you

566
00:22:30,681 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: know you're going to hear if I'm going to tell

567
00:22:32,201 --> 00:22:33,641
Speaker 1: you they're not going to drink, they're not going to drink.

568
00:22:33,681 --> 00:22:35,641
Speaker 1: But basically speak, when you've got people over twenty five

569
00:22:35,721 --> 00:22:37,721
Speaker 1: or thirty, a lot of these older this older market

570
00:22:37,801 --> 00:22:40,161
Speaker 1: wants to go out. I did Mark Cooney with Rob

571
00:22:40,201 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: Brizzy and Mitchell I DJ at an event there that

572
00:22:42,961 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: was entertainer. They sold out within a day. Couldn't get

573
00:22:46,441 --> 00:22:48,801
Speaker 1: tickets for my friends or anything, so and that was

574
00:22:48,801 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: a really good night. So I think I think the

575
00:22:50,481 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: older people want to party more than the younger people.

576
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,041
Speaker 2: I think we can go longer.

577
00:22:54,801 --> 00:22:56,961
Speaker 1: The older party. As I said, the old crew, old

578
00:22:56,961 --> 00:22:57,481
Speaker 1: school crew.

579
00:22:57,561 --> 00:23:00,241
Speaker 3: They want to party like they because they know that

580
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:02,001
Speaker 3: they miss them days, you know what I mean. So

581
00:23:02,041 --> 00:23:03,801
Speaker 3: they want to keep going. They want to keep going.

582
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,881
Speaker 3: But that's why I've stopped going to these reunions because

583
00:23:08,001 --> 00:23:11,321
Speaker 3: it's not the same. It's not the same, the same vibe.

584
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,721
Speaker 3: And you get a mixture of the young people coming

585
00:23:13,761 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 3: with the old school and that ruins it to me.

586
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what I mean. Look, I think a

587
00:23:18,561 --> 00:23:20,721
Speaker 1: reunion is a reunion, but when you've got too many

588
00:23:20,721 --> 00:23:23,281
Speaker 1: of them happening at the ya with a short space

589
00:23:23,281 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: of time, it takes something away from it, you know,

590
00:23:25,521 --> 00:23:26,761
Speaker 1: Like a reunion needs to be at.

591
00:23:26,721 --> 00:23:28,961
Speaker 2: Least a year apart from each other, I think.

592
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:31,321
Speaker 1: But then you've got these other promoters, other DJs all

593
00:23:31,321 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: sort of put them together, and it does, say, not

594
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,721
Speaker 1: affect the numbers. But there's about six reunions for DCMS

595
00:23:35,721 --> 00:23:38,281
Speaker 1: out there, you know what I mean? How many one?

596
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: But the thing is, how can you have it?

597
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: To me?

598
00:23:40,561 --> 00:23:42,921
Speaker 1: I went to one live and not long ago last year.

599
00:23:42,961 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: It was like DCMS at the old DCMS venue. But

600
00:23:45,441 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: the thing is, when you walk up, it's not DCMS anymore.

601
00:23:48,201 --> 00:23:51,001
Speaker 1: It's a white wall, it's fucking curtains everywhere. So it's

602
00:23:51,041 --> 00:23:53,001
Speaker 1: not to me, that's not a reunion. It's not I'm

603
00:23:53,001 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: not visualizing the old dcs. So you just remind me

604
00:23:56,521 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: saying about d CM. Then I was listening to your

605
00:23:58,681 --> 00:24:01,241
Speaker 1: podcast with Mickey D. You ask the question. I want

606
00:24:01,241 --> 00:24:04,241
Speaker 1: you to ask me the same question you're asking why

607
00:24:04,281 --> 00:24:07,121
Speaker 1: do they talk more about DCM and not the other clubs?

608
00:24:08,241 --> 00:24:09,041
Speaker 2: You remember that question?

609
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you can formally ask you that question.

610
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: Why would they talk about DCM so much but not

611
00:24:16,241 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 1: the other venues? What was so fucking good about DCMS.

612
00:24:20,681 --> 00:24:23,961
Speaker 1: DCM is a venue where if you're the DJ and

613
00:24:23,961 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: there's no one in that room, the acoustics in that

614
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: room are incredible, meaning that basically if there's no one

615
00:24:31,241 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: in the room, it still feels like there's people dancing

616
00:24:33,961 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: in there. So even when I used to do the

617
00:24:35,521 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: early sets, you'd get five people walk in and they

618
00:24:38,561 --> 00:24:41,321
Speaker 1: straight away start dancing, they start bopping. This is ten

619
00:24:41,321 --> 00:24:44,161
Speaker 1: point thirty. The doors are just open, they start walking

620
00:24:44,201 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: through a slow and what it is, it's the vibration

621
00:24:47,001 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: in the echo that it doesn't have. It's just got

622
00:24:50,041 --> 00:24:53,001
Speaker 1: a real warm sound. And it's like you feel comfortable

623
00:24:53,001 --> 00:24:55,521
Speaker 1: in there. So the same thing can be applied to

624
00:24:56,321 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: all these big rock bands from back in the seventies

625
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,521
Speaker 1: and the eighties and all that that come to Sydney

626
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,321
Speaker 1: and what are the venues they all want to play,

627
00:25:02,481 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: not because it holds more people, but in more theater

628
00:25:05,281 --> 00:25:07,401
Speaker 1: is known like in that music industry, in that rock

629
00:25:07,441 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: sort of music industry, as having really good acoustics where

630
00:25:10,241 --> 00:25:12,281
Speaker 1: these bands want to actually play. So it only holds

631
00:25:12,521 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: a couple of thousand people, and these guys can actually

632
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: sell out an arena or whatever, but they prefer to

633
00:25:17,721 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: play there because of the ambience and the acoustics in

634
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: the room. So you know, I don't think they did

635
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,521
Speaker 1: it intentionally, and that's why the music never sounded as

636
00:25:25,521 --> 00:25:27,361
Speaker 1: good anywhere else other than DCM.

637
00:25:27,721 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: That's what I think Mickey might not have picked up on.

638
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,521
Speaker 1: And I noticed that because I was a producer and

639
00:25:32,561 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: I was always trying to get my room. You know,

640
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,561
Speaker 1: I'll put my mattress up on against the window to

641
00:25:36,561 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: stop the eka coming through and stuff like that. So

642
00:25:38,961 --> 00:25:40,361
Speaker 1: when you got in there with a full room, now

643
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,441
Speaker 1: there's more people whobsorbing the sound and you hear and everything.

644
00:25:43,561 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: And you can go into a venue like Rugues and

645
00:25:45,441 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: you had the brick walls, and yet music always sounded

646
00:25:47,961 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: good there. But DCM had that special thing. And then

647
00:25:50,201 --> 00:25:51,921
Speaker 1: it was the shape of the room. It was where

648
00:25:51,921 --> 00:25:54,521
Speaker 1: the DJ was, it's where you look down, it's the podiums.

649
00:25:54,801 --> 00:25:56,961
Speaker 1: And then when you just look back on it, it

650
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: was just black with lasers and fucking lights going on.

651
00:25:59,761 --> 00:26:02,721
Speaker 1: And that's what other venue was it you put the

652
00:26:02,801 --> 00:26:04,561
Speaker 1: lights on, you go, well, that fucking dumped. This place

653
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,321
Speaker 1: is per you know what I mean. It's probably rats

654
00:26:07,321 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: behind the bar, but it was just it was it

655
00:26:10,561 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: was just it was a it was a ship off.

656
00:26:12,441 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 3: But the thing is when you dim the lights off

657
00:26:14,921 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: and put all the fucking their night club lights on

658
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 3: and the fucking lasers going and you pumped that base,

659
00:26:19,441 --> 00:26:21,001
Speaker 3: you could think you were overseas.

660
00:26:20,561 --> 00:26:21,281
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

661
00:26:21,321 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: And that's what it was. It was the ambiance in

662
00:26:22,921 --> 00:26:24,961
Speaker 1: the room, the feeling that it gave you. And it's

663
00:26:25,001 --> 00:26:27,401
Speaker 1: very hard to actually design that. Okay, So he had

664
00:26:27,441 --> 00:26:29,921
Speaker 1: Envy down the road, Ye okay, So I remember playing

665
00:26:29,961 --> 00:26:32,561
Speaker 1: at Envy and it was a great room, all right.

666
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: But if you have to compare the two d CM

667
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: was the king of all energy clubs.

668
00:26:36,441 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I remember we used to get Home nightclub

669
00:26:38,681 --> 00:26:40,441
Speaker 3: coming up to check us out all the time because

670
00:26:40,481 --> 00:26:43,241
Speaker 3: at the time they were playing and High Energy too.

671
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,681
Speaker 1: Always used to come to the door and nicely asked

672
00:26:45,721 --> 00:26:47,241
Speaker 1: can we go inside? And I knew who they work,

673
00:26:47,281 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: so they used to work for them, and they just

674
00:26:48,921 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: wanted they'd stay there for an hour to check out.

675
00:26:51,201 --> 00:26:54,801
Speaker 1: What was so popular about this fucking place? One hundred percent?

676
00:26:54,961 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: It was always busier on a Saturday night than a Friday. Yeah, okay,

677
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: so Friday nights were quite I remember doing Did you

678
00:26:59,921 --> 00:27:03,081
Speaker 1: ever meet Justin Niker? Yes, yes, yes, yeah, you know Justin. Yes,

679
00:27:03,241 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: he he booked me because Envy was doing these free

680
00:27:06,961 --> 00:27:11,521
Speaker 1: entry Friday nights which totally obliterated Rogues and then DC's

681
00:27:11,561 --> 00:27:14,521
Speaker 1: were going to even though John owned both venues, they're

682
00:27:14,521 --> 00:27:17,201
Speaker 1: competing against each other. We try to get a Friday

683
00:27:17,281 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: night going there, and then eventually from that I ended

684
00:27:18,961 --> 00:27:21,041
Speaker 1: up getting the Saurday nights, so I remember helping him

685
00:27:21,041 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: out with that.

686
00:27:21,761 --> 00:27:23,481
Speaker 2: Georgie j was playing on that one as well.

687
00:27:23,961 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: Didn't really work on a Friday night, but Envy was

688
00:27:26,241 --> 00:27:27,521
Speaker 1: always busy on the Friday night.

689
00:27:27,561 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 2: And then it kind of just turned into R and B.

690
00:27:29,521 --> 00:27:32,201
Speaker 1: He went R and B on Fridays at DC's okay,

691
00:27:32,241 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: But before that, I think they went to Envy first,

692
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,281
Speaker 1: and then eventually that was two thousand and two. Yeah,

693
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,401
Speaker 1: so two thousand and two kind of energy just dropped

694
00:27:40,561 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: R and B and hip Hop, eminem fifty cent and

695
00:27:42,921 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: all those guys came out because they took it over.

696
00:27:44,961 --> 00:27:47,321
Speaker 1: Remember to Friday nights was always called, you know, for

697
00:27:47,561 --> 00:27:49,241
Speaker 1: R and B, and then Saturdays was just kept for

698
00:27:49,281 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: Hay Energy. Well, at this point in time, this is

699
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: probably two thousand and one, and DCM were doing the

700
00:27:54,801 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: Energy thing. So you had astro Cadell, you had all

701
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,121
Speaker 1: these DJs playing York. But like it's sort of turned

702
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: into thing you go to Envy on a Friday and

703
00:28:02,001 --> 00:28:04,521
Speaker 1: DCM on the Saturday night, and that's how it just became.

704
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: But at one point, I remember, if you go back further,

705
00:28:06,961 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: like if you go to ninety six, I remember driving

706
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,321
Speaker 1: through every nightclub and they'd be playing Amen Passion like

707
00:28:12,441 --> 00:28:14,561
Speaker 1: in every club, like Energy was being played. Ever and

708
00:28:14,561 --> 00:28:17,081
Speaker 1: eventually it fizzled out and it sort of just got

709
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: stuck to that started becoming more niche and then I

710
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,241
Speaker 1: can't remember what was happening roads because I wasn't going there,

711
00:28:22,281 --> 00:28:24,521
Speaker 1: but I think Rogues was sort of struggling.

712
00:28:24,921 --> 00:28:25,681
Speaker 2: People were struggling.

713
00:28:25,761 --> 00:28:28,001
Speaker 1: Cost of living was a thing back then too, you know,

714
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: so a free enter on a Friday, and it was

715
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: pretty appealing to you if you liked energy, and you've

716
00:28:32,441 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: got to see good DJs like Steven b Astro, Mickey

717
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,641
Speaker 1: Dal I think even played there. It was a good

718
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,041
Speaker 1: crew of guys and the music was familiar and consistent.

719
00:28:41,481 --> 00:28:43,601
Speaker 1: But once again, man just coming back to the music,

720
00:28:44,121 --> 00:28:46,881
Speaker 1: DCM had that sound that you know, no one talks

721
00:28:46,881 --> 00:28:47,801
Speaker 1: about envy that much.

722
00:28:48,041 --> 00:28:50,521
Speaker 3: I still got people arguing, like if I bring some

723
00:28:50,561 --> 00:28:52,681
Speaker 3: of them about DCMS, and it's not the old school people,

724
00:28:52,721 --> 00:28:55,441
Speaker 3: it's the new generation or someone who didn't get into

725
00:28:55,521 --> 00:28:57,481
Speaker 3: DCS because I didn't let him in. It's like, what's

726
00:28:57,481 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: the big thing, what's the bigger Let's get over your

727
00:28:59,441 --> 00:29:01,161
Speaker 3: fucking high horse and up DCMS.

728
00:29:01,361 --> 00:29:03,641
Speaker 1: But even though I'll say this, and I've said it

729
00:29:03,681 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: a lot of times before I worked there, I hated

730
00:29:07,041 --> 00:29:09,561
Speaker 1: the fucking venue. I hated it all right.

731
00:29:09,641 --> 00:29:12,761
Speaker 3: I fucking I used to fucking sack dormant from other venues.

732
00:29:12,761 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: I worked that if they worked there, because I didn't

733
00:29:15,521 --> 00:29:17,041
Speaker 3: like it, and it was nothing to do with who

734
00:29:17,081 --> 00:29:17,361
Speaker 3: owned it.

735
00:29:17,441 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: I didn't have a fucking clue at the time. Well,

736
00:29:18,961 --> 00:29:21,801
Speaker 1: we were frowned upon as DJs for playing energy and

737
00:29:21,801 --> 00:29:23,801
Speaker 1: playing at DCM was like all the house DJs, they

738
00:29:23,841 --> 00:29:26,641
Speaker 1: frowned upon us, and I was like, what's the problem,

739
00:29:26,761 --> 00:29:28,681
Speaker 1: Like these are the best place. And I went to

740
00:29:28,721 --> 00:29:31,361
Speaker 1: other nightclubs, like I gave vis at all venues and

741
00:29:31,641 --> 00:29:34,161
Speaker 1: party or whatever, but none of them held the candle

742
00:29:34,241 --> 00:29:37,161
Speaker 1: to DCM made. And I don't think there will be

743
00:29:37,201 --> 00:29:40,281
Speaker 1: a nightclub that can have that long lasting effect. I

744
00:29:40,321 --> 00:29:43,721
Speaker 1: remember the un era coming in two thousand and six.

745
00:29:44,121 --> 00:29:44,641
Speaker 2: Is that where that?

746
00:29:45,001 --> 00:29:47,841
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe a bit before, a little bit before, yeah,

747
00:29:47,881 --> 00:29:49,281
Speaker 1: because I rememb two thousand and four. I think it

748
00:29:49,361 --> 00:29:50,641
Speaker 1: was six started kicking in, you know.

749
00:29:50,721 --> 00:29:51,161
Speaker 2: I remember.

750
00:29:51,321 --> 00:29:54,321
Speaker 1: I remember I released a kicking hard mixed CD and

751
00:29:54,361 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: they did a CD launch there for it, and I

752
00:29:57,281 --> 00:29:59,921
Speaker 1: was I remember playing and they moved the DJ booth

753
00:29:59,961 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: to the other side. There was a different crowd and

754
00:30:02,281 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: I wore that Sunset Brothers than Alex Case sort of

755
00:30:04,481 --> 00:30:06,881
Speaker 1: crowd like. And now Alex k went back further like

756
00:30:07,001 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: that new era sort of came in. I sort of

757
00:30:09,001 --> 00:30:11,081
Speaker 1: moved out of the scene. It's just started making music

758
00:30:11,121 --> 00:30:12,281
Speaker 1: at that point. But I had a bit of a break,

759
00:30:12,721 --> 00:30:15,401
Speaker 1: but there was a different market. I just sort of thought, yeah,

760
00:30:15,441 --> 00:30:17,361
Speaker 1: this isn't isn't the same, And it's not because I

761
00:30:17,441 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: was much older.

762
00:30:18,361 --> 00:30:20,401
Speaker 2: I think now I'll look at it to those people.

763
00:30:20,921 --> 00:30:22,761
Speaker 1: They'd appreciate it for us because it was the best

764
00:30:22,761 --> 00:30:25,361
Speaker 1: that they had, but we had a better back then

765
00:30:25,881 --> 00:30:28,921
Speaker 1: before then They've got nothing else to compare it to. Basically, Yeah,

766
00:30:28,961 --> 00:30:31,081
Speaker 1: that's why I think they still talk about it. And

767
00:30:31,161 --> 00:30:34,321
Speaker 1: once again, the music sounds the best in that room.

768
00:30:34,641 --> 00:30:36,601
Speaker 1: It's the room, it's the acoustics in that room, it's

769
00:30:36,641 --> 00:30:39,361
Speaker 1: the lighting, it's everything, and you can't create that space.

770
00:30:39,681 --> 00:30:41,681
Speaker 1: It's funny that you say that, because when you were

771
00:30:41,721 --> 00:30:43,881
Speaker 1: in DC's and you have the main room for high energy,

772
00:30:43,881 --> 00:30:45,881
Speaker 1: but then you had the house room, you could never

773
00:30:46,001 --> 00:30:48,041
Speaker 1: hear the high energy. It was like it was like

774
00:30:48,481 --> 00:30:50,161
Speaker 1: you could hear it, but not hear it, you know

775
00:30:50,201 --> 00:30:52,281
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was just shut off. Yeah, it

776
00:30:52,361 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: was a uniquely designed room. And I remember sort of

777
00:30:55,561 --> 00:30:57,881
Speaker 1: running a few parties a couple of years ago now,

778
00:30:57,921 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: but just going in there when it was empty, and

779
00:31:00,321 --> 00:31:02,921
Speaker 1: you just sort of do a sound check and I'd

780
00:31:02,921 --> 00:31:04,681
Speaker 1: sit there and because you're sort of looking at it

781
00:31:04,681 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: from a from a technical point of view, and you

782
00:31:07,001 --> 00:31:09,921
Speaker 1: sort of start realizing, hey, like there's not really much

783
00:31:09,961 --> 00:31:12,521
Speaker 1: echoing here, and you can see why you get that

784
00:31:12,601 --> 00:31:13,161
Speaker 1: warmth sound.

785
00:31:13,161 --> 00:31:14,361
Speaker 2: It's look put it this way.

786
00:31:14,641 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: The biggest thing people complain about a nightclub when it's busy,

787
00:31:18,121 --> 00:31:19,721
Speaker 1: it's two packed. You couldn't move, and it was too

788
00:31:19,721 --> 00:31:21,281
Speaker 1: sweaty or was too hot. They didn't turn the air

789
00:31:21,321 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: conditions off. Right, Okay, what's the opposite of that? Completely

790
00:31:24,761 --> 00:31:26,881
Speaker 1: enter him. There's only five people in the old shit like,

791
00:31:27,161 --> 00:31:28,281
Speaker 1: we don't want to gather anymore.

792
00:31:28,601 --> 00:31:30,241
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now. As a promata, I

793
00:31:30,321 --> 00:31:31,401
Speaker 2: used to love hearing.

794
00:31:31,121 --> 00:31:34,001
Speaker 1: The complaints about it's two packed, their condition who's not

795
00:31:34,001 --> 00:31:35,041
Speaker 1: turning their conditioning on it?

796
00:31:35,241 --> 00:31:36,361
Speaker 2: Like come on, like seriously.

797
00:31:36,521 --> 00:31:38,681
Speaker 1: But what happens is the conditioning can't keep up because

798
00:31:38,681 --> 00:31:41,121
Speaker 1: people throw off heat. And that was part of the

799
00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: other thing with DC Man. It will say good when

800
00:31:43,521 --> 00:31:46,441
Speaker 1: the bass used to vibrate really loud song from Memory

801
00:31:46,521 --> 00:31:49,881
Speaker 1: Nick Skis's remix of Faith. There's a big drone like

802
00:31:49,921 --> 00:31:52,961
Speaker 1: a sub base that just go like and a vibbrates

803
00:31:53,241 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: and I just remember the sweat coming down from the ceiling.

804
00:31:55,241 --> 00:31:58,921
Speaker 2: But it was like, you can't beat that. You cannot

805
00:31:58,921 --> 00:31:59,361
Speaker 2: beat that.

806
00:31:59,401 --> 00:32:01,561
Speaker 1: And their conditioning is on full blast, but people are

807
00:32:01,601 --> 00:32:03,881
Speaker 1: generating so much e because they're dancing that the air

808
00:32:03,921 --> 00:32:06,801
Speaker 1: conditioning can't keep up. So then they tend to drink more.

809
00:32:06,881 --> 00:32:10,361
Speaker 1: The nightclub owners. Everyone makes money, everyone enjoys themselves, everyone's happy.

810
00:32:10,361 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: But I remember we used to pull like two thousand

811
00:32:12,241 --> 00:32:14,561
Speaker 1: people at ruber Seals. I was running a night called

812
00:32:14,561 --> 00:32:18,321
Speaker 1: Eurosuperclub in two thousand and four and we had the

813
00:32:18,321 --> 00:32:20,801
Speaker 1: same problems, like the air conditioning couldn't keep up, and

814
00:32:20,841 --> 00:32:23,881
Speaker 1: they actually ended up upgrading the air conditioning because of

815
00:32:23,921 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: that problem that they had.

816
00:32:25,001 --> 00:32:27,001
Speaker 2: And we're running for about two years.

817
00:32:27,401 --> 00:32:29,121
Speaker 1: If I can go on a different tangent, why that

818
00:32:29,201 --> 00:32:34,161
Speaker 1: nightclub stuffed up? Why so we're running a night called

819
00:32:34,161 --> 00:32:37,361
Speaker 1: euro Superclub at rub Seals. Okay. So I'm thinking it's

820
00:32:37,361 --> 00:32:41,161
Speaker 1: two thousand and five now, okay, And what happened was

821
00:32:41,201 --> 00:32:44,001
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of a beach fight at Cronulla.

822
00:32:44,641 --> 00:32:47,961
Speaker 1: So on the news, race flars are going on, right,

823
00:32:48,241 --> 00:32:51,121
Speaker 1: So we're maubra Ossi sat Area Brah Boys sort of

824
00:32:51,281 --> 00:32:54,361
Speaker 1: home turf and all that. The fights happened, and then

825
00:32:54,401 --> 00:32:57,121
Speaker 1: there was the revenge attacks. Yeah, okay, so we're running

826
00:32:57,121 --> 00:33:00,041
Speaker 1: every fortnight and we're fifty grand budget. We'll running these nights,

827
00:33:00,201 --> 00:33:01,961
Speaker 1: four of us running it. We're from big money. It

828
00:33:02,041 --> 00:33:05,321
Speaker 1: used to get the big numbers. And anyway, so we've

829
00:33:05,321 --> 00:33:07,481
Speaker 1: gone to book the guy from Big Brother. I think

830
00:33:07,481 --> 00:33:10,321
Speaker 1: we booked Bessie Bardow. She was a radio personality. She

831
00:33:10,401 --> 00:33:13,001
Speaker 1: was a ready personality. And then this race war happens.

832
00:33:13,001 --> 00:33:16,561
Speaker 1: And then on the Tuesday or the Wednesday night after it,

833
00:33:17,001 --> 00:33:20,001
Speaker 1: the guys had come through Maruba, that road that leads

834
00:33:20,001 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: down in Rubra yep, and they went through and they

835
00:33:22,321 --> 00:33:24,921
Speaker 1: smashed all the cars. Do you remember that, the revenge attacks?

836
00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:25,161
Speaker 2: Yeah?

837
00:33:25,161 --> 00:33:27,801
Speaker 1: Remember that? Okay, So they did on the Wednesday, and

838
00:33:27,841 --> 00:33:31,081
Speaker 1: our night is on the Saturday, three days later, and

839
00:33:31,121 --> 00:33:33,641
Speaker 1: it's called euro Superclub. All right.

840
00:33:34,041 --> 00:33:35,561
Speaker 2: So every wog that would.

841
00:33:35,361 --> 00:33:37,801
Speaker 1: Have gone was thinking, now the Libs had just smashed

842
00:33:37,841 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: this place up when I go, and so we went

843
00:33:39,761 --> 00:33:41,041
Speaker 1: from like I think at that point we were like

844
00:33:41,081 --> 00:33:45,081
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen hundred payers to two hundred and thirty. Wow,

845
00:33:45,361 --> 00:33:47,361
Speaker 1: all right, and we had Big Brother and that was

846
00:33:47,401 --> 00:33:50,201
Speaker 1: what basically killed it so and it wasn't so much

847
00:33:50,401 --> 00:33:52,081
Speaker 1: what had happened. It was more the way that the

848
00:33:52,121 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: media had hyped it up into our trying to make

849
00:33:54,521 --> 00:33:56,401
Speaker 1: it bigger than what it was and you know, obviously

850
00:33:56,401 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: get more ratings and stuff. So that was one of

851
00:33:58,201 --> 00:34:00,961
Speaker 1: the big things. And I've seen some interesting stuff over

852
00:34:00,961 --> 00:34:03,041
Speaker 1: the years. That was probably the worst on That one

853
00:34:03,121 --> 00:34:06,761
Speaker 1: hit me hard financially, but that's the game we play.

854
00:34:06,801 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: You know, if you're not a business is going to

855
00:34:07,961 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: take a couple of risks. But that was a Yeah,

856
00:34:10,521 --> 00:34:12,361
Speaker 1: that was a pretty interesting sort of time. I'm going

857
00:34:12,361 --> 00:34:13,921
Speaker 1: to ask you, what's the worst thing you've ever seen

858
00:34:14,001 --> 00:34:16,521
Speaker 1: being a promoter or in the clubs. They smashed all

859
00:34:16,521 --> 00:34:20,081
Speaker 1: the cars down that street. When I saw that, I said, shit,

860
00:34:20,161 --> 00:34:23,001
Speaker 1: we've got euro on this weekend. And I drove down

861
00:34:23,041 --> 00:34:26,201
Speaker 1: there and it was glass and every car down the road.

862
00:34:26,721 --> 00:34:30,041
Speaker 1: There was houses smashed, there's windows broken on houses everything.

863
00:34:31,241 --> 00:34:33,121
Speaker 1: I don't even think the news covered it as bad

864
00:34:33,121 --> 00:34:34,921
Speaker 1: as it was, and it looked bad on the news,

865
00:34:35,321 --> 00:34:37,241
Speaker 1: it was worse when you actually got down there. And

866
00:34:37,241 --> 00:34:39,561
Speaker 1: then this even the manager from Ruber seals because it

867
00:34:39,601 --> 00:34:40,881
Speaker 1: was sort of more like an rsl clop but they

868
00:34:40,881 --> 00:34:42,961
Speaker 1: had this big room upstairs. He said, are you guys

869
00:34:43,001 --> 00:34:44,841
Speaker 1: still going to run? And everyone's like, yeah, what's the problem.

870
00:34:45,201 --> 00:34:47,041
Speaker 1: And I'm going, guys, this is a massive problem here.

871
00:34:47,041 --> 00:34:49,921
Speaker 1: We've got to sort this out. But I think now

872
00:34:50,001 --> 00:34:52,721
Speaker 1: that whole era of because look, once again, you'd go

873
00:34:52,801 --> 00:34:55,561
Speaker 1: to a nightclub it was full of Anglos Australians and

874
00:34:55,601 --> 00:34:58,001
Speaker 1: then eventually the wags would come and the stranger will

875
00:34:58,001 --> 00:35:00,361
Speaker 1: stopped going, and then the legs would come, and then

876
00:35:00,361 --> 00:35:02,681
Speaker 1: it'd be like that and then after twelve months it'll

877
00:35:02,721 --> 00:35:05,161
Speaker 1: fizzle off and they move on to the next best thing.

878
00:35:05,441 --> 00:35:06,601
Speaker 2: Now I think it's a little bit more.

879
00:35:06,721 --> 00:35:09,761
Speaker 1: Everyone's more integrated, more sort of socially accepting, which is

880
00:35:09,761 --> 00:35:12,721
Speaker 1: why you'll see Alex play his that Lebanese track that

881
00:35:12,761 --> 00:35:14,761
Speaker 1: he plays and that so and everyone gets into it.

882
00:35:14,801 --> 00:35:17,041
Speaker 1: So it's a bit more, you know, it was kind

883
00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:18,361
Speaker 1: of a thing that had to sort of erupt to

884
00:35:18,401 --> 00:35:19,801
Speaker 1: sort of get to where it is now. And I

885
00:35:19,801 --> 00:35:21,561
Speaker 1: think everyone's a little bit more accepting of each other

886
00:35:22,001 --> 00:35:26,241
Speaker 1: in that aspect. So you said, you said that to me,

887
00:35:26,801 --> 00:35:31,521
Speaker 1: d CMS is the ultimate energy venue. So what's the

888
00:35:31,681 --> 00:35:35,161
Speaker 1: ultimate house music venue that you've that you would say

889
00:35:35,201 --> 00:35:36,961
Speaker 1: that's really took control of Sydney.

890
00:35:37,641 --> 00:35:38,041
Speaker 2: IVY.

891
00:35:38,721 --> 00:35:41,641
Speaker 1: You think IVY, Wow, that's start. I wouldn't Ivy. IVY

892
00:35:41,641 --> 00:35:45,001
Speaker 1: and Marquee they raised the bar after that era of

893
00:35:45,081 --> 00:35:47,041
Speaker 1: d C M and that sod When did IVY start

894
00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:49,481
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven? DC is closed by well two

895
00:35:49,521 --> 00:35:52,321
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. Was it to the eighth Yeah, but

896
00:35:52,401 --> 00:35:54,961
Speaker 1: I think I'VEY opened around two thousand and seven, I

897
00:35:54,961 --> 00:35:57,281
Speaker 1: think from memory. And then also you had a Marquee

898
00:35:57,321 --> 00:36:01,001
Speaker 1: coming around the same time. Okay, so what happened with Marquee.

899
00:36:01,081 --> 00:36:02,881
Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons why people wonder why.

900
00:36:03,201 --> 00:36:05,241
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of reasons why Sydney sort

901
00:36:05,241 --> 00:36:07,161
Speaker 1: of struggling at the moment. One of the reasons was,

902
00:36:07,201 --> 00:36:09,001
Speaker 1: you know, I heard from my business dealing is basically

903
00:36:09,041 --> 00:36:12,001
Speaker 1: trying to book DJs that they had a contract Marque

904
00:36:12,041 --> 00:36:14,081
Speaker 1: would hold them to a contract that they weren't so

905
00:36:14,201 --> 00:36:15,841
Speaker 1: to be a twelve month contract. You might get four

906
00:36:15,881 --> 00:36:18,801
Speaker 1: bookings a year, but you're not allowed to play in

907
00:36:18,801 --> 00:36:19,841
Speaker 1: any other Sydney venues.

908
00:36:20,801 --> 00:36:21,761
Speaker 2: So that now dominates.

909
00:36:21,761 --> 00:36:23,321
Speaker 1: The better DJ in is the drawer cart and they

910
00:36:23,361 --> 00:36:26,041
Speaker 1: give them they're obviously compensated, you know, you'd have to

911
00:36:26,081 --> 00:36:28,241
Speaker 1: agree to the deal. But who's not going to want

912
00:36:28,241 --> 00:36:30,081
Speaker 1: to play at Marque, right, they're going to guarantee you

913
00:36:30,081 --> 00:36:32,081
Speaker 1: four or five or six bookings a year. I also

914
00:36:32,081 --> 00:36:35,281
Speaker 1: think the resident DJs weren't allowed to djingwhere else either. Wow,

915
00:36:35,561 --> 00:36:38,241
Speaker 1: So that now puts a stranglehold on all the good DJs,

916
00:36:38,241 --> 00:36:40,521
Speaker 1: all the talent out there. Everyone else was left sort

917
00:36:40,521 --> 00:36:42,881
Speaker 1: of struggling. So I think because they had so much

918
00:36:42,921 --> 00:36:46,201
Speaker 1: money to play with. You know, rent, gets expensive insurances,

919
00:36:46,201 --> 00:36:51,281
Speaker 1: get expensive stock staff, all the costs start rising and

920
00:36:51,321 --> 00:36:53,401
Speaker 1: everyone else is left sort of struggling. So I think

921
00:36:54,161 --> 00:36:55,921
Speaker 1: this is not a thing that happened overnight. This has

922
00:36:55,961 --> 00:36:59,321
Speaker 1: been ongoing. Then you chuck COVID into the mix. Transport

923
00:36:59,361 --> 00:37:03,601
Speaker 1: parking parking is another issue, but generally speaking, those nightclubs

924
00:37:03,601 --> 00:37:06,681
Speaker 1: had a stranglehold on the entertainment. So if you're playing

925
00:37:06,681 --> 00:37:09,001
Speaker 1: regularly at IVY, what would you play an urals? You know,

926
00:37:09,001 --> 00:37:11,761
Speaker 1: if that's your standard. So for a house venu, I'd

927
00:37:11,801 --> 00:37:15,401
Speaker 1: say definitely Ivy. Wow, I didn't expect that. What do

928
00:37:15,441 --> 00:37:18,561
Speaker 1: you think it would be? Have you had the biggest Yeah,

929
00:37:18,961 --> 00:37:20,961
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at the biggest, I'm all looking at

930
00:37:21,001 --> 00:37:25,281
Speaker 1: like would I say house like me, I remember, like

931
00:37:25,681 --> 00:37:28,921
Speaker 1: Soho that to me, Soho was a fucking pure house

932
00:37:28,961 --> 00:37:29,281
Speaker 1: it was.

933
00:37:29,601 --> 00:37:31,721
Speaker 2: It was a great venue for house music.

934
00:37:31,881 --> 00:37:35,561
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like that that Ivy just attracted

935
00:37:35,561 --> 00:37:37,121
Speaker 1: a whole nother generation of people.

936
00:37:37,121 --> 00:37:38,201
Speaker 2: I remember that that was the area.

937
00:37:38,321 --> 00:37:42,001
Speaker 3: To me, Ivy attracted and same with Trademark attracted the

938
00:37:42,081 --> 00:37:44,281
Speaker 3: same people who went to d C's. But they just

939
00:37:44,321 --> 00:37:46,561
Speaker 3: put fucking long pants on and fucking the ship.

940
00:37:48,001 --> 00:37:48,881
Speaker 2: I think that grew up.

941
00:37:48,961 --> 00:37:52,881
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, look, Soho was a good club man like

942
00:37:52,921 --> 00:37:54,521
Speaker 1: that was a great club. I wish I never got

943
00:37:54,561 --> 00:37:55,961
Speaker 1: the DJ that I wish I did, but I was

944
00:37:55,961 --> 00:37:59,081
Speaker 1: playing at EP one EP one they changed it to

945
00:37:59,121 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: the Tunnel because of the TV show.

946
00:38:00,641 --> 00:38:02,161
Speaker 2: Remember that was the TV show.

947
00:38:02,281 --> 00:38:06,761
Speaker 1: Underbelly, remember under And then they brought that in because

948
00:38:07,001 --> 00:38:08,721
Speaker 1: they were talking about the tunnel, and then they renamed

949
00:38:08,721 --> 00:38:09,921
Speaker 1: it to the Tunnel again. But when it was e

950
00:38:10,041 --> 00:38:14,401
Speaker 1: P one ninety six era, when you see that, that's

951
00:38:14,481 --> 00:38:17,121
Speaker 1: the dragon Fly was fucking known as a good.

952
00:38:17,001 --> 00:38:19,121
Speaker 2: As Actually that was a good house club too. I

953
00:38:19,201 --> 00:38:19,881
Speaker 2: forgot about it.

954
00:38:20,001 --> 00:38:22,521
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys would have got people from Dragonfly,

955
00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:24,121
Speaker 1: so they would have been club you know. When I

956
00:38:24,161 --> 00:38:26,241
Speaker 1: was at DJing. I was club hopping. I'd end up

957
00:38:26,241 --> 00:38:28,321
Speaker 1: at one end from Oxes Street to the Cross to

958
00:38:28,841 --> 00:38:30,601
Speaker 1: you know, down there as well. So you'reck and sojo

959
00:38:30,681 --> 00:38:33,281
Speaker 1: Is You're you're not so to me. But then again,

960
00:38:33,441 --> 00:38:35,481
Speaker 1: I look, crowd was like the crowd was the crowd

961
00:38:35,561 --> 00:38:36,321
Speaker 1: was very sexy.

962
00:38:36,641 --> 00:38:37,321
Speaker 2: Yeah it was.

963
00:38:37,321 --> 00:38:40,281
Speaker 1: There was a better looking crowd, and but I think

964
00:38:40,361 --> 00:38:42,201
Speaker 1: ivy in terms of if I'm looking at it from

965
00:38:42,201 --> 00:38:45,241
Speaker 1: a promoter's perspective, they were probably massive numbers, you know,

966
00:38:45,321 --> 00:38:47,921
Speaker 1: and then they're pulling the massive entertainment. And also Marquee

967
00:38:48,041 --> 00:38:51,921
Speaker 1: was as well, that's what the Marquee. I wasn't a

968
00:38:51,961 --> 00:38:54,721
Speaker 1: fan of it either, but that's you know. I was also,

969
00:38:55,161 --> 00:38:57,401
Speaker 1: these guys are all a generation behind me, you know,

970
00:38:57,641 --> 00:38:59,761
Speaker 1: as I sort of come through like nothing, I'm still

971
00:38:59,801 --> 00:39:01,721
Speaker 1: in d CM phase, you know, like DCM's are the best,

972
00:39:01,761 --> 00:39:05,281
Speaker 1: you know, but I was look d CM. It was

973
00:39:05,281 --> 00:39:07,481
Speaker 1: one of the best places to play. You know, they

974
00:39:07,561 --> 00:39:09,681
Speaker 1: had this shocking mixer there. I remember this mixer was

975
00:39:10,241 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: from ancient times, right, like it was just a mess.

976
00:39:12,521 --> 00:39:14,681
Speaker 1: But when they changed that mixer, you put up with

977
00:39:14,721 --> 00:39:16,401
Speaker 1: that just because it was such a good crowd to play.

978
00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,681
Speaker 1: It's such a good room to play in, but as

979
00:39:18,721 --> 00:39:20,321
Speaker 1: a house thing, you you see, you can't do the

980
00:39:20,361 --> 00:39:22,641
Speaker 1: same thing with house music at DC, and they tried

981
00:39:22,681 --> 00:39:26,761
Speaker 1: house nights. It didn't really work, which is interesting, you

982
00:39:26,761 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then EP one the house

983
00:39:30,521 --> 00:39:32,121
Speaker 1: music at that time. I see two thousand and six.

984
00:39:32,721 --> 00:39:34,281
Speaker 1: From two thousand and two to two thousand and six,

985
00:39:34,321 --> 00:39:35,921
Speaker 1: I remember R and B and hip hop being massive,

986
00:39:35,921 --> 00:39:38,761
Speaker 1: Eminem fifty cent, all that sort of stuff was huge.

987
00:39:39,161 --> 00:39:41,401
Speaker 1: And then two thousand and six, and I remember saying

988
00:39:41,441 --> 00:39:43,361
Speaker 1: this at Ruber's sALS, what we'll do in You're two

989
00:39:43,361 --> 00:39:45,361
Speaker 1: thousand and four, I said, the next big genre is

990
00:39:45,361 --> 00:39:47,801
Speaker 1: going to be electro. I said this before and I'll

991
00:39:47,801 --> 00:39:50,681
Speaker 1: say it again here. Another year or two you're going

992
00:39:50,681 --> 00:39:53,201
Speaker 1: to start hearing this word electro. Electro is going to

993
00:39:53,241 --> 00:39:55,921
Speaker 1: come back. Okay, So I'll come back to this podcast

994
00:39:55,961 --> 00:39:58,121
Speaker 1: after you placed it, and I've said it today, right, So,

995
00:39:58,721 --> 00:40:00,841
Speaker 1: but I reckon another year or two we'll get electro

996
00:40:00,921 --> 00:40:02,561
Speaker 1: coming back. So, but if you go back to two

997
00:40:02,561 --> 00:40:05,681
Speaker 1: thousand and six, TV rock came out with Floor Yes,

998
00:40:06,081 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: all right, I.

999
00:40:06,881 --> 00:40:09,601
Speaker 3: Was I was the first one to put TV rock

1000
00:40:09,681 --> 00:40:11,481
Speaker 3: and this is this is back when I was a

1001
00:40:11,481 --> 00:40:15,161
Speaker 3: promoter at Milk Lounge. Oh okay, so I went to

1002
00:40:15,401 --> 00:40:17,801
Speaker 3: open that. I got to run that as a promoter,

1003
00:40:18,001 --> 00:40:20,521
Speaker 3: so I used to I I got them to play

1004
00:40:20,561 --> 00:40:22,721
Speaker 3: their first gig in Sydney.

1005
00:40:22,681 --> 00:40:23,441
Speaker 1: At that place.

1006
00:40:23,641 --> 00:40:25,681
Speaker 2: Well, I've worked for him at Envy.

1007
00:40:25,841 --> 00:40:29,121
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, back at everyone was running it. Remember something

1008
00:40:29,161 --> 00:40:31,121
Speaker 1: happened to his knee on the night that I was

1009
00:40:31,161 --> 00:40:33,321
Speaker 1: space to DJ, I've rocked up. There's a copperate the

1010
00:40:33,321 --> 00:40:35,721
Speaker 1: door saying you're not I'm supposed to be doing to said,

1011
00:40:35,761 --> 00:40:38,361
Speaker 1: he goes not tonight or not? And then I heard

1012
00:40:38,361 --> 00:40:39,561
Speaker 1: you in the work I on a phone call Monday,

1013
00:40:39,641 --> 00:40:43,241
Speaker 1: Yeah that happened, and I thought, wow, I've seen a

1014
00:40:43,281 --> 00:40:44,201
Speaker 1: lot of stuff go down.

1015
00:40:44,281 --> 00:40:46,121
Speaker 2: It's like it's you know, you want to talk about it,

1016
00:40:46,161 --> 00:40:46,601
Speaker 2: but you can't.

1017
00:40:46,961 --> 00:40:49,281
Speaker 3: Where's one for you? And you're probably I don't know

1018
00:40:49,321 --> 00:40:51,321
Speaker 3: if you'll name it. What's the worst venue you've ever

1019
00:40:51,361 --> 00:40:55,081
Speaker 3: fucking been at? The worst venue? Worst venue where you

1020
00:40:55,201 --> 00:40:57,561
Speaker 3: just think, fact, this has got no fucking vibe. It's

1021
00:40:57,561 --> 00:41:00,521
Speaker 3: fucking not happening. The crowds fucking terrible and it's not

1022
00:41:00,601 --> 00:41:03,521
Speaker 3: what it's made up to be. I don't think there's

1023
00:41:03,521 --> 00:41:05,281
Speaker 3: such a thing as a bad crowd. I think there's

1024
00:41:05,281 --> 00:41:08,121
Speaker 3: more like just an empty room. I've seen some boy.

1025
00:41:12,441 --> 00:41:14,681
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're you're so you probably would have knocked

1026
00:41:14,721 --> 00:41:16,361
Speaker 1: me back in when I was trying to get into

1027
00:41:16,361 --> 00:41:18,961
Speaker 1: the side. I remember there was someone that knocked me back. Really,

1028
00:41:19,041 --> 00:41:20,401
Speaker 1: What what year were you working?

1029
00:41:20,681 --> 00:41:22,881
Speaker 3: I was so from two thousand to two thousand and two,

1030
00:41:23,041 --> 00:41:24,521
Speaker 3: maybe even gone three.

1031
00:41:24,441 --> 00:41:26,641
Speaker 1: Okay, say two thousand. I reckon I got knocked back

1032
00:41:26,641 --> 00:41:28,041
Speaker 1: two or three times. What was the reason why you

1033
00:41:28,041 --> 00:41:28,401
Speaker 1: got my back?

1034
00:41:28,601 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: Probably because I'm ugly.

1035
00:41:30,401 --> 00:41:33,401
Speaker 1: Nah, we would never knock your back. There wouldn't be

1036
00:41:33,481 --> 00:41:34,801
Speaker 1: ugly if you look like it.

1037
00:41:34,881 --> 00:41:36,841
Speaker 2: You haven't said only I would let you win.

1038
00:41:36,881 --> 00:41:38,841
Speaker 1: I would let you win if you were I think

1039
00:41:39,081 --> 00:41:40,481
Speaker 1: there was a few times I was trying to be

1040
00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:43,521
Speaker 1: uh and and I'll get it. That's the d c

1041
00:41:43,721 --> 00:41:46,521
Speaker 1: M was a selective crowd in ninety seven. I was selecting.

1042
00:41:46,881 --> 00:41:48,401
Speaker 1: You know, hey, if you didn't look the part, you're

1043
00:41:48,441 --> 00:41:50,281
Speaker 1: out of these sort of thing. Yeah, And there was

1044
00:41:50,321 --> 00:41:51,801
Speaker 1: a bit of that still going on in two thousand.

1045
00:41:51,841 --> 00:41:54,161
Speaker 1: But I did get knocked back two or three times,

1046
00:41:54,161 --> 00:41:55,841
Speaker 1: but I didn't get in a more times than a show.

1047
00:41:55,881 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: It wasn't so ho, so you would have got knocked back,

1048
00:41:58,441 --> 00:42:00,281
Speaker 3: why you I was I wasn't so bad because I

1049
00:42:00,321 --> 00:42:00,921
Speaker 3: run the door at.

1050
00:42:00,921 --> 00:42:04,121
Speaker 1: YU Yeah, okay, so yeah, they were very It was

1051
00:42:04,121 --> 00:42:06,481
Speaker 1: definitely host Yeah, and they were a bit selective, and

1052
00:42:06,521 --> 00:42:08,281
Speaker 1: I get it. I didn't fit the parts, like okay,

1053
00:42:08,281 --> 00:42:10,281
Speaker 1: no worries like don't take my money. But you know,

1054
00:42:10,721 --> 00:42:12,161
Speaker 1: there was always something good to go. But I think

1055
00:42:13,521 --> 00:42:15,321
Speaker 1: it was a good club. Do you remember the venue

1056
00:42:15,361 --> 00:42:18,841
Speaker 1: they had on the wharves Was it Periode or something? Warfate?

1057
00:42:19,761 --> 00:42:21,281
Speaker 1: Was that what they called it? Down there at Darling

1058
00:42:21,281 --> 00:42:24,481
Speaker 1: Harbor they used to have the YUZ festivals. Well, I

1059
00:42:24,521 --> 00:42:24,841
Speaker 1: don't know.

1060
00:42:24,961 --> 00:42:25,961
Speaker 3: I think we used to go. It's had a lot

1061
00:42:25,961 --> 00:42:27,481
Speaker 3: of festivals. I went a field day a lot, but

1062
00:42:27,521 --> 00:42:29,641
Speaker 3: that was it. There's anything else. It didn't really fruscinate

1063
00:42:29,681 --> 00:42:30,881
Speaker 3: me that much. There was one of them that they

1064
00:42:30,961 --> 00:42:33,681
Speaker 3: over sold it. It was an eight thousand capacity venue.

1065
00:42:33,721 --> 00:42:36,961
Speaker 3: They saw twelve thousand tickets, and the argument from the

1066
00:42:36,961 --> 00:42:39,561
Speaker 3: promoter was you get people coming and people going, so

1067
00:42:40,481 --> 00:42:42,761
Speaker 3: we've over sold it. To do that, that was a

1068
00:42:42,801 --> 00:42:45,521
Speaker 3: pretty good excuse, to be fair. Whether it's true or not,

1069
00:42:45,561 --> 00:42:46,321
Speaker 3: it's a different story.

1070
00:42:46,361 --> 00:42:49,081
Speaker 1: But the problem was everyone wanted to be there for

1071
00:42:49,121 --> 00:42:52,761
Speaker 1: the fireworks at midnight and then there was just people

1072
00:42:52,801 --> 00:42:55,361
Speaker 1: who bought tickets and that to refund people and stuff.

1073
00:42:55,361 --> 00:42:56,481
Speaker 1: So there was one of those ones there at war

1074
00:42:56,561 --> 00:42:58,041
Speaker 1: Fate there at Darling Harbor. There was a few big

1075
00:42:58,161 --> 00:43:00,681
Speaker 1: names playing on that one. But you say, even that year,

1076
00:43:00,721 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: I remember that all that I'm saying, I remember thinking

1077
00:43:02,441 --> 00:43:04,921
Speaker 1: to myself, this is going to affect the nightclub industry.

1078
00:43:05,121 --> 00:43:07,121
Speaker 1: As a promoter, You're looking at us like, man, these

1079
00:43:07,161 --> 00:43:08,721
Speaker 1: guys are you know, they're paying one hundred bucks a

1080
00:43:08,721 --> 00:43:12,081
Speaker 1: ticket and there's you know, ten thousand people going. You know. Meanwhile,

1081
00:43:12,081 --> 00:43:14,961
Speaker 1: these guys are trying to touch fifty but the fireworks

1082
00:43:14,961 --> 00:43:15,561
Speaker 1: are over there.

1083
00:43:15,681 --> 00:43:17,161
Speaker 2: What would they be here at midnight? You know what

1084
00:43:17,161 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: I mean?

1085
00:43:17,481 --> 00:43:19,681
Speaker 1: So having said that, there was some massive nights at

1086
00:43:19,721 --> 00:43:22,721
Speaker 1: DCM on un Seve. Yeah. Dcms used to have massive nights.

1087
00:43:22,761 --> 00:43:24,401
Speaker 1: They did. Yeah, I must have met that. What about

1088
00:43:24,401 --> 00:43:28,401
Speaker 1: black Market? Black Market? I DJ they're probably three or

1089
00:43:28,441 --> 00:43:31,241
Speaker 1: four times every other time I went there. I loved it,

1090
00:43:31,361 --> 00:43:34,001
Speaker 1: but it was full of characters at that time of

1091
00:43:34,041 --> 00:43:36,401
Speaker 1: the morning, the day, the day clubs. I'd love to

1092
00:43:36,401 --> 00:43:39,481
Speaker 1: bring those day clubs back, though, I don't think. I

1093
00:43:39,481 --> 00:43:41,481
Speaker 1: don't think people know at a party like We used

1094
00:43:41,521 --> 00:43:44,241
Speaker 1: to party at day clubs. I think they start they'd

1095
00:43:44,241 --> 00:43:46,401
Speaker 1: start at midday and they just go out till ten

1096
00:43:46,401 --> 00:43:47,681
Speaker 1: o'clock and then go home and go to work the

1097
00:43:47,721 --> 00:43:49,001
Speaker 1: next d I think that's how they do it now,

1098
00:43:49,201 --> 00:43:51,681
Speaker 1: and that's why Couldgie's so popular at the moment as well.

1099
00:43:51,961 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: Black Market DJ, there are a few times, and they

1100
00:43:55,441 --> 00:43:57,921
Speaker 1: were good. The Thursday nights were the better nights I remember,

1101
00:43:58,521 --> 00:44:00,481
Speaker 1: But I remember I used to go there to watch

1102
00:44:00,521 --> 00:44:04,281
Speaker 1: stev B play. Stevie B was a legend. It was

1103
00:44:04,321 --> 00:44:06,281
Speaker 1: like my idol. At one point, I could never get

1104
00:44:06,321 --> 00:44:08,681
Speaker 1: into Black Market. I went twice and I thought was

1105
00:44:08,801 --> 00:44:11,201
Speaker 1: enough for me. I never went back. You had to

1106
00:44:11,201 --> 00:44:13,721
Speaker 1: really appreciate the music, and I was. I was more

1107
00:44:13,841 --> 00:44:15,281
Speaker 1: or less looking at the decks and watch what these

1108
00:44:15,321 --> 00:44:17,121
Speaker 1: guys were doing. Because I was a big fan of TVB,

1109
00:44:17,721 --> 00:44:19,801
Speaker 1: you know Captain Kirk. We ended up making music together

1110
00:44:20,321 --> 00:44:22,361
Speaker 1: later on. I became good mates with all these guys,

1111
00:44:22,401 --> 00:44:25,041
Speaker 1: you know, like Chris Creator as well. But yeah, they

1112
00:44:25,201 --> 00:44:27,361
Speaker 1: looked the music there when I was making my music.

1113
00:44:27,361 --> 00:44:28,801
Speaker 1: But then I locked it a little bit harder than

1114
00:44:29,441 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: what the normal level of energy was, which is why

1115
00:44:32,081 --> 00:44:33,801
Speaker 1: probably my music was a bit more popular in the

1116
00:44:33,881 --> 00:44:37,321
Speaker 1: UK than it was in Sydney. And what ended up happening,

1117
00:44:38,121 --> 00:44:39,721
Speaker 1: like you know, you hear and play your songs like

1118
00:44:39,721 --> 00:44:41,361
Speaker 1: you know, it was pretty good, so that's why I

1119
00:44:41,441 --> 00:44:44,201
Speaker 1: was sort of going there. But I just remember not

1120
00:44:44,241 --> 00:44:46,681
Speaker 1: too many times that I get booked for that one, unfortunately,

1121
00:44:46,761 --> 00:44:53,561
Speaker 1: But I do remember getting an SMS on one particular

1122
00:44:53,681 --> 00:44:56,201
Speaker 1: day saying not to go to the day club. There

1123
00:44:56,241 --> 00:44:58,721
Speaker 1: was a message going around on the SUN on the

1124
00:44:58,721 --> 00:45:01,841
Speaker 1: Saturday night Sunday, don't go to Black Market, like for

1125
00:45:01,881 --> 00:45:04,521
Speaker 1: your information, there's going to be something bad gay down

1126
00:45:04,681 --> 00:45:07,561
Speaker 1: and you know guns are involved or something like something

1127
00:45:07,561 --> 00:45:12,281
Speaker 1: to that effect. And yeah, it happened, and we didn't go,

1128
00:45:12,321 --> 00:45:13,721
Speaker 1: and we saw it on the news the next night,

1129
00:45:14,401 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of that is really sort

1130
00:45:16,441 --> 00:45:19,161
Speaker 1: of ruined that club, but it did set a set

1131
00:45:19,201 --> 00:45:21,961
Speaker 1: a spot in that in that energy scene, you know,

1132
00:45:22,001 --> 00:45:25,321
Speaker 1: for a while there prior to closing. But good club,

1133
00:45:25,361 --> 00:45:27,201
Speaker 1: but it was a darker venue.

1134
00:45:27,361 --> 00:45:29,521
Speaker 2: It was a really dark venue, not.

1135
00:45:29,401 --> 00:45:31,721
Speaker 1: Just because the walls were black, but it was a

1136
00:45:31,841 --> 00:45:34,521
Speaker 1: dark crowd, dark vibes and if you like that seedy

1137
00:45:34,561 --> 00:45:37,121
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. At nine o'clock on a Sunday morning,

1138
00:45:37,841 --> 00:45:39,881
Speaker 1: I got a bit. I love the music. The music

1139
00:45:39,961 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: was driving in there as well.

1140
00:45:41,681 --> 00:45:43,281
Speaker 3: I tried going out, even off my head, and I

1141
00:45:43,321 --> 00:45:45,201
Speaker 3: still didn't like it.

1142
00:45:46,161 --> 00:45:49,601
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Asian guys with mohawks, like massive high

1143
00:45:49,641 --> 00:45:51,761
Speaker 1: mohawks in there with the one time I went. It

1144
00:45:51,801 --> 00:45:53,401
Speaker 1: was a crazy crowd and I was a bit more

1145
00:45:53,441 --> 00:45:55,401
Speaker 1: of a I guess, a normal guy. But yeah, and

1146
00:45:55,401 --> 00:45:57,601
Speaker 1: I never really got into the drugs. I was too scared.

1147
00:45:57,961 --> 00:46:00,241
Speaker 1: I was too scared to take drugs because I heard stuff,

1148
00:46:00,281 --> 00:46:02,601
Speaker 1: and I guess that's that's why I sort of stayed

1149
00:46:02,601 --> 00:46:04,041
Speaker 1: away from I just used to drink a lot, you know.

1150
00:46:04,161 --> 00:46:06,641
Speaker 1: So one of the reasons why I never took drugs.

1151
00:46:07,601 --> 00:46:09,641
Speaker 1: Coming into ninety five ninety six, there was a girl

1152
00:46:09,681 --> 00:46:11,761
Speaker 1: and a wood. There was a big famous case and

1153
00:46:12,161 --> 00:46:14,561
Speaker 1: she'd take an ecstasy at some party. She had died

1154
00:46:14,601 --> 00:46:16,041
Speaker 1: of an over there still lose this whole big thing

1155
00:46:16,041 --> 00:46:18,681
Speaker 1: on the news, on the media, drugs are bad.

1156
00:46:18,721 --> 00:46:20,001
Speaker 2: They were trying to kill all the rave scene.

1157
00:46:20,001 --> 00:46:22,561
Speaker 1: The rave scene was going crazy, and it seemed legit

1158
00:46:22,641 --> 00:46:25,641
Speaker 1: to me that you know, that happened as we got

1159
00:46:25,641 --> 00:46:27,921
Speaker 1: a bit older. I remember being we're going to go

1160
00:46:28,001 --> 00:46:30,241
Speaker 1: to Envy or bib Loss. One night and I'm with

1161
00:46:30,281 --> 00:46:32,321
Speaker 1: a group of guys and one of them pulls out

1162
00:46:33,041 --> 00:46:35,921
Speaker 1: a bag, right, and at all these pills in it,

1163
00:46:35,961 --> 00:46:39,201
Speaker 1: they're like with a yellow with Yeah, that's all I

1164
00:46:39,241 --> 00:46:41,161
Speaker 1: was going to say, Right, so this is the thing

1165
00:46:41,681 --> 00:46:44,601
Speaker 1: because I'm a bit of an entrepreneur, as you as

1166
00:46:44,641 --> 00:46:46,881
Speaker 1: old mate over he said, I'm a bit of an entrepreneur,

1167
00:46:47,201 --> 00:46:49,881
Speaker 1: I kind of. I'm not a successful entrepreneur, just unemployed.

1168
00:46:51,361 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: So I saw the Mitsubishi symbol and I not even

1169
00:46:53,481 --> 00:46:55,961
Speaker 1: know what Mitsubishes were. I heard everyone talking about at

1170
00:46:56,001 --> 00:46:57,641
Speaker 1: work and stuff. They'll talk about mitsa bishes and I

1171
00:46:57,681 --> 00:46:59,001
Speaker 1: didn't really pay too much attention.

1172
00:46:59,441 --> 00:47:01,361
Speaker 2: I'm going, what are they? Like, you know, what's going on?

1173
00:47:01,401 --> 00:47:02,321
Speaker 2: Like he had like.

1174
00:47:02,281 --> 00:47:05,241
Speaker 1: Twenty of them or something on it, right, and it

1175
00:47:05,361 --> 00:47:08,081
Speaker 1: was fascinating to me, right, like are you going to

1176
00:47:08,161 --> 00:47:11,161
Speaker 1: take all of them? Like what was the situation? And

1177
00:47:11,201 --> 00:47:13,041
Speaker 1: they go no, And I go all right, say hang on,

1178
00:47:13,481 --> 00:47:15,641
Speaker 1: how much do you pay for him? And he's telling

1179
00:47:15,681 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: me fifty bucks or whatever? So where does it come from?

1180
00:47:19,441 --> 00:47:22,121
Speaker 1: Like who makes this out? As you know, we're like

1181
00:47:22,361 --> 00:47:24,761
Speaker 1: you go to death, that's why that's why to put

1182
00:47:24,801 --> 00:47:27,041
Speaker 1: you off. Well, I'm looking at I'm going like, yeah,

1183
00:47:27,081 --> 00:47:29,081
Speaker 1: I've heard that one girl to one pill, and like

1184
00:47:29,481 --> 00:47:31,721
Speaker 1: and then how are these people selling that many to

1185
00:47:31,801 --> 00:47:33,721
Speaker 1: one bloke? And you might share one or two of

1186
00:47:33,721 --> 00:47:35,321
Speaker 1: them with your bas I don't know. I'm going, you're

1187
00:47:35,321 --> 00:47:38,881
Speaker 1: fucking mad. You're off your head, like literally off your head, right.

1188
00:47:39,201 --> 00:47:41,281
Speaker 1: And then he said to me, goes, they're making them

1189
00:47:41,281 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: out west. I go where he goes, like in bathtubs, right,

1190
00:47:46,481 --> 00:47:48,401
Speaker 1: And I went, and you're buying it and you're going

1191
00:47:48,441 --> 00:47:51,001
Speaker 1: to put it again your nuts, right. These guys would

1192
00:47:51,001 --> 00:47:53,281
Speaker 1: probably now be anti vaxxes and that, but they would

1193
00:47:53,281 --> 00:47:55,201
Speaker 1: have no hesitation in that stuff.

1194
00:47:56,001 --> 00:47:57,161
Speaker 2: And I just said, you're mad.

1195
00:47:57,201 --> 00:47:59,081
Speaker 1: And then anyway, I was talking to a guy at

1196
00:47:59,081 --> 00:48:00,881
Speaker 1: work who's kind of into that whole scene. It was

1197
00:48:00,881 --> 00:48:03,521
Speaker 1: a bit of a character as well, and he said,

1198
00:48:03,521 --> 00:48:04,801
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, he goes that, and I was telling

1199
00:48:04,881 --> 00:48:06,681
Speaker 1: him like, yeah, man, he had you know, that many

1200
00:48:06,681 --> 00:48:08,361
Speaker 1: pills on him whatever. Yeah, they had the miss A

1201
00:48:08,361 --> 00:48:10,921
Speaker 1: Bishi logo on it like it's it looked weird, it

1202
00:48:10,921 --> 00:48:13,201
Speaker 1: look like legit like you know. And he goes, yeah,

1203
00:48:13,241 --> 00:48:14,961
Speaker 1: he goes, they're making him out west in bath tubs

1204
00:48:15,321 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: and he goes, they're putting crushed glass inside them. Yeah,

1205
00:48:17,961 --> 00:48:21,361
Speaker 1: I had that too, and here's the thing, and I thought,

1206
00:48:22,041 --> 00:48:23,721
Speaker 1: what would they do that for, becaus it sounds stupid.

1207
00:48:23,721 --> 00:48:25,681
Speaker 1: He goes, because it tears the lining of your stomach

1208
00:48:25,681 --> 00:48:28,281
Speaker 1: and you absorb it like it absorbs in your body quicker.

1209
00:48:28,961 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: And I sort of didn't really believe that at the time,

1210
00:48:31,961 --> 00:48:34,761
Speaker 1: but years later there was at our work a drug

1211
00:48:34,801 --> 00:48:37,161
Speaker 1: guy came in and he told me that it's legitimate

1212
00:48:37,241 --> 00:48:40,081
Speaker 1: because that's how it gets quicker, and then when it

1213
00:48:40,121 --> 00:48:42,561
Speaker 1: wears off, they buy more and stuff sort of. So

1214
00:48:43,481 --> 00:48:45,601
Speaker 1: that was just enough to scare me straight off the bat,

1215
00:48:45,681 --> 00:48:47,361
Speaker 1: like to even put it in my mouth.

1216
00:48:47,401 --> 00:48:48,681
Speaker 2: So that was one time.

1217
00:48:48,721 --> 00:48:51,641
Speaker 1: There was another time had a mate. He was a

1218
00:48:51,641 --> 00:48:52,841
Speaker 1: bit of a lazy guy. I didn't want to have

1219
00:48:52,841 --> 00:48:55,761
Speaker 1: a job, and you know, come out, it's time to

1220
00:48:55,761 --> 00:48:57,281
Speaker 1: start working, mate. You know, you got bills to pee.

1221
00:48:57,281 --> 00:49:00,761
Speaker 1: You can't scap off your parents forever. And we're going out.

1222
00:49:01,321 --> 00:49:03,281
Speaker 1: So we've gone to I was a very named sort

1223
00:49:03,281 --> 00:49:06,681
Speaker 1: of club. First he goes like, let's stop pass, I've

1224
00:49:06,681 --> 00:49:08,881
Speaker 1: got to pick up something off of mate, So drop

1225
00:49:09,001 --> 00:49:11,321
Speaker 1: him off. Gets to the car and he pulls out

1226
00:49:11,321 --> 00:49:13,841
Speaker 1: a bag and there's fifty pills in it. And I said, mate,

1227
00:49:13,841 --> 00:49:15,241
Speaker 1: get that fucking thing out of my car. I'm not

1228
00:49:15,241 --> 00:49:16,881
Speaker 1: going to get a rest for you. Like, what are

1229
00:49:16,881 --> 00:49:19,041
Speaker 1: you doing? And where'd you get the money to buy it?

1230
00:49:19,521 --> 00:49:21,241
Speaker 1: He goes, no, no, no, he's given it to me. I'm

1231
00:49:21,241 --> 00:49:24,321
Speaker 1: going to sell them. He's got our tick. So I

1232
00:49:24,361 --> 00:49:27,321
Speaker 1: don't know how all this stuff works right, And I'm going, listen,

1233
00:49:27,681 --> 00:49:31,401
Speaker 1: you're not hard enough to be a dealer, Like, just

1234
00:49:31,401 --> 00:49:32,841
Speaker 1: just go and give him back to him and just

1235
00:49:33,001 --> 00:49:35,201
Speaker 1: write it off, mate, like you're gonna end up in trouble.

1236
00:49:35,241 --> 00:49:37,801
Speaker 1: And I was saying it genuinely. I was genuinely concerned

1237
00:49:38,841 --> 00:49:40,281
Speaker 1: this and that he's going to do it. I said, well,

1238
00:49:40,281 --> 00:49:42,361
Speaker 1: you're not walking in with me. So I walked in

1239
00:49:42,401 --> 00:49:44,601
Speaker 1: to do my set. So he's hanging off you like

1240
00:49:44,601 --> 00:49:47,241
Speaker 1: what you're doing your set? Yeah, he's walking around. I said,

1241
00:49:47,241 --> 00:49:48,601
Speaker 1: you're not walking in with me. So he's walked in

1242
00:49:48,641 --> 00:49:50,761
Speaker 1: like half an hour add and I'm something I see

1243
00:49:50,761 --> 00:49:52,681
Speaker 1: you walk past because I don't want to be involved.

1244
00:49:52,681 --> 00:49:54,801
Speaker 1: It's got nothing to do with me. And we're arguing

1245
00:49:54,841 --> 00:49:56,561
Speaker 1: all the way there. And I'll tell you what. He's

1246
00:49:56,601 --> 00:50:00,161
Speaker 1: moving them. He's moving them. He's blake this, blake this Blake,

1247
00:50:00,521 --> 00:50:03,201
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, he must have made it, you know,

1248
00:50:03,281 --> 00:50:06,001
Speaker 1: at least a grand by now. Right. Anyway, I'm thinking

1249
00:50:06,441 --> 00:50:09,161
Speaker 1: he's he's going to and I thought to myself, he's

1250
00:50:09,161 --> 00:50:10,881
Speaker 1: going to get himself in trouble. He's not the sort

1251
00:50:10,921 --> 00:50:13,041
Speaker 1: of bloke that could do this successfully as his own

1252
00:50:13,081 --> 00:50:15,961
Speaker 1: sort of sight hustle or business. So anyway, he disappears

1253
00:50:15,961 --> 00:50:17,801
Speaker 1: for a bit and he comes up to me and

1254
00:50:17,801 --> 00:50:19,241
Speaker 1: he's got this look on his face and he's like

1255
00:50:19,361 --> 00:50:25,041
Speaker 1: this and okay, what happened? And he goes, I got bustard, okay,

1256
00:50:25,161 --> 00:50:28,521
Speaker 1: bought the cops. Goes no, by the owner and when

1257
00:50:28,521 --> 00:50:31,401
Speaker 1: you're joking, get the fuck out of you go you

1258
00:50:31,441 --> 00:50:32,721
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get me sacked.

1259
00:50:33,161 --> 00:50:35,521
Speaker 2: And he goes no, he goes, I went down there.

1260
00:50:35,921 --> 00:50:37,961
Speaker 1: This guy that we both knew came up and said, hey,

1261
00:50:37,961 --> 00:50:39,041
Speaker 1: have you got any pills?

1262
00:50:39,041 --> 00:50:40,401
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah it guys come around here.

1263
00:50:40,561 --> 00:50:42,881
Speaker 1: Took him straight to the nightclub owner, right, he goes.

1264
00:50:43,081 --> 00:50:43,961
Speaker 2: This guy's selling.

1265
00:50:43,761 --> 00:50:50,041
Speaker 1: Drugs in un right, and then he's come to me, goes,

1266
00:50:50,321 --> 00:50:51,961
Speaker 1: I've got no money like your ma a lift time.

1267
00:50:52,161 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: So he took everything toward it and I just said mate,

1268
00:50:55,001 --> 00:50:56,761
Speaker 1: and I never hung out with him again, and that

1269
00:50:56,921 --> 00:51:00,561
Speaker 1: was and he just disappeared because he got threatened. Basically,

1270
00:51:00,961 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: we used to do that all the time. We should

1271
00:51:02,561 --> 00:51:03,201
Speaker 1: do it all the time.

1272
00:51:03,401 --> 00:51:05,601
Speaker 3: You throw it out the back now, dcs we say

1273
00:51:05,681 --> 00:51:07,601
Speaker 3: we used to find the dealers and fucking yeah, take

1274
00:51:07,601 --> 00:51:09,721
Speaker 3: overyth and go confiscate them all.

1275
00:51:09,961 --> 00:51:12,841
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was one of the things where

1276
00:51:12,841 --> 00:51:15,161
Speaker 1: I sort of realized that side of the scene isn't

1277
00:51:15,201 --> 00:51:15,401
Speaker 1: for me.

1278
00:51:15,641 --> 00:51:17,161
Speaker 3: I don't get me wrong, I could have gone through

1279
00:51:17,161 --> 00:51:21,201
Speaker 3: it them years of partying. But the thing is, I

1280
00:51:21,241 --> 00:51:24,561
Speaker 3: think I partied so well taking the pills, but when

1281
00:51:24,561 --> 00:51:27,081
Speaker 3: I did, and I don't regret it because it was

1282
00:51:27,121 --> 00:51:29,521
Speaker 3: an experience. But the thing is, back in that era,

1283
00:51:29,761 --> 00:51:31,361
Speaker 3: I was coming over from the UK and it was

1284
00:51:31,361 --> 00:51:34,121
Speaker 3: massive in the UK. I mean, you couldn't go out

1285
00:51:34,121 --> 00:51:35,561
Speaker 3: in UK without having a fucking pill.

1286
00:51:35,681 --> 00:51:37,401
Speaker 1: That was the other thing when I heard my mates

1287
00:51:37,441 --> 00:51:39,961
Speaker 1: sort of when i'd seen Take one or two, they

1288
00:51:40,001 --> 00:51:42,801
Speaker 1: couldn't go out again. Yeah, And I never wanted to

1289
00:51:42,801 --> 00:51:46,161
Speaker 1: lose that love for the music. And I saw them say, oh,

1290
00:51:46,201 --> 00:51:48,041
Speaker 1: I can't be I gotta find onne like they needed

1291
00:51:48,121 --> 00:51:49,241
Speaker 1: they needed that to enjoy the music.

1292
00:51:49,521 --> 00:51:50,601
Speaker 2: Sorry, but yeah, but.

1293
00:51:50,601 --> 00:51:52,001
Speaker 3: That's how that's how I got with me, you know

1294
00:51:52,001 --> 00:51:54,721
Speaker 3: what I mean, because I went to I came from

1295
00:51:54,761 --> 00:51:56,761
Speaker 3: the UK, and that's what all my mates did back then,

1296
00:51:57,121 --> 00:51:59,201
Speaker 3: and you come over here, they're weren't as strong as

1297
00:51:59,241 --> 00:52:01,121
Speaker 3: the UK. Then you get on the fucking coke and

1298
00:52:01,121 --> 00:52:04,201
Speaker 3: it's not as strong as the UK, but you get addicted.

1299
00:52:03,721 --> 00:52:04,961
Speaker 1: To go and partying.

1300
00:52:05,281 --> 00:52:07,601
Speaker 3: And I must admit, even though people might say, oh,

1301
00:52:07,641 --> 00:52:10,001
Speaker 3: you took pills and coke, but the thing is.

1302
00:52:10,001 --> 00:52:12,481
Speaker 1: I didn't drink as much they need to do. I

1303
00:52:12,601 --> 00:52:14,641
Speaker 1: drink a lot. I'd be spending four five hundred dollars

1304
00:52:14,641 --> 00:52:16,921
Speaker 1: on the bar. They'd offered me free drinks, and I'd

1305
00:52:16,961 --> 00:52:19,921
Speaker 1: say that's embarrassing. I'd rather pay for it, like a

1306
00:52:19,921 --> 00:52:22,081
Speaker 1: lot of the time. And basically the only time I'd

1307
00:52:22,081 --> 00:52:24,441
Speaker 1: take a free drink is if it was non alcoholic,

1308
00:52:24,521 --> 00:52:26,241
Speaker 1: like a soft drink if I was driving, because I'd

1309
00:52:26,241 --> 00:52:28,521
Speaker 1: never drink and drive, but I would drink more. So

1310
00:52:28,761 --> 00:52:30,841
Speaker 1: that's the other the flip. So that's why I could.

1311
00:52:30,961 --> 00:52:32,641
Speaker 1: And I wasn't just the you gott to enjoy yourself

1312
00:52:32,681 --> 00:52:34,281
Speaker 1: a bit. But I did like a drink one hundred percent.

1313
00:52:34,521 --> 00:52:37,041
Speaker 1: And I don't drink anything now so things like you

1314
00:52:37,041 --> 00:52:37,761
Speaker 1: though I was weary.

1315
00:52:37,881 --> 00:52:40,481
Speaker 3: I was always anti drugs, was very anti drugs til

1316
00:52:40,481 --> 00:52:43,041
Speaker 3: I got to eighteen nineteen.

1317
00:52:43,441 --> 00:52:44,441
Speaker 2: I was very anti drugs.

1318
00:52:44,561 --> 00:52:46,321
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then all of a sudden you just meet

1319
00:52:46,361 --> 00:52:49,281
Speaker 1: that one person you go out with and when you say,

1320
00:52:49,281 --> 00:52:51,721
Speaker 1: it's actually when I see my best mate. Actually, because

1321
00:52:51,721 --> 00:52:53,761
Speaker 1: I went back to the UK, and that's what stopped

1322
00:52:53,801 --> 00:52:56,041
Speaker 1: me my best mate for the like since I was

1323
00:52:56,081 --> 00:52:58,961
Speaker 1: five years old. We went out for drinking in ukn

1324
00:52:59,161 --> 00:53:01,161
Speaker 1: because it's fucking you know, you're pumped up your back

1325
00:53:01,201 --> 00:53:03,321
Speaker 1: and seeing all your mates again. And he pulled out

1326
00:53:03,321 --> 00:53:05,641
Speaker 1: pills in a bag of coke and it's like, what's

1327
00:53:05,641 --> 00:53:08,281
Speaker 1: going on? And then he goes, yeah, like let's do this, Neil.

1328
00:53:08,801 --> 00:53:11,441
Speaker 1: You think, well, if he's doing it, I can do it. Yeah,

1329
00:53:11,561 --> 00:53:13,681
Speaker 1: And you don't think anything like touch you. I've never

1330
00:53:13,721 --> 00:53:16,041
Speaker 1: had anything and I don't do it anymore. But like never,

1331
00:53:16,201 --> 00:53:17,681
Speaker 1: nothing ever happened to me, you know what I mean?

1332
00:53:17,801 --> 00:53:19,121
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing.

1333
00:53:19,161 --> 00:53:22,361
Speaker 1: It's always what if you say, like I said, the

1334
00:53:22,641 --> 00:53:25,801
Speaker 1: crushed glass in them was enough to scare me. That

1335
00:53:25,881 --> 00:53:28,001
Speaker 1: girl dying and it wood was a big story that

1336
00:53:28,041 --> 00:53:29,601
Speaker 1: was enough to sort of scare me. I got told

1337
00:53:29,601 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: you a mixing it with fucking bleach and fucking.

1338
00:53:31,721 --> 00:53:32,241
Speaker 2: That's what I heard.

1339
00:53:32,641 --> 00:53:34,761
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the people that were kind of making it's like,

1340
00:53:34,961 --> 00:53:37,281
Speaker 1: why would you trust these people and just put it

1341
00:53:37,281 --> 00:53:40,321
Speaker 1: like you know, and then look, it.

1342
00:53:40,321 --> 00:53:41,121
Speaker 2: Was all around me.

1343
00:53:41,241 --> 00:53:44,601
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, And I think that there was

1344
00:53:44,641 --> 00:53:46,001
Speaker 1: a lot of bad stuff going on, Like you know,

1345
00:53:46,121 --> 00:53:48,401
Speaker 1: I saw some after effects of people in other venues

1346
00:53:48,441 --> 00:53:50,001
Speaker 1: and that they're out on the street that it had

1347
00:53:50,041 --> 00:53:53,321
Speaker 1: something that didn't wash off well with them, and you've

1348
00:53:53,361 --> 00:53:55,641
Speaker 1: got to be really careful with that stuff. And I'd

1349
00:53:55,681 --> 00:53:57,801
Speaker 1: sort of say, yeah, best off not to do it.

1350
00:53:58,041 --> 00:54:01,281
Speaker 3: You know, if you could go back in time for

1351
00:54:01,401 --> 00:54:05,361
Speaker 3: one more fucking number, what would you Where did you

1352
00:54:05,361 --> 00:54:06,441
Speaker 3: go and what era.

1353
00:54:06,281 --> 00:54:07,961
Speaker 1: Would you do it? What year would you do it?

1354
00:54:09,121 --> 00:54:14,281
Speaker 1: I'd go back to probably nineteen ninety seven DCM when

1355
00:54:14,321 --> 00:54:16,601
Speaker 1: it was still the number in the top ten clubs

1356
00:54:16,601 --> 00:54:19,481
Speaker 1: in the world, because it was ninety eight where that

1357
00:54:19,601 --> 00:54:22,481
Speaker 1: donk sort of came in that started. It was probably

1358
00:54:22,481 --> 00:54:24,281
Speaker 1: around in ninety seven, but we didn't hear it here

1359
00:54:24,721 --> 00:54:27,121
Speaker 1: and that's where the music. That's another thing that shaped

1360
00:54:27,161 --> 00:54:29,201
Speaker 1: them used That ninety six to ninety seven era shaped

1361
00:54:29,441 --> 00:54:32,281
Speaker 1: the energy sound of Sydney in a big way because

1362
00:54:32,361 --> 00:54:34,641
Speaker 1: we'll get music from everywhere. So we're in Australia, there's

1363
00:54:34,641 --> 00:54:40,241
Speaker 1: no internet whatever, but you're getting it from Netherlands, Germany, Spain, Italy, UK.

1364
00:54:40,841 --> 00:54:43,681
Speaker 1: Then it forges the same little sort of it's say,

1365
00:54:43,761 --> 00:54:46,441
Speaker 1: little sort of thing. And that's why so i'd probably

1366
00:54:46,441 --> 00:54:48,041
Speaker 1: go back to that ninety seven era because that's what

1367
00:54:48,041 --> 00:54:50,761
Speaker 1: to find the music for me and DCM. The DJ's

1368
00:54:50,801 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: in there, say, before I started making music, that would

1369
00:54:53,481 --> 00:54:55,681
Speaker 1: definitely be the place that i'd go. And I wouldn't

1370
00:54:55,721 --> 00:54:57,401
Speaker 1: touch the decks. I wouldn't want touch the decks. I

1371
00:54:57,441 --> 00:54:59,961
Speaker 1: just want to enjoy it from a crowd's perspective. That's

1372
00:55:00,001 --> 00:55:02,961
Speaker 1: another thing too, right, I don't like playing there when

1373
00:55:03,041 --> 00:55:05,841
Speaker 1: everyone's there looking at me. In a nightclub, it's like

1374
00:55:06,321 --> 00:55:08,961
Speaker 1: guys dance with each other like this is your night, right,

1375
00:55:09,361 --> 00:55:12,241
Speaker 1: that's a big thing. But that's what I just wanted

1376
00:55:12,241 --> 00:55:14,441
Speaker 1: to watch the DJ. No, No, it wasn't like that

1377
00:55:14,481 --> 00:55:16,801
Speaker 1: when I was going there, before I started DJing there,

1378
00:55:16,881 --> 00:55:19,921
Speaker 1: they were all dancing amongst each other and just enjoying themselves.

1379
00:55:19,921 --> 00:55:22,361
Speaker 1: And that's what I loved. You guys enjoy sols. I'm

1380
00:55:22,441 --> 00:55:23,081
Speaker 1: enjoying myself.

1381
00:55:23,161 --> 00:55:23,441
Speaker 2: Let's go.

1382
00:55:23,841 --> 00:55:26,081
Speaker 1: But when they're all sitting there sort of like I

1383
00:55:26,161 --> 00:55:28,041
Speaker 1: call it, like it's a false idol thing. Maybe it's

1384
00:55:28,041 --> 00:55:31,081
Speaker 1: my religious my Catholic belief or whatever, but hey, man,

1385
00:55:31,201 --> 00:55:34,441
Speaker 1: just enjoy each other, you know. Like, and I'm not

1386
00:55:34,441 --> 00:55:36,841
Speaker 1: going to say that I hate it, but it's like comfortable.

1387
00:55:37,161 --> 00:55:39,721
Speaker 1: I prefer it more when they're just amongst each other dancing.

1388
00:55:39,761 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: That's what it's all about, you know, Like just.

1389
00:55:41,481 --> 00:55:44,521
Speaker 3: See, I don't remember that every venue I've done, it's

1390
00:55:44,641 --> 00:55:45,881
Speaker 3: let's just watch the fucking DJ.

1391
00:55:46,041 --> 00:55:48,641
Speaker 1: And I used to think, see it must be off putting,

1392
00:55:48,681 --> 00:55:50,921
Speaker 1: like just staring at some I don't think I'm better

1393
00:55:50,921 --> 00:55:53,081
Speaker 1: than anybody else in the place, Like honestly don't. I

1394
00:55:53,201 --> 00:55:55,281
Speaker 1: Just are you enjoying the music? Because I am, you know.

1395
00:55:55,321 --> 00:55:57,241
Speaker 3: But the thing is, it's not that you're better than

1396
00:55:57,281 --> 00:56:00,121
Speaker 3: any it's the fact of what you're making them feel

1397
00:56:00,161 --> 00:56:01,241
Speaker 3: like while you're playing there.

1398
00:56:01,761 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: I can respect the fact that they're respecting what I'm doing.

1399
00:56:05,161 --> 00:56:07,081
Speaker 1: But man, it's like I just prefer a room where

1400
00:56:07,081 --> 00:56:09,161
Speaker 1: everyone's just dancing with each other. That's just always been

1401
00:56:09,201 --> 00:56:11,521
Speaker 1: my case, and it's like the only place you're going

1402
00:56:11,521 --> 00:56:14,121
Speaker 1: to get that was the fucking old retro. No, we're

1403
00:56:14,161 --> 00:56:16,081
Speaker 1: getting it all the other clubs are doing that. There

1404
00:56:16,121 --> 00:56:18,521
Speaker 1: wasn't anything that once, not even when it was it

1405
00:56:18,601 --> 00:56:19,601
Speaker 1: so who make one?

1406
00:56:19,681 --> 00:56:22,041
Speaker 3: But it was always watched the fucking DJ pee week

1407
00:56:22,121 --> 00:56:24,001
Speaker 3: faris let's watch him, you know what I mean?

1408
00:56:24,081 --> 00:56:26,921
Speaker 1: Like it's just like no one ever just looked at

1409
00:56:26,961 --> 00:56:29,321
Speaker 1: that side of you. It was all where's the DJ? Yeah,

1410
00:56:29,321 --> 00:56:30,961
Speaker 1: and we're just standing in front of them hopefully you

1411
00:56:31,041 --> 00:56:32,081
Speaker 1: look at me, you know what I mean.

1412
00:56:32,441 --> 00:56:32,801
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1413
00:56:32,841 --> 00:56:34,921
Speaker 1: It's just not my thing. A what's your biggest regret?

1414
00:56:35,801 --> 00:56:39,441
Speaker 1: Biggest regret? Yeah, not enjoying the time while it was happening,

1415
00:56:39,641 --> 00:56:41,641
Speaker 1: not enjoying it as much and thinking of what there

1416
00:56:41,641 --> 00:56:43,361
Speaker 1: was a stage there where I had a massive ego,

1417
00:56:43,641 --> 00:56:46,001
Speaker 1: but a massive ego to work with other DJs to

1418
00:56:46,441 --> 00:56:49,241
Speaker 1: bring everyone up. But at the same time, Hey, I'm

1419
00:56:49,321 --> 00:56:52,321
Speaker 1: Dave Olson, I'm a DJ, I'm releasing music. These guys

1420
00:56:52,361 --> 00:56:54,321
Speaker 1: are buying my vinyls in the UK. I had that

1421
00:56:54,361 --> 00:56:56,921
Speaker 1: bit of an ego. I regret that a bit, but yeah,

1422
00:56:56,961 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: and not enjoying it while it was happening, not sort

1423
00:56:59,001 --> 00:57:02,641
Speaker 1: of absorbing it enough and sort of is there anything

1424
00:57:02,641 --> 00:57:04,401
Speaker 1: you wish you could have you should have done, but

1425
00:57:04,441 --> 00:57:05,681
Speaker 1: you can't step back.

1426
00:57:06,001 --> 00:57:07,681
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to the UK.

1427
00:57:08,401 --> 00:57:11,201
Speaker 1: I really I got you probably know the guy and

1428
00:57:11,281 --> 00:57:15,161
Speaker 1: Drew Farrell, Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, So first of all,

1429
00:57:15,721 --> 00:57:17,841
Speaker 1: I don't regret when he asked me in two thousand

1430
00:57:17,881 --> 00:57:19,681
Speaker 1: and seven and two thousand and nine. I don't regret

1431
00:57:19,681 --> 00:57:21,761
Speaker 1: those two times because my wife was seven babies at

1432
00:57:21,801 --> 00:57:24,041
Speaker 1: the same time, so he did ask me twice. But

1433
00:57:24,081 --> 00:57:26,561
Speaker 1: prior to that, when the energy seene had died off,

1434
00:57:26,641 --> 00:57:28,721
Speaker 1: Alex went over there and killed it.

1435
00:57:29,201 --> 00:57:30,521
Speaker 2: That was like two thousand and four or whatever.

1436
00:57:31,041 --> 00:57:33,281
Speaker 1: I wish I would have gone over it like before that,

1437
00:57:33,441 --> 00:57:35,121
Speaker 1: but I had no idea how big the scene was.

1438
00:57:35,321 --> 00:57:37,361
Speaker 1: We didn't have the internet to see what was going on,

1439
00:57:37,881 --> 00:57:40,561
Speaker 1: so basically just traveling to the UK and just seeing

1440
00:57:40,561 --> 00:57:43,081
Speaker 1: what was going on and maybe trying to build something

1441
00:57:43,121 --> 00:57:45,161
Speaker 1: bigger there. But having said that, I ended up getting married,

1442
00:57:45,201 --> 00:57:48,281
Speaker 1: having kids and awesome family. Can't ask for anything more

1443
00:57:48,281 --> 00:57:49,721
Speaker 1: than that. But in the nightclub Seen, it would have

1444
00:57:49,721 --> 00:57:53,721
Speaker 1: been nice just to play once in the UK, just once,

1445
00:57:53,801 --> 00:57:56,561
Speaker 1: and Andy asked me the first time, booked the date.

1446
00:57:56,801 --> 00:57:58,081
Speaker 2: Look, my missus just had a baby.

1447
00:57:58,081 --> 00:58:01,161
Speaker 1: Can't go two thousand and nine, he's asked again, and

1448
00:58:01,361 --> 00:58:03,761
Speaker 1: my daughter was being born. I was like, anyway, so

1449
00:58:03,761 --> 00:58:06,161
Speaker 1: all these years go past. He asked me again in

1450
00:58:06,161 --> 00:58:09,521
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, could you want to come over next year?

1451
00:58:09,801 --> 00:58:13,401
Speaker 1: Would you have another kid? What happened in twenty nineteen

1452
00:58:13,721 --> 00:58:18,161
Speaker 1: He booked, He transferred the money and he goes, what

1453
00:58:18,241 --> 00:58:20,281
Speaker 1: date do you want? He picked the date and it

1454
00:58:20,361 --> 00:58:22,041
Speaker 1: was the day where Croatia was playing England for a

1455
00:58:22,081 --> 00:58:26,041
Speaker 1: euro qualifier or something that was. I can't remember it was,

1456
00:58:26,041 --> 00:58:27,761
Speaker 1: but basically it was a three hour train ride. And

1457
00:58:27,761 --> 00:58:29,281
Speaker 1: I thought, well, if I DJ and I'll go and

1458
00:58:29,321 --> 00:58:32,601
Speaker 1: watch the game, like this is a mad holiday, and

1459
00:58:32,881 --> 00:58:36,361
Speaker 1: we'll do it and say he's transferred. You know, this

1460
00:58:36,441 --> 00:58:38,721
Speaker 1: is like my first international booking. I thought this is

1461
00:58:38,721 --> 00:58:39,801
Speaker 1: going to be also, and he was going to be

1462
00:58:39,841 --> 00:58:43,641
Speaker 1: like an old school sort of night. And a day later,

1463
00:58:43,681 --> 00:58:45,641
Speaker 1: two days later, I get a guy asking me to

1464
00:58:45,641 --> 00:58:48,881
Speaker 1: go DJ for his fortieth birthday in Croatia. On there's

1465
00:58:48,881 --> 00:58:52,041
Speaker 1: an island called it's called Hvar. We call it fart

1466
00:58:52,081 --> 00:58:55,561
Speaker 1: in Croatian. Right, It's like a pretty it's a party island. Yeah,

1467
00:58:55,921 --> 00:58:58,121
Speaker 1: and he's going to have Nadi RL performing And I

1468
00:58:58,161 --> 00:59:00,081
Speaker 1: was going to go there, and we start talking about

1469
00:59:00,081 --> 00:59:01,761
Speaker 1: this and I said, well, what date is it?

1470
00:59:01,801 --> 00:59:04,121
Speaker 2: And it was the week after? How good is this?

1471
00:59:04,361 --> 00:59:06,481
Speaker 1: Right? So now it's got to the point where we're

1472
00:59:06,481 --> 00:59:07,881
Speaker 1: going to make enough money I could take the family

1473
00:59:07,881 --> 00:59:11,121
Speaker 1: for a holiday and start planning everything. And then all

1474
00:59:11,161 --> 00:59:13,161
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, you're hearing about this this

1475
00:59:13,361 --> 00:59:16,521
Speaker 1: COVID and these bats and it's getting pretty serious. And

1476
00:59:16,561 --> 00:59:19,041
Speaker 1: then and I rang, I remembering my brother, and I

1477
00:59:19,081 --> 00:59:21,001
Speaker 1: told him iad listen. I go, I've scored this gig

1478
00:59:21,081 --> 00:59:23,041
Speaker 1: and going to be playing the UK and then I'm

1479
00:59:23,041 --> 00:59:25,041
Speaker 1: going to go watch the England play Croatia. And my

1480
00:59:25,081 --> 00:59:29,081
Speaker 1: brother says, I'm going to that too. Wait really, I go, sweet,

1481
00:59:29,081 --> 00:59:31,881
Speaker 1: we'll meet up like end of coincidence. I guess what.

1482
00:59:32,321 --> 00:59:35,201
Speaker 1: The week after, I'm going to go to Croatia on

1483
00:59:35,321 --> 00:59:37,761
Speaker 1: FAD and I'm going to be DJN there for this

1484
00:59:37,801 --> 00:59:40,641
Speaker 1: guy's fortieth And he goes, I'm going to be there too,

1485
00:59:40,761 --> 00:59:43,321
Speaker 1: on the same island. And I've said to my wife,

1486
00:59:43,841 --> 00:59:46,681
Speaker 1: this is not a coincidence, Okay, this is something bad

1487
00:59:46,761 --> 00:59:49,081
Speaker 1: is going to happen, Like this is not really it's not.

1488
00:59:49,001 --> 00:59:49,721
Speaker 2: Really a good aim.

1489
00:59:49,761 --> 00:59:52,521
Speaker 1: And and anyway, and then I think it was like

1490
00:59:52,561 --> 00:59:54,521
Speaker 1: the next day after that, I heard that the NBA

1491
00:59:54,881 --> 00:59:57,281
Speaker 1: shut down, and then that was it. The whole world

1492
00:59:57,321 --> 00:59:59,361
Speaker 1: just went. But anyway, that's what happened to me.

1493
00:59:59,441 --> 00:59:59,921
Speaker 2: So that was the end.

1494
01:00:00,001 --> 01:00:02,281
Speaker 1: That was a third chance. But all times from dy

1495
01:00:02,761 --> 01:00:04,881
Speaker 1: Pharaoh say, if you know him, tell him, I'm still keen.

1496
01:00:07,441 --> 01:00:09,241
Speaker 1: I've messaged him a couple of times there, you know,

1497
01:00:09,321 --> 01:00:12,641
Speaker 1: but I think it's still get he's not even replying.

1498
01:00:12,681 --> 01:00:15,241
Speaker 1: He's too he's too good. But he like, so, how

1499
01:00:15,281 --> 01:00:17,281
Speaker 1: do you know Andy, I've known for ages man.

1500
01:00:17,681 --> 01:00:18,801
Speaker 2: Yeah, a big promoter.

1501
01:00:19,201 --> 01:00:22,681
Speaker 1: You know, he gets all the big acts.

1502
01:00:22,121 --> 01:00:24,921
Speaker 2: He's the first guy the book Alex k Yeah.

1503
01:00:24,761 --> 01:00:27,361
Speaker 3: Because because when my dad had, you know, CLUBO five one,

1504
01:00:27,401 --> 01:00:29,521
Speaker 3: which was a rival to the to the club with

1505
01:00:29,681 --> 01:00:32,481
Speaker 3: fucking where Alex was like, I used to be there

1506
01:00:32,521 --> 01:00:35,241
Speaker 3: and see everybody and get to know everybody, and so yeah,

1507
01:00:35,281 --> 01:00:36,961
Speaker 3: my dad had for fucking seven years.

1508
01:00:37,121 --> 01:00:37,601
Speaker 2: They're doing No.

1509
01:00:37,721 --> 01:00:39,681
Speaker 1: Five to one and you know what, So there's a

1510
01:00:39,721 --> 01:00:43,161
Speaker 1: guy I've been talking with the guys from five to one. Yeah. Okay,

1511
01:00:43,441 --> 01:00:49,961
Speaker 1: so someone's messaged me Paul, oh h O, don't okay.

1512
01:00:50,041 --> 01:00:51,361
Speaker 1: I think he's got something to do. He's one of

1513
01:00:51,361 --> 01:00:53,801
Speaker 1: the promoters there and I was talking. I said, look,

1514
01:00:53,841 --> 01:00:55,481
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to happen, but I've been

1515
01:00:55,521 --> 01:00:57,521
Speaker 1: sort of put the like I'd like to just.

1516
01:00:57,441 --> 01:00:57,841
Speaker 2: Do it once.

1517
01:00:57,881 --> 01:00:59,801
Speaker 1: Well, Butler's got that place now, That's what I'm saying.

1518
01:00:59,921 --> 01:01:01,201
Speaker 1: I think I think they're doing it together.

1519
01:01:01,321 --> 01:01:03,601
Speaker 3: So because he reopened that place in the state, so

1520
01:01:03,681 --> 01:01:06,041
Speaker 3: he owns Yeah, he keeps talking about Yeah, he got

1521
01:01:06,641 --> 01:01:09,361
Speaker 3: a refurbished team and they'd been closed down for over

1522
01:01:09,401 --> 01:01:10,561
Speaker 3: fucking five or six years.

1523
01:01:10,841 --> 01:01:13,601
Speaker 1: They've done it all up and fucking yet it's reopened again.

1524
01:01:13,761 --> 01:01:13,921
Speaker 2: Lee.

1525
01:01:14,001 --> 01:01:16,921
Speaker 1: Butler, like he pressed one of my finals as well

1526
01:01:17,481 --> 01:01:20,161
Speaker 1: when they had a label called b C D and

1527
01:01:20,201 --> 01:01:21,841
Speaker 1: they released some songs for me. But he used to

1528
01:01:21,881 --> 01:01:23,481
Speaker 1: play my tracks back in the day as well. Well.

1529
01:01:23,481 --> 01:01:24,881
Speaker 3: I tried to get him out of you so when

1530
01:01:24,921 --> 01:01:26,721
Speaker 3: I was at d CMS, Yeah, I tried to get

1531
01:01:26,761 --> 01:01:28,401
Speaker 3: him out to play at DCMS, but he just couldn't

1532
01:01:28,401 --> 01:01:30,121
Speaker 3: do it because he was going from UK to I

1533
01:01:30,201 --> 01:01:31,801
Speaker 3: Beefer at the time and I Beef it was building

1534
01:01:31,881 --> 01:01:35,361
Speaker 3: up at the time, so he was working at Garlands too,

1535
01:01:35,961 --> 01:01:38,641
Speaker 3: and Garlands had just started at I be Fair, they

1536
01:01:38,721 --> 01:01:40,561
Speaker 3: just opened up a nightclub and a boat at I

1537
01:01:40,681 --> 01:01:41,801
Speaker 3: be fair and he was doing that.

1538
01:01:42,121 --> 01:01:45,601
Speaker 1: Wow. Interesting, man, I'd love to I'd love to meet

1539
01:01:45,641 --> 01:01:47,001
Speaker 1: those guys. There's another guy, Rob Kne.

1540
01:01:47,041 --> 01:01:47,721
Speaker 2: You know Rob Kane.

1541
01:01:47,801 --> 01:01:50,161
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. Rob Kines are pretty solid DJ

1542
01:01:50,281 --> 01:01:55,281
Speaker 1: as well, I mean out there he probably they've Lee Baller,

1543
01:01:55,801 --> 01:01:57,921
Speaker 1: Lee Butler talk about Dave Graham. He's one of that

1544
01:01:57,921 --> 01:01:58,441
Speaker 1: that weld together.

1545
01:01:58,641 --> 01:02:00,121
Speaker 3: They were together, there were a duo, and then they

1546
01:02:00,201 --> 01:02:02,041
Speaker 3: separated them with their different ways to do different things.

1547
01:02:02,081 --> 01:02:04,881
Speaker 1: But I think they're still like, mate, what would you

1548
01:02:04,921 --> 01:02:09,601
Speaker 1: would you? Would you say? Okay, describe yourself in what world? Talkative?

1549
01:02:12,281 --> 01:02:14,921
Speaker 1: I don't stop. I don't you know what people told me.

1550
01:02:14,921 --> 01:02:17,361
Speaker 1: I'll talk a lot. I get it, I'm aware of it,

1551
01:02:18,201 --> 01:02:19,561
Speaker 1: and I just can't stop sometimes.

1552
01:02:19,561 --> 01:02:21,761
Speaker 2: I don't know why. It must be the Croatian in me.

1553
01:02:21,921 --> 01:02:25,201
Speaker 1: So well. I want to say thank you for coming on, bro,

1554
01:02:25,321 --> 01:02:28,161
Speaker 1: because I've loved this one. This is being so relaxing

1555
01:02:28,641 --> 01:02:30,761
Speaker 1: and it's been a laugh and it's been in down

1556
01:02:30,801 --> 01:02:33,841
Speaker 1: memory lane. I fucking loved it. I think, don't what

1557
01:02:33,881 --> 01:02:35,321
Speaker 1: I'm going to do though, when I promote you.

1558
01:02:35,361 --> 01:02:40,921
Speaker 2: I'm going to promote your croation today. Please don't keep

1559
01:02:40,921 --> 01:02:41,641
Speaker 2: that one undercover.

1560
01:02:41,881 --> 01:02:44,481
Speaker 1: I think yeah, Otherwise none will.

1561
01:02:44,401 --> 01:02:46,121
Speaker 2: Listen to it. If you don't want anyone to listen

1562
01:02:46,161 --> 01:02:48,161
Speaker 2: to or watch them, Yeah, use my real name.

1563
01:02:48,561 --> 01:02:50,281
Speaker 1: I think Dave Oston is more marketable.