1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:01,599 Speaker 1: I get a team. 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 2: It's Harps, it's Gilasper's, it's cook, it's us, it's the 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: bloody you project TIFFs just over there at typ Central, 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: drinking her own body weight in protein shaken. She gave 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: David and Either brief That wouldn't have been a very 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: pleasant experience for any of us if we didn't let 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: her consume some calories before we press the go button. 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: You do have you do have a very short like 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: there's a very short timeline between when you go, oh, 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: I think, I'm I'm hungry and now I'm a complete 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: fucking lunatic and I want to punch someone. 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: That's not a big gap. 13 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 2: Is it. 14 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: When I worked in hospitality all those years ago, we 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 3: used to put an order into the kitchen for food, 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 3: and then when we went on break, someone would come 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: and cover us. If my food came out, was placed 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: in front of me, and a customer walked in, I 19 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: can't tell you the level of self control and emotional 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: turmoil it took me to just keep that in and 21 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: small and serve the people that were standing between me 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 3: and my lunch items. 23 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: It seems like the spiritual revolution that was had in 24 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: India is long gone. I don't want to point out, 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: but it just seems like that might be a thing 26 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: of the past. 27 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: As long as I've a bit of food in my belly, 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 3: I'm good. 29 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: So I don't think you can have like caveats on 30 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: your spell. It's long as except when I'm punching people 31 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: in the face. Then I'm pretty much the deli lama. 32 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: Oh well, oh well, are you a big eater? 33 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 4: Gillspoh not particularly, No, just normally I think I don't 34 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 4: think I have Chiff's appetite, and I certainly don't have. 35 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 4: So you've met my son James. He spends more time 36 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 4: in the gym than I suspect you do, so he 37 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 4: like like there's no tomorrow. But I certainly don't eat 38 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 4: that much. 39 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: My days of eating what I just want to eat 40 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: whenever I want to eat their long gone pity. 41 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: They were good times, but it didn't work. How well. 42 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: The Moniker Jumbo All through school I gave it a 43 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: good crack, though I could have eaten for Australia. At 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 2: one stage I was world class, world class glutton. Speaking 45 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: of all things food, let's talk about sugar, and let's 46 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: talk about whether or not sugar might be responsible for 47 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: ADHD in kids. Where did that, Where did that research 48 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: come from, or where did this idea come from? 49 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 4: Oh? Look, it's been around for a long time, probably 50 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 4: since the seventies. Really, there were a few early studies 51 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: in the seventies that suggested that if you gave kids sugar, 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 4: they'd start climbing the walls and bouncing off the ceiling 53 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 4: fans and things like that, and that sort of caught 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: on because it matches what a lot of parents will 55 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: tell you. I mean, most friends will say, oh, yeah, 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 4: you can't. You can't give little Tristan, you know, a 57 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 4: can of full strength coke or you're you know, you'll 58 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: be cleaning up the place for the next month, you know. 59 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 4: And and that's certainly how most people perceive it. They say, right, sugar, 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 4: give kids sugar. There they suddenly become hyper And so 61 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: it wasn't too far to draw the bow from there 62 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 4: and say, okay, well then, since hyperactivity and ADHD pretty 63 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 4: much mean the same thing to a lot of people, 64 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 4: obviously sugar causes ADHD. So that it's been around for 65 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 4: a while, it's based more on myth than science, and 66 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 4: when they eventually did get around to doing the science 67 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 4: on this, and you can imagine it's not a high priority. 68 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: You know, you're trying to kill cancer, and you know 69 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff. Finding out whether or not 70 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: sugar makes kids crazy when everyone already knows the answer 71 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 4: is not a high priority for funding. But when they 72 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: actually eventually did do the science, they found a couple 73 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: of things. Is that when they did placebo controlled trials 74 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: where you know, they were feeding kids things that were 75 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 4: sugar free, as you know, given sweetness and so on, 76 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 4: rather than sugar, and cross matching those against kids who 77 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: were being given sugar, there was no discernible difference in 78 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 4: their behavior. The interesting thing was that if you told 79 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: the parents of either group that their child their group 80 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 4: was the one consuming the sugar, they would immediately spot 81 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 4: the signs of hyperactivity if they thought their child had 82 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 4: been given sugar. So we're entirely suggestible. And the kids 83 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 4: themselves too, if you told them that they were given sugar, 84 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: they would often act more hyperactive than if they weren't. 85 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 4: So it was really more about saying, okay, people believe this. 86 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 4: They deeply believe this, parents included, and they believe it 87 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 4: to the extent that if you do studies on this 88 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 4: and tell people the wrong piece of information, they believe 89 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 4: it anyway and start seeing what they believe. So I 90 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 4: guess it's more of a commentary on a sort of 91 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 4: a placebo effect than anything else. 92 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: That's so interesting because it is it's like I was 93 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: going to say, it's like plus ebo ADHD you know, 94 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: And we've we've spoken before about plus ebos and no 95 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: cibos And we had a I don't know if I've 96 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: ever told you this, we had a dude on called 97 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: Professor Jeffrey Reddicker from Harvard Medical School. 98 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: Who's a a. 99 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: Like a PhD research and plus a doctor, plus a psychiatrist. 100 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, he talks about you know this stuff a lot. 101 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: Obviously talks from a healer. Well not obviously because I 102 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: haven't told you this, but he talks generally from a 103 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: healing and a health point of view. 104 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: But it is pretty amazing. 105 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: What manifests based on what we think think is happening 106 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: rather than what is actually happening. 107 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: Well, we're designed. Evolution has designed us to recognize patterns. 108 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 4: Patterns keep us alive. Spotting a pattern in a series 109 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 4: of unrelated events is how we predict the behavior of 110 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 4: other humans, and the behavior of animals and danger all around, 111 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 4: and so we are optimized for pattern recognition, and often 112 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 4: we can be convinced that a pattern exists where there 113 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 4: is no pattern. So, you know, the classic example of 114 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 4: you know, you might spot you might notice that ice 115 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 4: cream sales go up at exactly the same rate and 116 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 4: at the same time as shark attacks, and you'll say, obviously, 117 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 4: obviously ice cream causes shark attacks or shark attack calls 118 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 4: ice cream consumption. Clearly that's not the case, and that's 119 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: one of the classic examples given for correlation does an 120 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 4: equal causation. But what often can be the case is 121 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 4: that something else is causing both, so you know, and 122 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 4: in that case, it might be that when the temperature 123 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: goes up, people buy more ice cream and people swim more, 124 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 4: so there's more shark attacks and more ice cream consumption. 125 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: But obviously the shark attacks are not causing the ice 126 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: cream consumption, and vice versa. But we' spot those patterns 127 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: and we start to attribute, meaning, I mean, this is 128 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 4: all you studied this for years, Greig, I mean, this 129 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 4: is what psychology is. It's spotting patterns and making up 130 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: bs stories about them. 131 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: You can it's okay, no, no, I can't. 132 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: I don't want to offend Tiff. You know, she's easily offendedive, so. 133 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: Speaking offensive. 134 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: I had a lady who's been following me for ten 135 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: years who sent me a message the other day, totally 136 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: within her rights and full respect for me, and she said, 137 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: you used the sea the sea word. And apparently I 138 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: was on the pod with two ladies, so Tiff must 139 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 2: have been one of them, and she said, I can't 140 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: follow you anymore. Okay, okay, that's not the first time. 141 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: You must to me the other episodes, but it is. 142 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: Here's an interesting factory about that word. So I spent 143 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: I lived in Germany for a while as an exchangion, 144 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 4: and there's a word. The word for that in German 145 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 4: is so rarely used that most women don't know it. 146 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 4: So if you were to use it, you wouldn't offend 147 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 4: most of the women around because they wouldn't know what 148 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 4: you're talking about. So it's that extreme a rarity to 149 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 4: use that word. 150 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: Well, and I think also, and I'm not I'm not 151 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: saying it's okay everyone, and I'm not justifying, and I 152 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: don't use it very often, but it's like when I 153 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: say that word, I'm not talking about anyone's anatomy. It's 154 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: just I'm talking about something else, you know. But it's like, well, 155 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: I get it, I get it anyway. 156 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 4: Well, it's like the word moist. 157 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: You probably that's way more offensive. 158 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: What is that? 159 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: It's funny that word because there's a show called eight 160 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: out of Ten Cats does count down? 161 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that show? 162 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 4: Yes? 163 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: And so the. 164 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: Lady who is the forget what's her actual proper title, 165 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 2: but anyway, she does all the words. 166 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: She's a wordsmith. 167 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 4: She's the dictionary lady. 168 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, the dictionary lady. 169 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: She she cannot cope with that word. 170 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 4: A lot of people can't cope with that word. What's 171 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 4: the trigger for you get into it? 172 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: No? 173 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 4: All right, I just looking at TIFF's face, I get 174 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: the feeling she doesn't want to talk about it. 175 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: Well, well without saying anything inappropriate. Is it just that 176 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: it what to me? It doesn't do any It's like 177 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: it could be a cake, a moist cake. 178 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: I see. But I think it's even just the sound 179 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: of the word is like the I don't know, I 180 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: don't know, I don't know, but stop it. 181 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: Well, but it rhymes with hoist and joist and like 182 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: it's not if I say I'm going to hoist a 183 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: bag over my shoulder, you're not cringing. But if I 184 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 2: say I'm going to hoist a moist bag, I. 185 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 4: Know what is that? 186 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: Why it does that? But it's just. 187 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 4: There's probably some BS psychological explanation for it. 188 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: Just like there is. 189 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: I was talking, as I told you, I know we've 190 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: gone off track, but fuck it is there a track. 191 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: Let's be honest. 192 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 4: We will get back to this because this has an 193 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 4: interesting ending, but we will get back to it, all right, Yeah, 194 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 4: go on going. 195 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: I was doing a talk today, as I told you before, 196 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: I won't say the organization, big organization, and that A 197 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: lady was asking me some questions about, you know, just 198 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: some psych. 199 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: Stuff and I went look and it used you sprung 200 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: to mind. 201 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: Halfway through a corporate presentation, I thought to you, and 202 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: I went to be honest, psychology is one of the 203 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: one of the crappier sciences. 204 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: You know, It's not it's exactly it's not an exact. 205 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 4: Science in the sense that astrology is a science. Yeah, 206 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: come on, come on, all. 207 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Right, So what. 208 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: Does sugar cause ADHD? It appears not, so what is 209 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: the insight to come out of this article. 210 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: Well, it appears that it actually does, but not in 211 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:19,479 Speaker 4: the way that people think it does. So the reality 212 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 4: is that if you give a genuinely ADHD person sugar, 213 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 4: it's likely to calm them down, not make them more excited. 214 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 4: So remembering what ADHD actually is, it's a state of 215 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 4: the brain, a chemical state of the brain which is 216 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 4: created by addiction or stress or both where you become 217 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 4: dopamine tolerant. And what that means is that you need 218 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 4: more dopamine to get the same result as a normal person. 219 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 4: And so if someone is ADHD, it means that most 220 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 4: of the time they do not have an enough dopamine 221 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 4: to properly focus because their brain has become dopamine tolerance, 222 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 4: so they need more of it than the average person. 223 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 4: So most of the time they don't have enough. So 224 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: the solution to that is ADHD drugs, which are stimulants 225 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 4: in much the same way that cocaine is a stimulant 226 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 4: or nicotine is a stimulant. You give that to a 227 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: person with ADHD, it gives them a spike of dopamine. 228 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 4: It allows them to focus in that suddenly they have 229 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 4: enough dopamine to hit that threshold. The rest of us 230 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 4: have all the time, and then they can focus. And 231 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 4: people with ADHD tell you that when they take those drugs, 232 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: it allows them to feel normal. Suddenly their brain isn't 233 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 4: going all over the place at a million miles an hour. 234 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 4: They can just focus on the things they need to 235 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 4: focus on and get stuff done. And when they first 236 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: accidentally notice that this is the way those drugs worked, 237 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 4: they believed it to be a miracle because they gave 238 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 4: it to kids who were ADHD because they were from 239 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 4: an extremely stressful environment. But he ridden during the depression 240 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 4: in the United States, and kids that couldn't focus and 241 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 4: were a complete disaster in the classroom suddenly could get 242 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 4: a lot done and did really, really well. So that's 243 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 4: what the drugs do. But it's also what any addictive 244 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 4: substance does. And sugar is an addictive substance that produces 245 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 4: a dopamine spike. So giving a person who has ADHD 246 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 4: something like sugar should actually help them focus more than 247 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 4: if you didn't give it to them. So paradoxically, in 248 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 4: the immediate thing giving them sugar actually helps them. The 249 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 4: paradox there is that the thing that causes them to 250 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: not be able to focus in the first place is 251 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 4: getting too much stimulation, and so what you're actually doing 252 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 4: is building in a long term hardening of that so 253 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 4: that the person is actually worse when it comes to 254 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: the long term state of their brain in that that 255 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 4: extra hit of dopamine stimulation makes them more dopamine tolerant 256 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 4: for the next time, so it becomes harder and harder 257 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 4: and harder for them to feel normal from a hit 258 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 4: of dopamine. So they've observed this in the drugs for 259 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 4: a long time, which is that you can't just give 260 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 4: people ADHD medication for the rest of their lives. Eventually 261 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: they become get to the point where they're tolerant of it, 262 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 4: and the same thing would happen here. So what that 263 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: means coming back to that does sugar give you ADHD 264 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 4: story is yes, it does, but not immediately. Doesn't make 265 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 4: a kid act hyperactively, which is why when the studies 266 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 4: were done properly, there was no real obvious difference between 267 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 4: the kids given the sugar and the ones not except 268 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 4: when you told the parents that they'd been given sugar. 269 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 4: So that's why you don't see it acutely in those studies, 270 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: which is all they ever studied. But if look at 271 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 4: the mechanics of it, the reality is that someone on 272 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: a diet, a high sugar diet, is more likely to 273 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 4: have ADHD than someone who isn't, simply because they're continuously 274 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 4: receiving stimulation from the sugar. 275 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: So I know you're this is none of this is advice, anyone. 276 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: None of this is medical advice. This is just two 277 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: blokes and tiff chatting periodically. So when somebody is put 278 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: on meds for ADHD and they build a tolerance, what 279 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: typically happens. Do they just up the dose? Do they 280 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: take them off it for a while, do they change 281 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: the medication? 282 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 4: Initially? They initially they up the dose and then eventually 283 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 4: they stop giving it to them. So it's and this 284 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 4: is the same with many stimula and not don't just 285 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: forget about ADHD, but any anything where a person is 286 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 4: being give a stimulating drug. So for example, a method 287 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 4: owned programs where people are being given a stimulant to 288 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 4: try and bring them off something like heroin. Eventually they 289 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: become tolerant of it and it loses its effectiveness. And 290 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 4: that's because the mechanism of addiction is that tolerance is 291 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 4: the more you the more hits you get. The more 292 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 4: you want, the more tolerant you become. 293 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. 294 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: I have a story to telling them to be careful 295 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: how I tell, But I think I created an addict, 296 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: not even being funny. So I've shared on this show 297 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: that every now and then, probably once a month, I 298 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: will have a a nicorette. A two milligram nicorette tastes 299 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: exactly like chewing gum. Right, and a friend of mine, 300 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: we were talking about it and I told them, you know, 301 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 2: and They're like, I'm going to give it a go. 302 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, well I go unless you I go. 303 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: Not recommending Anyway, they did it, and they rang me 304 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: to dude. He's like, oh my god, how good is this. 305 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: He goes, I've got so like, I'm so focused, blah 306 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: blah blah. Again everyone not a recommendation. And then I 307 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: saw him about three weeks ago and he goes, I 308 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: need to stop using nicorette now. I have maybe one 309 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: two milligram a month, not even that now, and it 310 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: just kind of it's like a new tropick. It just 311 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: kind of cranks up my brain a bit. It's like 312 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: having a strong coffee. Maybe he's having ten a day, 313 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: ten a day. Yeah, he's like, if I take one, 314 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 2: it doesn't do anything. I've got to take two or 315 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 2: three at a time. And he does that three or 316 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: four times a day. 317 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 4: That and that is exactly the tolerance that we're talking about. 318 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, you've got to stop. You've got to stop. 319 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, what, Like, I never told him to it, 320 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: even when he said I'm going to give it a go, 321 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: I said, I wouldn't recommend it. I don't introduce something 322 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: you don't need. And anyway, Yeah, I feel bad. But yeah, 323 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: he's like, he used to take one and it was amazing, 324 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: and now two or three just begins to do something. 325 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: But then he's got to depending on his day, he's 326 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: got to light up again. 327 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 328 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 4: Yeah. So that's a beautiful example of what we've been 329 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 4: talking about, which is the brain adjusts to that, to 330 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 4: that addictive substance infusion, which is a nicotine. It's the 331 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 4: addictive part of cigarettes, and the brain adjusts to that 332 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 4: by moving up a marker in the brain called delta 333 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 4: foss B that says how much don't mean you need 334 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 4: to get an effect. So your one a month is 335 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 4: not having any effect at all because it takes you know, it. Sure, 336 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 4: it bumps it up, but then decays down again by 337 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 4: the time you know you have another one. But if 338 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 4: you're having one a day and then that turns into 339 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 4: two a day, or three a day, or four day 340 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 4: or ten a day, then what you're doing is pushing 341 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 4: that up higher and higher and higher and higher to 342 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 4: the point where you are an addict, and stopping doing 343 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 4: it is going to be extremely difficult because the cravings 344 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 4: will be very intense. You probably don't experience serious cravings 345 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 4: for your nicorette because it sounds more like it's gotten 346 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 4: into the realm of habit rather than by a chemical craving. 347 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 4: So you just think, oh, I wouldn't mind this because 348 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: I'll feel better, And as long as it stays at 349 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: that low level, it probably isn't having any real effect 350 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 4: on the addictive mechanism. And it's the same thing goes 351 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 4: here with sugar. So if we're looking at sugar's say 352 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 4: the only sugar you know little Tristan God was once 353 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 4: a year at his birthday party, then it's probably having 354 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 4: no serious effect on him. But if the load he's 355 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 4: getting at the birthday party is just twice as much 356 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 4: as he gets every other day, of the year, which 357 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 4: is very likely in Australia today because the average Australian 358 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 4: is consuming about forty tea spoons of sugar a day. 359 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 4: And you know, as I said to you before, most 360 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 4: people when I say that say, well, you know TIFFs 361 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 4: have in mind because I'm not, you know, consuming forty 362 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 4: tea spoons of sugar. No way, I don't even add 363 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 4: sugar to my tea. But the reality is, have a 364 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 4: bowl of nutri grain in the morning and a glass 365 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 4: of orange juice. You're at twenty teaspoons before you push 366 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 4: back from breakfast, let alone go anywhere near a Mars 367 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 4: burro or a coke. Yes, so if a kid is 368 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 4: consuming forty teaspoons of sugar a day, then they are 369 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 4: definitely on a pathway that would rewire their brain for addiction. 370 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 2: I think when you save forty teaspoons, I think people 371 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: they they don't understand how much sugar is in how 372 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: many foods that you would not think had a lot 373 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: of sugar, right, And so we're not talking about teaspoons 374 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: of sugar, well the equivalent, but yeah, this is not 375 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: necessarily added sugar. 376 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: This is just high sugar foods. 377 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: That and what is interesting about this, and we've spoken 378 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: about the lack of credibility and value of these ticks, 379 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: these Foundation ticks that gets some kind of fucking nutritional 380 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 2: seal of approval from some pretend organization that gets paid. 381 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: Is that, like a lot of those you know, recommended 382 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: and endorsed products are super high and sugar also. 383 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I mean there was for a very long 384 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 4: time there, I mean a tip don't remember this because 385 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: it happened, you know, more than a decade ago when 386 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 4: she was a little girl, But Craig, you might remember it, 387 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 4: maybe just you might remember. The Heart Foundation used to 388 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 4: give ticks to McDonald's. 389 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 390 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 4: So McDonald's was proudly displaying its Heart Foundation tick menu, 391 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 4: and many of the things on that tick menu had 392 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 4: really shockingly high levels of sugar in them. And when 393 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: I asked the Heart Foundation how that could possibly be 394 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 4: the case, the answer I got back was that sugar 395 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: was not part of what they measured as part of 396 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 4: their tick program. So the product could in fact be 397 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 4: a bag of sugar. And because it had no other 398 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 4: particularly fat, which was a thing they're so concerned with him, 399 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 4: Because it had no fat in it, it deserved a 400 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 4: Heart Foundation tick. Now I don't think any manufacturer everywhere ever, 401 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 4: went to the point of getting a Heart Foundation tick 402 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 4: on a bag of marshmallows. But they could have, because 403 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 4: if you looked at the criteria they were using, sugar 404 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 4: didn't matter, and there's very little else in a bag 405 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 4: of marshmallows, so you could have got the tick. 406 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: So ridiculous that there's not even in an organization like 407 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: the Heart Foundation, you go, surely there's one employee that 408 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: is at least smart enough to go, hey, fellas or 409 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: ladies or whatever it is, has anyone thought this through? 410 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 4: But it wasn't obvious. So that's the interesting thing you 411 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 4: had to ask. There was nowhere anywhere where they were 412 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 4: publishing how they calculated whether or not a food received 413 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 4: a tick. And the only reason I asked is I 414 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 4: noticed that foods that just were mind blowing in him 415 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 4: out of sugar. Like there was one food sold at 416 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 4: the time called roll ups or something so like a 417 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 4: compressed strip of fruit that you're supposed to put in 418 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 4: your kids lunch box and a little snack for them, 419 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: and it's all fruits, so it must be good. Was 420 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 4: seventy eight percent sugar had a Heart Foundation tick? So 421 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 4: mum in the supermarket. I was looking at it and say, oh, 422 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 4: what'll I give you a little jeremy for school lunch? 423 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 2: Oh? 424 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 4: This thing here, it's all fruit and it's got a 425 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 4: heart foundation. Tick must be okay. But you couldn't have 426 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 4: given him that much sugar, even if you'd given him 427 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 4: a diet of pure Mars bars. 428 00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: I love. 429 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: I remember now that they're just diabetes in a wrapper 430 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: and rotten teeth. I remember one of my clients one 431 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: hundred years ago used to her go to was dried 432 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: apricots and nuts, and I'm like, who, And so I 433 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: got her in my office and I looked up. I said, anyway, 434 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: the bottom line is one hundred grams of this is memory, 435 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 2: So I think it's, if not exact, very close. One 436 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: hundred grams of fresh apricot forty calories, one hundred grams 437 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: of dried apricot two hundred and forty calories, so six 438 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: times the calories. And I would think six times give 439 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: or take the sugar, because all it's been taken. 440 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: Out is the water, so you just got left sugar. 441 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, you look at those, you know, the little 442 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 4: little boxes of sultanas that they give kids at school. 443 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 4: So if you were to expand them back to their 444 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 4: original grapiness, it's about half a kilo of grapes. Yes, Now, 445 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 4: no kid is going to be able to sit down, 446 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 4: you know, and knock over half a kilo of grapes 447 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 4: and then eat their little lunch. But those sultanas absolutely, 448 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 4: and so it's a really really fast way to give 449 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 4: a kid a lot of sugar. 450 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: And you know the other thing about sultanas that I 451 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: remember reading, I don't know if it's still the same 452 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 2: tip you could check, but on the side of a box, 453 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: the rest the ingredients said grapes and vegetable oil. They're 454 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: soaked in oil. 455 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 4: I'm right. 456 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 1: So we're putting sugar in oil. 457 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 4: Yep, sugar in seed oil, which is a whole level 458 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 4: of danger. So even if it wasn't for the sugar, 459 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 4: you wouldn't want to eat it. 460 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: And it's like, not only is this shit terrible for you, 461 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 2: people actually think it's a great choice. It's like, I'm 462 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 2: a responsible parent, I'm giving my kids sultanas for lunch. 463 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 4: But why do they think that? Because the Heart Foundation's 464 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 4: got to tick on the thing. 465 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, it's like I just think one 466 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: of the simplest things that mums and dads can do. 467 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 2: And I'm not not hating on anyone or judging, but 468 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: just learn how to read food labels, like learn how 469 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: to understand like the ingredients. If the number one ingredient 470 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 2: is sugar, then that's what most of it's made of. 471 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: Like it goes in order of volume from first thing 472 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 2: to last thing on the list. And you know, read 473 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 2: the tiny box on the back with the breakdown of 474 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: per hundred grams sodium and sugar and protein and all 475 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: the other stuff, because you can save yourself. 476 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: A lot of heartache. But remember on the front, it's 477 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: it's not information. The front is an ad. It's not information. 478 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: It's just trying to get you to buy whatever it 479 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: is they're trying to sell. 480 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, you see that a lot with olive 481 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 4: oil products. So you'll particularly saying margarines. You'll see the 482 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 4: product described as olive oil margarine or something like that 483 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 4: on the the front of the thing. You turn it 484 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 4: over and read the label, you'll see whilst there is 485 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 4: some olive oil in there for flavoring purposes, you know, 486 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 4: most of the fat in that comes from something like 487 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 4: sunflower oil or canola oil. Yeah, just like every other Margarine. 488 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: We spoke on this show once a year ago. I 489 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: took a photo and I posted it. I was trying 490 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: to get an on your recommendation. I thank you very much. 491 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: I actually got real mayo made with eggs, and that's 492 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: probably precipitated that. 493 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: But I was at the supermarket. 494 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: I was trying to find mayo that's actually mayo, not 495 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: made out of vegetable oil or seed oil with that 496 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: or bullshit. Yeah no, I didn't. You told me. You 497 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 2: told me what to get. And what's amazing is normal 498 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: mas like four or five bucks a jar. The real 499 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 2: shit's like twenty and I gladly pay the twenty, right, 500 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, and it said whole egg mayonnaise. 501 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, hidy up. And then I looked it's ninety. 502 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: Seven percent not egg, that's right, not egg, Like ninety 503 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: seven percent of what's in this jar is not egg. 504 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 2: And when you look at the front, there's a picture 505 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: of an egg and it's got whole egg mayonnaise. So 506 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: you think, oh, the whole thing's made of egg. 507 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 4: No, well, it probably shouldn't be called mayonnaise anyway, because mayonnaise, 508 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 4: you know, is based on an actual traditional recipe which 509 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 4: developed by the French and consists of olive oil and 510 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 4: an egg. It's an emulsion. So calling anything that isn't 511 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 4: made that way mayonnaise, I think is a bit out there. Anyway, 512 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 4: whether it's whole egg or not, it should be labeled 513 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 4: imitation mayonnaise. 514 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just jumping back quickly. 515 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: I know we've got to let you go, but tif 516 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: do you remember you've had Mick Call on your show, right. 517 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. 518 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: This, but we were talking about, you know how you 519 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: were talking, David, about people who don't produce as much 520 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: dopamine as other people and so they've got to, you know, 521 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 2: take something to kind reached their normal or what is. 522 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: So we've had this guy in a bunch, his name's 523 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 2: mickol and his in recovery addict alcoholic. He talks about 524 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: this freely and openly, spent lots of time in the 525 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: Big House, you know, very interesting life blah blah blah. 526 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: And he told his story on this show and I'm 527 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: sure yours, tiff, where when he started drinking at twelve, right, 528 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: and the first thing he drank was port and he 529 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 2: said it was fucking disgusting. But the moment that I 530 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: started that he started to get drunk, he's like, oh 531 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: my god, life is good. And it's like, I think 532 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: he said something like, but the first time in my life, 533 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: I felt normal, Like the anxiety went away, all of 534 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: these symptoms in inverted commas went away. And then he 535 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 2: basically started drinking whenever and wherever he could at twelve, 536 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: not because he enjoyed the drinking, but because he enjoyed 537 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: how it made him feel, and it was like for 538 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: him an escape, you know. 539 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 4: So most addicts will give you that answer if you 540 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 4: ask them. Most addicts. If you say to an addict, 541 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: you know, why do you keep doing this when it 542 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 4: is causing you harm? And I'm talking about anything, whether 543 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 4: it's smoking or alcohol or opioids, yeah, and they will say, 544 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 4: I don't want to keep doing it, but I feel 545 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 4: normal when I do do it. You ask any smoker, 546 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 4: why do you smoke? You know it's doing terrible things, 547 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 4: as photos all over the box telling you all awful 548 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 4: things it's doing to you. Why do you smoke? And 549 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 4: they will say, I don't want to smoke, and I 550 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 4: know all that stuff, but the only way I can 551 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 4: feel normal is when I'm smoking, And that's exactly the 552 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 4: effect we're talking about, where where in order to get 553 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 4: the required dopamine hit, you have to be doing going 554 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 4: through an addictive behavior. So it's about feeling normal, and 555 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 4: that's really really hard to stop, really really hard to 556 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 4: ask someone to stop doing the one thing that makes 557 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 4: them feel normal. Now, alcohol is the most insidious of 558 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 4: them all, and we'll talk about it some other time 559 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 4: because it actually has a mechanism of action that impairs 560 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 4: your ability to feel normal for life. So even when 561 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 4: you stop drinking, which is something that most other drugs 562 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 4: don't do. But let's get into that some other time, 563 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 4: there's a bit of detail in it. 564 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, all right mate, We appreciate you will say goodbye. 565 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: Heare but as always fascinating and tif thank god you 566 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: had some calories before we started. 567 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 3: I know you're welcome.